December 8, 2025 • 51 mins
The NHL is in full swing and so is PuckTime! Join Carmine, Andrew & Guests for PuckTime as we look at NHL picks and predictions for December 8, 2025! What games should we be betting tonight? What totals show some betting value for Monday? Find out LIVE on Pucktime, EVERY weekday at 11am!
Introduction 00:00
Lawrence - Tampa/Toronto 05:00
Andrew/Carm - Buffalo/Calgary 12:30
Andrew/Carm - LA Kings/Utah 26:10
Andrew/Carm - Detroit/Vancouver 35:35
POD & SPG - 45:10
Introduction 00:00
Lawrence - Tampa/Toronto 05:00
Andrew/Carm - Buffalo/Calgary 12:30
Andrew/Carm - LA Kings/Utah 26:10
Andrew/Carm - Detroit/Vancouver 35:35
POD & SPG - 45:10
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Transcript
Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Happy Monday, guys. Welcome to pun Time on wager Talk TV.
We've got sides, we've got totals, we've got props, we've
got best bets for you in the NHL betting board
for Monday night. Of course, I'm Andrew. I've got the
pres and Carmine with me to break down a handful
of games here today. Carm Good morning, Happy Monday. What
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games are we talking about today? Brother?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hello Andrew, Good morning to you, sir. We are going
to talk. There's not a lot of games tonight, but
we're gonna talk about four of them. The Prez is
going to be on shortly talk about Tampa Bay and Toronto,
a team that he very rarely breaks down, but we'll
have him on the show talking about it. He's been
pretty good in breaking down leaf games, so listen to
what he says on that one. The Sabers and the
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Calgary Flames, Ellie Kings, Utah, and then Detroit and Vancouver
will cap it off for us. Andrew, same game parlay
hopefully in and a pod play. Pod Play continues to win.
The six and sixty went either went two two and
two or three two and one, depending on whether you
got five and a half in the Vancouver game against
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Wallstead and Minnesota. That game landed on six. I got
five and a half, so I in my mind, I
went three, two and one and Andrew almost a perfect
day for me. And this is the part that sucks.
I win a two four percent plays one an NHL
with Anaheim, a horrible scheduling spot for Chicago, and Anaheim
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wins at seven to one. And then the over and
the Bills game. People messaging me, krm, you still like
because it was the customer appreciation day? You still like that?
I go the snow does not matter. The Bills have
no defense, Tampa Bay had, Sorry, Cincinnati has no defense.
They're gonna score at least sixty in that game, and
I think they scored seventy, So it did not matter
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to me. I was at a baptism Andrew in a
Portuguese church. I'm sitting at the back as an Italian,
and I'm streaming the game on my phone at church.
It is what you do.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
The Holy One.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
He probably found out and then mushed my play five
loser on the Kansas City Chiefs. Patrick mahomes see you later.
You're not making the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Guys are dead to me. Kansas City Chiefs, You're dead
to me.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
But with that, the opposite car My day was the
absolute opposite. I was sweating out picks on End Zone
Live with Pres and Company, and I went I think
zero to four on the afternoon slate of my props.
But I didn't have any best bets on the slate.
I had a four percent Sunday Night Football mahomes over
on rushing yards and I hit that. So it's like,
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you know, if I'm gonna go one and four, I
at least wanted the one to be the bigger one.
But I'm still not happy because I was on a
so that's such a great prop run. I'm still on
a great prop run, but you know, pardon me, was
like a dude, you probably shouldn't have put out that
many plays. But at the very least, I'm happy the
big one hit eight and two. Best bet run with
the props. But it kind of sucks when you you
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don't really know how to feel like I went one
to four. I'm like, at least the big one hit I.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
And that's the thing is I have a winning day
overall for anyone who was like the all access or whatever.
But you have you lose, like you win two four percent,
you lose a five, and you should be happy because
you have a profitable day. But you know that people
only buy like the fives sometimes, and that's the part
that sucks. And just before we bring in press at
the baptism, which was for my niece's kid, we have
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dinner afterwards on Young Street in Toronto at a place
called Stock and Andrew. It was the weirdest thing for me,
but it's because it does happen. But towards the end
of the night or the evening or whatever the dinner,
one of the one of the weight staff or whatever,
the waiters or bartenders comes over to me. He goes,
he goes, hey, question. I'm like, well, yeah, what's up.
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He goes, are you Carmin and Bianco like yes, I am,
and he goes, oh my god, I love wager talk.
He goes, I watch wager talk. I watched puck time.
He goes, you've taught me to stay away from parlays
and to play straight game wagers. And he goes, I'm
making money betting straight like you're just straight plays. And
that actually made me feel good in the sense of
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not being recognized or what have you. But that someone
veers away from parlays and is straight betting games and
now making money and realizes that that is how you
build your bankroll. And with that said, let's bring in
another straight guy, the Press, who hosted a poker poker
cash game on Friday where he graciously took most of
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my money and smiled while doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Press, Good morning, Press, how are you boys?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So I hear, I hear we're complaining a bit about
our losses. So I went five and two in NFL
yesterday from clients, and that five and two I'm supposed
to celebrate, except I lost a par money line parlay
with Tampa Bay and I lost the under in the
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Denver game by half a point on probably the worst
beat I would say ever, I have zero recollection of
a worse beat than anybody who was sitting on Denver
and the under in that game. That is as bad
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as it gets.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That's tough. That is tough.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
But it does show that Pete Carroll knows the line
and cares about his fan base because.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Didn't, uh, well, I'm gonna play devil.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
What did he Sean McVay do that last year where
I think it was last season where he kicks a
field goal or something like that and says, so it
lands on like seven or something like that, and the
line was seven or seven and a half and he's like,
it's about points or so miscommon at the end was
why he went for a field going He talked about
it's about points.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, but the Raiders their their first draft first three,
the top three draft picks are based on points.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I find what I'm talking about a similar situation last year.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah. Yeah, put yourself in someone's shoes that doesn't know betting,
like anyone that doesn't follow betting. What would they be
thinking of that? Oh? I just wanted to score three points,
I guess, or.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
The reason whatsoever instead of giving Kenny Pickett, who's been
sitting on the bench, a chance to have one glorious moment.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Right, like a Hail Mary or something like that. Yeah, definitely,
all right, Press, Well, you know what it is? Prime
Monday night hockey in Canada is a regular Monday in America.
But where where did.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
We last leave all of your listeners? We last left
all of your listeners with me on Friday telling you
guys that I had the play of plays the run
of runs, the streak of streaks, the bet of bets.
I announced into the camera on my record, I told
you guys there was no play stronger. I implored, begged
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and pleaded with you to buy it. You did. You
came through from me, and I paid you back with
an easy dub. I also last left the show screaming
in the mike on my way out the door to
bet the Toronto and Montreal game under. Thank you for
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that too, Prez, and I am here to say again,
we are sticking to the plan. We are betting the
leaf game under. I understand that the Hilloughby might be
a net for the Leafs or maybe even some guy
that nobody knows. I don't care. The plan is to
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bet the Leafs under. You can get a six and
a half out there in a few books. Bay is
a team that I'm looking to bet under all the time.
They just lost two nothing to the New York Islanders.
This is a team that's held their opponents to one, two,
three or five, six seven games. Seven games in their
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last ten, they've held their opponents to two or less.
This is I'm not overthinking this year. And just to
let you guys all know this is a client play. Yes,
that's what I do. It's the under in the Toronto
Tampa Bay game. And I do lean on the Leaf slightly,
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just slightly, But I don't like the spot or Tampa
Bay to play against Tampa Bay. They've lost three games
in a row. So I am concerned.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And I'll make you feel good. It's not a backup goalie.
I got a message from someone who's at the marking skates.
How's it not about? And hill Deby is starting tonight.
He was in here right, I think, so he should
be confirmed in the next half hour, so as just
starting goalie for a time.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Just for the record everybody out there, and because I
know karm is a Buffalo Sabers fan and not a
Leaf fan. The goaltender tonight for the Leaves is a
backup goalie. He's actually the third goalie, so he will
be divided as a backup to the backup.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But you said we might see a fourth string goalie,
Well we're not.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, third stringer, but he's sits with Evan and he's looking.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Deals with Andrew. Their goalies are made out of tissue paper.
A lot of the times wet. They just keep getting
injured and it is a tough spot. But Pres, I
get it. They're playing well defensively going into Carolina and
pretty much shutting down the Canes going into Florida, beating
Florida game against Montreal. I thought it was a bad
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spot for the Leafs. I talked about it on Friday
dead and Montreal got the victory. That's why Andrew is
smiling this morning. He just loves it when the Canadians
can beat up on the Lease.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Pres.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Before you promote, man, why did you take my money
on Friday?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I tried not to. Karm I made.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You bet the river one hundred and forty bucks on
the river. He's like KRM, and he just he sold it.
He sold it so well. This is why Prez is
a good poker player. He sold it so well that
he had to take money from a guy who who
was eating Ramen soup seven days a week so he
could have another ragu wago whatever steak.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Anyways, you know, car there's there's a reason I eat
wagou and you eat ramen noodles. Anyway, thanks for having
me on, everybody, What do you have to promote? Yeah,
so I got I got a big play in the
NFL game tonight, which I love. Actually, so my second
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strongest play of the entire NFL card. And I've had
a monster week in the NFL. I won Sunday, I
won Monday. I am I mean on Thursday. I'm killing
it in the NFL. So yeah, I got a four
percent bet up tonight. In the NFL, I most some
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of the handicappers have four percent plays every night, which
is totally reasonable. I've had fifty percent plays in the
entire calendar year. Ninety percent of my plays are two
and three percent plays. So when I do have a
five percent bet, it's a must bet play. And I
won my five percent already this week in NFL. So yeah,
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I got a four percent play up for my clients.
I got one NBA one college jobs and two hockey bets.
You can get them all over at wagtalk dot com.
Lots of love everybody, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Guys later President. Oh nobody, Andrew, did you see that card?
There's just nobody on the screen.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
There's like no one on the screen.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Andrew.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
We're going to talk about obviously, we're going to talk
about the Sabers and the flames up next. I don't
get it. The Sabers on the road continue to get money,
and I don't understand why is the team that has
like what two road winds or three road winds on
the season. We saw it against Philadelphia. I like the total,
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not one more than I did the Sabers, but they
took money. This was minus one twenty originally for Calgary
and now it's down to one ten both ways. And
the Flames are playing well at home, really respectable. They're
accumulating wins they have any of their losses have been
like I think one goal losses. This is the team
that's playing extremely well. It's like one ten and six.
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And for TJ. Salvador, who's gonna probably pop into our
live chat, it should be Uka Peca Lucan in goal tonight. There,
I pronounced it once again for you, but it doesn't
mean I want you to play the Sabers because I
pronounced his name correctly. Andrew, how are you going to
play this game?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Well, okarm you're kind of setting me up, making me
feel weird if I take Buffalo here with everything he
said there, you do what you want to do.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I have no idea how to play this game, which
is why I'm going to you first.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
All right. You know, I kind of like the Buffalo
side here, and honestly, a lot of the reason is
kind of just looking at I hate to say it,
but looking at some of the Flames wins and kind
of how they've been winning, you know, lately, I'm not
really buying what they're selling to me. You know, Like
even that win over the Mammoth, it was a pretty
good spot for them. They played some good defense. That
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number against the Wild was very, very fishy, and it
was almost as fishy as the number is today against Buffalo. Now,
when you look at Buffalo, the one thing that you
can trust is their offense. And somebody actually sent me
a message on Twitter yesterday or it was tweeted at
me and said, when you have two teams going against
each other, one team is an over team and one
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team's an under team, how do you approach that? How
do you find out if you like the over or
the under in that game? And Garden, My answer was,
you pick the better team. And I know it might
be hard right now to figure out which team is
better between these two teams, but I still think because
of the offensive, you know, ability, and it can different
weapons and the power play that Buffalo brings. They're gonna
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bring a different level, I think to this game than
the Calgary Flames can. And I think when you look
at this Sabers team, I know that they've been on
and off overall, but I still trust them to score
some goals. Now. They haven't played since Friday, and I
kind of like that, especially since they're coming off of
four to one loss. They will not be happy. And
the funny thing is they beat the Jets five to
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one and then on Friday, and I think we talked
about this on the show on Friday. Oh no, I
wasn't on with you on Friday, so I haven't seen
you in a couple of days. It was a very
very simple, rapid revenge spot because they had lost to Winnipeg.
Are they at beat Winnipeg just a few days before that?
So I think you get a couple of days to
be upset about it. You kind of get to sit
and stew and then you get out and keep that
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road tip going. Let's not act like the fact that
this is a road trip and a road game. It's
that difficult for them because they haven't played since Friday,
so it's a couple of days off for them, and
I think this is kind of where this Calgary Flames
team gets a little bit humbled. I'm acting like they're
on a big street here, Karen. But they've only won
two games in a row, the Calgary Flames. But this
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number kind of tells us. I feel like with the Flames,
the books have kind of dictated if you read the
market the way we should be, we've kind of been
able to just read how the books feel about these games.
We saw that game for the Flames against the Wild.
The Wild were minus one twenty five. That told me
it was a wild flame spot. Now with this one, like, karm,
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are they implying that right now tonight on a neutral site,
we're getting you know, minus one twenty one twenty five
here for the Sabers. What do you think? Because based
on this number, I'm willing to take Buffalo. How to
pick them? Uh?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Andrew? I wish I could. I wish I could play.
It is such it's such a weird game for me,
Like you look at Calgary and I get it. These
are two teams at the end of the season, much
like I said at the beginning, and people were saying
that this is the year the Savers make the playoffs. No,
it's not the year the Savers make the playoffs. And
I said it right from the get go, but people
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were predicting the Savers make the playoffs and I just
did not see it. These are two teams that are
not gonna make the playoffs this season. But when you
look at you know, sort of the home and away splits,
it is one where the line becomes fishy because the
Savers don't win on the road. They haven't done so
it doesn't mean they can't do it tonight. But then
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you look at the Calgary Flames and you know, look
at their last ten games. They've gone six two and
two the two loss Two of the losses were to
Winnipeg by a goal one in O T and on
a two to one another OT loss as well too.
And then the only bad game that you can say
they played was a four nothing loss to the Chicago Blackhawks.
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That is the only multi goal game that they've lost
at home in that so you know, the price. Unfortunately,
Andrew at minus won ten both ways. Makes it that
the money line even if you or sorry, the puck line,
if you want to take Calgary plus one and a half.
You're paying about dollars sixty or dollars seventy. It's just
not worth it as well too. It is a weird one.
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If anything, I would probably lean to the under here
in this one. Uh, you know, with two good goalies.
The last game that they played in Buffalo, Calgary beat them.
I don't This is one spot where outside of the conference,
like a non conference game, I don't look at that
the as they call it, the rapid revenge factor coming
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into this one. Andrew, it's just Sabers lost six to
the Calgary and they're gonna they're gonna this road trip
and playing Calgary and see how they do. I'm going
to lean the under here if it gets the seven.
By all means, it's not making my card, guys, I
can tell you that much. There's better games on the
card to bet than one in which you're struggling to
find the right side. When you're struggling to find the
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right side, normally you end up making the wrong decision
for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
One hund. That's how I feel about some of these
games where you just kind of look back and you're like, ah,
I'll just stay away. Karl I wanted to mention this
is the front half. I apologize if you already mentioned this,
but front half of back to back for Buffalo. So
I feel like on these Monday slates, Wednesday slates, and
Friday slates, it's important to look for the front which
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teams are playing again tomorrow, right, or you know on Saturdays,
which team played on on Friday, because I think it's
that much more important, like if you're Buffalo, right, Sometimes
we use the expression scheduled loss, you know, like if
a team is uh playing their third game in four nights,
or they've had a busy schedule, or you know, they
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have these two I remember when the Montreal Canadians had
a three game roadship. They played against Utah, Vegas and
then Colorado, Karen, which one do you think was the
scheduled loss? Colorado? Right? And they got their asses kicked
on the Saturday against Colorado. So if you're if you're
the Buffalo Sabers going into this two game set, which
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game do you think is more winnable against Calgary or
against Edmonton? Right?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, you would obviously think the Calgary game is is
the winnable one, But honestly, it would not surprise me
and You're absolutely right with that, Andrew. It would not
surprise me if they go zero to two, because you
look at what they've done so far, and that's all
we have is the data that is presented to us
at times. And Sabers have two road wins and both
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of them came in OT and one of them came
against Detroit in Detroit where the Red Wings fell apart
in that game, and then the other one came in
a horrible scheduling spot for Minnesota where actually took the
Sabers with only one road win in Minnesota like plus
one thirty ish, because Minnesota just came off a game
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in which it was like they won the Stanley Cup.
They beat the Calgary Sorry, they beat the Colorado Avalanche,
who were just flying at the time, and they beat
them in OT or a shootout, I'm not sure which
one it was. Again, And those are the only two
only wins by the Sabers. They haven't beaten a team
in regulation on the road this season. And if you're
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handicapping involves the dow factor or the must win, then
you're not handicapping the game. You have to have more
data and definitive numbers that are in your favor in
order to take a game like this any other team
other than Calgary that the Sabers are playing tonight. Given
their record and their road record, the Sabers are not
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a prohibitive underdog, but they're at least minus one fifty.
What do you think the Edmonton Oilers are going to
be in the second half of the back to back. Well,
that's what I'm.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Let's make money on both games. I think that I
like I like the Sabers tonight, as I mentioned, and
I think that if I like the Sabers, and if
the Sabers win tonight, it helps my case even more
for taking the Oilers tomorrow. We talk a lot about
fading teams second half of back to back off wins,
like it's almost been more profitable these days to take
a team, uh, fade them after they've won a game
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than even awful loss. So uh, I mean, look at
look at what Edmonton did over the weekend. Like everyone's
saying the Oilers are back, the Oilers are back. This
team looks like they're back here, carm and then now
what they're going to get the Buffalo Sabers second half
of a back to back. I mean that's a pretty
good spot if you're the Edmonton Oilers and all of
a sudden they start piling up those those wins. So
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this is why I love talking about these games, Carl,
because everybody wants to talk about the Torontos and the
Tampa Bays. But I think this game is super interesting.
So guys, let us know in the comments after the show,
what you think Sabers Flames. What do you think about
the line? Like Karen, for me, the pick'm price tells
me all I have to know. I know Calvary's not
a wagon, but I'm going to take that. Maybe it's
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not a fishy line, but I do think that, like,
what is this number if it's in Buffalo tonight. That's
what I want to know. I want to have an
odds maker in front of me to tell me what
this number is if it's in Buffalo tonight, because if
this is a Pickham right now, front half of the
back to back, I think this is a really important
game for Buffalo. We'll see if.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
This isn't if this was in Buffalo, and I think
I can't go back to look at that game, but
the game that was in Buffalo, I'm pretty sure the
Sabers not a prohibitive favorite, but they were about one
fifty ish one sixty ish at the very least.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Okay in that game.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And to the guy who wast is.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
The do.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
The must win or their due the same as the
same as regression. It's not because you can find regression
based on analytic numbers in which a team, much like
I said at the beginning of the season with the Rangers,
creating goal scoring chances but not scoring goals. Eventually, once
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they start to go in, if those numbers remain consistent,
they're going to start to win games, and they did. Conversely,
if a team's high danger chances, if a team's expected
goals are decreasing, that's a team but they're still winning games,
that's a team that and they weren't expected to win games,
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kind of like the Boston Bruins, the Pittsburgh Penguins. Those
are teams that regression is going to set in. So
regression I don't think ever sets in for good teams. Andrew,
like you know, the Colorado Avalanche, UH playing phenomenal, but
they're gonna lose two, three, maybe even four games in
a row at one point. That to me is not regression.
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That is just it is just a good team that
isn't getting the results completely different.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, you have to look at the.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Numbers and analytics and watch the teams even their x G.
If you're not into doing data mining and looking at analytics,
then you're gonna rely on clicking on the standings and saying, Okay,
this team's one seven of ten, I'm gonna take them
because they're by a team that's two and eight.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
It's like what Yanni in the summer card. Right with
the baseball the bad teams in baseball are gonna win?
How many games? Yeah, forty forty games, fifty games? How many?
How many games are the bad? The word how many
games did the Miami Marlins win this season in the MLB?
It tells you all you have to know, right, the
Colorado Avalanche are a great team. They're not gonna win
every single night out there. So it is you know, Andrew,
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and you're right, U.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
The sort of like the correlation are using like baseball,
think of a team and it's a perfect example is
think of a team in baseball and one hundred and
sixty two game schedule where their win total is eighty one.
That is telling you that this team is going to
play fifty to fifty. The books are figuring they're not
going to win more than eighty one games pretty much.
That's the number that they've put it at. And now
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you're relying on trying to pick winners and times to
take this team and times to fade this team. It
is extremely tough. And I'm just using that as a
small example. You don't want to look at win totals
and try and come up with why you should play
on or against a team. But in baseball, if a
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team is winning games and there's I won't call it luck,
but they're outplaying their numbers, at some point that regression
will hit and they're bet against teams for sure. But
with that said, Andrew, are any of these teams bet
against teams? The La Kings Utah I wanted to call
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them the Utah Jazz for a second. We're all over
the place, the Mammoth, the Utah Mammoth one minus one
nineteen minus one all two man. That was a huge
Karl Malone and John Stockton fan for the Utah Jazz
back in the day. The Mailman minus one nineteen minus
one O two on the Kings five and a half
to total. How you playing this one?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah? This is this is kind of the first game
back after the road trip kind of angle here, Karen.
But the funny thing is about this angle is that
it kind of presents two different things for us. It's
the first game back after a road trip angle, but
it's also the one team is off a shutout angle.
So it's kind of like two sides of the coin here.
How do we approach it? One team was off a
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crappy effort. One team, you know, hey, maybe maybe they're
going to be in a tough situational spot now. When
it comes to the La Kings, I had a mediocre
weekend carn But one of the bets that I'm made actually,
I had a parlay with the Hurricanes and the Kings,
and I think it might be my first parlay that
I've given out all season long so far. I'll tell
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you what I wish, I just took both teams on
the puck line because they both easily won. But I
think this Kings team I'm actually a big I will
say I'm a bigger fan of this team offense and
their ability than a lot of people seem to. I
feel like a lot of people have given up on
this La Kings team. I like them, and one of
the reasons why I like them is because of the
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depth on their roster. So I would potentially lean towards
the King's side in this one. But carm in five
of their last six games said four or five, we
could say they've gone under the total. A lot of
that has to do with Darzy Kemper, A lot of
that has to do with maybe some of their guys
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like Phil Denot and some other forwards struggling to score.
But I think this is the perfect spot for an over.
You know, I love the first period overs when a
team is off a game in which they were shut out.
I love looking at the overs in general. When a
team is in their first game back after a road trip,
and what do we always say, first game back after
a road trip is different when it's a first team,
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first game back after an unsuccessful road trip, and you know,
the mammoth, we don't know how they're feeling right now overall,
but when it comes down to it, they went lost
six to three against the Sharks, one seven to nothing
against the Ducks, one four to one against the Canucks,
lost nothing against the Flames. It was a tale of
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two different teams here, karm they looked unbelievable against two
teams and they looked not so great against two other teams.
So I leaned towards the over first period over but
it's hard for me not to like the Kings. I
feel like the Kings are one of those teams that
could build momentum off what do they get a touchdown
on the extra points or just the touchdown, just the
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touchdown against the Hawks, So I lean towards their side.
How do you feel right now about the Mammoth over all? Like,
are they a team that like a lot of people
are starting to worry about them and think that maybe
they that they got off to such a hot start,
their shooting percentage was so high and the regression started
to settle in a little bit for this team. What
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do you think with this with this Mammoth team?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Andrew, they're there and obviously no ill will towards them,
but they're the repackaged They're the repackaged Arizona you know,
Coyotes or or whatever you want to call them. Obviously
they added some players which kind of helps them. But
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off to a great start in in a season in
which you know, again, I didn't think they'd make the
playoffs either, But you're missing, like Andrew, quite possibly the
most important betting tool and angle we have for this
game tonight. H And you know what that is if
you go to like I follow the LA Kings. I
follow all the teams on social media, but I know
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on Facebook there's a bunch of pictures of the LA
Kings with their moms, Copatar, Darcy Kemp for Dowdy, They're
all pictures with their moms holding up the jerseys because
it's the mom's trip. I remember, God bless them up there.
Dave Cocin he used to love to try and find
out when the moms trip was because he'd be like,
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there's no way these players want to disappoint their mothers
and during the Christmas season. But I have this question
for the LA Kings organization. It's the mom's trip. You
take them to Florida or Tampa Bay where the weather
is beautiful, Like you're going to Utah, Come on, man,
Like I don't know. Again, no ill will towards Utah.
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But I think the King's first period. Andrew, for me,
you're gonna get them at pretty much even money in
this spot. Come out, try and keep all the moms
happy tonight. And I think it's a bad scheduling spot
for Utah. And I talked to you guys about it
as we entered this month. I said, watch out for
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December because there's gonna be a ton of bad scheduling spots,
back to backs, three games and four nights, four games
and six nights, six and nine nights as the NHL
tries to cram in as many games as they can
before the Olympics. If the Italians ever figure out how
to make the right sized arena. Yeah, but with that.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Taking some heat today here, brother, you're taking some heat.
Utah has some And I said, you know what I
actually heard. It is a pretty nice place. But yeah,
maybe maybe that's why.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I've flown over it. So it's from from above it
looks great.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Maybe that's why the moms go there and the dads
go to Vegas or the dads go to California. The
dads aren't going to Utah. Uh there, So we'll see
Low's kid. Be careful there, man.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna he's putting on Oh my god,
he's putting this four oh one K. We have a
four to one here in Canada, but it is Highway
four one, which is kind of like the highway in LA.
It's not really a highway because it's a parking lot
and you never moved during traffic. But with that said, no, man,
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I've only flown over Utah. I've never actually stopped there,
but I will. I will make a trip to Utah
one of these days. So maybe the leafs or sabers
in Utah like a road trip, or when I'm in Vegas, Dan,
Alexander and I will we'll meet up in Utah and
we'll watch the games. Does Utah have a lacrosse team?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I'm even sure.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, you and I got to go to some playoff
games together. I feel like that could be cool to do,
Like that could be something that we could do together,
film some content, go to some games. And the only
thing that sucks is that we like we'd have to
like pick a spot to stay. Like maybe if it
was like, you know, pick a spot, that's you know
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it's gonna be a best foward to seven series. We
think there's gonna be like at least six games. That way,
we get to go to at least three games uh
in the series, and we just stay in one spot.
We could film puck time together. I feel like we
could do that.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
You know the slats I like.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I like the sound to that. That's good for you
if you go through, like the salt mines. And they
had one in when I was in Currosel, which Wayne
Gretzky butchered the name of during the World Cup draw
on Friday. He called Cursel Coraco and he called North
Macedonia North Macedonia. Wayne popped a couple of Coors Lights
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in the before he came on to that stage. He
must have popped. He must have downed a few Coors
lights before that, because he got a couple of those
names wrong. But uh, yeah, we're not meeting uh for
the Buffalo Sabers making the playoffs anytime soon. I will be,
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I'll I'll probably be uh betting hockey with Dave Cocin
up there before the Sabers make the Stanley Cups.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
So alright, I gotta ask Perlo Purlo, I love you.
We've done shows that. I got to ask you, why
don't you think that the Sabers care about this game?
You think they care more about losing to Edmonton tomorrow night.
That's that's I I'm genuinely wondering, because if they don't
care about this game, then they're gonna have a tough time,
I think against Connor mcjesus tomorrow night, because it's gonna
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be a little bit harder against him than it is
going to be against who Nazem Kadri and the Calby Flames.
That I feel like, if there's one winnable game here.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
But the thing is.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
That De Bean Show says the Savers don't even care
about their season.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
They don't.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
It's uh, it's it's a crazy Uh, it's a crazy thing.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
There. I feel sorry for guys like Tage Thompson, Raspus Dalleen,
the captain, I'm probably the best, one of the best defensemen,
definitely top five defenseman Andrew I think in the league,
obviously cal mccarr being the number one there as far
as that goes. But they're just, uh, it's it's a
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it's a patchwork team. Every year they add like one piece.
It's like trying to put a band aid on a
stab wound. It's just not going to work. At the
Buffalo Sabers ownership is more worried about the Buffalo Bills
than they are about the Buffalo Sabers. But with that said,
we need to move on Detroit and Vancouver. Andrew one
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five on Detroit plus one oh five on one o
four on Vancouver six and a half.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Is this one of.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Those simple ones where I just say to myself, hey self, Detroit, Sorry,
the Vancouver overs keep coming in. Let's keep playing them
lanking in and should be in goal tonight for them.
Minus one twenty five on Detroit. Do you take Detroit
or do you lean to the total here?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, carm I think this might be my first team
total of the day that I've brought up here because
I think that over three and a half fits in
that threshold that I really like. DK is showing plus
one ten. So this is my first team total bet
of the show for the day here over three and
a half goals plus one ten for the Red Wings. Karen,
we saw a couple games in a row actually where
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the Vancouver Canucks went under the total, and trust me,
I know one of them because it was Friday night
and I was not happy when Utah won. I think
what four to one against Vancouver. We always say it
takes two to ten go, and Utah was ten going
by themselves because they didn't have a dance partner. So
I think Detroit here in this spot. I like the
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way their offense is moving, and overall, there's just too
much going on right now with this Vancouver team. The
distractions are starting to get to this team, and I
just don't trust their defensive numbers. So Detroit over three
and a half, I think is a really good spot.
And carm I just want to say, for all the
hockey fans out there, not just the sports betters, I
am so fed up with the Quinn Hughes situation in Vancouver.
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I'm tired of seeing it. I'm tired of hearing about it.
Like this is starting to remind me of some Lebron
James and his son going to the Lakers situation. If
you guys want him to play with his brothers, just
trade him to New Jersey and let's get on with it.
I'm starting to get tired. If you want Quinn, Luke
and Jack to all play on the same team, and
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he's not gonna get traded to anybody else besides the Devils,
and he's gonna they're gonna lose him in free agency
either way. Karm then just let him go to the devils.
I mean, this is starting to remind me of what
is this a family documentary here? Like, Okay, Quinn, you
don't like being in Vancouver anymore? We're all talking about
Like then he says he does. He doesn't care about
what everyone's saying. It's like, yeah, dude, you don't really
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look that committed to all of us though you're monotone
all the time. You always look sad. Let's move on
with him, and I think, Karen, they need to trade
him to get assets because if they let him walk
in free agency, they're gonna be the biggest bozos in
the NHL. If they don't get anything for him, it'll
be the Mitch Murner situation all over again. You know
what did the Leafs get for Mitch Murner? Cap space.
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That's all I get they got was cap space for him.
I think Quinn Hughes has.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
To go Andrew. It's such a heated debate. My thoughts
on the whole Quinn Houston is exactly the same as
the Sabers thoughts on their season. I don't care Honestly, listen,
these are overpaid athletes, okay that complain because they want
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the right situation. And it goes back to the days
of you know, one of Canada's own Eric Lindross getting
traded or sorry, get getting drafted and before the draft
saying to one of the teams, don't draft me because
I'm not gonna play for you. Him and his dad
and they were adamant about it. So it is we
put too much stocking. What the players think it's to
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just play the game that you're getting paid to play.
These guys don't care about I'm not gonna say everyone,
but some of these players do not care about winning
the Stanley Cup. They care about collecting that bag of
money and setting up their families for the rest of
their lives.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Sure, if you're a Canadian and to the point, maybe
a US guy that grew up watching hockey and seeing
some of your heroes lift that Stanley Cup, it's what
you want to do. But at the end of the day,
there are so many people that fail in winning the
Stanley Cup and very few that actually get to lift
it that the more important thing is making money, and
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that's what it comes down to.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So that's the business we're in, carm that's the business
we are in. I like this one here from the
Bean Show says, just because they're Brea doesn't mean they're
going to automatically get chemistry and points on the ice. Exactly. Yeah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Like, there's there's been, there's been brothers before Andrew, like
the Stasny brothers back in Quebec and then the was
it the Sundeen.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
They're the best brothers. Man, those guys were awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
You know what I mean. And they refuse, they refuse
to get traded unless they were both traded to the
same team. Yeah again with another in Vancouver and stuff.
So you know, it is at the end of the day,
is what it is. You look at you know, it's
the markets that they play for. You look at the
Vegas Golden Knights and the Toronto Mape beliefs, you know,
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I mean the whole Mitch Martyr thing. He is overjoyed,
overjoyed to be in Vegas right now and the Leaves
could be in first place and he would not care
because he is not under the same media and fan
scrutiny as he was in Toronto. The guy was making
guys was putting up one hundred points. And yeah, you
want to hang not winning in the playoffs on one player,
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Maybe hang it on your best player, who is supposed
to be Austin Matthews and not for sure Mitch Martner.
But he's loving his time in Vegas. God bless him.
He got his money happy there, he's playing on a team,
his family's happy, he's happy. It's all that you can
ask for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Well, I just come in here from Bruce Fesser. Here,
he says, look at the goalies here, last five games. Look,
Lankinin has an eight eight to one save percentage. Talbot
has an eight eight three save percentage. Two goalies that
I would not want to take an under. And that's all.
I'm gonna say. Two goalies that I would not want
to take an under. And that's for sure. So Karen Overall,
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you know, I know Brian has talked about how lately
it's not as much about the goalies about the team.
But I think these days in the NHL, we've seen
like the one A one B become a lot more popular.
Like you know, like when I was younger, the backup
goalie didn't play nearly as much right and the backup
goalies are playing a lot more now, so I feel
like we can take advantage of that from a betting perspective,
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whether it's betting on the team because you get better
odds or just fading in the backup goalies because they're
just much different. And I feel like that's the case
in some of these games right now these days.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, it's Andrew. I'm telling you, December. Unless you guys
absolutely love a number overnight, do not play it unless
you've gone through the goaltending rotation for teams to make
sure that they're not on the first of a back
to back or in a second of a back to
back and you're gonna end up with the backup goalie.
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There are sites that will show you that make sure
it's not a bad scheduling spot. There's gonna be a
lot of bad scheduling spots. Yesterday, I had one play
in the NHL Andrew four percent play on Anaheim in regulation.
I knew that they were gonna win in regulation, and
I was certain they were gonna win in regulation. I
didn't know that was definitely gonna happen, but I would
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have taken the place plan as well too. It was
such a bad scheduling spot for Chicago, even though they
spent two days in LA playing the Kings back to back.
You knew that it wasn't going to be Spencer night
and goalie played the first three games of the road trip.
You knew it was going to be arvid a solder
bloom and you can find that on different sites. And
it just and you had the Ducks coming off of
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a huge win for them, a bounce back win after
losing seven nothing at home to Washington or losing seven
seven nothing at home to Utah to beat Washington and
OT and that was a team that was red hot,
so they're back on rails. And I just thought it
was a great spot lay a buck thirty or whatever
it was, and it was a no brainer. It was
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like five to nothing at the end of the second period.
I didn't even have to watch the game. But with
that said, Andrew, I need a no brainer as far
as like same game parlay as go to you got one.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Carl, I've got three picks for you here. I'm just
trying to bring up my same game having trouble loading,
and I'm actually gonna go to you first, having trouble
loading right, He's gonna go to me.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
We are going to do the pod uh, and it's
gonna go back to the original game that the press
broke down, which is Tampa Bay and Toronto. I really
like Tampa Bay in the spot. I think they they're favored.
They should be favored in this game. And that is
even with the fact that it likely it's going to
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be Uh. He'll to be for Toronto. He's confirmed. Jonics
hoy Hansen Johansson could be the starter for Tampa. For me,
it's difference between Johansson and Vasileski. While it might sound huge,
it is how Tampa Bay is playing in front of
their goalies that really matters. And it's a Tampa team.
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Andrew like, when I look at this Tampa de Bay
team right now, it is a team that I think
it is a great bounce back for spot for them
playing against the Toronto Maple Leafs. I think their last
game they drop a result. Let me just find it
here to the New York Islanders. You look at this
team thus far, they lose to nothing to the Islanders,
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they lose four to three to Pittsburgh at home, and
they lost to the Islanders again two to one. This
is a team that is still playing well in front
of their goalie, just not scoring some goals. But it's
a team that whenever they play the Leafs, they find scoring.
And this is one of the reasons why I like them.
In this spot, you're getting minus one fifteen. It's it's
steamed a little bit to minus one eighteen. It's gonna
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hover around there. It's not gonna go that much higher.
But this is the play I like today. I'm gonna
go with Tampa Bay try and continue to win with
these pod plays. Minus one fifteen in this one with
Tampa Bay against the Toronto Maple Leafs. Let's see if
we can continue to build that. We're up a decent
amount sixty four forty seven on this pod play. So
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with that said, Andrew, go Lightning.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
You've been cashing tickets like that one there, Karmen, and
you know what, they're getting healthier. I think that they
should be fine. As long as Bradon points out there
for you, I think you should be good. I don't
know what the deal is injury.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
If he's iffy right now, he's iffy right now. I
didn't see any notes from the morning skate as of yet,
and I did well. Prez was talking. I did message
someone to see if he was on the ice for
the morning skate and didn't hear back. I just heard
that Hill to Be was going to be starting, was
the only text that I got back, So we shall see.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yeah, it's gonna be a good one here, Karen. I'm
looking forward to watching that game. Although because the Montreal
Canadians aren't playing tonight, I have committed to a Christmas
movie with the girlfriend. I told her on nights that
the Canadians aren't playing, you can book me for some
Christmas movies. That's the rule in the household. So one
TV Monday Night Football, one TV Christmas movies, and one
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TV Lightning and Leaves.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
And now it's time for the same game. Product Party
brought to you by the Hallmark Channel is like a
Hallmark channel where yeah, steam actors and they just it's
like the dice thing. They just shake it up and
roll it out. And it's some guy who comes back
to his hometown at Christmas time and meets his sweetheart
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from high school or university and feeling business. He's got money,
and they get back together again somehow.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
You know, what. I hope it's Elf from Lost Kid,
one of them pull buddies nerd Fix, says die Hard.
I think tonight might be keeping it simple, home alone,
Home alone. I think Elf has to be closer to Christmas.
Elf might have to be closer to Christmas. All right,
I'm going to get Carmine out of here for a second,
and I'm going to go to three player props that
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I like for tonight. These are good head to head matchups. Guys.
This is not exactly a same game parlay. I mean
you can same game parlay two of these. Victor Headman
anytime assist plus one twenty, whether it's five on five
or it's on the power play. Headman has a very
very good track record against the Maple Leafs, and man,
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I just love this price of plus one twenty six.
Speaking of guys that have good head to head track records,
over two and a half shots on goal for William Kneelander. Look,
I don't care what anybody says right now about Austin Matthews.
William Knelander is the guy on the Maple Leafs right now.
He's the guy shooting all the big shots. He's the
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guy creating chances. He's the guy tying the game with
dying minutes to go. He is the number one shooter
on this team. Over two and a half shots on
goal in his career. He has had a ton of
success against the Tampa Bay Lightning. Now we have the
Seattle Kracking in the Minnesota Wild. And here's the deal here.
This kracking team has minimal offensive production. They are constantly
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searching for production on the offensive end. But sometimes certain
players just play well against certain teams. And whether it's
a little bit of a sprink on goal scoring prop
or whether it's a shots on goalprop. Jared McCann over
two and a half shots on goal plus one oh
five against the Minnesota Wild. So three player props. These
can all be singled. Guys, we can put these in
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a three game set, but these can all be singled
as well. Headman assist, kneelanders shots and McCann shots on goal.
And I will just lead off with this here, Karen,
is that I do have a four percent best bet
up in NFL for player props. My best bet player
props are now eight and two. My last ten. We
had mahomes over on his rushing props last night he
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went over by about thirty thirty five yards. So unfortunately
it was not a great day overall NFL yesterday where
the player props keep doing very very well overall, especially
the best bets, So don't miss that at wager Talk, guys,
and two plays I like in the NHL. So that's
it for me, Karen, looking forward to a really good night.
Let's keep it going. Let's stay hot.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Andrew, only one play for me tonight in the NHL
A four percent best bets, So let's see if we
can get another four percent best bets have been a
winning NHL season for me. I want to keep that
run going, Andrew, I'm not sure if you saw this,
and that's the only play. As far as the football
game tonight, I have the Eagles in my circa. I
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was three to zero going into that KC game last
night with my five circa picks with Casey left and
the Philadelphia Eagles. Casey disappointed, but I would love to
go four and one and move closer to the money
as the season winds down. But one play in the NHL.
You can find that over and then at Wager TALKWT
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do buzz backslash CB, I will have my customer appreciation
plays up Shortly, I have to make a quick run
to the doctors, but after that I will have those
plays up. Andrew, I'm not sure if you saw the
breaking news that is going on right now, but you
might want to watch the news. There's been a shooting
at the Knakatomi Towers. Hopefully everybody is okay there. I'm
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not sure if you saw that news come across the wire, Andrew.
I think the Montreal Canadians have stayed there a few
times when staying in LA. But to everyone else, have
a great night tonight. We'll see you tomorrow. The press
and Brian Leonard on tomorrow's show Buster returns on Wednesday.
This is puck time. Hit THATG button on your way
out and have a great betting day.
Happy Monday, guys. Welcome to pun Time on wager Talk TV.
We've got sides, we've got totals, we've got props, we've
got best bets for you in the NHL betting board
for Monday night. Of course, I'm Andrew. I've got the
pres and Carmine with me to break down a handful
of games here today. Carm Good morning, Happy Monday. What
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games are we talking about today? Brother?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hello Andrew, Good morning to you, sir. We are going
to talk. There's not a lot of games tonight, but
we're gonna talk about four of them. The Prez is
going to be on shortly talk about Tampa Bay and Toronto,
a team that he very rarely breaks down, but we'll
have him on the show talking about it. He's been
pretty good in breaking down leaf games, so listen to
what he says on that one. The Sabers and the
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Calgary Flames, Ellie Kings, Utah, and then Detroit and Vancouver
will cap it off for us. Andrew, same game parlay
hopefully in and a pod play. Pod Play continues to win.
The six and sixty went either went two two and
two or three two and one, depending on whether you
got five and a half in the Vancouver game against
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Wallstead and Minnesota. That game landed on six. I got
five and a half, so I in my mind, I
went three, two and one and Andrew almost a perfect
day for me. And this is the part that sucks.
I win a two four percent plays one an NHL
with Anaheim, a horrible scheduling spot for Chicago, and Anaheim
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wins at seven to one. And then the over and
the Bills game. People messaging me, krm, you still like
because it was the customer appreciation day? You still like that?
I go the snow does not matter. The Bills have
no defense, Tampa Bay had, Sorry, Cincinnati has no defense.
They're gonna score at least sixty in that game, and
I think they scored seventy, So it did not matter
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to me. I was at a baptism Andrew in a
Portuguese church. I'm sitting at the back as an Italian,
and I'm streaming the game on my phone at church.
It is what you do.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
The Holy One.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
He probably found out and then mushed my play five
loser on the Kansas City Chiefs. Patrick mahomes see you later.
You're not making the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Guys are dead to me. Kansas City Chiefs, You're dead
to me.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
But with that, the opposite car My day was the
absolute opposite. I was sweating out picks on End Zone
Live with Pres and Company, and I went I think
zero to four on the afternoon slate of my props.
But I didn't have any best bets on the slate.
I had a four percent Sunday Night Football mahomes over
on rushing yards and I hit that. So it's like,
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you know, if I'm gonna go one and four, I
at least wanted the one to be the bigger one.
But I'm still not happy because I was on a
so that's such a great prop run. I'm still on
a great prop run, but you know, pardon me, was
like a dude, you probably shouldn't have put out that
many plays. But at the very least, I'm happy the
big one hit eight and two. Best bet run with
the props. But it kind of sucks when you you
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don't really know how to feel like I went one
to four. I'm like, at least the big one hit I.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
And that's the thing is I have a winning day
overall for anyone who was like the all access or whatever.
But you have you lose, like you win two four percent,
you lose a five, and you should be happy because
you have a profitable day. But you know that people
only buy like the fives sometimes, and that's the part
that sucks. And just before we bring in press at
the baptism, which was for my niece's kid, we have
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dinner afterwards on Young Street in Toronto at a place
called Stock and Andrew. It was the weirdest thing for me,
but it's because it does happen. But towards the end
of the night or the evening or whatever the dinner,
one of the one of the weight staff or whatever,
the waiters or bartenders comes over to me. He goes,
he goes, hey, question. I'm like, well, yeah, what's up.
(04:01):
He goes, are you Carmin and Bianco like yes, I am,
and he goes, oh my god, I love wager talk.
He goes, I watch wager talk. I watched puck time.
He goes, you've taught me to stay away from parlays
and to play straight game wagers. And he goes, I'm
making money betting straight like you're just straight plays. And
that actually made me feel good in the sense of
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not being recognized or what have you. But that someone
veers away from parlays and is straight betting games and
now making money and realizes that that is how you
build your bankroll. And with that said, let's bring in
another straight guy, the Press, who hosted a poker poker
cash game on Friday where he graciously took most of
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my money and smiled while doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Press, Good morning, Press, how are you boys?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So I hear, I hear we're complaining a bit about
our losses. So I went five and two in NFL
yesterday from clients, and that five and two I'm supposed
to celebrate, except I lost a par money line parlay
with Tampa Bay and I lost the under in the
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Denver game by half a point on probably the worst
beat I would say ever, I have zero recollection of
a worse beat than anybody who was sitting on Denver
and the under in that game. That is as bad
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as it gets.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That's tough. That is tough.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
But it does show that Pete Carroll knows the line
and cares about his fan base because.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Didn't, uh, well, I'm gonna play devil.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
What did he Sean McVay do that last year where
I think it was last season where he kicks a
field goal or something like that and says, so it
lands on like seven or something like that, and the
line was seven or seven and a half and he's like,
it's about points or so miscommon at the end was
why he went for a field going He talked about
it's about points.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, but the Raiders their their first draft first three,
the top three draft picks are based on points.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I find what I'm talking about a similar situation last year.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah. Yeah, put yourself in someone's shoes that doesn't know betting,
like anyone that doesn't follow betting. What would they be
thinking of that? Oh? I just wanted to score three points,
I guess, or.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
The reason whatsoever instead of giving Kenny Pickett, who's been
sitting on the bench, a chance to have one glorious moment.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Right, like a Hail Mary or something like that. Yeah, definitely,
all right, Press, Well, you know what it is? Prime
Monday night hockey in Canada is a regular Monday in America.
But where where did.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
We last leave all of your listeners? We last left
all of your listeners with me on Friday telling you
guys that I had the play of plays the run
of runs, the streak of streaks, the bet of bets.
I announced into the camera on my record, I told
you guys there was no play stronger. I implored, begged
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and pleaded with you to buy it. You did. You
came through from me, and I paid you back with
an easy dub. I also last left the show screaming
in the mike on my way out the door to
bet the Toronto and Montreal game under. Thank you for
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that too, Prez, and I am here to say again,
we are sticking to the plan. We are betting the
leaf game under. I understand that the Hilloughby might be
a net for the Leafs or maybe even some guy
that nobody knows. I don't care. The plan is to
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bet the Leafs under. You can get a six and
a half out there in a few books. Bay is
a team that I'm looking to bet under all the time.
They just lost two nothing to the New York Islanders.
This is a team that's held their opponents to one, two,
three or five, six seven games. Seven games in their
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last ten, they've held their opponents to two or less.
This is I'm not overthinking this year. And just to
let you guys all know this is a client play. Yes,
that's what I do. It's the under in the Toronto
Tampa Bay game. And I do lean on the Leaf slightly,
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just slightly, But I don't like the spot or Tampa
Bay to play against Tampa Bay. They've lost three games
in a row. So I am concerned.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And I'll make you feel good. It's not a backup goalie.
I got a message from someone who's at the marking skates.
How's it not about? And hill Deby is starting tonight.
He was in here right, I think, so he should
be confirmed in the next half hour, so as just
starting goalie for a time.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Just for the record everybody out there, and because I
know karm is a Buffalo Sabers fan and not a
Leaf fan. The goaltender tonight for the Leaves is a
backup goalie. He's actually the third goalie, so he will
be divided as a backup to the backup.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But you said we might see a fourth string goalie,
Well we're not.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, third stringer, but he's sits with Evan and he's looking.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Deals with Andrew. Their goalies are made out of tissue paper.
A lot of the times wet. They just keep getting
injured and it is a tough spot. But Pres, I
get it. They're playing well defensively going into Carolina and
pretty much shutting down the Canes going into Florida, beating
Florida game against Montreal. I thought it was a bad
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spot for the Leafs. I talked about it on Friday
dead and Montreal got the victory. That's why Andrew is
smiling this morning. He just loves it when the Canadians
can beat up on the Lease.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Pres.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Before you promote, man, why did you take my money
on Friday?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I tried not to. Karm I made.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You bet the river one hundred and forty bucks on
the river. He's like KRM, and he just he sold it.
He sold it so well. This is why Prez is
a good poker player. He sold it so well that
he had to take money from a guy who who
was eating Ramen soup seven days a week so he
could have another ragu wago whatever steak.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Anyways, you know, car there's there's a reason I eat
wagou and you eat ramen noodles. Anyway, thanks for having
me on, everybody, What do you have to promote? Yeah,
so I got I got a big play in the
NFL game tonight, which I love. Actually, so my second
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strongest play of the entire NFL card. And I've had
a monster week in the NFL. I won Sunday, I
won Monday. I am I mean on Thursday. I'm killing
it in the NFL. So yeah, I got a four
percent bet up tonight. In the NFL, I most some
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of the handicappers have four percent plays every night, which
is totally reasonable. I've had fifty percent plays in the
entire calendar year. Ninety percent of my plays are two
and three percent plays. So when I do have a
five percent bet, it's a must bet play. And I
won my five percent already this week in NFL. So yeah,
(11:44):
I got a four percent play up for my clients.
I got one NBA one college jobs and two hockey bets.
You can get them all over at wagtalk dot com.
Lots of love everybody, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Guys later President. Oh nobody, Andrew, did you see that card?
There's just nobody on the screen.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
There's like no one on the screen.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Andrew.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
We're going to talk about obviously, we're going to talk
about the Sabers and the flames up next. I don't
get it. The Sabers on the road continue to get money,
and I don't understand why is the team that has
like what two road winds or three road winds on
the season. We saw it against Philadelphia. I like the total,
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not one more than I did the Sabers, but they
took money. This was minus one twenty originally for Calgary
and now it's down to one ten both ways. And
the Flames are playing well at home, really respectable. They're
accumulating wins they have any of their losses have been
like I think one goal losses. This is the team
that's playing extremely well. It's like one ten and six.
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And for TJ. Salvador, who's gonna probably pop into our
live chat, it should be Uka Peca Lucan in goal tonight. There,
I pronounced it once again for you, but it doesn't
mean I want you to play the Sabers because I
pronounced his name correctly. Andrew, how are you going to
play this game?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Well, okarm you're kind of setting me up, making me
feel weird if I take Buffalo here with everything he
said there, you do what you want to do.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I have no idea how to play this game, which
is why I'm going to you first.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
All right. You know, I kind of like the Buffalo
side here, and honestly, a lot of the reason is
kind of just looking at I hate to say it,
but looking at some of the Flames wins and kind
of how they've been winning, you know, lately, I'm not
really buying what they're selling to me. You know, Like
even that win over the Mammoth, it was a pretty
good spot for them. They played some good defense. That
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number against the Wild was very, very fishy, and it
was almost as fishy as the number is today against Buffalo. Now,
when you look at Buffalo, the one thing that you
can trust is their offense. And somebody actually sent me
a message on Twitter yesterday or it was tweeted at
me and said, when you have two teams going against
each other, one team is an over team and one
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team's an under team, how do you approach that? How
do you find out if you like the over or
the under in that game? And Garden, My answer was,
you pick the better team. And I know it might
be hard right now to figure out which team is
better between these two teams, but I still think because
of the offensive, you know, ability, and it can different
weapons and the power play that Buffalo brings. They're gonna
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bring a different level, I think to this game than
the Calgary Flames can. And I think when you look
at this Sabers team, I know that they've been on
and off overall, but I still trust them to score
some goals. Now. They haven't played since Friday, and I
kind of like that, especially since they're coming off of
four to one loss. They will not be happy. And
the funny thing is they beat the Jets five to
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one and then on Friday, and I think we talked
about this on the show on Friday. Oh no, I
wasn't on with you on Friday, so I haven't seen
you in a couple of days. It was a very
very simple, rapid revenge spot because they had lost to Winnipeg.
Are they at beat Winnipeg just a few days before that?
So I think you get a couple of days to
be upset about it. You kind of get to sit
and stew and then you get out and keep that
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road tip going. Let's not act like the fact that
this is a road trip and a road game. It's
that difficult for them because they haven't played since Friday,
so it's a couple of days off for them, and
I think this is kind of where this Calgary Flames
team gets a little bit humbled. I'm acting like they're
on a big street here, Karen. But they've only won
two games in a row, the Calgary Flames. But this
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number kind of tells us. I feel like with the Flames,
the books have kind of dictated if you read the
market the way we should be, we've kind of been
able to just read how the books feel about these games.
We saw that game for the Flames against the Wild.
The Wild were minus one twenty five. That told me
it was a wild flame spot. Now with this one, like, karm,
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are they implying that right now tonight on a neutral site,
we're getting you know, minus one twenty one twenty five
here for the Sabers. What do you think? Because based
on this number, I'm willing to take Buffalo. How to
pick them? Uh?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Andrew? I wish I could. I wish I could play.
It is such it's such a weird game for me,
Like you look at Calgary and I get it. These
are two teams at the end of the season, much
like I said at the beginning, and people were saying
that this is the year the Savers make the playoffs. No,
it's not the year the Savers make the playoffs. And
I said it right from the get go, but people
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were predicting the Savers make the playoffs and I just
did not see it. These are two teams that are
not gonna make the playoffs this season. But when you
look at you know, sort of the home and away splits,
it is one where the line becomes fishy because the
Savers don't win on the road. They haven't done so
it doesn't mean they can't do it tonight. But then
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you look at the Calgary Flames and you know, look
at their last ten games. They've gone six two and
two the two loss Two of the losses were to
Winnipeg by a goal one in O T and on
a two to one another OT loss as well too.
And then the only bad game that you can say
they played was a four nothing loss to the Chicago Blackhawks.
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That is the only multi goal game that they've lost
at home in that so you know, the price. Unfortunately,
Andrew at minus won ten both ways. Makes it that
the money line even if you or sorry, the puck line,
if you want to take Calgary plus one and a half.
You're paying about dollars sixty or dollars seventy. It's just
not worth it as well too. It is a weird one.
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If anything, I would probably lean to the under here
in this one. Uh, you know, with two good goalies.
The last game that they played in Buffalo, Calgary beat them.
I don't This is one spot where outside of the conference,
like a non conference game, I don't look at that
the as they call it, the rapid revenge factor coming
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into this one. Andrew, it's just Sabers lost six to
the Calgary and they're gonna they're gonna this road trip
and playing Calgary and see how they do. I'm going
to lean the under here if it gets the seven.
By all means, it's not making my card, guys, I
can tell you that much. There's better games on the
card to bet than one in which you're struggling to
find the right side. When you're struggling to find the
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right side, normally you end up making the wrong decision
for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
One hund. That's how I feel about some of these
games where you just kind of look back and you're like, ah,
I'll just stay away. Karl I wanted to mention this
is the front half. I apologize if you already mentioned this,
but front half of back to back for Buffalo. So
I feel like on these Monday slates, Wednesday slates, and
Friday slates, it's important to look for the front which
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teams are playing again tomorrow, right, or you know on Saturdays,
which team played on on Friday, because I think it's
that much more important, like if you're Buffalo, right, Sometimes
we use the expression scheduled loss, you know, like if
a team is uh playing their third game in four nights,
or they've had a busy schedule, or you know, they
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have these two I remember when the Montreal Canadians had
a three game roadship. They played against Utah, Vegas and
then Colorado, Karen, which one do you think was the
scheduled loss? Colorado? Right? And they got their asses kicked
on the Saturday against Colorado. So if you're if you're
the Buffalo Sabers going into this two game set, which
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game do you think is more winnable against Calgary or
against Edmonton? Right?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, you would obviously think the Calgary game is is
the winnable one, But honestly, it would not surprise me
and You're absolutely right with that, Andrew. It would not
surprise me if they go zero to two, because you
look at what they've done so far, and that's all
we have is the data that is presented to us
at times. And Sabers have two road wins and both
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of them came in OT and one of them came
against Detroit in Detroit where the Red Wings fell apart
in that game, and then the other one came in
a horrible scheduling spot for Minnesota where actually took the
Sabers with only one road win in Minnesota like plus
one thirty ish, because Minnesota just came off a game
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in which it was like they won the Stanley Cup.
They beat the Calgary Sorry, they beat the Colorado Avalanche,
who were just flying at the time, and they beat
them in OT or a shootout, I'm not sure which
one it was. Again, And those are the only two
only wins by the Sabers. They haven't beaten a team
in regulation on the road this season. And if you're
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handicapping involves the dow factor or the must win, then
you're not handicapping the game. You have to have more
data and definitive numbers that are in your favor in
order to take a game like this any other team
other than Calgary that the Sabers are playing tonight. Given
their record and their road record, the Sabers are not
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a prohibitive underdog, but they're at least minus one fifty.
What do you think the Edmonton Oilers are going to
be in the second half of the back to back. Well,
that's what I'm.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Let's make money on both games. I think that I
like I like the Sabers tonight, as I mentioned, and
I think that if I like the Sabers, and if
the Sabers win tonight, it helps my case even more
for taking the Oilers tomorrow. We talk a lot about
fading teams second half of back to back off wins,
like it's almost been more profitable these days to take
a team, uh, fade them after they've won a game
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than even awful loss. So uh, I mean, look at
look at what Edmonton did over the weekend. Like everyone's
saying the Oilers are back, the Oilers are back. This
team looks like they're back here, carm and then now
what they're going to get the Buffalo Sabers second half
of a back to back. I mean that's a pretty
good spot if you're the Edmonton Oilers and all of
a sudden they start piling up those those wins. So
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this is why I love talking about these games, Carl,
because everybody wants to talk about the Torontos and the
Tampa Bays. But I think this game is super interesting.
So guys, let us know in the comments after the show,
what you think Sabers Flames. What do you think about
the line? Like Karen, for me, the pick'm price tells
me all I have to know. I know Calvary's not
a wagon, but I'm going to take that. Maybe it's
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not a fishy line, but I do think that, like,
what is this number if it's in Buffalo tonight. That's
what I want to know. I want to have an
odds maker in front of me to tell me what
this number is if it's in Buffalo tonight, because if
this is a Pickham right now, front half of the
back to back, I think this is a really important
game for Buffalo. We'll see if.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
This isn't if this was in Buffalo, and I think
I can't go back to look at that game, but
the game that was in Buffalo, I'm pretty sure the
Sabers not a prohibitive favorite, but they were about one
fifty ish one sixty ish at the very least.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Okay in that game.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And to the guy who wast is.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
The do.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
The must win or their due the same as the
same as regression. It's not because you can find regression
based on analytic numbers in which a team, much like
I said at the beginning of the season with the Rangers,
creating goal scoring chances but not scoring goals. Eventually, once
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they start to go in, if those numbers remain consistent,
they're going to start to win games, and they did. Conversely,
if a team's high danger chances, if a team's expected
goals are decreasing, that's a team but they're still winning games,
that's a team that and they weren't expected to win games,
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kind of like the Boston Bruins, the Pittsburgh Penguins. Those
are teams that regression is going to set in. So
regression I don't think ever sets in for good teams. Andrew,
like you know, the Colorado Avalanche, UH playing phenomenal, but
they're gonna lose two, three, maybe even four games in
a row at one point. That to me is not regression.
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That is just it is just a good team that
isn't getting the results completely different.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, you have to look at the.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Numbers and analytics and watch the teams even their x G.
If you're not into doing data mining and looking at analytics,
then you're gonna rely on clicking on the standings and saying, Okay,
this team's one seven of ten, I'm gonna take them
because they're by a team that's two and eight.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
It's like what Yanni in the summer card. Right with
the baseball the bad teams in baseball are gonna win?
How many games? Yeah, forty forty games, fifty games? How many?
How many games are the bad? The word how many
games did the Miami Marlins win this season in the MLB?
It tells you all you have to know, right, the
Colorado Avalanche are a great team. They're not gonna win
every single night out there. So it is you know, Andrew,
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and you're right, U.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
The sort of like the correlation are using like baseball,
think of a team and it's a perfect example is
think of a team in baseball and one hundred and
sixty two game schedule where their win total is eighty one.
That is telling you that this team is going to
play fifty to fifty. The books are figuring they're not
going to win more than eighty one games pretty much.
That's the number that they've put it at. And now
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you're relying on trying to pick winners and times to
take this team and times to fade this team. It
is extremely tough. And I'm just using that as a
small example. You don't want to look at win totals
and try and come up with why you should play
on or against a team. But in baseball, if a
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team is winning games and there's I won't call it luck,
but they're outplaying their numbers, at some point that regression
will hit and they're bet against teams for sure. But
with that said, Andrew, are any of these teams bet
against teams? The La Kings Utah I wanted to call
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them the Utah Jazz for a second. We're all over
the place, the Mammoth, the Utah Mammoth one minus one
nineteen minus one all two man. That was a huge
Karl Malone and John Stockton fan for the Utah Jazz
back in the day. The Mailman minus one nineteen minus
one O two on the Kings five and a half
to total. How you playing this one?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah? This is this is kind of the first game
back after the road trip kind of angle here, Karen.
But the funny thing is about this angle is that
it kind of presents two different things for us. It's
the first game back after a road trip angle, but
it's also the one team is off a shutout angle.
So it's kind of like two sides of the coin here.
How do we approach it? One team was off a
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crappy effort. One team, you know, hey, maybe maybe they're
going to be in a tough situational spot now. When
it comes to the La Kings, I had a mediocre
weekend carn But one of the bets that I'm made actually,
I had a parlay with the Hurricanes and the Kings,
and I think it might be my first parlay that
I've given out all season long so far. I'll tell
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you what I wish, I just took both teams on
the puck line because they both easily won. But I
think this Kings team I'm actually a big I will
say I'm a bigger fan of this team offense and
their ability than a lot of people seem to. I
feel like a lot of people have given up on
this La Kings team. I like them, and one of
the reasons why I like them is because of the
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depth on their roster. So I would potentially lean towards
the King's side in this one. But carm in five
of their last six games said four or five, we
could say they've gone under the total. A lot of
that has to do with Darzy Kemper, A lot of
that has to do with maybe some of their guys
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like Phil Denot and some other forwards struggling to score.
But I think this is the perfect spot for an over.
You know, I love the first period overs when a
team is off a game in which they were shut out.
I love looking at the overs in general. When a
team is in their first game back after a road trip,
and what do we always say, first game back after
a road trip is different when it's a first team,
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first game back after an unsuccessful road trip, and you know,
the mammoth, we don't know how they're feeling right now overall,
but when it comes down to it, they went lost
six to three against the Sharks, one seven to nothing
against the Ducks, one four to one against the Canucks,
lost nothing against the Flames. It was a tale of
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two different teams here, karm they looked unbelievable against two
teams and they looked not so great against two other teams.
So I leaned towards the over first period over but
it's hard for me not to like the Kings. I
feel like the Kings are one of those teams that
could build momentum off what do they get a touchdown
on the extra points or just the touchdown, just the
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touchdown against the Hawks, So I lean towards their side.
How do you feel right now about the Mammoth over all? Like,
are they a team that like a lot of people
are starting to worry about them and think that maybe
they that they got off to such a hot start,
their shooting percentage was so high and the regression started
to settle in a little bit for this team. What
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do you think with this with this Mammoth team?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Andrew, they're there and obviously no ill will towards them,
but they're the repackaged They're the repackaged Arizona you know,
Coyotes or or whatever you want to call them. Obviously
they added some players which kind of helps them. But
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off to a great start in in a season in
which you know, again, I didn't think they'd make the
playoffs either, But you're missing, like Andrew, quite possibly the
most important betting tool and angle we have for this
game tonight. H And you know what that is if
you go to like I follow the LA Kings. I
follow all the teams on social media, but I know
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on Facebook there's a bunch of pictures of the LA
Kings with their moms, Copatar, Darcy Kemp for Dowdy, They're
all pictures with their moms holding up the jerseys because
it's the mom's trip. I remember, God bless them up there.
Dave Cocin he used to love to try and find
out when the moms trip was because he'd be like,
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there's no way these players want to disappoint their mothers
and during the Christmas season. But I have this question
for the LA Kings organization. It's the mom's trip. You
take them to Florida or Tampa Bay where the weather
is beautiful, Like you're going to Utah, Come on, man,
Like I don't know. Again, no ill will towards Utah.
(30:45):
But I think the King's first period. Andrew, for me,
you're gonna get them at pretty much even money in
this spot. Come out, try and keep all the moms
happy tonight. And I think it's a bad scheduling spot
for Utah. And I talked to you guys about it
as we entered this month. I said, watch out for
(31:05):
December because there's gonna be a ton of bad scheduling spots,
back to backs, three games and four nights, four games
and six nights, six and nine nights as the NHL
tries to cram in as many games as they can
before the Olympics. If the Italians ever figure out how
to make the right sized arena. Yeah, but with that.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Taking some heat today here, brother, you're taking some heat.
Utah has some And I said, you know what I
actually heard. It is a pretty nice place. But yeah,
maybe maybe that's why.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I've flown over it. So it's from from above it
looks great.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Maybe that's why the moms go there and the dads
go to Vegas or the dads go to California. The
dads aren't going to Utah. Uh there, So we'll see
Low's kid. Be careful there, man.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna he's putting on Oh my god,
he's putting this four oh one K. We have a
four to one here in Canada, but it is Highway
four one, which is kind of like the highway in LA.
It's not really a highway because it's a parking lot
and you never moved during traffic. But with that said, no, man,
(32:19):
I've only flown over Utah. I've never actually stopped there,
but I will. I will make a trip to Utah
one of these days. So maybe the leafs or sabers
in Utah like a road trip, or when I'm in Vegas, Dan,
Alexander and I will we'll meet up in Utah and
we'll watch the games. Does Utah have a lacrosse team?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I'm even sure.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, you and I got to go to some playoff
games together. I feel like that could be cool to do,
Like that could be something that we could do together,
film some content, go to some games. And the only
thing that sucks is that we like we'd have to
like pick a spot to stay. Like maybe if it
was like, you know, pick a spot, that's you know
(33:02):
it's gonna be a best foward to seven series. We
think there's gonna be like at least six games. That way,
we get to go to at least three games uh
in the series, and we just stay in one spot.
We could film puck time together. I feel like we
could do that.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
You know the slats I like.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I like the sound to that. That's good for you
if you go through, like the salt mines. And they
had one in when I was in Currosel, which Wayne
Gretzky butchered the name of during the World Cup draw
on Friday. He called Cursel Coraco and he called North
Macedonia North Macedonia. Wayne popped a couple of Coors Lights
(33:39):
in the before he came on to that stage. He
must have popped. He must have downed a few Coors
lights before that, because he got a couple of those
names wrong. But uh, yeah, we're not meeting uh for
the Buffalo Sabers making the playoffs anytime soon. I will be,
(33:59):
I'll I'll probably be uh betting hockey with Dave Cocin
up there before the Sabers make the Stanley Cups.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
So alright, I gotta ask Perlo Purlo, I love you.
We've done shows that. I got to ask you, why
don't you think that the Sabers care about this game?
You think they care more about losing to Edmonton tomorrow night.
That's that's I I'm genuinely wondering, because if they don't
care about this game, then they're gonna have a tough time,
I think against Connor mcjesus tomorrow night, because it's gonna
(34:27):
be a little bit harder against him than it is
going to be against who Nazem Kadri and the Calby Flames.
That I feel like, if there's one winnable game here.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
But the thing is.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
That De Bean Show says the Savers don't even care
about their season.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
They don't.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
It's uh, it's it's a crazy Uh, it's a crazy thing.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
There. I feel sorry for guys like Tage Thompson, Raspus Dalleen,
the captain, I'm probably the best, one of the best defensemen,
definitely top five defenseman Andrew I think in the league,
obviously cal mccarr being the number one there as far
as that goes. But they're just, uh, it's it's a
(35:16):
it's a patchwork team. Every year they add like one piece.
It's like trying to put a band aid on a
stab wound. It's just not going to work. At the
Buffalo Sabers ownership is more worried about the Buffalo Bills
than they are about the Buffalo Sabers. But with that said,
we need to move on Detroit and Vancouver. Andrew one
(35:41):
five on Detroit plus one oh five on one o
four on Vancouver six and a half.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Is this one of.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Those simple ones where I just say to myself, hey self, Detroit, Sorry,
the Vancouver overs keep coming in. Let's keep playing them
lanking in and should be in goal tonight for them.
Minus one twenty five on Detroit. Do you take Detroit
or do you lean to the total here?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, carm I think this might be my first team
total of the day that I've brought up here because
I think that over three and a half fits in
that threshold that I really like. DK is showing plus
one ten. So this is my first team total bet
of the show for the day here over three and
a half goals plus one ten for the Red Wings. Karen,
we saw a couple games in a row actually where
(36:29):
the Vancouver Canucks went under the total, and trust me,
I know one of them because it was Friday night
and I was not happy when Utah won. I think
what four to one against Vancouver. We always say it
takes two to ten go, and Utah was ten going
by themselves because they didn't have a dance partner. So
I think Detroit here in this spot. I like the
(36:52):
way their offense is moving, and overall, there's just too
much going on right now with this Vancouver team. The
distractions are starting to get to this team, and I
just don't trust their defensive numbers. So Detroit over three
and a half, I think is a really good spot.
And carm I just want to say, for all the
hockey fans out there, not just the sports betters, I
am so fed up with the Quinn Hughes situation in Vancouver.
(37:15):
I'm tired of seeing it. I'm tired of hearing about it.
Like this is starting to remind me of some Lebron
James and his son going to the Lakers situation. If
you guys want him to play with his brothers, just
trade him to New Jersey and let's get on with it.
I'm starting to get tired. If you want Quinn, Luke
and Jack to all play on the same team, and
(37:36):
he's not gonna get traded to anybody else besides the Devils,
and he's gonna they're gonna lose him in free agency
either way. Karm then just let him go to the devils.
I mean, this is starting to remind me of what
is this a family documentary here? Like, Okay, Quinn, you
don't like being in Vancouver anymore? We're all talking about
Like then he says he does. He doesn't care about
what everyone's saying. It's like, yeah, dude, you don't really
(37:58):
look that committed to all of us though you're monotone
all the time. You always look sad. Let's move on
with him, and I think, Karen, they need to trade
him to get assets because if they let him walk
in free agency, they're gonna be the biggest bozos in
the NHL. If they don't get anything for him, it'll
be the Mitch Murner situation all over again. You know
what did the Leafs get for Mitch Murner? Cap space.
(38:21):
That's all I get they got was cap space for him.
I think Quinn Hughes has.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
To go Andrew. It's such a heated debate. My thoughts
on the whole Quinn Houston is exactly the same as
the Sabers thoughts on their season. I don't care Honestly, listen,
these are overpaid athletes, okay that complain because they want
(38:46):
the right situation. And it goes back to the days
of you know, one of Canada's own Eric Lindross getting
traded or sorry, get getting drafted and before the draft
saying to one of the teams, don't draft me because
I'm not gonna play for you. Him and his dad
and they were adamant about it. So it is we
put too much stocking. What the players think it's to
(39:10):
just play the game that you're getting paid to play.
These guys don't care about I'm not gonna say everyone,
but some of these players do not care about winning
the Stanley Cup. They care about collecting that bag of
money and setting up their families for the rest of
their lives.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Sure, if you're a Canadian and to the point, maybe
a US guy that grew up watching hockey and seeing
some of your heroes lift that Stanley Cup, it's what
you want to do. But at the end of the day,
there are so many people that fail in winning the
Stanley Cup and very few that actually get to lift
it that the more important thing is making money, and
(39:50):
that's what it comes down to.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So that's the business we're in, carm that's the business
we are in. I like this one here from the
Bean Show says, just because they're Brea doesn't mean they're
going to automatically get chemistry and points on the ice. Exactly. Yeah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Like, there's there's been, there's been brothers before Andrew, like
the Stasny brothers back in Quebec and then the was
it the Sundeen.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
They're the best brothers. Man, those guys were awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
You know what I mean. And they refuse, they refuse
to get traded unless they were both traded to the
same team. Yeah again with another in Vancouver and stuff.
So you know, it is at the end of the day,
is what it is. You look at you know, it's
the markets that they play for. You look at the
Vegas Golden Knights and the Toronto Mape beliefs, you know,
(40:40):
I mean the whole Mitch Martyr thing. He is overjoyed,
overjoyed to be in Vegas right now and the Leaves
could be in first place and he would not care
because he is not under the same media and fan
scrutiny as he was in Toronto. The guy was making
guys was putting up one hundred points. And yeah, you
want to hang not winning in the playoffs on one player,
(41:05):
Maybe hang it on your best player, who is supposed
to be Austin Matthews and not for sure Mitch Martner.
But he's loving his time in Vegas. God bless him.
He got his money happy there, he's playing on a team,
his family's happy, he's happy. It's all that you can
ask for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Well, I just come in here from Bruce Fesser. Here,
he says, look at the goalies here, last five games. Look,
Lankinin has an eight eight to one save percentage. Talbot
has an eight eight three save percentage. Two goalies that
I would not want to take an under. And that's all.
I'm gonna say. Two goalies that I would not want
to take an under. And that's for sure. So Karen Overall,
(41:41):
you know, I know Brian has talked about how lately
it's not as much about the goalies about the team.
But I think these days in the NHL, we've seen
like the one A one B become a lot more popular.
Like you know, like when I was younger, the backup
goalie didn't play nearly as much right and the backup
goalies are playing a lot more now, so I feel
like we can take advantage of that from a betting perspective,
(42:03):
whether it's betting on the team because you get better
odds or just fading in the backup goalies because they're
just much different. And I feel like that's the case
in some of these games right now these days.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, it's Andrew. I'm telling you, December. Unless you guys
absolutely love a number overnight, do not play it unless
you've gone through the goaltending rotation for teams to make
sure that they're not on the first of a back
to back or in a second of a back to
back and you're gonna end up with the backup goalie.
(42:38):
There are sites that will show you that make sure
it's not a bad scheduling spot. There's gonna be a
lot of bad scheduling spots. Yesterday, I had one play
in the NHL Andrew four percent play on Anaheim in regulation.
I knew that they were gonna win in regulation, and
I was certain they were gonna win in regulation. I
didn't know that was definitely gonna happen, but I would
(42:59):
have taken the place plan as well too. It was
such a bad scheduling spot for Chicago, even though they
spent two days in LA playing the Kings back to back.
You knew that it wasn't going to be Spencer night
and goalie played the first three games of the road trip.
You knew it was going to be arvid a solder
bloom and you can find that on different sites. And
it just and you had the Ducks coming off of
(43:22):
a huge win for them, a bounce back win after
losing seven nothing at home to Washington or losing seven
seven nothing at home to Utah to beat Washington and
OT and that was a team that was red hot,
so they're back on rails. And I just thought it
was a great spot lay a buck thirty or whatever
it was, and it was a no brainer. It was
(43:44):
like five to nothing at the end of the second period.
I didn't even have to watch the game. But with
that said, Andrew, I need a no brainer as far
as like same game parlay as go to you got one.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Carl, I've got three picks for you here. I'm just
trying to bring up my same game having trouble loading,
and I'm actually gonna go to you first, having trouble
loading right, He's gonna go to me.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
We are going to do the pod uh, and it's
gonna go back to the original game that the press
broke down, which is Tampa Bay and Toronto. I really
like Tampa Bay in the spot. I think they they're favored.
They should be favored in this game. And that is
even with the fact that it likely it's going to
(44:26):
be Uh. He'll to be for Toronto. He's confirmed. Jonics
hoy Hansen Johansson could be the starter for Tampa. For me,
it's difference between Johansson and Vasileski. While it might sound huge,
it is how Tampa Bay is playing in front of
their goalies that really matters. And it's a Tampa team.
(44:49):
Andrew like, when I look at this Tampa de Bay
team right now, it is a team that I think
it is a great bounce back for spot for them
playing against the Toronto Maple Leafs. I think their last
game they drop a result. Let me just find it
here to the New York Islanders. You look at this
team thus far, they lose to nothing to the Islanders,
(45:12):
they lose four to three to Pittsburgh at home, and
they lost to the Islanders again two to one. This
is a team that is still playing well in front
of their goalie, just not scoring some goals. But it's
a team that whenever they play the Leafs, they find scoring.
And this is one of the reasons why I like them.
In this spot, you're getting minus one fifteen. It's it's
steamed a little bit to minus one eighteen. It's gonna
(45:33):
hover around there. It's not gonna go that much higher.
But this is the play I like today. I'm gonna
go with Tampa Bay try and continue to win with
these pod plays. Minus one fifteen in this one with
Tampa Bay against the Toronto Maple Leafs. Let's see if
we can continue to build that. We're up a decent
amount sixty four forty seven on this pod play. So
(45:55):
with that said, Andrew, go Lightning.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
You've been cashing tickets like that one there, Karmen, and
you know what, they're getting healthier. I think that they
should be fine. As long as Bradon points out there
for you, I think you should be good. I don't
know what the deal is injury.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
If he's iffy right now, he's iffy right now. I
didn't see any notes from the morning skate as of yet,
and I did well. Prez was talking. I did message
someone to see if he was on the ice for
the morning skate and didn't hear back. I just heard
that Hill to Be was going to be starting, was
the only text that I got back, So we shall see.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yeah, it's gonna be a good one here, Karen. I'm
looking forward to watching that game. Although because the Montreal
Canadians aren't playing tonight, I have committed to a Christmas
movie with the girlfriend. I told her on nights that
the Canadians aren't playing, you can book me for some
Christmas movies. That's the rule in the household. So one
TV Monday Night Football, one TV Christmas movies, and one
(46:54):
TV Lightning and Leaves.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
And now it's time for the same game. Product Party
brought to you by the Hallmark Channel is like a
Hallmark channel where yeah, steam actors and they just it's
like the dice thing. They just shake it up and
roll it out. And it's some guy who comes back
to his hometown at Christmas time and meets his sweetheart
(47:19):
from high school or university and feeling business. He's got money,
and they get back together again somehow.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
You know, what. I hope it's Elf from Lost Kid,
one of them pull buddies nerd Fix, says die Hard.
I think tonight might be keeping it simple, home alone,
Home alone. I think Elf has to be closer to Christmas.
Elf might have to be closer to Christmas. All right,
I'm going to get Carmine out of here for a second,
and I'm going to go to three player props that
(47:47):
I like for tonight. These are good head to head matchups. Guys.
This is not exactly a same game parlay. I mean
you can same game parlay two of these. Victor Headman
anytime assist plus one twenty, whether it's five on five
or it's on the power play. Headman has a very
very good track record against the Maple Leafs, and man,
(48:08):
I just love this price of plus one twenty six.
Speaking of guys that have good head to head track records,
over two and a half shots on goal for William Kneelander. Look,
I don't care what anybody says right now about Austin Matthews.
William Knelander is the guy on the Maple Leafs right now.
He's the guy shooting all the big shots. He's the
(48:28):
guy creating chances. He's the guy tying the game with
dying minutes to go. He is the number one shooter
on this team. Over two and a half shots on
goal in his career. He has had a ton of
success against the Tampa Bay Lightning. Now we have the
Seattle Kracking in the Minnesota Wild. And here's the deal here.
This kracking team has minimal offensive production. They are constantly
(48:52):
searching for production on the offensive end. But sometimes certain
players just play well against certain teams. And whether it's
a little bit of a sprink on goal scoring prop
or whether it's a shots on goalprop. Jared McCann over
two and a half shots on goal plus one oh
five against the Minnesota Wild. So three player props. These
can all be singled. Guys, we can put these in
(49:14):
a three game set, but these can all be singled
as well. Headman assist, kneelanders shots and McCann shots on goal.
And I will just lead off with this here, Karen,
is that I do have a four percent best bet
up in NFL for player props. My best bet player
props are now eight and two. My last ten. We
had mahomes over on his rushing props last night he
(49:37):
went over by about thirty thirty five yards. So unfortunately
it was not a great day overall NFL yesterday where
the player props keep doing very very well overall, especially
the best bets, So don't miss that at wager Talk, guys,
and two plays I like in the NHL. So that's
it for me, Karen, looking forward to a really good night.
Let's keep it going. Let's stay hot.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Andrew, only one play for me tonight in the NHL
A four percent best bets, So let's see if we
can get another four percent best bets have been a
winning NHL season for me. I want to keep that
run going, Andrew, I'm not sure if you saw this,
and that's the only play. As far as the football
game tonight, I have the Eagles in my circa. I
(50:18):
was three to zero going into that KC game last
night with my five circa picks with Casey left and
the Philadelphia Eagles. Casey disappointed, but I would love to
go four and one and move closer to the money
as the season winds down. But one play in the NHL.
You can find that over and then at Wager TALKWT
(50:39):
do buzz backslash CB, I will have my customer appreciation
plays up Shortly, I have to make a quick run
to the doctors, but after that I will have those
plays up. Andrew, I'm not sure if you saw the
breaking news that is going on right now, but you
might want to watch the news. There's been a shooting
at the Knakatomi Towers. Hopefully everybody is okay there. I'm
(51:01):
not sure if you saw that news come across the wire, Andrew.
I think the Montreal Canadians have stayed there a few
times when staying in LA. But to everyone else, have
a great night tonight. We'll see you tomorrow. The press
and Brian Leonard on tomorrow's show Buster returns on Wednesday.
This is puck time. Hit THATG button on your way
out and have a great betting day.
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