INTERVIEW CLASSIC (10 YRS AGO): “X-Pac” Sean Waltman on whether WWE would be in good hands with Triple H in charge eventually, injury update

In this week’s Interview Classic episode from ten years ago (10-1-2015), PWTorch editor Wade Keller talked live with “X-Pac” Sean Waltman, an update on the scary injury he suffered this week, will WWE be in good hands with Triple H eventually, should wrestlers Sting’s age still wrestle, evaluating WWE’s ring style, and much more with live callers and email questions.

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where Wade Keller Interview is one of Pro Wrestling's newsmakers.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
This week I interviewed Sean x poc Waltman with some
fascinating key topics. One, would WWE, in his opinion, be
in good shape when Triple H took over for Vince
McMahon someday. Also an update on his scary injury that
he suffered that week and should wrestlers the age of
Sting still wrestle a little bit? We know he'd be
wrestling almost ten years later. Also, he also evaluated WWE's

(01:44):
ring style and put a wrestler's perspective on how it's
different than other styles, and much more with live callers
and email questions sprinkle in throughout. This originally livestreamed on
October first, and it is today's Wade Keller Pro Wrestling
Podcast ten years Ago Interview class for Saturday, October fourth,
twenty twenty five that post Radio. Welcome to the ep

(02:17):
W tors live cast. I am Wade Keller and this
is the live cast Interview Thursday format on Thursday October first, two.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Thousand and fifteen.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Thanks for making us part of your day, whether you're
listening to us live streaming at PW torchlivecast dot com
or listening to us on delay on one of any
options that you have out there, including iTunes and Stitcher
and other places. Interview Thursday is where we bring somebody
onto the program for an interview, and we've been doing

(02:49):
this every week, I think for either.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Four or five years now. I think four years.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
It started off as Interview Friday, and then we moved
to Thursday at the beginning of this year, early this year,
and today we are very pleased to be anticipating any
minute now. I just talked him on the phone. Sean
Waltman x POC, one of our favorite guests, one of
my favorite guests, are in the live cast, and I
know every time he is on the listeners are thrilled also,

(03:18):
So I just was talking to him on the phone.
He is recovering from a nasty injury, which I'll be
talking to him about momentarily and we'll get an update
on his condition and how he's feeling, and then from
there we'll open up the phone lines for you also
where you can call in and talk about whatever you

(03:39):
want to talk about with Sean, current events, his career,
all kinds of stuff. So I do want to remind
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All right again, pw Torch dot com slash go vip
is a place to go for that. All right, I
am about to bring on today's guest, Sean xpoc Waltman. Sean,
welcome back to the program. I finally saw your number

(04:01):
on the switchboard there. Thanks for taking time out to
talk to us today.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
It's pretty ready to leave me hanging on hold like
that all that time. Oh you're just babbling, you man.
It's kind of you.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
I'm used to Scott Hall and Jake Roberts, you know,
being upset with me at the beginning of shows. But
you you know, you're a friend. I've known you a
long time. I can't escape it, can I?

Speaker 5 (04:27):
No? No, never, never man.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Sean.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
First of all, thanks for coming on the show again.
For those who don't know, I've known Sean since I
think it was she was seventeen years old.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
What time did you a year older than me?

Speaker 5 (04:44):
Dude?

Speaker 4 (04:45):
I am yeah, don't remind me what what? What? What
year did you move to Minnesota?

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Isn't it wasn't it eighty eighty eight or or eighty nine? No,
it was eighty nine. It was eighty nine. It was
like that it was kind of like Minneapolis. I think
I came in like the middle of eighty nine or
something or no, that's no, because remember I came and
did ropers the first time and it was snowing like

(05:12):
like a s ob outside. Knows how I did that,
s ob thank you before.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
You're doing well. We'll see how that holds up.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Remember I borrowed Willie Wellington Wilkins yellow and black here
to speech take looking spandex Titan was shirtless, shirtless with
no tan and like one hundred and however many palms.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
I was, right, yes, yes, you're.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Oh it was yes, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
Yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
I'm just gonna say so you were I think at
that point I was eighteen and you were seventeen, and
I'd been doing the Torch for a year or two
when you arrived on the scene, and uh, yeah, I
started working indie shows and Heaven's stand out matches with
number of people the Wellington Wilkins pre usc shoot fight
of sorts not you know more more you you were?

Speaker 5 (06:11):
Yeah, that was that was a lot. There's an evidence
of that on YouTube somewhere. It's kind of a rough copy,
but some of it's pretty hard to watch.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
Man.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
Yes, it gives me PTSD slash bugs.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, I knew you were like a thousand million times
tougher than me already. You were a false skinny runt
like me, relative tall, you know, muscular wrestlers like Flex Luthor,
Lex Luthor, but or Rage and Red Tyler and Larry
the Butt your camera.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
Thin Red Man. He was a heck heck of a
journey man. He was a tough guy too, he was.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
I remember offering him a free copy of the Torture
Newsletter one time at Roper's and he looked at me
and most n.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
H guy.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Yeah, yeah, he was. He was. He was different.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
But he was one of those guys that they would bring.
They would bring that Ron Peters said in the boxing
promoter that did a ring would would bring to like
do jobs for the boxers, and he'd end up beating
the boxes. He was one of those guys. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, So but this is the thing I was gonna say,
is I knew you were way tougher than me just
from taking bumps in the ring and doing what you do.
I respect anybody steps into that ring and does that.
But when you got twisted in a pressol by Wellington Wilkins.
I mean that was that was insane. I mean, this
is he was. I don't know how to compare him

(07:41):
to Dean Malnco, I guess in terms of trying to
pick somebody who's a little bit more mainstream. But Wellington
seemed like a guy who probably would have done pretty
well in USC had he come along five ten years later.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Yeah, early in the early USC.

Speaker 6 (07:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
Uh and but I think and yeah, Lily Willly, I
just called him Willy. Well he was very statistic, and
you know, he was a shorter individual, so you know
he took he had that Napoleon complex. Yeah that so
many pretty tough guys actually have. And uh yeah, no,

(08:19):
I was that was a typical Sunday morning though. Actually yeah, so,
I mean it wasn't like I just you know, it
wasn't used to a couple hundred people watching you.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, twist it up well.

Speaker 6 (08:36):
Green sound like Stuhart's Dungeons, Yes exactly.

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We're going to UH take phone calls in a little bit.
I want to invite color participation and you can kind
of guide the topics we talk about.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
In today's show.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
For the color part of the show, the number to
call is six four six seven two one nine A
two eight. That's six four six seven two one.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Nine eight two eight.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Sean, you have been in the hospital this week. I
saw the periscope video, I saw the pictures on Twitter.
Been keeping up keeping up to date on how you're doing,
UH via Twitter for the most part, UH describe what
the heck happened, and also give people an update on
how you're doing today. I understand you're out of the hospital.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yeah, somehow hospital. And first I want to thank Nick
Foley's got just you gotta be one of the greatest
human meanings I'm a plan. I just love that guy
so much. And he put on his Facebook something about me,
and there's like over a thousand people like the time
too to write something nice or you know, share their

(10:14):
memories or whatever and get well wishes, and you know,
there's your few a holes on there, but at least
they took the time too.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
So I mean that's just really like you, especially when
you're sitting here with the injury like this, torn by
torn packing, torn pectorial tendon and uh, you know in
the compartment, in the compartment syndromes, which was what the

(10:46):
real reason I was in the hospital, uh for for
that many days. Yeah, you know, that's why it's it's
still it's it's hard for me to articulate it because
I didn't know what it was until they told me
that's what I had, you.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Know, A yeah, told you have something you've never heard of.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
Well, I wasn't really that scared, but you know, when
I finally actually looked it up, I was a little
bit taken back that, you know, well, another one of
those things that happened to me or actually could die yeah,
you know, but and it was just honestly, man, it

(11:33):
was I was teeming with Magnus, who was fantastic, by
the way, and I was working with two guys. I'm
not going to mention their names, because they were good
guys and they were solid, solid workers in there, and
you know, just I get the hot tag Wade. I

(11:55):
have a very simple formula, okay, and I still to
that formula because I work every week and I don't
have like a nine to five job. I go to
and then just work, you know, a couple of times
a month or you know what. You know what I'm
getting at. So I can't take any chances on you know,

(12:20):
get her out there when I got to go work
the next night, you know. So yeah, I mean, I
mean not that I can't take any chances, because there's
always a chance, especially because I still do pretty much
that I used to do almost so I keep it simple, man,
and I have things and if you ask anybody that's
worked with me in the last few years, like I

(12:40):
have this formula and it works excellent, and it's very simple,
and it's I don't understand how you can even screw
it up, that's how simple it is. And the one
guy wasn't there where he was supposed to be and
I was having faith that by the time I actually
he got there, he would be you know, when he's

(13:03):
still wasn't in the ring yet, And so I got
him with the clothesline instead of you know, him standing
up so I could hit him, you know, in that
safe spotter on the chest and upper you know, like
clavicle and stuff, and uh bamn, I hit him in
his head and it just blew my just I knew

(13:25):
right away what happened. My blue a gass getting the
ring a little bit, you know, I started tossing and
anybody knows me won't be surprised to get that one. Yeah,
and you know, but I finished the match, you know, Nick,
Actually I was like, man, I just finish that. I'm like,
I can't. I can only remember a few matches. Meant

(13:47):
that I never finished him. It was because I was
knocked out cold. I woke up in an ambulance. Yeah,
you know, so there was no thought about not finishing
the match. You know, it wasn't like me not finishing
the match. Well, it's gonna make things any better or worse.
It's hurt like hell. So yeah, I finished the match.

(14:09):
Uh said some words that I from the heart about magnus,
Why the hell he's not you know, in New York
making millions of dollars is beyond me? That type of
thing and what I got in the back and Looke
asked it, and everybody's looking at me, and I'm sure
they're going, what a hole? Like? You know, I mean,

(14:33):
because nobody can tell by looking at me exactly like
how severe my injury is or if that I was
even injured, right, you know, so I didn't understand what
at the locker room was, you know, looking at me

(14:54):
in a negative light at that point, trust me. So yeah,
but you know, I think people totally understand a little bit.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
What is your so your status now, I mean, what
is your Where does your physical conditions stand? And are
you gonna miss considerable time or are you gonna push.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
Your missing anything?

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Is that advisable?

Speaker 5 (15:21):
No?

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Well, I mean are you putting yourself at risk of
something much greater? Or you know, this get really bad
if you get back in the ring again.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
I mean that's I'm not I'm not.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
It's hard for me. I can't really answer that because
I don't I haven't been to the follow up.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
Well However, you know, I have obligations, and.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Your obligation, Sean is to stay alive for everybody.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
I mean, come on, Wade, I we all know, like
I mean, I've I've had and I've had that same
you know, said to me a hundred times already, you know,
and I'm well aware of it. And I also have
a financial responsibility as well, and you know, like I haven't.

(16:13):
I have a UK tow her coming up. That's a
huge part of my ear. So it's not like I
have the you know, the luxury like the person that's
lecturing me, not you, I'm saying, in the hospital that
has their nine to five job they can go to
every day and the guaranteed income, you know, so you know,
it's hard to hard for them to relate to me.

(16:35):
So I just kind of bear with him and let
them seear up them their gesture if it makes them feel.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Better the uh, the injury to stay. Did you see
the seth rolling Sting match weekend AFCA?

Speaker 5 (16:48):
I did not the whole I mean trying to the
whole thing, but I I didn't watch like like like
I couldn't tell you like every part of it.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
Put it that way, well, from what you saw.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
What was your impression? Uh?

Speaker 1 (17:03):
In terms of seth performance and at age fifty six?
What what Sting was you know, carried to do?

Speaker 8 (17:09):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (17:10):
In contrast to what Sting was able to do against Hunter?

Speaker 5 (17:18):
I don't know. And when I I mean, yeah, okay,
Stinger's six fifty six now or whatever he is, and
and okay, yeah he was carried or whatever. But man,
he actually looking at looking at that match, he actually
brought it. He tried too.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Yep, you know, I totally agree.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
I thought Sting.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
I think Sting tried, probably did too much to maybe
make up for That's where that's.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
That's kind of the point I was getting that. I
was gonna get that. But you know, it takes me
a year to get to the point that takes from
romo go in ten seconds. So yeah, I think it
was It wasn't it wasn't necessary, Like there was just
I think he was trying to I don't know if
it was his hamm or what. You know, it's easy

(18:11):
to question in hindsight, but maybe Seth didn't need to
get all this, you know, I say, Gi, you know
what in that you know particular match? Yeah, you know,
I mean there if you go one match without everything,
then like I think people will live. Yeah, well that's

(18:34):
hindsight thinking though, so it's kind of you know, maybe
a little bit uncert of Seth too. But you know,
in the same situation, Seohn Michaels would have just put
flop and flied and I made the people make a
bunch of noise. I think I would imagine, you know,
a major's finger. It was okay.

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Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, and you know the thing didn't come out of it, okay.
And you know he's fifty six years old trying to
keep up with a guy in his late twenties who's
in his prime and really.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Can go at full speed.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
And I wonder, I just I'm wondering if the Sting
injury and what we saw with Undertaker and his last
two Lessner matches is sending a signal that maybe it's
time for guys who are in their fifties at least
to not be not just asked to, but allowed to

(20:33):
put that put themselves on the line like that physically
like they have been. I just, I mean, I want
my first live wrestling show, Sean was in nineteen eighty one,
maybe eighty one, ver Gania in his fifties, well into
his fifties against Nick Bockwinkle, who I think was right
around I don't know, maybe fifty around then, and they
didn't you know it was Nick took bumps. He was
one of the best bump takers of all time. But

(20:54):
he did not take he didn't try to do the
types of stuff that Undertaker and Sting doing out there
is as a as a guy now who's been has
a ton of mileage on his body, just suffered an injury,
and now, dare I say, you know, you're into your
forties obviously, is there a point very much guys, Is
there a point where guys shouldn't be doing this or

(21:16):
allowed to do these types of physical trying matches at
with a mileage in the age that they're at.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
I'm never I definitely think that yes, but that the
thing is that the problem is the case. But you
can't just pay with that broad a bus strokes. You know,
everybody is so different, you know people people peak at
different times in their lives. Just you know, That's why

(21:43):
I think that we're almost policy that is a pretty
good like put it this way, man, I think there
were almost policy. Physical is a little bit too much sometimes,
you know, like on certain things like I'm not going
to go into it, but you know I did. They're
a little too and I know you can't be too safe,

(22:03):
but you know, a certain young guy with an incredible future,
uh you know, gets turned down because he's got a
slight tear in his you know, meniscus. There's something that's
not a big deal at all.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Right, Yeah, yeah, that's I agree.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
That can be too much. Yeah, that part that kind
of stuck too much. Now, protecting the older guys from
themselves I think is a good idea.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, yeah, so that I keep that in mind on
your UK tour. It's okay to phone it in a little,
That's what I'm saying, don't.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
All right, you phone to them?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Hey, you know what was it? Was it the last
time on the show that we were joking about how
this You were like, you're on your deathbed and this
could be the last interview you ever do. Was that
one or two interviews that go on the show?

Speaker 5 (22:59):
I remember?

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, So anyway, I.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Sort of feel like, yeah, it's just we joke about it. Yes, Yes,
It's like when I asked got a ball if he
was worried about, you know, falling off the way and
at WRESTLINGI a weekend. He's like, oh, I hadn't thought
about it to you brought it up banks waye.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
Yeah right, yeah, yes, thank thank you.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Yes, I gotta I gotta.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Take a brief break to hear from our sponsors.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Will be right back.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
We'll bring callers into the program, and I've certainly got
more things i want to talk to Sean about. So
uh hold tight, everybody as we break for just one
minute or so here as a listener, I'll the PW
tour all right. We're now back live with Sean Waltman,
best known as x Pac and also Lightning Kid back
in the day. We are going to go move to

(23:53):
phone calls now. If you want to get in line
on the phone, banks got a lot of people on hold,
but you can get in line at six four, six,
seven to one, nine to two eight. You can also
drop me an email live during the show here at
PW Torchlive cast at gmail dot com. Yesterday, Jim Valley
hosted the PW Torch Live Cast with Seattle radio host

(24:13):
Steve Meggs, who has is one of those mainstream radio
personalities who's had a chance to and has sought out
interviews with various WWE wrestlers, and he was on to
talk to Jim about what's going on in WWE with
the product and some behind the scenes notes on what
goes on with WWE talent when they come to town or

(24:35):
do phone interviews with a mainstream radio guy. It's an
interesting perspective. That is on the PW torchlivecast dot com
listing right under today's show, so check that out. A
lot of compliments on Twitter for my show Tuesday with
Jason Powell reviewing Raw and talking about the breaking news
mid show with the Raw ratings down to a two
point three this week. Check that out if you're looking
to hear us talk about what might be going on

(24:58):
with the ratings, how bad or not bad?

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Is it kind of.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Putting it in perspective in the twenty fifteen technology era
with YouTube and Hulu Plus and DVRs and that kind
of thing, And is this sky falling or not? And
what can be done to fix what is wrong? A
lot of that with callers and Jason to me.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Check that out. That was Tuesday show and.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Then tomorrow Bruce Mitchell and Travis Bryant host Live at
seven Eastern taking your calls, talking about the week in
wrestling and previewing a big weekend with the MSG special
on WWE Network Big Show against brock Lesner, and then
Sunday bound for Glory TNA's annual Big Show Sunday Night

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with a three way TNA World Title match. Full listing
and details and preview at PW torch dot com. Right now,
speaking of PW Torch, my final note before we go
back to Shawn and take calls. It is Bruce Mitchell
Month here at PW Torch. Not just brock Lesner Month,
but Bruce Mitchell Month. It was twenty five years ago
this month that Bruce became officially a Pro Wrestling Torch

(26:00):
newsletter columnist. He has done tremendous work that stands up historically,
and for those of you who are newer to the
Torch brand of wrestling coverage, we are going to be
publishing every day this month, from today through the twenty fifth,
one column from each year that Bruce has written for
The Torch last twenty five years. Today we put up

(26:20):
the first column he ever wrote. Tomorrow we put up
a nineteen ninety one column, one of his longest columns.
He wrote on the beginning of Rick Flair's run in
the WWF. I was just working on that today, getting
it ready for tomorrow and reading over it, and it
is a phenomenal column talking about that transition of Flair

(26:41):
from being the centerpiece of the NWA to being just
sort of not just another guy. But anyway, I'll let
you read what Bruce had to say about how Flair
was portrayed in the WWF during his relatively brief run
in that company. And this was before the sixty minute
Row rumble Win that would come later nating column. Check
that out Friday at PW Torch dot com and come

(27:04):
back every day for a new column. We're marching through
the twenty five years of Bruce collumns, just picking one
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All right, Shawn Walt is our guest, and we're going
to go to the phone lines here and we're going

(27:25):
to begin with area code six one six six one six.
Thanks for calling and holding please state your name of
the city you're calling from.

Speaker 10 (27:32):
This is Eric co grant Rap. But tey, how you
guys are doing today?

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Hanging in there?

Speaker 4 (27:36):
What have you got for here?

Speaker 10 (27:38):
I just want to hear about Sean's, Shawn's Global Wrestling Federation,
A's and Arendal's matches, like, like, how was this? How
is the wrestling as a supportatory? I mean Arendo's matches on?
Can I find them to watch him anywhere?

Speaker 11 (27:50):
And that's all I got?

Speaker 7 (27:51):
Thanks?

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Thanks Eric, Eric, Oh, just right to it. Sean, you
get asked every time you're on the show about Global Force,
our Global Force, Global Wrestling Federation, Joe Peatsinos group on
esp Yen Sportatorium A building I really wish I had
a chance to see us, to visit as a fan
or a reporter during the heyday in the eighties. It's
probably the building I would drop myself into the middle
of uh if I could pick one building. I mean,

(28:13):
there's a lot to choose from, but having watched that
myself in syndication the mid eighties, would be really special
to go get in the middle, you know, just sit
in the crowd for a freebird On Eric match talk
about what Eric had had to say there, oh, you
know what, let me put you back on. I put
you on mute. Well I was doing the plugs. Now
you're back on, John, So go ahead and sorry about that.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
Okay, you missed out on the Sportatorium. I thought you
maybe at least got to see it towards your end.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
No, I did.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Wow. What an amazing place, man, I mean, yeah, you
really missed out, Wade. I don't know how you missed
out on.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
That, man, Thanks for being with us.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Sad for you, yash, No, seriously, I tell you what.
You know, I watched the same stuff everybody else watched
that as my And when I found out I was
gonna be able to go around not only you know,
just be able to get to see the sport of Toyments,

(29:10):
but performing there and and it was gonna be on
ESPN every day. Wow, you know that was the first
big break. You know, that was the end. You know.
I just remember having butterflies and the whole, you know,
nervous as hell. Uh walking down to the ring the

(29:32):
first time, you know, I didn't. I was so nervous.
I didn't even you know, realize that ring was concrete,
so basically to look at those matches now. You know,
I go back and look at those matches now, But
for a long time I didn't want to because you
know the way I looked. I looked, so you know,
you know, looking like a little kid I here. Just

(29:55):
you know, for all those years I was in such
a hurry to grow up. I was in you met
me for sure, and well hell ever since I can
ever remember, I wasn't too big of a hurry to
grow up. But you know, so now I go back
and look at those wade and I look at them
with fondness, and it doesn't bother me that I look

(30:16):
like that. That's what I looked like back.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
Then, you know, Yeah, that's and it was some good man.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
And I'm looking at it waiting, and I'm going, damn,
that's where I could do that. You know, I just
was wrestling. I'm wrestling guys, like throwing them around, and
and I'm like, oh my god, I wouldn't. I don't
even know if I could do that now, Like man,
sometimes you know, like things get rusty, certain things. There's

(30:46):
there's some moves that I just never used anymore. You know.
Once I got the words for events and just weren't
going to.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Use quite like what.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
Like you know, certain hip throws and judo throws and
certain like cats techniques things like that. That is. Yeah,
you know, I kind of was self indulging really probably
when I was doing that, but other people liked it too.
But it's just it's not as condusive to get an

(31:16):
instant call reaction, you know, like, so you've got to
know where to put that stuff. Yeah, I talked about
that on when I did the clean version of Stege podcast.

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some of the kind of the karate poses, you know,
like the kind of karate poses early in your career too,
and that you play that up as a baby face,

(32:11):
but especially as a heel. I think that was something
that you would go.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
Well, that's how you get it over. You do it
as a heel first, remember you see babyface. Yeah, that's
I mean. I try to tell people because you're he like,
you got to get your you know, your stuff in
during your heat. And you know, it's kind of like
basically what everybody's being told now, is it kind of
what they've been doing forever coming up with like four

(32:36):
or five things or not coming up with because actually
we all most of us had dozens and dozens of things.
It's narrowing it down to the best fiber you know,
four or five. Yeah, that that you're going to make
your trademark stuff. Yeah yeah, but you know, Steve was
asking me about changing that thing and all that or

(32:58):
not mean but Matt Matt thing, and I'm just like, yeah, no,
you know, I would always still do it when I
work with events, but I just did it in stage.
It little little bursts and I'd always give them the
people in the payoffs instead of doing two minutes of
matt work and ended up in the standoffs, Like yeah,
that might be a pop at PWG, but not necessarily

(33:27):
you know, and a mainstream crowd that might just you know,
be coming because it's a ww brand or whatever. So
what do you what do you mind pull that and
still try to get it in but you know, slip
it in under the radar.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Well, what do you kind of follow up on what
you're just saying? What do you think about the style
in general broadly of the progressing industry today, not just
WWF or WWE, but also you know, for sure w
W what are your thoughts on the style and what
Seth Rollins and Kevin Owens and and even what John
Seen has done this year from what you've seen keeping
up with the young guys and that approach, and then

(34:04):
also you know what you see out on the indie scene,
and you know you mentioned PWG two, Like what standing
here in twenty fifteen, being a student of the game
and having been part of so many eras, what's your
take on pro and con on today's wrestling style, Especially
because just to compound my long question here, Sean you
were in the WWF in the nineties when the term

(34:27):
WWF style kind of came into vogue, and there was
not an indoctrin nation, so to speak, but kind of
an orientation probably a better word with talent when they'd
commit saying you know, this is how we do things.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Then you know, Chris Jericho was this.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
World traveled worker and was very confident that he was
all that, and he got to WWF and kind of
had an attitude early on and then later admitted in
his book he had a lot to learn. And there
was a lot about that WWS style that made a
lot of sense. So I know it's something that you've
talked about and thought about.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
What's your take?

Speaker 5 (35:01):
My friends and I we okay, some of okay, people
will call it w W w W style, but we like
to call it Main Events style is like we did
it w c W. It works everywhere. I don't care
where you go. Wait, you should go to Arena Mexico
and you go to work there. You know, you might

(35:23):
have to add the moves that that they're used to,
but it's the style and the psychology, you know, aspect
of it, and the timing of when when you know
of doing certain things and selling certain things. And you
know that was the part that was the little part
that that Chris, you know, had difficulty adjusting to. But

(35:44):
and so you know, Vince had me help him out
with that, and so that expedited it. But honestly, you know,
Chris is one of those special guys that excuse me
for saying I'm so many times, but has in place
of f Moms.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Sarah.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
So Chris will eventually got it. I just helped him,
you know, I speed up the process, that's all. Yeah,
it was just hard. It was just hard for him.
And I understand that, you know, I mean, we all
have egos in this industry. You know.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Well, he got praised so much, you know, so much
for his work, got to WWF and then I think
he thought he was going to show you guys how
it's done. And and and again, I mean I'm not
I'm picking on It's just he's written about it. You know,
it's got in public, so I feel like it's certainly
for a game to talk about. And and he he adjusted.
So how do you think today's indie talent that comes
from Ring of Honor p w G. The Shield Kevin

(36:42):
Owens Neville. Eventually Sammy's a again, what do you think
of the style that they're bringing to w W ME
and how have they been adjusting their style or how
has w W been adjusting to them? And do you
think it's been a good thing, a good a good compromise.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
I mean, yeah, it's been great. And I don't I mean,
you know when I say and I say, I'll say
the me that style. But there is like these subs,
substyles that will work. Like like I said, it'll work
with anything you know, and you'll go you can go
out there and people won't even realize you're not working

(37:17):
their traditional style as long as you're doing their traditional
moves in the match. You know, I might be going
off into the leed chaire a little bit, but pull
me back in L Sorry.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Well yeah, just like, what what's something that you would
do different today about the in terms of what you
see and let's just focus on w DOT I what's
something you would do different?

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Like what if if you were an agent or the age.
You know, a couple of the agents or producers excuse me,
came to you or some of the top guys came
to you for private conversation. You know, what would you
do different? What kind of observations would you make an
add Because you're kind of on the outside looking in,
you're not in the you know, daily weekly cauldron of
just going through the motions, you can kind of take

(38:02):
that veteran's eye from a distance and provide it from perspective.
What what would you change about what you see today?

Speaker 5 (38:11):
Guys? Me, I would love I would love for guys
to get the most out of, you know, everything they're doing.
Like it's like fuel efficiency in a car, uh right,
all the views Like Cesaro for an example, one time,

(38:33):
and he was having a hell of a match and
he does this thing on the floor right where it
runs around, and he comes and he runs and hits
the guy with the lifter, and the lifter that the
lifter is what they call, uh, one of those European uppercuts.
So he'll run and do that spot and the people
will go crazy and then like us see him try

(38:53):
to like uh, you know, want to kind of fire out,
but kind of not like now, you know, not quite
ready to let it all hang out, like I don't know,
scared maybe that people won't come with him or whatever.
But you know, Scott and I pulled him the side.
I like, man, let him, let him in, let the

(39:14):
people in right there, Like, you gotta let him in,
like and you'll get so much more on everything you do.
And I know it sounds so like it's just the
old man talking. I see what we call him, lucha
Lucha dragon or no on w W right yea, yeah,

(39:40):
And who the hell was it they were working with?
It was on Raw. It was it was where Sin
Carr went up for a springboard and face ended up
slipping and face playing, and it was just like everything
was so rushed, was so lush. Yeah, like I couldn't

(40:01):
have a time, Like the people didn't have a chance
to react to it. And it was awesome stunts, you know,
And you can do everything quick and still take your time.
I don't know if that makes sense, but it's true. Yeah,
you know what you do, you do quick, but don't rush.
I mean, you've got to stay in the moment. That

(40:23):
kid Patrick from Tough Enough, he was on the show
that I that I got hurt. What a natural, What
a natural that kid is he already is in the moment.
Can stay in the moment out there and fear the
people and you know, is relaxed, and the kid's money
wasn't That wasn't the Yeah, No, he's money. And and

(40:45):
you know what he tells me after the like I'm
having I'm talking to him, you know, my arms just
selling me, but I'm just dying with them and trying
to find some things out, you know, and ask and
he's like, hey, I really like to I really appreciate it,
but I have to go to help tayror ring down.
And I was just like, wow, there comes from you know,

(41:10):
being on national TV on on this you know show
that quite a few people watched, and comes back here
and still not to get to help terror ring down.
I'm like, that's kind of impressive to me.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, you know, and.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
He's got more going on than you know, most of
the lofer room that wasn't probably help.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yeah.

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Speaker 1 (42:10):
Well, you you mentioned Magnus earlier too, what Nick Aldus
known as Magnus and TNA of course now in Global
Force Wrestling. From the day he walked out on an impact,
I thought, you know, this guy has some X factors
that can never be taken away, but you.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Know, more to prove.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
And you know, he got mad at me a couple
of years ago because I had reported from you know,
some more than multiple sources in the locker room and
it kind of a different faction of locker room that
felt like a little bit of his push had gone
to his head, or that he wasn't taking advice in
the way that people had hoped, and different things like that.
And I think he just came away from his run

(42:50):
in TNA just getting better all the time. And I
look at him and I don't understand why he's not.
I think he's part of a solution to a problem
that WWE has right now, and I don't understand why
he's not making a lot more money and being seen
in front of a lot more people right now. What
what jumped out to you and what is his upside?

Speaker 5 (43:13):
Well, I'm not okay. He looks great, he's excellent in
the ring, and he can talk. Yes, he's fairlyismatic as well.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
Yeah, he.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Has kind of an old school swagger to him. It's
actually what I wrotebout it this week's prosing Torchs newsletter.
It just it was kind of the word of the
week for me. When I when I watch RAW, I
see so many guys who look kind of beaten down
by the system or worried about walking exactly on a
dotted line and standing on the X and saying what
they're told to say and that they've memorized they don't

(43:56):
want to screw up, and then they leave on their queue.
And you've got characters like seth Rawlins being talked down
to like a ten year old who wasn't paying attention
at batting practice by the authority. And I don't I
don't see enough guys on camera. I don't even think
bray Wyatt exhibits this enough, although he tries, which is
swagger that And I'm reading Bob Becklin's book right now
when he talks about all these old school guys who

(44:18):
were hard to control. You know, the promoters were a
tough tough time controlling them and WWE And I understand
Sean wanting if you're running a company to not have
to deal with a bunch of headaches. But I want
guys who walk on to television and don't act like
scared employees who are worried about having a pump guest
real lie, they say the wrong thing and you just
don't get enough yes.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
And I you know, I'm not the one that has
to deal with talent right now, so it's easier for
me to say. But you know, one of my dear
friends is in the higher you know, I'm not talking
about Hunter but higher up spot and my producer, but
in charge of like maybe some down now and things

(45:01):
like that. And you mentioned to me like so and
so was acting like a mark and being you know,
you know, be with Donna. And I'm like, I'm right,
And then he told me what the person said, and
I'm like, are you listening to yourself right now? You
remember how we used to be, Like I'm like, I'll

(45:25):
take a locker room full marks for themselves. And people
that are painting in the ass that can draw me
some money any day of the week then rather than
have an orderly, uh you know, North Korean style life room.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
I've always said that, give me all your miss It's like, Paul,
it's like, hey, you know, don't give me all the oh,
all the mix, all the ones that don't fit me.
With a better special. You know, I'll take all those guys.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I want to get back to phone calls here, but
I want to put you on the spot. Name three
or four guys who are out there, regardless of age
or contract status, that you think it's a no brainer.
Would inject some things into the w w E main
roster TV product right now that would enhance some weaknesses

(46:21):
in the.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
Jeez, man, come on, lade, what at least give me
a commercial break mid night? At least they give them
a commercial I think.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
I think that shows a little more produced than you're doing.
I think they get more than a commercial break to
come up with their jokes. But I know what you mean. Well, here,
think about it, and let's take a couple of calls
and we'll come back to it.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
Okay, Okay, yeah, I mean it's a it's a it's
a it's a good question. It's just you know how
my brain works.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yeah, yeah, no, I don'itely all right, Let's go to
a seven three two VP Express caller. Go ahead, state
your name and where you're calling from. Seven three Hello, yes, yep,
go ahead, Scott, No, that was me, way oh seven
three two?

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Are you there? Seven three two? Okay?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Well, I thought he was can call the show, and
he said he wanted if I just hung up on you,
that was you. All right, let's go to another call here,
three or five. We'll go to next three or five things,
or onlyly state your name in the city.

Speaker 11 (47:25):
Or calling from Hey guys, J from Miami.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
Hey DJ Miamione said three ye oh five? What's up?
Three o five?

Speaker 11 (47:34):
What's going on? I got two questions. The first one
is I don't know. I don't want to blow up
your spot. But at about a four to twenty question,
go ahead, man, okay. I thought we on Twitter, and
then I see sometimes you tweet she would choose and
other stuff. Does any promoters ever say or see that
and want a drug tissue right away? Or does say

(47:57):
I'll do something or I'm just curious to speaking.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Third fair question.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I love Sean's reaction. Sean.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
How many times Okay, what percentage of shows in the
last ten years that you've done if you've shown up having.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
Smoked, having smoked that day?

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, before going to the show, every one. Okay, I'm
just checking.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
Doesn't mean I'm showing up the compaired to work, right, No.
I think that's where a lot of people are are
like ignorant to the uh you know, to the issue,
and you know, they don't they think, oh, you know,
of course I'm drugged or you know, come on. That's
like this guy, Ricky O. And I'm not afraid to

(48:45):
name his name because he's a piece of cap. Uh. Well,
I was pulling half pulling his spot up about having him,
you know, running crappy shows and you know, sending them
story to the t m Z and all this. He's like, well,
I should tell everybody what you do before and after
the shows. And I just started laughing. I'm like, like,

(49:08):
smoke pod, that what you can say, you know, but
uh now I wouldn't, you know, I won't be getting
them in the ring with people and nebraated, Uh I
don't even drive, and debraated the excuse my for coughing.
I don't have a cough button here Wade. But uh,

(49:30):
if anybody, if there's a promoter that has an issue
with with that about me, they just haven't booked me
or don't book me.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Yeah, yeah, dja anything else.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (49:42):
My second thing is, I know you're still uh close
to Triple h and at Dusty's wedding. At Dusty's wake,
was trying to go over there and asking him why
am I not in the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 5 (49:53):
Why am I not coming back?

Speaker 11 (49:54):
And he told her f off and get away from me.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
I don't know, I don't think, don't know. No, you're
doing so good with that first question, trying to show.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
China showed up at Dusty's wake and there was something
a brief interaction outside and then it was but it
was blown away out of proportion.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Is that is that is?

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Or or where was when when was the last time
that China cross paths with Hunter in person?

Speaker 5 (50:24):
Something happened that Brody Piper? Oh, that's yeah, that was
It's already been talked about, so you know, it's not
really something that I mean, it's already out there, that's
what it was, right, And she didn't even know him,
you know, she maybe met him a few times. All right, well,

(50:46):
I don't want to get on, don't.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
I don't either.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Let's move on.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I'm talk talk right over you talking about that. I
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stay your name it where you're calling from?

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Good reel from Georgia, Hedrel.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
What have you got for Sean Wellman?

Speaker 7 (51:42):
Okay, I got a question on two questions. My first question, Sewn,
what would you tell a new wrestler who's interested in
going to the WWE. What would you tell them that
they were if they say, what do I need to know?
If I'm trying to get a long run into w
W what would I need to do or how would

(52:04):
I go there and get myself over? That's my first question.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
And tell us number two, doll and then we'll go
to Sean.

Speaker 7 (52:10):
Okay, My second question is who do you feel that
the w W should try to put push a little
bit and put some burn behind to see if that
would help the product today?

Speaker 3 (52:25):
All right, thanks, yep, gotcha.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
I'm almost afraid to answer that because then they'll do
the opposite.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Why would they do the opposite?

Speaker 5 (52:33):
Seriously, I just I'm kind of being sarcasted, kind of
ribbing on the square.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
I feel like that way when I say stuff sometimes,
but I don't I would hope that wouldn't be the
case with you.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
No, yeah, no it's not. I'm just being certain.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Is there are a.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Couple of people you think could use or you know
would would benefit it would benefit w W E give
a little bit more serious push too.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
Yes, well, Ciz was one of them that like they
just keep looking like they're gonna, you know, go with them,
and they pull the reins back, and it's just I mean,
he's not the like, you know, the second coming you
know or whatever. You know. I don't know if there

(53:17):
is that that guy's there right now.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
Very well, maybe it's hard to I don't know, man, Like,
it's hard to really because they're really giving a lot
of guys some chances right now and they're you know,
there's a lot it's it's causing a little bit of
a stir just because like you know, some many people
with tenure there like feel like, hey, you know, I'm

(53:42):
this tenure and you know, that's how it works around here,
and that is how it works. But maybe that's not
how it should work, or it should to a degree
as long as you bring something to the table.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean I think when ratings are
going up and you're getting pushed, then that you shouldn't
be displaced.

Speaker 5 (54:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Bob Eckla was writing about that with Superstar Billy Graham
and how Billy Graham's like, wait a second, I'm drawing.
I'm you know, we're doing great business and you're taking
the belt off of me and giving it to this
unknown guy from Princeton. But when you're not drawn, you know,
ratings or whatever. I mean, it's it's hard to make
that argument that some fresh blood wouldn't be a good thing.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
Yeah, but there. But the thing is is then there's
some fresh blood there.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
Really, I mean in my opinion and my I mean,
it's how they're possess the other guys, the other guys
out there, like on the market, are kind of, you know,
doing other things right now themselves, you know, young books,
dipping wristows, uh, you know, moves. I like the big moves. Yep, yep,

(54:46):
you know I always did so the first time I
met the guy, you know, well, yeah, I don't know
what the story is with him.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
There's no there's no problem that w W has right
now that the ratings are a result that the the
dropping ratings are a result of that that will be
fixed by bringing young talent in and having them be
positioned and treated in the same context that the current
young talent are. It a lot of it, I think,
I think, I would assert has to do with what

(55:14):
we talked about earlier and the overly corporate portrayal of
things and not promoting new stars as second comings, being
promoters not presenters, and and and just yeah, not. It's
so much about the brand now instead of the wrestlers.
And I think it's hard to get wrestlers over as
draws when the people in charge seem so obsessed with

(55:37):
the brand. And look at we're gonna have a month
of pink again. And I'm all for charity work, but
I'm not for charity work that puts over the top
executives and the brand and takes the eye off promoting,
you know, more than just three or four guys at
a time on top.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
Sure, No, I'm with you. I understand where you're coming
from on that. Man, I had this, I had this,
I saw it in my head. Man, and then you
were ran one for too long and now I lost
it and I tell your fault it happened. But you
know the first part of this question, rate, what do

(56:12):
you what advice for our guys to like, Okay, number one,
look in the mirror. If you're not in shape, get
in shape, Like that's the first flicking thing. You know,
some guys like genetics wise, you know they're they're you know,
some of the more gifted than others. There's going to
be your bigger guys that aren't going to be able

(56:32):
to you know, look the same as you know you're
some more guys, But get in shape. You know, you've
got to do the work. Man. You can't just do
the you know, pretend to be a wrestler like I'm
going to do you know all the things that ends up. No,
it's all the work that comes along with it. Like like,

(56:54):
if you're not going to do that, just like stay home. Honestly, seriously,
I don't mean sound harsh, but you know, I shoot
way too many guys in the ring now are being
put in the ring that I have absolutely no business
being in there, just from the standpoint of how they look, right,

(57:16):
And I know that coming from me, that's kind of
rich just because of you know, I was just getting
a little kid. But are you talking indie scene or
I think I think I brought it in other ways?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
You know, are you talking indie scene or main roster
of WWDN. Right, That's what I was trying to clarify. Yeah, yeah,
of course, I mean I've that's always been the case.
Or there's talented guys who are aren't clearly aren't willing
to put in the time to look their best, whatever
that best is. And it's not about jacking yourself up
on steroids. It's about looking fit, looking like an athlete.

Speaker 5 (57:50):
No. And you know, like a month ago, I'm in
this one match and you know, I'm not going to
name names again because I don't want to be a jerk. Uh,
but you know this guy is bringing them in and
he's like their manager or whatever and talking about how
good the workers they are. And you know, I remember
the one kid from I'd met him before, and you know,

(58:13):
he's a smaller guy like like me, but you know,
just put his gear on him. He's like skiing and
is I got this huge mouth and dop and his
partners like, you know, looks like just just hell, I'm sorry,
I don't and now and then and it wasn't so

(58:33):
much that, but they screw everything up in the ring
and it's just like, come on, guys.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Buddy Rose was a phenomenal talent, a phenomenal worker and
in his time, and yeah he got out of shape
over time.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
But if somebody, if you have others, he made it.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
Through that camp though, man, and that if he made
it through that burning down the school. I don't I'm
sorry I interrupted you here a stuff like here, hell,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Well, my my only point, that my only point I
was getting to, and it's the point I made when
I was first impressed with Magnus when I saw him.
It's like there's a lot of things just from looking
at him walk out there that he has that ninety
five percent of people who enter this industry can't work hard,
and there's nothing there's no work they can put in
at the gym or on the mic or in the
ring that will make up for what nick all this

(59:20):
has going for him just walking out there. But he
still had to do other work. He had to get
better on the mic, and he had to learn how
to be a good worker, obviously, But when you don't
have the genetics, you need to make up for that
by working your ass off. And Buddy Rose I was
bringing up is an example of somebody who did that.
He didn't have the genetic gifts, he had the muffin top,
but he worked his ass off in was a really

(59:43):
good athlete and absolutely yep and amazing. He was able
to do amazing things. But so if you don't look
the part if you have any hope, if you want
any hope to make it into the business, you need
to be extremely above average in every other area to
make up for it, because it is a cause medic business.

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
He was one of the guys that Kurt Hennig always
referred to whenever he invoked Buddy Rose's name quite often. Yeah,
when he was dropping knowledge on me, Wade. Wow, So
that has to tell you something you know about Buddy
Rose right there? Yeah, just amazing. Uh. When I got
to talk to him, you know, and you know he

(01:00:23):
told me at Kurt you know, had he said a
lot of great things about young and got to talk.
It was just like wow, man, you know, you know,
of course Buddy had you know, a reputation personal like
that at different times as I but you know, so
having a lot of us I know that was terrible English,
but uh, but you know, I mean just he's a

(01:00:47):
good guy and just what a phenomenal like just amazing talent.
I got to see him come to Florida, Wade. Yeah,
and like he worked with Billie Jack and he worked
with the floor in Portland. I didn't realize, Yeah, but
he worked all kinds of guys and you know he would.
He was the first guy I should take like Ray

(01:01:09):
Stevens style bumps.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
Yeah, besides Rick, besides Slayer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Ray Stevens and Nick Bockwinkel were two just of the
my favorite bump takers.

Speaker 13 (01:01:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I told Steve Boston initial once that his flat back
bump style in his w W Stunning Steve Days reminded
me of the speed and force that Nick took those
flat back bumps with when he was in there as
a heel, just selling his ass off for the baby faces.
And that's a high compliment. I think Nick was just
that's one of I mean, Nick was good a lot
of things, but those bumps were amazing, and he and Ray,

(01:01:41):
I mean it just were premium, premium bump takers in
the seventies, early eighties.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Yeah, und I I was just I ever get to
know Nick, you know, and you know people will always
say if you asked him what time it is, he'll
tell you how the watch. I'll listen to Nick boxlink
tell me how to build a watch EE Day of
the week player, Yeah week man? Yeah.

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Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
All right, let's go back to the phone lines here.
We'll go to seven seven oh next. Please state your
name and where you're calling from.

Speaker 15 (01:02:53):
Hey Jimmy from Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Hey Jimmy, thanks for calling. What have you got for
shun Walman Jeremy?

Speaker 15 (01:02:58):
Hey Sean, Hey Man. I got a question. Hear it
all the time with the nWo and the Generation X,
but let me ask you a question. What do you
think what was your most special moment out of the two.
You're one of the very few people who got to
join both original groups, and how do.

Speaker 7 (01:03:11):
You feel about that?

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
What was my special moment in each group or just like.

Speaker 15 (01:03:17):
Overall moment you're defining moment for both groups?

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
My defining moment I think was when and you know,
I have mixed feelings about this, but it was something
that I needed to do. At the time, I was
disrespectful of how I did it. But oh well, I
think when I when I when I found out I

(01:03:43):
was going to be in the six man tag but
you know, uh, Flair and Roddy and uh and that
we're trying to have Hulk instead of me, And I
lit a fire under my ass and and so I
went out and I started cutting. Those were the real
original pipe bomb promos. They might not have been smooth,

(01:04:05):
but they were actually legit. Nobody knew I was going
to go out there and do it, and I just
you know, hit right between the eyes like like I said.
They might not have been pretty, but they were to
shoot and leading into the sixth man that that we
had when Flaire's returned, Flair, Roddy and Kevin Green versus Scott,

(01:04:28):
Kevin and I when I basically got to show, in
my opinion, why is the grace so and I had
to I had to take my respect way that nobody
was given it. It's not you know, it is kind
of the job of the old guys to hold on
to their spot and hold the young guys down, and
it's our job to put the old It's well not

(01:04:49):
I'm an old guy. Now, it's some young guys job
to put me out the pasture, you know, to to
put me out of my misery. That's kind of the
law to junkle it is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
That's the that's the the catch twenty two is in
WDWE especially, is how far can you go taking what
you want without looking like you're being like you're guilty
of insubordination and human resources comes to you for a
chat to take off on what they did on Rod
this week, or you know, management says, oh, this guy's

(01:05:20):
got a big head, and and you end up getting,
you know, pushed down and punished. It's so I can
It's just such a minefield of politics to figure out
when that is obviously what you need to do is
be as good as Kevin Owens or c I'm punk
Er Daniel Bryan on the mic and in the ring
in order to even begin to do that. But you know,

(01:05:40):
and if you don't have the confidence that you have
it like you did at that time when you cut
that promo and and and and staked out your territory
and fought for it. Then then then you probably shouldn't
be doing it. But if you are that good, don't
complain if you haven't done it, of course, you know. Anyway,
I could go off on tucks on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
That, but yeah, were you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
What did did it a little bit giving your relationship
with Roddy Piper that he was on that side of
the politics.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
No, because I didn't take it personal with Roddy. Yeah,
it wasn't like I you know, it was just like
I was on and remind you, I got stirred up
by some of the guys, you know. Yeah, you know,
Scotty Starner wasn't afraid to stir me up and you know,
get me going on. So it's kind of like when

(01:06:27):
we did the Horseman's skit, you know, ye, that whole thing.
But I forget what I was going to say now wait,
help me out here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
I'm not sure what you were gonna say me.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
No, but yeah, I asked the question because I'm just
going back.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
To Jimmy's original question about your defining moments in n
W O and d X, or going back to the
Piper topic.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
Never mind, let's just move ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
All right, Jimmy, Thanks for calling. Any follow up or
anything before.

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
Let you go hell or if Jimmy remembers where I
was having with that, please help me out, buddy.

Speaker 15 (01:07:06):
He was heading with the four Horsemen skit. How you
had to take it? You had to be disrespectful.

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
Well, yeah, I mean and I and it was very disrespectful. Oh,
I know. It was about rioting. No, I didn't, like
I always tried, like I always just felt really like
I just had this love Forarati no matter what, Like
he was just that guy. Like I'm not just saying

(01:07:33):
that because he passed either, you know, like because even
though we were on the opposite end of the tracks
at times, like you know, he always had like like
a real gentle nature about him. Like I never seen
him really, I've never seen him be an a hold anybody,
you know. So it was hard to be mad at

(01:07:54):
him or hard to so yeah, maybe I did a
little bit guilty, especially later on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
All right, I have a question before we'll go back
to calls people.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
This was put out on Monday after Raw on WWW
Network the NXT panel discussion. You know, Triple H having
to choose his words carefully as anybody in his spot
would for so many different reasons, but a lot of
people coming away from watching NXT NXT take over seeing
how Sasha Banks and the divas are portrayed on NXT
compared to the dumbed down version that we see on RAW.

(01:08:26):
We're seeing ratings go down now to you know, two
point three this week, Sean, I mean, and I know
there's DVR come on. Yeah, two point four three weeks
in a row, and then it rounded up to two
point five. But basically two point four something three weeks
in a row, two point three to three this week,
so I rounds down to two point three. I mean,
a big drop, way sharper of a drop off than

(01:08:46):
last year and the year before and the year before.
Since Raw went to three hours, it's more than double
on average the drop off in September compared to August.
And DVRs were not invented in the last eleven months,
nor was so what it's kind of a two part question.
But ratings are down, and they're they're they're they're related
to each other with ratings being down and people being

(01:09:08):
really frustrated with a lot of things that they're seeing
on WWB television lately, and Triple H being the head
of a group of people in NXT whose approach to
promoting and presenting wrestling really lines up with what I
think is the best way to do it. There's many

(01:09:30):
ways to do it well, but I think there are
things that NXT does it nobody else does that I
think are really smart. How much of what NXT does
well that people really like is Triple H versus Triple
H getting to assemble his own team that he believes
in who are kind of executing a vision with Triple
him and being somewhat hands off other than having picked

(01:09:52):
them because he respects them.

Speaker 5 (01:09:56):
It's not either one. It's more bot Yeah, well explain,
because any good any good leader knows how to assemble
an excellent team underneath them and how to delegate and
have the ability to delegate, like you know what I mean.
And that's how I see that situation from my point
of view.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
But either way, Triple H gets credit. It seems like
he What I'm saying is Hunter Paul deserves credit for
what people love about NXT. My the reason I phrase
a question that we because somebody asked me this and
I thought it was a really interesting question. Is if
Triple H was given more power and Vincent Maahon step
back for a little bit to recharge, you know, like
that'll ever happen. But you know what I'm saying, I

(01:10:37):
don't know that Triple H with with Ed Coski and
the you know, just the exactly the whole team that
people are writing wrong. I'm not pointing fingers, because I
know it's tough when their job is to write for Vince,
to make Vince happy. But I don't know that all
the things at NXT that people love would translate if
Triple Ah just was given more power and raw. I
think there's a whole team of people that Triple Ah
just put together at NXT who would almost have to

(01:10:58):
come with him. If you were looking for a revolution
of sorts of of raw, of of raw to start
resembling what people love about NXT.

Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
Of course it would. But that I mean yeah, and
that's you know traditionally, then what happens like when when
you know, the changing of the guard occurs, you know,
whether like when Okay Dusty comes in books or Bill
Watts or this guy, you know, they bring the guys
at they're come you know that their little team, you know, yeah,

(01:11:34):
that's that's exactly how how that would work. You know,
it wouldn't be just you know, no, it's the the whole,
you know, every little cog in that wheel. Is that
how you is that the right way?

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
Is uh, it's very important, and he knows that, and
he's really really mindful of making sure everybody knows that.
You know, He's just really good about like acknowledging people's
you know, contributions and accomplishments and that you know, giving

(01:12:20):
them a thumbs up pad and the ass that type
of thing.

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You know, you don't have to wait for the way
Keller Pro Wrestling post show to find out what I.

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Check it out pw torch dot com your first stop
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(01:13:25):
known Paul forever. He's just a little bit older than you,
but you have a little bit more experience than him.
And I think you see him as a peer, not
you know, a superior or a subordinate. I mean, you're
just your guys are kind of equals. And he respects
your knowledge and you respect what you know the not
the experience he's had. A are and this is I mean,
it's putting you on the spot. I but I expect

(01:13:45):
an honest answer because I think it'll be a good answer.
Are you Are you impressed and confident with what Triple
H has done with the power that he's been given
in by Vince McMahon on all fronts? And and are
you I don't know the words, not surprised, but I
guess are are you kind of proud of what Triple
H has done with the power and influence and slack

(01:14:12):
that he's been given to kind of do his own
thing and develop as a wrestling mind who twenty years ago,
you know, people went to predict it. He ended up
being the you know, second, third, fourth most powerful person
in this industry, maybe headed for number one ten years
from now.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
Yes, I I couldn't be any more proud, prouder, and
I'm not in the least bit shocked. Lade. Yeah, other
people maybe, but that's because they don't know him personally.
I just I mean, there's there was no like, if

(01:14:47):
you believe in fate, you know, in destiny, then he
like that was the guy right, like that was destined
to take this spot in my opinion, And I know,
you know, I've I'm biased and I'm gonna I'll just
be straight up and admit it. But at the same time,

(01:15:07):
nobody else can do what he's doing. I've seen the
restraint that he showed, that the uh just how he
handles situations, the way he reacts to things, this amazing
way amazing. Those are the types of things you should
be the most brilliant guy in the world. But if
you don't have those coping skills and you know, the

(01:15:30):
ability not to blow your stack every time something happens,
you know that's it's it's huge, it's huge. It's still
it's one of the things people don't really don't get
about him. I think he's almost superhuman in that regard.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Do you do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Uh oh, let me ask this and then and then
I'm moving because I don't want to put you too
much on the spot, because I know you're I don't care.

Speaker 5 (01:15:56):
I'll put my friends over all day long.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Here's my question.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Much in ten years, if for any reason and I
don't it doesn't have to be morbid or anything like that.
But if in five or ten years Nclickmann is not
the ring master and has a step back or any
any circumstances, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Is Hunter going to be the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Guy with ninety percent of the power unencumbered or do
you think it will be more of a collective effort
or including a partnership with Stephanie. And I know Stephanie
is raising kids and trying to be the brand ambassador
and all that, but from running wrestling operations, not the
corporate side. Is this Hunters in waiting?

Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
Yes, yes, yeah? And are you yeah, I mean that's
that's a pretty short answer, but yeah, yeah, And you know,
obviously Paul and Stephanie are always going to be a
teams and everything really like I mean in life, and
they should be. But yeah, that's him, that's him weight Yeah,

(01:17:04):
and uh and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Is he the right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Do you think he's the right person at the right
time whenever that time comes based on I mean, of
course Hearin's gonna be yeah, I mean, but is I
don't know. I mean, when you think about where this
industry is today and Vince McMahon's just stranglehold on the
overall revenue and ratings and viewership and brand identity of
the progressing industry, you know, people always wonder who woul

(01:17:30):
who would take over, you know, and Stephanie had as
a teenager, asserted it was gonna be her, not Shane.
And you know, Shane was always kind of felt like
the weight on his shoulders of being the heir apparent
maybe was more than he even wanted to fathom when
he was younger. But now it's kind of turned out
to be you know, triple Ah paulovec and I mean
I have I've had my criticisms of him on air

(01:17:52):
and behind the scenes, and sometimes it's not been his fault,
but he's been part of things that I've thought have
been bad for business.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
But you know when you look at the NXT.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
Product, Yeah, when somebody yeah, I'm sorry, you're it's just
like when you asked me earlier, like you know, uh,
is it him or the team or that he's assembled.
Like it's just like when the president when like if
i's you know, like whatever happens during the president's term,

(01:18:23):
like whether it's like boom period or you know, it's
like hard not to give credit to Bill Clinton for
the nineties being so uh prosperous, right, you know, and
people can say, well, you had a Republican Congress, but
you know, I mean people are always gonna, you know,
be contrarian, you know when comes are things like that.

(01:18:45):
But no, like you, if things are a failure, like
you're gonna, you know, take the heat for it, so
might as well take the credit for it when things
are good too.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Yeah, Sean, I've kept you well pass the hour? You
fine spending ten, ten, twelve more minutes with me? Or
do you do you running out of steam?

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
Man, Okay, I'm all right, okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
I didn't even realize how much time has flown by
until I looked at the clock while you were talking there. Okay, well,
let me go to a couple more calls here and
see where that leads us. Let's go to nine to
nine area code. Next nine to nine things are calling.
Please state your name in the city you're calling for you?

Speaker 5 (01:19:23):
Hey? Wait, they start?

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
Hey, Jonathan, Thanks? What do you got for shot?

Speaker 16 (01:19:29):
I got it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
I just got a simple question. What was the what
was do you prefer the generation? X? NW was? Guys?

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
What was the what was that?

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
What did you prefer?

Speaker 13 (01:19:43):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
What faction do you prefer the moment?

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
I know you have a lot of Sorry Jonathan, I
go ahead, Yeah, n W or d X. You get
as this all the time and various.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
Very good that I am asked this one. Let me
think for a second. I shouldn't be marking it. That's
a bed question. I apologize. It's gotta be d X man.
And well, I've made the most money. You had the
most fun and when you jumped.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
When you jumped, the ratings turned around, the ratings flipped.

Speaker 5 (01:20:19):
They did start to come back in another direction.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Totally.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
When people want to identify the turning point in the
Monday Night Wars from a from a time standpoint, it
was when you jumped. And part of that is Triple
H suddenly had an edge to him that he didn't
have before. With China and Sean, things got less any
a little more edgy. Your credibility from the nWo and
the work and the reputation, and it showed a turning

(01:20:45):
of the tide. You were tied with WO brought that
over to d X. And a big part of it
too is both Scott Hall and Kevin Nash rather bluntly
told me in like six seven hour torch talks I
did with them a handful of years ago, they the
way you treated, the way that you were treated by
Eric Bischoff in being unceremoniously FedEx from the company led

(01:21:07):
to them basically saying, not basically outright telling Bischoff, We're
done doing anything extra for you. Tell us I will
look at my contract and see what I have to do.
I will do no more. And those guys were very
influential on changing the mood and the politics and the
momentum of w CW. When they felt like the guy
that they that was going to take credit for the
success had screwed over one of their friends, so they

(01:21:29):
decided to basically sabotage and not help Bischoff at that point.

Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
Well, I mean, if you if, if if you consider
just taking your hands off the wheel and letting somebody
else try sabotaging, I'll say that's a fair way of
putting it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
Well, I'll accept that clarification. There's probably a few instances
of a little more than that, but even so, for.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
Sure, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
But overall, like the what you know, apparently know, I
guess a lot of people didn't really truly think the
click thing was to shoot. Yeah, you know, and but
I mean, seriously, that's what it boils down to, man,

(01:22:11):
is that would take a bullet for each other. Yeah,
you can't do that to one of us, or you
do it to all of us.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 5 (01:22:20):
And you know, there was more to it. It wasn't
just as simple as I mean, in Eric's defense, you know,
there was some other things that now that he mentioned
it and in his defense and he that that was
this big screw up on his part totally.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
But he brought up very he brought up very bluempaint
playing hardball in the contract, and that was.

Speaker 5 (01:22:40):
Fair, that was fair, that was fair, But it was
still you know, you know, it was still that wasn't
the reason why he did it, but that was that was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
A faster It brought him to the brink.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
Yeah, like he was more ready to to hair trigger
fire you because he was already frustrated with how things
are going with your age and Berry Bloom. And what
he thought was, you know, not Barry was.

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
Just trying to get me more money because I was
being booked and made stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
So yes and no, no, of course of course, but Eric,
from his perspective, thought, this isn't good faith negotiating. That
was his point. I'm fred up and Sean, I'm gonna
make an example out of him, and it you know,
it was And that's that's the other thing to Sean.
And I'll clarify this when I say, you know, was
the turning point of the night I wore was your jump?
People go, oh wait, friends of Sean, He's going to
wait too much credit. It's like, no, no, what I'm saying, Yeah,

(01:23:35):
but I'm saying is literally that is when the turning
point happened. And your firing and the way that Eric
did it and the frustration and stress that he was
under that led him handling that situation. The way that
he did is symptomatic that things were falling apart at
that time, that Eric's relationship with you and Hall and
Nash was damaged, and it was damage going into that

(01:23:55):
and your firing was a symptom of the damage. And
it was also his stress level was indicative of the
fact that things were falling apart, and that while things
were going so well, not enough work was done laying
the foundation for the next chapter in Monday Nitro and
it was it was so. But your jump really did
was was symptomatic of, not the cause of the flip

(01:24:18):
in the Monday Night War, but you obviously contributed to
it in terms of being an on air person and
a behind the scenes person for that matter, bringing what
you could to d X compared to the nWo.

Speaker 5 (01:24:29):
The funny thing is is that what in reality was
as firing was perceived as a big cup and a jump,
I know, you know by the general public. Yeah, And
basically I use a little bit of doo on them. Yeah,
use their own momentum against them.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Good analogy. Yeah, all right, let's go.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
Well, I mean it's basically what we did.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Yep, yep.

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Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
All right, let's go to seven eight, next, seven one eight,
Thanks for holding. Please state your name in the city
you're calling from.

Speaker 5 (01:25:55):
Hey, gentlemen, are going this?

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Hey Mike please?

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
I was just up there, Man, I don't really really.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Mike, you're not allowed to ask about the n w
O compared to d X.

Speaker 5 (01:26:12):
A few, you know, a few quick questions. You know,
I asked part mister Walman. You know, he was always
one of my favorites. I spoke to you the last time,
you know, you came on. But a couple of quick
questions like if he was offered you know, or your
time coming and he was offered the position to being creative,

(01:26:34):
you know, would you take it? That's the first question.
And like if you were asked to a pay you know,
this year, come in wrestle Mania and you know, some
type of bag match or match or you know, like
who who would you like to say? Like who do
you think would be a good opponent for you? That's
what I got to. That's whatever they asked me I

(01:26:59):
would do. I'll give it a shot. You know, I'm
not saying I would be cut out for creative. I
mean I'm cut out for creative talent wise, but I
don't know about you know, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Sit down and writing scripts, go.

Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
And you know, know the whole you know, chill in
the corporate line crap. Like I don't know if like
you know, if that if that will work out. But
I would definitely try and give it a hundred percent effort,
you know, and try to make it work. And yeah,
I would. I have it in my head that I

(01:27:36):
will be back in the w W evening out of
WrestleMania before it's over with. So that hopefully that answers that.
I don't know who it is. I would, you know,
I want to be in there with Brock.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
You're going to be headlining against brock Leaser because everybody's
trying to figure out who's going to face Brocketmania and
all that he's going against Undertaker next month.

Speaker 5 (01:27:58):
Yeah, I'm not even gonna touch that way, like I think,
if you really think about that, I guess he got
his hands on me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Yeah, No, I just I've just heard so many I've
heard so many names, becaus, who do you think? Well,
I'm asking who's gonna whos brock Leseran gonna wrestle at
Mania thirty two.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
Have you thought about it?

Speaker 5 (01:28:21):
Shoot, I don't know, man, it could be. It could
there's heavin like it could be. It could be wrong, honestly.
I mean, it seems like they're really wanting to go
with him. I mean it could be. Yeah, No, I know,

(01:28:44):
I don't just speculation right now. I don't even really
think anybody that matches up with him.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
That's the problem. That's the thing is nobody matches up
with him. I mean, if Rock came back and wanted
to risk every you know, risk his face and his health.
That's a marquee matchup. I don't think that's gonna happen, though, Undertaker.
I think they're spending that match now next later this month.
I should say, I don't think you do a fourth one.
Triple H has already done. John Cena has been done,

(01:29:12):
Rains have been done, Seth's been done. I mean you
just start running out. You know, Kevin Owens isn't promoted
at that level. Daniel Bryan never happened. But I don't
think they're gonna do that given his health, in the
fact that both our babyface isn't probably staying that way.
I just don't know who brought back Sean. I'm I
am completely out of obvious. I don't even have a
short list of really good candidates right now, which it's

(01:29:34):
not good, but I'm really curious to see what Vince
has up his sleeve.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
Well, you know, every year they managed to pull something
out of there. But yeah, yeah, for the most part. Yes,
I mean, look, I mean this year is he couldn't
have couldn't have topped expectations anymore tried, but of course,
because that's tech, weren't very young, Yes, yeah, somebody's going

(01:30:05):
to be mad at me through my attitude. Holy serious,
Come on, guys, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
I'm looking over the emails we got and just making
sure there's nothing great.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Actually, let me go to Kylon here because you wanted
to ask something I was going to ask about, which
is about Scott Hall. Kylin, welcome to Black Cast, Colin
from New Jersey. What have you got for Sean Waltman?

Speaker 16 (01:30:33):
Thank you, Wade.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
Absolutely, go ahead.

Speaker 16 (01:30:37):
Ma Hi Sean, nice to talk to you again.

Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
We'll see.

Speaker 16 (01:30:43):
Let me just say it was a pleasure to meet
you at the Legends of the Ring convention around this
time last year.

Speaker 5 (01:30:55):
Yeah, it was good to see you too. I remember you.
What do you want to ask by me?

Speaker 16 (01:31:04):
Well, the main question I had asked you today was,
as I'm sure you heard, there is now the distinct
possibility that Scott may be returning to w WE in
some sort of training or maybe possibly a creative position.

(01:31:31):
So I wanted, now that you've kind of overcome your
issues that you've had throughout your life, whether you felt
that there was a place for you and some sort
of behind the scenes capacity.

Speaker 5 (01:31:56):
Unsure we could me in somewhere in there, but I mean,
I don't know if there's any particular you know, title
that I would I would actually suit like I don't know,
a producer, I don't know, right or I don't know.

(01:32:21):
I don't know if I really think I became on
this guy that just does a little bit of everything.
But yeah, sure, I mean, because I do, I'm things
as I ain't when I'm back there, you know, I don't.
You know, there's Mike. The ship is no longer on
my shoulder, so uh, you know, I don't carry myself

(01:32:45):
at work the same as I used to do, you know,
I don't. It used to be sometimes not the easiest
uh deal to get to deal with me, you know,
business wise, So the things are different now in.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Terms of ranking great rest minds, regardless of all the
stuff that Scott's talked on this show about and you
know firsthand that he's dealt with on a personal level
in terms of wrestling minds. What what category does Scott
Hall fall into and what do you think is one
of the biggest miss misperceptions about uh A Scott Hall.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
Well, I don't know, because as far as the great
mind and the business, he's right up there with the
dust of with with your Pat Addison and you know,
guys of that nature, and that's a fact. Yeah, well,
I mean that's a fact. In min.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
You believe it's a fact. You believe, you are confident
ten out of ten that you were correct.

Speaker 5 (01:33:48):
Yeah, well yeah pretty much. Yeah. So, And as far
as misconceptions, I know, I don't think there is a
whole lot of misconceptions. It's like I think he would
probably agree with that. Yeah, yeah, because everybody kind of

(01:34:08):
knows the story now, you know, like that he's a
really good guy. He just needs to realize that that
type of saying, you know, you know, the typical stuff
you could say about Alana.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Did you see the Jake documentary?

Speaker 5 (01:34:26):
Did I see? You know? They're they're they're they're having
a view into tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
Are you going to hear him?

Speaker 5 (01:34:30):
Silly? I can't. I mean I can't, I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
That's what I thought.

Speaker 5 (01:34:34):
You only leave the house. You Yeah, I'd love to.
I love to be there, love to you know, for Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
And maybe DDP can send you a link that you
can watch watch a media review copy like I had.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
That would be nice. Emails Dallas, tell him what what
the f we got to see? Idiot's and meeling.

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
Yeah, yeah, no he didn't bunch here. You would of course,
I I know, I've no dally for years. I think
give me the secret pass where even though you won't
do the Torch website, I.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
Only I only got that's not that, it's not true
how many times and you email it. I forgot my past, Sean,
I don't want to keep it.

Speaker 5 (01:35:17):
You didn't even sell it when I. You didn't even
sell it when I when I tweeted you, I haven't
received my deposit yet from my uh from my interview today.
Oh you know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
But actually by the time I saw it, it just
felt like old like old news. Actually, I was stewing
at it.

Speaker 5 (01:35:34):
Yeah, if you didn't if you didn't sell it right away,
it's too late.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
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of scrambling to find a new guest today. I just
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Pwtors dot com slash go vi ip, Sean. Let's wrap
up with you talking about yourself a little bit, not
your injury, but you talked about the UK tour. You've
You've talked about you know, Kylin, talked about meeting You've
got to these conventions. How much fun are you having

(01:36:41):
in this phase of your career as a public figure
within wrestling. And one is the dates that you're doing,
the matches that you're having, the autograph shows. But number two,
you have one of the best Twitter feeds that I've
seen of anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
I mean, you are you are. It's just I mean
there are times where I'm like, man, he's in a.

Speaker 5 (01:37:00):
You have to agree with it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
I mean, you know, you know, but there's times I'm like,
he's in a mood.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
But what's funny is like four hours later you'll be like,
I'm going dark for a while. You guys are getting
to me, you know, like you'll just leave. But it
feels like and it's fun because I think people get
to see what I've known in you know of you
for twenty five years. People get to see a side
of you that the x POC character didn't have a
chance in character on television to convey. It came across
in our interviews that we've done over the years. The

(01:37:26):
torch talks for the newsletter in the show, but on Twitter,
people get to see how how smart you are, how
much you care about different things outside of wrestling, the
political mind that you have, the strong opinions you have
in different things. It's really cool. People can obviously look
you up on Twitter. It's rightly not hard to find
out is it real XPOC or the real expert at the.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
Real XPOC.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
Not that you need my plug, because I mean, you've got,
you know, eighteen trillion followers for good reason, but following
if someone's listening out there, isn't you are more followers
than we have listeners and that's saying something. But Sean, yeah,
I mean it's talk about what Twitter means to you.
I know it's kind of a weird thing, but it's
a way for you to be alone in your house,
sitting on the couch and still be connected to the

(01:38:11):
world that has been your entire professional adult life.

Speaker 5 (01:38:16):
And then you know, this is something that I have
never really I've never made this analogy before or made
this you know connection. But you know it's supposed to
media Twitter for me, Twitter because that's the main one
for me. I'm not a big deep Facebook fan. Uh

(01:38:38):
it is. It's you know, okay, I get a lot
of times it's like, oh man, Twitter's the worst thing
in the world for someone might meet because I just blew,
you know, and then you know, hit Sam, and then
I go, maybe I should have thought about that a
little bit more. But you know, it's always from the

(01:38:59):
heartweight always, and you know, yes, I I not aligned
some once in a while, I'm I'm off the mark,
you know, I think, you know, differences as I admit it,
a lot of people just never admit the wrong public

(01:39:19):
figures wise, but also like what it means for like
somebody and I don't think anybody's really thought about this.
A person that has issues like I do, like Scott
and you know, addiction and you know, trauma, you know

(01:39:42):
these types of things. Isolation can be like deadly and
Twitter sometimes is the difference between being held up in
your home and isolating and having somebody to reach out to,
you know what I mean? You know, I mean does
that make any sense to ways?

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
It totally does.

Speaker 5 (01:40:03):
So you're not You're really not alone, like and that
can be the difference between life and death for some people.
And it can't Like I mean, I talked to people
on there. I've actually talked to people on the phone
that like I could just tell like this person really

(01:40:25):
needs something like yeah, somebody right now? You know, yes,
you know, and it goes both ways, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
Yeah, Well, and how about this chapter of your career
in terms of the I don't think it's nostalgia's word.

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
Certainly that's part of it, but I'm writing a nostalgia
wave into the ground.

Speaker 13 (01:40:45):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
Yeah yeah, I mean, but you know, I mean, you
you are there, but there's more to it than you know,
you're just showing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
Up like Xbox.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
But what this chapter of your career having the making
the money that you get to make and doing the
things that you get to do as a true independent contractor,
I mean as true of any dependent contractors.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
It gets.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
I mean, there's no guarantee that this phase would exist
for you as you're getting into your forties and not
working full time, nor probably should you be at this
point or if you you know, for all kinds of reasons.
But it's got to be pretty cool that the demand
is there and that you get to do the wide
array of things that you're getting to do to fill
your schedule.

Speaker 5 (01:41:31):
It is because I'm able to you know, we're not
going three hundred easy a year, one thousand miles an hour,
and I can actually take time. And if you ever
talk to somebody that comes and seeze me out a
show or a meet and greet or comic con or whatever,

(01:41:55):
the people that bring me in sometimes get a little
bit frustrated because iris you to rush people through. I
take my time. I'm enjoying meeting and interacting with all
these people laid you know, I mean, and just being
able to put a smile on somebody. I know it's
so cliche sound and I've said this before, but it's

(01:42:16):
a really powerful thing, like to write your name on
a picture and take a selfie with somebody and make
their day. It takes takes a minute, you know, some
or less. So that's huge for me. It's it's huge. Uh,
just knowing that somebody that you know, you impacted somebody

(01:42:40):
in a positive way. It does I mean, it's really
hard to to put a value on that because it's
it's kind of priceless.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Yep.

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Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
Well, very good, Sean, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
It's been a long time since you're on the show,
and I am yeah, yeah, yeah, You've You've no silt
to be a.

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
Long time before you get me on again Barty.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
I apparently so you know, seven of my invites in
the last eight months. But no, honestly, it's it's this
reminds me of why I love having on the show.
Just's kind of free flowing and and uh a lot
a lot of a lot of different topics. But really
enjoyed it and I really appreciate your time.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
I know it's been uh.

Speaker 5 (01:44:12):
Yeah, and can I can I go? Can I rewind
for a second, do whatever you want?

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:44:18):
Yeah. It was crazy, like, you know, the experience in
the hospital with the doctors, and they were great, The
hospital was fantastic, but you know, I explained a way
that I had, you know, previous issues with painkillers, and uh,
it was just funny to me that I was trying

(01:44:43):
to think of other things besides a narcotics, you know,
to help with the with the you know, the pain,
and they were just more than happy just to push
like oxy on me and all this and and that,
and I I just found it was really kind of crazy,
you know, and I'm trying to like, hey, how about

(01:45:03):
the metron dose pack? How about oh you the one
doctor was like the you know, like I was asking
for Starre, like like anabolic steroids like metroal dose pack's
quart Cordico steroids for inflammation, you know, and I get
starts kind of not going off on me, but like

(01:45:24):
getting attitude with me, you know, push an oxy on me.
But yeah, no, no to the medal dose pack. You know,
excuse me for trying not, you know, take a narcotic medication.
Apologize and then I don't know anyway, at the point being,

(01:45:44):
you know, I'm trying to do this without the without
the narcotic cane idication. So and uh, it's it's prettyful.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
Yes, yes, no, yeah, no, I know, I mean and
good for you for you know, having that you know
that temptation. I don't temptations word, but the offer into well.

Speaker 5 (01:46:15):
No, there's not there. I mean no, I mean I
have like they prescribed it to me. It's just I'm
not you know, I'm not thinking it. Yeah, anyways, I
guess that that's not it. Yeah, just I should just
let you wrap it up. I just wanted to talk.

(01:46:36):
I kind of wanted to get under that earlier, but
you know, we just never did, so I should have
just let No.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
No, we're good.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
I'm glad you brought that up.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
I mean it's it's a good thing to say, and
I mean it is a window into you know, the
medical system and the routine that some doctors and nurses
are are in and and.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
How you know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
I mean it's just like you, you know, you were
talking about having a stand up for yourself in the
HIG hospital in various ways. I mean, people need to
be advocates for their health and not just submit to
whatever the system tries to do to you when you're
in that vulnerable position of being the patient who's relying
on other people's massive expertise to make you better. But
it doesn't mean you don't have a say so and

(01:47:16):
what happens and how things, how things go.

Speaker 5 (01:47:20):
Yeah, I kind of that was kind of the point
I was trying to make. I just didn't do a
very good job. Anyways. I appreciate, appreciate having me on Wave.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Absolutely, let's do it again.

Speaker 5 (01:47:30):
Nice distraction for me.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
Yeah, yeah, I hope, so, I hope so, I hope
it was a positive distraction And absolutely I think VA
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(01:48:17):
some good undercard matches.

Speaker 5 (01:48:19):
Sean.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
I meant to ask earlier too, and I don't know
if we did last time. Do you think Seampunk's gonna
have a decent USC showing.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
Or do you just not you?

Speaker 5 (01:48:29):
Do you think he have a Does he have a fight? No?

Speaker 1 (01:48:32):
No, no, I just mean kind of in general, you know,
I mean it's not breaking news, but I mean that
if he's gonna fight, it's gonna you know, at one
point it was going to be this year, and now
it looks like it's been pushed off into next year.
Do you think he first of all, do you think
he'll end up with the USC fight?

Speaker 5 (01:48:45):
And and this is starting to remind me of like
the Global Forces fight a little bit like because for
a while there like that, you know, Jeff Woo's coming up.
You know, everybody knew Global Force that's and they just
took a while for anything to actually unfold, right, Yeah,
kind of I'm laiting, you know, waiting. Yeah, well, you

(01:49:06):
know he's the one that's got to go out there
and get the ring and you know, go ahead on
and against.

Speaker 3 (01:49:11):
So I don't think there's anyway to know that.

Speaker 5 (01:49:14):
I'm just wondering when.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
Yeah, And I mean really, there's no way to know
with our knowledge just because he happened to be a
charismatic star who was gifted at worked matches, doesn't have
a lot of bearing other than he has a tremendous
work ethic and determination, you know, to be good at
what he does. But beyond that, I mean, we just
don't know if he can take a punch, if he's
a quick study, and and all the things he needs
to catch up on at his age. But it's a
fascinating story. But yeah, but nevertheless, USC pay per view

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Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
While you're at it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
Bruce Mitchell and Travis Bryant tomorrow in This Seat Live
at seven Eastern and if you haven't yet, check out
Jason to me on Tuesday discussing uh, the Monday night
run and and that shocking two point three rating? Does
that sean before final word here?

Speaker 5 (01:50:07):
Do you?

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
Does that two point three rating kind of sound jarring
to you when you hear that.

Speaker 5 (01:50:13):
A little bit? Yeah, yeah, a little bit. And and me,
I haven't. I haven't talked to anybody there like I'm
tall about it or you know, anybody like that, So
I'm not sure we're they're you know, they're not going
to really overly sell it anyways. But uh, yeah, it's
it's a little bit of an alarming number, like those

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numbers should be reversed at least.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
And it wasn't that long ago that you know, anything
under a three point zero was considered alarming, and now
you know, yeah, you're right, we flipped flipped the numbers around.
So yeah, I think it's going to be an interesting
time period in pro wrestling. You know, when when the
number gets that load, a binsic man soften his stance
or start listening to other people and start second guessing
himself in a way that might actually be productive for

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the product. Sometimes you need to kind of hit a
low point for that kind of a wake up call
to shake things up, and it can be kind of
an exciting time to be a view of one of
the few, the proud.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
Who are left.

Speaker 5 (01:51:07):
Yeah, yeah, no, I I have say that something will happen. Yeah,
you know, I always does. But hey, man, have me
back on when when quotes overturned Nick DIA's decision?

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
Boy, what you you were all for Twitter on that
one too? Yeah, yes, that was all right. We'll add
on that note.

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