September 26, 2025 • 23 mins
TC Martin and Marco D’Angelo go behind the scenes with Westgate Sportsbook Vice President John Murray. They break down the biggest week in College and Pro Football and reveal which teams are drawing the sharpest money.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Business as usual over the super Book with our good
friend John Murray, and John is holding down the four
for us at the Westgate here and we go behind
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
You know what you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You got to go to the West Gate and go
to the super Book and get down on your action there.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
John, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
How you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
What's going on? Fellas? Watching the Ryder Cup here? Man?
They don't have anybody in this country they can make
a three foot podcast. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Let's throw Yeah, I'm watching it.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, I'm watching a little ride of cup here that
all we do is miss these five footers, man, three footers.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Come on, guys, what kind of betting action are you
getting on the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
That's a good question. It's not a good betting event.
It's not a good betting event because you've got the
pairings come out so late, you've got a very limited
amount of time to actually take wagers on them. Other
than just that betting to left the cup left the trophy,
which is decent. There's really not a lot of action
on the Ryder Cup, but I just think I just
enjoy watching its rooting for the team US.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
John, what is probably the biggest international you know, uh,
maybe not your you know, the conventional wisdom. So obviously
we're not talking about you know, NFL games in Dublin, Ireland,
which we have this week and this and that, but
just you know, some of the other things that these
international events that that you get. I know, obviously World
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Cup is huge, we get that, but.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
What are some of the other other ones?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, I think Champions League soccer, you know, Champions League soccer.
Champions League is similar to the NCAA tournament, and then
it kind of runs and reverse in terms of about popular
and as betting wise, we get our best Champions League
handle early in the tournament when the when the people
can parlay all the favorites together, and then it kind
of tails off as you get into the of the
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knockout play and then the Champions League finals usually a
very big, very good betting event for US. You mentioned
the World Cup. The Euro Soccer tournament last summer was
really good for US. The COPA America was really good
because it was being played in the United States. The
time zones lined up well. I'd say soccer soccer internationally
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is is pretty good for us business wise, definitely the best.
The World Cup's the best of Flaw and the World
Cup was showing us next summer.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
We talked a little American football. Now.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Last week in the NFL, favorites went ten and six,
but we had seven one score games, several decided late,
and we know how exciting it was down the stretch,
you know, for so many of these games in the
at the super book there. Coming up on our last Sunday,
I should say talk a little bit about how the
week went for you guys.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Pretty good.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I mean we've been okay with the We did okay
in the morning, actually better than okay in the morning.
We really needed NVER in the afternoon game and the
Chargers usin Herbert's Man incredible play there team all and
may up winning the game by three. And then they
did very poorly on the the Sunday night games, and
Russell Wilson went back to like factory settings, I guess
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after the Dallas game and like you know, looked looked
like he'd never thrown a football in his life. That
was really a terrible result for us. And then we
did bounce back on Monday night with Detroit beating Baltimore.
That was that was a good result for us. So
it was going up and down all week. Uh not nothing,
nothing super. But it's not like we got carried out either.
It's just sort of a forgetable bottom line, but some
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very rememberable games. And you know obviously that Rams line Rams,
excuse me Rams. Eagles game was one of the craziest
finishes I've ever seen, and from a points start.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Perspective, John, the game that you kind of just brushed over, though,
you guys had to make a killing in the green
Bay game because that knocked out all the teasers, all
of the money line parlays the doubt.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
It's totally right, green Bay. That was our biggest way.
We often did very well in the Chicago game, Chicago
beating Dallas in the afternoon. But yeah, green Bay, we
finally got, like to your point, mark, we finally got
a favorite of more than three points lose a football game.
And we certainly felt lucky about that one because I
don't know what Jordan Love was looking at. I don't know.
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Maybe the receiver went the wrong way. I don't know
what the hell happened, but you know Cleveland got gifted
that one for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Jrum Murray joins us.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So we're at the super book Marko D'Angelo in studio
in Vegas, TC Martin here at the Gamebridge Field House
in Indianapolis. John, what kind of action are you seeing
on these w NBA playoffs? Now we're into the semi
final round and obviously the Aces have been large favorites
in games one and two, still a favorite here tonight
around four and a half. You can update us on that,
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but just overall talk about the action and then also
specifically this series, we.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Have the Aces minus four right now that we had
a sharper player that we respect took the fever at
plus four and a half. Pretty good action both in
terms of the game to game and the futures book.
I mean, you guys probably know this, but we I mean,
the guys are mostly all rooting for the Aces, of course,
but they are our worst outcome in the future book
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for sure, and from a futures perspective, we would actually
want to see one of the teams in the other
semifinal talking about the Links and the Mercury. We want
one of those two to win the title. But pretty
good handle. Still a lot of sharp panel on the WNBA.
I teased Marco about that before. It's definitely a it's
definitely a wise guy driven sport, and tonight we've seen
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sharp money on both the dogs and.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
You got one sharp guy who just loves playing these
player props as well too.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
In studio.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
All well aware of that. That's why, that's why I
like it when the show is off property, so you
can't nail us here, the little old lest you know
what I mean, keep Marco out of here.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It's been good. I get a lot of been joined
because I watch the w NBA games and go to
them and bet them. But you know what, you know,
it's it's a market that you know, I think I've
got an edge on. I'm gonna take advantage whenever I can.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Well, that's that's really spoken like a true wise guy.
I mean, if if somebody, you know, if somebody told
me they had they thought they had an edge and
w NBA player props, I would believe them. If somebody
told me they thought they had an edge and NFL sides.
I'm not saying nobody does. Okay, there are people, There
are people and syndicates out there that are that good,
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but it's very few and far between. I think you'd
agree with me on that, Marco. I mean, it's not
it's a very difficult market market to beat, and that's
why you can get down a lot more money on
an NFL game than you can on a w NBA player.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Props absolutely. John. Switching to Saturday college football, though, I
got to ask you, We've got some really good marquee
games this week, you know, kind of like that the
first that we had with some big matchups, and obviously,
you know, being the Pennsylvania boy, I got to open
with you, and how's the action going in the Penn
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State Oregon game? And is the public ignoring James Franklin's
record against the top ten teams?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
You know? You know, actually right now, you're some of
our friends are gonna like hearing this. Oregon is a
pretty square dog. You know, there's been a lot of
money on Oregon here. We had we did see some
sharper play on Penn State early in the week. It
looks like we're actually gonna need Penn State in that
one Tomorrow night. That's an awesome game, really awesome college
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football Saturday, guys. I think that that's probably the game
I'm looking forward to the most. I think the book's
gonna need Penn State. I kind of like Penn State myself,
but uh, there's some really good games tomorrow. It's gonna
be an awesome day a college football.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Penn State a three and a half point choice.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It's gonna be the white out too bad to you're
not going to be there, Mark, I know you want
to go to the Penn State white out game when
you went to.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
A couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
But this is interesting because you know the Oregon the
knock on Oregon will always be okay, can they handle
the physicality and that sort of thing. But Mark, you
bring up a great point, and it's hard for me
personally to back James Franklin against any real strong team.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
And I don't care if it's home or away.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I mean, you know you're gonna get vanilla play calling
on offense. You're gonna get some goofy fourth down calls
that he's gonna be on an island all by himself,
and it's tough.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It's tough.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know, Penn State against you know, some of these
you know, lower echelon teams. It's one thing, but you know,
when when they face a team that is is just
as good or you know, maybe even has better speed
than him on offense, I don't know. I don't know
how much credence I'm putting into the Penn State home
field advantage either.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And again I.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Think that both quarterbacks are maybe you know, a little
bit you know, overrated, especially with Aler because we've seen
enough of him over the past few years, right and
as far as more for for Oregon, what we've seen
so far has been nice, but against you know, you know,
not great competition. So it's kind of a hard game
to handicap. But I think I would take any points
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I can, and going against James frank James Franklin.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
TC, I got to say that the fact that this
you know, we know about the history of the white
out and it just drives me crazy though when they
have a whiteout game and they use it for a
twelve o'clock start, that defeats the purpose. The fact that
this is gonna be Saturday night in Happy Valley. Oregon
has not faced the team since joining the Big ten
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on the road, like they're going to face on Saturday night.
And I think James Franklin the first, you know, a
couple of games they played nobody's they didn't have to
really open up the offense. I think this is the
game they take the reins off from Drew Allard. They
got him weapons this year. This team is fully stocked
and loaded if they're ever gonna make a run for
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the championship. And remember they only missed basically by from
one or two plays last year to actually be playing
for the national championship last year. I think he gets
the job done. And we talked about that stat he's
won in eighteen since being at Penn State when he
plays against a top five team. Fortunately, Oregon is just
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outside the top five, they're number six, so maybe that'll
give him a little confidence.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I love that when you say if we hear this
a lot when people analyze games or handicapped games to.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Go, well, if you know this happens, blah blah blah. Okay.
The next the next two words in that is James Franklin. Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And that's where I lose it at It's like, yeah,
they've got the personnel they've got the talent, but what
this guy does with in game situations, I can't think
of another college coach that that does some of these things.
And we viilify this guy a lot, and he continues
to keep his job, but again, you know, in the
biggest games, it continues to happen. I don't know, John,
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what's your take on on on James Franklin and what's
your take on this game?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Well, I think I agree with what Marco said about
Penn State. I feel the same way he does. But
it's hard to trust James Franklin. Guys. You know, past
Stay should have never lost that semi final last year
against a Notre Dame team that had a number of
key linemen hurt and they had every opportunity to make
the national championship. They blew that game. I think alers
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through a terrible pick in the end of that game.
But no, it's it's difficult to trust Franklin, and it's
hard to understand coaches that have the talent that he
has at his disposal and are still running vanilla plays.
I don't know what Alar is going to look like
at the next level, but for now, I think he's
considered like a top five ticking the draft. So why
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are you being so vanilla? Why aren't you going for more?
I'll never understand teams that have top tier talent and
won't let go of the rains.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
John, Let's talk about Alabama and Georgia. Another marquee game.
This one was a.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Wild one last year, and we got Georgia three and
a half point choice. It seems like the three and
a half number, both on the NFL side and the
college side, is a very popular, you know number coming
up this weekend.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, it was for sure, you're right, but you know,
there's so much money on Alabama now that we're actually
down to Georgia two and a half. So we've taken
a lot of money on Alabama yesterday and especially today,
So right now we definitely would want to, we'd want
to need to favorite of that game, want Georgia in
that game. Tons of money pouring in on the Crimson Tide.
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That's another great game. I mean usually said it already, DC,
but the only shamans those two games are the same time,
because those are two the best, really two of the
best college seball games of the whole regular season, in
my opinion, I mean, they have to be right.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
They are gonna look at the l s U Old
Miss game. What are you seeing there? Ole Miss a
one and a half point favorite at home.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, I saw all respective play on both ole Miss
minus one and a half and the money line ole Miss.
So ole Miss got the backup quarterback in there. But
I think there's some questions about just how tough LSU's
schedule has been. You know, on paper, it looks so
good they want at Clemson, they beat Florida, but now
it's starting to look like, well, neither neither one of
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those teams any good, especially Clemson. Okay, So I think
it's a it's a real test for for the Tigers
tomorrow at ole Miss. That's not a great game. That game,
thankfully's in the afternoon.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
John, there's a game on the docket for tomorrow that
doesn't have the Marquis status to some of these other
ones do. But if by like Memphis last week against
Arkansas for the reason of who they were playing this week,
then that means I got to come back with Arkansas.
If they did get caught looking ahead last week they
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got Notre Dame, then where are you seeing the money
in this game.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Well, Arkansas sure blew that game. I don't know about
from a cover perspective. Were they sure blew outright winning
that game, that's for sure. I unfortunately watched a lot
of that game. There's been a there's been a little
support for Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
We got down to Notre Dame minus four, touched the
money at four, moved up to four and a half.
Most of the public tickets are on Notre Dame. So
I'd say right now and expect Arkansas would be one
of our needs in the nine am window tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
John, Let's go look at the NFL. We got some
pretty good games coming up on Sunday. Which games are
you seeing the most action and line movement up until now?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
It's cheating, but you have to say Atlanta because the
quarterback situation with Washington. Atlanta is now two and a
half points favorite after being a dog most of the week.
They will get a commit enders team without Jayden Daniels
again and without Terry McLaurin. So that's a tough one
for Washington going out. Atlanta. They bet Detroit. They bet
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Detroit up from nine and a half salmony. Detroit's gonna
be a real popular survivor pick. I think it's a
very interesting week and that you've got all these big favorites.
We've actually seen our Sharper players on some of these favorites.
We took sharp money on Houston minus seven, and we
took sharp money on Denver minus seven moved them to
seven and a half. So so Sharper groups actually playing
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these favorites and moving the favorite price is even higher here.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I see, well you could probably see that. I mean
in that Houston Tennessee game, you know, just just going
against these these teams that you know are having problems scoring.
And again, you know, after you know, watching cam Ward
for the first three weeks, I think people are thinking, okay, again,
you know this is this is the guy who may
not be ready, especially against you know, real good defenses
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in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And Houston definitely has that.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Houston has problems scoring, understand that, but you know, Houston
at home, you kind of figure that they maybe do
for a double ditch of victory here.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, and you got to say that that does look
like there's something wrong in my opinion with Ward. I
don't know if maybe it's an ankle injury, but on
the other side. C. J. Stroud isn't terrible this year,
so I don't know if he's banged up or if
it's the offensive line, but you know, he's thinking back
to the last year. He's coming off that Rookie of
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the Year season. He's being talked about. Is essentially a
lead quarterback in this league. He didn't really have a
good season last year. They did win the division, they
did win a wildcard game against the Chargers, so it's
not like last year was a total disaster. But so
far his third season has been a complete disaster. He's
been awful.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
John the game that we had a change of quarterbacks
announced early in the week and we're talking about Jackson Dark,
you know, getting his first NFL start. What did you
guys do with the books whenever you got that announcement,
Did that move the line one way or the other?
You guys figure at this point it's a wash between
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Russell Wilson and him.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Well, you know, the Chargers line went up a little
bit up now it's at six and a half, and
then we did see some sharper play on the Giants
plus six and a half, But to me, there's no difference.
I mean, Russell Wilson was absolutely terrible last week. He
looked terrible leak one against Washington. I don't know what
Dallas was doing defensively in Week two, and he actually
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looked capable, But even when he had his moments in
that game, he was basically destroying the ball for grads
and receivers are making plays. So I don't see how
the Giants can get any worse with Darting there than
they already were with Wilson in there. I don't think
it should be a big line move.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Okay, you're gonna have Steeler terrible tiles waving into sports
book at six point thirty on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
You have to tell me I'll be watching soccer. That's
too early for me. I think. I think right now
looks like we need the Steelers a little bit. There's
a little bit of money on Minnesota, so Minnesota obviously
look great on Sunday and putting it mildly against Cincinnati.
So tough ones from Pittsburgh having to go over to
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Dublin and play the Vikings. I'm not a huge fan
of the European Games, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Guys, Yeah, there we go, and I don't think not
many people are gonna be waiving any towels in the
super book at six point thirty in the morning. Okay,
I mean maybe Marco's friends may have some bloody Mary's
going to that point in time.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I just think you can. You can have your own
private party, maybe at your house. Marco, six thirty in
the morning, advise sleep in, don't don't watch this game.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I got a live It's gonna be painful for you anyway.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
I got a live teaser going to Pittsburgh from Arizona
in the last night, so I already have invested interest.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
You know who else, guys, I don't know if you
heard this or not. Isn't real happy about this whole ordeal?
Is Aaron Rodgers? Yeah, your quarterback. Marco saying like, well,
you know, they didn't leave until until Thursday evening, so
they really didn't get there until Friday. And Aaron's saying,
why couldn't we come like Monday or Tuesday? He goes,
you know, I'm a historian. I really enjoy, like, you know,
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you know, seeing these other foreign countries, and yeah, I
was really looking forward to to spending some time there
in Ireland. And and now we can't even go out
and do anything.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Where's Aaron Rodgers head at? Just listen to what he's saying.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Oh, he actually said TC. In an interview, somebody asked
him what he was looking forward to most of going
to Dublin, and he said, I can't wait to get
a Guinness on draft. That's my favorite year.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Of course, that's true.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Wait a minute, Marco, Aaron Rodgers can't afford to go
to Dublin in the offseason.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I was thinking the same thing, John.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Stopping the driver from going to Dublin. This guy probably
makes like fifty million dollars a year. He can't fly
to Dublin for a week and hang out.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, go play some go play some golf.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
You know. Well, I'm with TC. Where is this guy's
head at? Man, I mean, these guys are these guys
are not going to Dublin for vacation. I mean they've
got they've got a professional football game to play on
Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Wow, all right, Minnesota and the Steelers in Dublin six
thirty in the morning.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Set your alarm clock, you know for that one. All right?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Any other games, John did Is are moving the needle
a little bit on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Well, I think the most interesting thing is the two.
Like I would say premium games, it's controversial, but you've
got Baltimore Kansas City. That's not controversial. That one's in
the afternoon, one five local. There hasn't really been any
sharp money either way in that one. So right now
we've got Kansas City plus three at home second time.
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Kansas City has been a home dog this season, which
is kind of interesting. And then the Sunday night game,
you've got green Bay at Dallas. Dallas the course, let's
say struggling defensively, but you know, green Bay really hasn't
been great on offense either. It's been their defense. It's
been show outstanding in their early season starts. But I
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think there's not a lot to report betting wise either
of those two games yet. And that surprises me because
those are two very high profile matchup from Yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Know, I looked at that game too, and I can
probably see that. I think people have a problem picking
a side in the Ravens Chiefs games. Like I said,
you want to have some action on it. I mean,
it's one twenty five Pacific time. But again, it's like
what you know when you got Lamar Jackson, and he's
prone to blowing up, especially against good defenses. And you
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saw what he did the other night or you know,
Monday night.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
That was horrid.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
And then you know the Chiefs, it's like, oh, here
we go. I think we all are thinking the same
thing that this team is on a little bit of
a downward slide.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
But you know, do you want to play the Chiefs?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yes, they're at home, but against Baltimore, who you know,
talent wise, probably has better talent the Chiefs. I think
it's a hard game to handy cap and where that
line is set with you guys, it's it's even tougher.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Well, Baltimore is a hard team to trust. Yeah, you know,
you say what you want about them, but they're a
great front runner if they get the lead, and there's
probably nobody in the league better better at playing from
ahead and Lamar Jackson. But when they are in these
close games, when they have these games where they need
to pick up a third downar maybe even get a stop,
they haven't shown the ability to do that, and that's
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why they've already lost twice this season. It's very interesting
how a team that I think we all agree has
a good coach, and we all agree has this great quarterback.
They sure lose a lot of close games and a
lot of big games.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
That's right, absolutely correct. All right, John, appreciate the time.
As always, We'll let you get back to work there
and we look forward to seeing you next week. All right, guys,
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
You know what you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You got to go to the West Gate and go
to the super Book and get down on your action there.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
John, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
How you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
What's going on? Fellas? Watching the Ryder Cup here? Man?
They don't have anybody in this country they can make
a three foot podcast. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Let's throw Yeah, I'm watching it.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, I'm watching a little ride of cup here that
all we do is miss these five footers, man, three footers.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Come on, guys, what kind of betting action are you
getting on the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
That's a good question. It's not a good betting event.
It's not a good betting event because you've got the
pairings come out so late, you've got a very limited
amount of time to actually take wagers on them. Other
than just that betting to left the cup left the trophy,
which is decent. There's really not a lot of action
on the Ryder Cup, but I just think I just
enjoy watching its rooting for the team US.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
John, what is probably the biggest international you know, uh,
maybe not your you know, the conventional wisdom. So obviously
we're not talking about you know, NFL games in Dublin, Ireland,
which we have this week and this and that, but
just you know, some of the other things that these
international events that that you get. I know, obviously World
(01:33):
Cup is huge, we get that, but.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
What are some of the other other ones?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, I think Champions League soccer, you know, Champions League soccer.
Champions League is similar to the NCAA tournament, and then
it kind of runs and reverse in terms of about popular
and as betting wise, we get our best Champions League
handle early in the tournament when the when the people
can parlay all the favorites together, and then it kind
of tails off as you get into the of the
(02:00):
knockout play and then the Champions League finals usually a
very big, very good betting event for US. You mentioned
the World Cup. The Euro Soccer tournament last summer was
really good for US. The COPA America was really good
because it was being played in the United States. The
time zones lined up well. I'd say soccer soccer internationally
(02:21):
is is pretty good for us business wise, definitely the best.
The World Cup's the best of Flaw and the World
Cup was showing us next summer.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
We talked a little American football. Now.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Last week in the NFL, favorites went ten and six,
but we had seven one score games, several decided late,
and we know how exciting it was down the stretch,
you know, for so many of these games in the
at the super book there. Coming up on our last Sunday,
I should say talk a little bit about how the
week went for you guys.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Pretty good.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I mean we've been okay with the We did okay
in the morning, actually better than okay in the morning.
We really needed NVER in the afternoon game and the
Chargers usin Herbert's Man incredible play there team all and
may up winning the game by three. And then they
did very poorly on the the Sunday night games, and
Russell Wilson went back to like factory settings, I guess
(03:15):
after the Dallas game and like you know, looked looked
like he'd never thrown a football in his life. That
was really a terrible result for us. And then we
did bounce back on Monday night with Detroit beating Baltimore.
That was that was a good result for us. So
it was going up and down all week. Uh not nothing,
nothing super. But it's not like we got carried out either.
It's just sort of a forgetable bottom line, but some
(03:38):
very rememberable games. And you know obviously that Rams line Rams,
excuse me Rams. Eagles game was one of the craziest
finishes I've ever seen, and from a points start.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Perspective, John, the game that you kind of just brushed over, though,
you guys had to make a killing in the green
Bay game because that knocked out all the teasers, all
of the money line parlays the doubt.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
It's totally right, green Bay. That was our biggest way.
We often did very well in the Chicago game, Chicago
beating Dallas in the afternoon. But yeah, green Bay, we
finally got, like to your point, mark, we finally got
a favorite of more than three points lose a football game.
And we certainly felt lucky about that one because I
don't know what Jordan Love was looking at. I don't know.
(04:21):
Maybe the receiver went the wrong way. I don't know
what the hell happened, but you know Cleveland got gifted
that one for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Jrum Murray joins us.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So we're at the super book Marko D'Angelo in studio
in Vegas, TC Martin here at the Gamebridge Field House
in Indianapolis. John, what kind of action are you seeing
on these w NBA playoffs? Now we're into the semi
final round and obviously the Aces have been large favorites
in games one and two, still a favorite here tonight
around four and a half. You can update us on that,
(04:49):
but just overall talk about the action and then also
specifically this series, we.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Have the Aces minus four right now that we had
a sharper player that we respect took the fever at
plus four and a half. Pretty good action both in
terms of the game to game and the futures book.
I mean, you guys probably know this, but we I mean,
the guys are mostly all rooting for the Aces, of course,
but they are our worst outcome in the future book
(05:15):
for sure, and from a futures perspective, we would actually
want to see one of the teams in the other
semifinal talking about the Links and the Mercury. We want
one of those two to win the title. But pretty
good handle. Still a lot of sharp panel on the WNBA.
I teased Marco about that before. It's definitely a it's
definitely a wise guy driven sport, and tonight we've seen
(05:37):
sharp money on both the dogs and.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
You got one sharp guy who just loves playing these
player props as well too.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
In studio.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
All well aware of that. That's why, that's why I
like it when the show is off property, so you
can't nail us here, the little old lest you know
what I mean, keep Marco out of here.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It's been good. I get a lot of been joined
because I watch the w NBA games and go to
them and bet them. But you know what, you know,
it's it's a market that you know, I think I've
got an edge on. I'm gonna take advantage whenever I can.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Well, that's that's really spoken like a true wise guy.
I mean, if if somebody, you know, if somebody told
me they had they thought they had an edge and
w NBA player props, I would believe them. If somebody
told me they thought they had an edge and NFL sides.
I'm not saying nobody does. Okay, there are people, There
are people and syndicates out there that are that good,
(06:36):
but it's very few and far between. I think you'd
agree with me on that, Marco. I mean, it's not
it's a very difficult market market to beat, and that's
why you can get down a lot more money on
an NFL game than you can on a w NBA player.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Props absolutely. John. Switching to Saturday college football, though, I
got to ask you, We've got some really good marquee
games this week, you know, kind of like that the
first that we had with some big matchups, and obviously,
you know, being the Pennsylvania boy, I got to open
with you, and how's the action going in the Penn
(07:09):
State Oregon game? And is the public ignoring James Franklin's
record against the top ten teams?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
You know? You know, actually right now, you're some of
our friends are gonna like hearing this. Oregon is a
pretty square dog. You know, there's been a lot of
money on Oregon here. We had we did see some
sharper play on Penn State early in the week. It
looks like we're actually gonna need Penn State in that
one Tomorrow night. That's an awesome game, really awesome college
(07:39):
football Saturday, guys. I think that that's probably the game
I'm looking forward to the most. I think the book's
gonna need Penn State. I kind of like Penn State myself,
but uh, there's some really good games tomorrow. It's gonna
be an awesome day a college football.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Penn State a three and a half point choice.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It's gonna be the white out too bad to you're
not going to be there, Mark, I know you want
to go to the Penn State white out game when
you went to.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
A couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
But this is interesting because you know the Oregon the
knock on Oregon will always be okay, can they handle
the physicality and that sort of thing. But Mark, you
bring up a great point, and it's hard for me
personally to back James Franklin against any real strong team.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
And I don't care if it's home or away.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I mean, you know you're gonna get vanilla play calling
on offense. You're gonna get some goofy fourth down calls
that he's gonna be on an island all by himself,
and it's tough.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It's tough.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know, Penn State against you know, some of these
you know, lower echelon teams. It's one thing, but you know,
when when they face a team that is is just
as good or you know, maybe even has better speed
than him on offense, I don't know. I don't know
how much credence I'm putting into the Penn State home
field advantage either.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And again I.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Think that both quarterbacks are maybe you know, a little
bit you know, overrated, especially with Aler because we've seen
enough of him over the past few years, right and
as far as more for for Oregon, what we've seen
so far has been nice, but against you know, you know,
not great competition. So it's kind of a hard game
to handicap. But I think I would take any points
(09:19):
I can, and going against James frank James Franklin.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
TC, I got to say that the fact that this
you know, we know about the history of the white
out and it just drives me crazy though when they
have a whiteout game and they use it for a
twelve o'clock start, that defeats the purpose. The fact that
this is gonna be Saturday night in Happy Valley. Oregon
has not faced the team since joining the Big ten
(09:46):
on the road, like they're going to face on Saturday night.
And I think James Franklin the first, you know, a
couple of games they played nobody's they didn't have to
really open up the offense. I think this is the
game they take the reins off from Drew Allard. They
got him weapons this year. This team is fully stocked
and loaded if they're ever gonna make a run for
(10:08):
the championship. And remember they only missed basically by from
one or two plays last year to actually be playing
for the national championship last year. I think he gets
the job done. And we talked about that stat he's
won in eighteen since being at Penn State when he
plays against a top five team. Fortunately, Oregon is just
(10:30):
outside the top five, they're number six, so maybe that'll
give him a little confidence.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I love that when you say if we hear this
a lot when people analyze games or handicapped games to.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Go, well, if you know this happens, blah blah blah. Okay.
The next the next two words in that is James Franklin. Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And that's where I lose it at It's like, yeah,
they've got the personnel they've got the talent, but what
this guy does with in game situations, I can't think
of another college coach that that does some of these things.
And we viilify this guy a lot, and he continues
to keep his job, but again, you know, in the
biggest games, it continues to happen. I don't know, John,
(11:13):
what's your take on on on James Franklin and what's
your take on this game?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Well, I think I agree with what Marco said about
Penn State. I feel the same way he does. But
it's hard to trust James Franklin. Guys. You know, past
Stay should have never lost that semi final last year
against a Notre Dame team that had a number of
key linemen hurt and they had every opportunity to make
the national championship. They blew that game. I think alers
(11:40):
through a terrible pick in the end of that game.
But no, it's it's difficult to trust Franklin, and it's
hard to understand coaches that have the talent that he
has at his disposal and are still running vanilla plays.
I don't know what Alar is going to look like
at the next level, but for now, I think he's
considered like a top five ticking the draft. So why
(12:02):
are you being so vanilla? Why aren't you going for more?
I'll never understand teams that have top tier talent and
won't let go of the rains.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
John, Let's talk about Alabama and Georgia. Another marquee game.
This one was a.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Wild one last year, and we got Georgia three and
a half point choice. It seems like the three and
a half number, both on the NFL side and the
college side, is a very popular, you know number coming
up this weekend.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, it was for sure, you're right, but you know,
there's so much money on Alabama now that we're actually
down to Georgia two and a half. So we've taken
a lot of money on Alabama yesterday and especially today,
So right now we definitely would want to, we'd want
to need to favorite of that game, want Georgia in
that game. Tons of money pouring in on the Crimson Tide.
(12:52):
That's another great game. I mean usually said it already, DC,
but the only shamans those two games are the same time,
because those are two the best, really two of the
best college seball games of the whole regular season, in
my opinion, I mean, they have to be right.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
They are gonna look at the l s U Old
Miss game. What are you seeing there? Ole Miss a
one and a half point favorite at home.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, I saw all respective play on both ole Miss
minus one and a half and the money line ole Miss.
So ole Miss got the backup quarterback in there. But
I think there's some questions about just how tough LSU's
schedule has been. You know, on paper, it looks so
good they want at Clemson, they beat Florida, but now
it's starting to look like, well, neither neither one of
(13:32):
those teams any good, especially Clemson. Okay, So I think
it's a it's a real test for for the Tigers
tomorrow at ole Miss. That's not a great game. That game,
thankfully's in the afternoon.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
John, there's a game on the docket for tomorrow that
doesn't have the Marquis status to some of these other
ones do. But if by like Memphis last week against
Arkansas for the reason of who they were playing this week,
then that means I got to come back with Arkansas.
If they did get caught looking ahead last week they
(14:05):
got Notre Dame, then where are you seeing the money
in this game.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Well, Arkansas sure blew that game. I don't know about
from a cover perspective. Were they sure blew outright winning
that game, that's for sure. I unfortunately watched a lot
of that game. There's been a there's been a little
support for Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
We got down to Notre Dame minus four, touched the
money at four, moved up to four and a half.
Most of the public tickets are on Notre Dame. So
I'd say right now and expect Arkansas would be one
of our needs in the nine am window tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
John, Let's go look at the NFL. We got some
pretty good games coming up on Sunday. Which games are
you seeing the most action and line movement up until now?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
It's cheating, but you have to say Atlanta because the
quarterback situation with Washington. Atlanta is now two and a
half points favorite after being a dog most of the week.
They will get a commit enders team without Jayden Daniels
again and without Terry McLaurin. So that's a tough one
for Washington going out. Atlanta. They bet Detroit. They bet
(15:09):
Detroit up from nine and a half salmony. Detroit's gonna
be a real popular survivor pick. I think it's a
very interesting week and that you've got all these big favorites.
We've actually seen our Sharper players on some of these favorites.
We took sharp money on Houston minus seven, and we
took sharp money on Denver minus seven moved them to
seven and a half. So so Sharper groups actually playing
(15:29):
these favorites and moving the favorite price is even higher here.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I see, well you could probably see that. I mean
in that Houston Tennessee game, you know, just just going
against these these teams that you know are having problems scoring.
And again, you know, after you know, watching cam Ward
for the first three weeks, I think people are thinking, okay, again,
you know this is this is the guy who may
not be ready, especially against you know, real good defenses
(15:55):
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And Houston definitely has that.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Houston has problems scoring, understand that, but you know, Houston
at home, you kind of figure that they maybe do
for a double ditch of victory here.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, and you got to say that that does look
like there's something wrong in my opinion with Ward. I
don't know if maybe it's an ankle injury, but on
the other side. C. J. Stroud isn't terrible this year,
so I don't know if he's banged up or if
it's the offensive line, but you know, he's thinking back
to the last year. He's coming off that Rookie of
(16:29):
the Year season. He's being talked about. Is essentially a
lead quarterback in this league. He didn't really have a
good season last year. They did win the division, they
did win a wildcard game against the Chargers, so it's
not like last year was a total disaster. But so
far his third season has been a complete disaster. He's
been awful.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
John the game that we had a change of quarterbacks
announced early in the week and we're talking about Jackson Dark,
you know, getting his first NFL start. What did you
guys do with the books whenever you got that announcement,
Did that move the line one way or the other?
You guys figure at this point it's a wash between
(17:09):
Russell Wilson and him.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Well, you know, the Chargers line went up a little
bit up now it's at six and a half, and
then we did see some sharper play on the Giants
plus six and a half, But to me, there's no difference.
I mean, Russell Wilson was absolutely terrible last week. He
looked terrible leak one against Washington. I don't know what
Dallas was doing defensively in Week two, and he actually
(17:33):
looked capable, But even when he had his moments in
that game, he was basically destroying the ball for grads
and receivers are making plays. So I don't see how
the Giants can get any worse with Darting there than
they already were with Wilson in there. I don't think
it should be a big line move.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Okay, you're gonna have Steeler terrible tiles waving into sports
book at six point thirty on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
You have to tell me I'll be watching soccer. That's
too early for me. I think. I think right now
looks like we need the Steelers a little bit. There's
a little bit of money on Minnesota, so Minnesota obviously
look great on Sunday and putting it mildly against Cincinnati.
So tough ones from Pittsburgh having to go over to
(18:17):
Dublin and play the Vikings. I'm not a huge fan
of the European Games, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Guys, Yeah, there we go, and I don't think not
many people are gonna be waiving any towels in the
super book at six point thirty in the morning. Okay,
I mean maybe Marco's friends may have some bloody Mary's
going to that point in time.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I just think you can. You can have your own
private party, maybe at your house. Marco, six thirty in
the morning, advise sleep in, don't don't watch this game.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I got a live It's gonna be painful for you anyway.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
I got a live teaser going to Pittsburgh from Arizona
in the last night, so I already have invested interest.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
You know who else, guys, I don't know if you
heard this or not. Isn't real happy about this whole ordeal?
Is Aaron Rodgers? Yeah, your quarterback. Marco saying like, well,
you know, they didn't leave until until Thursday evening, so
they really didn't get there until Friday. And Aaron's saying,
why couldn't we come like Monday or Tuesday? He goes,
you know, I'm a historian. I really enjoy, like, you know,
(19:16):
you know, seeing these other foreign countries, and yeah, I
was really looking forward to to spending some time there
in Ireland. And and now we can't even go out
and do anything.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Where's Aaron Rodgers head at? Just listen to what he's saying.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Oh, he actually said TC. In an interview, somebody asked
him what he was looking forward to most of going
to Dublin, and he said, I can't wait to get
a Guinness on draft. That's my favorite year.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Of course, that's true.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Wait a minute, Marco, Aaron Rodgers can't afford to go
to Dublin in the offseason.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I was thinking the same thing, John.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Stopping the driver from going to Dublin. This guy probably
makes like fifty million dollars a year. He can't fly
to Dublin for a week and hang out.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, go play some go play some golf.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
You know. Well, I'm with TC. Where is this guy's
head at? Man, I mean, these guys are these guys
are not going to Dublin for vacation. I mean they've
got they've got a professional football game to play on
Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Wow, all right, Minnesota and the Steelers in Dublin six
thirty in the morning.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Set your alarm clock, you know for that one. All right?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Any other games, John did Is are moving the needle
a little bit on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Well, I think the most interesting thing is the two.
Like I would say premium games, it's controversial, but you've
got Baltimore Kansas City. That's not controversial. That one's in
the afternoon, one five local. There hasn't really been any
sharp money either way in that one. So right now
we've got Kansas City plus three at home second time.
(20:49):
Kansas City has been a home dog this season, which
is kind of interesting. And then the Sunday night game,
you've got green Bay at Dallas. Dallas the course, let's
say struggling defensively, but you know, green Bay really hasn't
been great on offense either. It's been their defense. It's
been show outstanding in their early season starts. But I
(21:09):
think there's not a lot to report betting wise either
of those two games yet. And that surprises me because
those are two very high profile matchup from Yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Know, I looked at that game too, and I can
probably see that. I think people have a problem picking
a side in the Ravens Chiefs games. Like I said,
you want to have some action on it. I mean,
it's one twenty five Pacific time. But again, it's like
what you know when you got Lamar Jackson, and he's
prone to blowing up, especially against good defenses. And you
(21:39):
saw what he did the other night or you know,
Monday night.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
That was horrid.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
And then you know the Chiefs, it's like, oh, here
we go. I think we all are thinking the same
thing that this team is on a little bit of
a downward slide.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
But you know, do you want to play the Chiefs?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yes, they're at home, but against Baltimore, who you know,
talent wise, probably has better talent the Chiefs. I think
it's a hard game to handy cap and where that
line is set with you guys, it's it's even tougher.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Well, Baltimore is a hard team to trust. Yeah, you know,
you say what you want about them, but they're a
great front runner if they get the lead, and there's
probably nobody in the league better better at playing from
ahead and Lamar Jackson. But when they are in these
close games, when they have these games where they need
to pick up a third downar maybe even get a stop,
they haven't shown the ability to do that, and that's
(22:28):
why they've already lost twice this season. It's very interesting
how a team that I think we all agree has
a good coach, and we all agree has this great quarterback.
They sure lose a lot of close games and a
lot of big games.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
That's right, absolutely correct. All right, John, appreciate the time.
As always, We'll let you get back to work there
and we look forward to seeing you next week. All right, guys,
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