November 20, 2025 • 33 mins
On today's episode, Joe, Prez and Art discuss where money is going so far in College Football Week 13 and NFL Week 12, as well as a Thursday Night Football breakdown and best bets for college football! They also touch on NHL, CBB and NBA picks today!
00:00 INTRODUCTION
00:50 WHERE'S THE MONEY GOING NFL WK 12
02:40 WHERE'S THE MONEY GOING CFB WK 13
05:14 THURSDAY NIGHT BILLS AT TEXANS BREAKDOWN
10:38 PARLAY OF THE DAY
15:59 PREZ CFB BETS WK 13
18:05 JOE'S CFB BETS WK 13
27:15 JOE'S EARLY CFB WK 13 BET
20:15 NHL RUNDOWN
23:51 NBA RUNDOWN
25:08 CBB BIG GAME PREVIEW
26:00 MAILBAG! VIEWER QUESTIONS!
00:00 INTRODUCTION
00:50 WHERE'S THE MONEY GOING NFL WK 12
02:40 WHERE'S THE MONEY GOING CFB WK 13
05:14 THURSDAY NIGHT BILLS AT TEXANS BREAKDOWN
10:38 PARLAY OF THE DAY
15:59 PREZ CFB BETS WK 13
18:05 JOE'S CFB BETS WK 13
27:15 JOE'S EARLY CFB WK 13 BET
20:15 NHL RUNDOWN
23:51 NBA RUNDOWN
25:08 CBB BIG GAME PREVIEW
26:00 MAILBAG! VIEWER QUESTIONS!
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Transcript
Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Buffalo Bills on the road tonight playing the Houston Texans.
The Lions minus five and a half. The total is
forty three and a half. Art, Joe and I are
going to take that game apart plus a whole lot
more on the Best betting Show Ever. I'm Lawrence Presman.
Thank you for joining us. Everyone hit that like button,
subscribe to our channel and make sure to comment. Art Joe,
(00:22):
how are you guys?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Joe?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
We'll start with you first today, as you normally just
sit there and shake your head.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Good price.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Okay, there we God, I had another winning night for
my clients last night. How about you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's impressive, that's impressive. Yeah. Yeah. One our NBA games
was we're good in college and ready for a Thursday
night football game here college and NFL.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Well, let's start with where the money is going and
then we'll get into the Bills and the Texans. Art,
let's leave the Bulls in the Texans component of where
the money is going.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Later on Steelers and Bears, Vikings and pack welcome to
the show. How are those two games being bet?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So Bears right now, we're two and a half. We
took Steeler money at three total. Really has a budget
forty five, so I mean right now it's probably sixty
forty stealer to bear money vikings green Bay very interesting.
This has pretty much been six and a half from
our opener. The total is what has really gotten bet
down from forty three to forty one. We had mentioned
(01:29):
we I think all think Minnesota might be the move
here in this game. We've yet to see anyone want
to come and take a position on that, but we
know with green Bay sitting at six six and a
half in that range, they're going to be very popular
in the money lines and very popular in the teasers,
so we'll probably be big Viking fans come kick off.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You think it hard? I mean Aaron Rodgers says he
hopes to practice either today or tomorrow. They haven't ruled
him out, But what are we thinking If he's in,
are we getting any big move these out? Are we
getting any big moves?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I don't think there's a difference.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I know this is crazy, but I think now it'd
be interesting to see how the market reacts to it.
We don't think here at the West Gate in the
back room, we don't think there's a difference. Now, you know,
the market's gonna dictate that, and our sharp betters are
going to dictate what happens if he gets ruled in
or out, and we might just have to move with that,
(02:29):
But for us, we're treating them almost as equals.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
All Right, we'll get back to the bills in Texans,
but let's go into college football. Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, New
Mexico Course, and Louisville at SMU. Where's the money going
in these three games?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, pitt and Georgia Tech. Very underrated game, big game.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Georgia Tech. Mine is two and a half at home.
This has actually seen really good two way action. It's
been bouncing back and forth from two and a half
to three. Total of sixty two going to bet this
scheme over. They've already started to creep betting the over
a little bit here, So I think that's going to
shoot up. New Mexico at air Force the Sharp's League
two and a half. It's now three and a half.
(03:13):
The total has come down a little bit as well,
fifty eight and a half, fifty seven and a half.
That's kind of been shooting down. And then this Louisville
SMU game. SMU is a two and a half point.
Home favorite Sharps took three with Louisville really nothing to
speak of on the total fifty two and a half.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
It's pretty much been that all week.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I mean exactly. I think the air Force game is
air Force won't have it starting quarterback. I could still
see the money keep coming in on New Mexico. I
mean they've hit him one now through the key number three,
three and three and a half.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
One hundred percent. Initial was two and a half.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Three And listen, once we get to four four and
a half, I mean we're starting to talk dead numbers
as we always talk about. You know, we're going to
get to a point where how high can you get
on a game? Because we even look at four as
a dead number. I know there are people who don't,
but for us, when you're looking at four, four and
a half, five, five and a half, those are dead numbers.
(04:13):
College games are usually not tight. You know, it's usually
a blowout one way or the other. So you know,
so when you're booking a college game, it's way different
than when you're booking an NFL game.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Art this Caes are with us a sports book Westgate.
You're the risk advisor. Art. We got three college football
games tonight, a slate of NBA and a slate of
a college basketball in NHL. Anything we need to know
about any of those before we attack Thursday night football.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I can give you some college basketball sharp stuff I've
seen in the morning. Tennessee and Tennessee State. They've bet
that total up from one fifty two to one fifty
seven and a half. They bet Texas Tech minus nine,
minus ten. They're now eleven playing wa in the Bahamas.
And they took the under in the Indiana game under
one sixty one. We're now one fifty seven and a
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half on that game.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
There we go, let's get into it Thursday Night football,
the Bills and the Texans and uh, we're now seeing
minus five and a half pretty much across the board
according to odds Logic, sixty four percent of the tickets
written on Buffalo, seventy four percent of the money and
a ton of action coming in on the under. Is
that what you're seeing at the Westgate.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
One hundred percent. We took sharp money on six this morning.
We went to five and a half for us. We
didn't take any sharp money on the total. We just
moved with the market. We were forty four and a
half when I came in this morning, we're now forty
three and a half.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Joe, how do you attack this game?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I mean, Art here, we are back in dead numbers now, right,
so five to five and a half, it's like, okay,
so we're basically thinking it's a one, you know, a
field goal game with the situation. I don't know. I'm
still trying to come up with how we're getting forty
four or more points here. I'm having a hard time
calculating it because we talked about it yesterday. Art, this
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line would look ahead was two and a half. Three,
it doubled, but the total didn't do it. And the
total state of forty three and a half. So where
the hell are the points coming from? Having a hard
time coming up? You know, it feels like a twenty
one thirteen kind of game, and I don't think we
get anywhere near forty four points in this one.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I'm with you, and we talked yesterday how forty four
and a half felt really high. Obviously you coming this morning,
you see, okay, it's already a point lower. Does it
go any lower?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I don't really know what to think of the side either, way.
We know for us, Buffalo is going to be very
popular in moneyline parlays and teasers to start everyone's parlays
off for the weekend, so we know we'll probably need
the Texans in the game. But I'm with you, Joe,
I think the Unders the move.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, I'm not with either of you guys. I just
that you're saying that based on two things, one Houston's
defense and two Houston's.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Lack of scoring.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I'll counter that with the fact that Buffalo just put
up forty four of themselves against Tampa Bay. They've scored
twenty eight or more seven of their last ten games.
This is a team that regularly gets over thirty themselves.
They're not gonna be playing in bad weather. It's not
gonna be super windy. And I understand Houston's defense is good,
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but I mean, who's gonna hold this Buffalo team down.
Tennessee put up thirteen on Houston. Tennessee putting up thirteen
feels like Buffalo putting up fifty. Jackson will put up
twenty nine on Houston. Denver put up eighteen. That feels
like Detroit putting up seventy. To me, I know that
(07:53):
Houston's defense is good, guys, But I feel like that
that total is low. I would prefer the over, So
should we bet an eyebrow?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Listen, pres the fact that you even brought that up,
that you think six touchdowns in Orchard Park in the
weather has anything to do with this week's game. It's
got squat to do. But you know what, the market
I got news for you. They're gonna think exactly that
forty four point My god, I'm gonna drop forty four.
How are they not gonna score indoors? You know how
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they're not gonna score indoors? Josh Allen keeps turning the
damn ball over and they can't run the ball anymore.
And who's he throwing to, by the way, Zach, who
exactly is he gonna beat in that secondary? I think
it's a nightmare waiting for Happing for Buffalo here. They
might actually have a chance of losing this game outright,
which is why I think the under is the only
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way to look in this one. Even the team total.
If you want to fade Houston's team total, I get it,
even against Buffalo's defense. But nothing screams wild shootout here. Eight.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
You're right, Nothing screams wild shootout. Nobody is suggesting that
Butler puts up forty four this week.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But and a half is what's their team total?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, I didn't look. But if you if you want
me to guess a score on this game, I will guess.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I'll get it for it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, twenty seven twenty one, no too many.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Touchdowns, twenty four and a half.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I would take the I would that's a that's a
very fair number. I would not go over or under.
I think that's a very legit number. But hey, Joe,
if I was so high on the over in this game,
I wouldn't have said a word and just released it
to my clients. I prefer the over. I ain't betting
the over, so I'm taking it. You like Houston here,
(09:54):
you like Houston here? Plus the points?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, Houston team total art is twenty twenty and a
hal twenty where a lot. I would rather go under
Houston art. Give me to Houston two total under. I
don't see him scoring three times.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Agree, I agree. I agree with that, Joe. I don't
think they're getting three touchdowns either, So I agree with that.
Art anything on the side. I know you like the under, No,
I mean I guess.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
I would lean the home dog, but I don't love it.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Okay, I'd rather have the points than lay them, I agree.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Okay, there we go. That's our take on the Bills
and the Texans. So Parley of the Day did not
go well at all yesterday. Something about hockey Art.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Those oilers, man, they are and the team for the
rest of time.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I not like your leg hit anyway, but that's not
here in artist.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Hey, I didn't blame you. I said something about hockey Man.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
We are going to create a hell list here on
Parlay of the Day teams from now on. There are
going to be certain teams and antenna hell no, we
are not allowed to bet them unless we're fading them.
That's the only way we are allowed to mention.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So we're we should start every show with who's on
our hell noes? Okay, exactly. So I'm going counter intuitive here,
Toronto may believe sixteen and four to the I'm playing
the under. What is wrong with the under in the
leaf game?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
How is that over? What?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
What is the problem with the college U n LB
on the money line? Screwing it both? But there you go, guys,
I gave you an extra play the under game that
was that was a bonus. I did that purposely, O
n l V. On the money line, what do you got, Art, I'm.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Gonna give you Tennessee on the money line. I think
they go into the swamp and kick the gators.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Joe, that's impressive. I kind of like the way that's
uh that you're looking at that. Art. All right, I
am going to go since you guys are gonna make
things difficult. I think Oregon on the money line, I
think Oregon beats USC at home. Let's keep it simple.
Got to win it to be in it, right, I'll
take Oregon to win on the money line.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
There we go. Yes, we got that segment done.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Art.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You can go back to work now. I'm glad you
had a smile on your face. You enjoyed your time
with us.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Oh, be good, Art, I appreciate it. Art, thanks for
leaving me as always.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, we'll see Art. We'll see Art this season tomorrow.
Great way to start the day, Joe. I don't think
we've ever got through that Thursday College Football parlay. Correct? No,
and I would. I think it's me every time.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And you always started off with the wrong player. You
don't even pick the right sport, and I just wait
to see arts reaction, absolutely priceless. Yep, brother, it's time
for some business.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Oh no, let's get to the business speed, Joe.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I'm freaking rolling right now, brother, A nine and two
since Tuesday, that's right, I've won nine games, lost two games.
I'm rolling in every sport. I won my last two
college basketball games.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I am on.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
An eight and three NBA run. I am dominating NHL
of late, and I'm excited about my NFL. I got
a lot going right now, dude, and call tonight alone.
Thursday night, I got two NHL games, one college football,
one NFL. My NFL is a parlay bet. I got
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an NBA. I got so much going on it's ridiculous.
And this Sunday I got two nflats bets, which is
about as rare as it gets. And I know you've
got luck going on too. We've got a great promo
up and it's gonna run out, only a few more
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(14:17):
under ten dollars a day, ninety nine bucks for ten days.
You get all my plays, and I am in freaking rhythm.
With that said, Joan areas too. He's up in every
single sport going on currently right now except hockey because
he doesn't have any balls to do it. Yet you
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want to take over, Joe.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
No, I'm laughing here, bro, because it's not has nothing
to do with balls, although we've learned a lot about
your fascination with balls this week. It's time. It's literally time, yes,
but there will come a time where we'll get back
on the Panther. By the way, how the Panthers all
(15:00):
guys in barbecue accidents now? Like what in the world
will winning? And it's still like what is going on
with the Florida Panthers? Like Jesus lights some sage or
something there. Pres still got that five percent college football
max bet up and available at wager Talk. I'm just
loading up the rest of the NFL card. I got
(15:21):
a big college basketball card here tonight, and it looks
like once I can confirm here in the NBA with
one team what's going on, I will fire away now
twenty one and eight on the season in the NBA. PRES,
so yeah, we are rolling right now.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, guys, use that Bromo code. There's no code, just
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it out, Joe, let's get into it man. We're going
out to the clock. We got college football bets NHL Rundown,
Hoops Rundown, and we're gonna end the sh show with
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the mailbag segment. Joe, I got two college football bets
qu the clock and let's get straight into it.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Boom.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Temple plus eight and a half vers Tulane. This is
a classic spot where the schedule maker is handed the
home dog a massive advantage. Yes, Temple has had two
full weeks to prepare for this game. They've been sitting
at home, resting, getting out the and stewing on a
fifty two and six beat down Tulane put on them
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last year. This is a massive revenge spot with a
huge preparation edge. On the flip side, look at Tulane.
They are running on fumes. This is their third road
game in four weeks. That travel takes its toll and
it shows up on the injury reporters. They have twelve
twelve players listed as questionable. Temple is seven to three
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against the spread this year, let's not overthink it. They
win this game, their Bowl eligible. Take Temple plus eight
and a half. As for our next game, a sexy
one at that USC going into Oregon, and I like
the Oregon team total over thirty four and a half points. Yes,
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that's right, seven touchdowns get us there, and this game
screams points. Let's look at the history the last ten
meetings between these two schools, this game has produced at
least fifty four points in every single game. Eight of
those ten went over sixty. But here's why I'm isolating
Oregon specifically USC. The bottom line is, over the last
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three games, the Trojans are giving up nearly one hundred
and seventy rushing yards per game. Oregon's going to be
able to run the ball down this team's throat. The
USC front seven are simply getting pushed around. Oregon's offense
ranks number one in the entire country in yards per rush,
averaging over six a play. They are to get over
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forty in this game. Take Oregon Ducks over thirty four
and a half points. Joe, what are your two rays?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I like that, As a matter of fact, I'm betting
that right now. All right, A couple of college football plays.
I'm on this week, and yes, this team should very
well be on the hell no list, buts Florida States
is on the road taking on NC State, and the
reality is, listen, Florida State is a much better team
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than North Carolina State. They are a hot mess. North
Carolina State's defense is atrocious, but Florida State can't win
a damn game on the road, which makes them impossible
to want to back here. Even though all of my
numbers favor Florida State by close to double digits in
this game, I can't do it. I mean three road
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losses in games in which they have outplayed everybody on
the road only in losing efforts, because it's got to
be mental at this particular point in time. But what
I will do is back to over in this game here,
pez because if it's the one thing NC State can do,
it's they got a pretty good offense and they will
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be at home here. I got no problem looking at
the over in that one there. Florida State just can't
win on the road. The other games are gonna go
out west because I think this number is a little
light here with Fresno State at home taking on Utah State.
Fresno State right now playing some great football. Defensively, they're
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playing well. We know they can score, and now they've
got an opportunity here in their home finale, maybe with
a shot at a Mountain West title game. Meanwhile, Utah
State is worse than Florida State. They've lost seven straight
on the road. They got a home finale against Boise
State coming up next week. But yeah, I like the
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defense here Fresno State. I like the offense. It's rolling,
it's a kick them price. I mean Fresno minus three
right now. I think Fresno State gets it done a
big way at home there.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Prez Joe, let's keep going NHL rundown twelve fricking games
on tap. I like Toronto Joe minus won ten against Columbus.
I understand Toronto is a walking injury report, but I
think they get it done tonight, and I like the
under in that game. I prefer the under. I like
Philadelphia against Saint Louis. I think Saint Louis is a
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really bad team and one that is having just problems everywhere,
especially in the dressing room. Minus one twenty or Philadelphia
Montreal tonight minus one thirty five coming off of a
bad stretch, and Washington is in a bad spot. They're
on a travel back to back and they just played
a tough game against Edmonton. I like the New York
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Islanders as a small dog against Detroit. The New York
Islanders are a much better team than everyone anticipated, and
I like the over in that game too. The number
is six. I think we get having goals. Florida is
the bet here minus one fifty against New Jersey. You
think Florida is injured, New Jersey is a mess as well,
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and regardless about who's injured off Florida, they just seem
to get it done. Minus one fifty for the Panthers
and the over in the Edmonton Tampa Bay game, Joe look.
I normally like to bet unders in Tampa Bay, but
there is a few sixes out there, and unless Edmundson
can can find themselves a goaltender, this team can't get
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out of its own way. I gotta believe we're gonna
get seven in this one tonight. I like Vegas in Utah, Utah.
I think is obviously playing much better this year than last,
but this is a team that is on a little
bit of a negative slide, and I think Vegas is
a bet on team moving forward. Colorado just can't lose games.
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But I don't like this spot. I don't want to
bet against the Rangers here. I'm gonna actually pass on
this hockey game, Ottawa playing Anaheim. I like the Ducks
here as a small dog. San Jose playing the Kings.
I like over five and a half in this game,
and I like over six and a half in the
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Vancouver Dallas game? Who run down all yours?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Did you? Did? I hear the black Hawks cracking call there? Press?
So you didn't.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I like Chicago Chicago on the money line. The Chicago
team is doing some good stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I got to ask you, Prez. I was on the
Calshi market place the other day and they had a
really good price for Detroit to make the postseason, to
make the playoffs, I mean what they're I think they're
in the top spot right now, are they Is that
a mirage? Or are we buying Detroit getting back to
the postseason here?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
You know, you know, Joe, it's more probably how stacked
that division is. Like you have Montreal as an up
and coming team, right, Uh, so you've got Boston is
rocking and rolling. So Florida, Tampa, Bay, Detroit, Boston, Montreal,
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and I do believe Toronto, no matter how bad they start,
is going to be in the thicket things. There are
six teams right there that are all capable of making
the playoffs, and Ottawa and Buffalo, believe it or not,
are not far behind. Really well, Ottawa's missing Brady Kachuk
once he comes back. We saw what they did towards
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the end of last year. This is a team that's
much better than their record. And Buffalo is making a
little bit of noise. Everybody is kind of packed in there.
I don't know, dude, I don't know about Detroit. It's
a division.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yep, it is all right, Prez. Let's go NBA college basketball.
Start with the Clippers and the Magic. Struggling Clippers team obviously,
they've gotten a season long seven game road trip here
that they are trying to get going on. But they're
gonna take on the Orlando Magic here, second of a
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back to back for them. They had no problem winning
last night. Looks like Jalen Suggs in the lineup for Orlando.
This has got underwritten all over it. No reason to
look any other way than that. The Hawks taking on
the Spurs. No web Byama for San Antonio, but they
are dealing with a couple of other cluster injuries there
Stephen Castle and a few others, but they still have
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the Aaron Fox. Recachet should be good to go, but
he is questionable for the Hawks. I do like Atlanta
here to bounce back in this one. Sixers and the
Bucks sixers last night turn the ball over. I don't know,
nine thousand times got smoked by Toronto. Good call by you,
Prez on the Raptors there, but they will have Paul
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George and Embiid back here tonight, so I do think
a bounce back is in store. I don't know who
can bet on Sacramento or Memphis and with a straight face,
so I won't do either because they're both horrific. But
let's take a look at a couple of college basketball
games here, Prez. And of course, anytime the number one
team is in the Bahamas taken on Memphis, you got
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to talk about them. Purdue lay in what sixteen sixteen
and a half?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Did open up fourteen and a half. They're at the
Bahamar there in NASA and the Bahamas taken on Penny
Hardway and Memphis, and you want to care to guess
how many returning players Memphis has none zero, because that
is what Penny Hardaway does. In the meantime, Purdue has
one of the most experienced backcourts, which is why they're
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number one here. That trio Brandon, Smitch, Fletcher Lawyer and
Trey Kaufman Wren the best in the country. I think
this has got blowout written all over at Memphis will
take no I mean Purdue will take no prisoners tonight, Prez,
look for them to roll Memphis.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Team Joseph. Let's get to the mailbag section of the show.
T Bone Stobs writes, a few books will offer minus
one in hockey as opposed to the regulation line. Would
you ever prefer a minus one bet for overtime protection?
So basically, Joe Carmine and I have been talking about
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this for a while now, this minus one and what
it does. If you bet, you can bet a money line,
say it minus one sixty, You can bet a sixty
minute line at say even money, and then you can
bet the minus one, which would probably be around minus
one ten. Which one of those bets do you like?
The most. I hate the minus one bet. I hate
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that bet at such a high level. Now I have
not done the math and I'm actually going to do
a deep dive into the minus one, but I do
not like that bet. So many any of these games
end in one. They are three to two, four to three.
Almost every game is a one goal game, so you're
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basically constantly gonna be pushing. I'd rather you seventy percent
of all games end in regulation this year. It's only
going to get bigger. It's gonna be seventy five percent
when all said and done. I hate minus one. I
would much where you guys take the U the sixty
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minute line. Do you have any thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Pras that number you gave me last yesterday on the
show was mind numbing here given the fact that, I mean,
thirty percent of the games are going to overtime, and
where what a little over a month into the season
right now here, and we're seeing a lot of overtime,
a lot of one goal games, and we're also seeing
again goalies being polled with three minutes four minutes to go.
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I don't know what the sudden you know, pushes early
in the season. I don't know if the analytics have
changed or what teams are trying to do, but it
seems like there's a lot more desperation early in the
season here with teams, and they're willing to take more
risks than chances. I don't know how sustainable it is,
but it is absurd, Prez. What is there any value
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in laying one if every game goes to thirty percent
of the games are going to overtime and it's going
to land one one way or the other.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, all you're doing is pushing. That's your sister. Richard
writes his favorite pizza is John's Pizza in West Village
in New York. One hundred year old brick Oven shout
out to John's Pizza. Yes, I've never had it. Do
you have any this?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
No pizza, no West Village in New York now, But yeah,
one hundred year old brick Oven is there's a certain
taste to that that you're not getting. That you're not
getting that Sabarros in them all.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I'll tell you that, Chip guy rights, let's do a
Survivor segment on Thursday would be great for the five
of us still in Yeah, no, that that that ship
has sailed.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Man when he's on the forty nine ers, though I
think he said he's leaning for I agree, by the way, Chip,
I agree. If you have forty nine ers available now,
this is the game to play it. Absolutely yes, do.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Not take the Saints. Do not take the Saints. No, Joe, uh,
the definition of savage sarcasm.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
That's you. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
You wanted to talk about somebody?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
What did you want?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Well?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
No, there were a couple of comments here that I
thought was interesting. What is it? Jitum bit Agin one
two three six says your spot on prez Rani's a
real character, always fidget either making faces or just being
uneasy while sitting still. He has never ever looked relaxed.
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There's a certain bit of truth to that. But also,
who do you think is producing this show live right now?
How do you think that's wrong? Do you think the
exactly these things are switching themselves? These graphics are popping
up at him. Yeah, not happening here. So we're walking
and chewing them at a high rate here, which is
why I look a fidgety. Also, DTA three twelve writes,
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I always wonder when people say, quote, this team is
desperate end quote, like Joe said yesterday about talking about
the Kansas City Chiefs. He said, do they expect the
team to magically play better because they need a win?
By that logic, wouldn't a team that's own eleven be
desperate every week? Well, Kansas City has won the AFC
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West every year since twenty and sixteen. They are five
and five and they are well, we're just at a
super Bowl a year ago. They are on five and
one score games. Comparing Kansas City to an own eleven team,
thinking that is the same level of desperation is a
little bit ridiculous. Let's not compare apples to oranges here.
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You're talking about a Hall of Fame quarterback with mobile rings.
I want to that level of desperate is totally different
than the Saints level of desperate.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, and I don't want to add to that, Joe,
Kansas City was in a must win game every time
they were in the playoffs. Every single game in the
playoffs is a must win game. They have already demonstrated
under the current regime. Basically the current roster with the
same quarterback that they love must win games. They are
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at their best in must win games. A team that's
ohero and eleven is at their worst in must win
games because they've been playing one for about seven straight games. Anyway,
I agree, Joe Matt barb oh uck two quick things.
Jason wrote, because remember back where we ent the Kelshy
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segment where I told everybody that bitcoin was going to
tank by September December. Well, bitcoin, Yeah, you remember I
said that bitcoin is down to eighty eight dollars US
right now there has been a huge pullback. I'll tell
you guys flat out. I think bitcoin is going to
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continue to drop for the next little while. What does
that mean?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Bye? Yeah? What? It always starts to drop, doesn't It
has the reset it in order to go higher. But
it's not only.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
About It's not only about resetting it. Look at what
Michael Slayer and Street and Strategy are doing right now, bro.
I mean he just bought nine thousand bitcoin and one
hundred and five grand ten days ago. Now it's at
eighty eight grand. This is all good news in the
long run for bitcoin, not bad news, good news. I
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would watch and wait for the next couple of weeks,
and then I would jump right in. And Matt Bartley writes,
hang a sign on the wall at a guitar shop,
no stairway, no smoke on the water, no oilers. I'd
like to add no hotel California. What do you guys
want to add to that list? Put it up in
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the comments section. Joe, I like it. Great freaking show
bro Boo.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Let's go see you tomorrow.
Buffalo Bills on the road tonight playing the Houston Texans.
The Lions minus five and a half. The total is
forty three and a half. Art, Joe and I are
going to take that game apart plus a whole lot
more on the Best betting Show Ever. I'm Lawrence Presman.
Thank you for joining us. Everyone hit that like button,
subscribe to our channel and make sure to comment. Art Joe,
(00:22):
how are you guys?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Joe?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
We'll start with you first today, as you normally just
sit there and shake your head.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Good price.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Okay, there we God, I had another winning night for
my clients last night. How about you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's impressive, that's impressive. Yeah. Yeah. One our NBA games
was we're good in college and ready for a Thursday
night football game here college and NFL.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Well, let's start with where the money is going and
then we'll get into the Bills and the Texans. Art,
let's leave the Bulls in the Texans component of where
the money is going.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Later on Steelers and Bears, Vikings and pack welcome to
the show. How are those two games being bet?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So Bears right now, we're two and a half. We
took Steeler money at three total. Really has a budget
forty five, so I mean right now it's probably sixty
forty stealer to bear money vikings green Bay very interesting.
This has pretty much been six and a half from
our opener. The total is what has really gotten bet
down from forty three to forty one. We had mentioned
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we I think all think Minnesota might be the move
here in this game. We've yet to see anyone want
to come and take a position on that, but we
know with green Bay sitting at six six and a
half in that range, they're going to be very popular
in the money lines and very popular in the teasers,
so we'll probably be big Viking fans come kick off.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You think it hard? I mean Aaron Rodgers says he
hopes to practice either today or tomorrow. They haven't ruled
him out, But what are we thinking If he's in,
are we getting any big move these out? Are we
getting any big moves?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I don't think there's a difference.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I know this is crazy, but I think now it'd
be interesting to see how the market reacts to it.
We don't think here at the West Gate in the
back room, we don't think there's a difference. Now, you know,
the market's gonna dictate that, and our sharp betters are
going to dictate what happens if he gets ruled in
or out, and we might just have to move with that,
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But for us, we're treating them almost as equals.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
All Right, we'll get back to the bills in Texans,
but let's go into college football. Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, New
Mexico Course, and Louisville at SMU. Where's the money going
in these three games?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, pitt and Georgia Tech. Very underrated game, big game.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Georgia Tech. Mine is two and a half at home.
This has actually seen really good two way action. It's
been bouncing back and forth from two and a half
to three. Total of sixty two going to bet this
scheme over. They've already started to creep betting the over
a little bit here, So I think that's going to
shoot up. New Mexico at air Force the Sharp's League
two and a half. It's now three and a half.
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The total has come down a little bit as well,
fifty eight and a half, fifty seven and a half.
That's kind of been shooting down. And then this Louisville
SMU game. SMU is a two and a half point.
Home favorite Sharps took three with Louisville really nothing to
speak of on the total fifty two and a half.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
It's pretty much been that all week.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I mean exactly. I think the air Force game is
air Force won't have it starting quarterback. I could still
see the money keep coming in on New Mexico. I
mean they've hit him one now through the key number three,
three and three and a half.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
One hundred percent. Initial was two and a half.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Three And listen, once we get to four four and
a half, I mean we're starting to talk dead numbers
as we always talk about. You know, we're going to
get to a point where how high can you get
on a game? Because we even look at four as
a dead number. I know there are people who don't,
but for us, when you're looking at four, four and
a half, five, five and a half, those are dead numbers.
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College games are usually not tight. You know, it's usually
a blowout one way or the other. So you know,
so when you're booking a college game, it's way different
than when you're booking an NFL game.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Art this Caes are with us a sports book Westgate.
You're the risk advisor. Art. We got three college football
games tonight, a slate of NBA and a slate of
a college basketball in NHL. Anything we need to know
about any of those before we attack Thursday night football.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I can give you some college basketball sharp stuff I've
seen in the morning. Tennessee and Tennessee State. They've bet
that total up from one fifty two to one fifty
seven and a half. They bet Texas Tech minus nine,
minus ten. They're now eleven playing wa in the Bahamas.
And they took the under in the Indiana game under
one sixty one. We're now one fifty seven and a
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half on that game.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
There we go, let's get into it Thursday Night football,
the Bills and the Texans and uh, we're now seeing
minus five and a half pretty much across the board
according to odds Logic, sixty four percent of the tickets
written on Buffalo, seventy four percent of the money and
a ton of action coming in on the under. Is
that what you're seeing at the Westgate.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
One hundred percent. We took sharp money on six this morning.
We went to five and a half for us. We
didn't take any sharp money on the total. We just
moved with the market. We were forty four and a
half when I came in this morning, we're now forty
three and a half.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Joe, how do you attack this game?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I mean, Art here, we are back in dead numbers now, right,
so five to five and a half, it's like, okay,
so we're basically thinking it's a one, you know, a
field goal game with the situation. I don't know. I'm
still trying to come up with how we're getting forty
four or more points here. I'm having a hard time
calculating it because we talked about it yesterday. Art, this
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line would look ahead was two and a half. Three,
it doubled, but the total didn't do it. And the
total state of forty three and a half. So where
the hell are the points coming from? Having a hard
time coming up? You know, it feels like a twenty
one thirteen kind of game, and I don't think we
get anywhere near forty four points in this one.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I'm with you, and we talked yesterday how forty four
and a half felt really high. Obviously you coming this morning,
you see, okay, it's already a point lower. Does it
go any lower?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I don't really know what to think of the side either, way.
We know for us, Buffalo is going to be very
popular in moneyline parlays and teasers to start everyone's parlays
off for the weekend, so we know we'll probably need
the Texans in the game. But I'm with you, Joe,
I think the Unders the move.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, I'm not with either of you guys. I just
that you're saying that based on two things, one Houston's
defense and two Houston's.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Lack of scoring.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I'll counter that with the fact that Buffalo just put
up forty four of themselves against Tampa Bay. They've scored
twenty eight or more seven of their last ten games.
This is a team that regularly gets over thirty themselves.
They're not gonna be playing in bad weather. It's not
gonna be super windy. And I understand Houston's defense is good,
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but I mean, who's gonna hold this Buffalo team down.
Tennessee put up thirteen on Houston. Tennessee putting up thirteen
feels like Buffalo putting up fifty. Jackson will put up
twenty nine on Houston. Denver put up eighteen. That feels
like Detroit putting up seventy. To me, I know that
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Houston's defense is good, guys, But I feel like that
that total is low. I would prefer the over, So
should we bet an eyebrow?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Listen, pres the fact that you even brought that up,
that you think six touchdowns in Orchard Park in the
weather has anything to do with this week's game. It's
got squat to do. But you know what, the market
I got news for you. They're gonna think exactly that
forty four point My god, I'm gonna drop forty four.
How are they not gonna score indoors? You know how
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they're not gonna score indoors? Josh Allen keeps turning the
damn ball over and they can't run the ball anymore.
And who's he throwing to, by the way, Zach, who
exactly is he gonna beat in that secondary? I think
it's a nightmare waiting for Happing for Buffalo here. They
might actually have a chance of losing this game outright,
which is why I think the under is the only
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way to look in this one. Even the team total.
If you want to fade Houston's team total, I get it,
even against Buffalo's defense. But nothing screams wild shootout here. Eight.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
You're right, Nothing screams wild shootout. Nobody is suggesting that
Butler puts up forty four this week.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But and a half is what's their team total?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, I didn't look. But if you if you want
me to guess a score on this game, I will guess.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I'll get it for it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, twenty seven twenty one, no too many.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Touchdowns, twenty four and a half.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I would take the I would that's a that's a
very fair number. I would not go over or under.
I think that's a very legit number. But hey, Joe,
if I was so high on the over in this game,
I wouldn't have said a word and just released it
to my clients. I prefer the over. I ain't betting
the over, so I'm taking it. You like Houston here,
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you like Houston here? Plus the points?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, Houston team total art is twenty twenty and a
hal twenty where a lot. I would rather go under
Houston art. Give me to Houston two total under. I
don't see him scoring three times.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Agree, I agree. I agree with that, Joe. I don't
think they're getting three touchdowns either, So I agree with that.
Art anything on the side. I know you like the under, No,
I mean I guess.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
I would lean the home dog, but I don't love it.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Okay, I'd rather have the points than lay them, I agree.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Okay, there we go. That's our take on the Bills
and the Texans. So Parley of the Day did not
go well at all yesterday. Something about hockey Art.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Those oilers, man, they are and the team for the
rest of time.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I not like your leg hit anyway, but that's not
here in artist.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Hey, I didn't blame you. I said something about hockey Man.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
We are going to create a hell list here on
Parlay of the Day teams from now on. There are
going to be certain teams and antenna hell no, we
are not allowed to bet them unless we're fading them.
That's the only way we are allowed to mention.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So we're we should start every show with who's on
our hell noes? Okay, exactly. So I'm going counter intuitive here,
Toronto may believe sixteen and four to the I'm playing
the under. What is wrong with the under in the
leaf game?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
How is that over? What?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
What is the problem with the college U n LB
on the money line? Screwing it both? But there you go, guys,
I gave you an extra play the under game that
was that was a bonus. I did that purposely, O
n l V. On the money line, what do you got, Art, I'm.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Gonna give you Tennessee on the money line. I think
they go into the swamp and kick the gators.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Joe, that's impressive. I kind of like the way that's
uh that you're looking at that. Art. All right, I
am going to go since you guys are gonna make
things difficult. I think Oregon on the money line, I
think Oregon beats USC at home. Let's keep it simple.
Got to win it to be in it, right, I'll
take Oregon to win on the money line.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
There we go. Yes, we got that segment done.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Art.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You can go back to work now. I'm glad you
had a smile on your face. You enjoyed your time
with us.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Oh, be good, Art, I appreciate it. Art, thanks for
leaving me as always.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, we'll see Art. We'll see Art this season tomorrow.
Great way to start the day, Joe. I don't think
we've ever got through that Thursday College Football parlay. Correct? No,
and I would. I think it's me every time.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And you always started off with the wrong player. You
don't even pick the right sport, and I just wait
to see arts reaction, absolutely priceless. Yep, brother, it's time
for some business.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Oh no, let's get to the business speed, Joe.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I'm freaking rolling right now, brother, A nine and two
since Tuesday, that's right, I've won nine games, lost two games.
I'm rolling in every sport. I won my last two
college basketball games.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I am on.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
An eight and three NBA run. I am dominating NHL
of late, and I'm excited about my NFL. I got
a lot going right now, dude, and call tonight alone.
Thursday night, I got two NHL games, one college football,
one NFL. My NFL is a parlay bet. I got
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an NBA. I got so much going on it's ridiculous.
And this Sunday I got two nflats bets, which is
about as rare as it gets. And I know you've
got luck going on too. We've got a great promo
up and it's gonna run out, only a few more
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under ten dollars a day, ninety nine bucks for ten days.
You get all my plays, and I am in freaking rhythm.
With that said, Joan areas too. He's up in every
single sport going on currently right now except hockey because
he doesn't have any balls to do it. Yet you
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want to take over, Joe.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
No, I'm laughing here, bro, because it's not has nothing
to do with balls, although we've learned a lot about
your fascination with balls this week. It's time. It's literally time, yes,
but there will come a time where we'll get back
on the Panther. By the way, how the Panthers all
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guys in barbecue accidents now? Like what in the world
will winning? And it's still like what is going on
with the Florida Panthers? Like Jesus lights some sage or
something there. Pres still got that five percent college football
max bet up and available at wager Talk. I'm just
loading up the rest of the NFL card. I got
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a big college basketball card here tonight, and it looks
like once I can confirm here in the NBA with
one team what's going on, I will fire away now
twenty one and eight on the season in the NBA. PRES,
so yeah, we are rolling right now.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, guys, use that Bromo code. There's no code, just
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it out, Joe, let's get into it man. We're going
out to the clock. We got college football bets NHL Rundown,
Hoops Rundown, and we're gonna end the sh show with
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the mailbag segment. Joe, I got two college football bets
qu the clock and let's get straight into it.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Boom.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Temple plus eight and a half vers Tulane. This is
a classic spot where the schedule maker is handed the
home dog a massive advantage. Yes, Temple has had two
full weeks to prepare for this game. They've been sitting
at home, resting, getting out the and stewing on a
fifty two and six beat down Tulane put on them
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last year. This is a massive revenge spot with a
huge preparation edge. On the flip side, look at Tulane.
They are running on fumes. This is their third road
game in four weeks. That travel takes its toll and
it shows up on the injury reporters. They have twelve
twelve players listed as questionable. Temple is seven to three
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against the spread this year, let's not overthink it. They
win this game, their Bowl eligible. Take Temple plus eight
and a half. As for our next game, a sexy
one at that USC going into Oregon, and I like
the Oregon team total over thirty four and a half points. Yes,
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that's right, seven touchdowns get us there, and this game
screams points. Let's look at the history the last ten
meetings between these two schools, this game has produced at
least fifty four points in every single game. Eight of
those ten went over sixty. But here's why I'm isolating
Oregon specifically USC. The bottom line is, over the last
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three games, the Trojans are giving up nearly one hundred
and seventy rushing yards per game. Oregon's going to be
able to run the ball down this team's throat. The
USC front seven are simply getting pushed around. Oregon's offense
ranks number one in the entire country in yards per rush,
averaging over six a play. They are to get over
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forty in this game. Take Oregon Ducks over thirty four
and a half points. Joe, what are your two rays?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I like that, As a matter of fact, I'm betting
that right now. All right, A couple of college football plays.
I'm on this week, and yes, this team should very
well be on the hell no list, buts Florida States
is on the road taking on NC State, and the
reality is, listen, Florida State is a much better team
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than North Carolina State. They are a hot mess. North
Carolina State's defense is atrocious, but Florida State can't win
a damn game on the road, which makes them impossible
to want to back here. Even though all of my
numbers favor Florida State by close to double digits in
this game, I can't do it. I mean three road
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losses in games in which they have outplayed everybody on
the road only in losing efforts, because it's got to
be mental at this particular point in time. But what
I will do is back to over in this game here,
pez because if it's the one thing NC State can do,
it's they got a pretty good offense and they will
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be at home here. I got no problem looking at
the over in that one there. Florida State just can't
win on the road. The other games are gonna go
out west because I think this number is a little
light here with Fresno State at home taking on Utah State.
Fresno State right now playing some great football. Defensively, they're
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playing well. We know they can score, and now they've
got an opportunity here in their home finale, maybe with
a shot at a Mountain West title game. Meanwhile, Utah
State is worse than Florida State. They've lost seven straight
on the road. They got a home finale against Boise
State coming up next week. But yeah, I like the
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defense here Fresno State. I like the offense. It's rolling,
it's a kick them price. I mean Fresno minus three
right now. I think Fresno State gets it done a
big way at home there.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Prez Joe, let's keep going NHL rundown twelve fricking games
on tap. I like Toronto Joe minus won ten against Columbus.
I understand Toronto is a walking injury report, but I
think they get it done tonight, and I like the
under in that game. I prefer the under. I like
Philadelphia against Saint Louis. I think Saint Louis is a
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really bad team and one that is having just problems everywhere,
especially in the dressing room. Minus one twenty or Philadelphia
Montreal tonight minus one thirty five coming off of a
bad stretch, and Washington is in a bad spot. They're
on a travel back to back and they just played
a tough game against Edmonton. I like the New York
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Islanders as a small dog against Detroit. The New York
Islanders are a much better team than everyone anticipated, and
I like the over in that game too. The number
is six. I think we get having goals. Florida is
the bet here minus one fifty against New Jersey. You
think Florida is injured, New Jersey is a mess as well,
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and regardless about who's injured off Florida, they just seem
to get it done. Minus one fifty for the Panthers
and the over in the Edmonton Tampa Bay game, Joe look.
I normally like to bet unders in Tampa Bay, but
there is a few sixes out there, and unless Edmundson
can can find themselves a goaltender, this team can't get
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out of its own way. I gotta believe we're gonna
get seven in this one tonight. I like Vegas in Utah, Utah.
I think is obviously playing much better this year than last,
but this is a team that is on a little
bit of a negative slide, and I think Vegas is
a bet on team moving forward. Colorado just can't lose games.
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But I don't like this spot. I don't want to
bet against the Rangers here. I'm gonna actually pass on
this hockey game, Ottawa playing Anaheim. I like the Ducks
here as a small dog. San Jose playing the Kings.
I like over five and a half in this game,
and I like over six and a half in the
(22:12):
Vancouver Dallas game? Who run down all yours?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Did you? Did? I hear the black Hawks cracking call there? Press?
So you didn't.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I like Chicago Chicago on the money line. The Chicago
team is doing some good stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I got to ask you, Prez. I was on the
Calshi market place the other day and they had a
really good price for Detroit to make the postseason, to
make the playoffs, I mean what they're I think they're
in the top spot right now, are they Is that
a mirage? Or are we buying Detroit getting back to
the postseason here?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
You know, you know, Joe, it's more probably how stacked
that division is. Like you have Montreal as an up
and coming team, right, Uh, so you've got Boston is
rocking and rolling. So Florida, Tampa, Bay, Detroit, Boston, Montreal,
(23:09):
and I do believe Toronto, no matter how bad they start,
is going to be in the thicket things. There are
six teams right there that are all capable of making
the playoffs, and Ottawa and Buffalo, believe it or not,
are not far behind. Really well, Ottawa's missing Brady Kachuk
once he comes back. We saw what they did towards
(23:31):
the end of last year. This is a team that's
much better than their record. And Buffalo is making a
little bit of noise. Everybody is kind of packed in there.
I don't know, dude, I don't know about Detroit. It's
a division.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yep, it is all right, Prez. Let's go NBA college basketball.
Start with the Clippers and the Magic. Struggling Clippers team obviously,
they've gotten a season long seven game road trip here
that they are trying to get going on. But they're
gonna take on the Orlando Magic here, second of a
(24:09):
back to back for them. They had no problem winning
last night. Looks like Jalen Suggs in the lineup for Orlando.
This has got underwritten all over it. No reason to
look any other way than that. The Hawks taking on
the Spurs. No web Byama for San Antonio, but they
are dealing with a couple of other cluster injuries there
Stephen Castle and a few others, but they still have
(24:32):
the Aaron Fox. Recachet should be good to go, but
he is questionable for the Hawks. I do like Atlanta
here to bounce back in this one. Sixers and the
Bucks sixers last night turn the ball over. I don't know,
nine thousand times got smoked by Toronto. Good call by you,
Prez on the Raptors there, but they will have Paul
(24:54):
George and Embiid back here tonight, so I do think
a bounce back is in store. I don't know who
can bet on Sacramento or Memphis and with a straight face,
so I won't do either because they're both horrific. But
let's take a look at a couple of college basketball
games here, Prez. And of course, anytime the number one
team is in the Bahamas taken on Memphis, you got
(25:17):
to talk about them. Purdue lay in what sixteen sixteen
and a half?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Did open up fourteen and a half. They're at the
Bahamar there in NASA and the Bahamas taken on Penny
Hardway and Memphis, and you want to care to guess
how many returning players Memphis has none zero, because that
is what Penny Hardaway does. In the meantime, Purdue has
one of the most experienced backcourts, which is why they're
(25:43):
number one here. That trio Brandon, Smitch, Fletcher Lawyer and
Trey Kaufman Wren the best in the country. I think
this has got blowout written all over at Memphis will
take no I mean Purdue will take no prisoners tonight, Prez,
look for them to roll Memphis.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Team Joseph. Let's get to the mailbag section of the show.
T Bone Stobs writes, a few books will offer minus
one in hockey as opposed to the regulation line. Would
you ever prefer a minus one bet for overtime protection?
So basically, Joe Carmine and I have been talking about
(26:23):
this for a while now, this minus one and what
it does. If you bet, you can bet a money line,
say it minus one sixty, You can bet a sixty
minute line at say even money, and then you can
bet the minus one, which would probably be around minus
one ten. Which one of those bets do you like?
The most. I hate the minus one bet. I hate
(26:47):
that bet at such a high level. Now I have
not done the math and I'm actually going to do
a deep dive into the minus one, but I do
not like that bet. So many any of these games
end in one. They are three to two, four to three.
Almost every game is a one goal game, so you're
(27:08):
basically constantly gonna be pushing. I'd rather you seventy percent
of all games end in regulation this year. It's only
going to get bigger. It's gonna be seventy five percent
when all said and done. I hate minus one. I
would much where you guys take the U the sixty
(27:28):
minute line. Do you have any thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Pras that number you gave me last yesterday on the
show was mind numbing here given the fact that, I mean,
thirty percent of the games are going to overtime, and
where what a little over a month into the season
right now here, and we're seeing a lot of overtime,
a lot of one goal games, and we're also seeing
again goalies being polled with three minutes four minutes to go.
(27:53):
I don't know what the sudden you know, pushes early
in the season. I don't know if the analytics have
changed or what teams are trying to do, but it
seems like there's a lot more desperation early in the
season here with teams, and they're willing to take more
risks than chances. I don't know how sustainable it is,
but it is absurd, Prez. What is there any value
(28:16):
in laying one if every game goes to thirty percent
of the games are going to overtime and it's going
to land one one way or the other.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, all you're doing is pushing. That's your sister. Richard
writes his favorite pizza is John's Pizza in West Village
in New York. One hundred year old brick Oven shout
out to John's Pizza. Yes, I've never had it. Do
you have any this?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
No pizza, no West Village in New York now, But yeah,
one hundred year old brick Oven is there's a certain
taste to that that you're not getting. That you're not
getting that Sabarros in them all.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I'll tell you that, Chip guy rights, let's do a
Survivor segment on Thursday would be great for the five
of us still in Yeah, no, that that that ship
has sailed.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Man when he's on the forty nine ers, though I
think he said he's leaning for I agree, by the way, Chip,
I agree. If you have forty nine ers available now,
this is the game to play it. Absolutely yes, do.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Not take the Saints. Do not take the Saints. No, Joe, uh,
the definition of savage sarcasm.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
That's you. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
You wanted to talk about somebody?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
What did you want?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Well?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
No, there were a couple of comments here that I
thought was interesting. What is it? Jitum bit Agin one
two three six says your spot on prez Rani's a
real character, always fidget either making faces or just being
uneasy while sitting still. He has never ever looked relaxed.
(29:48):
There's a certain bit of truth to that. But also,
who do you think is producing this show live right now?
How do you think that's wrong? Do you think the
exactly these things are switching themselves? These graphics are popping
up at him. Yeah, not happening here. So we're walking
and chewing them at a high rate here, which is
why I look a fidgety. Also, DTA three twelve writes,
(30:11):
I always wonder when people say, quote, this team is
desperate end quote, like Joe said yesterday about talking about
the Kansas City Chiefs. He said, do they expect the
team to magically play better because they need a win?
By that logic, wouldn't a team that's own eleven be
desperate every week? Well, Kansas City has won the AFC
(30:33):
West every year since twenty and sixteen. They are five
and five and they are well, we're just at a
super Bowl a year ago. They are on five and
one score games. Comparing Kansas City to an own eleven team,
thinking that is the same level of desperation is a
little bit ridiculous. Let's not compare apples to oranges here.
(30:56):
You're talking about a Hall of Fame quarterback with mobile rings.
I want to that level of desperate is totally different
than the Saints level of desperate.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, and I don't want to add to that, Joe,
Kansas City was in a must win game every time
they were in the playoffs. Every single game in the
playoffs is a must win game. They have already demonstrated
under the current regime. Basically the current roster with the
same quarterback that they love must win games. They are
(31:30):
at their best in must win games. A team that's
ohero and eleven is at their worst in must win
games because they've been playing one for about seven straight games. Anyway,
I agree, Joe Matt barb oh uck two quick things.
Jason wrote, because remember back where we ent the Kelshy
(31:51):
segment where I told everybody that bitcoin was going to
tank by September December. Well, bitcoin, Yeah, you remember I
said that bitcoin is down to eighty eight dollars US
right now there has been a huge pullback. I'll tell
you guys flat out. I think bitcoin is going to
(32:12):
continue to drop for the next little while. What does
that mean?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Bye? Yeah? What? It always starts to drop, doesn't It
has the reset it in order to go higher. But
it's not only.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
About It's not only about resetting it. Look at what
Michael Slayer and Street and Strategy are doing right now, bro.
I mean he just bought nine thousand bitcoin and one
hundred and five grand ten days ago. Now it's at
eighty eight grand. This is all good news in the
long run for bitcoin, not bad news, good news. I
(32:50):
would watch and wait for the next couple of weeks,
and then I would jump right in. And Matt Bartley writes,
hang a sign on the wall at a guitar shop,
no stairway, no smoke on the water, no oilers. I'd
like to add no hotel California. What do you guys
want to add to that list? Put it up in
(33:11):
the comments section. Joe, I like it. Great freaking show
bro Boo.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Let's go see you tomorrow.
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