December 10, 2025 • 51 mins
On today's episode, Prez, Joe and Art discuss money moves in the NFL, college basketball, which NFL playoff teams to bet against, NBA and NHL breakdowns and more!
00:00 INTRODUCTION
01:08 WHERE'S THE EARLY MONEY GOING NFL WK 15
12:19 LINE MOVE IF PHILLIP RIVERS STARTS FOR COLTS?
15:39 PARLAY OF THE DAY
17:35 FADE OR NOT? NFL PLAYOFF TEAMS
37:25 PR EZ'S EARLY NFL WK 15 BET
38:43 JOE'S EARLY NFL WK 15 BET
39:47 CBB GAME PREVIEWS | BEST BET
42:19 NHL RUNDOWN
45:29 NBA RUNDOWN
47:39 MAILBAG! VIEWER QUESTIONS
00:00 INTRODUCTION
01:08 WHERE'S THE EARLY MONEY GOING NFL WK 15
12:19 LINE MOVE IF PHILLIP RIVERS STARTS FOR COLTS?
15:39 PARLAY OF THE DAY
17:35 FADE OR NOT? NFL PLAYOFF TEAMS
37:25 PR EZ'S EARLY NFL WK 15 BET
38:43 JOE'S EARLY NFL WK 15 BET
39:47 CBB GAME PREVIEWS | BEST BET
42:19 NHL RUNDOWN
45:29 NBA RUNDOWN
47:39 MAILBAG! VIEWER QUESTIONS
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Cleveland Browns playing the Bears, the Colts and the
Sea Hawks, the Panthers and the Saints. Those are three games.
Art the Caesar is gonna tell us how to bet.
You can hear them laughing in the background. That's Tuesday
mocked that up, Art the Redskins. Your laughter when I
(00:26):
said that, Oh class, we are not editing. This show
is part of the lore. Part of the lore of
the show known as the best betting show ever, Art
the Caesar with us, Joe and Airy. I might have
a little bit of dementia setting and or I did
(00:47):
that purposely? Who knows?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Did I do it purposely?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
No chance?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
No, Redskins, Giants, Packers, Broncos, Lines, Ran, Raiders, Eagles. Oh my,
all right, let's start right there, bro, Redskins and the Giants.
This is a game that everyone is interested in. Tell
us how are are people betting it?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Well?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah, you get to this point of the season, right Prez,
where there are games that really don't mean much in
the standings, but are gonna still have interest with betters.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
You know, Giants were one and a half point home favorite.
They've now ticked up the two.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
The real move here Sharp wise was over money forty
five and a half.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
We're now forty seven to the over in that game.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
A game that we briefly touched on yesterday, Packers at Broncos.
We opened Packers one and a half. It's now two
and a half. That was sharp money. Totals gone up
from forty one and a half to forty three and
a half for us. That was not sharp money. That's
just us moving with the market. Little bit of bets
here and there on the over, but nothing that it
(01:53):
was like, Oh it's sharp, we really got to move.
We're just kind of catching up with the market on
that number. At Rams, this is a excellent game. And
you know, we open Rams four and a half. Sharp's
played four and a half and they laid five and
a half. We're now six on the RAMS. I think
the Rams are also gonna be very popular in the
money line parlays and the teasers. Obviously, the total has
(02:16):
seen a big jump total of fifty two and a
half on an opener. We're now fifty five on that game.
How high do we get? Is this the top of
the market. This is something we always talk about with
these games. This is obviously a game that probably should
see a lot of points, So no shock that it's
one of the highest totals, if not the highest total
we've seen on the board all year. And the Raiders
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Eagles now before the Monday night game, you know, Eagles
were twelve and a half thirteen on our look ahead.
After the Monday night game, they've been downgraded a little bit.
We reopened Philly ten and a half, totals dropped from
thirty eight and a half to thirty seven and a
half off sharp money.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So kind of a unique situation, sweet art, right, I mean,
we got a couple of ten win teams that are
getting points, Like, how does that happen? Here? Are we
anticipating and I'm wondering our games like this? Is there
a clear public you know, pros versus Joe's line drawn
in the sand with the public's like, how how is
(03:20):
Denver getting points at home with ten wins? How are
the Patriots or is it? Is it pretty much everyone
in agreement here that Denver they're waiting for the shoe
to drop, and it's probably coming.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I think the Denver shoe, as far as the betters go,
they've been waiting. It's almost like the Bears they were
waiting for the Bears for the shoe to drop there. Now,
you know, depending on what you got that number at
last week, you could have pushed it with the Bears
because there were plenty of sevens out there.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
But Denver is in that unique situation. And we talked
about this yesterday.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Green Bay not only public, but green Bay very popular
with sharps. Denver not popular with the public and not
popular with sharps. That's why you've seen that. And you
know green Bay and Buffalo and well, you know, we'll
touch on the Buffalo game later in the week, but
that's another one where they're now a favorite. It was
basically pick now they're minus one, minus one and a
half Buffalo being favored over New England that I don't
(04:12):
want to say New England is not public or not sharp.
They're definitely more so on the better's minds than Denver.
But Buffalo falls into the same category almost like Green Bay,
where the public loves to load up on Buffalo. So
it's no shock that those teams are favored the way
they are.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
You know, art to me and listen, I want to
remain inside of this pocket or SEC talk NFL. I'm
not around tomorrow or Friday, Brian Power hosting. I honestly,
I mean here I sit feeling like the KC Chargers
line is the most wrong or the wrongest, or the
(04:53):
line that stands out as the strangest of all, and
yet I can't seem to pull the trigger on the Chargers.
That's the most shocking line to me.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I don't disagree, But that also goes back to the
public still loves Kansas City. I don't know why. I
don't now they've shoved Kansas City down our throats for
the last five years. They're always on prime time. We
know all the players, we know the coach, we know everything,
and the Chargers are a little boring. Quarterbacks hurt, coachesn't likeable.
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There's like a lot of things about the Chargers where
people don't want to bet the Chargers, but they still
are like, oh no, well, if the Chiefs went out,
they got a shot.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I'm with you, Prez. How could you lay over a
field goal.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Right now in a division game? I know it's at
home with the Chiefs. I just don't get it.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I mean, how sorry, Joe, And I'll ask you this question,
how much better is Houston than the Chargers that Houston
can be plus three and a half three, go into
KC and beat them and the Chargers can't.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I A lot of this, I think still has to
do with the idea that the excuse with the Chiefs
will continue as long as there is an excuse or
people perceive there be an excuse, in this case, the
decimated offensive line. If there is any hope that those
guys are coming back this week, and we already know
(06:22):
the backups to the backups are hurt on the Chargers
offensive line, you're gonna get a lot of cheat. People
are gonna look for a reason and be like, oh,
that's why they sucked. So yeah, no, they're gonna be
better now. And I don't know how that's not gonna
change overnight or in one season either. It feels like
as long as Kansas City has my homes and Andy
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Reid and people are gonna be like, yeah, no, this
is just temporary, they're gonna flip. They're doing the same
crap with the Eagles art. I mean, everyone keeps thinking
in week fourteen or fifteen, they're gonna flip a switch
and the offense is gonna be fixed.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
It's not yeap Artle, let's stay in the NFL real quick, guys,
hit that like button. If you don't mind subscribe to
our channel. Make sure to comment. We got so much
show ahead of us. Our parlay of the day, we're
going to do fade or not. The top teams in
each division in the NFL. We got our NFL bests,
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college basketball, and the rundowns. At the end of the show, Art,
I'm gonna throw some games at you. Eighty nine percent
of the money looks like it's coming in on Houston,
eighty eight percent on Philadelphia. We got a ton of
money on the over in the Baltimore game, a ton
of money on the over in the Washington Giants game.
(07:39):
You're ready alluded to that, a ton of money on
the under in the Indianapolis Seattle game, and a whole
bunch of people running to the window to bet the
San Francisco forty nine ers. Anything you want to discuss
in any of those games, anything stand out there.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Well before you do that, Art, I'm glad you brought
up the percentages there, Prez, because I heard I was
talking to somebody yesterday and they were telling me that
I guess through the first fourteen weeks. Teams that have
been getting at least sixty percent of the tickets are
getting their ass handed to thirty seven percent through forty weeks.
(08:17):
So the teams that are like, I'm just trend off
and off, trend off fifty and eighty four against the
number are through thirteen weeks. Anybody getting sixty percent or
more of the tickets. I mean, my goodness, that's got
that's just your guys are cleaning house on those games.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, it's funny with those ticket counts. I always want
to let people know you could book a game and
you can have let's just use a round number. You
get one hundred tickets on a team, but it could
be all public tickets, right, you know, you could have
five tickets on the other side, but they're from your
five sharpest accounts, So it's sometimes a little those could
(09:02):
be misleading, you know. And I'm pres just to touch
on one that you hit that top one. The Houston
money we had talked about yesterday, where Arizona is a
complete fade now and you know Houston at nine and
a half, going to tag going to ten and a half,
just going through the roof here, I mean, there's gonna
be no, No one's gonna run in the window to
bet Arizona. So there are some games where it does align,
(09:24):
but I think a lot of times you gotta remember
the respected accounts are going to be minis school compared
to the public accounts. So you could get so many
games where the public just lines up on one team
and it's like, oh, look, how skewed this is.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
So you know, always keep at art.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Listen, I just real quick. Baltimore, we ought money coming
in on the over. That makes sense, but man, people
are betting Baltimore, right. Is there gonna be a three
on tap?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah? I mean I could see it.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Baltimore is another team that still late in the season,
the betters don't want to quit better still feel oh well,
they're gonna find their legs, they're gonna figure it out.
And Baltimore falls under that category as one of those teams,
like Joe said, like in Eagles, like the Chiefs, like
we discussed, the betters almost feel like they're getting a
discount on this, so let's load up on these low
(10:19):
numbers and maybe we're ahead of the move.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
By the way, Stroud has what three years now, he's
been a league I think he has started forty six
or forty seven games. Want to take a guess, is
the biggest favorite he's ever been?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Minus nine and a half.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That's eight was his previous high against Tennessee. I think
Land better. He is never as a starting quarterback in
the NFL late this kind of number, I don't know.
Does that give you a pause? Pres I mean that
offense at Houston is so.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I spoke about this game Joe on the NFL Presidential Address,
which guys, that's up now live Where did you talk?
Dot TV? Check it out. It's about eighteen minutes long.
I take a part every game, and you know, I
was trying to figure out how do you bet this game?
And I kind of made the analogy to the Philadelphia
Las Vegas game, because here we have we've lost Joe,
(11:14):
but you know, the show.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Is still going. But that's all right.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Here we have a scenario where two teams double digit favorites,
neither of them can score. How do you attack a
game like that? You know, I came up with the
under team total or Arizona and the under team total
a LATAs Vegas. That's sort of how I tackled those
(11:39):
two games. I just didn't know how else to look
at it. I certainly can't take Arizona and basically the
way I said, okay, you know, can you see a
twenty to three game here, or you know, seventeen to
nine game and all of that sort of gets me
(11:59):
to under and I would say those scores are I say,
what happens in Arizona and Houston, give or take, will
happen in Hiladelpa, Las Vegas. It's it's it's it's.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Just unless it's defensive or special teams as Yeah, at
which points that's it? You can't down on that. There's
too much variance. Are one final one here? What I
had this conversation this morning. I'm still trying to figure
out how anybody has a line on this Seattle Indie
game when we're not even sure who the hell the
(12:31):
quarterback is going to be for the Colts. It doesn't
sound like Riley is going to go in this game.
The only other quarterback they have on in the organization
is Ripping And now they've signed of course, you know,
forty four year old grandpa Philip Rivers. Does this If
they announced that Rivers is going against Seattle, does this
(12:53):
line go up does it go down? What about ripping?
I mean, what happened. I don't even know how. We're
at thirteen and a half and we have no idea
who's going to be under center.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah, I mean, you know, as I talked about yesterday,
we open eleven on them. You know, we've had this
conversation before. In the old days, you guys know this.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
You could keep a game off the board till game day.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, yeah, you could and nobody.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Nobody would say anything, Nobody would call you out. There
was no social media, there was no you guys or cowards.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Put a lineup. You could do it and it was respected.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
It was it was do you want to wait till
Sunday morning to put a lineup? That's fine, you can't
do that in this age. You have to put up
which is crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Like with you, where does that line go with?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It's not about the fact that he's forty four, Joe.
He's done when he was thirty nine. Yeah, I mean,
he's really bad.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
He was.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
But to answer your question, Joe, I think the perception
of having a who's basically been on the couch for
five years coaching its kids hasn't played as forty four
years old. He goes in that line clearly goes up
over fourteen past obviously at has to and I don't
know will there be back at some point?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Will there be blood?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Better be the betters will look at it lowish total,
they'll just run and try to play defense.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I mean you might, but you have to go over.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I got a bet. I got a bet Philip rivers
over half a yard rushing.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
He could he could get tackled going forward and get
two yards though. So that's that's a rough one there.
I'm gonna be fascinated because Ripping. I think the same thing.
If it's if Ripping gets an half and this is
his ninth team in the NFL and in like five years,
like it's going to four, it's going So do you
(14:55):
grab it now? Do you lay to thirteen and a
half now at Seattle? Because it feels like anybody who
they this thing is going to be fourteen fifteen, sixteen points?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Yeah, I mean probably, Like I said, you already missed
a good number of you know, we opened eleven or
eleven Monday morning, you know, and obviously saw sharp accounts
say hey, this thing's gonna balloon, because I mean, even
if it was Riley Leonard.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I mean we've Ridley Leonard was hurt until we found
out about Rivers. So you made eleven based upon Leonard
being the started quarterback.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
This is gonna be an This is even going to
be the greatest story in the history of the NFL.
Or It's gonna be the biggest train wreck. I can't
wait to see.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
It on fam minus eight hundred train wreck. It is art.
The Seeds are joining us from the West Gate, Joveniria,
Lawrence Pressman, this is the best betting show ever. Stay
with us all the way to the end. We got
lots more our parlay of the day that we went yesterday,
I think I won my leg No, we did.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
To be honest with you, pres it was the rare
time we all lost.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I lose my legs.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It was.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Rare time.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well, I don't even remember what I put out and
people are like, how do you how do you not
know this? Press? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no I did. No,
I did put out Edmonton as a client player, which.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
He had the under and the stars.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yes, yes, four three almost.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
With still rare time.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Okay, well I'm going with the over in the Florida
Panthers game. Do I see it five and a half
out there?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Of course at the two books, we could always count
on over five and a half of me. Uh Florida,
Utah Art.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
This team is undefeated in college basketball, and overnight they
were a slight dog. Now they're a slight favorite at home.
Wisconsin can be tricky. But give me the Nebraska at
home money.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Line, Joseph, You know a part of me really wants
I don't know why the money is pouring in on
the Lakers now up to seven and a half.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
In Swans here, but I mean, all right, I'll buy it.
I'll take the Lakers on the money line. But every
part of me wants to take the points in San
Antonio here tonight. But I'll take the Lakers to advance
at home on the money line.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Okay, parlay of the day in the bag, It's time
for fade or not made. We're gonna go through the
top teams in each division. We're gonna start with the
New England Patriots. They have Buffalo at home this week,
then they are on the road playing Baltimore that Jets,
and they end at home against Miami. I think they're
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a fade team. Now, I'm not gonna tell you that
they're not a good team. I just think that they're
overvalued in the market and I think they will regress
and I'm looking to bet against them. The Sunday Art.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, I'm with you, President. I think the line is telling.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I think a team who's said the type of year
they've had eleven and two obviously a reflection of the
schedule of Buffalo now being a favorite and should be
a favorite in the game. I definitely like Buffalo in
the game this week, but I think New England moving
forward with some of those teams Baltimore, who I don't
think that's you know, their team.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
You can kind of go against the Jets.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I know the Dolphins will played better, but New England
will get back on track.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
But not this week, Joseph.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
They're part of a handful of teams that you know,
you can only play the teams that are on your schedule.
I get it, but at some point, you know, and
I think it starts with New England this week. I
think it starts with Denver. Yeah, you know you're gonna
have to do it against much better competition than what
you've been doing it against. On a consistent basis. So
(18:54):
for now it's a holding pattern for me because it's
been that kind of screw in the AFC pens where
you don't know, you just I think it's still anybody's
game in the AFC. But I think we're gonna learn
a lot over the next couple of weeks. And those
those great ten win teams but have played absolutely nobody.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
The Steelers, they're playing Miami at home on Monday Night,
then they're on the road playing the Lions, the Browns,
and they end hosting the Ravens. I am fading them
in all four games.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Art, Wow, you and I aligned the same way here, Prez,
especially on Monday night.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
They cannot be laying over threes. A Dolphine team has played.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
So much better, you know, I know the Dolphins aren't great,
but you're gonna give me three and a half.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I'll take Miami all day.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
And then Joe, guys, Tomlin is twenty two and five
on Monday night. Like every time we try to stick
a fork in Tomlin they end up. It just drives
me absolutely lazy here, you know, not to mention they're
eleven and one straight up at home in Pittsburgh and
it will be colder than it wasn't met live for Miami,
(20:11):
so we expected to go into what you know, teams
with some wind and no and not to mention chan
Is still I don't know if he's going or not.
Nobody seems to know if he's. If they can't run
the ball, they're not winning that game. They're likely not whinning.
They're not covering either. So Pittsburgh picked your spots, namely
(20:32):
when well, I don't know, especially when everyone wants to
stick a fork and Tomlin and to say that the
season is over, that's probably when you want to bet him.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, and that's their point, Joe. Let's talk about the Giants.
The Jags. They're a double digit favorite minus twelve and
a half hosting the Jets. Then they're on the road
playing the Broncos, the Colts, and they end with the Titans.
I think this team might be a bet on team.
(21:01):
I don't think I'm gonna get to the window though
against the New York Jets, but why not? I mean
who I think Philip Rivers is starting with the Jets
this week.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Richard Todd. Richard Todd, I think they signed Neil O'Donnell.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yeah, President Listen, the Jags are one of those. For me,
it's they're just kind of a stay away because, I
mean against the Jets so inconsistent. Who knows give him
credit there right in the playoff mix here, maybe can
win the division, but I would say far away from
this jetsam especially this week.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I can't lay almost two touchdowns, Joe.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
It's funny, press I said the biggest spread for CJ.
Stroud was eight prior to this game against Arizona. This
will be the biggest spread Tremor Lawrence in his career
has ever laid. He has never been a double digit
favorite like he is against the Jets or a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I think Fabio has laid a lot of spreads, Joe.
I just said, I.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Don't know that he's getting to get a lot of
too spreads in Jacksonville. Yeah he is.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Okay, So let's talk Broncos, Joe. I know you're gonna
fade them.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'll tell you now. We like this team is only
going to get better. I don't know what it is.
They got a great coach, they seem to be able
to get it done. And I mean this Sunday, the
Packers are an overrated team. I don't know. I'm interested
in Denver Art.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, I'm not. They fall into new like the New
England class.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
For me.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I got to see them beat a really really good team.
All their games seem to be tight. The fact that
I'm getting green Bay under a field goal, I know
it's on the road until you can look at the
money line of green Bay.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I like green Bay in the game. I don't think
Denver is a player, Joseph.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
You know, Denver at home I think is one thing.
Denver on the road continues to be a fade. But
I've got to look at the number press because this
was interesting with bo Nicks being a dog here at home.
You know, for all his faults, he doesn't get blown out.
I believe his six point teaser record is like twenty
(23:16):
six and three. It's some unbelievable number where yeah they
may not you know, but they cover in a big
way with them on a six point teaser might not
be the way to look at home with him getting
what one one and a half, now.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Know, there's still two and a halfs out ane and
a half, so I'm definitely going to be putting them
in a teaser as well. And I think, look, I
know it's not a long teaser, but doesn't Denver and
the Chargers sound like a decent teaser bet to you, guys.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
It's not terrible, it's not terrible. It's not terrible. But
if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I mean, I
think Denver getting eight and a half at home not
a bad look.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
The Eagles are fascinating here, guys, because I think I've
isolated a way to bet them. And I'll tell you
that in a sec they are hosting the Raiders on
the road, playing the Commodores. Lionel Richie will be the lead.
Then they're in Buffalo and they end with the Commodores. Again.
(24:24):
I don't think Lionel makes that last one.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Though.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
This is a team that does not need to win
out and I think the message that Philadelphia needs to
send here is we can throw the ball. I think
their team total over interests me.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Art oh Man, you know, in all those games except
for the Buffalo game, they'll be nice size favorites. Obviously
a big favorite this week against the Raiders. Obviously for me,
I can't lay big numbers with them. Think there's value
on unders in their games because they're off their and
(25:05):
their d is really good. So and you know they
went to overtime this week and they under still hit.
So I think there's still some value on their unders.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Joe, like running into a brick house, Press, I don't
think I think that is absolutely that is absolutely the
best way to look at it. Press. I agree with
you one hundred percent. Listen, even if if you're gonna
win games, forget about cover. You're gonna win games, you
gotta score points, right, And I think that's how you
correlate with Philadelphia. If you think they're gonna win some games,
(25:38):
they're going over their team total. If you think, then
go And it happened again against the Chargers. I think
that team total close twenty and a half. I had
them at twenty one and a half and it's still
they still didn't get there, so and they lost. I
think that correlates.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I feel like I feel like this is a team
that if they can stretch the field in the next
four games and show the teams are going to face
in the playoffs that they are not one dimensional, it
might open up that running game. And if it does,
that defense is good enough to win the Super Bowl.
I'll tell you that right now. So this team has
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to find a way to scare the other defenses. So yeah,
that's sort of how I'm looking at it now. The
Packers have the Broncos this week, the Bears next week,
the Ravens the week after, and they end in Minnesota,
and I promise you Minnesota will want to beat them.
This is not the easiest schedule out there. I know, Art,
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you like this backer team and are looking to bet
the moving forward. I'm not. I'm interested in the unders though,
all right.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, I mean I like Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
You know, the quarterbacks still worris me a little bit,
but I like the coach. I like the defense. They
can run the ball, So I still like Green Bay
in spots.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Joe two bets. You always want to make president. You're
a big parlay guy right in the NFL. All right, well,
here's a trend off for you. Trendof tad off. That's right.
Matt Lafleur twenty one and four straight up in a
month of December. Sean McVeigh twenty seven and eleven straight
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up in the month of December. Bet these guys on
the money line Press in the month of December. Those
teams forget about the spreads. They win games in December
when it matters, and they've been doing it for a while.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Now.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well, we're going to talk about the Rams shortly, but
the Bucks and the Panthers will do them together. I
won't give you their schedule. I like the Bucks this Thursday.
I feel like the New Orleans Gate New Orleans game
was what I call a bottom out game, if you will.
I think the Bucks are a bet on team moving forward,
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and I think Panthers are a fade art.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
The Bucks gotta get their guys back healthy. This has
been a theme with them all year. It feels like
they deal with a million injuries. But obviously on the
short week, it's a really bad Atlanta team. You have
to like Tampa on Thursday night football. I mean, that's
the only way to look.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Who were the Panthers playing this week?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
The Panthers are playing a chip team at Saints. Yeah,
who's the favorite? Panthers minus two and a half if
I recall, yep, minus two and a half.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Okay, trend off the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Tread off.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
The Panthers have not won or covered the spread in
the game that they have been favorite since September one,
four years ago. They've lost eleven straight straight up and
against the number as a favorite. This is the longest
streak since nineteen I think the merger they said since
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nineteen seventy they can't win. They are dead in the
water as a favorite. But maybe that changes now.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It's not gonna hold true forever, Joe.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
That's what I mean, but it's hell true for for.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean what that said. Let's let's let's take that
with a grain of salt. How many times were they
favored in the last four years?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Eleven?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Eleven? Yeah, in Quebec they call that awns. It's my
favorite number in French awns. It just sounds good, awns on.
That's eleven in French. Okay, Rams and Seahawks, oh man,
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I'm not betting the Rams this week. They're so good though,
and the Seahawks, I'll bet them. I think both teams
are a bet on team moving forward. I think both
teams are awesome. I'm looking to bet on Seattle this week,
not the Rams.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Art.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I'm with you, Press.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
I think both teams are awesome, but to me, the
the two best teams in the conference.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I can't wait. I can't wait till they play. I
know we've talked forever about their future stuff. You know
it's probably too late on both these teams, but maybe
now's the time to start looking at future stuff conference,
you know, super Bowl, all that type of stuff, because
the numbers are only going to go.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Down Thursday, December eighteenth. Joe, I'm not going to say
or that's when they play. Yeah, I'm just saying that's
when they play. Oh, okay, you get to say, Joe.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I was just giving you a little color Oh I
like the color press. Let me let me just say this.
This Sunday is when the Detroit Lion season ends. I
am betting the Rams. I think the Rams absolutely let
everybody know and make a statement of who the best
team in the NFC is. And sorry, can't keep giving
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up third points a game, Detroit and expect anybody to
take you seriously. I think the Rams destroyed them. Wow,
look at the book, Look at the Dams. I mean,
it's been no man's land from the open five you
said five and a half sick. Yeah, that's no man's land.
And yet it's not going the other way. The public
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will want Detroit. They think it's too many points, but no.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yeah, well and laid la early, so you know that's
why we've moved. Yeah to that, you know, to that six.
Not that six is key, but we're starting to trend
to key numbers.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Well right now over in odds launching across all the
sports books, it looks like ninety two percent of the
tickets on the over, seventy two percent on the money,
sixty six percent on the rams, ninety percent of the
money on the rams the rams. So and yet we've
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gone from six to five and a half. Interesting, that
was a great segment.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
We didn't I opened as low as four and a
half five, so we know, yeah, we've seen nothing but
all we've seen. Yeah, you were born.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Right now. You can get a six at or one
one and a four and a half heavily juiced at
penny ur and a half, not heavily juiced. Oh that
was the open. Yeah, okay, great breaking segment. Man, I
love it. I love Wednesdays Art. Thanks for doing this, man.
What's going on over at the Westgate? Anything to promote?
Speaker 4 (32:34):
No, not much, pres listen, man, enjoy your trip. Obviously,
Joe myself and Brian will hold down the ford here
the rest of the week, and you know, obviously I'll
see you next week.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, I'll be back for the Monday show. Art deseaser.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Everyone.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Thanks for doing this, Joe. We got lots to talk
about you, and I still have to give out our
NFL best bet, you got the college basketball best bets,
and then the NHL and NBA rundown. Plus let always
we will end with our mailbag segment. Before we get
into any of that, It's time for some business, Joe.
I got a big, big, big couple of bets in
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Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, let's get into some n AL best bets. I
got one for you, Joe, and this is likely going
to be a client play again, feel charitable. I know
this is as square as it can be. But you
know what, Joe square plays win too. We're going with
the over in the La Detroit game. And let me
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bottom line this. There was seventy four points scored in
the last Detroit game, the one Dallas played forty four
to thirty Detroit victory. There were fifty five points scored
in the Green Bay game that would have pushed. There
was sixty one point scored when they played the New
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York Giants, there was six. The six points scored when
they played Washington fifty five is Child's played for this
Detroit Lions team. And when you look at the rams,
they just put forty four up on Arizona, twenty eight
on Carolina, thirty more on Tapa Bay, forty two on
SAT Brand.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
This team has.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Gone over thirty or over thirty four four times in
their last six games. That is unheard of. And yes
they have a good defense, they're not holding Detroit down
fifty five, thirty one, twenty eight, thirty one, twenty seven,
thirty one, twenty five, thirty or twenty eight. They all
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go over. Joe, what do you like?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Pres We talked about this game a little bit earlier,
and I'm sorry, I mean, listen, the look aheadline for
the Houston Texans was six to six and a half
and they go to Arrowhead and come away with a win.
You know, I'm still scratching my head about the whole
fourth down going for it on their own thirty one.
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But nothing that I saw in that game against Kansas
City leads me to believe there should be a three
to three and a half point adjustment from what the
look ahead was with Arizona. So Arizona getting nine and
a half and just wait because it we'll get to ten.
And the fact that C. J. Stroud in his career
has never laid this kind of number. I'm sorry that
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offense doesn't deserve to be a ten point favorite over anybody.
Pres I'll take the points.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, I get it. I'm with you, brother, CBB Joe.
Before we get into college basketball rundown, let's talk about
this Jacksonville State game. They're playing Houston. And before let's leave,
let's leave a gap.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Okay, we are going to give all of.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
You people five seconds to think about what the line
in the Houston Jacksonville State game is before we tell
you it.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Go ahead, Joe, all right, pras well, you're not joking
in this thing, because it is ugly. The Jacksonville Jacksonville
State Tigers are now I believe, the latest, a forty
and a half point underdog two the University of Houston.
Now we are talking about a terrible Jacksonville State team
that I believe has already lost four games this season.
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By at least thirty five points. But listen, this is
not the same old, same old Houston, at least defensively here.
And most of those games that they lost were against
teams that play much faster tempo than what Houston is
going to Usually those games land somewhere in the seventy
six seventy seven possession mark. You're not gonna get that
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with Houston here. Now. They are the number six I
think defensive ranked thanks to ken Pom efficiency in the country.
But the total is one thirty five, one thirty five
and a half and you're asking them to win in
a lower possession game by over forty and a half points. Now,
having said that, I'd rather play the total, though, I'd
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rather play the under one thirty five and a half
because if they are going to cover this game, I
don't think Jacksonville State gets to fifty points. It's a
big ask, but I think the value is more on
the under in this one. And I'll give you another
game coming up here today, Charleston take it on South Florida.
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I think South Florida is one of these teams this year,
guys that is going to have really really big home
and away splits here. I think they are going to
be much better at home than they are going to
be on the road. You just saw that with that
win over Utah State last week. And this line is
right kind of where that line was. I think this
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isn't the same old, same old Charleston team. They are
going through a lot of turnover and they are playing
much slower than they used to here. I definitely think
South Florida laying two touchdowns thirteen thirteen and a half
back then when they are home, Pres, they are going
to be a solid bet all season long.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Joe, let's go four NHL games two minutes to do
them all. Rangers on the road playing Chicago Rangers have
been really good on the road of late Joe. They
won three of the last four. This Chicago team coming
back from a four game road trip, I really like
to bet hockey teams coming back from a big road trip.
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I don't know what it is. And I spoke to
Matthew Barnaby about this a lot, and what he was
saying is, Hey, Pres, we know we're men. We go out,
you know, we go fun, We drink, we pond, we
play video games, we laugh, we enjoy each other. And
then we come home and have to deal with estrogen.
Who wouldn't be in a bad mood for one day.
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So that explains that we're gonna take the New York
Rangers Joe Detroit playing Calgary tonight six and a half.
At some of the books draftings especially, always can count
on them for a half. I like the under in
this game. I know Calgary and Buffalo played eleven goals
in their last game, and Calgary finally put up some.
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This is a team that's gonna play to the under
all year long. Anytime there's a six and a half.
I don't care who they're playing, We're taking the under.
I like the over in the Florida Utah game Joe
five and a half at the two Big Boys six
everywhere else. Look, it's just one of those spots where
I think Utah is gonna score and Florida has been
putting up three or more lately. And the Kings in Seattle.
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I like the Kings here Joe minus one forty. This
is a good bet other than that big card tomorrow.
Just take the under in every Toronto Maple Leaf game.
I've been riding that for a while.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Is that all for Toronto Press. Is it is the
is it that era over? Or then they know the time.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I'll tell you something Joe yesterday and Wager talked today.
I was asked if Toronto minus one fifteen to make
the playoffs was a good bet, and I think it is.
I actually think that Toronto is better suited for a
long playoff run now than they were prior. They're not
better suited to winning the league during the regular season.
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So it's an interesting dynamic. Right this is a team
that's transitioning to a defensive team. Uh and right now
they're playing without either of their goaltenders. So no, I
don't do I think they're going to win the cop No,
I don't, But I do think it minus one fifteen
to make the playoffs. I think that's an unbelievable bet.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
All right, So I was wondering if you're sticking to
fok of them or are we thinking maybe there's still
a little something and left there?
Speaker 1 (45:01):
What are your thoughts on And I know you cheer
it with the Panthers. I mean they're basically the same situation.
Right now. We're missing our two goalies. You're missing your
two stars.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I think experience matters in a long season, and I
think ultimately now is not the time to stick a
fork in any of those types of teams. I would
wait until after the after the calendar turns and everyone
gets a little healthier, we'll have a better idea of
who's what I think.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I agree with you. NBA rundown, Joe, what do you got?
Speaker 2 (45:31):
All right?
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Pras?
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Only two more games here tonight. NBA Cup Time. It's
gonna starts with the first game, and that's gonna be
the Phoenix Suns. The feisty Phoenix Suns, who, by the way,
we just cashed a ticket with our clients taking those
points against Minnesota Timberwolves the other night. Good news for
the Suns. By the way, they may very well have
Devin Booker back for this game. Looks like he's gonna
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be questionable or at least a game time decision. That's
the good news. The bad news is they're taking all
on the friggin OKC thunder who to this point have
only lost one game. That's it, one game. In fact,
they've won twelve of their last fifteen games by ten
points or more. Here so I told you last night.
Usually in these kinds of NBA Cup games, You're going
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to tend to get a little more defense. This isn't
gonna be just a regular Tuesday Wednesday night game. They
are gonna bring some defense here. I think we're gonna
play at a little slower pace. Wouldn't shock me if
the under hits here, But if Devin Booker goes, I
think this one is going to be a little bit
closer than maybe the market things I told you earlier
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with the Spurs and the Lakers. This second game, I
don't get the lie seven seven and a half. This
was six and a half at the open. It's been
nothing but Laker money all day long. The Lakers won
the first meeting between these two teams one eighteen to
one sixteen. That was a month ago, and of course
Luca had thirty five, nine and thirteen in that game.
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There was no I believe Austin Reeves or Lebron James
in that one. You'll have Lebron here, you'll have Reeves.
But again, this feels like a big number to me
to lay the seven and a half we talked about
in a three team parlay of the day. Just take
the Lakers on a money line if you want to
be safe. But I would also tend to think we
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might be getting points. The NBA's worst three point defensive team.
That would be the Lakers. The team without web Iyama
hitting threes from all over the place, that would be
San Antonio. I think an over might be in play
here tonight at the Crypto dot Com.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Arena, Joe our mailbag section of the show. Before we
get into that real quick, I want to tell you
guys again, I am not here Thursday and Friday. Brian
Power will be in my seat. I will be back
on a Monday. Joe, the genie lover rights. What is
the early line on Dion Sanders becoming the next Brown's
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head coach? I say it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
No way, not gonna happen. No, not gonna happen. I
don't think Dion wants anything to do with NFL players.
I think Dion loves much better being the king of
his own little castle there in Colorado. And quite honestly,
I mean he's got some health issues, Prez. He's had
health issues for a while now. I don't know that
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the stress and aggravation of the NFL is something he
wants to deal with. So I wouldn't bank anything as possible.
It is the Browns after all, and they do have
Deshaun Watson coming back, so I don't know. Uh, pez
it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Denzel Bolden writes, because yesterday, yesterday said the Titans are
a bent on team and the Browns aren't.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
He laughed at me.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
He thought that was funny, and then I pointed out
that they just played each other in Cleveland of the
Titans won one. Yeah, so thanks for that. Green Bay
is favorite for a reason. Denver hasn't beaten anyone that's
from the valley. And yes, Joe agrees. Yep, Bill Wrights,
I'm a client and was just trolling Joe. You guys
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are the greatest. The public service announcement on Monday by
the press should be sent to the Smithsonian.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Ooh along with the press. Yeah, you should both go.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah for ancient handicappers. H Joe, one of our listeners
has told you that the Miami Heat are on a
time out and you should no longer be betting them.
This is from your loan officer, your actual loan officer. Joe.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Well, listen, loan officer. I'm tending I tend to agree
with you. I had to heat last night, but I
did give you guys the undergar on the show, so
I hope you you jumped on that they were up
fifteen nothing to start that game press, and then Tyler
hero just couldn't hit water if he fell out of
a boat. But I agree with you for now. The
highmiheater on the hell No list along is Edmonton still
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on that hell No last Press.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
I'm not gonna go there, Joe. Okay, I'm gonna stick
to my guns. Bro, I'm going to stick to the plan.
Listen our last the last one I wanted to mention,
and this is a perfect way to end the show.
JK writes, if you get Debbie to make an appearance,
you better have her under the total press. I think
he meant under the table.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
Close y, Joe.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
I this is a This is a message to Debbie head. Debbie.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
I'm gonna get off the screen for this day. Debbie.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
I want to know what you think given that we
used you to run a week of humor. I know
you commented yesyesterday on someone's post, so I know you're
listening to our show. I'm very appreciative of you, and
I'm all men are appreciative of your last name. And
I'm curious what you think about the stick that we
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have been running for the last week. And thank you,
Debbie had Okay, that's that's all I got, dude.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Uh, thank you Debbie. We appreciate you. Listen.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, we need new material. Okay, see you on Monday.
Joe Briant, Power and Art will be back tomorrow. Later everyone,
The Cleveland Browns playing the Bears, the Colts and the
Sea Hawks, the Panthers and the Saints. Those are three games.
Art the Caesar is gonna tell us how to bet.
You can hear them laughing in the background. That's Tuesday
mocked that up, Art the Redskins. Your laughter when I
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said that, Oh class, we are not editing. This show
is part of the lore. Part of the lore of
the show known as the best betting show ever, Art
the Caesar with us, Joe and Airy. I might have
a little bit of dementia setting and or I did
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that purposely? Who knows?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Did I do it purposely?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
No chance?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
No, Redskins, Giants, Packers, Broncos, Lines, Ran, Raiders, Eagles. Oh my,
all right, let's start right there, bro, Redskins and the Giants.
This is a game that everyone is interested in. Tell
us how are are people betting it?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Well?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah, you get to this point of the season, right Prez,
where there are games that really don't mean much in
the standings, but are gonna still have interest with betters.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
You know, Giants were one and a half point home favorite.
They've now ticked up the two.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
The real move here Sharp wise was over money forty
five and a half.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
We're now forty seven to the over in that game.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
A game that we briefly touched on yesterday, Packers at Broncos.
We opened Packers one and a half. It's now two
and a half. That was sharp money. Totals gone up
from forty one and a half to forty three and
a half for us. That was not sharp money. That's
just us moving with the market. Little bit of bets
here and there on the over, but nothing that it
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was like, Oh it's sharp, we really got to move.
We're just kind of catching up with the market on
that number. At Rams, this is a excellent game. And
you know, we open Rams four and a half. Sharp's
played four and a half and they laid five and
a half. We're now six on the RAMS. I think
the Rams are also gonna be very popular in the
money line parlays and the teasers. Obviously, the total has
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seen a big jump total of fifty two and a
half on an opener. We're now fifty five on that game.
How high do we get? Is this the top of
the market. This is something we always talk about with
these games. This is obviously a game that probably should
see a lot of points, So no shock that it's
one of the highest totals, if not the highest total
we've seen on the board all year. And the Raiders
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Eagles now before the Monday night game, you know, Eagles
were twelve and a half thirteen on our look ahead.
After the Monday night game, they've been downgraded a little bit.
We reopened Philly ten and a half, totals dropped from
thirty eight and a half to thirty seven and a
half off sharp money.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So kind of a unique situation, sweet art, right, I mean,
we got a couple of ten win teams that are
getting points, Like, how does that happen? Here? Are we
anticipating and I'm wondering our games like this? Is there
a clear public you know, pros versus Joe's line drawn
in the sand with the public's like, how how is
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Denver getting points at home with ten wins? How are
the Patriots or is it? Is it pretty much everyone
in agreement here that Denver they're waiting for the shoe
to drop, and it's probably coming.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I think the Denver shoe, as far as the betters go,
they've been waiting. It's almost like the Bears they were
waiting for the Bears for the shoe to drop there. Now,
you know, depending on what you got that number at
last week, you could have pushed it with the Bears
because there were plenty of sevens out there.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
But Denver is in that unique situation. And we talked
about this yesterday.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Green Bay not only public, but green Bay very popular
with sharps. Denver not popular with the public and not
popular with sharps. That's why you've seen that. And you
know green Bay and Buffalo and well, you know, we'll
touch on the Buffalo game later in the week, but
that's another one where they're now a favorite. It was
basically pick now they're minus one, minus one and a
half Buffalo being favored over New England that I don't
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want to say New England is not public or not sharp.
They're definitely more so on the better's minds than Denver.
But Buffalo falls into the same category almost like Green Bay,
where the public loves to load up on Buffalo. So
it's no shock that those teams are favored the way
they are.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
You know, art to me and listen, I want to
remain inside of this pocket or SEC talk NFL. I'm
not around tomorrow or Friday, Brian Power hosting. I honestly,
I mean here I sit feeling like the KC Chargers
line is the most wrong or the wrongest, or the
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line that stands out as the strangest of all, and
yet I can't seem to pull the trigger on the Chargers.
That's the most shocking line to me.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I don't disagree, But that also goes back to the
public still loves Kansas City. I don't know why. I
don't now they've shoved Kansas City down our throats for
the last five years. They're always on prime time. We
know all the players, we know the coach, we know everything,
and the Chargers are a little boring. Quarterbacks hurt, coachesn't likeable.
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There's like a lot of things about the Chargers where
people don't want to bet the Chargers, but they still
are like, oh no, well, if the Chiefs went out,
they got a shot.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I'm with you, Prez. How could you lay over a
field goal.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Right now in a division game? I know it's at
home with the Chiefs. I just don't get it.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I mean, how sorry, Joe, And I'll ask you this question,
how much better is Houston than the Chargers that Houston
can be plus three and a half three, go into
KC and beat them and the Chargers can't.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I A lot of this, I think still has to
do with the idea that the excuse with the Chiefs
will continue as long as there is an excuse or
people perceive there be an excuse, in this case, the
decimated offensive line. If there is any hope that those
guys are coming back this week, and we already know
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the backups to the backups are hurt on the Chargers
offensive line, you're gonna get a lot of cheat. People
are gonna look for a reason and be like, oh,
that's why they sucked. So yeah, no, they're gonna be
better now. And I don't know how that's not gonna
change overnight or in one season either. It feels like
as long as Kansas City has my homes and Andy
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Reid and people are gonna be like, yeah, no, this
is just temporary, they're gonna flip. They're doing the same
crap with the Eagles art. I mean, everyone keeps thinking
in week fourteen or fifteen, they're gonna flip a switch
and the offense is gonna be fixed.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
It's not yeap Artle, let's stay in the NFL real quick, guys,
hit that like button. If you don't mind subscribe to
our channel. Make sure to comment. We got so much
show ahead of us. Our parlay of the day, we're
going to do fade or not. The top teams in
each division in the NFL. We got our NFL bests,
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college basketball, and the rundowns. At the end of the show, Art,
I'm gonna throw some games at you. Eighty nine percent
of the money looks like it's coming in on Houston,
eighty eight percent on Philadelphia. We got a ton of
money on the over in the Baltimore game, a ton
of money on the over in the Washington Giants game.
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You're ready alluded to that, a ton of money on
the under in the Indianapolis Seattle game, and a whole
bunch of people running to the window to bet the
San Francisco forty nine ers. Anything you want to discuss
in any of those games, anything stand out there.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Well before you do that, Art, I'm glad you brought
up the percentages there, Prez, because I heard I was
talking to somebody yesterday and they were telling me that
I guess through the first fourteen weeks. Teams that have
been getting at least sixty percent of the tickets are
getting their ass handed to thirty seven percent through forty weeks.
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So the teams that are like, I'm just trend off
and off, trend off fifty and eighty four against the
number are through thirteen weeks. Anybody getting sixty percent or
more of the tickets. I mean, my goodness, that's got
that's just your guys are cleaning house on those games.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, it's funny with those ticket counts. I always want
to let people know you could book a game and
you can have let's just use a round number. You
get one hundred tickets on a team, but it could
be all public tickets, right, you know, you could have
five tickets on the other side, but they're from your
five sharpest accounts, So it's sometimes a little those could
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be misleading, you know. And I'm pres just to touch
on one that you hit that top one. The Houston
money we had talked about yesterday, where Arizona is a
complete fade now and you know Houston at nine and
a half, going to tag going to ten and a half,
just going through the roof here, I mean, there's gonna
be no, No one's gonna run in the window to
bet Arizona. So there are some games where it does align,
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but I think a lot of times you gotta remember
the respected accounts are going to be minis school compared
to the public accounts. So you could get so many
games where the public just lines up on one team
and it's like, oh, look, how skewed this is.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
So you know, always keep at art.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Listen, I just real quick. Baltimore, we ought money coming
in on the over. That makes sense, but man, people
are betting Baltimore, right. Is there gonna be a three
on tap?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah? I mean I could see it.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Baltimore is another team that still late in the season,
the betters don't want to quit better still feel oh well,
they're gonna find their legs, they're gonna figure it out.
And Baltimore falls under that category as one of those teams,
like Joe said, like in Eagles, like the Chiefs, like
we discussed, the betters almost feel like they're getting a
discount on this, so let's load up on these low
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numbers and maybe we're ahead of the move.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
By the way, Stroud has what three years now, he's
been a league I think he has started forty six
or forty seven games. Want to take a guess, is
the biggest favorite he's ever been?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Minus nine and a half.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That's eight was his previous high against Tennessee. I think
Land better. He is never as a starting quarterback in
the NFL late this kind of number, I don't know.
Does that give you a pause? Pres I mean that
offense at Houston is so.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I spoke about this game Joe on the NFL Presidential Address,
which guys, that's up now live Where did you talk?
Dot TV? Check it out. It's about eighteen minutes long.
I take a part every game, and you know, I
was trying to figure out how do you bet this game?
And I kind of made the analogy to the Philadelphia
Las Vegas game, because here we have we've lost Joe,
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but you know, the show.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Is still going. But that's all right.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Here we have a scenario where two teams double digit favorites,
neither of them can score. How do you attack a
game like that? You know, I came up with the
under team total or Arizona and the under team total
a LATAs Vegas. That's sort of how I tackled those
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two games. I just didn't know how else to look
at it. I certainly can't take Arizona and basically the
way I said, okay, you know, can you see a
twenty to three game here, or you know, seventeen to
nine game and all of that sort of gets me
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to under and I would say those scores are I say,
what happens in Arizona and Houston, give or take, will
happen in Hiladelpa, Las Vegas. It's it's it's it's.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Just unless it's defensive or special teams as Yeah, at
which points that's it? You can't down on that. There's
too much variance. Are one final one here? What I
had this conversation this morning. I'm still trying to figure
out how anybody has a line on this Seattle Indie
game when we're not even sure who the hell the
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quarterback is going to be for the Colts. It doesn't
sound like Riley is going to go in this game.
The only other quarterback they have on in the organization
is Ripping And now they've signed of course, you know,
forty four year old grandpa Philip Rivers. Does this If
they announced that Rivers is going against Seattle, does this
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line go up does it go down? What about ripping?
I mean, what happened. I don't even know how. We're
at thirteen and a half and we have no idea
who's going to be under center.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah, I mean, you know, as I talked about yesterday,
we open eleven on them. You know, we've had this
conversation before. In the old days, you guys know this.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
You could keep a game off the board till game day.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, yeah, you could and nobody.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Nobody would say anything, Nobody would call you out. There
was no social media, there was no you guys or cowards.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Put a lineup. You could do it and it was respected.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
It was it was do you want to wait till
Sunday morning to put a lineup? That's fine, you can't
do that in this age. You have to put up
which is crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Like with you, where does that line go with?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It's not about the fact that he's forty four, Joe.
He's done when he was thirty nine. Yeah, I mean,
he's really bad.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
He was.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
But to answer your question, Joe, I think the perception
of having a who's basically been on the couch for
five years coaching its kids hasn't played as forty four
years old. He goes in that line clearly goes up
over fourteen past obviously at has to and I don't
know will there be back at some point?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Will there be blood?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Better be the betters will look at it lowish total,
they'll just run and try to play defense.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I mean you might, but you have to go over.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I got a bet. I got a bet Philip rivers
over half a yard rushing.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
He could he could get tackled going forward and get
two yards though. So that's that's a rough one there.
I'm gonna be fascinated because Ripping. I think the same thing.
If it's if Ripping gets an half and this is
his ninth team in the NFL and in like five years,
like it's going to four, it's going So do you
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grab it now? Do you lay to thirteen and a
half now at Seattle? Because it feels like anybody who
they this thing is going to be fourteen fifteen, sixteen points?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Yeah, I mean probably, Like I said, you already missed
a good number of you know, we opened eleven or
eleven Monday morning, you know, and obviously saw sharp accounts
say hey, this thing's gonna balloon, because I mean, even
if it was Riley Leonard.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I mean we've Ridley Leonard was hurt until we found
out about Rivers. So you made eleven based upon Leonard
being the started quarterback.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
This is gonna be an This is even going to
be the greatest story in the history of the NFL.
Or It's gonna be the biggest train wreck. I can't
wait to see.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
It on fam minus eight hundred train wreck. It is art.
The Seeds are joining us from the West Gate, Joveniria,
Lawrence Pressman, this is the best betting show ever. Stay
with us all the way to the end. We got
lots more our parlay of the day that we went yesterday,
I think I won my leg No, we did.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
To be honest with you, pres it was the rare
time we all lost.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I lose my legs.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It was.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Rare time.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well, I don't even remember what I put out and
people are like, how do you how do you not
know this? Press? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no I did. No,
I did put out Edmonton as a client player, which.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
He had the under and the stars.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yes, yes, four three almost.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
With still rare time.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Okay, well I'm going with the over in the Florida
Panthers game. Do I see it five and a half
out there?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Of course at the two books, we could always count
on over five and a half of me. Uh Florida,
Utah Art.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
This team is undefeated in college basketball, and overnight they
were a slight dog. Now they're a slight favorite at home.
Wisconsin can be tricky. But give me the Nebraska at
home money.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Line, Joseph, You know a part of me really wants
I don't know why the money is pouring in on
the Lakers now up to seven and a half.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
In Swans here, but I mean, all right, I'll buy it.
I'll take the Lakers on the money line. But every
part of me wants to take the points in San
Antonio here tonight. But I'll take the Lakers to advance
at home on the money line.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Okay, parlay of the day in the bag, It's time
for fade or not made. We're gonna go through the
top teams in each division. We're gonna start with the
New England Patriots. They have Buffalo at home this week,
then they are on the road playing Baltimore that Jets,
and they end at home against Miami. I think they're
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a fade team. Now, I'm not gonna tell you that
they're not a good team. I just think that they're
overvalued in the market and I think they will regress
and I'm looking to bet against them. The Sunday Art.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, I'm with you, President. I think the line is telling.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I think a team who's said the type of year
they've had eleven and two obviously a reflection of the
schedule of Buffalo now being a favorite and should be
a favorite in the game. I definitely like Buffalo in
the game this week, but I think New England moving
forward with some of those teams Baltimore, who I don't
think that's you know, their team.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
You can kind of go against the Jets.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I know the Dolphins will played better, but New England
will get back on track.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
But not this week, Joseph.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
They're part of a handful of teams that you know,
you can only play the teams that are on your schedule.
I get it, but at some point, you know, and
I think it starts with New England this week. I
think it starts with Denver. Yeah, you know you're gonna
have to do it against much better competition than what
you've been doing it against. On a consistent basis. So
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for now it's a holding pattern for me because it's
been that kind of screw in the AFC pens where
you don't know, you just I think it's still anybody's
game in the AFC. But I think we're gonna learn
a lot over the next couple of weeks. And those
those great ten win teams but have played absolutely nobody.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
The Steelers, they're playing Miami at home on Monday Night,
then they're on the road playing the Lions, the Browns,
and they end hosting the Ravens. I am fading them
in all four games.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Art, Wow, you and I aligned the same way here, Prez,
especially on Monday night.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
They cannot be laying over threes. A Dolphine team has played.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
So much better, you know, I know the Dolphins aren't great,
but you're gonna give me three and a half.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I'll take Miami all day.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
And then Joe, guys, Tomlin is twenty two and five
on Monday night. Like every time we try to stick
a fork in Tomlin they end up. It just drives
me absolutely lazy here, you know, not to mention they're
eleven and one straight up at home in Pittsburgh and
it will be colder than it wasn't met live for Miami,
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so we expected to go into what you know, teams
with some wind and no and not to mention chan
Is still I don't know if he's going or not.
Nobody seems to know if he's. If they can't run
the ball, they're not winning that game. They're likely not whinning.
They're not covering either. So Pittsburgh picked your spots, namely
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when well, I don't know, especially when everyone wants to
stick a fork and Tomlin and to say that the
season is over, that's probably when you want to bet him.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, and that's their point, Joe. Let's talk about the Giants.
The Jags. They're a double digit favorite minus twelve and
a half hosting the Jets. Then they're on the road
playing the Broncos, the Colts, and they end with the Titans.
I think this team might be a bet on team.
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I don't think I'm gonna get to the window though
against the New York Jets, but why not? I mean
who I think Philip Rivers is starting with the Jets
this week.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Richard Todd. Richard Todd, I think they signed Neil O'Donnell.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yeah, President Listen, the Jags are one of those. For me,
it's they're just kind of a stay away because, I
mean against the Jets so inconsistent. Who knows give him
credit there right in the playoff mix here, maybe can
win the division, but I would say far away from
this jetsam especially this week.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I can't lay almost two touchdowns, Joe.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
It's funny, press I said the biggest spread for CJ.
Stroud was eight prior to this game against Arizona. This
will be the biggest spread Tremor Lawrence in his career
has ever laid. He has never been a double digit
favorite like he is against the Jets or a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I think Fabio has laid a lot of spreads, Joe.
I just said, I.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Don't know that he's getting to get a lot of
too spreads in Jacksonville. Yeah he is.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Okay, So let's talk Broncos, Joe. I know you're gonna
fade them.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'll tell you now. We like this team is only
going to get better. I don't know what it is.
They got a great coach, they seem to be able
to get it done. And I mean this Sunday, the
Packers are an overrated team. I don't know. I'm interested
in Denver Art.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, I'm not. They fall into new like the New
England class.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
For me.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I got to see them beat a really really good team.
All their games seem to be tight. The fact that
I'm getting green Bay under a field goal, I know
it's on the road until you can look at the
money line of green Bay.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I like green Bay in the game. I don't think
Denver is a player, Joseph.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
You know, Denver at home I think is one thing.
Denver on the road continues to be a fade. But
I've got to look at the number press because this
was interesting with bo Nicks being a dog here at home.
You know, for all his faults, he doesn't get blown out.
I believe his six point teaser record is like twenty
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six and three. It's some unbelievable number where yeah they
may not you know, but they cover in a big
way with them on a six point teaser might not
be the way to look at home with him getting
what one one and a half, now.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Know, there's still two and a halfs out ane and
a half, so I'm definitely going to be putting them
in a teaser as well. And I think, look, I
know it's not a long teaser, but doesn't Denver and
the Chargers sound like a decent teaser bet to you, guys.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
It's not terrible, it's not terrible. It's not terrible. But
if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I mean, I
think Denver getting eight and a half at home not
a bad look.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
The Eagles are fascinating here, guys, because I think I've
isolated a way to bet them. And I'll tell you
that in a sec they are hosting the Raiders on
the road, playing the Commodores. Lionel Richie will be the lead.
Then they're in Buffalo and they end with the Commodores. Again.
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I don't think Lionel makes that last one.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Though.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
This is a team that does not need to win
out and I think the message that Philadelphia needs to
send here is we can throw the ball. I think
their team total over interests me.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Art oh Man, you know, in all those games except
for the Buffalo game, they'll be nice size favorites. Obviously
a big favorite this week against the Raiders. Obviously for me,
I can't lay big numbers with them. Think there's value
on unders in their games because they're off their and
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their d is really good. So and you know they
went to overtime this week and they under still hit.
So I think there's still some value on their unders.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Joe, like running into a brick house, Press, I don't
think I think that is absolutely that is absolutely the
best way to look at it. Press. I agree with
you one hundred percent. Listen, even if if you're gonna
win games, forget about cover. You're gonna win games, you
gotta score points, right, And I think that's how you
correlate with Philadelphia. If you think they're gonna win some games,
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they're going over their team total. If you think, then
go And it happened again against the Chargers. I think
that team total close twenty and a half. I had
them at twenty one and a half and it's still
they still didn't get there, so and they lost. I
think that correlates.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I feel like I feel like this is a team
that if they can stretch the field in the next
four games and show the teams are going to face
in the playoffs that they are not one dimensional, it
might open up that running game. And if it does,
that defense is good enough to win the Super Bowl.
I'll tell you that right now. So this team has
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to find a way to scare the other defenses. So yeah,
that's sort of how I'm looking at it now. The
Packers have the Broncos this week, the Bears next week,
the Ravens the week after, and they end in Minnesota,
and I promise you Minnesota will want to beat them.
This is not the easiest schedule out there. I know, Art,
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you like this backer team and are looking to bet
the moving forward. I'm not. I'm interested in the unders though,
all right.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, I mean I like Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
You know, the quarterbacks still worris me a little bit,
but I like the coach. I like the defense. They
can run the ball, So I still like Green Bay
in spots.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Joe two bets. You always want to make president. You're
a big parlay guy right in the NFL. All right, well,
here's a trend off for you. Trendof tad off. That's right.
Matt Lafleur twenty one and four straight up in a
month of December. Sean McVeigh twenty seven and eleven straight
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up in the month of December. Bet these guys on
the money line Press in the month of December. Those
teams forget about the spreads. They win games in December
when it matters, and they've been doing it for a while.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Now.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well, we're going to talk about the Rams shortly, but
the Bucks and the Panthers will do them together. I
won't give you their schedule. I like the Bucks this Thursday.
I feel like the New Orleans Gate New Orleans game
was what I call a bottom out game, if you will.
I think the Bucks are a bet on team moving forward,
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and I think Panthers are a fade art.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
The Bucks gotta get their guys back healthy. This has
been a theme with them all year. It feels like
they deal with a million injuries. But obviously on the
short week, it's a really bad Atlanta team. You have
to like Tampa on Thursday night football. I mean, that's
the only way to look.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Who were the Panthers playing this week?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
The Panthers are playing a chip team at Saints. Yeah,
who's the favorite? Panthers minus two and a half if
I recall, yep, minus two and a half.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Okay, trend off the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Tread off.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
The Panthers have not won or covered the spread in
the game that they have been favorite since September one,
four years ago. They've lost eleven straight straight up and
against the number as a favorite. This is the longest
streak since nineteen I think the merger they said since
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nineteen seventy they can't win. They are dead in the
water as a favorite. But maybe that changes now.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It's not gonna hold true forever, Joe.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
That's what I mean, but it's hell true for for.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean what that said. Let's let's let's take that
with a grain of salt. How many times were they
favored in the last four years?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Eleven?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Eleven? Yeah, in Quebec they call that awns. It's my
favorite number in French awns. It just sounds good, awns on.
That's eleven in French. Okay, Rams and Seahawks, oh man,
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I'm not betting the Rams this week. They're so good though,
and the Seahawks, I'll bet them. I think both teams
are a bet on team moving forward. I think both
teams are awesome. I'm looking to bet on Seattle this week,
not the Rams.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Art.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I'm with you, Press.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
I think both teams are awesome, but to me, the
the two best teams in the conference.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I can't wait. I can't wait till they play. I
know we've talked forever about their future stuff. You know
it's probably too late on both these teams, but maybe
now's the time to start looking at future stuff conference,
you know, super Bowl, all that type of stuff, because
the numbers are only going to go.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Down Thursday, December eighteenth. Joe, I'm not going to say
or that's when they play. Yeah, I'm just saying that's
when they play. Oh, okay, you get to say, Joe.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I was just giving you a little color Oh I
like the color press. Let me let me just say this.
This Sunday is when the Detroit Lion season ends. I
am betting the Rams. I think the Rams absolutely let
everybody know and make a statement of who the best
team in the NFC is. And sorry, can't keep giving
(30:59):
up third points a game, Detroit and expect anybody to
take you seriously. I think the Rams destroyed them. Wow,
look at the book, Look at the Dams. I mean,
it's been no man's land from the open five you
said five and a half sick. Yeah, that's no man's land.
And yet it's not going the other way. The public
(31:20):
will want Detroit. They think it's too many points, but no.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yeah, well and laid la early, so you know that's
why we've moved. Yeah to that, you know, to that six.
Not that six is key, but we're starting to trend
to key numbers.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Well right now over in odds launching across all the
sports books, it looks like ninety two percent of the
tickets on the over, seventy two percent on the money,
sixty six percent on the rams, ninety percent of the
money on the rams the rams. So and yet we've
(31:56):
gone from six to five and a half. Interesting, that
was a great segment.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
We didn't I opened as low as four and a
half five, so we know, yeah, we've seen nothing but
all we've seen. Yeah, you were born.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Right now. You can get a six at or one
one and a four and a half heavily juiced at
penny ur and a half, not heavily juiced. Oh that
was the open. Yeah, okay, great breaking segment. Man, I
love it. I love Wednesdays Art. Thanks for doing this, man.
What's going on over at the Westgate? Anything to promote?
Speaker 4 (32:34):
No, not much, pres listen, man, enjoy your trip. Obviously,
Joe myself and Brian will hold down the ford here
the rest of the week, and you know, obviously I'll
see you next week.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, I'll be back for the Monday show. Art deseaser.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Everyone.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Thanks for doing this, Joe. We got lots to talk
about you, and I still have to give out our
NFL best bet, you got the college basketball best bets,
and then the NHL and NBA rundown. Plus let always
we will end with our mailbag segment. Before we get
into any of that, It's time for some business, Joe.
I got a big, big, big couple of bets in
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Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, let's get into some n AL best bets. I
got one for you, Joe, and this is likely going
to be a client play again, feel charitable. I know
this is as square as it can be. But you
know what, Joe square plays win too. We're going with
the over in the La Detroit game. And let me
(37:35):
bottom line this. There was seventy four points scored in
the last Detroit game, the one Dallas played forty four
to thirty Detroit victory. There were fifty five points scored
in the Green Bay game that would have pushed. There
was sixty one point scored when they played the New
(37:57):
York Giants, there was six. The six points scored when
they played Washington fifty five is Child's played for this
Detroit Lions team. And when you look at the rams,
they just put forty four up on Arizona, twenty eight
on Carolina, thirty more on Tapa Bay, forty two on
SAT Brand.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
This team has.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Gone over thirty or over thirty four four times in
their last six games. That is unheard of. And yes
they have a good defense, they're not holding Detroit down
fifty five, thirty one, twenty eight, thirty one, twenty seven,
thirty one, twenty five, thirty or twenty eight. They all
(38:42):
go over. Joe, what do you like?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Pres We talked about this game a little bit earlier,
and I'm sorry, I mean, listen, the look aheadline for
the Houston Texans was six to six and a half
and they go to Arrowhead and come away with a win.
You know, I'm still scratching my head about the whole
fourth down going for it on their own thirty one.
(39:07):
But nothing that I saw in that game against Kansas
City leads me to believe there should be a three
to three and a half point adjustment from what the
look ahead was with Arizona. So Arizona getting nine and
a half and just wait because it we'll get to ten.
And the fact that C. J. Stroud in his career
has never laid this kind of number. I'm sorry that
(39:28):
offense doesn't deserve to be a ten point favorite over anybody.
Pres I'll take the points.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, I get it. I'm with you, brother, CBB Joe.
Before we get into college basketball rundown, let's talk about
this Jacksonville State game. They're playing Houston. And before let's leave,
let's leave a gap.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Okay, we are going to give all of.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
You people five seconds to think about what the line
in the Houston Jacksonville State game is before we tell
you it.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Go ahead, Joe, all right, pras well, you're not joking
in this thing, because it is ugly. The Jacksonville Jacksonville
State Tigers are now I believe, the latest, a forty
and a half point underdog two the University of Houston.
Now we are talking about a terrible Jacksonville State team
that I believe has already lost four games this season.
(40:28):
By at least thirty five points. But listen, this is
not the same old, same old Houston, at least defensively here.
And most of those games that they lost were against
teams that play much faster tempo than what Houston is
going to Usually those games land somewhere in the seventy
six seventy seven possession mark. You're not gonna get that
(40:51):
with Houston here. Now. They are the number six I
think defensive ranked thanks to ken Pom efficiency in the country.
But the total is one thirty five, one thirty five
and a half and you're asking them to win in
a lower possession game by over forty and a half points. Now,
having said that, I'd rather play the total, though, I'd
(41:13):
rather play the under one thirty five and a half
because if they are going to cover this game, I
don't think Jacksonville State gets to fifty points. It's a
big ask, but I think the value is more on
the under in this one. And I'll give you another
game coming up here today, Charleston take it on South Florida.
(41:33):
I think South Florida is one of these teams this year,
guys that is going to have really really big home
and away splits here. I think they are going to
be much better at home than they are going to
be on the road. You just saw that with that
win over Utah State last week. And this line is
right kind of where that line was. I think this
(41:56):
isn't the same old, same old Charleston team. They are
going through a lot of turnover and they are playing
much slower than they used to here. I definitely think
South Florida laying two touchdowns thirteen thirteen and a half
back then when they are home, Pres, they are going
to be a solid bet all season long.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Joe, let's go four NHL games two minutes to do
them all. Rangers on the road playing Chicago Rangers have
been really good on the road of late Joe. They
won three of the last four. This Chicago team coming
back from a four game road trip, I really like
to bet hockey teams coming back from a big road trip.
(42:40):
I don't know what it is. And I spoke to
Matthew Barnaby about this a lot, and what he was
saying is, Hey, Pres, we know we're men. We go out,
you know, we go fun, We drink, we pond, we
play video games, we laugh, we enjoy each other. And
then we come home and have to deal with estrogen.
Who wouldn't be in a bad mood for one day.
(43:01):
So that explains that we're gonna take the New York
Rangers Joe Detroit playing Calgary tonight six and a half.
At some of the books draftings especially, always can count
on them for a half. I like the under in
this game. I know Calgary and Buffalo played eleven goals
in their last game, and Calgary finally put up some.
(43:23):
This is a team that's gonna play to the under
all year long. Anytime there's a six and a half.
I don't care who they're playing, We're taking the under.
I like the over in the Florida Utah game Joe
five and a half at the two Big Boys six
everywhere else. Look, it's just one of those spots where
I think Utah is gonna score and Florida has been
putting up three or more lately. And the Kings in Seattle.
(43:46):
I like the Kings here Joe minus one forty. This
is a good bet other than that big card tomorrow.
Just take the under in every Toronto Maple Leaf game.
I've been riding that for a while.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Is that all for Toronto Press. Is it is the
is it that era over? Or then they know the time.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I'll tell you something Joe yesterday and Wager talked today.
I was asked if Toronto minus one fifteen to make
the playoffs was a good bet, and I think it is.
I actually think that Toronto is better suited for a
long playoff run now than they were prior. They're not
better suited to winning the league during the regular season.
(44:32):
So it's an interesting dynamic. Right this is a team
that's transitioning to a defensive team. Uh and right now
they're playing without either of their goaltenders. So no, I
don't do I think they're going to win the cop No,
I don't, But I do think it minus one fifteen
to make the playoffs. I think that's an unbelievable bet.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
All right, So I was wondering if you're sticking to
fok of them or are we thinking maybe there's still
a little something and left there?
Speaker 1 (45:01):
What are your thoughts on And I know you cheer
it with the Panthers. I mean they're basically the same situation.
Right now. We're missing our two goalies. You're missing your
two stars.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I think experience matters in a long season, and I
think ultimately now is not the time to stick a
fork in any of those types of teams. I would
wait until after the after the calendar turns and everyone
gets a little healthier, we'll have a better idea of
who's what I think.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I agree with you. NBA rundown, Joe, what do you got?
Speaker 2 (45:31):
All right?
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Pras?
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Only two more games here tonight. NBA Cup Time. It's
gonna starts with the first game, and that's gonna be
the Phoenix Suns. The feisty Phoenix Suns, who, by the way,
we just cashed a ticket with our clients taking those
points against Minnesota Timberwolves the other night. Good news for
the Suns. By the way, they may very well have
Devin Booker back for this game. Looks like he's gonna
(45:54):
be questionable or at least a game time decision. That's
the good news. The bad news is they're taking all
on the friggin OKC thunder who to this point have
only lost one game. That's it, one game. In fact,
they've won twelve of their last fifteen games by ten
points or more. Here so I told you last night.
Usually in these kinds of NBA Cup games, You're going
(46:18):
to tend to get a little more defense. This isn't
gonna be just a regular Tuesday Wednesday night game. They
are gonna bring some defense here. I think we're gonna
play at a little slower pace. Wouldn't shock me if
the under hits here, But if Devin Booker goes, I
think this one is going to be a little bit
closer than maybe the market things I told you earlier
(46:39):
with the Spurs and the Lakers. This second game, I
don't get the lie seven seven and a half. This
was six and a half at the open. It's been
nothing but Laker money all day long. The Lakers won
the first meeting between these two teams one eighteen to
one sixteen. That was a month ago, and of course
Luca had thirty five, nine and thirteen in that game.
(47:02):
There was no I believe Austin Reeves or Lebron James
in that one. You'll have Lebron here, you'll have Reeves.
But again, this feels like a big number to me
to lay the seven and a half we talked about
in a three team parlay of the day. Just take
the Lakers on a money line if you want to
be safe. But I would also tend to think we
(47:24):
might be getting points. The NBA's worst three point defensive team.
That would be the Lakers. The team without web Iyama
hitting threes from all over the place, that would be
San Antonio. I think an over might be in play
here tonight at the Crypto dot Com.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Arena, Joe our mailbag section of the show. Before we
get into that real quick, I want to tell you
guys again, I am not here Thursday and Friday. Brian
Power will be in my seat. I will be back
on a Monday. Joe, the genie lover rights. What is
the early line on Dion Sanders becoming the next Brown's
(48:05):
head coach? I say it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
No way, not gonna happen. No, not gonna happen. I
don't think Dion wants anything to do with NFL players.
I think Dion loves much better being the king of
his own little castle there in Colorado. And quite honestly,
I mean he's got some health issues, Prez. He's had
health issues for a while now. I don't know that
(48:29):
the stress and aggravation of the NFL is something he
wants to deal with. So I wouldn't bank anything as possible.
It is the Browns after all, and they do have
Deshaun Watson coming back, so I don't know. Uh, pez
it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Denzel Bolden writes, because yesterday, yesterday said the Titans are
a bent on team and the Browns aren't.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
He laughed at me.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
He thought that was funny, and then I pointed out
that they just played each other in Cleveland of the
Titans won one. Yeah, so thanks for that. Green Bay
is favorite for a reason. Denver hasn't beaten anyone that's
from the valley. And yes, Joe agrees. Yep, Bill Wrights,
I'm a client and was just trolling Joe. You guys
(49:18):
are the greatest. The public service announcement on Monday by
the press should be sent to the Smithsonian.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Ooh along with the press. Yeah, you should both go.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah for ancient handicappers. H Joe, one of our listeners
has told you that the Miami Heat are on a
time out and you should no longer be betting them.
This is from your loan officer, your actual loan officer. Joe.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Well, listen, loan officer. I'm tending I tend to agree
with you. I had to heat last night, but I
did give you guys the undergar on the show, so
I hope you you jumped on that they were up
fifteen nothing to start that game press, and then Tyler
hero just couldn't hit water if he fell out of
a boat. But I agree with you for now. The
highmiheater on the hell No list along is Edmonton still
(50:16):
on that hell No last Press.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
I'm not gonna go there, Joe. Okay, I'm gonna stick
to my guns. Bro, I'm going to stick to the plan.
Listen our last the last one I wanted to mention,
and this is a perfect way to end the show.
JK writes, if you get Debbie to make an appearance,
you better have her under the total press. I think
he meant under the table.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
Close y, Joe.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
I this is a This is a message to Debbie head. Debbie.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
I'm gonna get off the screen for this day. Debbie.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
I want to know what you think given that we
used you to run a week of humor. I know
you commented yesyesterday on someone's post, so I know you're
listening to our show. I'm very appreciative of you, and
I'm all men are appreciative of your last name. And
I'm curious what you think about the stick that we
(51:15):
have been running for the last week. And thank you,
Debbie had Okay, that's that's all I got, dude.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Uh, thank you Debbie. We appreciate you. Listen.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, we need new material. Okay, see you on Monday.
Joe Briant, Power and Art will be back tomorrow. Later everyone,
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