November 26, 2025 • 50 mins
On today's episode, Prez, Joe and Art discuss money moves in both college football and NFL, NFL Thanksgiving, which teams to bet against in the AFC and NFC South, NBA and NHL breakdowns, as well as a slew of free picks for College Football Week 14 and NFL Week 13!
00:00 INTRODUCTION
01:57 WHERE'S THE EARLY MONEY GOING NFL WK 13
04:17 HOW DOES THE WESTGATE SET THE MARKET?
09:10 WHERE'S THE EARLY MONEY GOING CFB WK 14
15:13 PARLAY OF THE DAY
16:40 FADE OR NOT? AFC | NFC SOUTH TEAMS
37:26 PREZ'S EARLY NFL WK 13 BET
38:37 JOE'S EARLY NFL WK 13 BET
39:28 PREZ'S EARLY CFB WK 14 BET
40:30 JOE'S EARLY CFB WK 14 BET
41:37 NHL RUNDOWN
43:40 NBA & CBB RUNDOWN
45:45 MAILBAG! VIEWER QUESTIONS
00:00 INTRODUCTION
01:57 WHERE'S THE EARLY MONEY GOING NFL WK 13
04:17 HOW DOES THE WESTGATE SET THE MARKET?
09:10 WHERE'S THE EARLY MONEY GOING CFB WK 14
15:13 PARLAY OF THE DAY
16:40 FADE OR NOT? AFC | NFC SOUTH TEAMS
37:26 PREZ'S EARLY NFL WK 13 BET
38:37 JOE'S EARLY NFL WK 13 BET
39:28 PREZ'S EARLY CFB WK 14 BET
40:30 JOE'S EARLY CFB WK 14 BET
41:37 NHL RUNDOWN
43:40 NBA & CBB RUNDOWN
45:45 MAILBAG! VIEWER QUESTIONS
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Transcript
Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Three NFL games tomorrow. Art de Caesar's joining us. He'll
be telling you exactly how the wisest, smartest, best betters
in the world are attacking those games. We've also got
bets for you in NHL, NBA college basketball. We have
some early action on NFL and college football and our
parlay of the day. Don't miss that it won yesterday
(00:25):
money Raining. I'm Lawrence Presman, Joe n Aiery with me,
Art de Caesar. You're watching the best slash funniest betting
show ever other to you first, Joe nah Art, how
you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Art. There's a movie with Daniel day Lewis. It's There
Will Be Blood. It opens with like seventeen minutes of
nobody talking. That's how I love the show. It's like,
how can we avoid keep Joe from speaking? Or as
long as possible. I don't know if you noticed that,
but I never go to Joe first, and then it's like, okay,
(01:02):
we're at a minute now, No Joe, Yes, so Art,
what did you do last night? Anything special?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I watched a lot of sports, plenty of sports on
the television.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yes, okay, Joe Ranieri. We're gonna attack the three NFL
games tomorrow and what else is going on in your world? Bro?
You're still rocking and rolling art.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I'm sorry, I completely dude.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I was with the silar I was so gay with
the silent treatment.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
No problem, no problem. I'm just waiting for you to
blow your load here in the first thirty seconds and
then we'll just bypass. You are and I do the
rest of the show. Are you done? You get an
all out press. You're good to go? Now? Can we can? We?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
We?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Allay?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Okay? We got three games tomorrow A Packers and Lions,
Chiefs and Cowboys, Bengals and Ravens. Tell us where the
money he is going on all three of these babies.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Our first game Packers at Lions early money on Detroit
we were two and a half.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
For now minus three even money.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So if you're taking Green Bay on that key number
of three, you're paying a little.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Bit of juice on that minus one. Sixteen.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Total really hasn't budged, you know. It was forty nine
and a half now forty nine. Chiefs at Cowboys. Total's
really gone up in this game. We were fifty and
a half now fifty two. Chiefs have been pretty steady
here at minus three, minus one sixteen, so trending to
three and a half. But I don't know if we
get to three and a half because I think if
that happens, we'll see plenty of Dallas money. But that's
(02:39):
gonna see really good two way action. Public likes to
really bet both of those teams, Kansas City and Dallas.
And then the late game Bengals at the Ravens. Obviously
Burrow back. People are going to bet Burrow bet the
spot with him coming back and energizing that team even
though he doesn't play any defense. But we obviously opened
the Ravens minus seven, so he took some Bengal money.
(03:01):
Bengals now plus six and a half. Total when Burrow got,
you know, put into the game went up from fifty
to fifty two.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
So I'm wondering, Art, I don't think that says a
lot about Burrow, because it's not like Flacco wasn't averaging
twenty eight freaking points a game coming up the offense
and never been a problem. I think that line move
speaks volumes as to what the market thinks about the
Ravens more than anything else here. Do you, I mean,
how do you reading that in the book, I totally agree.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I mean, the Raven offense has looked futriated, just has
not looked good despite them winning all these games since
the Mars come back. I mean, really, who have they beaten?
They were really lackluster last week against the Jets.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I'm with you, Joe.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I think that speaks more to where the Ravens are
trending other you know, because like you said, Flacco was
really good, and you know, I mean he kind of
looked like Burrow with that offense and those receivers. But
of course Burrow coming back, Jamar Chase coming back from
the suspension, all that perception two of those guys coming
back is going to help better see a plus seven
(04:09):
on a key number in a division game, So you
know there's going to be nibbles on that type of bet.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
All right.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
The Caesar joining us from the Westgate and Art, what
I want to talk about to you about is the
role of the Westgates, so to speak, inside of betting.
And what I mean by that is you mentioned that
you've got a minus three in Detroit on Detroit, and
you're taking money on Detroit. It's about minus two and
a half, about eighty percent of the books right now.
You mentioned you're at a forty nine and a half
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on the total in that game, and Caesar's, for instance,
as of forty eight, so does Circa, so does Sportsbook.
So what I'm asking here is, how can we use
the info that you're telling us, So minus three for Detroit,
yet we can get two and a half somewhere else,
over forty nine and a half with you, yet we
(04:58):
can get over forty eight somewhere else. You're a leading
book indicator. How could we use that information against what
say Caesar's is doing to help us find better bets.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Well, I mean you could look at the information and
obviously look at our line moves and realize that for
the most part, you know they're trust me. There are
times we.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Move with the market and move quote unquote on air,
but most of the time, especially off a key number
or onto a key number, if we're moving a game
to three, or we're moving a game off seven, that's
because we feel it's enough respected money where we want
to move off that number and take bets on the
other side and basically book to that early information. So
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that's a good way to look at it, especially in
the NFL with the key numbers of three and seven.
Maybe not so much in college, where three and seven
you know, really aren't as important, but in the NFL
they are super important.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, So if you're at three already, are we to
assume that everyone's going to be following towards three, same
with say the forty eight up to the forty nine
and a half, or are you going to be a
one and a half more than Caesar's, for instance, on
that total.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It just depends.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I mean there are plenty of times too where we decide, hey,
let's take a position and let's say, hey, this is
you know, if everyone else is forty eight, we want
to deal forty nine. You know, sometimes we're not worried
about maybe putting ourselves in a little bit of a
position to.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Get a decision. You know, sometimes it's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
To get a decision, and you know, sometimes we'll pick
certain spots to do that in.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
So obviously that's something we're doing right now.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, and guys, sorry, Joe, guys really quick, because this
is a really important conversation. The west Gate is a
leading market indicator book yere. The Westgate is taking some
of the biggest bets in the world from some of
the smartest people in the world. If the Westgate is
at three and another book is at two and a half,
there is a message there, and it's a similar message
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to what happens when say Pinnacle is three and all
the other offshore books are minus two and a half.
There is a message there. And I think, if you can,
you know you got you got an over forty nine
and a half at Westgate and an over forty eight
at Caesar's. What is the message bet over forty eight
(07:30):
right now, Joe? Anything to add.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Well, I mean it all starts with not looking at
DraftKings and Fandul and thinking that's the end all be
all right. I could think that's you know, because most
of the guys probably watching this show right now or
have been following us, that those are the top guns,
right that's where you're gonna find them in every state
that's the most easily accessible, and yet they are last
(07:58):
on the totem Paul when it comes to move, if
you're looking to figure out what the sharp moves are
and if you're looking to keep your finger on the
pulse of where the market is going, DraftKings and fandle
I don't call me crazy. Friends would be the last
place that I am looking because they're the last ones
to adjust.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, so there is a sucking noise coming in the microphone.
I would like all three of us to please stand up.
I it is not coming from my end. Joe, where's
your woman?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
It's not here? Absolutely not not not where's your girl? Art?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Okay, I was just trying to figure out where the
sucking noise.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Case at all. I didn't hear anything.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
That was like me and my friends when we were
like sixteen and we were all you know when you
sat on a on a couch or on the floor
and everyone had their own girl and you put a
blanket over you guys, those good old days.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
We had something like a circle. Yep, very good.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, we had certainly go to hand. So there you go.
That was a waste cha art? You old Monroe Louisiana
smu kel Wyoming versus Hawaii. Where's the money going?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Significant move here on the Monroe game.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Sharp took eleven and a half, ten and a half,
we're now nine and a half.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Of the game.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
So two separate Sharp accounts really, you know, hit that
game and moved us two points. Same thing here with
smu we were eleven and a half. They laid eleven
and a half. They laid twelve and a half. We're
in that dead number range. So we've gotten thirteen and
a half on that game. Listen, if we get to fourteen,
there will be buy back on Cal. We are not
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there yet. And then Wyoming took sharp money at ten
at Hawaii. We are now eight on that game. So
pretty significant moves done all three of those games by
sharp accounts.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
The SMU one is interesting, right because they came out
with the standings yesterday to committee. Obviously, Miami is that
one team on the outside looking in. They take on
Pitt this week. If they beat Pitt and Cal somehow
beats SMU VA Tech beats you know, Virginia, then Miami's
(10:21):
in and we're having a whole different discussion here. But
col just fired longtime coach, Justin Wilcos I believe this
is that first game without him here. Usually we see that,
you know, that dead coach bounce going on there, art right,
you know, it's like the fired coach. We're gonna get
a little big effort by Cal here in the final game,
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which is interesting that they fired him before the final
game of the season, but they did. And yet you're
saying maybe the market is moving the other way. They're
not buying into it at all, SMU the entire way here.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
So far, And that doesn't mean he can't change.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
And like I said, I think if we even nudge
up higher and get to fourteen, we will see instant
col money probably drop us back to thirteen.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
But we just have not seen it yet.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
But you're right, Joe, and we've we've talked about this
for years, all these fire coach angles in all sports.
Usually he's a real play and a real thing, and
people like to follow that trend.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It just has not happened yet in this Cow game.
When we come back on Friday.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I'll kind of monitor that game all, you know, the
next couple of days and see if we get some
nibbles on camp.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Art.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I know we're gonna talk about this on Friday. We
will again. But Matt Bartley writes Art, I'm curious if
we're seeing anything on the Ohio State game. Yeah, I mean,
obviously that's one of the biggest games of the regular season,
so to speak. In Colge moved Art.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
I know it's moved, does it?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
No, And you know it's funny press I actually I
responded to him. He was very happy with my response.
I said, listen, we will obviously get to that on Friday.
That will be one of the big college football games
we talk about. Let's give it a couple more days
see if anything really happens. But Joe's right, there's really
been no movement on the game.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, and that's gonna be the largest handled game by
the way, probably Oh yeah, right. I mean that's the
one game that will probably see more handle than any
other game on the schedule.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
There's no doubt about it. And you know, it's funny.
It hurts a little bit being at nine am in Vegas.
The time really hurts. It's not a primetime game where
it gives people all day, so the nine am kick
actually hurts a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
But yeah, why would they do that?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, well, because that's what Michigan and they do.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
They kick it.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, they've always done that, So it hurts us a
little bit. But obviously people have all week and you know,
all that type of stuff. We'll get plenty of in
game on it. So you're right, Joe, that will be
our number one handle game maybe of the college football
season until we get to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Guys, hit that like button, subscribe Dark Channel, and make
sure to comment. Don't turn this video off. Art Anything
in NBA, College, NHL, or anything, anything jump out at you.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Not really present.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
As I always say when it comes to those other sports,
anything that jumps out early before I get on the show,
I will always give out that information.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
But nothing really to speak up this morning.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Okay, guys, we want to part.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I got on question Press. I got one question for
art Art. You mentioned about this New Era tournament that's
being played out in your neck of the woods there right,
And I don't know that people understand that that tournament
is now moving to what twenty some odd teams next year.
I mean the plans for that tournament. They're trying to
make that like March Madness in November moving forward. And
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what maybe what a lot of people don't realize is
there is a ton of cash involved in this too.
This is like a there's prizes given here to teams
right that are coming out. So have you seen that
as it affected the way because you said you're seeing
a ton of hat on this tournament and it's only
going to get bigger next year in the year after
along those lines, But has the idea that these kids
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are getting paid a million dollars to a winner at
winning team I think, or something like that has that
affected the lines at all or or the way people
are thinking about this.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I mean, not for us, but I mean obviously with
these matters, if you hit it, it's going to be
like a mini March Madness early in the season. And
you obviously have all these top teams in there, plenty
ni Owl money. Like I said, with these top teams
and the way they're almost just letting it go early
in the season, we've seen a lot of high totals,
a lot of high scores.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
So that was the one thing I had mentioned yesterday.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
You're seeing a lot of overs in these tournaments because
these teams are just coming to Vegas and having fun
and letting it fly.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I went to and O last night in college hoops
on a nice eight and three run, but I did not.
I was not in play on that Gonzaga game, but
they got to a century. I'm assuming that that puppy
went over the total.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Don't miss the night's Yes, we're gonna go over Yeah,
don't miss the nights, because tonight's Michigan versus Gonzaga should
be the game of the year so far.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
There you go. Okay, guys, parlay of the day. We
won it yesterday, let's win it again today. Art and
the Edmonton Oilers did us right yesterday. They single handedly
cash the bet themselves simply by not playing any defense.
I pretty much handicapped that game perfectly. I think the
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New Jersey Devils at minus one thirty four is the
play tonight. No need to take them in regulation. Take
them straight on the money line. They're playing a horrible
Saint Louis team even without Jack Quinn. Take the Devils, Art.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I'm gonna go with a home team, which is basically
a pick on maybe minus one fifteen.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I'm gonna take Pittsburgh at home against Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Oh ink, Joe.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Really interesting, all right? I kind of like I like
where you're heading in that one. I do, I do?
Actually I am. Well, then we can keep it simple
here a ton of NBA Cup action tonight, and if
it a broke, I am not fixing it. The Miami
Heat at home, looking to continue to roll, Tyer hero
(16:24):
Back taking on the Milwaukee bocks who may or may
not have you honest back. But I don't think it's
gonna make a damn bit of difference. I think the
Heat roll tonight right into the knockout stage of the
NBA Cup.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
There we go, and that is our parlay of the day. Okay, guys,
Every Tuesday and Wednesday we have a fade or not
fade segment. We do NFL. Today we are doing the
AFC and NFC South. We will be doing some NBA
along the way in the segment two moving forward, But
let's stick to the plan. The Indianapolis Colts not only
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coming off of a bad loss last week, but it
had to have been an emotionally tough loss. Art They
put up a grand total of eighteen yards in the
second half. Look terrible. Now they're playing a mean defense
in Houston. I don't know how to bet this game
on Sunday, and I don't know how to attack the
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Indianapolis Colts. I'm going to lean on taking them to
the overs, but I don't know whether to fade them
or not. What about you?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, I mean listen, Cults are obviously still a top,
top team.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
They had a rough week last week.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
When I look at this week, I wouldn't want to
back them against that Houston event.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Right, Houston is.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Starting to come on, starting to believe maybe that they
have a shot in this division. Obviously, this game is enormous,
despite the early cult move from three and a half
to four and a half, I would stay far away
from this game this week.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I would actually lean Houston.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Joe. Yeah, I like the Colts. I especially like the
Colts at home. Anytime the Colts are going to be indoors,
I would absolutely look to back them back. The team
totals over and yeah, I mean listen, a month ago,
we would not have suspected that Houston or Jacksonville it
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would be chasing down the Colts here. But they have
not played a home game since October twenty sixth. It's
been almost a month since they've actually played in this building,
slept in their beds and got to play on a Sunday.
And I don't Stroud is apparently back. Yeah, good luck
trying to figure out exactly what you're gonna get from him.
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I don't think it's gonna be much of anything, Prez.
I think you continue to fade the offense of Houston.
Great defense, but if they have to come from behind,
which I think they will in this game, I don't
see how they're gonna do that, especially with an improved
Colts defense.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, and then coming off with that horrible loss. This
is a gat right game for the Colts, hopefully six
and zero at home, Texans two and three on the road.
Let's talk about the Jaguars, and full disclosure, I don't
have a clue how to bet this team. I mean everything.
This is what we were talking about with Miami yesterday.
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Every time you think that they've turned the corner, that
Fabio has got his act together, that he's not modeling
or a harlequin romance novel, and then they stink the
next week. So I'm going to go with fade or
not fade, or simply just stay away. I'm thinking stay away, art.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
With you.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
They go on, they bomb the Chargers, they barely beat
the Cardinals, probably should have lost the game. They're a
tough team to figure out. I would more lean towards
fade them in spots down the road.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Yeah, Joe, It's like Jesus, we're trying to slice mediocrity here.
I mean, this is about his mediocre team as it
comes who continues to get a You've got a starting quarterback,
you gave two undred million dollars too, can't figure out
who to thrown the ball to, so he keeps throwing
the ball to the other team. I mean, what has
he got eleven interceptions on the season. I think he's
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got more I iNTS now than he has touchdowns. And
Liam pohe knows it because he keeps trying to run
the ball. They've been very good at running the ball,
but at some point against the better defenses, but that's
not gonna work. I think they're a good five hundred team,
if there is such a thing, but they'd be the
best of the rest. So in those situations, Frads, I'd
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probably look to back them.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, well there minus six and a half against the Titans.
We'll talk about them in a second. We briefly spoke
about the Texans, and I think there's gonna be spots
moving forward to bet on this Houston Texan team. I
think there's a good vibe coming out of that dressing room,
and my wife is very excited to see DeMarco Ryan
on the sideline, so that angle has to be taken
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into account as well. She's attracted to their coach, Joe.
He's a handsome dude. Okay, Arct, I don't know Texans.
I think they're a bet on team moving forward.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, and I think you can find spots to bet
their unders, to bet teams that they're playing team total
unders because of how good the defense is with Xans.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Job. Yeah, now they're a fake for me. If you
can't score, you can't run the ball. I don't care
how your defense is. And listen, the defense has carried
them this year and that's okay based upon the schedule
that they have had, but that is not going to
be okay when they have to play from behind in spots.
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I think they're gonna get caught. I can't trust that offense.
I don't like the offensive line. Defense is great and
again good for regular season conversations, but minute the competition
starts to get more difficult, Mike. This weekend for instance,
where if you're playing from behind against Indy in Indy
on the road, you're done.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Guys. You know who's not looking for a quarterback? And
this coming upcoming draft, the Tennessee It Titans, I think
they're a bet on team moving forward. Art, I think
we're gonna get value there. I think this team is
only going to get better and better as the season progresses,
and we saw a semblance of a fast defensive unit
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starting to form in front of us. I think this
team might be a bet on team moving forward in
certain spots. And I think they might be a bet
on team this Sunday.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, I mean, this is obviously a team who's going
to play the string out and want to play hard.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Because they said they're not going to battle for the
number one pick. They don't need a quarterback. They have
their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I don't know, maybe probably, I'm probably looking for a
new coach, but we'll see. And they played tough last week,
they came back, they obviously covered a big number. You'll
probably get some value with the Titans with some big
double digit spreads moving forward for the rest of the year.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Joseph, we're talking about the Titans, right, the Titans. Yeah, well, no,
you're right, you're right. I'm sure what you say. DeMarco
was his name? What's his name, Tomarco? Right, Tomarco Rys? Yeah,
well it's Demiko, but that's neither here nor there. But
(23:18):
DeMarco's probably a good looking guy as well. I'm sure sure,
DeMarco is just as good looking either way.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Ico DeMarco Potato potatos exactly how I feel about the Titans.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
They suck any which way you slice it, and unfortunately,
list that game should not have been. I know they
covered against Seattle, but Seattle had a thirty point lead
going into the fourth corner and a twenty point league
going into the fourth corner in that game. An empty
netter to make the cover doesn't mean that Tennessee is
getting better. Tennessee is awful. I think the future is bright,
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but they got to nail the draft. This year is
a waste. There's no way I'd be looking to back
then in any way shape, no matter how much value
you think they're getting with that.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Okay, let's turn our engine too. The NFC South Tampa
Bay Buccaneers and a Baker Mayfield is questionable this week
a art I wanted, let's let's just just for a
second here, can you explain to me sort of side topic.
We got Tampa Bay at minus three and it's held
firm all week against Arizona. Logic would assume to me
(24:27):
that that that you guys are expecting Baker. How could
this be minus three without Baker. Explain this line to me.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well, obviously we're expecting Baker to play.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Okay, so you mean, you know if, yeah, if you're
gonna hang a three there you're That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And here's the thing, you guys know this the old
school mentality would be this game will be off the board.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, so are you know?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
So? Last night I was going to out on the
board and I was like, Baker is questionable to play.
There's never an off the board anymore. What is going
on with that?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, here's the thing. This is how you gotta look
at it.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
And you know, obviously I'm leaning on guys who I
work with christ who have been doing this for thirty
and forty years. Back in the day, you were able
to put things off the board because Vegas was.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
The only game in town. There was no Internet, there
was no you know, odd screens where you could see
books all over the world. Now you can't be the
only sports book that has an NFL game off the board.
You just can't do it. You have to.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Sit there and we now have to speculate we think
Baker's playing. Obviously we have to stay on top of
the news, stay on top of the infiorports, all that stuff,
and then obviously you adjust on the fly. We can't
be sitting there with a Bucks Cardinals game off the board.
It just doesn't happen any.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Okay, So let's assume Me plays. I love Tema this Sunday,
but I don't think they're a bet on team moving forward.
Really strange team to figure out. Art.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, They've had really a weird season, lost some really
tough games against really good teams. You know, obviously they've
been dealing with a million injuries as well. Bucky Irving,
I mean, I know the backup me good, but he's awesome.
He hasn't played as well like two or three. This
is a get right spot for them this week. If
Baker plays, they really need to go out and beat
Arizona and get back on track. But I'm with you, President,
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I think moving forward, i'd be really weary of this tea.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, Joe, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Bucky Arvin looks to be back this week here, so
they are getting a little healthy. I believe some of
the offensive line is coming back. I don't think you
have to work. They don't need Baker to win this game.
The last couple of weeks have been brutal. The travel
spot for them, having to go to Orchard Park, come home,
then fly out west to go and play the Rams,
only to get their you know, their face smashed in.
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They get to go home. Now, they get to relax
a little bit. The Cardinals are not going to put
up enough of a fight. I think defensively as well,
with Todd Balls and company, they will make life miserable
for Jacoby Brissette and company. So I think they're safe
this week. But to me, it's all about the health
of this team moving forward. Can they get some of
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those pieces back and keep them healthy if they can, Yes,
they're a bet on team for me.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Guys, Carolina Panthers. This team again, I mean they beat
Green Bay and then they lay a total egg the
next week. This Carolina team is a total fade for
me and Frankly at home at plus ten and a half,
I handicap this game and I look at it and
I think, man, the Rams are going to get to
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twenty seven. I don't think Carolina gets anywhere near seventeen
against this Rams defense. I'm fading them this week. I'm
fading them the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Many.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
They forced all those turnovers against the Niners, still couldn't
cover the game.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
That was unbelievable. They are a tricky team to figure out.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I actually think over ten at home this might be
their last stand.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
But I understand all this stuff. You're same as it's.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Very hard to put your money onto the airline a
week in, a week out, Joe.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
They just lost another defensive back to suspension because he
had He had Jennings in the nuts for some reason
at the end of a game that they weren't even
close to winning. So I have no idea they lost.
I believe their other best defensive back got hurt in
that game too, so there's just there's Horn. I think
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j C. Horn got hurt again in that game, so
he's going to be out. I don't see a how
that defense is going to stop the Rams, and b
I don't know how the hell they're planning on scoring
on the Rams here. Yeah, sports starts for McVeigh, and
I think they don't be shocked if McVeigh just continues
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to feed Stafford and allows him to rack up the
touchdowns in the yards and secure that MVP at thirty
seven years old. It's exactly what McVeigh will do the
rest of the way. I don't see him taking the
foot off the guests against anybody press.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, I agree with you, Joe. We're all in the
same page. And the Falcons, guys, this might blow your mind.
I think they might be a bet on team moving forward.
I think they're a bet on team against the Jets,
and I know Joan will go to you first that
you're not a fan of their coach and you think
he's gonna be fired. But man, this team has too
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many weapons to ignore playing against the Jets team, and
I think if they win that game, it'll be two
in a row. They'll have a nice vibe going forward.
I think they're a bet on team.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
This is like choosing to you know, the firing squad
or hanging like good lord, this is these both. These
teams are absolutely awful. They're in transitions any which way
you cut it. I listen Atlanta this week. Sure, I
get it. If you can get them under a field
goal makes total sense. But moving forward, I'm sorry, man,
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I don't think a thirty seven year old Kirk Cousins
that takes forever to throw the ball against better competition
is the side here. I don't like the offensive coordinator,
I don't like the head coach. I think they got
a serious culture problem in Atlanta. But hey, they should
be good enough to beat the you know, the under
five hundred teams, which is exactly what the Jets.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Are, aren't. I personally choose death by firing squad. I
think we'll have a little bit too much pain involved
watching this game with helping.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
I feel, yeah, watch this game on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Well, I mean, obviously we talked about this. Yesterday.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
The Sharps took Atlanta, they laid one, it's up two
and a half. They like them this week, but I
think moving forward with that coaching quarterback, no way to
one up back moving forward this week, I could see.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
It, okay. And then of course we have the New
Orleans Saints at two and nine. This team I'm betting against,
period till the end of the year. I don't actually
think they win another game, frankly, and I think there's
I think ultimately there's not going to be a line
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big enough. This week they're in Miami. I'm scared about
this week's game, but New Orleans is paid for the art.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, I mean, we talked about it last week if
not now when everything pointed to the Saints winning last
week and they didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
So I'm with you. I think moving forward they are
a fade the rest of the year. I'm not saying
I'd want to go lay six with Miami, but you
put Miami in a teaser, you could talk me into it.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Joseph awful, absolutely awful, And don't go screwing up the
draft pick New Orleans. All right, don't go screwing this
up by winning some games. But I'm with you, President,
I would stay far away from the Miami game this
week because that's exactly what Miami does is they will
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lose this game to New Orleans. Art.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I think Joe would be the coolest dude to sit
on a bench at Vegas, like around the Aria area
and just like rate girls as they walk past, be like,
what do you think of that girl? Joe rub vaulte?
Prez rubbed vaulting.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Then they've done that.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Joe, what do you think of that person? Don't know,
Prez doing the Stevie.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Wonders, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Ah, he would be so fun to rate women with Joe.
Oh my god, who's the hottest woman of all time?
For you, Joe.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
We are all Mary Charlotte's children of God pras. Okay,
we don't rate people. It's not what we do here.
We rate teams totally different. Everyone's beautiful everyone, Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Aren't anything else. I have a happy Thanksgiving, my brother,
I hope. Are you working? Yeah? You're working right.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I will be No, no, no, I won't be working tomorrow,
but I'll go.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Good, have a wonderful day tomorrow. Have a beautiful, amazing.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Way to Thanksgiving. Press. By the way, what what what's
your big what's your big plans there? Do you get
the old turkey and stuffing or what do you do there?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
So I've never had stuffing in my whole life. I
don't understand it. If if it was so good, it
would be in my food all the time. I don't
like any type of cook turkey. I do like it
cooked and then cold on a sandwich. So no, none
of that is happening. And I will be watching football,
just like your every American in America, even though not
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every American will be watching football. I'm guessing there'll be
many not but yeah, I'm just gonna watch football, Shoe.
I do have an important twelve o'clock business meeting.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Though, Oh back to business art and enjoy today art,
you and I. It'll just be more turkey for us here.
That's all.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yes, enjoy your turkey. It's well done.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Art.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Get out of here. Happy Thanksgiving Art to Caesar. Okay, guys,
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the clock everyone, Joe. I'm gonna look straight into betting
against the Cleveland Browns. Now there's money coming in on Cleveland.
The line is down a minus four and a half
percent brand, and I'm gonna give you my take real quick.
I love sent Francisco and to have all your what
even injured, This team gets it done. This team goes
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out and throws I think three interceptions in the first
quarter of a game and still whoops the other team.
This team has no diffences and they still beat almost
everybody in their way. Now they're playing the Cleveland Browns.
And my take on the Cleveland Browns is this, they
just played their Super Bowl. I think the Cleveland Browns
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were genuinely insulted being plus four against the Las Vegas Raiders,
and I think they had a meeting they said to themselves,
we're going into Vegas, we're winning this game. Well, that's
all over and done with. You won the game. Now
you can go back to the regular schedule program of
sucking crap. They are not going to be able to
keep up with San Fran. And regardless of how good
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Cleveland's defenses, sant Fran is going to get some points.
Let's not overthink that sant Fran wins by ten or more.
Take the Niners, Joe, what do you like? Wow?
Speaker 4 (38:41):
That's and that's good, Priz. I like that, all right.
I am going to look in towards let's face it,
Minnesota taking on Seattle. It's the Sam Donald revenge game here,
and Max Brossmer it's going to be your quarterback there
for the JJ mc hearthy list Minnesota exactly, Minnesota Vikings listen.
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Nothing to do here except look towards unders, either full
game under or team total under. Here I do think obviously,
Minnesota's defense is gonna have a little bit of pride here.
Nobody knows Sam Donald better than they do. But you know,
rookie Max Brosmer is not going to light up the
scoreboard against the Seattle defense. I like the full game
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under in that one there, Joe.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Let's get some college football, one game each, sixty seconds
each of us. Let's go. I like San Diego State
on the money line here at Joe. If it gets
all the way to minus two and a half, I'm
good with that as well. Let me break this down.
This is a huge game, massive stakes. The winner of
this game hosts the conference championship. And what are we
gonna do. We're gonna take the team that stops the run.
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New Mexico has had a great resurgence. I get it,
but it's largely because they run the They have a
trench warfare type of a setup. It's run, run and run. Well,
you can't run on the San Diego team. The Aztecs
are sixteen in the nation in rushing success rate. This
is not going to work for New Mexico. And I
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will tell you this. New Mexico's secondary frickin' horrible one
one hundred and thirty fourth in the country. I think
that San Diego is going to be able to move
the ball on New Mexico. I think New Mexico is
going to struggle to move the ball on San Diego.
Let's take the Aztecs on the money line, Joe, who
do you like?
Speaker 4 (40:35):
I like that one there, Prez. All right, I'm gonna
head out West, Prez, because I do not like this
situation for Notre Dame. I like it even less that
they have to lay thirty two or more points here
against low ly Stanford. And I get it. They've been
on this whole scorched Earth tour here, winning nine straight
games by double digits. And that's seventy to seven beat
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down of Syracuse, a side. They did lose a couple
of starting linebackers and defensemen in that game, So blowing
teams out has its has its price tag there, Prez.
But who are we kidding here? This game starts at
ten thirty Eastern time. Not exactly great for the clock
there for these Notre Dame players. Sure is Notre Dame
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gonna win? Absolutely? Are they gonna win by more than
thirty two? Stanford has already pulled off upsets at home.
As bad as they have been, I think Notre Dame wins.
I think this is an obnoxious number. No way am
I laying it. I'll take it with Stanford, Joe.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Let's keep moving. There are three hundred NHL games on tap,
and I got two minutes to do each of them.
Boston going into New York. I like the Islanders in regulation.
That is even money. I love Florida in regulation against Philadelphia.
It's fade Philadelphia time, and I think Florida goes on
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a little bit of a run. Take the under six
and a half in the Toronto Columbus game. Don't overthink it.
I know Toronto is seventeen and five to the over
this year. They have gone under three of their last four.
They are going to be an under team moving forward.
New York Rangers playing Carolina, let's stick with the under there.
Calgary and Tampa Bay. Take Tampa Bay and regulation. Calgary
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three wins in a row. Holy Moly, it's time to
fade the Flames. Take New Jersey minus one thirty five
against Saint Louis. Take Detroit in regulation at plus one
oh five against Nashville. I lean on the over six
and a half in the Buffalo Pittsburgh game. I like
the under six and a half in the Winnipeg Washington game.
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I like Chicago as a very small dog against one
of the hottest teams in the league, the Minnesota Wild.
I like San Jose and Colorado to go over the total.
There is a five even a half out there. That
is a shocking number to me. There's also a six
and a half, so we're going with six. Take over
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the total in that game. Take Utah against Martreola on
the money line minus one forty. I love Vegas in
regulation against Ottawa. It's bet Vegas time, fade Ottawa time.
Vancouver playing Anaheim here. I don't know what to do
in this game. It's a tough one, but if I
had to bet it, I would lean on Anaheim in
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regulation and Joe. Take the Dallas Stars minus one thirty
against Seattle. That's it, man, I went through them all.
Let's go your turn.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
That was impressive. All right, we'll see how many we
can get through here. Pres NBA Cup time here tonight.
It's going to start with the thirteen game winning streak
of the Detroit Pistons on the road against the Boston Celtics.
Detroit has already clinched into the next round of the
NBA Cup. Here, I think it's time to sell high
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on the Detroit Pistons here. How about the Knicks on
the road against the Hornets, looking to rev it up
here a little bit. Hornets are terrible, but I don't
trust the Knicks on the Road to be laying six
and a half points. The Raptors also red hot on
eight in a row, but they also have nothing to
play for here. As far as the NBA Cup goes,
the Pacers getting a little healthier, getting a little more competitive,
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I don't think the Raptors are going to leave it
all out there to win by double digits. I'll take
the points with the Pacers. The Heats are back at
home riding a big winning streak. The Bucks are coming
to town. Maybe honest, maybe not. The market doesn't care.
Neither do I, because I'm taking the over in that one.
The Timberwolves taking on the Thunder haven't seen them well
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since the Thunder bounced them out of the postseason last year,
and while they're going to bounce them out of the
NBA Cup here as well, Thunder will roll the Grizzlies
and the Pelicans. If a tree falls in a forest
and nobody's there, does anybody care? The answer is no.
How about the Warriors though, Boy, they dispatched the Rockets
last year in the playoffs in a game seven, didn't they. Well,
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I'll have a chance to do it again here tonight.
No Kevin Durant for the Rockets, but the Warriors will
have Steph Curry available to him, riding a little bit
of a losing streak here. Expect a big night from
Stephan the Warriors. The Suns should handle the Kings, no problem.
That line is continuing to rise, so grab the sun
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sooner rather than later. And how about the Portland Trailblazers
at home with an opportunity to win their group and advance.
I like them to do that against the Spurs here tonight.
And make sure you're watching Michigan and Gonzaga tonight and
look for points because I'll be going over in that game.
Pres Joe type of the mailbag section. I want to
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shout out to Larry Hart.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
He writes every day, Blessings from Long Island. Blessings to you, Larry.
I also want to point out we have two haters, Joe,
they hate me, not you. One's name is Tim, the
other's name is who cares. I just want to say,
Joe that I love the haters. They're my favorite people
in the whole world. Because when you hate someone and
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then you spend your day listening to them every single day,
and then you take time to comment on their shows
to help the YouTube algorithm, it's one of those things
where your actions don't meet your words. I think these
guys think they hate me, but can't really get enough
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of me and delive rent Rey in their heads is
just magnificent, Joey, So shout out to Tim and the
other guy who will go nameless. What else is going
on with you, Joe? There's a lot of love for
you always, dude.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Somebody.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I think it's the women, Joe. The women love you, Joe.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
We love them, Press, we love them. It's a beautiful
to you.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
It's your voice. It's your voice too always. Merlin writes,
the Panthers are confusing the Jags hold my beer. Mickey Wrights,
he loves this show. John Wrights courtion with betting against
the cowboys with their picks pickups and the death of
a teammate the death of a teammate is a good point, Joe.
They really have rallied around that. This is I want
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to bet the Cowboys so bad tomorrow, but I can't
go into that damn trend. You ruin my bet, bro, you.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
And me both bras. I mean, twenty five to one
road favorites on Thanksgiving this time of year are road
favorites for a reason. That's not a trend I want
to bet into at all?
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Are you? Are you betting on that game at all?
Speaker 4 (47:51):
I think I'm going to wait until somebody scores first
and then look to jump in live. I think that
in the Baltimore Raven Bengaled game, are much better served
waiting to get a good number in game. My hope
is Flaca Flaco, Will Flacco Junior there, Joe Burrow comes
out and immediately they're up seven to nothing, so we
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can get the Ravens at a better number. That's what
I'd be looking to do in this one.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
But how do you attack this total in the Kansas
City game? Joe? You got? I mean, you look at
it and you're like, Okay, the Cowboys at home can
put up forty points. The Cowboys at Home score man
they're almost impossible to keep down. But what we saw
Kansas City do last week against Indianapolis was utterly insane.
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And not only that, but this Kansas City team indoors
on the carpet. They're going to score too. Everything says
the over, but I don't know if I can get there.
Do you have any quick thoughts on that before we go?
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Whoever you think my suggestion is going to win that game,
bet their team total over. Cowboys are averaging about what
twenty three twenty four points a game, something along those lines.
They're gonna need at least that to win that game.
If you like the Cowboys, bet their team total over.
And if you like the you like Kansas City. They're
gonna have to score. This is not gonna be nineteen
to sixteen. That's not what this game is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
I agree with that. That's the show. Listen, everybody, I
wish you guys the best Thanksgiving ever. Spend a ton
of time with your family. Don't put money on these
games that you can't afford to lose. There is no
reason to wreck your Thursday by sitting there being all
upset that the first team you bet lost. This is
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a marathon on a sprint. Nobody needs to make all
their money tomorrow. We not only have all week or
all year, we have a lifetime to accumulate wealth. So
tomorrow is a day of love and family, not a
day to ruin by placing large bets on games that
you can't control. Be careful tomorrow, everyone, lots of love.
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We'll see you Friday.
Three NFL games tomorrow. Art de Caesar's joining us. He'll
be telling you exactly how the wisest, smartest, best betters
in the world are attacking those games. We've also got
bets for you in NHL, NBA college basketball. We have
some early action on NFL and college football and our
parlay of the day. Don't miss that it won yesterday
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money Raining. I'm Lawrence Presman, Joe n Aiery with me,
Art de Caesar. You're watching the best slash funniest betting
show ever other to you first, Joe nah Art, how
you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Art. There's a movie with Daniel day Lewis. It's There
Will Be Blood. It opens with like seventeen minutes of
nobody talking. That's how I love the show. It's like,
how can we avoid keep Joe from speaking? Or as
long as possible. I don't know if you noticed that,
but I never go to Joe first, and then it's like, okay,
(01:02):
we're at a minute now, No Joe, Yes, so Art,
what did you do last night? Anything special?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I watched a lot of sports, plenty of sports on
the television.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yes, okay, Joe Ranieri. We're gonna attack the three NFL
games tomorrow and what else is going on in your world? Bro?
You're still rocking and rolling art.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I'm sorry, I completely dude.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I was with the silar I was so gay with
the silent treatment.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
No problem, no problem. I'm just waiting for you to
blow your load here in the first thirty seconds and
then we'll just bypass. You are and I do the
rest of the show. Are you done? You get an
all out press. You're good to go? Now? Can we can? We?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
We?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Allay?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Okay? We got three games tomorrow A Packers and Lions,
Chiefs and Cowboys, Bengals and Ravens. Tell us where the
money he is going on all three of these babies.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Our first game Packers at Lions early money on Detroit
we were two and a half.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
For now minus three even money.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So if you're taking Green Bay on that key number
of three, you're paying a little.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Bit of juice on that minus one. Sixteen.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Total really hasn't budged, you know. It was forty nine
and a half now forty nine. Chiefs at Cowboys. Total's
really gone up in this game. We were fifty and
a half now fifty two. Chiefs have been pretty steady
here at minus three, minus one sixteen, so trending to
three and a half. But I don't know if we
get to three and a half because I think if
that happens, we'll see plenty of Dallas money. But that's
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gonna see really good two way action. Public likes to
really bet both of those teams, Kansas City and Dallas.
And then the late game Bengals at the Ravens. Obviously
Burrow back. People are going to bet Burrow bet the
spot with him coming back and energizing that team even
though he doesn't play any defense. But we obviously opened
the Ravens minus seven, so he took some Bengal money.
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Bengals now plus six and a half. Total when Burrow got,
you know, put into the game went up from fifty
to fifty two.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
So I'm wondering, Art, I don't think that says a
lot about Burrow, because it's not like Flacco wasn't averaging
twenty eight freaking points a game coming up the offense
and never been a problem. I think that line move
speaks volumes as to what the market thinks about the
Ravens more than anything else here. Do you, I mean,
how do you reading that in the book, I totally agree.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I mean, the Raven offense has looked futriated, just has
not looked good despite them winning all these games since
the Mars come back. I mean, really, who have they beaten?
They were really lackluster last week against the Jets.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I'm with you, Joe.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I think that speaks more to where the Ravens are
trending other you know, because like you said, Flacco was
really good, and you know, I mean he kind of
looked like Burrow with that offense and those receivers. But
of course Burrow coming back, Jamar Chase coming back from
the suspension, all that perception two of those guys coming
back is going to help better see a plus seven
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on a key number in a division game, So you
know there's going to be nibbles on that type of bet.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
All right.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
The Caesar joining us from the Westgate and Art, what
I want to talk about to you about is the
role of the Westgates, so to speak, inside of betting.
And what I mean by that is you mentioned that
you've got a minus three in Detroit on Detroit, and
you're taking money on Detroit. It's about minus two and
a half, about eighty percent of the books right now.
You mentioned you're at a forty nine and a half
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on the total in that game, and Caesar's, for instance,
as of forty eight, so does Circa, so does Sportsbook.
So what I'm asking here is, how can we use
the info that you're telling us, So minus three for Detroit,
yet we can get two and a half somewhere else,
over forty nine and a half with you, yet we
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can get over forty eight somewhere else. You're a leading
book indicator. How could we use that information against what
say Caesar's is doing to help us find better bets.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Well, I mean you could look at the information and
obviously look at our line moves and realize that for
the most part, you know they're trust me. There are
times we.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Move with the market and move quote unquote on air,
but most of the time, especially off a key number
or onto a key number, if we're moving a game
to three, or we're moving a game off seven, that's
because we feel it's enough respected money where we want
to move off that number and take bets on the
other side and basically book to that early information. So
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that's a good way to look at it, especially in
the NFL with the key numbers of three and seven.
Maybe not so much in college, where three and seven
you know, really aren't as important, but in the NFL
they are super important.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, So if you're at three already, are we to
assume that everyone's going to be following towards three, same
with say the forty eight up to the forty nine
and a half, or are you going to be a
one and a half more than Caesar's, for instance, on
that total.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It just depends.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I mean there are plenty of times too where we decide, hey,
let's take a position and let's say, hey, this is
you know, if everyone else is forty eight, we want
to deal forty nine. You know, sometimes we're not worried
about maybe putting ourselves in a little bit of a
position to.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Get a decision. You know, sometimes it's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
To get a decision, and you know, sometimes we'll pick
certain spots to do that in.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
So obviously that's something we're doing right now.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, and guys, sorry, Joe, guys really quick, because this
is a really important conversation. The west Gate is a
leading market indicator book yere. The Westgate is taking some
of the biggest bets in the world from some of
the smartest people in the world. If the Westgate is
at three and another book is at two and a half,
there is a message there, and it's a similar message
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to what happens when say Pinnacle is three and all
the other offshore books are minus two and a half.
There is a message there. And I think, if you can,
you know you got you got an over forty nine
and a half at Westgate and an over forty eight
at Caesar's. What is the message bet over forty eight
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right now, Joe? Anything to add.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Well, I mean it all starts with not looking at
DraftKings and Fandul and thinking that's the end all be
all right. I could think that's you know, because most
of the guys probably watching this show right now or
have been following us, that those are the top guns,
right that's where you're gonna find them in every state
that's the most easily accessible, and yet they are last
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on the totem Paul when it comes to move, if
you're looking to figure out what the sharp moves are
and if you're looking to keep your finger on the
pulse of where the market is going, DraftKings and fandle
I don't call me crazy. Friends would be the last
place that I am looking because they're the last ones
to adjust.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, so there is a sucking noise coming in the microphone.
I would like all three of us to please stand up.
I it is not coming from my end. Joe, where's
your woman?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
It's not here? Absolutely not not not where's your girl? Art?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Okay, I was just trying to figure out where the
sucking noise.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Case at all. I didn't hear anything.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
That was like me and my friends when we were
like sixteen and we were all you know when you
sat on a on a couch or on the floor
and everyone had their own girl and you put a
blanket over you guys, those good old days.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
We had something like a circle. Yep, very good.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, we had certainly go to hand. So there you go.
That was a waste cha art? You old Monroe Louisiana
smu kel Wyoming versus Hawaii. Where's the money going?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Significant move here on the Monroe game.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Sharp took eleven and a half, ten and a half,
we're now nine and a half.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Of the game.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
So two separate Sharp accounts really, you know, hit that
game and moved us two points. Same thing here with
smu we were eleven and a half. They laid eleven
and a half. They laid twelve and a half. We're
in that dead number range. So we've gotten thirteen and
a half on that game. Listen, if we get to fourteen,
there will be buy back on Cal. We are not
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there yet. And then Wyoming took sharp money at ten
at Hawaii. We are now eight on that game. So
pretty significant moves done all three of those games by
sharp accounts.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
The SMU one is interesting, right because they came out
with the standings yesterday to committee. Obviously, Miami is that
one team on the outside looking in. They take on
Pitt this week. If they beat Pitt and Cal somehow
beats SMU VA Tech beats you know, Virginia, then Miami's
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in and we're having a whole different discussion here. But
col just fired longtime coach, Justin Wilcos I believe this
is that first game without him here. Usually we see that,
you know, that dead coach bounce going on there, art right,
you know, it's like the fired coach. We're gonna get
a little big effort by Cal here in the final game,
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which is interesting that they fired him before the final
game of the season, but they did. And yet you're
saying maybe the market is moving the other way. They're
not buying into it at all, SMU the entire way here.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
So far, And that doesn't mean he can't change.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
And like I said, I think if we even nudge
up higher and get to fourteen, we will see instant
col money probably drop us back to thirteen.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
But we just have not seen it yet.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
But you're right, Joe, and we've we've talked about this
for years, all these fire coach angles in all sports.
Usually he's a real play and a real thing, and
people like to follow that trend.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It just has not happened yet in this Cow game.
When we come back on Friday.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I'll kind of monitor that game all, you know, the
next couple of days and see if we get some
nibbles on camp.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Art.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I know we're gonna talk about this on Friday. We
will again. But Matt Bartley writes Art, I'm curious if
we're seeing anything on the Ohio State game. Yeah, I mean,
obviously that's one of the biggest games of the regular season,
so to speak. In Colge moved Art.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
I know it's moved, does it?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
No, And you know it's funny press I actually I
responded to him. He was very happy with my response.
I said, listen, we will obviously get to that on Friday.
That will be one of the big college football games
we talk about. Let's give it a couple more days
see if anything really happens. But Joe's right, there's really
been no movement on the game.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, and that's gonna be the largest handled game by
the way, probably Oh yeah, right. I mean that's the
one game that will probably see more handle than any
other game on the schedule.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
There's no doubt about it. And you know, it's funny.
It hurts a little bit being at nine am in Vegas.
The time really hurts. It's not a primetime game where
it gives people all day, so the nine am kick
actually hurts a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
But yeah, why would they do that?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, well, because that's what Michigan and they do.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
They kick it.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, they've always done that, So it hurts us a
little bit. But obviously people have all week and you know,
all that type of stuff. We'll get plenty of in
game on it. So you're right, Joe, that will be
our number one handle game maybe of the college football
season until we get to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Guys, hit that like button, subscribe Dark Channel, and make
sure to comment. Don't turn this video off. Art Anything
in NBA, College, NHL, or anything, anything jump out at you.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Not really present.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
As I always say when it comes to those other sports,
anything that jumps out early before I get on the show,
I will always give out that information.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
But nothing really to speak up this morning.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Okay, guys, we want to part.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I got on question Press. I got one question for
art Art. You mentioned about this New Era tournament that's
being played out in your neck of the woods there right,
And I don't know that people understand that that tournament
is now moving to what twenty some odd teams next year.
I mean the plans for that tournament. They're trying to
make that like March Madness in November moving forward. And
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what maybe what a lot of people don't realize is
there is a ton of cash involved in this too.
This is like a there's prizes given here to teams
right that are coming out. So have you seen that
as it affected the way because you said you're seeing
a ton of hat on this tournament and it's only
going to get bigger next year in the year after
along those lines, But has the idea that these kids
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are getting paid a million dollars to a winner at
winning team I think, or something like that has that
affected the lines at all or or the way people
are thinking about this.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I mean, not for us, but I mean obviously with
these matters, if you hit it, it's going to be
like a mini March Madness early in the season. And
you obviously have all these top teams in there, plenty
ni Owl money. Like I said, with these top teams
and the way they're almost just letting it go early
in the season, we've seen a lot of high totals,
a lot of high scores.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
So that was the one thing I had mentioned yesterday.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
You're seeing a lot of overs in these tournaments because
these teams are just coming to Vegas and having fun
and letting it fly.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I went to and O last night in college hoops
on a nice eight and three run, but I did not.
I was not in play on that Gonzaga game, but
they got to a century. I'm assuming that that puppy
went over the total.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Don't miss the night's Yes, we're gonna go over Yeah,
don't miss the nights, because tonight's Michigan versus Gonzaga should
be the game of the year so far.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
There you go. Okay, guys, parlay of the day. We
won it yesterday, let's win it again today. Art and
the Edmonton Oilers did us right yesterday. They single handedly
cash the bet themselves simply by not playing any defense.
I pretty much handicapped that game perfectly. I think the
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New Jersey Devils at minus one thirty four is the
play tonight. No need to take them in regulation. Take
them straight on the money line. They're playing a horrible
Saint Louis team even without Jack Quinn. Take the Devils, Art.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I'm gonna go with a home team, which is basically
a pick on maybe minus one fifteen.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I'm gonna take Pittsburgh at home against Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Oh ink, Joe.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Really interesting, all right? I kind of like I like
where you're heading in that one. I do, I do?
Actually I am. Well, then we can keep it simple
here a ton of NBA Cup action tonight, and if
it a broke, I am not fixing it. The Miami
Heat at home, looking to continue to roll, Tyer hero
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Back taking on the Milwaukee bocks who may or may
not have you honest back. But I don't think it's
gonna make a damn bit of difference. I think the
Heat roll tonight right into the knockout stage of the
NBA Cup.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
There we go, and that is our parlay of the day. Okay, guys,
Every Tuesday and Wednesday we have a fade or not
fade segment. We do NFL. Today we are doing the
AFC and NFC South. We will be doing some NBA
along the way in the segment two moving forward, But
let's stick to the plan. The Indianapolis Colts not only
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coming off of a bad loss last week, but it
had to have been an emotionally tough loss. Art They
put up a grand total of eighteen yards in the
second half. Look terrible. Now they're playing a mean defense
in Houston. I don't know how to bet this game
on Sunday, and I don't know how to attack the
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Indianapolis Colts. I'm going to lean on taking them to
the overs, but I don't know whether to fade them
or not. What about you?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, I mean listen, Cults are obviously still a top,
top team.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
They had a rough week last week.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
When I look at this week, I wouldn't want to
back them against that Houston event.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Right, Houston is.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Starting to come on, starting to believe maybe that they
have a shot in this division. Obviously, this game is enormous,
despite the early cult move from three and a half
to four and a half, I would stay far away
from this game this week.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I would actually lean Houston.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Joe. Yeah, I like the Colts. I especially like the
Colts at home. Anytime the Colts are going to be indoors,
I would absolutely look to back them back. The team
totals over and yeah, I mean listen, a month ago,
we would not have suspected that Houston or Jacksonville it
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would be chasing down the Colts here. But they have
not played a home game since October twenty sixth. It's
been almost a month since they've actually played in this building,
slept in their beds and got to play on a Sunday.
And I don't Stroud is apparently back. Yeah, good luck
trying to figure out exactly what you're gonna get from him.
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I don't think it's gonna be much of anything, Prez.
I think you continue to fade the offense of Houston.
Great defense, but if they have to come from behind,
which I think they will in this game, I don't
see how they're gonna do that, especially with an improved
Colts defense.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, and then coming off with that horrible loss. This
is a gat right game for the Colts, hopefully six
and zero at home, Texans two and three on the road.
Let's talk about the Jaguars, and full disclosure, I don't
have a clue how to bet this team. I mean everything.
This is what we were talking about with Miami yesterday.
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Every time you think that they've turned the corner, that
Fabio has got his act together, that he's not modeling
or a harlequin romance novel, and then they stink the
next week. So I'm going to go with fade or
not fade, or simply just stay away. I'm thinking stay away, art.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
With you.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
They go on, they bomb the Chargers, they barely beat
the Cardinals, probably should have lost the game. They're a
tough team to figure out. I would more lean towards
fade them in spots down the road.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Yeah, Joe, It's like Jesus, we're trying to slice mediocrity here.
I mean, this is about his mediocre team as it
comes who continues to get a You've got a starting quarterback,
you gave two undred million dollars too, can't figure out
who to thrown the ball to, so he keeps throwing
the ball to the other team. I mean, what has
he got eleven interceptions on the season. I think he's
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got more I iNTS now than he has touchdowns. And
Liam pohe knows it because he keeps trying to run
the ball. They've been very good at running the ball,
but at some point against the better defenses, but that's
not gonna work. I think they're a good five hundred team,
if there is such a thing, but they'd be the
best of the rest. So in those situations, Frads, I'd
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probably look to back them.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, well there minus six and a half against the Titans.
We'll talk about them in a second. We briefly spoke
about the Texans, and I think there's gonna be spots
moving forward to bet on this Houston Texan team. I
think there's a good vibe coming out of that dressing room,
and my wife is very excited to see DeMarco Ryan
on the sideline, so that angle has to be taken
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into account as well. She's attracted to their coach, Joe.
He's a handsome dude. Okay, Arct, I don't know Texans.
I think they're a bet on team moving forward.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, and I think you can find spots to bet
their unders, to bet teams that they're playing team total
unders because of how good the defense is with Xans.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Job. Yeah, now they're a fake for me. If you
can't score, you can't run the ball. I don't care
how your defense is. And listen, the defense has carried
them this year and that's okay based upon the schedule
that they have had, but that is not going to
be okay when they have to play from behind in spots.
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I think they're gonna get caught. I can't trust that offense.
I don't like the offensive line. Defense is great and
again good for regular season conversations, but minute the competition
starts to get more difficult, Mike. This weekend for instance,
where if you're playing from behind against Indy in Indy
on the road, you're done.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Guys. You know who's not looking for a quarterback? And
this coming upcoming draft, the Tennessee It Titans, I think
they're a bet on team moving forward. Art, I think
we're gonna get value there. I think this team is
only going to get better and better as the season progresses,
and we saw a semblance of a fast defensive unit
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starting to form in front of us. I think this
team might be a bet on team moving forward in
certain spots. And I think they might be a bet
on team this Sunday.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, I mean, this is obviously a team who's going
to play the string out and want to play hard.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Because they said they're not going to battle for the
number one pick. They don't need a quarterback. They have
their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I don't know, maybe probably, I'm probably looking for a
new coach, but we'll see. And they played tough last week,
they came back, they obviously covered a big number. You'll
probably get some value with the Titans with some big
double digit spreads moving forward for the rest of the year.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Joseph, we're talking about the Titans, right, the Titans. Yeah, well, no,
you're right, you're right. I'm sure what you say. DeMarco
was his name? What's his name, Tomarco? Right, Tomarco Rys? Yeah,
well it's Demiko, but that's neither here nor there. But
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DeMarco's probably a good looking guy as well. I'm sure sure,
DeMarco is just as good looking either way.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Ico DeMarco Potato potatos exactly how I feel about the Titans.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
They suck any which way you slice it, and unfortunately,
list that game should not have been. I know they
covered against Seattle, but Seattle had a thirty point lead
going into the fourth corner and a twenty point league
going into the fourth corner in that game. An empty
netter to make the cover doesn't mean that Tennessee is
getting better. Tennessee is awful. I think the future is bright,
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but they got to nail the draft. This year is
a waste. There's no way I'd be looking to back
then in any way shape, no matter how much value
you think they're getting with that.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Okay, let's turn our engine too. The NFC South Tampa
Bay Buccaneers and a Baker Mayfield is questionable this week
a art I wanted, let's let's just just for a
second here, can you explain to me sort of side topic.
We got Tampa Bay at minus three and it's held
firm all week against Arizona. Logic would assume to me
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that that that you guys are expecting Baker. How could
this be minus three without Baker. Explain this line to me.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well, obviously we're expecting Baker to play.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Okay, so you mean, you know if, yeah, if you're
gonna hang a three there you're That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And here's the thing, you guys know this the old
school mentality would be this game will be off the board.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, so are you know?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
So? Last night I was going to out on the
board and I was like, Baker is questionable to play.
There's never an off the board anymore. What is going
on with that?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, here's the thing. This is how you gotta look
at it.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
And you know, obviously I'm leaning on guys who I
work with christ who have been doing this for thirty
and forty years. Back in the day, you were able
to put things off the board because Vegas was.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
The only game in town. There was no Internet, there
was no you know, odd screens where you could see
books all over the world. Now you can't be the
only sports book that has an NFL game off the board.
You just can't do it. You have to.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Sit there and we now have to speculate we think
Baker's playing. Obviously we have to stay on top of
the news, stay on top of the infiorports, all that stuff,
and then obviously you adjust on the fly. We can't
be sitting there with a Bucks Cardinals game off the board.
It just doesn't happen any.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Okay, So let's assume Me plays. I love Tema this Sunday,
but I don't think they're a bet on team moving forward.
Really strange team to figure out. Art.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, They've had really a weird season, lost some really
tough games against really good teams. You know, obviously they've
been dealing with a million injuries as well. Bucky Irving,
I mean, I know the backup me good, but he's awesome.
He hasn't played as well like two or three. This
is a get right spot for them this week. If
Baker plays, they really need to go out and beat
Arizona and get back on track. But I'm with you, President,
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I think moving forward, i'd be really weary of this tea.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, Joe, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Bucky Arvin looks to be back this week here, so
they are getting a little healthy. I believe some of
the offensive line is coming back. I don't think you
have to work. They don't need Baker to win this game.
The last couple of weeks have been brutal. The travel
spot for them, having to go to Orchard Park, come home,
then fly out west to go and play the Rams,
only to get their you know, their face smashed in.
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They get to go home. Now, they get to relax
a little bit. The Cardinals are not going to put
up enough of a fight. I think defensively as well,
with Todd Balls and company, they will make life miserable
for Jacoby Brissette and company. So I think they're safe
this week. But to me, it's all about the health
of this team moving forward. Can they get some of
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those pieces back and keep them healthy if they can, Yes,
they're a bet on team for me.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Guys, Carolina Panthers. This team again, I mean they beat
Green Bay and then they lay a total egg the
next week. This Carolina team is a total fade for
me and Frankly at home at plus ten and a half,
I handicap this game and I look at it and
I think, man, the Rams are going to get to
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twenty seven. I don't think Carolina gets anywhere near seventeen
against this Rams defense. I'm fading them this week. I'm
fading them the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Many.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
They forced all those turnovers against the Niners, still couldn't
cover the game.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
That was unbelievable. They are a tricky team to figure out.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I actually think over ten at home this might be
their last stand.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
But I understand all this stuff. You're same as it's.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Very hard to put your money onto the airline a
week in, a week out, Joe.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
They just lost another defensive back to suspension because he
had He had Jennings in the nuts for some reason
at the end of a game that they weren't even
close to winning. So I have no idea they lost.
I believe their other best defensive back got hurt in
that game too, so there's just there's Horn. I think
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j C. Horn got hurt again in that game, so
he's going to be out. I don't see a how
that defense is going to stop the Rams, and b
I don't know how the hell they're planning on scoring
on the Rams here. Yeah, sports starts for McVeigh, and
I think they don't be shocked if McVeigh just continues
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to feed Stafford and allows him to rack up the
touchdowns in the yards and secure that MVP at thirty
seven years old. It's exactly what McVeigh will do the
rest of the way. I don't see him taking the
foot off the guests against anybody press.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, I agree with you, Joe. We're all in the
same page. And the Falcons, guys, this might blow your mind.
I think they might be a bet on team moving forward.
I think they're a bet on team against the Jets,
and I know Joan will go to you first that
you're not a fan of their coach and you think
he's gonna be fired. But man, this team has too
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many weapons to ignore playing against the Jets team, and
I think if they win that game, it'll be two
in a row. They'll have a nice vibe going forward.
I think they're a bet on team.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
This is like choosing to you know, the firing squad
or hanging like good lord, this is these both. These
teams are absolutely awful. They're in transitions any which way
you cut it. I listen Atlanta this week. Sure, I
get it. If you can get them under a field
goal makes total sense. But moving forward, I'm sorry, man,
(30:16):
I don't think a thirty seven year old Kirk Cousins
that takes forever to throw the ball against better competition
is the side here. I don't like the offensive coordinator,
I don't like the head coach. I think they got
a serious culture problem in Atlanta. But hey, they should
be good enough to beat the you know, the under
five hundred teams, which is exactly what the Jets.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Are, aren't. I personally choose death by firing squad. I
think we'll have a little bit too much pain involved
watching this game with helping.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
I feel, yeah, watch this game on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Well, I mean, obviously we talked about this. Yesterday.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
The Sharps took Atlanta, they laid one, it's up two
and a half. They like them this week, but I
think moving forward with that coaching quarterback, no way to
one up back moving forward this week, I could see.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
It, okay. And then of course we have the New
Orleans Saints at two and nine. This team I'm betting against,
period till the end of the year. I don't actually
think they win another game, frankly, and I think there's
I think ultimately there's not going to be a line
(31:25):
big enough. This week they're in Miami. I'm scared about
this week's game, but New Orleans is paid for the art.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, I mean, we talked about it last week if
not now when everything pointed to the Saints winning last
week and they didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
So I'm with you. I think moving forward they are
a fade the rest of the year. I'm not saying
I'd want to go lay six with Miami, but you
put Miami in a teaser, you could talk me into it.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Joseph awful, absolutely awful, And don't go screwing up the
draft pick New Orleans. All right, don't go screwing this
up by winning some games. But I'm with you, President,
I would stay far away from the Miami game this
week because that's exactly what Miami does is they will
(32:16):
lose this game to New Orleans. Art.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I think Joe would be the coolest dude to sit
on a bench at Vegas, like around the Aria area
and just like rate girls as they walk past, be like,
what do you think of that girl? Joe rub vaulte?
Prez rubbed vaulting.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Then they've done that.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Joe, what do you think of that person? Don't know,
Prez doing the Stevie.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Wonders, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Ah, he would be so fun to rate women with Joe.
Oh my god, who's the hottest woman of all time?
For you, Joe.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
We are all Mary Charlotte's children of God pras. Okay,
we don't rate people. It's not what we do here.
We rate teams totally different. Everyone's beautiful everyone, Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Aren't anything else. I have a happy Thanksgiving, my brother,
I hope. Are you working? Yeah? You're working right.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I will be No, no, no, I won't be working tomorrow,
but I'll go.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Good, have a wonderful day tomorrow. Have a beautiful, amazing.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Way to Thanksgiving. Press. By the way, what what what's
your big what's your big plans there? Do you get
the old turkey and stuffing or what do you do there?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
So I've never had stuffing in my whole life. I
don't understand it. If if it was so good, it
would be in my food all the time. I don't
like any type of cook turkey. I do like it
cooked and then cold on a sandwich. So no, none
of that is happening. And I will be watching football,
just like your every American in America, even though not
(34:05):
every American will be watching football. I'm guessing there'll be
many not but yeah, I'm just gonna watch football, Shoe.
I do have an important twelve o'clock business meeting.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Though, Oh back to business art and enjoy today art,
you and I. It'll just be more turkey for us here.
That's all.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yes, enjoy your turkey. It's well done.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Art.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Get out of here. Happy Thanksgiving Art to Caesar. Okay, guys,
we got lots of show still left. Hit that like button,
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the way through. But before we get into any of that,
we got some business we need to discuss. Joe, I'm
excited about tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Man.
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Speaker 4 (36:44):
Should be I mean, I'm ready to go here a
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bets on for me want from you. We're going on
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the clock everyone, Joe. I'm gonna look straight into betting
against the Cleveland Browns. Now there's money coming in on Cleveland.
The line is down a minus four and a half
percent brand, and I'm gonna give you my take real quick.
I love sent Francisco and to have all your what
even injured, This team gets it done. This team goes
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out and throws I think three interceptions in the first
quarter of a game and still whoops the other team.
This team has no diffences and they still beat almost
everybody in their way. Now they're playing the Cleveland Browns.
And my take on the Cleveland Browns is this, they
just played their Super Bowl. I think the Cleveland Browns
(38:11):
were genuinely insulted being plus four against the Las Vegas Raiders,
and I think they had a meeting they said to themselves,
we're going into Vegas, we're winning this game. Well, that's
all over and done with. You won the game. Now
you can go back to the regular schedule program of
sucking crap. They are not going to be able to
keep up with San Fran. And regardless of how good
(38:32):
Cleveland's defenses, sant Fran is going to get some points.
Let's not overthink that sant Fran wins by ten or more.
Take the Niners, Joe, what do you like? Wow?
Speaker 4 (38:41):
That's and that's good, Priz. I like that, all right.
I am going to look in towards let's face it,
Minnesota taking on Seattle. It's the Sam Donald revenge game here,
and Max Brossmer it's going to be your quarterback there
for the JJ mc hearthy list Minnesota exactly, Minnesota Vikings listen.
(39:05):
Nothing to do here except look towards unders, either full
game under or team total under. Here I do think obviously,
Minnesota's defense is gonna have a little bit of pride here.
Nobody knows Sam Donald better than they do. But you know,
rookie Max Brosmer is not going to light up the
scoreboard against the Seattle defense. I like the full game
(39:28):
under in that one there, Joe.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Let's get some college football, one game each, sixty seconds
each of us. Let's go. I like San Diego State
on the money line here at Joe. If it gets
all the way to minus two and a half, I'm
good with that as well. Let me break this down.
This is a huge game, massive stakes. The winner of
this game hosts the conference championship. And what are we
gonna do. We're gonna take the team that stops the run.
(39:54):
New Mexico has had a great resurgence. I get it,
but it's largely because they run the They have a
trench warfare type of a setup. It's run, run and run. Well,
you can't run on the San Diego team. The Aztecs
are sixteen in the nation in rushing success rate. This
is not going to work for New Mexico. And I
(40:15):
will tell you this. New Mexico's secondary frickin' horrible one
one hundred and thirty fourth in the country. I think
that San Diego is going to be able to move
the ball on New Mexico. I think New Mexico is
going to struggle to move the ball on San Diego.
Let's take the Aztecs on the money line, Joe, who
do you like?
Speaker 4 (40:35):
I like that one there, Prez. All right, I'm gonna
head out West, Prez, because I do not like this
situation for Notre Dame. I like it even less that
they have to lay thirty two or more points here
against low ly Stanford. And I get it. They've been
on this whole scorched Earth tour here, winning nine straight
games by double digits. And that's seventy to seven beat
(40:57):
down of Syracuse, a side. They did lose a couple
of starting linebackers and defensemen in that game, So blowing
teams out has its has its price tag there, Prez.
But who are we kidding here? This game starts at
ten thirty Eastern time. Not exactly great for the clock
there for these Notre Dame players. Sure is Notre Dame
(41:20):
gonna win? Absolutely? Are they gonna win by more than
thirty two? Stanford has already pulled off upsets at home.
As bad as they have been, I think Notre Dame wins.
I think this is an obnoxious number. No way am
I laying it. I'll take it with Stanford, Joe.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Let's keep moving. There are three hundred NHL games on tap,
and I got two minutes to do each of them.
Boston going into New York. I like the Islanders in regulation.
That is even money. I love Florida in regulation against Philadelphia.
It's fade Philadelphia time, and I think Florida goes on
(41:58):
a little bit of a run. Take the under six
and a half in the Toronto Columbus game. Don't overthink it.
I know Toronto is seventeen and five to the over
this year. They have gone under three of their last four.
They are going to be an under team moving forward.
New York Rangers playing Carolina, let's stick with the under there.
Calgary and Tampa Bay. Take Tampa Bay and regulation. Calgary
(42:23):
three wins in a row. Holy Moly, it's time to
fade the Flames. Take New Jersey minus one thirty five
against Saint Louis. Take Detroit in regulation at plus one
oh five against Nashville. I lean on the over six
and a half in the Buffalo Pittsburgh game. I like
the under six and a half in the Winnipeg Washington game.
(42:45):
I like Chicago as a very small dog against one
of the hottest teams in the league, the Minnesota Wild.
I like San Jose and Colorado to go over the total.
There is a five even a half out there. That
is a shocking number to me. There's also a six
and a half, so we're going with six. Take over
(43:08):
the total in that game. Take Utah against Martreola on
the money line minus one forty. I love Vegas in
regulation against Ottawa. It's bet Vegas time, fade Ottawa time.
Vancouver playing Anaheim here. I don't know what to do
in this game. It's a tough one, but if I
had to bet it, I would lean on Anaheim in
(43:30):
regulation and Joe. Take the Dallas Stars minus one thirty
against Seattle. That's it, man, I went through them all.
Let's go your turn.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
That was impressive. All right, we'll see how many we
can get through here. Pres NBA Cup time here tonight.
It's going to start with the thirteen game winning streak
of the Detroit Pistons on the road against the Boston Celtics.
Detroit has already clinched into the next round of the
NBA Cup. Here, I think it's time to sell high
(44:02):
on the Detroit Pistons here. How about the Knicks on
the road against the Hornets, looking to rev it up
here a little bit. Hornets are terrible, but I don't
trust the Knicks on the Road to be laying six
and a half points. The Raptors also red hot on
eight in a row, but they also have nothing to
play for here. As far as the NBA Cup goes,
the Pacers getting a little healthier, getting a little more competitive,
(44:25):
I don't think the Raptors are going to leave it
all out there to win by double digits. I'll take
the points with the Pacers. The Heats are back at
home riding a big winning streak. The Bucks are coming
to town. Maybe honest, maybe not. The market doesn't care.
Neither do I, because I'm taking the over in that one.
The Timberwolves taking on the Thunder haven't seen them well
(44:48):
since the Thunder bounced them out of the postseason last year,
and while they're going to bounce them out of the
NBA Cup here as well, Thunder will roll the Grizzlies
and the Pelicans. If a tree falls in a forest
and nobody's there, does anybody care? The answer is no.
How about the Warriors though, Boy, they dispatched the Rockets
last year in the playoffs in a game seven, didn't they. Well,
(45:10):
I'll have a chance to do it again here tonight.
No Kevin Durant for the Rockets, but the Warriors will
have Steph Curry available to him, riding a little bit
of a losing streak here. Expect a big night from
Stephan the Warriors. The Suns should handle the Kings, no problem.
That line is continuing to rise, so grab the sun
(45:30):
sooner rather than later. And how about the Portland Trailblazers
at home with an opportunity to win their group and advance.
I like them to do that against the Spurs here tonight.
And make sure you're watching Michigan and Gonzaga tonight and
look for points because I'll be going over in that game.
Pres Joe type of the mailbag section. I want to
(45:53):
shout out to Larry Hart.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
He writes every day, Blessings from Long Island. Blessings to you, Larry.
I also want to point out we have two haters, Joe,
they hate me, not you. One's name is Tim, the
other's name is who cares. I just want to say,
Joe that I love the haters. They're my favorite people
in the whole world. Because when you hate someone and
(46:17):
then you spend your day listening to them every single day,
and then you take time to comment on their shows
to help the YouTube algorithm, it's one of those things
where your actions don't meet your words. I think these
guys think they hate me, but can't really get enough
(46:40):
of me and delive rent Rey in their heads is
just magnificent, Joey, So shout out to Tim and the
other guy who will go nameless. What else is going
on with you, Joe? There's a lot of love for
you always, dude.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Somebody.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I think it's the women, Joe. The women love you, Joe.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
We love them, Press, we love them. It's a beautiful
to you.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
It's your voice. It's your voice too always. Merlin writes,
the Panthers are confusing the Jags hold my beer. Mickey Wrights,
he loves this show. John Wrights courtion with betting against
the cowboys with their picks pickups and the death of
a teammate the death of a teammate is a good point, Joe.
They really have rallied around that. This is I want
(47:30):
to bet the Cowboys so bad tomorrow, but I can't
go into that damn trend. You ruin my bet, bro, you.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
And me both bras. I mean, twenty five to one
road favorites on Thanksgiving this time of year are road
favorites for a reason. That's not a trend I want
to bet into at all?
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Are you? Are you betting on that game at all?
Speaker 4 (47:51):
I think I'm going to wait until somebody scores first
and then look to jump in live. I think that
in the Baltimore Raven Bengaled game, are much better served
waiting to get a good number in game. My hope
is Flaca Flaco, Will Flacco Junior there, Joe Burrow comes
out and immediately they're up seven to nothing, so we
(48:14):
can get the Ravens at a better number. That's what
I'd be looking to do in this one.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
But how do you attack this total in the Kansas
City game? Joe? You got? I mean, you look at
it and you're like, Okay, the Cowboys at home can
put up forty points. The Cowboys at Home score man
they're almost impossible to keep down. But what we saw
Kansas City do last week against Indianapolis was utterly insane.
(48:39):
And not only that, but this Kansas City team indoors
on the carpet. They're going to score too. Everything says
the over, but I don't know if I can get there.
Do you have any quick thoughts on that before we go?
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Whoever you think my suggestion is going to win that game,
bet their team total over. Cowboys are averaging about what
twenty three twenty four points a game, something along those lines.
They're gonna need at least that to win that game.
If you like the Cowboys, bet their team total over.
And if you like the you like Kansas City. They're
gonna have to score. This is not gonna be nineteen
to sixteen. That's not what this game is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
I agree with that. That's the show. Listen, everybody, I
wish you guys the best Thanksgiving ever. Spend a ton
of time with your family. Don't put money on these
games that you can't afford to lose. There is no
reason to wreck your Thursday by sitting there being all
upset that the first team you bet lost. This is
(49:37):
a marathon on a sprint. Nobody needs to make all
their money tomorrow. We not only have all week or
all year, we have a lifetime to accumulate wealth. So
tomorrow is a day of love and family, not a
day to ruin by placing large bets on games that
you can't control. Be careful tomorrow, everyone, lots of love.
(50:01):
We'll see you Friday.
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