November 25, 2025 • 54 mins
On today's episode, Prez, Joe and Art discuss how the books made out in NFL Week 12, money moves in both college football and NFL, early week football predictions, NCAAM, NBA, NHL and more!
00:00 INTRODUCTION
02:36 WHERE'S THE EARLY MONEY GOING NFL WK 13
05:32 WHERE'S THE EARLY MONEY GOING CFB WK 14
08:23 WHERE'S THE MONEY GOING CBB | NBA
10:33 PARLAY OF THE DAY
13:28 FADE OR NOT? AFC | NFC EAST TEAMS
27:10 THANKSGIVING TREND OFF
42:08 JOE'S EARLY CFB WK 14 BET
43:20 PREZ'S EARLY NFL WK 13 BET
44:29 NBA RUNDOWN
46:22 NHL RUNDOWN
47:03 CBB RUNDOWN
49:06 MAILBAG! VIEWER QUESTIONS
00:00 INTRODUCTION
02:36 WHERE'S THE EARLY MONEY GOING NFL WK 13
05:32 WHERE'S THE EARLY MONEY GOING CFB WK 14
08:23 WHERE'S THE MONEY GOING CBB | NBA
10:33 PARLAY OF THE DAY
13:28 FADE OR NOT? AFC | NFC EAST TEAMS
27:10 THANKSGIVING TREND OFF
42:08 JOE'S EARLY CFB WK 14 BET
43:20 PREZ'S EARLY NFL WK 13 BET
44:29 NBA RUNDOWN
46:22 NHL RUNDOWN
47:03 CBB RUNDOWN
49:06 MAILBAG! VIEWER QUESTIONS
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Transcript
Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're here to make you money. Stay with us all
the way. What a show lined up today? Art to Caesar,
Joe Rnaire. We're going to tell you where all the
money is going in college football and NFL. We're going
to do a fade or not the teams in the
AFC East and the NFC East. Do we bet them?
(00:20):
Don't we bet them? We're going to talk about that.
We've got early college football bets, early NFL bets, an
NBA rundown, a college basketball rundown. I'll give you a
free NHL play. Let's get to it. Welcome to the
best betting show ever. Hey, Art, what's.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Going on with you? Bro?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Now much? Boys? Happy to be here?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
What is this thing hanging around your neck?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Like my chain?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's called a wire? A wire. I haven't seen those
apple thing of my jiggy's in a long time, one
of these, But yet I wear these and people ask
me why, and the answer is because my voice sounds
so great in them. Joe, how you.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Doing, bro outstanding?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's a Turkey week. Don't get any better than this week?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, I don't understand why listen, I'm Canadian. I fully
your the love in America, Thanksgiving is extremely high, and
I'm not insulting it. I just don't understand it specifically.
Why is it better than Easter or Christmas or Independence
Day or President Lawrence Presman Day. I mean, these are
(01:31):
the biggest days in America. Why Thanksgiving? Why does it
sit at the top of Mount Rushmore for holidays?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, Art, do you want to take you want to
inform them?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Or I mean family? Family, food, and football? Man, that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Family. Oh so it's the football because well technically you
could do that on Christmas anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Sure, I was particular talking about you know, nine thousand
hockey games, nine thousand college basketball games. Uh, put up
for shut up time? College football final week in a
regular season playoffs.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
This is yesterday on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, well I didn't. I said it's Thanksgiving week. It
wasn't just that week Giving. I said the Wei it's
the greatest one.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
It's Black Friday coming up and Cyber Monday, and we
got deals for you guys. We'll get too later. Art,
Let's go man. Falcons and Jets, Shut up, Joe, Falcons
and Jets, Texans and Colts, Jags and Titans. You're gonna
tell us where the members on those three games.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
One hundred they bet the sharp sped Atlanta already they
laid one all the way up two and a half
on that game. Right now, thirty nine and a half
has pretty pretty much been our steady total. Really haven't
budged off that. Texans at Cults, what a big game
in the AFC South Division still open. I mean the
Texans are creeping up the board. The winning games look
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like they're gonna get Stroud back. It doesn't matter though.
They laid three and a half with Indy. We're now
four and a half. Total's been bet down though, from
forty five and a half to forty four. That is
a sharp move. Jagg's Titans. You know, we were as
high as seven, so a little bit of Titan money
at seven. We're now jagged six and a half total
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forty two. Really hasn't budged off that That Titan seven
money though, really just people taking you know, when the
board was split six and a half, seven people coming
in cleaning up our board taking seven. Really nothing to
report as far as sharp as that goes with the seven.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
You know that Indy Houston game is interesting art because
you've got I believe this is the first time Indy
is actually home in like forever. I think that last
game was October twenty six, and Houston has been nothing
at home here. I believe Stroud is going for this,
or at least they're hoping he'll be ready, But it
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doesn't feel like whether it's Stroud or Davis Mills, you're
going to see a whole lot one way or the other.
It just appears that, you know, the money is going
to be coming in on Indy, but I'm not sure
the public's gonna see it that way because a recency bias.
What are you seeing? Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
We're kind of figuring Stroud is going to play, But
like I said, that initial money is on the Colt
and it moved us to, you know, from three and
a half to four and a half. I think the
interesting thing is how the Sharps instantly saw forty five
and a half, despite the Colts being the highest scoring
team in the league. That Houston defense plays a style
that doesn't really allow for overs, so they already bet
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that down. Now does it reach a point where maybe
we bought them out on the number and they.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Bet it back up? That is possible.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Joe and aary Art Deseason joining us. Hit that like button.
Everybody subscribe to our channel and make sure to comment.
Yesterday we had over two hundred comments. Was an amazing show,
so much fun to read all those comments. Joe I
had to call Brian Power yesterday to check on him.
(05:07):
Is our abuse a little bit too much?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I'm glad you have his number because I'd just had
to wait until next Monday to see if he was
if he was still breathing and going to allow for
another round of abuse. But kudos to him. He loves
coming by, he takes it, he punches back. He's a
good guy. Good ol Brian Power.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, we definitely love Brian Power, and it's the reason
we have him on art. We're gonna do the three
Thanksgiving games tomorrow as there's no Thursday show, so stay
with us tomorrow. We'll get to those three Thanksgiving games.
Let's go to some college football here. You want to
talk about Western Michigan, East Eastern Michigan, Ohio Buffalo and
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Air Force against Colorado State.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah, no, Western Michigan Eastern Michigan is actually Today, Western
Michigan wins. They're in the MAC Title Games. This is
a big game for them Sharp's late six and a half.
They laid seven all the way up to eight now
on that. So a lot of Western Michigan money has
come in on the game. Total of forty six and
a half really hasn't budged Ohio Buffalo Sharp's late six
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and a half of Ohio. It's now seven. But the
under is the big move. It was under forty seven.
Money that came in moved us all the way to
forty four on the game. So you've seen a three
point move to the under, and then air Force at
Colorado State Sharps took three. With Colorado State, we got
to as low as one on the game. They've now
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bought back a little bit on air Force, but it's
still under. The field goal total has also been bet
down from forty seven to forty five. Sharp money again
on the under there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So ar you know, this is a pretty big week
because you do have a lot of those teams that
have five wins going up against teams that you know, hey, listen,
one more win, they're bawl eligible. They're going I know,
there's a lot, you know, five win teams, teams like
Florida State Ball or Kansas Kansas State. Do you see
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at Penn State Rutgers. I mean, do you guys factor
that in? Do you shade to the one side of
the other thinking the public's gonna be like, oh, this
team needs to win to get to a bowl game.
How do you factor that in at the books?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Well, you definitely have to shade maybe half a point
here or there. But also, Joe, you got to remember,
we let our betters give us a lot of the information.
You know, there are plenty of times they might not
even touch a team who is trying to win to
be Bawl eligible. But if they start to get on
one side of a team who needs to win to
be bowl eligible, then we really will move aggressively and
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almost say you know what, well, dare you to bet
the other side? You want to come at the other side?
That's fine. That happens a lot. There's also like the
Western Michigan situation. They teams that need to win to
get into conference championship games, things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
So obviously this is a big week.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
And a week in the college football game where you
might see games that are under the radar that don't
mean anything with teams record wise, But as you mentioned
teams are fighting to get in the bowl games art.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
The cas are enjoining us always every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday
and Friday from the West Gate Art. There are three
NBA games, one NHL game, and seven thousand college basketball games.
Have you spotted anything we need to know about any
of those sports?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
The one thing I will say with the college basketball
and that Players Error Tournament which is here in Vegas,
those have generated wonderful handle and during this week with
all the tournaments and the good matches and college basketball,
we always get a pretty good handle on these games. But
the games being here, the matches being as spectacular as
they are, we've seen really good handle on those games.
And we've seen a lot of those games get back
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over a lot of games with those teams in the
tempos moving up and down, a lot of a lot
of games have been bet over.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
In those games. You've seen some pretty good moves there.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Awesome stuff. If you're like that segment, hit that like
button please, Okay, let's get moving. So we won our
parlay of the day on Saturday. How did we do
on Sunday?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
We didn't win one leg?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
We went oh and three?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Did wow? Blaming Joe I know that's the first time.
I might be the first time all year that we
actually listen blast out.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I took the Raiders, So get our hand.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Up, good dude, And uh, I mean, do you make
what do you make of this Raiders team so bad?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It's just well they figured it out. It's Chip Kelly's fault.
So things gotta be to be great this week.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yes, we spoke about that. Yesterday Chip Kelly talked about
doesn't he long for the days where he coached Oregon?
That's for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Man. Ever since then, it's been I won.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
A national championship last year as the OCE of Ohio
State and you opted to go to Pete Carroll, Gino
Smith and the Raiders. Boy Benny Wishers, he was still
in Ohio State. I'm just saying, my goodness, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, well, I mean I don't even know if Pete
Carroll is coaching or mailing it in anyway. Let's get
to our parley of the day and I'm gonna go
into the hockey game. Guys, I'm gonna look at the
over in the Dallas Edmonton Oilers game. There are sixes
out there. It's half and half. Please take over six
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in the Dallas Edmonton game. Art, what do you like?
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I'm gonna go to that Player's Era tournament Michigan and All.
I'm gonna take Michigan on the money line to beat all.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
M Joe.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Lakers get it done tonight against the La Slippers, as
Lebron and company will handle business at home.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, I think Steve Balmer probably had a whole head
of hair before he started in the NBA, although we
know that's not true, but you understand my point. Yeah, exactly. Okay,
So guys, every Tuesday and Wednesday, we do a segment
called Fade or Not. We pick some NFL teams. We
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discussed whether to fade them or not fade them. Today
we're going to do both East. So we're gonna do
the AFC East and the NFC East. We're gonna start
with the AFC East, the New England Patriots. This is
a team that is ten and two to start the year.
They are at They are them and the Broncos. They
are right behind the Broncos. Nobody saw this coming, although
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we did expect an improvement from this team. There are
points four three exceptional. I mean, this team is scoring
at a very high level. Are they a fade team
moving forward or is this a team art that is
just going to continue to do what they're doing. Well.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
They're probably going to continue to win because the schedules
so bad, but now their prices are getting a little inflated,
So I don't know. Maybe there's a couple of spots
down the road here against some of these bad teams
where they're laying a point and a half to two
and a half points more than they probably should, so
maybe you could look to fade them. But they're going
to keep winning games because because the schedules better.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, Joe, they're minus seven and a half against the
New York Giants, who did show a lot of moxy
against the Detroit Lions last week. Is this a New
England team, a fade or bet on team for you?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I'm not buying them. I think what you saw last
week against the Bengals that is going to rear its
head more and more as the season progresses. I mean,
Drake may a fantastic job, but the idea that he's
even in the same breath as Matt Stafford, we're crowning
this guy in MVP here. And third, you know, Week
twelve and eleven of the season and accomplish something first,
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because you know, they won, you know, in spite of him,
they ended up winning that game barely. So I think
the Patriots, you know, if you haven't already thought about
it at ten and two, now might be the time
to sell high here on the Patriots moving forward.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, and I agree with you, Joe. I think you know,
even with this Monday Night's game, I think to play
looking forward is on the Giants, and I think they
are a team that the public is going to inflate
the lines on. So I think you guys were all
in agreement.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Good news. By the way, it doesn't appear like they
lost their stud rookie offensive lineman for the rest of them,
so that that's good. Everyone thought it was they lost him,
it was going to be a knee issue, but apparently
it wasn't as bad as first thoughts. So that is
good news for the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You know who did not lose a stud offensive lineman
that Las Vegas Raiders, Oh, because they never had one
to start had once had one, Yes they did, yeah, Colton.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Mill And then once they lost him, they really went
to shit.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I don't know how we got back into that. Oh
that's on me. Okay, let's talk. Let's turn our attention
to the Buffalo Bills, and man, there is something wrong
in Buffalo. I think their coach needs to go personally.
They are in Pittsburgh this week minus three and a half.
There are fours out there. I'm going out on a
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limb here, art to Caesar, I am looking to bet
on Buffalo moving forward. I just believe in Josh Allen.
I believe that they're at their best after they're at
their worst. I like them this weekend. I like them
moving forward. Maybe I'm just a sucker for Buffalo art.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yeah, I don't know what to make of this Buffalo team.
But speaking of it, if you like Buffalo now, maybe
it's the time to buy some of their futures.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, I mean and and reliance.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, I mean, maybe this is your time. If you
want Buffalo for the AFC, you want Buffalo for the
super Bowl. Division is probably dead. But if you want
to take a shot with a couple of those futures,
this is probably the time now to get in on Buffalo.
I don't just press I don't like the Pittsburgh team,
so I can see Buffalo this.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Joe yeah, I put Buffalo in the same category as
the Chiefs. If you haven't stuck a fork in the
Chiefs yet. There is absolutely no reason to stick a
fork in the Buffalo Bills just yet. Too much experience.
I feel like we've been here before with Buffalo where
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they they have this stretch every year where we do
exactly this, like, oh God, this team can't you know,
McDermott's gotta go, this guy's gotta go, and then all
of a sudden, you know, beginning like week fourteen, fifteen
sixteen said, then they roll right into the playoffs and
they look like world beaters, and I think we're I
think we'd be foolish to fade both Kansas City and
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Buffalo just yet. So and I think to ours point,
the time has never been better to buy low on
the Buffalo Bills then right now.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, And I feel like I feel like everything we're
talking about applies to the Detroit Lions as well. From
my perspective of veteran team with a master motivator as
a coach, I think, if you're gonna buy futures on
the Lions, you buy them now. If you're gonna buy
futures on Buffalo, you buy it all more so.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I mean, if the season ends to today, pres Buffalo's in.
Detroit's out right, so right, even more so now with Detroit,
which is what makes this game coming up Thursday, Kitchen
Saint lay it all out there, Detroit, because if you
lose this one, it ain't looking good moving forward.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Well, I mean you can again make that argument with
Green Bay too. Green Bay loses on Thursday, and I
think they're done. I don't see three teams coming out
of that division. Let's keep to the AFC East and
let's talk about the winners of two straight Miami Doltlin's.
There's something positive coming out of their dressing room, which
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is crazy. Mike McDaniel is going to be coaching next year.
That's what the owner already announced.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Art.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I don't know what dal to make this team, but
I will say this, they are trying, they are playing.
They're minus six against New Orleans. I think they might
be a bet on team this week. Art, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Don't know what you mean, and I gotta be fair.
I called for McDaniel's head like six weeks ago. Give
him all the credit in the world. They play for him,
and they've been a lot better. Miami with that six
is gonna be very popular in the teasers. I'll say
that they're not gonna be like a big hey, we'll
go lay six, but shockingly enough, Miami will be popular
moneyline parlays and teasers. I don't know if I want
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to go lay six, but maybe there are some spots
down the road because of how hard they are playing
where you can look to back Miami, Joe, Miami.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
No, listen, I've seen this movie over and over and
over every this is exactly the game Miami loses. They
lose this game to the Saints, and then we all
going what in the world were we thinking? How in
the hell we should they should have burned it from
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and telling you what's happening. Absolutely, you can go.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Go in reverse too, because because this is the game
that New Orleans screws up their draft pick.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, that's exactly correct. I have seen this movie with
Miami all the time. They show these flashes of brilliance
and then all of a sudden it's like, oh my god, yeah, no,
no way, it's a right now with people being like,
WHOA not bad Miami, I've been pretty good. No, No,
they're gonna they're gonna screw this thing up. And there's
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still plenty of time for McDaniel and the chopping bloc arts,
so don't worry. The season ain't over yet. Plenty of
time for him to get canned.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Okay, let's talk about the wonderful New York Jets, and uh,
they're playing with their coach right now. They're plus two
and a half at home against Atlanta. I think this
is a fade team. Personally, I don't think I'm gonna
be on this game at all, but I think the
New York Jets stick a fork in them are what.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
I mean, they've the sharps. Have already told you when
Atlanta was won. They've got them up to do an. Now,
you guys know the key number of three. If we
get to three, there will be Jet money, just because
it's an NFL team getting three at home. That's the
way they bet it. They bet the numbers. They're not
going to look at the team. But I'm with you, Prez.
I think moving forward the Jets, it's just too many mistakes.
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I get that they're playing hard for the guy, but
offensively they're so challenge Joe.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Listen, I sat here last week when we were doing
our early NFL bets and I said, it's gross, it's disgusting,
hold your nose. But you got to take the points
with the Jets because there's no way that you know
that Ravens team should be laying two touchdowns against anybody,
and sure enough, the Jets, I'm telling you right now,
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if he doesn't fumble the ball on the two yard
line there, we're having a different conversation about this Jets team. Here. Listen,
you can't fake effort, right Those guys realize what's going
on there. They're playing hard. They got nothing to lose.
If you can keep rolling out Tyrod, They're never going
to there is never ever going to be a game.
I think the rest of the way where we're gonna
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be like, oh, the Jets are over value. They're always
gonna be the value play. So I definitely think there's
gonna be spots to back them again because the market
is so going to be against them for the rest.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Of the way, And that makes sense, Joe, there will
be value to back them. I mean, I know I'm
still kicking myself with taking the Las Vegas Raiders last week.
I mean, one of my biggest rules as a sports
better is to stay away from the bottom five teams
in every league. And I understand that there's a lot
of value in the bottom five teams in every league.
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I just by rule don't bet on them. And I
broke that rule last Sunday.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Especially when bottom five teams play bottom five teams. There's
not any expecting land teams to do good things. Is
just never will formal.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Then you just take the overs. When those two shitters
play against each other, just take the overs because that's
pretty much the only time New Orleans and Miami, right, Like,
when is New Orleans gonna score points? Well? Probably in
this game. Okay, let's go into the NFC, the East,
the Eagles. So this Eagles team is fascinating to me, Guys,
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I think that they can win the Super Bowl. I'm
telling you that right now. I think that if they
can find a way to stretch the field, and we
saw them trying to do that at the beginning against Dallas.
If they can stretch the field, I think this is
the best team in football. The problem is they have
not been able to consistently find a passing game. I
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think this team is a bet on team moving forward, Guys,
and last year we saw this story play out. They
spent the or seven weeks struggling to create distance. They're
a bet on team for me. Moving forward, I think
we see Philadelphia start to roll art.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
A man, uh Press, I'm with you. They obviously are
a team who could win the Super Bowl. I'd like
to see him run the ball more more, Barkley more.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Stretch the field first, for sure.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
But I love their running game. I don't know why
they don't lose it more. I think Bigsby should get
more run.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
That's just me. This week is interesting because obviously.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
They play Black Friday, they play Chicago, who's been hot,
and they're laying a big number at home, and I
feel like they will bet Chicago this week.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
It feels like a.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Spot where the public will bet Chicago and they will fade.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Philly here.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
And I think Philly is the play in that game
despite the big number.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Joe. Before I get your opinion, I just want to
tell you, guys, I've been watching the sau documentary and
this is a picture of Okay, what is he wearing?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
A good question?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
What is a superhero?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Sat? It's a great gold dead shirts. My new favorite player.
Go see who they are.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
He's a dead head, no chance, deadhead.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
He clearly did this enough. It's the sniff test. It
was a clean shirt and that was the That was
the end of that.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
It's like when they wear a Nirvana T shirt. They
have no idea.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
No, Okay, well, I'm going to assume that he is
a deadhead. Joe Philly is Philly fate for you.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
He'd be better off being a deadhead than to try
and gain. Where is Philadelphia shipping out these offensive linemen
that you think they're so bent on moving forward? We
missed the boat on on squeezing out every last dollar
on his Eagles team. Heading into that Cowboys game, they
were undefeated in one score games. Every game is one
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score with them, and that that running game is not
going to get better. Lane Johnson is out again, he's
heard who knows jargons the center still banged up. Their
backups aren' very good. There is a lot of chatter
about the offensive play calling, and you know you're not
replacing Ben Johnson. I mean you're not replacing them obviously,
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So I think they have far too many issues on offense. Yeah,
they have moments, what they look good, Prez, But if
they can't run the ball, then you're asking Jalen Hurts
to what throw forty times a game? And we already
know what happens when you get pressure on them, think
good things don't happen. So I think the problem is
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the longer it goes that they can't run the ball
and sustain drives, they're gonna wear that defense out because
that defense is gonna be out of the field unfortunately,
like they were against the Cowboys in the second half,
much longer than they need to be. And we're seeing
the same thing with Green Bay. You're gonna bury the unit,
burn this defense out before they get to the postseason.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, I'll tell you that. If they don't burn out
either of those defenses, they're really good. I mean the
Eagles defense is really really good.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Run the ball, boy guys, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
This Cowboy team. They got to be feeling really good
about themselves. They are five and five. There is a
pathway for them. They got the Chiefs this week at home,
both teams in an absolute game. Well I don't know
what that is, but I think the Cowboys are a
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I don't know team art and I just don't because
every time this team comes out and plays like world beaters.
The next week they can't put up a field goal
and vice versa. I don't understand this team, That's what
I'm going with. I don't understand the Cowboys art.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah, I mean, listen, their defense obviously is improved with
a lot of the guys games. Yes, it's a massive
game on Thanksgiving against the Chiefs, who are also desperate to.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Continue to win year.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
I don't I mean, I would say, far far away
from this game, I don't know what to make of it,
But Dallas moving forward, maybe in spots you can look to.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Better Joe, listen.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I mean, I think the stat was today I saw
there pez that for this week. Kansas City is the
only road favorite of the three games on Thanksgiving, and
road favorites are twenty five and one on Thanksgiving, going
back to going back a long time. I think since
two thousand and four. They just they don't lose these
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games on Thanksgiving. And that's what I'm just saying. That's
a pretty impressive number on a short week coming in
and being a road favorite. And I guess you're a
road favorite for a reason in this spot. Better teams
tend to be able to adjust on the road. Having
said that, I don't like the Kansas City had to
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go to all overtime. I like that Dallas gets to
stay home. And now Dallas, who was defensively a punching bag,
no longer that. And now maybe you give that offense
a little bit of an opportunity here to cook. And
they certainly have enough weapons. I think Dallas is absolutely
bet on moving forward. That defense is no longer the
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worst and the laughingstock in the NFL. Jerry, can you
believe it actually might have pulled a rabbit out of
his ass here with that trade for Quinnon Williams, I
want to talk.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
About so trendoff twenty I one against the spread twenty
one straight up, straight up? Yeah, that's very important. Yes,
I'd like to know what they are against the spread.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It's not what you think it is here, Bras, I'll
get it for you here. It's even it's a ridiculous
number as well, they are, oh it is, it is.
It's just as profitable to put them on the number.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
So let's talk about that, because there has to be
some reason for that. Trend twenty five and one is
massive and that's twenty you know six case example of
twenty six. Do you bet into that trend? You care
about that trend? I am thinking that that trend has
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substance to it, and I do not want to bet
into it.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Twenty five and one straight up, twenty and six against
the number on Thanksgiving since two thousand and four are
the only loss you'll like This art was back in
two thousand and nine when the Giants lost to the
Broncos twenty six to six. But other than that, it
has been you know, road favorites on Thanksgiving apparently our
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favorites for a reason, and don't be scared of bagging them.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, So would you bet? Would you bet against that trend?
That's the question? Would you If you love the Dallas
they they're a better matchup rolling this that sandwich, spot
let down this, not let down that, whatever the hell
you reason and tzarre if you come up with Dallas.
Would you bet into that Kansas City trend?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
No? And I'll tell you why. Another trend? You ready
for a trend off? Here? Guys? You're ready for this?
Strap out music? How about teams on short rest coming
off an overtime game taking on a team that didn't
go to overtime. Yeah. Twenty six and forty eight straight up,
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twenty four, forty seven and three against the number in
the last twenty years. If you are playing a team
on a Thursday that came from an overtime game six
and twenty one straight up, five and twenty two against
the number, are those teams that played in overtime.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
So that counter is your opposite trends is the death
media music for our credit record. But I will say this, Joe,
the second trend for me logically doesn't hold as much. Wait,
the second trend feels more coincidental to me. Now, I
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could be wrong, but you got it. When you hear
these trends, guys, and lots of Andy Kappers have them.
This team on a Tuesday standing on one leg with
the biometric chemistry of XYZ is blabbady blah blah. Don't
just assume that these trends make sense. Some of them
are just things. That second one has merit, but not
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nearly the type of merit that the first trend had.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I'll tell you this because if you break it down
even further art, if Kansas City was in Arrowhead playing
this game coming off the overtime, I'd agree with you, Prez.
But now they have to go on a short week
and travel to Dallas and road teams in that spot
nine and twenty eight straight up eleven, twenty five and
one against the number. I don't like the travel aspect art.
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What about you?
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Yeah, I think the big thing is Joe, you hit
it there. So we're now in late November week thirteen.
The teams that are favored on the road this late
in the season are favored for a reason. Right, we
have had all these weeks of data and moving our
power ratings, So it makes sense that those teams going
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on the road this late in the season win and
cover at that type of rate because you know, they're
favored for a reason. We have had so much data
now to suggest, well, these teams are so much better. Yeah,
they have to be favored on the road, So the
trend makes sense to me.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, I agree. Let's keep moving Commodores and Giants. We'll
go through them both at the same time. Washington is
a bet against team for me, and I think the
Giants are a bet on team, although obviously I want
to know who's playing quarterback, but they're playing hard, aren't.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
I definitely want to know who's playing quarterback. But that
doesn't stop me from wanting to bet they're overs. Yes,
I think we all said it last week. We love
that over in that Lion game. Giant overs feel nice.
I will say this about Washington. I do think they
are fade team. And I get that both dem and
Denver are coming off buys, it feels like a big
number for Denver to lay on the road. I understand
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defense travels and all that, and Washington's really bad, but
it feels like a thick number for Denver to go
lay on the road against Washington.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Agreed Joe, Yeah, I think Washington is done. I think
we can stick a fork in that season and everything else.
And I kind of agree with you there are I
don't think the Commanders are going to get a whole
lot offensively. And while I would agree that maybe the
overs in their games are the way to look, I'm
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not sure this is a game that I would do that.
They did play pretty tough last game out there defensively,
but the injuries have just mounted up there. It's I
don't trust bow Nicks offensively either. I mean, I think
that's a problem. So I would be looking especially on
the road or them being home. Washington I'd be looking
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maybe to play some team totals under in these spots
against better defenses.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
What a segment, boys, I love that fade or not? Guys,
what do you want to hear it tomorrow? Which divisions
in the NFL should we discuss fate or not? Put
it up in the comment section. Please. Aren't anything special
happening at the west Gate? But Thanksgiving? Are you guys
going to be serving turkey on the floor?
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Oh no, it's enough, set set.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Listen why those are open? Twenty four to seven, three
sixty five? It's just another day, Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Just another day at the West Gate. Go visit Art
to Caesar at the west Gate, Given and love.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Just another day? Is that a Commodore song? Art? Maybe?
I don't know. I thought maybe that was. I don't
know it. I don't know. He said Commodore's And I
can't get Lionel, Richie or brick House out of my
head now, So thanks press, appreciate that brick got the brick.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Oh boy, sexy Joe Joe, zoo zoo me out, Joe,
suit me out?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Where am I going? Okay, I gotta go?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
H you see it?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
New helmets?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Oh that's right, you mix. Is that an old school
Green Bay helmets? To look at? Nice?
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I want to show you the Green Bay helmet.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
All right, let's see what we got here looking at
Oh a, look at that Bart start Star. You did right,
look at it?
Speaker 1 (35:59):
So these hell m's are the actual helmets that they wore.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Is that Bart Star's hair? Is that what I just
saw on there? Is that?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Is that a with bart Star's pubic hair?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Boy?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Anyway?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
That helmet is so light and so thin with basically
nothing in it compared to like Lawrence Taylor's helmet. I mean,
it's just it's a radical difference.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
In his helmet. Any anything white in his helmet? No, Okay,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Joe, where is Lawrence Taylor these days? Is he a
live still?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Alive?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, we're still down a little. That's a good question.
Last I heard though, he was in trouble. He was
being sued or or something. I believe he's down in
my neck of the woods as actually I believe he's
down here.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Oh in Montreal. They sold his super Bowl ring.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Okay, anyway, he get out of here, so yeah, well
he can afford to sell one.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Mark, Thanks for doing this with us, brother, We'll see
you tomorrow. Guys, we got we got lots of show
left lots. We got a couple of NFL picks coming
your way. Same with college football. Joe's going to do
an NBA rundown and a college basketball runner. I'll give
you a quick breakdown on the NHL game, and we
have our mail back segment. But before we get into
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any of that, it's time for some Okay, let's get
into some business. Joe. It is customer Appreciation Day, over
it wager talk. It's Tuesday. What does that mean? That
means every handicapper picks their best play and sells it
for only five dollars. That's five dollars. My play is
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my first four percent NBA bet this entire season, my
first four percent NBA bet, and Joe, I have freacking
dominating the sport. Firstly, I won my NBA play last
night on the Raptors. I didn't even need the points. Secondly,
I'm on a seven and one run in NBA, but
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put that aside. I'm sixty percent on the NBA season.
I'm up double digits profits on the NBA season. I
have not had a losing NBA season in three years.
I'm up over one hundred units in NBA over that time.
This has become one of my best sports, if not
my best sport. It happened out of the blue. I
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restructured my team three and a half years ago and
since then it has been spectacular. So I have an
NBA play up to night. It's only five dollars. I
also have a five percent play in the NFL this weekend.
It is a monster. I very rarely have these five
percent plays. I've had about forty of them since the
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And I got that where you were half price. Use
the coupon code half price half price. Half is spelt
with an l HA l F half price, so half
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price is the coupon code. You get my five percent
play for half price. Joe, what do you got going?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Am?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Is there an al in health?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, it's a hell of a point there price, I am,
And well done for thinking of that to use as
a code. Well done. I have a customer appreciation day.
It's all about well the appreciation, guys. I do have
an early bet that I made in the NFL this
week that is up and available now for five bucks,
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I will be just a hand fading the public here,
so check that out. Also, I have a early college
basketball slate of games going on are told you in Vegas,
and I've got three of them right now for five bucks.
That you can start the day off rattling off some
winners there in college hoops. Get it going. That too,
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is for just five buckses. I can't seem to get
me on the screen press, so we're just gonna keep
looking at you. There you go, boom, five bucks, five
dollars across the board. People, that's what you.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Got it, Joe. I want to tell you something.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
You are not.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Allowed to sell three plays for five dollars. That is
not the rule. It is one play for five dollars.
You are not allowed to package them together. You did
that last week, nobody said a thing. You did it
this week, and given that I'm one of the owners
of wager Talk, I'm still not going to say anything.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Keep call me crazy. Five. It's a five dollars package,
not necessarily play. It's labeled package, so nope, it's it
would normally be twenty nine, but instead it's five.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
So wrong, wrong, wrong, Well, in that.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Case, you better do all three plays for five bucks, guys,
because Zac Carly, I won't be allowed to do it anymore,
so I can't give away to play. So go ahead,
five bucks, go grab it over at wage you're talking.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, So in the future I may make a suggestion
to to to to circumvent the rule. Yes, put it
up as one play and then on the bottom say
bonus two extra for you.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Oh I like the way you're thinking. All right, there
you go. Okay, semantics scomatos to model love it boom.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Okay, brother, we got some NFL bets coming from college
football bets. Why don't you go first with the college
football bets, Joe, only, because you then got to do
NBA and college Jube, So you you go first with
the college football all right?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
You want me to go first with college football? And
I'm going to make this very simple here, guys, theres
and I'm gonna be since I'm in that giving mood,
it's going to be two for one number one. I
am going to give you Western Michigan here tonight to
get it done. You heard Art say this opened up
six and a half. It's already been but up to seven,
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seven and a half. He's at eight. There are still
seven and a half available in the market. And listen,
I've been cashing tickets on Western Michigan all year long.
Here they have been one of the better under the
radar teams, not only because they have one of the
best defenses in the country and certainly in the MAC,
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but they're very good at running the ball. They're home,
it's senior night. If they win, then they're heading to
Detroit for the MAC title game. Here. I'm expecting a
big effort for them. So yes, I am gonna go
with Western Michigan tonight's as well, pres as I am
gonna fade Air Force, who has nothing left to play
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for taking on Colorado State. So I'll take Colorado State
on the money.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Loan, Joe, you have a full minute left. Who cares,
Let's get.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
The same Well, yeah, it's yours. It's supposed to be split.
I only took a minute for college football and just.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Oh yeah, I'm only giving one NFL playout. Well, I'll
give it out right now due to La Chargers. Let's
not overthink this. Currently, the Las Vegas Raiders are being
sacked Gino Smith. He got sacked about two minutes ago. Look,
here's the bottom line minus nine and a half. Now,
I have to assume that the LA Chargers could put
up ten points. If they put up ten points, they
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cover nine and a half. That's how bad the Las
Vegas Raiders offense is. We gotta believe that the La
Chargers are gonna get over twenty In all seriousness here, guys,
I think the LA Chargers are gonna get up twenty
seven points, give or take. There is absolutely no way
that the Las Vegas Raiders are putting up seventeen points.
They're not putting up thirteen points. I don't think they
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put up nine. I am not overthinking this. The Chargers
off of a buy playing a team that emotionally must
be completely drained. Just take the Chargers minus the nine
and a half and let's catch some coin Joe kind
of like today.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, I kind of like where you're heading with that one, Prez.
I think that's the best way to approach that. All Right,
NBA rundown here, and let's start, of course with the
NBA Cup, because that's what you've got going on here today.
You've got Atlanta taking on Washington in game one, and
we all realize that, well, Washington is what's the word
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ass total ass. They've won one game on the season,
one in fifteen. They sure as hell ain't gonna win
two against this Atlanta ha Hawks team, who is one
in one in NBA Cup. Play this group play here.
By the way, Toronto's already won that group, but the
Hawks will have an opportunity to go ahead and face
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Cleveland in the next game. And then it comes down
to point differential. They only have an eight point differential
right now plus eight, which means they are going to
want to blow the doors off the Wizards here, and
I think they do that and cover this number here tonight.
The Magic taking on the sixes. Boy, the Magic have
been absolutely outstanding. They are going to take on a
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Philadelphia seventy six ers team who at this point are
still trying to mix and match. Can we get McClain going,
Can Paul George get it going? And Bead who the
hell knows? Maybe it's time that we move on for him.
This number has continued to move towards the Magic, and
I agree with it. And then I already gave you
the Lakers earlier in our three team money line parlay,
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and I like the Lakers to get it done. Lebron's
in the house, although Kawhia is back, but I'm not
sure that's gonna help this Clippers team. It is at
the Crypto dot Com Arena. I think Reeves and Luca
and Lebron and company get it done in a big
way tonight. Here, Prez, and I've left you now a
little time for your NHL breakdown of the one game tonight.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yeah, Joe, Look, the only way you can bet the
Dallas Edmonton game is to take over the total. And
I don't want you to take over six and a half.
You got to take over six. The bottom line here
is that Edmonton can't keep the puck out of the net.
They've allowed nine to five, to five and seven goals
in four of their last nine games. You cannot allow
nine goals in a hockey game and then three days
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later allow seven goals. This team is horrible defensively and
have no goal to ending. And we know they can score.
Don't overthink this. Dallas can score as well. Dallas has
scored two or more goals in and straight Just take
over six. Call of a day. What's going on in
college hoops?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
All right? So let's go to that players tournament here
in Las Vegas, And the reason why the handle has
been so good is because there's a lot of blue bloods,
a lot of big names playing hoops here today, and
it's gonna start rather early. But one of the big
games is gonna be to Houston Cougar's taking on the
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Tennessee Volves here. Now, Houston was taken to the brink
last night by a undermanned Syracuse team. Syracuse still didn't
even have their best player available to them, won't have
them available for the rest of this tournament either, but
they were good enough to take Houston to overtime, in
which Houston they ended up handling business eventually and won
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the game. But if it's one thing we know about
both of these two teams is they're gonna play defense,
and I mean a lot of defense here. This game
should be an absolute rock fight between these two. We've
already seen money come in on the under it was
one thirty five and a half. I think we're down
to about one thirty three and a half, maybe even
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one thirty two and a half. And who are we
kidding The idea that these two teams are gonna run
up and down the court, not happening. Houston's still trying
to figure out its offensive identity. We already know what
Tennessee is. Tennessee is gonna be suffocating here. This is
gonna be a first one to seventy is gonna win,
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and I think that's gonna give us enough to be
able to get the under here in this game tonight.
And then you got Michigan Auburn. Pretty interesting stuff here
with this Michigan team who had no problem handling their
business last night against Oregon. They're taking on an Auburn
team that he has a little pissed off here that
everyone has kind of mailed it in on them this
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season once Bruce Pearl retired. Well, Bruce Pearl's son is
the one running it, and you know what, they're doing
a pretty good job here. I think this is going
to be one of the higher scoring games of the night.
I like the over in that one.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Pres Joe. Let's go to the mailback section, and before
we get there, guys put up comments. Ask us questions.
We are here. You know you want to know whether
to buy have a point? Ask us you want to
know what sport is the best sport to bet? Ask
us you want to know what day is the best
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us ask us questions. So Joe, one of our listeners
came up with a really good point that I want
to talk about. He says that the Canadian and the
orange guy this is from they. I'm glad he said
the Canadian and the red guy are dickheads.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
That means how do you feel about that? Dude? Okay,
do you want to Yeah? The best comment up there,
Joe our boy a munchkin rights, this show should be
called the funniest betting show ever. Nine people responded to that,
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and I don't agree.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Should we change the name?
Speaker 2 (50:18):
No? No, no, And people need to enjoy it to
be surprised when they watch it. There press Otherwise, we
put entirely too much pressure on ourselves to be funny.
And let's face it, Brian Power is not that funny.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, and we put no pressure on being funny. We
just do what we do. What else is up here?
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (50:38):
And some guy went ballistic on you with your college
basketball picks. He's like, stay away from college basketball, Joe niary. Guys,
this is a moment in time and Joe how's your
college hoops going.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yeah, I'm still the number one basketball handicapper. Way to
talk so and yes we're still ahead on the season
here with three hundred and seventy five games a day.
I would settle down and uh and just be in
it for the long run. It's a marathon, not a sprint, guys. Yeah,
trust deep Fry. Deep Ry Wrights learned a lot watching
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this channel. That means a lot to us. Deep Fry,
thank you for that. He also loves the show. Mike
Lloyd wants to know whiser so much hate on Sanders.
I don't think we gave Sanders any hate yesterday. Are Yeah, well,
I mean we just call it what it is, right,
well hate If the guy had an eight point seven
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QBR and we're all acting like, oh boy, yeah, he's
gotta he's gonna run. If it wasn't for the ten
sacks by Miles Garrett and company, then they might not
have won that game. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Joe David Gary writes forty nine Ers dead last in
sacks and pressure rate, Panthers win twenty seven twenty six.
Forget about the fact that he was wrong. Was I
what do you think of this Panther team really quick.
I mean, you know, this is one of the most
confusing teams I've ever seen in my betting life. They
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couldn't move the ball.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, I didn't expect them to be. I thought they'd
have a little more success. And by the way, how
many more interceptions from ball teams are we throwing in
the end zone? I'm just curious how many times are
we going to get the ball and throw an interception
in the end zone. It was a little crazy the press.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Four interceptions. I think there were four interceptions and we
were only in the second quarter.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
H No, there were five total. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, Well, and Twine Bennett, Chicago wins the division. I'm
not with them there. I think Detroit wins the division,
or or even Green Bay before Chicago. I think they're
going to regress though.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
They're minus three point differential press and they're eight and three.
At some point that's going to regress to the middle
and that's not going to be good for Chicago.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Yeah, and then we have elf rights. Poor Brian. The
bullying was intense, So I just want to stop and
say there was no bullying. We didn't bully Brian. Bullying.
Bullying is mean spirited. Give me your Sandwidge, give me
your lunch money. Push you in a corner, spin on you.
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We showed Brian a ton of love. Yes elf must
be female if she thinks we were bullying. And old
men know, the more you tease your friend, the more
you love your friend.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
It comes back every Monday.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
So we love Brian power. That's the show, bro, Thanks
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Don't we bet them? We're going to talk about that.
We've got early college football bets, early NFL bets, an
NBA rundown, a college basketball rundown. I'll give you a
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Going on with you? Bro?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Now much? Boys? Happy to be here?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
What is this thing hanging around your neck?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Like my chain?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's called a wire? A wire. I haven't seen those
apple thing of my jiggy's in a long time, one
of these, But yet I wear these and people ask
me why, and the answer is because my voice sounds
so great in them. Joe, how you.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Doing, bro outstanding?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's a Turkey week. Don't get any better than this week?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, I don't understand why listen, I'm Canadian. I fully
your the love in America, Thanksgiving is extremely high, and
I'm not insulting it. I just don't understand it specifically.
Why is it better than Easter or Christmas or Independence
Day or President Lawrence Presman Day. I mean, these are
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the biggest days in America. Why Thanksgiving? Why does it
sit at the top of Mount Rushmore for holidays?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, Art, do you want to take you want to
inform them?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Or I mean family? Family, food, and football? Man, that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Family. Oh so it's the football because well technically you
could do that on Christmas anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Sure, I was particular talking about you know, nine thousand
hockey games, nine thousand college basketball games. Uh, put up
for shut up time? College football final week in a
regular season playoffs.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
This is yesterday on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, well I didn't. I said it's Thanksgiving week. It
wasn't just that week Giving. I said the Wei it's
the greatest one.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
It's Black Friday coming up and Cyber Monday, and we
got deals for you guys. We'll get too later. Art,
Let's go man. Falcons and Jets, Shut up, Joe, Falcons
and Jets, Texans and Colts, Jags and Titans. You're gonna
tell us where the members on those three games.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
One hundred they bet the sharp sped Atlanta already they
laid one all the way up two and a half
on that game. Right now, thirty nine and a half
has pretty pretty much been our steady total. Really haven't
budged off that. Texans at Cults, what a big game
in the AFC South Division still open. I mean the
Texans are creeping up the board. The winning games look
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like they're gonna get Stroud back. It doesn't matter though.
They laid three and a half with Indy. We're now
four and a half. Total's been bet down though, from
forty five and a half to forty four. That is
a sharp move. Jagg's Titans. You know, we were as
high as seven, so a little bit of Titan money
at seven. We're now jagged six and a half total
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forty two. Really hasn't budged off that That Titan seven
money though, really just people taking you know, when the
board was split six and a half, seven people coming
in cleaning up our board taking seven. Really nothing to
report as far as sharp as that goes with the seven.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
You know that Indy Houston game is interesting art because
you've got I believe this is the first time Indy
is actually home in like forever. I think that last
game was October twenty six, and Houston has been nothing
at home here. I believe Stroud is going for this,
or at least they're hoping he'll be ready, But it
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doesn't feel like whether it's Stroud or Davis Mills, you're
going to see a whole lot one way or the other.
It just appears that, you know, the money is going
to be coming in on Indy, but I'm not sure
the public's gonna see it that way because a recency bias.
What are you seeing? Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
We're kind of figuring Stroud is going to play, But
like I said, that initial money is on the Colt
and it moved us to, you know, from three and
a half to four and a half. I think the
interesting thing is how the Sharps instantly saw forty five
and a half, despite the Colts being the highest scoring
team in the league. That Houston defense plays a style
that doesn't really allow for overs, so they already bet
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that down. Now does it reach a point where maybe
we bought them out on the number and they.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Bet it back up? That is possible.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Joe and aary Art Deseason joining us. Hit that like button.
Everybody subscribe to our channel and make sure to comment.
Yesterday we had over two hundred comments. Was an amazing show,
so much fun to read all those comments. Joe I
had to call Brian Power yesterday to check on him.
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Is our abuse a little bit too much?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I'm glad you have his number because I'd just had
to wait until next Monday to see if he was
if he was still breathing and going to allow for
another round of abuse. But kudos to him. He loves
coming by, he takes it, he punches back. He's a
good guy. Good ol Brian Power.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, we definitely love Brian Power, and it's the reason
we have him on art. We're gonna do the three
Thanksgiving games tomorrow as there's no Thursday show, so stay
with us tomorrow. We'll get to those three Thanksgiving games.
Let's go to some college football here. You want to
talk about Western Michigan, East Eastern Michigan, Ohio Buffalo and
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Air Force against Colorado State.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah, no, Western Michigan Eastern Michigan is actually Today, Western
Michigan wins. They're in the MAC Title Games. This is
a big game for them Sharp's late six and a half.
They laid seven all the way up to eight now
on that. So a lot of Western Michigan money has
come in on the game. Total of forty six and
a half really hasn't budged Ohio Buffalo Sharp's late six
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and a half of Ohio. It's now seven. But the
under is the big move. It was under forty seven.
Money that came in moved us all the way to
forty four on the game. So you've seen a three
point move to the under, and then air Force at
Colorado State Sharps took three. With Colorado State, we got
to as low as one on the game. They've now
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bought back a little bit on air Force, but it's
still under. The field goal total has also been bet
down from forty seven to forty five. Sharp money again
on the under there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So ar you know, this is a pretty big week
because you do have a lot of those teams that
have five wins going up against teams that you know, hey, listen,
one more win, they're bawl eligible. They're going I know,
there's a lot, you know, five win teams, teams like
Florida State Ball or Kansas Kansas State. Do you see
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at Penn State Rutgers. I mean, do you guys factor
that in? Do you shade to the one side of
the other thinking the public's gonna be like, oh, this
team needs to win to get to a bowl game.
How do you factor that in at the books?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Well, you definitely have to shade maybe half a point
here or there. But also, Joe, you got to remember,
we let our betters give us a lot of the information.
You know, there are plenty of times they might not
even touch a team who is trying to win to
be Bawl eligible. But if they start to get on
one side of a team who needs to win to
be bowl eligible, then we really will move aggressively and
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almost say you know what, well, dare you to bet
the other side? You want to come at the other side?
That's fine. That happens a lot. There's also like the
Western Michigan situation. They teams that need to win to
get into conference championship games, things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
So obviously this is a big week.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
And a week in the college football game where you
might see games that are under the radar that don't
mean anything with teams record wise, But as you mentioned
teams are fighting to get in the bowl games art.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
The cas are enjoining us always every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday
and Friday from the West Gate Art. There are three
NBA games, one NHL game, and seven thousand college basketball games.
Have you spotted anything we need to know about any
of those sports?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
The one thing I will say with the college basketball
and that Players Error Tournament which is here in Vegas,
those have generated wonderful handle and during this week with
all the tournaments and the good matches and college basketball,
we always get a pretty good handle on these games. But
the games being here, the matches being as spectacular as
they are, we've seen really good handle on those games.
And we've seen a lot of those games get back
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over a lot of games with those teams in the
tempos moving up and down, a lot of a lot
of games have been bet over.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
In those games. You've seen some pretty good moves there.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Awesome stuff. If you're like that segment, hit that like
button please, Okay, let's get moving. So we won our
parlay of the day on Saturday. How did we do
on Sunday?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
We didn't win one leg?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
We went oh and three?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Did wow? Blaming Joe I know that's the first time.
I might be the first time all year that we
actually listen blast out.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I took the Raiders, So get our hand.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Up, good dude, And uh, I mean, do you make
what do you make of this Raiders team so bad?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It's just well they figured it out. It's Chip Kelly's fault.
So things gotta be to be great this week.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yes, we spoke about that. Yesterday Chip Kelly talked about
doesn't he long for the days where he coached Oregon?
That's for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Man. Ever since then, it's been I won.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
A national championship last year as the OCE of Ohio
State and you opted to go to Pete Carroll, Gino
Smith and the Raiders. Boy Benny Wishers, he was still
in Ohio State. I'm just saying, my goodness, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, well, I mean I don't even know if Pete
Carroll is coaching or mailing it in anyway. Let's get
to our parley of the day and I'm gonna go
into the hockey game. Guys, I'm gonna look at the
over in the Dallas Edmonton Oilers game. There are sixes
out there. It's half and half. Please take over six
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in the Dallas Edmonton game. Art, what do you like?
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I'm gonna go to that Player's Era tournament Michigan and All.
I'm gonna take Michigan on the money line to beat all.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
M Joe.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Lakers get it done tonight against the La Slippers, as
Lebron and company will handle business at home.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, I think Steve Balmer probably had a whole head
of hair before he started in the NBA, although we
know that's not true, but you understand my point. Yeah, exactly. Okay,
So guys, every Tuesday and Wednesday, we do a segment
called Fade or Not. We pick some NFL teams. We
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discussed whether to fade them or not fade them. Today
we're going to do both East. So we're gonna do
the AFC East and the NFC East. We're gonna start
with the AFC East, the New England Patriots. This is
a team that is ten and two to start the year.
They are at They are them and the Broncos. They
are right behind the Broncos. Nobody saw this coming, although
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we did expect an improvement from this team. There are
points four three exceptional. I mean, this team is scoring
at a very high level. Are they a fade team
moving forward or is this a team art that is
just going to continue to do what they're doing. Well.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
They're probably going to continue to win because the schedules
so bad, but now their prices are getting a little inflated,
So I don't know. Maybe there's a couple of spots
down the road here against some of these bad teams
where they're laying a point and a half to two
and a half points more than they probably should, so
maybe you could look to fade them. But they're going
to keep winning games because because the schedules better.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, Joe, they're minus seven and a half against the
New York Giants, who did show a lot of moxy
against the Detroit Lions last week. Is this a New
England team, a fade or bet on team for you?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I'm not buying them. I think what you saw last
week against the Bengals that is going to rear its
head more and more as the season progresses. I mean,
Drake may a fantastic job, but the idea that he's
even in the same breath as Matt Stafford, we're crowning
this guy in MVP here. And third, you know, Week
twelve and eleven of the season and accomplish something first,
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because you know, they won, you know, in spite of him,
they ended up winning that game barely. So I think
the Patriots, you know, if you haven't already thought about
it at ten and two, now might be the time
to sell high here on the Patriots moving forward.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, and I agree with you, Joe. I think you know,
even with this Monday Night's game, I think to play
looking forward is on the Giants, and I think they
are a team that the public is going to inflate
the lines on. So I think you guys were all
in agreement.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Good news. By the way, it doesn't appear like they
lost their stud rookie offensive lineman for the rest of them,
so that that's good. Everyone thought it was they lost him,
it was going to be a knee issue, but apparently
it wasn't as bad as first thoughts. So that is
good news for the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You know who did not lose a stud offensive lineman
that Las Vegas Raiders, Oh, because they never had one
to start had once had one, Yes they did, yeah, Colton.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Mill And then once they lost him, they really went
to shit.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I don't know how we got back into that. Oh
that's on me. Okay, let's talk. Let's turn our attention
to the Buffalo Bills, and man, there is something wrong
in Buffalo. I think their coach needs to go personally.
They are in Pittsburgh this week minus three and a half.
There are fours out there. I'm going out on a
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limb here, art to Caesar, I am looking to bet
on Buffalo moving forward. I just believe in Josh Allen.
I believe that they're at their best after they're at
their worst. I like them this weekend. I like them
moving forward. Maybe I'm just a sucker for Buffalo art.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yeah, I don't know what to make of this Buffalo team.
But speaking of it, if you like Buffalo now, maybe
it's the time to buy some of their futures.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, I mean and and reliance.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, I mean, maybe this is your time. If you
want Buffalo for the AFC, you want Buffalo for the
super Bowl. Division is probably dead. But if you want
to take a shot with a couple of those futures,
this is probably the time now to get in on Buffalo.
I don't just press I don't like the Pittsburgh team,
so I can see Buffalo this.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Joe yeah, I put Buffalo in the same category as
the Chiefs. If you haven't stuck a fork in the
Chiefs yet. There is absolutely no reason to stick a
fork in the Buffalo Bills just yet. Too much experience.
I feel like we've been here before with Buffalo where
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they they have this stretch every year where we do
exactly this, like, oh God, this team can't you know,
McDermott's gotta go, this guy's gotta go, and then all
of a sudden, you know, beginning like week fourteen, fifteen
sixteen said, then they roll right into the playoffs and
they look like world beaters, and I think we're I
think we'd be foolish to fade both Kansas City and
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Buffalo just yet. So and I think to ours point,
the time has never been better to buy low on
the Buffalo Bills then right now.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, And I feel like I feel like everything we're
talking about applies to the Detroit Lions as well. From
my perspective of veteran team with a master motivator as
a coach, I think, if you're gonna buy futures on
the Lions, you buy them now. If you're gonna buy
futures on Buffalo, you buy it all more so.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I mean, if the season ends to today, pres Buffalo's in.
Detroit's out right, so right, even more so now with Detroit,
which is what makes this game coming up Thursday, Kitchen
Saint lay it all out there, Detroit, because if you
lose this one, it ain't looking good moving forward.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Well, I mean you can again make that argument with
Green Bay too. Green Bay loses on Thursday, and I
think they're done. I don't see three teams coming out
of that division. Let's keep to the AFC East and
let's talk about the winners of two straight Miami Doltlin's.
There's something positive coming out of their dressing room, which
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is crazy. Mike McDaniel is going to be coaching next year.
That's what the owner already announced.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Art.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I don't know what dal to make this team, but
I will say this, they are trying, they are playing.
They're minus six against New Orleans. I think they might
be a bet on team this week. Art, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Don't know what you mean, and I gotta be fair.
I called for McDaniel's head like six weeks ago. Give
him all the credit in the world. They play for him,
and they've been a lot better. Miami with that six
is gonna be very popular in the teasers. I'll say
that they're not gonna be like a big hey, we'll
go lay six, but shockingly enough, Miami will be popular
moneyline parlays and teasers. I don't know if I want
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to go lay six, but maybe there are some spots
down the road because of how hard they are playing
where you can look to back Miami, Joe, Miami.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
No, listen, I've seen this movie over and over and
over every this is exactly the game Miami loses. They
lose this game to the Saints, and then we all
going what in the world were we thinking? How in
the hell we should they should have burned it from
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and telling you what's happening. Absolutely, you can go.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Go in reverse too, because because this is the game
that New Orleans screws up their draft pick.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, that's exactly correct. I have seen this movie with
Miami all the time. They show these flashes of brilliance
and then all of a sudden it's like, oh my god, yeah, no,
no way, it's a right now with people being like,
WHOA not bad Miami, I've been pretty good. No, No,
they're gonna they're gonna screw this thing up. And there's
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still plenty of time for McDaniel and the chopping bloc arts,
so don't worry. The season ain't over yet. Plenty of
time for him to get canned.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Okay, let's talk about the wonderful New York Jets, and uh,
they're playing with their coach right now. They're plus two
and a half at home against Atlanta. I think this
is a fade team. Personally, I don't think I'm gonna
be on this game at all, but I think the
New York Jets stick a fork in them are what.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
I mean, they've the sharps. Have already told you when
Atlanta was won. They've got them up to do an. Now,
you guys know the key number of three. If we
get to three, there will be Jet money, just because
it's an NFL team getting three at home. That's the
way they bet it. They bet the numbers. They're not
going to look at the team. But I'm with you, Prez.
I think moving forward the Jets, it's just too many mistakes.
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I get that they're playing hard for the guy, but
offensively they're so challenge Joe.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Listen, I sat here last week when we were doing
our early NFL bets and I said, it's gross, it's disgusting,
hold your nose. But you got to take the points
with the Jets because there's no way that you know
that Ravens team should be laying two touchdowns against anybody,
and sure enough, the Jets, I'm telling you right now,
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if he doesn't fumble the ball on the two yard
line there, we're having a different conversation about this Jets team. Here. Listen,
you can't fake effort, right Those guys realize what's going
on there. They're playing hard. They got nothing to lose.
If you can keep rolling out Tyrod, They're never going
to there is never ever going to be a game.
I think the rest of the way where we're gonna
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be like, oh, the Jets are over value. They're always
gonna be the value play. So I definitely think there's
gonna be spots to back them again because the market
is so going to be against them for the rest.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Of the way, And that makes sense, Joe, there will
be value to back them. I mean, I know I'm
still kicking myself with taking the Las Vegas Raiders last week.
I mean, one of my biggest rules as a sports
better is to stay away from the bottom five teams
in every league. And I understand that there's a lot
of value in the bottom five teams in every league.
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I just by rule don't bet on them. And I
broke that rule last Sunday.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Especially when bottom five teams play bottom five teams. There's
not any expecting land teams to do good things. Is
just never will formal.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Then you just take the overs. When those two shitters
play against each other, just take the overs because that's
pretty much the only time New Orleans and Miami, right, Like,
when is New Orleans gonna score points? Well? Probably in
this game. Okay, let's go into the NFC, the East,
the Eagles. So this Eagles team is fascinating to me, Guys,
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I think that they can win the Super Bowl. I'm
telling you that right now. I think that if they
can find a way to stretch the field, and we
saw them trying to do that at the beginning against Dallas.
If they can stretch the field, I think this is
the best team in football. The problem is they have
not been able to consistently find a passing game. I
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think this team is a bet on team moving forward, Guys,
and last year we saw this story play out. They
spent the or seven weeks struggling to create distance. They're
a bet on team for me. Moving forward, I think
we see Philadelphia start to roll art.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
A man, uh Press, I'm with you. They obviously are
a team who could win the Super Bowl. I'd like
to see him run the ball more more, Barkley more.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Stretch the field first, for sure.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
But I love their running game. I don't know why
they don't lose it more. I think Bigsby should get
more run.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
That's just me. This week is interesting because obviously.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
They play Black Friday, they play Chicago, who's been hot,
and they're laying a big number at home, and I
feel like they will bet Chicago this week.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
It feels like a.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Spot where the public will bet Chicago and they will fade.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Philly here.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
And I think Philly is the play in that game
despite the big number.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Joe. Before I get your opinion, I just want to
tell you, guys, I've been watching the sau documentary and
this is a picture of Okay, what is he wearing?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
A good question?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
What is a superhero?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Sat? It's a great gold dead shirts. My new favorite player.
Go see who they are.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
He's a dead head, no chance, deadhead.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
He clearly did this enough. It's the sniff test. It
was a clean shirt and that was the That was
the end of that.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
It's like when they wear a Nirvana T shirt. They
have no idea.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
No, Okay, well, I'm going to assume that he is
a deadhead. Joe Philly is Philly fate for you.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
He'd be better off being a deadhead than to try
and gain. Where is Philadelphia shipping out these offensive linemen
that you think they're so bent on moving forward? We
missed the boat on on squeezing out every last dollar
on his Eagles team. Heading into that Cowboys game, they
were undefeated in one score games. Every game is one
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score with them, and that that running game is not
going to get better. Lane Johnson is out again, he's
heard who knows jargons the center still banged up. Their
backups aren' very good. There is a lot of chatter
about the offensive play calling, and you know you're not
replacing Ben Johnson. I mean you're not replacing them obviously,
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So I think they have far too many issues on offense. Yeah,
they have moments, what they look good, Prez, But if
they can't run the ball, then you're asking Jalen Hurts
to what throw forty times a game? And we already
know what happens when you get pressure on them, think
good things don't happen. So I think the problem is
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the longer it goes that they can't run the ball
and sustain drives, they're gonna wear that defense out because
that defense is gonna be out of the field unfortunately,
like they were against the Cowboys in the second half,
much longer than they need to be. And we're seeing
the same thing with Green Bay. You're gonna bury the unit,
burn this defense out before they get to the postseason.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, I'll tell you that. If they don't burn out
either of those defenses, they're really good. I mean the
Eagles defense is really really good.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Run the ball, boy guys, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
This Cowboy team. They got to be feeling really good
about themselves. They are five and five. There is a
pathway for them. They got the Chiefs this week at home,
both teams in an absolute game. Well I don't know
what that is, but I think the Cowboys are a
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I don't know team art and I just don't because
every time this team comes out and plays like world beaters.
The next week they can't put up a field goal
and vice versa. I don't understand this team, That's what
I'm going with. I don't understand the Cowboys art.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah, I mean, listen, their defense obviously is improved with
a lot of the guys games. Yes, it's a massive
game on Thanksgiving against the Chiefs, who are also desperate to.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Continue to win year.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
I don't I mean, I would say, far far away
from this game, I don't know what to make of it,
But Dallas moving forward, maybe in spots you can look to.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Better Joe, listen.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I mean, I think the stat was today I saw
there pez that for this week. Kansas City is the
only road favorite of the three games on Thanksgiving, and
road favorites are twenty five and one on Thanksgiving, going
back to going back a long time. I think since
two thousand and four. They just they don't lose these
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games on Thanksgiving. And that's what I'm just saying. That's
a pretty impressive number on a short week coming in
and being a road favorite. And I guess you're a
road favorite for a reason in this spot. Better teams
tend to be able to adjust on the road. Having
said that, I don't like the Kansas City had to
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go to all overtime. I like that Dallas gets to
stay home. And now Dallas, who was defensively a punching bag,
no longer that. And now maybe you give that offense
a little bit of an opportunity here to cook. And
they certainly have enough weapons. I think Dallas is absolutely
bet on moving forward. That defense is no longer the
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worst and the laughingstock in the NFL. Jerry, can you
believe it actually might have pulled a rabbit out of
his ass here with that trade for Quinnon Williams, I
want to talk.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
About so trendoff twenty I one against the spread twenty
one straight up, straight up? Yeah, that's very important. Yes,
I'd like to know what they are against the spread.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It's not what you think it is here, Bras, I'll
get it for you here. It's even it's a ridiculous
number as well, they are, oh it is, it is.
It's just as profitable to put them on the number.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
So let's talk about that, because there has to be
some reason for that. Trend twenty five and one is
massive and that's twenty you know six case example of
twenty six. Do you bet into that trend? You care
about that trend? I am thinking that that trend has
(29:14):
substance to it, and I do not want to bet
into it.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Twenty five and one straight up, twenty and six against
the number on Thanksgiving since two thousand and four are
the only loss you'll like This art was back in
two thousand and nine when the Giants lost to the
Broncos twenty six to six. But other than that, it
has been you know, road favorites on Thanksgiving apparently our
(29:40):
favorites for a reason, and don't be scared of bagging them.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, So would you bet? Would you bet against that trend?
That's the question? Would you If you love the Dallas
they they're a better matchup rolling this that sandwich, spot
let down this, not let down that, whatever the hell
you reason and tzarre if you come up with Dallas.
Would you bet into that Kansas City trend?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
No? And I'll tell you why. Another trend? You ready
for a trend off? Here? Guys? You're ready for this?
Strap out music? How about teams on short rest coming
off an overtime game taking on a team that didn't
go to overtime. Yeah. Twenty six and forty eight straight up,
(30:27):
twenty four, forty seven and three against the number in
the last twenty years. If you are playing a team
on a Thursday that came from an overtime game six
and twenty one straight up, five and twenty two against
the number, are those teams that played in overtime.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
So that counter is your opposite trends is the death
media music for our credit record. But I will say this, Joe,
the second trend for me logically doesn't hold as much. Wait,
the second trend feels more coincidental to me. Now, I
(31:05):
could be wrong, but you got it. When you hear
these trends, guys, and lots of Andy Kappers have them.
This team on a Tuesday standing on one leg with
the biometric chemistry of XYZ is blabbady blah blah. Don't
just assume that these trends make sense. Some of them
are just things. That second one has merit, but not
(31:30):
nearly the type of merit that the first trend had.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I'll tell you this because if you break it down
even further art, if Kansas City was in Arrowhead playing
this game coming off the overtime, I'd agree with you, Prez.
But now they have to go on a short week
and travel to Dallas and road teams in that spot
nine and twenty eight straight up eleven, twenty five and
one against the number. I don't like the travel aspect art.
(31:56):
What about you?
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Yeah, I think the big thing is Joe, you hit
it there. So we're now in late November week thirteen.
The teams that are favored on the road this late
in the season are favored for a reason. Right, we
have had all these weeks of data and moving our
power ratings, So it makes sense that those teams going
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on the road this late in the season win and
cover at that type of rate because you know, they're
favored for a reason. We have had so much data
now to suggest, well, these teams are so much better. Yeah,
they have to be favored on the road, So the
trend makes sense to me.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, I agree. Let's keep moving Commodores and Giants. We'll
go through them both at the same time. Washington is
a bet against team for me, and I think the
Giants are a bet on team, although obviously I want
to know who's playing quarterback, but they're playing hard, aren't.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
I definitely want to know who's playing quarterback. But that
doesn't stop me from wanting to bet they're overs. Yes,
I think we all said it last week. We love
that over in that Lion game. Giant overs feel nice.
I will say this about Washington. I do think they
are fade team. And I get that both dem and
Denver are coming off buys, it feels like a big
number for Denver to lay on the road. I understand
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defense travels and all that, and Washington's really bad, but
it feels like a thick number for Denver to go
lay on the road against Washington.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Agreed Joe, Yeah, I think Washington is done. I think
we can stick a fork in that season and everything else.
And I kind of agree with you there are I
don't think the Commanders are going to get a whole
lot offensively. And while I would agree that maybe the
overs in their games are the way to look, I'm
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not sure this is a game that I would do that.
They did play pretty tough last game out there defensively,
but the injuries have just mounted up there. It's I
don't trust bow Nicks offensively either. I mean, I think
that's a problem. So I would be looking especially on
the road or them being home. Washington I'd be looking
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maybe to play some team totals under in these spots
against better defenses.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
What a segment, boys, I love that fade or not? Guys,
what do you want to hear it tomorrow? Which divisions
in the NFL should we discuss fate or not? Put
it up in the comment section. Please. Aren't anything special
happening at the west Gate? But Thanksgiving? Are you guys
going to be serving turkey on the floor?
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Oh no, it's enough, set set.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Listen why those are open? Twenty four to seven, three
sixty five? It's just another day, Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Just another day at the West Gate. Go visit Art
to Caesar at the west Gate, Given and love.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Just another day? Is that a Commodore song? Art? Maybe?
I don't know. I thought maybe that was. I don't
know it. I don't know. He said Commodore's And I
can't get Lionel, Richie or brick House out of my
head now, So thanks press, appreciate that brick got the brick.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Oh boy, sexy Joe Joe, zoo zoo me out, Joe,
suit me out?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Where am I going? Okay, I gotta go?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
H you see it?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
New helmets?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Oh that's right, you mix. Is that an old school
Green Bay helmets? To look at? Nice?
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I want to show you the Green Bay helmet.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
All right, let's see what we got here looking at
Oh a, look at that Bart start Star. You did right,
look at it?
Speaker 1 (35:59):
So these hell m's are the actual helmets that they wore.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Is that Bart Star's hair? Is that what I just
saw on there? Is that?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Is that a with bart Star's pubic hair?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Boy?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Anyway?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
That helmet is so light and so thin with basically
nothing in it compared to like Lawrence Taylor's helmet. I mean,
it's just it's a radical difference.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
In his helmet. Any anything white in his helmet? No, Okay,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Joe, where is Lawrence Taylor these days? Is he a
live still?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Alive?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, we're still down a little. That's a good question.
Last I heard though, he was in trouble. He was
being sued or or something. I believe he's down in
my neck of the woods as actually I believe he's
down here.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Oh in Montreal. They sold his super Bowl ring.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Okay, anyway, he get out of here, so yeah, well
he can afford to sell one.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Mark, Thanks for doing this with us, brother, We'll see
you tomorrow. Guys, we got we got lots of show
left lots. We got a couple of NFL picks coming
your way. Same with college football. Joe's going to do
an NBA rundown and a college basketball runner. I'll give
you a quick breakdown on the NHL game, and we
have our mail back segment. But before we get into
(37:33):
any of that, it's time for some Okay, let's get
into some business. Joe. It is customer Appreciation Day, over
it wager talk. It's Tuesday. What does that mean? That
means every handicapper picks their best play and sells it
for only five dollars. That's five dollars. My play is
(37:54):
my first four percent NBA bet this entire season, my
first four percent NBA bet, and Joe, I have freacking
dominating the sport. Firstly, I won my NBA play last
night on the Raptors. I didn't even need the points. Secondly,
I'm on a seven and one run in NBA, but
(38:14):
put that aside. I'm sixty percent on the NBA season.
I'm up double digits profits on the NBA season. I
have not had a losing NBA season in three years.
I'm up over one hundred units in NBA over that time.
This has become one of my best sports, if not
my best sport. It happened out of the blue. I
(38:38):
restructured my team three and a half years ago and
since then it has been spectacular. So I have an
NBA play up to night. It's only five dollars. I
also have a five percent play in the NFL this weekend.
It is a monster. I very rarely have these five
percent plays. I've had about forty of them since the
(39:00):
beginning of the year, so these plays are extremely, extremely rare.
And I got that where you were half price. Use
the coupon code half price half price. Half is spelt
with an l HA l F half price, so half
(39:24):
price is the coupon code. You get my five percent
play for half price. Joe, what do you got going?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Am?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Is there an al in health?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, it's a hell of a point there price, I am,
And well done for thinking of that to use as
a code. Well done. I have a customer appreciation day.
It's all about well the appreciation, guys. I do have
an early bet that I made in the NFL this
week that is up and available now for five bucks,
(39:57):
I will be just a hand fading the public here,
so check that out. Also, I have a early college
basketball slate of games going on are told you in Vegas,
and I've got three of them right now for five bucks.
That you can start the day off rattling off some
winners there in college hoops. Get it going. That too,
(40:20):
is for just five buckses. I can't seem to get
me on the screen press, so we're just gonna keep
looking at you. There you go, boom, five bucks, five
dollars across the board. People, that's what you.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Got it, Joe. I want to tell you something.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
You are not.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Allowed to sell three plays for five dollars. That is
not the rule. It is one play for five dollars.
You are not allowed to package them together. You did
that last week, nobody said a thing. You did it
this week, and given that I'm one of the owners
of wager Talk, I'm still not going to say anything.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Keep call me crazy. Five. It's a five dollars package,
not necessarily play. It's labeled package, so nope, it's it
would normally be twenty nine, but instead it's five.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
So wrong, wrong, wrong, Well, in that.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Case, you better do all three plays for five bucks, guys,
because Zac Carly, I won't be allowed to do it anymore,
so I can't give away to play. So go ahead,
five bucks, go grab it over at wage you're talking.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, So in the future I may make a suggestion
to to to to circumvent the rule. Yes, put it
up as one play and then on the bottom say
bonus two extra for you.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Oh I like the way you're thinking. All right, there
you go. Okay, semantics scomatos to model love it boom.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Okay, brother, we got some NFL bets coming from college
football bets. Why don't you go first with the college
football bets, Joe, only, because you then got to do
NBA and college Jube, So you you go first with
the college football all right?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
You want me to go first with college football? And
I'm going to make this very simple here, guys, theres
and I'm gonna be since I'm in that giving mood,
it's going to be two for one number one. I
am going to give you Western Michigan here tonight to
get it done. You heard Art say this opened up
six and a half. It's already been but up to seven,
(42:27):
seven and a half. He's at eight. There are still
seven and a half available in the market. And listen,
I've been cashing tickets on Western Michigan all year long.
Here they have been one of the better under the
radar teams, not only because they have one of the
best defenses in the country and certainly in the MAC,
(42:48):
but they're very good at running the ball. They're home,
it's senior night. If they win, then they're heading to
Detroit for the MAC title game. Here. I'm expecting a
big effort for them. So yes, I am gonna go
with Western Michigan tonight's as well, pres as I am
gonna fade Air Force, who has nothing left to play
(43:11):
for taking on Colorado State. So I'll take Colorado State
on the money.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Loan, Joe, you have a full minute left. Who cares,
Let's get.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
The same Well, yeah, it's yours. It's supposed to be split.
I only took a minute for college football and just.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Oh yeah, I'm only giving one NFL playout. Well, I'll
give it out right now due to La Chargers. Let's
not overthink this. Currently, the Las Vegas Raiders are being
sacked Gino Smith. He got sacked about two minutes ago. Look,
here's the bottom line minus nine and a half. Now,
I have to assume that the LA Chargers could put
up ten points. If they put up ten points, they
(43:47):
cover nine and a half. That's how bad the Las
Vegas Raiders offense is. We gotta believe that the La
Chargers are gonna get over twenty In all seriousness here, guys,
I think the LA Chargers are gonna get up twenty
seven points, give or take. There is absolutely no way
that the Las Vegas Raiders are putting up seventeen points.
They're not putting up thirteen points. I don't think they
(44:10):
put up nine. I am not overthinking this. The Chargers
off of a buy playing a team that emotionally must
be completely drained. Just take the Chargers minus the nine
and a half and let's catch some coin Joe kind
of like today.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, I kind of like where you're heading with that one, Prez.
I think that's the best way to approach that. All Right,
NBA rundown here, and let's start, of course with the
NBA Cup, because that's what you've got going on here today.
You've got Atlanta taking on Washington in game one, and
we all realize that, well, Washington is what's the word
(44:50):
ass total ass. They've won one game on the season,
one in fifteen. They sure as hell ain't gonna win
two against this Atlanta ha Hawks team, who is one
in one in NBA Cup. Play this group play here.
By the way, Toronto's already won that group, but the
Hawks will have an opportunity to go ahead and face
(45:13):
Cleveland in the next game. And then it comes down
to point differential. They only have an eight point differential
right now plus eight, which means they are going to
want to blow the doors off the Wizards here, and
I think they do that and cover this number here tonight.
The Magic taking on the sixes. Boy, the Magic have
been absolutely outstanding. They are going to take on a
(45:37):
Philadelphia seventy six ers team who at this point are
still trying to mix and match. Can we get McClain going,
Can Paul George get it going? And Bead who the
hell knows? Maybe it's time that we move on for him.
This number has continued to move towards the Magic, and
I agree with it. And then I already gave you
the Lakers earlier in our three team money line parlay,
(46:01):
and I like the Lakers to get it done. Lebron's
in the house, although Kawhia is back, but I'm not
sure that's gonna help this Clippers team. It is at
the Crypto dot Com Arena. I think Reeves and Luca
and Lebron and company get it done in a big
way tonight. Here, Prez, and I've left you now a
little time for your NHL breakdown of the one game tonight.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yeah, Joe, Look, the only way you can bet the
Dallas Edmonton game is to take over the total. And
I don't want you to take over six and a half.
You got to take over six. The bottom line here
is that Edmonton can't keep the puck out of the net.
They've allowed nine to five, to five and seven goals
in four of their last nine games. You cannot allow
nine goals in a hockey game and then three days
(46:45):
later allow seven goals. This team is horrible defensively and
have no goal to ending. And we know they can score.
Don't overthink this. Dallas can score as well. Dallas has
scored two or more goals in and straight Just take
over six. Call of a day. What's going on in
college hoops?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
All right? So let's go to that players tournament here
in Las Vegas, And the reason why the handle has
been so good is because there's a lot of blue bloods,
a lot of big names playing hoops here today, and
it's gonna start rather early. But one of the big
games is gonna be to Houston Cougar's taking on the
(47:26):
Tennessee Volves here. Now, Houston was taken to the brink
last night by a undermanned Syracuse team. Syracuse still didn't
even have their best player available to them, won't have
them available for the rest of this tournament either, but
they were good enough to take Houston to overtime, in
which Houston they ended up handling business eventually and won
(47:49):
the game. But if it's one thing we know about
both of these two teams is they're gonna play defense,
and I mean a lot of defense here. This game
should be an absolute rock fight between these two. We've
already seen money come in on the under it was
one thirty five and a half. I think we're down
to about one thirty three and a half, maybe even
(48:11):
one thirty two and a half. And who are we
kidding The idea that these two teams are gonna run
up and down the court, not happening. Houston's still trying
to figure out its offensive identity. We already know what
Tennessee is. Tennessee is gonna be suffocating here. This is
gonna be a first one to seventy is gonna win,
(48:32):
and I think that's gonna give us enough to be
able to get the under here in this game tonight.
And then you got Michigan Auburn. Pretty interesting stuff here
with this Michigan team who had no problem handling their
business last night against Oregon. They're taking on an Auburn
team that he has a little pissed off here that
everyone has kind of mailed it in on them this
(48:55):
season once Bruce Pearl retired. Well, Bruce Pearl's son is
the one running it, and you know what, they're doing
a pretty good job here. I think this is going
to be one of the higher scoring games of the night.
I like the over in that one.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Pres Joe. Let's go to the mailback section, and before
we get there, guys put up comments. Ask us questions.
We are here. You know you want to know whether
to buy have a point? Ask us you want to
know what sport is the best sport to bet? Ask
us you want to know what day is the best
day to bet? No answer to that, but hey, ask
(49:29):
us ask us questions. So Joe, one of our listeners
came up with a really good point that I want
to talk about. He says that the Canadian and the
orange guy this is from they. I'm glad he said
the Canadian and the red guy are dickheads.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
That means how do you feel about that? Dude? Okay,
do you want to Yeah? The best comment up there,
Joe our boy a munchkin rights, this show should be
called the funniest betting show ever. Nine people responded to that,
(50:14):
and I don't agree.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Should we change the name?
Speaker 2 (50:18):
No? No, no, And people need to enjoy it to
be surprised when they watch it. There press Otherwise, we
put entirely too much pressure on ourselves to be funny.
And let's face it, Brian Power is not that funny.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, and we put no pressure on being funny. We
just do what we do. What else is up here?
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (50:38):
And some guy went ballistic on you with your college
basketball picks. He's like, stay away from college basketball, Joe niary. Guys,
this is a moment in time and Joe how's your
college hoops going.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yeah, I'm still the number one basketball handicapper. Way to
talk so and yes we're still ahead on the season
here with three hundred and seventy five games a day.
I would settle down and uh and just be in
it for the long run. It's a marathon, not a sprint, guys. Yeah,
trust deep Fry. Deep Ry Wrights learned a lot watching
(51:13):
this channel. That means a lot to us. Deep Fry,
thank you for that. He also loves the show. Mike
Lloyd wants to know whiser so much hate on Sanders.
I don't think we gave Sanders any hate yesterday. Are Yeah, well,
I mean we just call it what it is, right,
well hate If the guy had an eight point seven
(51:34):
QBR and we're all acting like, oh boy, yeah, he's
gotta he's gonna run. If it wasn't for the ten
sacks by Miles Garrett and company, then they might not
have won that game. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Joe David Gary writes forty nine Ers dead last in
sacks and pressure rate, Panthers win twenty seven twenty six.
Forget about the fact that he was wrong. Was I
what do you think of this Panther team really quick.
I mean, you know, this is one of the most
confusing teams I've ever seen in my betting life. They
(52:12):
couldn't move the ball.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, I didn't expect them to be. I thought they'd
have a little more success. And by the way, how
many more interceptions from ball teams are we throwing in
the end zone? I'm just curious how many times are
we going to get the ball and throw an interception
in the end zone. It was a little crazy the press.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Four interceptions. I think there were four interceptions and we
were only in the second quarter.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
H No, there were five total. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, Well, and Twine Bennett, Chicago wins the division. I'm
not with them there. I think Detroit wins the division,
or or even Green Bay before Chicago. I think they're
going to regress though.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
They're minus three point differential press and they're eight and three.
At some point that's going to regress to the middle
and that's not going to be good for Chicago.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Yeah, and then we have elf rights. Poor Brian. The
bullying was intense, So I just want to stop and
say there was no bullying. We didn't bully Brian. Bullying.
Bullying is mean spirited. Give me your Sandwidge, give me
your lunch money. Push you in a corner, spin on you.
(53:27):
We showed Brian a ton of love. Yes elf must
be female if she thinks we were bullying. And old
men know, the more you tease your friend, the more
you love your friend.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
It comes back every Monday.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
So we love Brian power. That's the show, bro, Thanks
for doing this art Caesar Joinary. I'm Lawrence Presman. This
is the best betting show ever. We'll see you all tomorrow.
Let's win together. Betting show, funniest betting show ever.
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