Transform Your Life Discover Financial Freedom with Matthew Finlin

Ready to transform your life and achieve financial freedom? Join host NaRon Tillman on Walk in Victory for a profound discussion with Matthew Finlin, exploring the intersection of finances, spirituality, and individual entrepreneurship. Matthew shares his journey from small-town beginnings to developing a unique approach to personal growth and business success. This episode delves into creating new neural pathways, the importance of self-discipline as the highest form of self-love, and how tools like meditation, prayer, and even plant medicines can aid in personal development. Discover practical strategies for overcoming financial obstacles, building self-esteem in children, and achieving balance across mental, emotional, and spiritual domains.

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Key Takeaways:

• The connection between finances, spirituality, and individual entrepreneurship.
• Creating new neural pathways and overcoming limiting beliefs.
• The importance of self-discipline as the highest form of self-love.
• Practical strategies for overcoming financial obstacles and building self-esteem.
• Achieving balance across mental, emotional, and spiritual domains.

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Introduction to Self-Discipline and Personal Growth
• 00:17 Welcome to Walk in Victory Podcast
• 00:59 The Power of Immediate Action
• 01:43 Building the Walk in Victory Brand
• 02:28 Integrating Spirituality and Science
• 05:23 Matthew's Journey and Revelations
• 08:48 Sales Techniques and Life Lessons
• 14:21 Overcoming Financial Challenges
• 18:00 Creating a Purpose-Driven Business
• 22:20 Urban Yogis and Mindfulness
• 26:03 A Vision for a School
• 26:50 Preventative Medicine and Trauma Integration
• 27:57 Spiritual Awakenings and Healing
• 29:19 The Role of Psychedelics in Healing
• 33:31 Creating New Neural Pathways
• 37:31 The HPA Axis and Stress Response
• 45:50 Book Recommendations for Personal Growth
• 51:11 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Self discipline is the highest form of self love. And
so my relationships, especially if my father dramatically increased, so
my finances, my physical, my emotion, my mental got right,
so my spiritual pillar went up.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good, good afternoon, good day, good evening. I don't know
what time you're listening or were you listening from your boy,
your host Lauran Tillman, and you are with me for
another episode of Walk in Victory, Speaking of victory walk.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Warning, this is a public service announcement. The Walk in
Victory podcast is where we have conversations purpose to evolve lives.
You may not want to evolve, then tune into another
bleeping podcast. Everyone else, enjoy the show. And here's our host.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Good afternoon, Good day, Good evening. I don't know what
time you're listening and or were you listening from It's
your boy, your host and Neron Tillman. I'm slowing down
a little bit so that you can hear every word
that's coming out of my mouth. And you are here
for another episode of Walk in Victory. Speaking of victory walks,
the weather's changing. Uh. I've moved from my Mets gear

(01:03):
now to my from my Jets gear now to my
mets gear as you guys are formulating for the spring,
getting into the last legs of the first quarter of
this year. I don't make resolutions. We don't do any
of those things here. Like one of my early Jewish

(01:26):
partners used to say to me, today today we come
up with a plan. Oh, let's let's let's pegg it
till the new year. Today today. If it's a good
idea and we can scale it, we can we can
make make it make sense. Let's start what we are
doing as an organization.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Uh uh.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
The name of our company is Principal Matters Productions. The
name of our brand for the podcast is Walking Victory,
So all of the things that we do will be
under the walk in Victory brand. And we're building AI
agency to help small businesses and coaches that have a

(02:12):
big business or big coach field. I'm finalizing the book
using what I know about prompt engineering, neuroscience, and meditation
and prayer and when combining those nuances, showing the synergy

(02:34):
between the two. There is a synergy now between spirituality
and science with an infrastructure triangulates into finances. Were by

(02:57):
before you can have spirit true knowledge and they the
person in the community with the spiritual knowledge had a
humble abode, and nobody really listened to him until everything
is shot the hell. Then they want to go get
the whole. And you know that man up there, he's
always praying. But now there's an intersection. I don't know.

(03:20):
I think that everything happens by design where people are
more inclined about bridging those gaps. And Joe Dispenser and
his organization has done a great job at mainstreaming and
even though don't use the same religious catchphrases, but their
mainstream and that conversation. So now it's not taboo to

(03:43):
talk about using these tools in a business setting where
where you by creating a true i amic self or
understanding where your purpose is that regards us of what
your purpose is, we can scale it. Whether you're you're

(04:04):
a baker, whether you're a tent maker, whether you a prayer,
we can we can scale it because the world, now
through AI and through all of these other things, that
is at our fingertips, has become so condensed and small
that it's easy to find an audience of twenty, scale

(04:26):
it up to an audience of one hundred, scale up
to an audience of thousands. But you have to be
willing to listen. You have to be willing to put
in the time. You have to be willing to not
be heard. That's the hard part, knowing that you have
a good product and no one is listening. You have
to be willing not to be heard. And you have
to detach yourself from judgment and detach yourself from outcomes. However,

(04:53):
we have been programmed to attach ourself to judgment and
attach ourselves to outcome. And today, Matthew and I is
going to are going to have this conversation since it
around all things that we just connected, finances, spirituality, and
individual entrepreneurship. How are you doing, Matthew, I'm doing excellent.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
You've been doing excellent well rested, practices are going well,
and I'm excited to have this conversation. See see where
see where it takes us.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, so let's start from your journey. If you don't
mind telling people a little bit about yourself and what
it is that you're doing and why I gave that
type of intro and you can jump in going that.
I took about five minutes, So go ahead and do your.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Thing, all right, Okay, I'll try and keep mine five
to ten. So what I'm doing now is I had
a couple different projects on the go, I guess you
could say, and the first project I've got is my
number one purpose project or is my connection to God,
and then my development of myself and then my development

(06:01):
and my family in that order. Business wise, offerings wise,
I have a profit project which is basically building sales
teams with this company. I have a retreat center here
in Peru, and we focus on integration. So people come

(06:22):
and they do the plant medicines and there's very little integration,
you know, and this is everywhere right, It's not just
plant medicine. It's like very little integration. I believe it's
funny because I think integration is more important than the experience.
The revelatory experience that you have is integrating, whether you
know you wake up one day and you're like, oh wow,

(06:42):
I've been making a mistake in my relationship. I'm actually
in the wrong, and you have this revelation the integration aspect.
So we do that, which is really excellent. And then
my main focus is Real Life Skills Academy, which is
two parts. It's educating teenage right now on real life skills.
We'll get into that in a bit. And interestingly enough,

(07:04):
the part that I'm most excited about is the free platform
for parents where we teach them the same real life
skills we're teaching their teenagers, because none of us learned
it in school. So a little bit about my story
kind of bullet points some like eye opening moments that
we could call them revelatory moments. I like that. And

(07:25):
from a town of three thousand people in Canada, I
live four miles outside of that town a couple acres.
Small town. Boy, really healthy town, really healthy town, like
some of the lowest it's like one of the one
of some of the lowest obesity per capita GDP or
something healthy skiing, biking mountain, you know, kind Canadian strong. Anyways,

(07:47):
grew up with two parents that loved me. Not a
lot of money. But now that I have been doing
so many work with so many people, I see how
excellent of a job my parents did. So hats off
to them with the with the limited resources OCD. And
so I went to you know, I I was from
a small town, and it's kind of like, if you
want to make money, you get a trade. You'll work
at the Celter. You go north and you work in

(08:07):
the oils. That's all I knew. That's how I knew
money happened. I went to Vancouver to study. I didn't
want to go. I didn't want to do either of
those things. So I went to do a trade that
was called avi onyx. It's like the wiring of airplanes
instead of the wiring poems. I'm good with physics and
math always was. Didn't like it, it was good at it,
so I got the student loan right again. Just put
me ten k in debt when I'm nineteen. Good job,

(08:29):
That's an excellent first decision to make. And then yeah,
I did that first year. Didn't really like it, and
I was out drinking one night this guy said, hey,
come get an interview. Wear a suit. I'm like, wear
a suit. I've never wore a super boar. And when
I was twenty years old, first real what the heck
is going on here? Moment. I didn't know what commissions

(08:51):
were like for sales until I was twenty. Until I
was twenty and I did this, I was like, is
this legal? In the interview, I asked them of what
they were doing was legal? So that was just like
that was the first one. I was like, what the heck.
Second revelatory moment. I come into the boardroom, you know,

(09:13):
they teach you stuff, and I'm sitting there and my manager,
his name's Gurjet, shout out gurjeit. He says, you do
a b C. They're gonna give your credit card at
the doors, door to door sales. They're gonna give you
a credit card to the door. I'm like, no, they're
not right. So I go into the field. I'm knocking
on doors. I'm knocking on doors on ABC. I'm ABC.
I was in North Vancouver, multimillion dollar home successful humans.

(09:36):
ABC credit card at the door, ABC credit card at
the door. And I remember just having this moment of like,
my parents are screwed. I'm in like multimillion dollar mansions
in North Vancouver, ABC sales techniques and I know this
guy doesn't know that ABC. I just did my parents
like we're screwed. And in that moment, I realized that

(09:59):
sale is a sword and a shield, and it's more
importantly a shield because if you don't know the sales techniques,
they're gonna work and you're gonna buy some some you
don't need, don't want, and maybe a whole bunch of
ideas that you don't need, don't want. You gotta know
the techniques, not necessarily to use them. They're super useful

(10:21):
to use. But I see you, right, and so I
would like learn ABC. I go out into the world.
Buddy tries to pull ABC on me. I'm like, oh,
I like how you just use Jones effect there? That
was nice? Yeah, And he's like, right, just oh, God
knows the thing. Okay. That was the first one. The
second one, so commissions didn't learn second one? What the heck?

(10:43):
ABC sales techniques? Why don't I get taught this in school?
Third one? I got promoted really quick. So I did excellent.
And the reason I did excellent is like, yes, I'm
pretty nifty at sales, but my numbers were crazy. I
had small town work, small town boy work, ethic. I'm
an only son, my dad was. I was working on

(11:03):
the acreage. You know, I was working egg lunch, running
between doors, and buddies are out there, you know, salespeople
are smoking. Take an hour break, go eat some bullshit food,
and I'm running between doors. Matt, how did you do
so good? Like I spoke to ninety people today? How
many did you speak to They're like twenty Oh, there
you go. I got closing rates the same. I'm just

(11:26):
just quadruple your numbers. So anyways, I kept running that,
I hit my promotions, I started training people. I got
offered opportunity to move out near Toronto and train my
own team. So now I'm not making commissions on my
own on my own sales. I'm making commissions on my
sales and overrides on my whole team that I train,
higher train, all these things. So the next one was

(11:49):
I hired these two guys at the same time. One
is like like and you in mind, I was twenty right,
twenty one law student and this is like, this is
like blonde hair, blue eyes, six two quarterback, lost student,
like man.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Of god, somebody.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
It's fun thinking to myself, how I guess I'm over rising, right,
And then I hire this like, you know the guy
like smoking bongtoke before my boardroom meeting, you know two
in the summer, you know, snow hat in the summer,
skateboarding to my thing. And I'm thinking, like this guy

(12:31):
him whatever, right, maybe he gets a sale, makes some overrides.
And it was opposite. Little stoner kid was crushing numbers
and law couldn't couldn't get a sale? What the heck
is going rejection? Well, what was going on? And he's
a law student, right, I was pretty savage with him
when I had to sit down with him. But he's

(12:53):
fighting with his wife text tech knock knock, pitch, pitch, pitch, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, knock,
knock knock. And so I ended up really going down
this rabbit hole. And I've been obsessed for a long time.
I mean like twelve years daily with I have a spectrum, right,
the spectrum goes neuroscience, psychology, philosophy, spirituality. Then they're all

(13:16):
in the same below as you go.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Up to above.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
And so taught him about attachment theory, like what's going on?
It's like, oh, you know, I'm an honest man, right,
And he actually was. I'm going out with the boys,
playing some pool, a couple of beers. My wife's freaking out.
And I was like, oh, well, how was a relationship
with her? Dad? D teaching about attachment theory? Their marriage excellent?
And then he was Then he was the he was
the man I always thought he would be, you know.
And then my eyes were just open, and I was like,

(13:44):
why didn't I need to learn about this in school?
Attachment theory would have been super nifty. In that last relationship,
I was in, like, what so we're not getting taught
about commissions, We're not getting taught about abe make money
or get money taken from you, and we're not getting

(14:05):
taught about the basic functioning of our operating system. The
fourth and I want to say final blow, but there
was like many more along the way. I'll fast forward
through the next seven years a little quicker. I was
twenty one. I was drinking, I was partying. I was
building my sales teams in university towns. So I'm twenty

(14:28):
one years old, hiring students, making the money, spending the
money right. Two K in, two K out, and two
years into it, government in Canada came knocking on the door, Oh.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Wow, where's our business taxes at? And I'm like, what
is what is that? What is what's business taxes? I
know about my taxes, I haven't done them, but I
business taxes, and bro, it was a big number, dude.
So I didn't pay off my ten K student debt
and it was.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Like it was a big number. And then of course,
God's plant. I pretty much lost all my offices. One
got totally sabotaged by this guy that didn't like me,
and you just fired everyone and quit brutal boom boom
boom boom boom so and all of a sudden, I'm
in Hamilton On, which is like near Niagara Falls kind
of area, and I'm like fifty k in debt. It's

(15:26):
winter and I'm going door to door. Dude built up
some resiliency, But that was the one where I was like, WHOA, Like,
if I had known about that, that would have seriously
helped me right now. And man, I understand why they
call it crippling debt, you know, I really do. Like
it was like five six, seven years just to get

(15:47):
out of that. Okay, so that's a revelation. Those are
like the really kickstarting ones. Now I can kind of
fast forward. So I had enough of it out east obviously.
After all that, came back West West Coast, best coast,
and I came back and I was fun and I
I yeah, I found out about this other this other
job from a good buddy of mine that I met
at school actually was a great sales job more International.

(16:10):
Joined right away brought all my skills over, got a
buddy in Hong Kong to join my team, and flew
out to Hong Kong for three weeks to train a team,
and I ended up living out there for three years.
And while I was out there for the three years
I was doing I was still on I was still
on my bullshit. I was still drinking and women and
value and like. But I was doing some higher level

(16:33):
business stuff. And so I started learning about insurance and
life insurance and making your own bank and wills and
pensions and properties. And then I was doing mergers with
this really excellent company, basically like helping Chinese billionaires buy
North America. It's basically what it was. I was learning
a lot, right, I learned a lot, And then this

(16:56):
was the this was the this was probably the biggest shift.
I mean, I had a series of events this year
that are that particular year. Some involved psychedelics, which I
would say really strengthen my connection to God. And then
it was like I string my connection to God, but
I was still like gotta no God, Like I'm still
gonna go over here. I had a New Year's Eve
that was like a scarface scene. Let's just leave it there, right.

(17:19):
You haven't seen the movie. Go watch the movie, okay.
And I was like, January first felt bad, January second bad,
third or fourth. I'm like, what's going on? Strong, Irish livery,
You've never let me down before, Like, what's going on here?
Sixth I go into the hospital. They're like, no, idiot,
you're just hungover and poison yourself. Go home. And then
I open up my phone and I saw my now
best friend, his name is Luke, on day sixty something

(17:42):
of this Instagram challenge called one hundred Sweaty Sweats, one
hundred days of body Weight Workout, No break jacked, glowing
him and I used to be like the Whiskey boys,
and now he's just vital. And I was like, you
know what, I'm done, done with all that. I'm done.
And I started next day, day one, January seventh, And

(18:05):
what ended up happening is Luke and I actually ended
up going on to create a business that was called
one hundred Days of Discipline. Now it's free, and I
stopped like everything, and so I focused on this discipline aspect,
which was the mental pillar in the physical pillar. I
built my temple. I cleaned the pipes, out spirit could
come through. Right, my discipline bled into my finances. Self

(18:29):
discipline is the highest form of self love. And so
my relationships, especially with my father, dramatically increased. So my finances,
my physical, my emotion, my mental got right. So my
spiritual pillar went up. It went up. Intuition like it
makes no sense left right, I'm going straight because God
said to do it, and blessings doesn't make emotional sense,

(18:51):
doesn't make logical sense. It's just connected deeper in my practice,
all these types of things. And then then that really
started to open my eyes as like twenty nineteen really
start o my everything's going on. And then I'll make
this quick here. So I came back to Chinese level
COVID lockdowns in Hong Kong. So I left to Canada
to see Chinese level lockdowns in Canada. I didn't know

(19:13):
if I was gonna stay. Blah blah blah blah blah.
I was building my sales business one hundred days. Business
was with my parents, only child, couple akers, being a
good boy, working the land. And then I was like,
you know what, I'm gonna be a coach. I'm gonna
help and this is the funnyness actually the crux. I
think what you talked about earlier. I was helping one
of my friends in Vancouver spiritual entrepreneur because I'm not
making money right, because spiritual entrepreneurs don't make money for

(19:35):
a handful of pretty justified reasons. And I was like,
you got to do ABC and number one is you
got a niche down I was like, oh, I have
a niche. I can teach spiritual entrepreneurs how to actually
make money and get sales. So I got my first client,
next one, double my prices, double my prices, double my prices,
duble my prices, until in six months it was ten
K for a client. I was like, I've got something here.

(19:56):
I ended up building this really cool business. It was
called Human Potential Academy, basically a bunch of different coaches
on the same level in different arenas, with different visions,
and after about two years it just made sense for
us to naturally part ways. We kind of came in.
I call it an incubator now he came in. We
had all these visions da da da, but we ultimately

(20:17):
we got closer to our own visions and less interested
in the other people's visions. As we got close of ours,
and mine became quite dramatically helping parents and helping teenagers
because of the amount of parents are kids, sorry, adults
I worked with. I was like, you know what, let's
go into preventative medicine instead of reactive medicine. Let's teach

(20:37):
them about taxes before they get crushed by taxes, you know,
Let's teach them about regulation before they're depressed and anxious
and all those types of things. And so I ran.
I ran one program called the Executive Edge Double entendre
executive using your executive functions to think like an executive,
not like an employee. I learned a lot. It was
sixteen weeks too long for kids, too long for me.

(21:00):
So we broke that into three ten week programs, and
now what we're offering kids is the first one. We
recommend you do it in order. We've got a year
long program discount if the kid goes into all of
them thirty weeks over the year. Self awareness, responsibility, it's
about regulation and compassion. Basically, parents can expect to have
a better relationship with their teenager after that second one,

(21:21):
health and priorities, exercise, proper diet, time management, and then
finally entrepreneurship foundations, and then we have a free online
platform for parents where basically I'm teaching them all the
things that I used to charge ten thousand dollars for
I still do for my one on one containers, but
now the info is going to be out for the
groups because this is my purpose project, this is not
my profit project. So we've got coaching for parents and

(21:44):
parent teacher interviews every two weeks for the parents that
sign their kids up to the programs, with the idea
being that eventually we have fully equipped people to homeschool
their kids, both in terms of time, which the reason
they don't have time is because they don't have money,
and knowledge, knowledge and execution of that knowledge. And now

(22:05):
I live in prou which is probably a podcast episode
in itself, and yeah, man, that's that's me. A little
bit over time, A little bit over time.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
No, no, no, But it was fascinating because if it wasn't,
I would have I would have jumped in, Oh good,
because you gave me a lot to unpack.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
One.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
I run an organization called Urban Yois and we teach
yoga and mindfulness best mindful practices in the inner city
youth in the city in the schools. Yes, and and
so guys, you're going to watch in real time how
how stuff just happens. Right, I'm looking to do that online,

(22:45):
so we'll we'll talk. Yes, I'm looking at we have
a curriculum already together. I don't know I can envision
how to do it online because I'm so used to
being hands on in New York. But it's hard running
around a bunch of schools. And let me tell you
something about the Board of Education. They take too long
to pay, so you gotta wait for your money and

(23:06):
you'll be out of you'll be out of business. We
have a senior component too, so we teach seniors how
to get their mobility back. Mobility first, then flexibility. And
it's a blessing when you see a mother who walks
in like this, and after a few weeks of consistency
micro movements, you can lift your hand, you know, and like,

(23:28):
my heart just melts. And I want to be able
to do that online. So I'll talk to you offer this.
So that journey that you went on one is similar
to mine. Right, I too had the backpack going around
Manhattan selling trinkets out of the book bag, and I
got so good. I had a Duffle bag, and I

(23:48):
learned the mindset. I learned commissions, I learned knows, but
I also learned how to sell. Not one we used
to sell like trinkets, massages and all that. Not one.
I couldn't get a person to buy like twenty massages.

(24:08):
I also lost everything in my twenties, twenty four years old,
twenty five years old, homeless, living in a house with
no lights because I was too private and I didn't
understand how to manage finances. So that became a passion
of mine, teaching people how to be good stewards with
their finances, finances and a good student of their time.

(24:28):
So when did you realize that everything that you went
through was for this purpose? It's like, all right, I
went through that because if someone was to sit down,
and I'm pretty sure there's probably more things that you did.
When someone asked me all of the things I was

(24:49):
in music, I was in this, and then I was
in that, and I have an answer like, damn, what
didn't you do? You almost sound like you're making it up.
But when you're in business and you start so early,
you realize, all right, this is drying up. But the
same tools will work in any industry. When did you
realize that this was your purpose and you take all

(25:10):
of these collective tools and do it for this industry.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Super interesting question. And dude, dude, bless you, bro, thank you,
thank you, thank you, my god. I got so many
fun stats for Inner City too. I'll tell you a
couple after this. The kids excellent, excellent, excellent, excellent. I'm
so grateful for you. Ah feels good first The first

(25:39):
time is actually really interesting. So when I had this
like opening moment of like neuroscience, psychology, sales. I actually
I was dating someone that was born again Christian, but
she was studying genetics, shit, a really interesting weird take
on God and everything. And I kind of opened up,
you know, I opened up to hearing right praying. Don't

(25:59):
know what you're praying to do, but you know, you start,
you start right. And just this one day and this
is when I was like big time, not an integrated
man as twenty you know, money and money out. I
told you, I just had this thing and it was
just like bang. I remember, it's so clear. It's like
you're gonna have a school. Bang, You're gonna have a school.
I'm like whatver. The next time was after I had

(26:21):
worked with about a dozen adults, and I was like, WHOA,
Like this bad right now? You know, like, you know,
all parents do a good job, and all parents, all
parents do as good of a job as they can
with the tools they have, and all parents traumatize their

(26:41):
kids and when that's how it goes right, and and
just I just had that and then and then it
went into like what I spoke about. I just went
into like preventative medicine is how I'm is how I'm
worthing it right. It's like it's like working on the
preventative medicine, and it's not preventing them, it's knowing how

(27:02):
to integrate and move through these traumas instead of just
dissociating and then having a heart attack of fifty five
you know. Yeah, So those would be probably the two
really big ones for me. I had a couple other
things happen. I worked with some orphanages when I was
in Vietnam, and it really tugged at my heart with
the kids, and yeah, but those are like the two
big ones for me. It was kind of just this

(27:23):
ping and then like.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
WHOA, So science has proven now that science is starting
to look at the brain. Over the last twelve to
ten years, science has really really gotten a lot of
data concerning the way that the brain operates that went
against everything that they taught us before. Like, oh, after

(27:50):
your ten or eleven, maybe twelve, your brain is fully
developed and it can't even learn no other things start
to learn at a crawl space level. But now science
is same. And I want your input that you can
have spiritual awakenings forged through two things psychedelics and or

(28:16):
meditation and and continued prayer. Oh three, trauma. I like
to talk about one and two because trauma when when
what I found I've been pastoring since I was twenty
in my twenties. I'm fifty years old this year. What
I found with people who come to to a spiritual

(28:37):
awakening through trauma, usually when they get healed, they.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Leave, right yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, go back, go back
to trauma town.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Yeah yeah, it's well, it's fun of that, right, And
then intration, Yes, then they come back because now it
becomes like a hopscotch.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
So when you when you're talking about plant, the plant
psycho psychosomatics that you utilize, how do you what do
you say about about that particular stat and how do
you implement in the work.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
That you do. Okay, so all three of those things.
The first thing I'll start with, so not as not
as much prayer and meditation mm hm, not not just
not as much, but psychedelics and trauma. When we cry,
like real cry, our brain becomes incredibly plastic. M h.

(29:40):
And in deep psychedelic experience, your brain becomes incredibly plastic. Okay,
So what does that mean? It means on one hand,
from a Jungian psychical logical standpoint, the ego is dissolved. Yeah,
in that moment, right, it comes back real quick, boom.
If you don't integrate something new, it's like I'm back,

(30:02):
I'm back home. But and then on the other hand,
what does neuroplastic plasticity means. It means that it's plastic.
It can be changed, right, So the ego goes out.
You gotta you gotta fresh canvas for a moment like
you can work with. It is an integration piece. Prayer

(30:23):
and meditation for me are the same thing. I'm particularly
struck by some lines in the Bible that says, when
you pray, go behind closed doors, right, go behind closed doors,
and so we can link this into manifestation all those
things too. But how how uh, how it works for me?

(30:46):
I'll just talk for me, right, because what I've noticed
with the plant medicine and the meditation and the traumas
is it all different at different for people. Integration we
can kind of look at as like a more of
a standard operating proceed and maybe the intention going into
prayer or into psychedelics. But I've used them. I mean,

(31:07):
first off, like you get the call, you get like
a call, right, you get a call, your body's like
to go do that, and then oftentimes the mind, especially Christians,
they'll be like that's a sin or that's like satan
or whatever. But you get like a poll, you had
a pull to go use to go do this. And
then I've done it in a variety of different ways.
I've done a variety of different medicines before, but I've

(31:29):
always like most of them. I've had my friend Luke
with me actually, which has been really useful because we're
on such a similar wavelength. Connecting it into science. One
of the things that's profound is that the human eye
can perceive zero point zero zero zero three percent of

(31:51):
what's going on around us. That's what we see zero
point zero zero zero three percent, and I think psychdelics
puts that up to like zero point zero zero zero
four And you see stuff like whoa God is. God
is out here right now, you know, like you see
like whoa, and it's it's if done properly with the

(32:16):
right people, it's really really useful. Actually, the favorite way
that I've heard this explained was actually on a Joe
Rogan podcast by Jordan Peterson, and he says that like
heavier psychedelic doses. This is basically how he says it.
Shout out, Jordan Peterson, Man, Psychedelics are like fire, and
who you're supposed to be, who you really truly are

(32:38):
in God's eyes. Who God made you to be is stone,
and all the traumas and bullshit and things that you've
created is straw. And psychedelics are fire. And so if
you're five percent stone and ninety five percent fire, it's
going to be a tough experience. There's not going to
be a whole bunch of you left. But if you're

(32:59):
ninety five percent and you you know, and so it's
like and so it's this gentle dance, No I don't
believe they are for everybody. Yes, I do believe they
are for most. And you know your space is one
hundred percent fold. Sometimes you got to burn the strawway
and sometimes introspection and prayer doesn't get the job done.
You got to like put a little fire in there

(33:19):
and burn away the straw so you got some space
to rebuild. Yeah, I'll wrap it up there. Yeah, I
could go into meditation, psychedelics and the similarities there from
a neuro standpoint, but that's that's pretty good, I think.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, So when we're talking about creating new neural pathways
new that's the integration part. The integration is the pathway.
So for me, I'll use finances as as one and
we could probably have similar thinking in that area. My dad,
I grew up in a single parent household in what

(33:53):
we call the projects, so my mindset about money it
was totally warped. I had to really go into my
subconscious and create new pathways concerning money because I always
could make enough money. I can do enough business to

(34:13):
pay my bills and to live comfortably. But I every
time when we was about to go to that next level,
something to happen, and I was blaming everybody else externally. Oh,
if that you didn't do this, then this wouldn't happen.
And if that didn't happen, and this would not when
the real true culprit was me and in my money

(34:34):
conversation within myself. And that's that secret door. When you pray,
pray in secret. It's not go into a closet and
close the door. Is going to the mind and pray
because that inner talk helps to create those pathways that
we're describing. So when we talk about creating new integrated,

(34:57):
integrated in order to create new pathway ways, how does
your teaching and the things that you do expeediate the
process with us? It may be like if I do that,
if I do yoga, one of my things that I teach,

(35:17):
and I constantly say, we never say I can't once
once we're in the mat, we leave, I can't have
to do it. And the more flexible I become in
my body is the more flexible I become in my mind.
So what I'm I'm planting seeds of these pathways that
I want to create. What are some of the things
that you like to look at and I see it

(35:38):
bakes It was so good.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, It's so good because because I've been I've been
so all over people for saying I can't wait, you
can you can't wait? What do you can't Yeah, I
can't wait. You mean you're excited, is what you mean?

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah. So I just the fact that was just great. Okay,
So excellent question and something that has been coming up
for me quite a lot. And to take up a
little bit of space here because I've uncovered something in
the past two weeks that is, I would say, really
really profound. For the question that you just asked. People

(36:16):
would ask me, Matt, what's the difference between the spiritual pillar,
the mental piller, and the emotional pillar. And for years
I actually didn't know. It's just like a God just
told me this was an emotional mental spiritual I didn't know.
Now I do know. Emotional has to do with other people.
Mental is internal and spiritual really interesting. The cornerstone of

(36:39):
spiritual pillar, whether you're coming at it from a Christian perspective,
an esoteric perspective, Buddhist, Dallist, freaking Ancient Nordic, Viking, Egyptian, hemet,
whatever remaining regulated, that's it, that's it. Remaining regulated on

(37:03):
the cross forgive them a slaying lion. Like being calm. Okay,
it's being your nervous system regulated, one certainly when you're
not literally in danger, and two, when you are literally
in danger, remaining regulated because if you're not regulated, God
can't come through. And so okay, I need a little science,

(37:28):
you little nerdy. You're gonna really appreciate this right now. Okay,
So have you heard of something called the HPA axis. No,
I'm trying to spread the good word, brother. All right,
I'm gonna tell you something awesome. Okay. It's called the
HPA axis. It's the hypothalamus pituitary adrenal axis. Yeah, okay, good,

(37:50):
the hypothalamus. Yeah, okay, So this is you're gonna this
is This would be good news, especially for a guy
like you, because I just uncovered a nice shadow of
mine and you're gonna you're gonna see a shadow. I'm
gonna put a light on something right now. Okay, this
is big one. This is a big one, especially for
guys like us. Oh my god, I think I found
out why guys die younger. Actually, and I'm about to
tell you hypothalamus it's part of the limbic system. For

(38:14):
this context, it's the control center that detects stress. Okay,
detects stress, stress detector, hypothemus detecting stress, to detect and
danger all these things. The pituitary gland for this context
is the messenger relays signals from the hypothalamus to the
adrenal glands. The adrenal glands are the executors release cortisol, adrenaline,

(38:37):
and other stress hormones. So one person's on alert, right,
one person's on alert, the got the goggles out, one
person on the radio, and one person's ready to ready
to react to the problems going on. Okay, we got it.
When these three things, when one of these three things
are we'll just use the word dysregulated overstretched, it surfaces

(39:01):
in a very different way, but it is disregulated. And
so when I ask you and I had this something
actually the last podcast I was on, So I'm going
to ask you this question just quick. A couple of points.
When you think of someone who's disregulated, what are some
things like, oh, this person's disregulated, and I know that
because they like to loveday right more look perfect, that's

(39:28):
actually great, always late.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Roll them off.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, okay, cool, Okay, When we think of disregulated, and
we're talking about it out in the world. We think
of someone this I I worded as to the teenagers,
someone who loses their cool, like you were cool and
then you lost it and it was uncool, right, you
lost your cool, which is probably like an old thing
to say to kids now, but whatever, it's what I say.
And or like someone who snaps, right, like the quick

(40:00):
to snap, they're quick to cry, they're quick to yell,
they're quick to fight. Okay, that is partially true. Okay,
so we're gonna talk about the differences. I'm not gonna
talk about that when the pituitary gland is dysregulated, because
it's almost a whole different ballgame. But there's a stark
difference between when the hypothalamus is overstretched versus the adrenal

(40:24):
glands are overstretched. Okay, and it's more so like women's
beauty and superpower is their sensitivity, and men's beauty and
superpower is their resilience. And we both have both, but
we're definitely leaning in those two directions. Right. There's excellent
power to be found in both of those things, which
I can definitely touch on. But Okay, the hypothalamus is

(40:50):
on lookout for danger, right right, So the hypothalamus goes
there's a little bit of danger. If the adrenal glands
are stretched, the window of tolerance is really so it
might be like, oh, there's a neighbor's dog in the yard,
but the adrenal glands are so stressed that they it
might as well be a t rex in the yard.

(41:11):
And so the reaction the cordas all the adrenaline is
a huge overreaction. They're reacting to a one danger with
a ten stress response. We can go into what makes
adrenal glands cooked, but like almost everything right now, primarily
diet and a lack of exercise. If you're a dream
if you're quick to snap, quick to cry it or

(41:33):
what some if people are calling you hyper sensitive, you
need minerals, so many minerals, minerals, minerals, minerals, minerals, breathwork
in prayer, so much of it. It's not as bad
as you think. And you're quick to snap, you have
a small window of tolerance. Okay, if your hypothalamus is disregulated,
it's something that I'm calling your disregulated and grounded. And

(41:54):
this has been me. I got a test on like
two weeks ago, and then I started thinking about my
memories the past like half a year maybe longer, dude,
And my mind's like, but I'm like this, and I'm
I'm and I'm manifesting hurdles in my way. But because
so he's doing the testing on me, He's like, man,

(42:14):
you're so vital and so resilient everything you've gone through
this past little bit. And he's like, it's amazing you
because what happens the hypothalamis the more it sees stress,
the more it basically fries the adrenals, and so your
window torrance goes down the more stress you're detecting. But
men's adrenals are so strong, dude, Like like I would have been,
I would have been off the course probably twenty thirty

(42:37):
years heard attack or for maybe like my dad the
rest of his life. Disregulated mind but calm. So it's
easy for us to say I'm actually I'm regulated because
I'm breathing calm. I can feel my heart beaten like this.
But the mind is not regulated, and then you.

Speaker 6 (42:55):
Can become dexter, and you become dexter. Yeah, I mean,
here's the here so here's the here's the here's the
one thing about this, Okay, so I highly recommend when
we're disregulated and stressed, the go to response is rest.
That's if your adrenals are cooked. But if your hypothalamus

(43:18):
is disregulated, which is for most men, you need two
things and.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Men definitely need this right now. Dopamine and testosterone.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I was just about to ask about those.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Are the two you want to regulate your hypothalamus. You're
disregulated and you're tired because of it. Your medicine is
like make your ancestors proud of how manly you are.
You exercise like a It's it's literally like step one,
fix your circadian rhythm. No blue light, no blue light.
Cut the blue light when the sun goes down. That's it,

(43:52):
and that's difficult. Ninety percent of testosterone is generated during
deep sleep sleep ninety percent nine zero percent. You can
put a thing in your arm all you want. Ninety
percent is generated or in your butt or whatever these
people are doing it, okay. Ninety percent of the test
auscerum is generated during deep sleep. The ideal hours for

(44:14):
deep sleep are between two to five am. It takes
three to four hours to get into deep sleep, so
you need to go to bed by ten or eleven.
If you want to get your testosterone right, and you
can't have blue light or eat food an hour before,
so you gotta stop eating at eight or nine. You
gotta cut the blue light by nine, and then you

(44:35):
do a proper practice. I do. I have a breathwork, prayer,
stretch practice that I do each night. I play, I
play music, and I do that to down regular I
go to sleep, sleep like a baby. Wake up, get outside,
look at the sun. Outside. Look. One thing that's really
interesting is when you look at the sun in the morning,
it actually signals in twelve hours, I'm gonna release melatonin.

(45:01):
Get out. Look at this time. Twelve hours later you
get meltone. Release cold water two to five minutes. None
of us like it. Just get in there. It increases dope,
meaning two hundred and fifty two to five minutes. Just breathe.
You're not going to die. Yeah. So this is something
I'm incredibly passionate about right now because I just I
after all these years, I correlated dysregulation to quick to snap.
But it was just the adrenal of portion. It wasn't

(45:23):
actually the dysregulated mind with the calm calm experience.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Now you have it. Everybody, what would you? We fit
you at the feet of the masters. We get so
much out of these conversations because I I like to
have conversations about stuff. Did I know? So I talk
to an expert and pull and help you out. My
last question is for you, Matt if if you were

(45:53):
and you work with kids, you for young adults and
you say, hey, these are the books that I that
I would recommend fiction or nine, any books that help
you transform and that you It doesn't have to be
deep reads. It could be friend reads that you would
recommend to our audience.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Uh huh. I always recommend the Bible first and foremost reading.
Read the book.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Read the book.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Everything else came from don't listen to me, don't listen
to him, don't listen to the wrong. Read the book,
read the book, ultimate book. Okay, first and foremost, read
the book. It's a tougher read, but read it. There's
some good stuff. Now highlight it, maybe your own Okay.
After that. One that's very fascinating is a book called
Who's Switched Off Your Brain. It's by a female Christian neuroscientist,

(46:46):
and it's about the neurophysiological differences between men and women,
and she'll like bring in scripture, and so for example,
it's got all these endearing chapters. My favorite chapter is
he boil over and cools off. She slowly simmers all
day and it just shows it's just beautiful calls and

(47:08):
scripture brings us in and it like and so a
female Christian neuroscientists. That's a pretty excellent combination of things.
That's a really fun one. If you're building a business
and you have a team of people, rocket Fuel it's excellent.
It talks about how there's there's basically two types of people.
You can kind of have a bit of both, but
there's visionaries and integrators. I'm a visionary and visionaries are

(47:30):
basically they're basically like you need them. They make money
and they're extremely frustrating to work with. And integrators are
like organized and like the way that me and my
team describe it is like I blaze the trail and
I'm like done, and they're like, what we just cut
a path through the forest. There's no stones, there's no one.

(47:50):
I'm like, let's make a new trail, guys. So rocket
Fuel really good for team development and business. If you're
a parent, I would recommend reading a book called Why
A Students Work for C students and B Students Work
for the Government. It's it's by the same guy that

(48:11):
wrote Think and Grow Rich. It's by Robert Kayasaki. Why
A Students Work for C students and B Students Work
for the Government. Definitely, Yeah, it's a really really it's
a really really good one. And I need to remember
this guy's name one second, see if I can find
it hard I have any kay I have a post

(48:38):
on my I have a post on my Instagram. I
really recommend going check it out. I can't find it
and I can't remember the name right now. There's just
two things that I just honestly I want to tell you.
If we're on a podcast, I don't want to tell
you these things. There's this guy, his name's like doctor,
I don't know, it's some African name, something Kunjufu or
something like that. And he he basically was like, what's

(49:03):
wrong with the African American culture right now? And he
came in He's like, what's going on right now? And
so what he did is he went all around the
world and he observed what he calls high achieving homes.
High achieving homes. There's five things that they do. I
hope I can remember all five right now. If not
check out the post. If I forget, I'm gonna be like,

(49:24):
gotta check out my post. Go check out. One of
them was they believe the future was going to be better,
not worse. One of them was they had high expectations.
One of them, and I know this is a big
struggle in the inner cities, is praise. The parents praised
the children ridiculously high standards. Me met with praise. And

(49:48):
if you want to see the other two, you got
to go to my post.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Not just follow.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
The other thing that I wanted to say, real quick.
Harvard study four hundred and fifty four, four hundred and
fifty four inner city kids or families or something like
that for families, for fans, can remember all the stats.
Self esteem, Okay, self esteem and self worth is my
greatest downfall if I can, if I go to all
of it, because I take accountability for everything that happens

(50:15):
to me now. And if I go why, if I
keep asking why, it goes down to a self worth issue.
And I also know this to be a big, a
big ali It's what I call it, a big aUI
for for inner city kids. If you want to instill
self esteem in your children, they have to have responsibility.
Put them to work. They're five years old. Your job

(50:38):
is to you know, but the feed the cat every
day at four.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Some response, some responsibility, Yeah, responsibility. And so just just
really wanted to like bring that, bring that forward because
it was it was a profound study. It's a Harvard study.
You can find it. But you give kids responsibility and
you don't micromanage. It's a great predecessor to them having
self esteem, which is obviously a prerequisite for self awareness

(51:09):
and success.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
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(51:52):
we thank God for you. Enjoy the rest of your day, peace, Peace,