NEW FLAGSHIP: Keller & Powell (pt. 1 of 2): All In preview & mystery card shuffling, reaction to Tony Khan media call today, AEW announcing

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in pro wrestling. Jason all Inis coming up in just a few days
in London, England, in frontof the biggest crowd in wrestling history.
Except it's not, but it's avery big crowd. But boyded w B
just just like Ruin ruined some oftheir some of their fun. It feels

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like their their ticket launch date mighthave been just an attempt to steal aw
getting to brag about their their numberfor a while. But the truth is
both Russamanian all In our great numbersand I think it's going to be an
amazed Well it's not. I'm notthinking it. It will be by definition,
an amazing atmosphere. This Sunday obviouslya peak moment for a W You

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listen to uh Tony Conn's media calltoday, did he just sound super excited?
I mean, I read your summaryof it. I haven't heard it
yet. I just I did justget the audio file, and but yeah,
it was was he just sounding excitedabout it because I think he should
be. This is a really bigmoment for the company. Yes, and
no, it was like a mixbecause he's certainly excited about the event.

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He sounded you know, we can'tsee him, but he sounded like he
was getting a little emotional talking abouthis dad's reaction to that, talking about
when he introduced his dad to DavidZasloft, and Zasloft told his dad that
he's after your kids ff and killingit or something that. So, yeah,
but the mixture, there's injuries andwe don't know what. They obviously

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want to let them play out ontelevision first, and he just that he
was very bag and what he said, but you could tell him that was
irritating to him. Something's up thereand I don't know what. He made
it clear it wasn't Cole and MGF, we don't know what it is yet,
but that was the only thing thatkind of seemed to keep him down.

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And then obviously the cash Wheeler stufftoo. He made it clear,
he made it clear it wasn't thetag team match, it wasn't the main
event. He had a couple ofother matches he listed, and I don't
believe that was one of them.So yeah, that could very well be
it. Yeah, and until wehave a tournament to crown a new real
world champion. Way, you know, trying to stay focus here, Jason,
You're gonna get me off on thesidebar Ran. But yeah, it's

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so dumb. It's so dumb thatthere they have ring announcers officially acknowledging it
as a real world title. Iwish somebody would have asked about that or
said, you know, Tony,can you defend how dumb? This is
just like totally loaded question. Youhave to be able to get in the
air in order to ask a questionwith I know, and it's funny how
that works. Yeah. So Imean, man, okay, we won't

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go down. Well, yeah,we won't go down too far down the
road. But when you eliminate thatmany big matches, plus you sound distressed
over the shaking up, having toshake up the card and making changes,
But you eliminate multiple matches, there'snot much left that would stress him out
as much as he was stressed out. Because the big other big names are
in are in big tag matches,right, So yeah, yeah, Code's

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injured, Kenny's injured. Well,I mean, okay, yeah, it's
not cool, but you just addsomeone. It's not restructuring the card.
But if Punk's hurt and or youknow, Punk end or Joe, you
know, that's the biggest match.I guess Jericho and Osprey there could be
something, did he He didn't mentionthem. No, I don't believe.
So those would be the two biggestsingles matches where you'd really have to rearrange
the card everything else. Give whathe's eliminated, seems like it would be

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you know, manageable and not reallyshake things up too bad. So stay
tuned for that. Maybe maybe workgets out about that. But like you
said, they're going to be addressed. They're going to be addressing on TV.
My hunch is, if it's abig name that's injured and it's a
baby face, especially that they'll doan injury angle on Wednesday and he just
doesn't want to tip his hand onthat. Yeah, that would make the

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most sense if well, yeah,because even if it is Punk, everyone's
going to be in the building thatnight or the collision taping, right,
that's a thing. Oh, that'sgood. Does everybody make it out out
of there without getting arrested or suspended? Well, we have that all in
all out. So yet three daysthey all have to be in the same
building between now and a week fromSunday. And yet I don't I mean,

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every want to see anyone heard.But maybe it may if it's just
a one and done for Punk,maybe that makes life a little easier for
everybody involved. I don't know that'strue. Yeah, they film an injury
angle with Punk at like two inthe afternoon, and then he just leaves
and they don't see you know,we don't see him again for you know,
three months or six months, andthen you know, j White,
Powerhouse, Hobbs and Ricky Stark's riserise up on on collision. But it's

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a turn of Ryan Nemth. Yes, yes, Oh that would be awesome.
If Ryan Nemoth got a big pushwith Punk on and got over Tom,
you know you would be motivated toget over during Punk's absence, Ryan
Nemoth, that would be as motivatedas any wrestler ever has been. Yeah,
and then Punk can Punk can beinjured just in time for college football
season to decimate collision ratings, sohe can look like collision ratings are going

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to be decimated anyway. But that'smy point is Punk leaves and so he
can go. Look remember whole Hoganand Triple H like to play these games
where when they knew ratings are goingto be down, they didn't go on
the show so they could point tothe fact and like as if people wouldn't
realize, No, it was aholiday edition. There was this big football
game over the World Series Game sevenand you're not there. How convenient or

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other mainive enters have have done that, But Triple H learned from the best,
and Hogan was the best slash worstin that regard. Yeah, so
no, but if Punk got injuredand the ratings go down, he can
go lock and people be like,yeah, but you know college football,
Well I think it'd be scared againthat's going to be the least of his
concern. I think this one willreally push him over the edges for just

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in terms of frustration. Yeah,yeah, I mean he's he's there's a
lot of mileage from the indie days, ROH days, w w E and
then MMA training, And honestly,when you carry around the kind of needless
stress that he does where he can'tlet anything go ever, that can help
either. I mean mental and physicalconnections are pretty strong. But yeah,

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I mean it's been his mid fortiesand he's trying to do stuff that you
know it's gonna lead to injury ata higher percentage, more frequently than than
if he was thirty. And youknow, so I don't know, but
we're going down a road that maynot be a story, Jason, So
we should pause on that. Butwell, well, what are you doing
to one more thing? Yeah?Yeah, If it is indeed Punk that's

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injured and he's going to be outfor a substantial amount of time, how
much does collision change, not justbecause of his absence, but the whole
style of the show. I thinkFTR and a couple others are want somebody
asked, somebody emailed and asked ifJim Cornett was booking Collision secretly because it
would makes sense keeping the Bucks andKenny away, And you know, anyway,

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the Collision does feel but I'll lookup the question it does. It
does seem like a show that couldbe booked by Jim Cornett, So maybe
it doesn't change if it's if it'sJim Cornett's vision. But because I've always
said, you know, whatever issuesI have a Cornett on a personal level,
wrestling philosophy wise, we're in syncon more things than than the vast

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majority of people who have you know, had have who are public figures where
we know what their kind of creativevision is. But yeah, I Punk
is Gone. I think the showhas been reviewed well enough that I think
Tony would stick with with it beingyou know, different in the ways that
it's been differ print in terms ofpacing and the video packages and in the
tone and all that. The issuewhat I thought you're getting at is if

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if Punk is Gone, does Tonystart asking John Moxley, Chris Jericho,
Kenny in the Box to kind ofrotate what week they wrestle Wednesday versus Saturday
and just completely blend the rosters dowe if without Punk, do we lose
the soft roster split in the top, you know, among the top guys,
that could happen. I just wantyou know, how vocal is Punk
right now in this whole process,And if you take him out of the

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picture on a week to week basis, even if Tony wants to keep the
vision the same as Tony completely graspthe vision. If if indeed Punk is
a big if he's the one spearheadingit right now, Punk could stay behind
the scenes and be even more active, could be Yeah, yeah, I
could see him, you know himand and FTR and whoever you know,
kind of going all right, youknow, I can't be on to or

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Punk does does more color commentary andyou know, I mean it can keep
him as a TV presence even ifhe's injured. They didn't last time,
but that was because of other thingsthat that you know, didn't require but
certainly called for him to not bepresence on TV. What do you think
about We'll get to preeving all inin just a moment here, but what
do you think of Punk as aperformer on the mic demeanor, connecting with

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a crowd, his in ring work, We've got a pretty decent apple size
this time around on him. Whatdo you think more good than bad?
I think it's that they're trying toplay John scene in with him, and
I would just I think at thispoint I would flip him. And I'm
not seeing any signs. They don'tseem to be setting anything up Ricky Starks
as a heel. He may begetting some cheers, but I think some

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of it is people like Ricky Starks. They also want to boo againstee him
Punk, But it doesn't feel like, Okay, we're just setting up Ricky
because he's going to be the babyface. I think they want Punk to
be the baby face and be theface of the brand, but I just
don't know that it's realistic. Wehaven't seen the attendance number shoot way up
for it. He is getting amixed reaction at best everywhere he goes,

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and I think he's a hell ofa heel. They need a new face
of that company. If if hethey were to turn him, you could
still have him be that as aheatld. It's obviously works for Roman Range,
but I do think you'd need somerising store baby face types to work
with him, and I think theyhave them. You know, if they
position people the right way, Ithink it could work out just fine.

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So that's one that's the biggest thingthat I would do. I just think
they're right now. They're just fightinga fight they're not going to win.
If Punk is off the card man, we're going deep on something we don't
know right now. But whatever,if Punk is, that's what happens when
Tony is all coy about everything andthrows it out there. You'll leave us
a speculate Yeah, no, no, I know, Yeah, I just
I'm like, but I don't knowwho else jumps out, you know,

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as as likely with this lineup.What if Joe is healthy? Is there
somebody who you plug in in thatspot as a baby face that that feels
like a decent replacement. Oh,I haven't even thought of it. Gosh.
I mean, they have plenty ofpeople that I think would please the

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crowd. I don't know what theiraccessibility is, not that it's like a
it's not a great style matchup,I don't think, but Samoa Joe and
like Kingo would be interesting in alot of ways, and I think people
in the UK would be excited tosee him. But I know he had
the injury issue too, and Idon't think they have full time access to
him anyone jumping out, No,no, I'm not, But I mean

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it sounds like Tony's got something inmind based on what he said in the
in the media call, you knowthat he was gonna have to rearrange the
card. That was certainly the mostnews worth the aspect that jumped out.
You know, Yes, he wasbeing ki and bag, but it jumped
out that. Okay, he saidhe's got to rearrange things, and I
mean rearrange he said. Did hesay the word rearrange or something along those
lines. I believe so. Yeah, and that's different. Then well,

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we have, you know, awrestler we need to replace. It sounds
like more than one almost. Imean, based on did you get a
sense it's more than one that's goingto lead a range that's a life felt
let's do it. Yeah? Yeah, I mean I kind of want to
go back and listen to that sectionagain, but I did. Listening to
it, I was like, Okay, you must have multiple injuries just the
way he's talking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, we'll see.

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It's it's late in the game torearrange things, and you know,
the top wrestlers are accounted for,so we'll see. Well, Jason,
let's let's pause and introduce a showformula here, and then we'll get to
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question, do you think they've donea thumbs up, big, thumbs up,
mile, thumbs up, something elsein terms of piecing together a lineup?
And it's always through the lens ofOh, they have another event right
afterwards, you know, like theall out, and so it changes how
I feel about the card. ButI would say people traveling to the show
and pay big money for the show, who're excited about the show, they

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don't want to hear about. Well, it's not what it would have been
if we didn't have all out scheduled, you know what we in the next
weekend. So just how do yourate it on its own? Oh,
just the lineup, not the build. No, I'm sorry, not without
grading it on a curve because theyhave to save some things for all out.
Yeah. So again, but arewe talking to build or just the
lineup itself. Both. Yeah,the build, with the exception of Cole

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and MGF, has been pretty dreadful. I've been really let down by the
approach they've taken with this. Theystarted way too late. I know it's
Tony Kahn's thing. He's convinced himselfthere's one formula he's had pay per view
success, and so it's a winningformula. You've never tried another formula,
Tony. Please do shake it up. You might find out that you'd be
more successful if you started your buildsooner than you do and started announcing matches

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sooner than you do. But yeah, I mean, I just look,
no one told him to do backto back pay per view weekend, so
I don't even I just like,look at this. We're what it is,
and I'll worry about all out nextweekend. But just for the card
with Wembley Stadium and everything, They'vedone a great job with Cole and MGFF.
I'm really enjoying that. The ratingshow that it's a hit with people,
and then even like FTR and theYoung Bucks should be can't miss it.

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It kind of is where you throwit out there and people are gonna
you are going to be in thatarea into tag team matches. Are really
gonna want to see that. Butthe build, what has it been that
they mentioned each other's team names.There's legit friction between these teams. You
don't have to play into that,but you can certainly act like you are.
You know you can. Whatever thefriction is, You don't have to
make that the real part of thestory. You can come up with your

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own story and really get people drawnin. God forbid. The Bucks cut
a promo. Supposedly we're gonna getthat on Wednesday, and it's like two,
a little too late. So yeah, it's on paper. I think
the lineup is fine, a bitunderwhelming. I wanted more singles matches.
This is what I was afraid of. We get a few on top,
and then the rest would resemble anew Japan undercard, which six mans and

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ten mins and twelve and all thedifferent stuff. I think, because it's
aw I'm still very optimistic that whenthe show goes off the air, people
are going to be satisfied that arethere in the building and also watching at
home. It may be a longdraining day night, depending on where you
are, because they tend to goridiculously long as it is, and it

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sounds like they want to go longerfor this show, which is horrifying.
But so I think people will ultimatelyhopefully feel satisfied with their purchase, whether
it be tickets or pay per view. But it needs to change the way
they do things leading into these shows. Again, you don't know until you
try something new. Weight and hejust won't budge on this. I mean,

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this is your biggest chance to havea WrestleMania like event, and they
didn't start really announcing matches until whattwo weeks out And for anyone going well,
WW is doing the same thing withpayback, it's payback. Shut up,
yes, shut up, Come on, come on, No, I

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know what you mean. It's it'snot they're not they're not comparable. Okay,
let's all got some specifics. Uh, and we'll just start with MGF
and cole O. Where's your moneyas far as this goes, is it
on a coal turning hell on MJFF, MGFF turning on Cole or they stayed
together and they stretch this out longerbecause as you said, it seems like
people are enjoying it. Yeah,I don't risk going too long with it.

(22:25):
I mean the longest I would gois all out. So if they
somehow stretch it out a little bitlong, you know, another week,
that's fine. But I think itends here. I think Adam Cole has
said a trap, whatever it ishe has in mind with that kickoff show,
a pre show match with the forthe r H tag titles. I
think we get some sort of anangle there and then whatever, you know,
it's going to happen in the mainevent. I would think that Cole

(22:48):
comes out of this with the championshipand MGF is a baby fish, and
if it's not that, if it'ssomething different and it's not, you know,
I don't care if I'm right,as long as it's good. But
my big concern is that if you'regoing to pull the rug out from under
people a second time with MJF,I don't think it's a good move.
I think people really in d mJFF. They're responding to both guys,

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but so much of it is becauseof MJFF. I think he's the guy
you go baby face with and AdamCole. He gets the great reactions for
Babe and all that stuff that hasn'tbeen a great baby face run It does
feel like it's being cut premature,but I just think it makes more sense
and you're seeing the kingdom right there. They reunite all of that. Roderick
Strong's part of it too, andI wouldn't be surprised if Britt Baker wins

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That's p wtorch dot com. ColeAs a heel does intrigue me more,
but he had For him to goheal when he's been so well liked

(24:18):
is gonna be a not a challenge, but a pretty sharp turn for how
fans feel about it, because Coalup until now, I don't think he's
really connected with aw audience, andI think you know, Tony Khanna is
as often he does overestimate how manypeople are familiar with his entire body of
work, you know, even anNXT in front of a similar sized audience,
And even if they are familiar withhim, it has him at a
red hot run. You know,he's been some interruptions and and starts and

(24:41):
stops and curious losses without a lotof build and so I am curious if
he can flip that switch. Andwell, but it also can work more
because fans do feel posible, andso the heel turn can actually work in
the sense that they feel even morebetrayed and angry that you know Cole Cole
was insincere or was sincere but lost, but along the way decided that what

(25:11):
was happening he wasn't as enjoying asmuch as a fans were, And I
guess I can create some resentment.So I don't know. I think the
characters set a trap the entire way. Okay, I think that's how it's
gonna That's my guesh And it wouldthat would make the most sense, too,
right, because he's such a dork. So I think fans are enjoying
Adam Cole as a dork. Butif he set a trap the whole way.

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Then nothing he did along the wayhere was sincere, and then that
completely recalibrates. It would cause fansto recalibrate or reframe kind of everything that
they saw, and then that canlead to a resentment, because I think
people do care more about Cole nowthan they did two months ago. Sure,
I wouldn't even know if if itishamage to heal, I wouldn't even
surprised. He looks into the cameralike a trampoline park guys. Really exactly,

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yes, yep, does so.I mean I think Cole seeing a
baby face can work. I thinkCole is a heel works also well if
Cole and Britt then become a teamand become really obnoxious. I just want
to see Cole be healthy, havegood matches, know who he is,
and get consistent television time to gethis character over. I mean, we've
thought that about a lot of peoplelike Miro and Hobbs and Ricky Starks.

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There's been wrestlers along the way wherewe're like, hey, you know hook
even you know, people are understandablylike this guy was red hot and now
you've just totally throttled them down.If they turn Cole. And obviously if
he's world champion or in the championshippicture, he's going to be on TV
a lot and he'll have a chancebecause I just think a lot of wrestlers
inn Ada, but you just don'tget enough raps where it's obvious what they

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are, where they don't even knowwhat they're supposed to say and do to
to you know, flow from weekto week. So to me, whatever
Cole does, I just want tosee him be a centerpiece act and he
could end up being, you know, ultimately the most valuable signing among the
punk Danielson Cole signing if he hasa good few years because Danielsons I had
from stages career and you know whoknows with punks, So there's still a

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lot, there's still a lot thereas long as he's you know, mentally
and physically healthy enough to follow throughon it. The other category, the
other guy, and this is MJFF. And if he does turn baby face,
he's got to stay baby face likeit's just it's it. No more
teases, no more nothing. Idon't care how he's super. He's got
this high revving creative brain and hejust wants to oh, I'm gonna try
this, and I'm gonna do thisthat's based on this in the past,

(27:26):
and I want to recreate this,and this will be good. This will
get a good crobuation this week,and this will create a buzz on social
media, and I'll swerve people hereand I'll be like you, just slow
down, be a baby face,and show up and be that character consistently
for years and don't even entertain thenotion of teasing or swerving or anything else,
and just see how works out.Obviously, this a w audience likes

(27:48):
him in the way that w Wfens like Cody, you know, And
I mean there's just he's our guyfor the moment and when that happens.
I mean, I know they weretorn internally the last time when there was
a choice whether he should go faceor heal. And I just think they're
all too far down the road nowfor fans to do anything but cheer him,
even though I would say he successfullygot them to boo him again,

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which is what makes makes the storyarc even more risky, because they had
a good thing going. If theywant him to go heal again, because
I just think it's going to softenthe response to him if it's if it's
the more predictable Coal face MJF.Heal your thoughts, Yes, yeah,
and I think the signs are there. I would have a tougher time,
like if you're to play connect thedots when this is over and then do

(28:32):
a video package kind of laying outeverything. Yeah, I think you'd have
a much tougher time coming up withthe story for him JFF than you would
for Adam Cole. I mean,he did the thing where he used his
fist to act like he was stabbingMJF in the back at one point,
showed his true callers when MJFF startedinsulting Roderick Strong. There have been those

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moments along the way with Coal that, you know, outside of that initial
one, RAMJFF thought about it anddidn't do it. They really haven't.
And then we had that stupen onewith Cole reacted like he was about a
recent laugh. Yeah, yeah,I didn't like that, but it made
no sense. If he's turning,he'll I wouldn't do that in front of
a million people on television or whatever, and there's an MG is going to
find out about it. Just itwas Yeah, it was a totally dumb

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thing, and there's way too manywrestlers, way too many wrestlers doing things
because it'll get a crowdpop without lookingat the big picture reaction. And I've
talked to some people in wrestling whowere very frustrated by that right now,
that this generation of wrestlers and whenI say this general show just me twenty
something, it's just people who aren'tTV right now. They live for that
that sugar rush of of oh ohoh, we got a crowdpop tonight.
That made it good. And that'snot that's not the That's not how you

(29:38):
define good or success in wrestling.It's it's staying with something that makes sense
in a in a long story orI can even give you your next blood
and gut smash if they if theydo this the way that I think they
could, yeah, which would beyou know, Cole reunites with the Kingdom,
and so it's Tavin Bennett and RodertStrong is part of it. And
I mean, if they want toadd one more can But on the other

(30:00):
side, I'm at a reunited Pinnacle. And if they want to add Sean
Spears to Ken, I know hewas part of it. They don't have
to but bring Wardlow back and thatcould be part of mjf as a baby
face making peace with him. Ofcourse, the FTR it was a great
faction, and you don't have tokeep them together as a baby face faction.
There's too many of them. Butjust to reunite to the common enemy,

(30:22):
I think one night I'll make alot of fun. Yeah yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, Ithink that makes sense. And I mean,
you know, it's sort of amatch they want to they want to
have the pieces fall in place tohave that kind of a match, so
that that would work. Do youthink something happens in the tag title match
on the pre show that makes itclear who the face and heel are going

(30:45):
into their singles match one on one? Is that? Because to me,
if Tony Kahn thinks, hey,now we're gonna get more eyeballs on the
pre show and that's the only reasonwe're doing it, it'll be straightforward,
it'll be fun, fair enough,that's fine. Just like Robins Robs may
event last night doesn't have to bea big angle. It can just be
a good, properly match and maybethat's all it is, but it can
all and it Hey, MJ's wrestlingswrestle that Offen Cole and I'm Jeff for
together with their hot act. Thenpeople go, oh, I might as

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well order the paper view now,Okay, So that that's that's justification enough
for doing it, But it alsomight be a major angle that gets that
that Tony Kahn wants more people tosee. Uh, that sets up the
main event and builds anticipation for theyou know for you know, seven hours
later when the match actually takes place, so hopefully it's you know, three
and a half hours later. Yeah, So what what do you were?

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I mean, obviously it can workeither way, but do you have your
your money on one or the otherbig angle when the pre show or not?
I don't know if that my moneyon it is Tony Kinn's booking.
Sometimes it's there's not as much ofa formula to it where a lot of
times at w w E and kindof not always just it's been a little
more difficult under poll Evac, butunder eventually kind of could lay things out
and a pretty damn good idea ofwhere things were going Tony. I mean,

(31:56):
I think I guess one thing Iwould consider in this position if I
were them, If it's cold,that's turning is doing it there? Yeah,
it's you show the hand. It'sthe Kingdom beating the holy hell out
of this guy. And you knowthey lay him out in the first match
on the show and ass the openerthere, but they walk with their titles
whatever. But yeah, the bigthing is said, MGF takes a hilacious

(32:20):
beat down, and then you havethe broadcast team play up the question for
the entire pre show of whether ornot he's even going to be able to
defend his title when what happens ifhe doesn't, And then you get that
fiery, wounded, weary MJF promowhere he makes it clear that he's going
to defend that championship, and thenyou're going into the pay per view going,
wow, the champion's really vulnerable.This guy's beating up. What's going

(32:44):
to happen? I'm thinking there's atitle change, and title changes, you
know when they're foreshadowed like that,even if because there's no guarantee they're going
to they could have MGF sneak outof there with the title if they want,
but you know those do sell whenpeople think there's going to be a
title change. So that's I thinka way that I would con if I
were the one kind of laying thisout. I'm sure there's other good scenarios,
but that's the one I've kind ofconjured up in my mind. Yeah,

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So who do you want to bethe champion in the fall once we
get pasted all in and all out. Based on the different options that are
out there between those two, Ithink Adam Cole for the time being does
make sense. It elevates him.I don't think MGF needs it. I
think MGF chasing after that championship,they put some roadblocks in front of them.

(33:28):
You know, you know, youcan stretch this out for a while.
I think it's okay if Adam Coleis your champion and MGF just goes
on this journey to try to getthe title back, and they take their
time with it, and it's somethingthat goes into next year even not just
full gear and done, but theykeep this going. I think there's a
again, you could do the reunionwith the Pinnacle members, and there's just

(33:49):
there's other things you can do ideallyto keep this interesting and strong, and
they're going to be able to havetheir fingers on the Pulse ideally to know.
Okay, maybe it's we can't dragthis out as much as we ought
we could, or hey, thisis going great because I don't think they
had this whole vision for this thinglasting as long as it has. I
think they probably planned on getting tothe turn sooner, and it's just,

(34:12):
well, these guys have kind ofstruck gold and the ratings are there.
Let's let's drag this out, andthat's a good thing. I like that
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dot com. Yeah. I thinkfor a call to get over at the

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level that will maximize what I thinkhis potential is coming out of this.
MGF cole uh storyline is to bea champion for a while and to show
he can have really top shelf matches, top shelf promos, kind of like
the idea of Cole and Britt Bakerbeing together, seeing how they play off
each other and how unlikable that theycan be with each other. So but

(35:23):
you know, MGF being a longterm champion is nice too. I mean
it's not. It's not like it'sobvious that that Cole as champion would be
worth it because what you take awayfrom MGF because now you're moving MGF out
of the main event spot on payper views and he's pretty clearly a w's
top star right now, and nowyou're risking that for someone who has had

(35:45):
a shaky run and a W sofar. But I think it's worth a
Campbell. Yeah, I do too. I think it would be the best.
I mean it already has been.I would hate to see them just
bomb on this. If they stickthe landing, then this is my far
and Tony kind of too today theirbest storyline that they've done. Yeah,
not I mean of polarizing, butit can all it can come together if

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Cole has been faking it all alongto lure MJFF into a trap on Sunday
on the pre show that gives himan unfair advantage going into the title match
three hours later. And I thinkI think, other than the Cole teasing
from behind, that he was goingto attack MJFF when it's like, I
mean, how do you how doyou explain that? Like, what if

(36:28):
this were all real life and Colewas had a master plan to turn on
MGFF, he would not show hishand ahead of time? There's there was
no benefit to doing that. Imean, the explanation would be, well,
he thought of pulling the trigger onturning on him because MGF back was
turned to him and he had himor he needed him, and so he
got eager to turn on him soonerand take away the elements of a prize
and give MGFF but we can haveto recover. Like, I don't buy

(36:51):
it. I don't think that's agood I don't think you can rationalize it,
even if I give it my bestshot. No, I'm with you.
I didn't like that at all.Anything else on MJFF, Cole just
said, I'm not a fan ofthe videos. I think the Peyton Manning
football won with dodgeball was kind ofcute and for what it was. There
was one other that was okay,But the videos they put together, I

(37:14):
mean the one this week was theworst. I just sat there going,
how can these guys get it soright when they're in the ring together,
whether it's promos or matches, andthen they get they put they put their
heads together to come up with thesevideos and there is just low rent as
they are, and they were terrible. I like, okay, they went
to outback steakhouse because they're fighting anAUSEE tag team ha ha. There was

(37:36):
just the stuff backstage I didn't andthen Tony Khan basically spoofing himself for being
a pushover boss. Okay, Tony, how about you just not be a
pushover boss. There's yeah, therewas nothing about those that I really found
entertaining. And so it's not Ican't give a full throw and endorsement to

(37:59):
every everything they've done because I havenot been a fan of the videos,
but damn near everything they've done asfar as the mic work and the ring
and the angles have worked for me. Yeah, yep, all right,
So see I punk SMO Joe ifit happens, Because we're just speculating on
what match would need to be youknow, would cause a reshuffling of the

(38:20):
card based on what Tony eliminated andhis strong indications of something like that is
happening. Let's say Punk Joe happens, that both guys are prepable have happened
a match. What do you dohere? What are the pros and cons
of different approaches to this match?Chase? Uh? I mean you almost
have to have Punk leave with thisstupid real world title, no, because
it's already worthless now, and ifit just changes hands and goes to show

(38:43):
somehow, it becomes even more worthless, if that's possible. But they seem
like there has to be some sortof a story that they're telling with this,
So I would think Punk winds orretain somehow. But I gotta say
it's this is proof that they arenot either doing long term booking or they're
not doing it. Well, youhad Punk beat Joe with a roll up

(39:06):
in the second round of the owenHart Cup tournament, and you knew you
were going to go to Wembley withthem. Why it makes no sense?
Well, Joe did cover in thepromo like this should not. This isn't
a feud that should be concluded witha roll up, so they wanted to
pop. They wanted to get,you know, the kind of rating benefit
of a match, but not havethat kind of conclusive finish and say that

(39:30):
this finish isn't good enough, sowe need to have our our rematch at
the pay per view. I mean, I think that's their approach. I
don't. I don't hate that,I really do. I can only speak
for myself, but yeah, Ijust know when they were going to meet
again for the first time after allthose years, it felt big. Even
though it was the second round ofa tournament, it's still it felt big
to me. It was really lookingforward to it. And this time it's

(39:50):
like, oh, they're going tomeet again. I mean, it's cool
it said Wembley at all, butI just don't have that said. There's
not that same feel for me thatthere would have been had they just shown
discipline and wait until now. Andhe's right, I mean what he said,
it's not worthy of their feud orwhatever whatever the line was. And
now I know he meant it incharacter, but I'm looking at it going,

(40:12):
yeah, it's not you know,that wasn't worthy of what these guys
have accomplished a roll up finish,and I don't think they when they had
that roll up finish they were thinkingthat's a great way to transition to Wembley.
I don't think they knew what theywere doing at Wembley when they did
that. I worry a little bitmatch quality wise that because Joe is carries
more weight than he did back inthe back in the initial Punk Show feud

(40:36):
and Punk isn't. He's older andhe's never been like super strong, but
Joe is able to kind of createmovements and make it make it smooth and
easy doing stuff. I worry alittle bit about the match just looking clunky.
You know, they look bad onon Saturday Night. There's just spots
that that Punk does where you're like, oh, that's not where that's not
as good as it used to be. The same thing with Joe. Joe

(40:59):
still try to wrestle a little bitexhivision style at times, and it's like,
you know, at his age andwith caring more weight, it just
seems like a back calls. Iworry a little bit about them trying to
do something that just physically is illadvised at this stage where they are physically
compared to where they were decades ago. I think that's fair. Yeah,
And we saw a little bit ofthat in the first match, and you

(41:22):
know, will they try to dowill they get even more amped up to
when they're on the big stage andtry to do a little bit more than
maybe they should edge possible? Butyou know, I did enjoy the first
one. It's yeah, I meanit is again because you don't have that
My god, we're getting this matchagain after all these years, feel to
it. They took that away forreasons again to me just don't make sense,

(41:45):
and so that would have maybe carriedthem through. Were people, I
think even in that the match wedid get it, kind of willing to
overlook some things because they were excitedthat they were seeing that match again after
all those years, and you're notgoing to get that benefit this time.
Yeah, but we we absolutely agreethe real World title is silly. I'm
sure they have some sort of storylinein mind, but the execution of it,

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having the company basically endorse it asa thing is just as MJFF about
its existence even Yeah, yeah,because he's wrapped up in the Adam Cole
thing, which which really undercuts youknow, like I mean, I know,
MGF can caught a promo, especiallyif he loses to coal and and
Cole is champion, but they splitoff, then he's got a few waiting

(42:29):
for him, which is, youknow, Punk, you're out here claiming
you're the world world champion, andit cuts whatever whatever you know, framing
he puts around it that I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, take
away your last thread of claiming thatyou're something. But that involves Punk being
a heel. If MGF comes outas a baby face, and that works
in the sense because then they canturn the title heel also, But it
doesn't explain why the company hasn't hashas not distanced itself from it in an

(42:51):
official capacity. You know. Again, it comes down to the ring anouncer
and announcer Ian Ricabani you know said, well, quote marks around real world
champion. That's about all we gotin terms of any kind of official line
going. This is not actually achampionship. Just to casual if you or
be like this is some apparently thisis an official championship. The ring else
are saying, this is what whatPunk's title is. Yeah, I don't
like it at all. I justassume when they introduced it like okay,

(43:15):
it'll be over quick. They're they'reprobably gonna have it's not going to really
be a unification match as much aslet's just settle this punk never lost,
and so he's getting his title shotat all out and we're not getting that.
It doesn't seem anyway. There's beenno indications of that match happening yet
because again, none of the backstageinterviewers bothered to even ask mgf I,

(43:37):
Like, if they just put inthat two seconds of work to ask him
about the title's existence and he justignored them and rolled his eyes and walked
away, that would be fine.But there's nothing. Yep, it doesn't
make sense that Again, it's it'snever top shelf storytelling or booking at pro
wrestling when people aren't acting in away that feels like they naturally be acting

(43:59):
if this were real. And thatgoes to the announcers, interviewers, ring
announcers, and of course wrestlers.They need to say the things that fans
would expect them to say given what'sgoing on around them, and that has
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plus some random VIP bonus content.Okay, uh FTR against the on Bocks

(44:52):
Jason aw Aw World taking tolls onthe line. There's you know, some
politics here that they aren't really playingup. We got a video, a
couple of video packages kind of buildingthis up. You know. It's it's
it's not like FTR on the bus. It's not like the Bucks step up
and help promote their matches. It'sfrustrating. They're just like, hey,
we're gonna have a great match,and you should be. That's what we

(45:13):
do and that's all we're gonna do. There hasn't been a lot of backstory
otherwise, but does this match sellitself with you know, video packages and
and and a few comments here andthere from FTR on the bus, I
think to the audience that the diehardaudience yes, and all include myself in
that this time because it is amatch that I really look forward to between

(45:36):
the just seeing these teams again.They really are to the best of their
generation. And the match hasn't beenoverexposed. It's it should have maybe not
overexposed, that it should have happenedbefore now and all the politics would ever
happen to push this back have workedto the company's advantage that now it is
happening on this big stadium show.But again, the build to this,

(45:59):
they set each other names and that'sbeen it. It needed to be more.
Uh. It's there's an audience outthere watching that may not remember the
first two matches or also may lookat FTR going, yeah, these are
the guys that are having these amazingmatches and they're the champions. And then
the Bucks, Oh, I don'twatch them because if you look at the

(46:19):
ratings for the Bucks matches, alot of people are tuning out for those
matches. They're they're not riding onsome high way. They're just they're there
and they work hard, you know, in the ring, they have they
have their match and it's you know, it's a spectacle. But ideally they'd
be a lot hotter coming into this, and but they're not. And so

(46:42):
I think you needed to manufacture.Even if everyone Bowl teams are in a
great in a great place with eachother, come up with something and make
it feel genuine when you go ateach other, and they'll have their chance.
They said they're finally meeting face toface on Wednesday night, and when
it when they do, here's thehard part. Now, if you don't

(47:04):
at least have the Bucks make somereference to the cash Wheeler incident, none
of it's going to feel real.Yeah, how do you think Tony handled
that in the media call today?Poorly? As usual? You can say
more, You'll always can say more, And he said what I expected,
you know, And it's too bad. He's just that's who he is now.

(47:24):
He's maybe always has been, butjust never has an answer for these
things. And we need more information. And he couldn't even tell us just
outright when he was told. Heyou know, just never seems to want
to address these things publicly. Andyeah, there's legal, but it's not

(47:47):
aw legal. It's a personal matterfor cash Wheeler and I think Tony just
wants to make sure that he hashis bases covered, like if there's more
that comes out or something somehow thathe can say he didn't know that,
and if he did, damn it, he never would have let him work
on his show. I think that'swhere he seems to be. That's where

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most of his concern seems to lie. And yeah, I don't like it.
I think there was a better wayof handling this and just being for
once open about Hey, you know, yeah he didn't tell me. I
wish he would have, or hey, this is when I knew and the
rest of the locker room didn't.It was a personal matter and so we
kept it between us. And youcan second guess that if you want to,

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but that's the way we chose tohandle it internally. Something anything more
than you know, the usual.That's a great question, but here's why
I can't answer it. Or thematch is gonna be great? Yes,
Yes, it's gonna be a greatshow and all the usual, Tony,
there's a great hits between these teams. I'm so excited to present it.
Yeah, is there is there achance that the entirety and you heard the

(48:49):
converts call in the tone and thecadence of it all that the rearranging of
the show is actually has mostly todo with Cash, and that inevitably Tony
is going to do an angle towrite Cash off the show because you know,
maybe it doesn't want him traveling toLondon with an issue legal issue.
I don't know, you know,it could be, you know, from
a legal standpoint. I don't knowthe details on how all that works,
and I don't know enough about thiscase too strongly to have a strong opinion

(49:12):
on how it should be handled inthe short run. But is that possibly
the rearranging of the show that Daxis just going to need a new partner?
I don't think so. Again,I want to listen to that back
and I I thought it was oneof the matches he made made it seem
like it's was unaffected by whatever isgoing on. I could be wrong about
that, and if so, inyour Summery, he didn't come across from

(49:36):
me that that's what he was talkingabout, because that's not rearranging the show.
That's just you know, you droppedSean Spears in with Dax, you
know whatever. I don't even justthrowing a name out there or Warlow if
he's ready. I mean, butat that point, I bring in the
Lucher Bros. And just go outthere into a spot with best with the
box, because yeah, if it'sDax and somebody else, no thank you,

(49:57):
that's all the same. So Imean, I think from the legal
standpoint, as long as they canget Wheeler into the country and it sounds
like it shouldn't be an issue becausehe hasn't been proven guilty of anything,
then I just go through with thematch. Now, if Tony's upset that
maybe Wheeler didn't tell him when heshowed up, I can't blame him for
that, but I still do what'sbest for the business in the short term

(50:21):
and get him in this match andget it over with. If nothing else
and you want to punish him comingout of it, so be it.
But this is one of your biggestmatches on the stadium show, your biggest
show in history, maybe your entirehistory, for all we know, go
for it. You know you needto do this match if possible, and
I think it is possible, Soyeah, I go through with it.
And I don't even I mean,I think a lot of people are just

(50:44):
assuming the young Bucks win because ofthis, and maybe they do. If
I'm Tony, I wouldn't feel obligatednecessarily to do that, just based on
what I've seen of the report.Is it embarrassing the cat that he did
this allegedly? If everything that's inthat the person's lame. I can't remember
what the term for what was filed, basically what he told the police or

(51:06):
this person told the police, whateverit is. Yeah, it's it doesn't
look good for cash. It's certainlyI'm not condoning the behavior. But from
a legal standpoint, I would assume, because the guy has no priors,
it's a he said, she saidtype of situation and it's probably going to
be a slap on the wrist andsorry and move on. And so I

(51:27):
mean, this isn't like even thejudge was like, oh, it's not
a domestic You could tell the judgethat you've been surprised. And so when
I yeah, when I heard Dad, I'm like, Okay, I don't
think this is maybe it should I'mnot again, I'm not trying to say
that what he did allegedly isn't wrong. I'm just saying I don't think it's
ultimately going to be a massive dealfrom a legal standpoint for him. Yeah,
yep. Young Bucks resigned with thecompany multi year deal. Do you

(51:52):
think we're gonna get anything different fromthe Bucks going forward? And what do
you think about you know, wetalked about it, you you brought it
up any But I mean, isthere is there more to be tapped into
when it comes to Matt and NickJackson? Or is this just they're going
to be kind of in I don'tsay cruise Cruise controls is all right because
they they sprint and then they justlay low, you know, but they

(52:14):
sprint in the ring, but thenthere's not a lot that they're bringing every
week to the table otherwise in myopinion, and I think they could get
better, and I think they're goodenough to contribute more than they do.
And I think there's a bunch ofpeople we had, you know, some
emails from people just going I don'teven know who these guys are. I
couldn't tell you anything about Matt orNick. And you know, people who
watch being the Elite might have anidea, but that that's so many years

(52:35):
ago now in such a smaller audience, do you do you have do you
think there should be more that youget out of them with this new deal.
Should Tony have specifically asked for it? Or is this what you're gonna
get and it's fine. Well Ithink it's what you're gonna get, but
it's not fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's too bad. I
don't know why they haven't shown moreinterest in this, and I was not

(52:57):
impressed reading their comment. You know, the press release Slash Sports Illustrated story,
you know that wanted Mat considered retiring, and you know that's that's fine,
he has that right, but youknow the fact that it kind of
seemed like he had to be talkedinto coming back, and then Nick talking
and hangman both about the schedule.Hey, I have no doubt that that

(53:20):
is part of the big appeal forthem, And then that's a real thing
that AW can point to in talentnegotiations. Obviously, it's not what I'd
be putting out there and what shouldbe a happy moment and my guy,
you know, hey, the eliterback there staying with AW. I just
got to keep that to myself ratherthan not a big part of it's the
schedule. It's not that I lovethis company and want to, you know,

(53:42):
do everything. I can to seeit succeed. It's it's what's best
for me. Yeah, I wantsome day, uh for Matt Nick to
speak freely about how they feel abouteverything. The the Cony Cohn's answer about
EVPs and the roles of the box, well, so like, what what's
their role? Well, they werean inspiration for the company, and there's

(54:05):
been very few rest of him inEVPs. It's like there was nothing that
actually got to the heart of whatthe question was, which is what do
they do now? What does thatis? It? Is it just a
figurehead title? You know, Oh, they've had ideas, Okay, I
mean, but I mean it's anhonest I guess in that sense, it's
an honest answer. It backs upwhat I've been reporting for years and what
I hear, which is, youknow, Tony meets with them in their

(54:25):
in their locker room. You know, Bucks and Kenny hangout and stuff,
and they talked through stuff. Butthey're they're even you know, they're they're
very much not leader types, whichis fine if you're not hardwired that way.
I get. I mean, it'sno shame in that. And the
EVP title is sort of but itdoes feel like something given to them to
make up for not having you know, points and ownership. In twenty twelve,

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for PW Torch Vip members. Partto me, it feels like, well,
pretty surprised at the brothers and maybeeven Kenny, I don't know,
just didn't say like, hey,we're going to be the ones to address

(55:34):
the elephant the room. We don'twant to be EVPs this time around.
We just want to wrestle. Yeah, really, yeah, yeah. It
just seems like life would be easierfor them. And yeah, I don't
know what they get out of it. I mean, if there's some financial
incentive that Tony insists you, well, you must be an EVP to get
this much, and I do thinka big part of it those probably they
get health insurance and they so,Yeah, I mean I from the more,

(55:58):
I think like if that's part ofit, like their technically employees rather
than independent contractors, and the perksthat come along with that, I guess
I wouldn't give it up either,even if it was ceremonial. Yeah.
No, I mean I think that'sa good point. But maybe there's a
different title. But I mean EVPcan mean different things to different people.
People just project things on that.But you know what, the bucks they're

(56:19):
you know, I think like alot of rests are say they're happiest times
are the long road trips for verylittle money with dreams and and just the
bonding with their calls and getting onairplanes and traveling. I mean, you
know how many times did Matt complainand just look completely spent and beat having
to leave home and fly across thecountry and talk about it. But I

(56:42):
don't think it shows good judgment andgood leadership to complain about a job that's
your that's you know, in essence, your dream job, you know,
making presumably seven figures a year,well into seven figures a year, safe
safe assumption to be complaining about travelon camera. It's one thing that you
know, have those feelings, butto not have the judgment to not share
it. He spent more time complainingon being the elite about travel than he

(57:06):
hash talking in character on aw television. Yeah yeah, so I don't know,
it's not it's too bad that youknow, things didn't happen eight years
sooner, you know for them wherethey were just you know, younger and
hungry and not so beat up becausethey are beat up, you know,
and I mean Nick with you know, during the COVID era had setbacks and
issues and and you know he's reallybeat up, and Matt's really physically beat

(57:29):
up, and you know they crazythought wide work a different style. Yes,
yes, I know, yep,I know it's it's there, it's
there to be done. But thatwould be admitting Jim Cornett might have been
right. So or that word everyvetter in the tones that the guys to
slow down has eventually proven right,I know, yeah, totally totally yep.

(57:49):
All right, I'll come of FTRbox. I'm sure what's what's the
outcome of FTR BUX. I thinkthe shape is, you know, if
if I were a betting man,which you know I'm wrestling, I'm certainly
not but I would just because ofeverything going on, maybe it is the
Bucks, but yeah, I meanit also seems like a great opportunity to

(58:10):
swerve everybody. You know that oheverybody thinks that the Bucks are going Like,
if you take that out of it, I would say FTR should go
over. They're the ones with momentumthat the Bucks don't have any Their segments
are not drawing. Well if youfeel like, well, FTR is strong
enough that they can keep doing whatthey're doing without the titles, and maybe
this is what the Bucks need.I don't I mean, I can listen

(58:31):
to the argument, but I don'tthink so. I think FTR again without
the whole Wheeler situation. But youknow, Tony's got the info while he
says he's still looking to get moreor whatever. I mean, I don't
know. I just I don't knowthat I'd let this be the thing that
would end what they've accomplished with FTR. But I mean it's also possible way

(58:52):
that they were already leaning in thatdirection, like it was gonna be the
Bucks even before the cash Wheeler situationhappened. Who knows, Yeah, how
do I mean, who do youthink was that one? I think it's
kind of a toss up. Idon't have a strong feeling either way,
and that's a good thing. It'sa good thing. But at the same
time, it's also like, Idon't think the tag division is not stacked.

(59:13):
There's not like obvious to me,obvious matches that make it really smart
to go with one team or theother going forward, because it's just,
you know, there's sort of thesoft brand split and the take divisions watered
down by the trios titles, andit's just the division hasn't had focused So
I wish I had a strong repaintingcase, like this is definitely the right way
to go because look at what theycan do for the next nine months.

(59:35):
But I don't. I don't reallyfeel either way is all that is all
that much better. And basically,whether it has belts or not, they're
both going to be wrestling tag matchesand they're gonna be good matches, and
there's so many belts that who holdsthose doesn't matter as much as it should.
Sorry to be a doubter about it, but like I just care less
than I do about the future ofthe Universal Title or the the you know,
the w B undisputed title because it'sa long range without many title changes,

(59:58):
although obviously the set thing waters itdown, you know, and yeah,
yeah somewhat so all right here,Tony Storm Sorea Britt Baker four away
for the A e W Women's title, one of the two women's titles in
a w uh sheet out the champgoing into this match. Who are candidates
to walk out with the wealthy thing? I mean, she'd had just want

(01:00:21):
really all of them in a weirdway. Yeah, yeah, I can
make is the least for me.Well it's in England, otherwise I'd be
like, oh yeah, yeah andfamily spring. Tony Storm is awesome right
now. I'm really digging what they'redoing with the I worry she's gonna take
it. I liked it initially thischaracter a little bit more and that you

(01:00:44):
know, she found her voice andthis is great, going a little over
the top now compared to what I'dlike, but you know, hopefully she
just kind of is figuring things out. But it's it's good stuff. And
then she'd a retaining she just wonthe title as an option and then Baker
again, if you want to dothe whole thing where it's the power couple
with Adam Colin brig Baker's heels andthat mature and play for this too.

(01:01:08):
It does. Yeah, yeah,as you mentioned, so yeah, I
mean for different reasons than the tagtitles. But I don't I don't have
a super strong feeling. I don'tknow what the betting lines are, and
frankly, there's if they don't changethe title here, they can change it
on a future Dynamater collision or atall out, So in that sense,
it's just it's not this isn't likethe one prime time to change the title

(01:01:32):
and put it on someone else,because they can just have set to retain
and then just do a one onone or a three way or mix and
match and do a rematch at allout or have a big match like I
said, dynamatter collisions. So there'sno urgency I guess to my point,
and switching the title and putting iton someone that they are more committed to
going into the fall. It doesn'thave to be Sunday where that happens now.
I think Tony wants this to behistorically significant, vent that in the

(01:01:54):
Wikipedia listing of past champions gets mentioneda lot, and I do think there's
going to be you know, don'tabe used to do it when title change
is meant the least. And oneof one of the reasons they meant the
least is because they had this approach, which is, well, the pay
per view needs to have a titlechange to feel like it was worth people's
money to buy it. And it'slike, yes, but if you do
that all the time, and youdo it sort of flippantly, titles mean

(01:02:15):
less. Title changes mean less.You get the inflation where each title change
is worth less, and so nowit defeats the whole purpose of doing it,
and so there is at risk.But I do think Tony CON's approach
is going to have an eye onthat. Now. Maybe he thinks Cole
winning the world title is plenty andthat makes it historically significant. But I
do think if it's tie, isgoing to go to a title change so

(01:02:37):
it shows up in history books,says a more significant event. Yeah,
I think that's sure, right,let's do the We'll just do a Well
Osprey Chris Jericho next. I'm kindof an odd matchup, you know,
for people who want to see onea great Well Osprey match. Does Chris
Jericho have dream match? Does Jerifor sure. Yes, so of course.

(01:03:00):
I mean you kind of self promoteto the point of absurdity where people
don't take take you as credible anymore. I don't know what they're going to
get out of it, but youknow what, maybe Jericho slows it down
a little and they tell a nice, really good story. But people are
gonna want to cheer will Ouspray inthis situation. But they booked him as
a heel. It's it's the buildto this seems counter to. It seems

(01:03:21):
to be it has a headwind forthe story on TV to match the crowd
reaction on Sunday. And maybe awdoesn't care, but I mean I do
think it It isn't ideal. Jason, what do you think here? I
think as long as they say Jerichois long, he'll be happy. I
think Shami Gavar cost Jericho in thematch. Okay, yep, I gotta
I think we got an email onon Sammy Gavar two. We'll get to

(01:03:45):
Yeah, should Jericho I mean,should Jericho need I mean not that he's
scared to do a job obviously,But you know, sometimes an angle is
done because they want they like theangle, not because they're trying to avoid
somebody doing a clean job. SoI don't think this is a situation worth
jar what Jericho's done lately that youshould think. If well, it's Sammy
interfering us because he doesn't want todo a job on a big show,
I think that's one thing that doesn'ta big thing for him at this point.

(01:04:08):
No, especially if it's basically Sammyis joining their callis family asking,
That's what it would be, andit's it doesn't have to be on this
show. I mean, you know, that's the thing about some of these
finishes, Like if I'm predicting somesort of an angle, it could easily
take place at all out as well. I can see some fans thinking this
is not what we bought tickets forwhen it comes to a well ass bray

(01:04:28):
dream match. As much as theymight call it, Jericho might's frame it
as a dream match. Yeah,And to be fair, I'm sure like
to some fans this, I justdon't think it's a significant number. I
just think that the reaction I sensedwhen it was started to become clear,
like oh, this is really thematch they're going with, was a little
bit of disappointment. It's Yeah,it's just not what you want from Moss

(01:04:49):
Gray. It's you know, Jerichowanted to do at the Tokyo Dome and
he brought that up a couple ofyears ago whatever, and it's too bad
they couldn't. But yeah, I, like you said, doesn't mean the
match's gonna be bad. But Ijust look at him good. Now what
I was hoping for in a stadiumshow. Yeah, yep, I think
that's uh probably the not not consensus, but the majority opinion on this.

(01:05:13):
All right, then we've got thestadium stampede match with Luca Brothers best friends,
Orange Cassidady Kingston against Blackpool Combat Club. I demute to Sneeze against a
Blackpool Combat Club with Moxley, Claudioand Wheeler but no Brian Danielson, but

(01:05:35):
three wrestlers yet to be announced.Any idea who those will be? Jason,
I demute to Shay bless you.I know, I don't know,
I thought about it. I mean, it could just be let's bring in
some people from New Japan. There'salways Moxley's buddy Shooter Omano Rumino, and

(01:05:55):
then you know, I mean,who knows Shazuki. It could be something
like that. I just I mean, my god, this production team is
going to try to keep up withtwelve guys in a stadium. Yikes.
I mean they did find for thearena stuff. I think they're overdoing it

(01:06:15):
a little bit, but I cansee the appeal. I think the fans
in the building are going to havea lot of fun with this, and
the anarchy and the arena matches havebeen well received. I don't envasion them
turning this into comedy like this stadiumstampede the first two if they do have
a little wink in a nod tosomething euro football soccer related, so it'll
be it, just keep it briefif they want to kind of keep that

(01:06:38):
spirit going. But yeah, Ijust I think this will be very much
like Anarchy in the Arena, exceptin a stadium. And here's the thing.
Like most of the Blackpool Combat Clubmatches, I don't care who wins.
They just fight to fight and there'sno ramification, there's no follow that
just happens and we all just moveon to the next week when they fight
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you can add a few comments aboutwhat you like about the programs in
the comments section. Thank you somuch. YEP, it is a way
to get a lot of people onthe show. It's gonna not be a
short match, but it's going tobe a shorter match than if all these
wrestlers were in singles or regular takematches. So it does serve that purpose

(01:07:46):
too in terms of getting some peopleout of the show. I am curious,
as a sidebar, how many peopleare left off this show who really
want to be part of this showand want to be part of a w
history in this way. So I'mcurious how much this show, how much
gets added to this show. I'mstill waiting for the pre Show Battle Royal
Spectacular. Oh God, yes,yep. I mean of course that's gonna

(01:08:10):
that's gonna happen. Yeah, andI mean as long as you don't mind
spending the money to bring everybody overfor it, then yeah, by all
means do it, go for it. Yeah. Okay, So Darby Allen
and Sting against a R. Foxand Store of Strickland. This has had
as what the second most storyline buildbehind M Jeff and Cole? Is that
fair to say? Yes? Andit seems like it was a storyline created

(01:08:32):
by other wrestlers themselves, if Ihad to catch what we've seen, and
they've done a pretty good job withit. The two angles that wanted Nick
Wayne's father's garage training center was funand really well done, I thought.
And then the follow up, Ijust I did a double take seeing Sting
at some you know indie show withfifty people there whatever, it was probably

(01:08:53):
not even that that was cool,And then I guess the only thing I'm
looking at this going okay. Numberone, why is it a coffin match?
There's really a good, no goodreason for it. Number two,
why isn't Nick Wayne in this?Since he's the one who's brutally assaulted.
And number three, why is hejokers staying? Don't you do something where
oh it's something's happened to sting topull this out of him, not just

(01:09:15):
one day he wakes up in hissides. I'm jokers sting again, I
know, I know again. Itgoes to a w's pattern and Tony counts
pattern of well, our audience knowseverything that's ever happened, and if we
if we introduce it on our show, people are going to know the backstory.
We don't want to waste their timetelling them about it. And not
everybody has Tony Khn's brain in hisaudience. And this isn't I mean this

(01:09:40):
and this could have been Sting justwanting to do it, But you have
to have a leader who goes,wait that that isn't a big enough thing
to just drop on people without anexplanation. And it's just sort of dorky.
Yeah, I mean, it's easyenough to fall like, Okay,
the old guy will dresses like thecrow decided he wants to be the Joker
this week. But again, giveme a reason why don't just do it?

(01:10:01):
To do it? And then there'snothing here And I know I'm I
think I really am in the minoritywhen it comes to fans who were watching
t Anda back then. I wasnever a big fan of it anyway.
I just thought it was a Stingmaking weird facial expressions, and I didn't
think he was a good joker.But people seem to lap it up.
And it's one things where like Stingssitting there and they're gonna do it,
and he's like, you know,steep boarding goes hey, maybe I should

(01:10:24):
just go into my joker mode onthis, and and that'll that'll be novel
or that'll shake things up, andand and someone up behind the camera's like,
oh, yeah, yeah, thatthat sounds cool. That sounds cool.
Sting do that. And then hedoes it, and I like it
comes across as that's about as muchthoughts as went into it. Oh and
I don't know if you cut thispart, but Tony doesn't. He won't
be the one to tell Sting it'stime. So Staying could be wrestling when

(01:10:45):
he's one hundred and three years old. Yeah yeah, uh. I like
what they've done with aer Strickland,just you know, getting him, you
know, I think they've made itseem like he is worth being a heel
partner of Swirth Strickland. The thewhole faction, though, feels unnecessary and
like it's watering down Sword Strickland.I just don't think they've done enough to

(01:11:09):
build everybody else in that faction up. I just rather have it be Swerving
Fox. At this point, youcould say that about not the Swerve part,
but the whole faction seems unnecessary aboutalmost every faction in this company way.
But yes, I do agree withyou. I think Swerve enjoys being
like the leader of factions for someweird reason. I'm not a fan of

(01:11:30):
it either, and I even likesome of the people in it. I
have no idea what Prince not onstories, I always say like, I'm
sure there's some ROH VHS tape outthere from back in the day that explains
it. But you know, soif you were one of the people that
had a couple hundred people that gotthat one, you know exactly what's going
on. The rest of us,even those of us have been watching ROH
for years since, they have noclue what the point of this is.

(01:11:50):
But I do, like Gates ofAgne, I don't know why Brian Cage
is with this croup at Hall.He just looks out of place, and
for some reason he's doing some weirdold j to Sting and then it's never
ending tribute to Canyon, which isnice but just feels weird. There's other
ways to do it, especially whenyou lose all the time. There's a
lot of people better than you becauseyou lose all the time. Yeah,
yeah, which it feels delusional.Yeah it's Brian Cage is nod one,

(01:12:15):
but uh yeah, I don't likethe faction either. I don't like Gates
of Agony being this badass monster teamthat loses every time that they're on dynamite
with no contact. Yeah, it'stough for a team, like they gotta
have that honeymoon phase where they kindof plow through people, and we didn't
get that with them, and nowthey've just branded them as as being nobody's

(01:12:36):
yep. So yeah, full CircleSwerve would be better off without that kind
of baggage. Yeah, the extraneousappendages that just isn't necessary. But Darby
Allen has been a rising star.He has his star has risen this year.
He's been a rising star for years, but his leadership and his his

(01:12:57):
promos has worked really well. Andyou know, you know Darby Staying,
Nick, Nick, Wayne, Imean it's it's, you know, just
multiple generations. You know, they'rethey're just they're far enough a part in
age. Obviously much more Darby andStaying than Staying and Nick. But you
know, the Darby going from theprotege to the mentor has been a fun,
a fun thing to witness in hisjourney as a wrestler on National TV.

(01:13:17):
Yeah, Darby's been He's been unaffectedby the bad booking. You know
that others have struggled with, Likeat one point Hangman Page felt higher than
on the card than Darby and was. And yet no matter what they've given
Darby, he just seems to makeit work, and others have kind of

(01:13:38):
fallen down the card. And notthat Hangman's in a horrible place. People
still like him despite his action figuresare not selling the according to Shampunk,
but no, I mean, Ithink people still like him. There's kind
of waiting for him to get involvedin something again. But that's the thing.
Darby just seems to make the mostof his minutes and whatever they give
him, he makes work. Andthat he's just never watched that connection with

(01:13:59):
fans. Yep, it is Darbysomebody you would do different things within what
what they're doing with him, ordo you just kind of let him be
in that in that world where youknow, it does seem like you said,
he's kind of booking his own stuffand it's good stuff and he's got
you know, he just keeps kindof coming up with things or delivering on
whatever he's asked to do. Doyou just stay the course or do you
think, hey, there's they canget more out of him. I certainly

(01:14:21):
don't think he's overpushed. I don'tfeel like he's overpushed. He was just
in that four Pillars thing, soit's not like he can just thrust him
back into the main event picture rightaway. I'm not crazy about him the
whole TNT title thing necessarily, butI mean maybe it gives him jews to
that title and it needs it.I mean, Christian Cage is very funny

(01:14:43):
with it. But yeah, it'sit's it's something. But Darby, I
mean he's trying to do two thingsat once. Get this program over and
then also get over the TNT titlething. He's got going to Lujasaurus and
if anybody can pull it off.I think it's him. I think it's
okay to let him do his ownthing for now, and then there's gonna
come a time again where it's gonnamake sense, like, Okay, Darby,

(01:15:04):
we need you up here doing somethingwith the world champion. And if
I, if I were Tony Connor, I could get him to commit to,
hey, I'm not going to dosome crazy stunt that has nothing to
do with wrestling, and or evena crazy spot in a match that is
going to take me out of actionfor six months, then I would feel
comfortable even giving him a world titleran at some point. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:15:27):
I've been I've been against that,but I'm softening on whether he's somebody
you could do that with. Idon't want to have a hard and fast
rule about his size, his character, not having a world title run,
but it's it's it. I thinkthe longer ago he goes without it,
the more it's gonna mean when theyactually do it. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:15:48):
and I mean Darby against a babyface Darby against the heel Adam Cole I
think can work. Yeah, yeah, I really think it can work.
Okay, uh Kota Bushi Kenyo MagaHangman Page against Takeshta Jay White and Juce
Robinson. First, what have youthought of Bullet Club Gold lately, the
totality of Juth Jay and the guns, and yeah, just your thoughts on

(01:16:13):
that. First, I'm entertained bythe group. I still think the name
is awful. I still think it'sutterly ridiculous. And in twenty twenty three,
we're having a feud over who meansmore in Bullet Club, whether it
was the elite or these guys.And I just continue to say, wrestling
has this weird obsession with this factionthat peaked a long time ago. W
W has e OC Impact has thesetwo young talented guys it seemed pretty cool

(01:16:36):
and a Saucein and Chris Bay whoshould be coming up with their own cool
fresh stuff or Impact wrestling, andinstead they're out there doing the Bullet Club
hands sing bowls like everybody else.And I'm just over it. You know
it. Does it mean something inJapan? Sure Gray? Does it mean
something to some people? Sure Gray. I just don't need to see every
promotion doing this weird homage to BulletClub in twenty twenty three. And that's

(01:17:00):
with this match. I wasn't evenreally thinking of it when they set the
matchup. Until we got that promofrom those guys and they laid it out
that way, I'm like, oh, I'm now less interested in this,
and really, again, this iswhat we're getting out of Coda Abushi.
First it was a hardcore match,and now was it this? Yeah?
Well, who knows what he actuallyhas to deliver at this point? Should
they explain what the golden elite is? I don't think solden lovers. I

(01:17:25):
mean, should there be I mean, Prince Nanna, We don't know.
I mean like there's you know,jokers staying like or not or is it
just sort of hats It's not reallya long term thing in a W and
people know and if they don't,they can look it up and it doesn't
matter. Go it, Google it. Yeah yeah, our ex caliber can
just sprint through it in twelve secondsor twenty. Speaking of him, right,

(01:17:46):
this keeps coming up like who shouldbe the elite guy on Collision And
it turns out rickabon I and Ricamondiwas offered the job first, and he
doesn't want to give up his Saturdaynights because of his family, and that's
really admirable and cool and Kevin.Kelly's fine in that role. Why are
we having a discussion as to whyian Rickabani isn't the lead guy on Dynamite
instead of EXCaliber. I mean,that's obvious. He's there on doing the

(01:18:09):
Ring of Honor shows. He's betterand EXCaliber should be sliding back into that
Mike Taney professor role where he cantell you all the names of every you
know to pay sus Seed and allthat great stuff. Come. I mean
that one, just like nobody seemsto be talking about it. They keep
obsessing over Kelly versus Rickabanni. It'slike, no, that's not the debate
to be happening. Yeah, Ithink Tony likes Tony Kahn likes the chemistry

(01:18:33):
of you know, Taz and Shavannibeing on that show, and so does
Chevkan is wrong then I'm sorry,Yeah, well, I mean but yeah,
I mean, I'm just telling youI think where the mindset is,
which is, well, you know, we don't want to form in booth
and so you know, then wetake Tony Shavanni would not be part of
my broadcasting. Yeah. Well that'sthe thing I'm just saying. I think

(01:18:53):
Tony Kanna is mine in any kindof proposed rearranging. It's like he I
mean, I don't know that Tony. I don't think Tony invites confrontation when
things are going well enough, andit's not a priority because of how much
he has on is played, andso I think he's a type to leave
you know, well enough alone.But yeah, I mean Rick, the
lack of an emotional resonance in responseto key twists and turns and characters and

(01:19:16):
angles and storylines is a huge weaknessof EXCaliber and I think it hurts selling.
You know, is his nonchalance andflat delivery in response to things and
just you know is a is adetriment to the show. And and Ian
ricamani is is old school enough.It shouldn't be old school, but he's
old school enough to know the jobof Lely an announcer is to be emotionally

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Yeah, I think Kavanni is reallyup his game. To my My
biggest criticism of him when he wasyou know, when the old Sinclair version

(01:21:12):
of our wage was around, wasthat he was really good in the weekly
a TV show, didn't have thatmain event call when it came time for
the big pay per view match.That's changed. He has it now and
he's just, I think the bestplay by play guy that they have at
this point. I would want himin that position to make it simple.
Yeah again ex caliber and the thirdman position tas on color. And you
know when I say I wouldn't haveTony Chavanni on my bra I mean at

(01:21:35):
the broadcast table. I think there'scertainly a place for Tony Chavanni is an
interviewer even like instead of you know, it's come to this point where I
write drink every time they mentioned thatTony Kahn. Just told me I would
just have Tony Chavanni like be theface of management and that way we don't
need this non you know, thenever ending references to Tony Kahn. Yeah,

(01:21:57):
yeah, I would. I wouldnot be against him being sort of
the Adam Pierce of the company.Yeah yeah, what have we not covered
or did we hit it all?I mean we've t Yeah, I don't
have the line up in pronimation.Yeah, yeah, So, I mean
I don't know what the outcome ofGolden Elite against Vocal Golden CASHTA is.

(01:22:19):
I mean, yeah, you do, well, Okay, I don't know
the point. I don't know theI don't know what story is going to
drive at other than yeah, justa happy ending. So well, go
ahead, and what is there anykind of angle that comes out of this
that that makes sense to you?I don't think. I mean, they've
just been so separated. I mean, I look, it could be as

(01:22:41):
I guess I'll back up. MaybeI spoke to you should on that,
because it could be a set upfor something. They want to do it
all out. It's not like youneed to have a clean finish in this
match. So I mean, ifwhatever the whatever this whole thing is is,
we get to the final resolution part, you gotta think the Elite members
are going over Yeah, yeah,all right, So I circle back.

(01:23:01):
Now we've talked about it for anhour plus. Do you think this will
be a well received show in termsof what people are are looking to get
out of it? Can we throwout the polarized fans who are going to
complain and probably not even watch theshow. Let's let's start there. Yeah,
yeah, and they exist way toomany on bullshats, I hope.
So, you know, I reallywant this to be a success for this

(01:23:26):
company. It's amazing that they've youknow, Antony's been fair about it.
He's not saying we've sold eighty thousandtickets, He's saying we've distributed to eighty
thousand tickets. I think that's admirablerather than you know, wwe, Well,
the janitor was there and he counts, and you know, they're not
doing that. And no matter whetherthey sell eighty thousand or they'd come just
shy of it. That's amazing fortheir first time over there, and I'm

(01:23:47):
really happy. I was thinking thirtyfive is going to be great, but
what are they going to do withall the empty seats? Camera wise?
Yeah, I thought, hey,if they under thirty thousand, yeah,
probably a failure, not worth doinganything. You start to get over that,
like that's awesome. And the factthat they've sold fifty thousand more than
that mark is prettier close to itis really amazing. And so I want

(01:24:09):
this to be the special show.And I think That's where AW defenders lose
their way is they don't get thatthere's a lot of people that really want
a dole to succeed. And whenthey're criticized, it's not coming from a
place of screw AW, we wantedto collapse and burn. It's we want
this to be as good as itcan be. And yeah, that's I

(01:24:30):
really want to see AW put itsbest foot forward. I want to see
them be able to be able togo back there, maybe not do eighty
thousand, but you know, maybebe able to run Wembley again. And
so will it be? I surehopes. I'm gonna lean yes because I'm
gonna think with my heart in thiscase, wait and say that, Yeah,
I want this to be a verygood show, and therefore I'm gonna

(01:24:51):
I'm gonna will it to be.Do you think they can draw equal crowds
at Wembley based on this lineup ordoes it just depend on where they are
a you're from now? If theyturn it into a summer try to make
it an annual summer event, ordoes this feel like a novelty one off
and it would be a big lectownif they do it again. To me,
it feels like a one off.But I want to see the show

(01:25:12):
and I want to get a senseof what the fan reaction is when the
you know, just kind of peoplethat are attending how they feel about it.
And I think this is one wherethat's going to be significant. And
you know, I'm not sure.It just seems like Wembley when they there's
big events at Wembley, they andnot just wrestling but other other things.

(01:25:32):
Obviously, people really tend to gravitatetoward that in a major way. So
if the reviews from fans attending arereally positive, they enjoyed the experience,
I don't know that eighty thousand necessarilyit should be the goal. But if
you can go back to Wembley anddo I know it sounds like a significant
drop, but it is, Butfifty thousand, I mean it's it's the

(01:25:55):
second time through, and ideally you'regonna be in a better place and you're
gonna be able to put a betterhard together and all of that. I
don't think that's something that we shouldrule out. We saw how hot TNA
was of all shit companies. Imean for something pardon my French, but
I mean, seriously, if there'sso much of that company's existence. It
was awful, and they would goto the UK and those fans would lap

(01:26:16):
it up. That is a rabidwrestling crowd and I'm looking forward to seeing
it. And I think the greatpart of it is unless Mike Bailey ends
up debuting for AW on this show. And it's not that I've heard that,
but I won't have to hear themsinging that stupid Bailey song anymore,
at least for the AW shows.That's the one part. I love the
UK fans but and I love thatone originally, but they've run that one

(01:26:39):
into the ground. So Jason,is there anything else a w related here
on your mind to talk about ratings? Non all in related stuff. I
guess I'll just close it on onmy end by saying I want there to
be differences between Collision and Dynamite.That there are, but I do think

(01:27:01):
that there are things they can takefrom Collision to bring to Dynamite to slow
the paste down a little bit,and they would still be different enough shows.
It's too much. They're just stillcramming way too much into Wednesday nights
and it's I mean this again,the pay per view build that they did
just cramming everything into the last twoweeks, and I know there are certain

(01:27:23):
people that didn't have access to butI want to say there was like seven
heel beat downs of baby Faces allin one night, and it's just it's
overkill and they need to spread thisout and collision. I've enjoyed the show,
but these last two weeks it's beenthe book end segments and you can
pretty much miss a good portion ofeverything in between. So maybe they need

(01:27:45):
to, I don't know, tothrow in one more meaningful segment or match
or something into that show. ButI am enjoying it. It's an easy
watch, and yeah, I thinkthat kind of sums up where I'm at
with AW. I think quality controlfrom segment to segment and stepping back and
looking at the totality of the showis is a thing to show up if
you're Tony Khan. I mean,there's just too many things that happen in

(01:28:08):
one segment that then happened in thenext segment, and there needs to be
somebody looking at this going, Okay, you guys figure that out, and
you guys plan this out and thenlater in the show, we've got this.
But they're all too similar. Weneed the producers to get together,
the coaches whatever and and tweak thisso because we can't have three of the
same thing happening. And Tony needsto have time or someone he delegates that

(01:28:29):
too, because that does happen.Yes, I agree, same thing.
You know that would be guilty ofit too with the distraction finishes. That
just got ridiculous for a stretch oftime. And then there's you know,
got decades ago there'd be like,oh, it's it's ref bumps. It's
ref bumps summer in WCW. That'syou know, it's like, come on,
stop it, you know, likeit just it's it can be contagious
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