February 19, 2025 • 50 mins
Want to achieve entrepreneurial success at any age? Join host NaRon Tillman on Walk in Victory for an inspiring conversation with young entrepreneur Christian Perry. Christian shares his incredible journey, from starting a candy resale business as a child to running a company with international employees at just 13 years old. This episode explores the evolving landscape of AI technology and entrepreneurship, highlighting the importance of staying ahead of the curve with tools like ChatGPT. Discover how to leverage your unique advantages, find valuable mentors, and excel in today's business world by understanding and applying emerging technologies. Christian emphasizes the importance of completing tasks, building a strong support system, and maintaining an entrepreneurial mindset even when facing challenges.
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Key Takeaways:
- The importance of leveraging AI and technology for business success.
- Practical advice for young entrepreneurs navigating the business world.
- The value of mentorship and building a strong support system.
- Overcoming challenges and maintaining an entrepreneurial mindset.
- The importance of completing tasks and staying focused on goals.
- 00:00 Introduction and Host Welcome
- 01:27 Norman's Business Journey (Consider changing to NaRon's Business Journey)
- 02:23 Candy Business Lessons
- 05:13 Generational Wealth and AI
- 08:34 Christian's Entrepreneurial Beginnings
- 16:13 Building a Business at 13
- 24:47 Entrepreneurial Challenges and Community
- 27:18 Navigating Early Entrepreneurial Challenges
- 27:56 Balancing College and Business Ambitions
- 28:32 The Importance of Completing What You Start
- 29:26 Facing Highs and Lows in Entrepreneurship
- 30:16 Support Systems and Self-Reliance
- 33:09 Understanding Venture Capital Expectations
- 36:43 Leveraging AI for Business Success
- 37:40 Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs
- 41:55 The Power of Prompt Engineering
- 46:13 Looking Ahead: Future Goals and Reflections
- 47:29 Final Thoughts and Call to Action
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You have an idea, I think going to these AI
resources that we have because it's trained on data from
very smart entrepreneurs, from very great sources. And you say, Hey,
what questions should I be answering?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Dude? It afternoon, Good day, good evening. I don't know
what time you're listening or were you listening from your boy,
your host Lauran Tillman, and you are with me for
another episode of Walk in Victory. Speaking of victory walk.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Warning, this is a public service announcement. The Walk in
Victory podcast is where we have conversations purpose to evolve lives.
You may not want to evolve, then tune into another
bleeping podcast. Everyone else enjoy the show and here's our host.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Good afternoon, good day, Good evening. I don't know what
time you're listening or where you're listening from. It's your boy,
your host Luran Tillman, and you are with me for
another episode of Walk in Victory. Speaking of victory walks,
I think I'm gonna I got on a suit today
because I had to go do some work, but I
(01:03):
think I'm gonna start doing my interviews in the suit
because I'm kind of liking the way, you know, I
look mature. Usually I have on a hoodie or whatever,
and I have a lot of suits and stuff that
just kind of go to waste because everybody dressed down.
I think I'm gonna go with the whole dress up approach.
(01:24):
But that's neither here nor there. I started my first business.
I didn't start the business. I was pulled into a
business when I was nineteen years old, construction business. And
if you've been the follower with us, you've heard me
say this on a number of occasions. And I was green.
(01:48):
I was fresh off the streets. So if you take
into account business that I did on the streets, I
grew up in a real rough neighborhood. So candy not
like candy, like real candy. I sold candy. That was
the first time that I ever had the entrepreneurial bug.
I don't eat a lot of candy. I never really did.
(02:10):
But I was a hustler, meaning like I didn't mind
getting up and going. We lived in a project tenement
where we had thirteen stories and a bunch of housing
projects around us. And I would go trick or treating,
but I would start in the day and I would
probably not end tonight. And I would come home with
(02:30):
bags and bags of candy. But I noticed, and this
is the first point in business, the need the kids
in my class I was in elementary school. They would
eat the candy, eat the candy, eat the can. Then
they start coming down, but they have no more candy
because they ran through their candy. So I would hold
my candy and we would have candy called down Ladors
(02:53):
now and Laters, but we called it down Lators. You know.
We condensed all the works together, and for one pack
of now and Leaders was fifty when I was coming up.
Some places sold it for a quarter because they had
four inn impact, some had six in the pack. Then
(03:14):
they had the big square tank, taffy ones and all
that other stuff. But I would take my packs apart
and sell one for five cents because they were they
were itching for it. Man, the candy rush was gone.
Nobody had candy. They used to sell pretzews and all
(03:34):
that other stuff in my uh elementary school, but nobody
had what I had. I had that stuff that they needed,
especially after after Halloween. And so from Halloween to so
my mother used to always asking where you get all
this money from this hour? But I would stash my money,
put it in the sod, stash my money away. I
(03:55):
sent my kids to private school, and they were both
in a private Catholic school here in Queens and I
got a phone call and my son is twenty one,
my daughter is eighteen, say three years apart, so you
(04:16):
can imagine. But they would go buy candy. They're standing
in front of the and they're like, now we got
we got we got better product. So that mentality I
kind of passed on, and I had to really tell
it all right, you can't stand right in front of
the people that you're going against and undercut them when
(04:39):
you know so you got to learn parameters. I said
all that to say, today's conversation is going to be
interesting because again I said, I started at nineteen. I
started selling candy when I was young. I was in
the streets, so we did stupid stuff throughout those j's
and I never discussed those things. I don't come on
here to this that's horror stories. I come up on
(05:02):
here to talk about walking victory. So you'll never hear
from the time I sold candy to the time I
saw the cabinet. That's not my conversation. My conversation is
how can you prepare our next generation to think about wealth,
generational wealth, business and entrepreneurial stuff. And I said this
(05:25):
on previous episode. Now I'm going to continue saying this.
We are in a window and it's probably about going
to be about a three to three and a half
your window where you can set position your family, position
yourself to create wealth like you've never imagined. It doesn't
(05:46):
matter if you're janitor, it doesn't matter if you are black,
it doesn't matter if you're white, because what's happening with
AI and everything that's going on. If you're position yourself
now and becoming an authority at the ground floor, and
I'm saying we're at the ground floor. You probably needed
(06:08):
to be in it like six months ago, maybe eight
to ten months ago, But it's still enough room that
you can influence your audience. And I'm going to keep
champion this course because there's some people out there that
can become wealthy and change your life by understanding what
(06:28):
I talk about, what other guests. But also as you
see this journey, Christian, how are.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You, I'm doing well? Really appreciate you having me on there.
Love that story. I did the same thing growing up
through school I would buy these candies from an Asian
market that nobody knew where these things came from. And
I was selling them for way more more than I
and you know, people are like, I can't find these anywhere,
and they couldn't read the bags either, so they couldn't
(06:55):
look it up or search it. And so I was
going and selling it for you know, five six times
that I was paying for it. And so love that story.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, so so all right. So it was something in
me that that drove me to say, Okay, I had
a free marketplace where I can get the goods. And
I went and I knocked down people doing this in
trick or treat trick or tree trick and Tree. You
you invested a little bit, but you you saw that
(07:24):
I can I can take this and I can mark
it up and there is a real sugar rush when
you're a monks your peers. I wasn't in the candy,
but they were. And we met a need if we
was to simplify business, isn't that just all that business is?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah? Absolutely. I That's something we talk about internally with
my team all of the time, is what need are
we meeting for somebody today? There's a lot of companies
out there that are trying to build four or five
years from now. Not to say that that's not a
great business model or something to work on, but if
you're trying to figure out how do you especially if
you're bootstrapped. My last company before this one, you know,
(08:10):
I had one hundred bucks and I put that entire
hundred bucks into that company I was. I had, you know,
a very smart person that I was working with at
the time, and we put in one hundred bucks and
scaled that very rapidly, raised venture capital, et cetera. But yeah,
if you're able to meet a need today, you really
don't need necessarily a ton of startup capital if there
(08:31):
truly is a need for what you're providing.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Let's go into your history you talk about bootstrapping meet
in needs. First of all, this year, I know, you
know people, I'll be fifty years old in September. How
old are you?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I am twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
When I was twenty eight, I think I just lost
everything I had when I was I was twenty out
of twenty seven. When I lost twenty four, it was
all those years messed together, so everything came crashing down.
I built, I had money. I would walk around with
(09:14):
all the money in my pocket and stuff like, but
I didn't understand systems, infrastructure, the things that we're talking
about right now. Where did you find from that you
going and buying that candy in China in the area
that nobody else understood me knocking on doors saying trick
(09:36):
or treat? Where did you find your infrastructure that you
can now lead a team and say, hey, we got
to meet the need. Got to meet the need. That's
the most important key element.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, I was very fortunate to grow up in a
household that was entrepreneurial. My father, you know, started his
own business, did not want to go to the corporate
route though he probably could have, and very early on,
which is you know why I loved you sharing about,
you know, kind of directing your kids on, you know,
really early on, hey how do you kind of make
(10:11):
it for yourself? Because it's so rewarding to be able
to do that right and work on something and grow something.
And so I did grow up with very early on,
when I had an idea, my father would ask me,
you know, he kind of encouraged me to have these
ideas and then would really ask questions, how is this
going to work? Is it meeting a need? Whose needs
going to meet it? Are there other people already meeting
(10:33):
those needs? And so asking really good questions about that,
which is something nowadays if you don't necessarily have that
mentor resource Number one, I always encourage looking for mentors.
Mentors have gotten me to where I am today. But
if you're not able to find that, asking chat ept,
I mean we do this for our new products, right
we say, you know, we just created a new form
(10:55):
to determine what products we want to build, and I,
you know, came up with some short kind of hey,
here are some of the things I think of? What
else am I missing? What should we know or be
thinking about before launching a new product? And chat ept
did ninety percent of the work, right Ye. If you
have an idea, I think going to these AI resources
that we have because it's trained on data from very
(11:18):
smart entrepreneurs, from very great sources, and you say, hey,
what questions should I be answering or should I know
the answer to before I start a business or before
I start this business? And it's going to give you
a lot of great direction.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
There's two things that I like about you already as
an interviewer. I don't think that you're pre because we
never met, we don't talk. But I like that you
sus think what it is that you want to respond to.
You're very clear, when did you realize that that was
(11:54):
a gift? Because it is a gift, is a gift
to be sustinct, because because if you're in negotiation, if
you're let if you allow your emotions to get involved,
you might say something like we want to pay you
the money anyway, right, But then like, but there's there's
a part of us that has to be reserved. Some
(12:14):
people might call it cold or callous, there's a part
that has to be still interactive. How did how do
you develop your personality being so successful at an early
age where you don't seem to come off out of touch.
(12:35):
We don't seem to come off cold to callous, but
you can still be interpersonal but give just enough to
make a person say, okay, he understands. Sure.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I think it's a muscle number one, and it's something
that you have to train. I mean, I think some
people are probably born or raised with that muscle a
little bit stronger than others. But myself, I've really had
to focus even on the way I communicate one of
the things that a lot of people do, and I
probably still not perfect with it, but I've gotten a
(13:10):
ton better as I used to all the time in
between the things that I was saying, and that really
impacts how your message is received. You don't see him
as concise, you don't see him as clear. And I've
worked really hard on training that muscle and recognizing kind
of the more times you chat with people, the faster
that muscle becomes, and the stronger that muscle becomes. In
(13:32):
terms of trying to talk to different people, my life
has been a little bit up and down. I mean,
I grow up, grew up in a pretty upper middle
class household, and then I made some choices going through
college and through high school that kind of estranged me
a little bit from my family, and so I wasn't
(13:54):
really in that at all, right, I mean, I was
not living an upper class lifestyle by any means. And
so I guess I've kind of been on both sides
of the fence there and learned a lot and yeah,
and interacted with all kinds of different people.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
And so how did you learn? You learned what you
learned from your childhood, but the juxtaposing positions being someone
who grew up in and can say hey, and you say, honestly,
I grew up in upper mint, the class you chose
to go down to whatever wherever it is that you did, right.
(14:35):
But do you think that there's a nice blend of
the two where you can understand a person that has
probably fell or lost and a person that already obtained
and gained And how do you blend that message for
(14:56):
you and your company and your brand.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Sure, so we really focus on and I've surrounded myself
with a lot of really great people and that's something
that's super important in business as well as if I
don't personally have those experiences, then finding somebody who does
have those experiences that you can is super important. We've
(15:23):
got fifty five people that work work with us, and yeah,
some of the all of them have lived different lives
than I have, you know, and they've all lived different
lives from each other, right, And that's part of what
makes I think us so successful, is that diversity of
people that we have on our staff who have lived
different lifestyles and are able to communicate differently and also
(15:44):
look at things differently than I would through my experiences
or through anyone else on the team and their experiences.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
So people probably sitting there asking what the hell is Christian?
Do explain to us who on what your company is
and what are you improving the world now?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Sure, So I've always been very entrepreneurial, and I've always
really tried training that muscle. As I said, when I
was in school, I was selling candy. And then my
first I guess business was when I was nine and
I got a ten dollar loan from my father at
one percent interest, and I went and bought auto pops
and some ice stuck in a cooler and walked along
(16:27):
the beach selling auto pops, right, and did that for
an entire day. Didn't make a ton of money, but
made some money and learned learned it, I mean a
ton of invaluable experience just through that about you know,
taking this loan, paying back this loan. I mean, my
father wasn't trying to make any money off of that, right,
he was just trying to help me train that muscles
(16:48):
I brought it brought up earlier and from there, when
I was thirteen years old, I started my first business
with two employees. One was based in Brazil and one
was based in China.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Whoa and see as A as A as an interview er,
I can't just let you pass that by. You're thirteen
years old. You have now from nine years old to thirteen,
what was the business? We got to slow down here, sure,
China and Brazil, you got a workforce. Now what were
(17:21):
you doing? Just elaborate just a little bit and we're
going to fast forward. But I just need our audience
to hear.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah. So another thing is working in a space that
you understand or love. If you have any kind of
I call it, you know, people call it unfair advantage.
Right where you had this experience. My unfair advantage or
even just what I loved was a video game at
the time called RuneScape, essentially a game where you go
(17:50):
in and play multiplayer, you can interact with other people,
there's marketplaces, there's all of that, and then there's an
in game currency called gold. There were a lot of
people I was a thirteen year old with a lot
of time but not a lot of money, and there
were a lot of people who had a lot of money,
a job, but not a lot of time, who liked
playing this game. And so what I would do is
(18:11):
essentially I was a little bit techy at that point.
I spent a lot of my time on the computer
and found that there were these forums and websites where
people would essentially say, hey, look, I work a nine
to five, I don't have time to play this game,
which is a very grindy game. And what that means
is essentially you sit there for hours and hours mining
rocks to level up your account to be able to
(18:33):
mine better rocks. And so these people said, I don't
want to sit here in mining rocks all day, but
I do want to be able to, you know, collect
the best resources in the game. And so I said, hey,
I will go and I'll level up. I'll sit there
and mind those rocks for you in exchange for compensation,
and so they would pay me to do that. I
started getting enough people that wanted me to level up
(18:55):
their accounts that I then went and tried to find
other people who had time and didn't have a lot
of money, right, and so it started with me doing
all the work. Then it went to me having two people,
one in Brazil one in China who would do the work.
And it was my job all day to just find
(19:15):
new people who wanted to get their accounts leveled up.
From there, I went and hired a developer to essentially
create a computer program that would then go and mind
the rocks for me.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
So, well, no, we kept the people because the things
were not perfect, right, And so now it wasn't just
their job to mind rocks on one account anymore. It
was to make sure that this computer program didn't stop breaking. Yeah,
didn't break, and so shifted their roles correct. Yeah, So
(19:53):
they essentially went from mining the rocks themselves to you know,
managing ten computer programs and making sure that they were
working in the whole time mining the rocks. I say
mining in the rocks. There was a lot of other
skills in the game, but just for simplicity's sake, mining
the rocks. And really learned a ton there. I mean,
I learned that how to talk to people, right. I
(20:17):
learned that not everybody goes into business deals with good intentions, right,
So learning about when to take money up front, how
to split something so that it's fair between the buyer
and the seller, and just also learn the importance of reputation.
You're able to build up a positive Because these websites
(20:39):
had these things called vouches. Since it's online, you don't
really know who everybody is, don't know where they live.
They will where somebody can post and say, hey, I
vouch for this person, and so I collected it on
your profile. I collected a ton of vouches and really
realized at that point how important that reputation is, and
(21:01):
that if you don't have a positive reputation, people are
going to go somewhere else, even if it's more expensive.
And so you can charge more for that positive reputation
and get a lot more business than somebody who otherwise
is trying to take super shortcuts.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So let me ask you something else. And I'm stuttering
because I got an eleven year old son too. I
have a twenty year twenty one year old, seventeen year
old she's in music, he's in music. But then have
an eleven year old I want to be in business, right?
(21:39):
How valuable? So this is a personal question for me.
How valuable or how much did you lean on to
your dad to help you as you develop this or
did you feel confident enough to say, I'm going to
develop this without him, just so I could show him
(22:02):
what I've done.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So I got kind of the nudge from my father
this entire time, I'm not sure. Granted, when I was thirteen,
that was that was a while ago. I remember he
was all that involved in what I was doing at
that point. I'm sure I asked him questions, but I
don't think I directly said, Hey, I'm playing a video
(22:26):
game all day.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, and I want to know about yeah, yeah, level,
yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I but my father made it very clear to me
that I can ask him these questions. And I used
to go on hikes with him as well, where I
would just I've always been very curious, and I think
that's something that has been an asset for me absolutely
kind of growing up throughout my whole life, as just
being curious. And so we would go on hikes and
I would ask him questions all the time about you know,
(22:56):
what do you think about this? And you would answer
the things he knew, and if he'd didn't know it,
he would say, let's look it up, let's try and
find it out.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yep, okay. And business, it's not really about the thing
that like you're in you was doing at that time
video games, So it's really not about the game. It's
how do we solve the problem exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And that problem was these people did not have time
to play this game the whole time, but they wanted
to be a high level in the game, right, And
so that was a problem, and I wasn't. I don't
think I had the wherewithal at thirteen to really realize, Okay,
this is the problem I'm solving versus you know, and
how what is my competitive edge or competitive advantage over
the other people trying to solve the problem. But I
(23:40):
did recognize where I was in terms of I'm willing
to do this and the money that these people are
paying me is more valuable than the time I'm putting
into me. Right.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
When did you begin to understand You're thirteen, you had
this idea. You went from candy, you went to video games,
something that you love, both things that all kids love.
When did you start to understand and they start to
click competitive advantage, meeting the need all of these pillars
(24:17):
of successful business to where you build a million dollar
business at an age that most people would they beg
to build in a lifetime. When did you start to
really say, Okay, this is what my dad was saying,
or if you have other coaches, this is what the
(24:38):
coaches are saying, this is what I've been trained to see.
When did that happen?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I think kind of when I was nineteen and I
started my last company, Chatterplant, was where I really started
understanding that because my video game business wasn't super social,
I wasn't leaning on a ton of different people. More
in terms of I wasn't interacting with other entrepreneurs, which
is super helpful to learn from and understand it and
(25:09):
grow once you start interacting with other people who have
been through it. And that's the beautiful thing about the
entrepreneurial community is so many people are willing to help.
They realize how tough it is. It is being an
entrepreneur is not easy. It takes. It depends on what
you're doing and what you're trying to build, but either way,
(25:30):
it's something that not a lot of people understand the
problems and the stresses and the issues that you go
through as an entrepreneur, and a lot of other entrepreneurs
have a lot of sympathy for that. And in general,
I would say the community is very willing to help
other people because they realize how difficult it is. It's
not something I mean, Elon Musk talked about one of
(25:53):
his you know, founder friends who had done very well,
built a company, sold it for sixty million, and elon
and asked him, Hey, you know, why don't you start
another one? And he says, because I truly believe starting
a company is like chewing on glass and staring into
the abyss. I mean, it is very difficult. There is
so much stress, and you really have to want to
(26:14):
do it. And if you want to do it, and
other people in the entrepreneurial community see that, they're often
willing to help.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah. I never heard that quote before, but that is
what it's. Starting a new project is, like I have.
I have several projects that's going on, and I've been
an entrepreneur all my life. So I get excited if
you take on investors, if you're listening, I get excited
(26:46):
when I build a project and it can pay for
itself within a year and a half, like, oh, oh,
we are onto something, because if we could pay for itself,
then I can scale it up. I've learned. If I
build a project and it can't pay for yourself within
a year a year and a half, it might not
(27:08):
be a good project. It may be good, but I
might need to refine it, or I may need to
scrap it. If you ask for people to invest. If
he asks a novice that's not entrepreneurial to invest, they're
looking for two weeks. Hey man, how hey Christian? How's
(27:31):
everything going? Hey hey Christian? You know he said you're
doing that thing like how we looking? And if you
explain it to him, they don't really understand. Talk to
me about when at nineteen now you're starting to scale up.
You've amassed a certain amount of credibility, a certain amount
(27:54):
of success. Were you still in college? I was, yes,
did you graduate? I did my reluctantly and found were
so reluctant.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
No, I I guess my college journey was eight years long.
Most people's is four. I kept dropping because I got
excited about a business that I was running where I
needed more time and ended up graduating because I was close, right,
I there was, and I'm so glad that I did.
I think it was. You know, it makes me feel
(28:30):
a lot better having done.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
So let's talk about that though, seriously, in your entrepreneur
your journey, because I just had to have this conversation
with myself completing something like even if you once you
get to the point where he's like, I don't really
(28:54):
don't need this, but just having that satisfaction that comes
to doublemin In fact, I teach mindfulness and yoga and
all that stuff too. So the impact that it has
on your mind when you finished, When you start something
and you complete it, how did that feel for you?
Even though you had to do an eight year journey.
You probably is making more money than everybody. You probably
(29:14):
is making more money than your professors. Oh, but it
still makes you feel what.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I think it goes back to it. It's a muscle
as well. Getting things done and following things kind of
through to the end is super important, and especially as entrepreneurs,
because entrepreneurs it's a hard journey. That might sound like
a theme throughout my conversation here, but it really is
a difficult journey, and there's going to be incredibly high
(29:44):
highs and incredibly low lows. Right when you brought up
you had some you know, one of your businesses blow up.
I mean that is a low low. And if you're
working a nine to five, you're not going to experience
just that. And the stakes can be a lot higher
if you're running business, especially if you've taken loans or
you have investors or you know credit, right, I mean,
(30:05):
the business blows up and you still if you did
it like a small business loan, you still own oh
that loan, right, that doesn't go away. And so I've
I grit is super important. And I would say that
I've really worked on training that muscle to be resilient
and finish things. And you get the dopamine hit. And
(30:28):
as I said, when I say muscle, you're training your
brain about the importance of finishing things and getting through things,
and that impacts other areas of your life for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Some would probably say, all right, Christian, you know, I
know your dad was super supportive. He was an entrepreneur,
and I know your background. Like if one of your
friends is listening to this, and if ever you would
have follow on your face, shit, dad would have just
came and lifted you up. What would you say to that?
How much did you not want to? Because I know
(31:01):
the entrepreneur or your muscle, you would. I would, and
I have. I was living homeless. I didn't want nobody
to know. I thought when I came around, I came
around like I was the last time they saw me.
But that wasn't who I was. How how is that
(31:22):
for that progress for you? Because every entrepreneur has to
go through highs and have to go through low, really
low lows. What was the resiliency inside of you, young man,
to say, I'm not gonna ask, I'm not gonna lean
on nobody else, I'm gonna pull myself out.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, great question. I absolutely have an unfair advantage over
some people having had my not everybody has their parents,
you know, as supportive as mine, where I can't say
for undetectable my current venture I have not. I didn't
get any investment from my parents. I did not raise
a single dollar from any family members and kind of
(32:07):
did all of that. But at the end of the day,
I did have a base that some other people did
not have. That does not mean that other people can't
train those muscles. They just have to, I guess, be
a little bit more deliberate about it on their end.
And that's where these resources and I bring up those
resources like chat GPT's super helpful for people I've again,
(32:34):
I had that advantage with my father believing in me
and saying, you know, you should try it. He would
help me ask those questions that I brought up. But
at the end of the day, it was me deciding
that this is the journey that I wanted to go down.
And it wasn't always great. I mean towards the beginning,
I had my last company acquired, but it was not
(32:56):
what most people would consider a successful exp right, we
raised a ton of mine and you know we're bought,
but not for you know, a massive it's called multiple.
So it wasn't for anything like way more than the investors.
And so what a venture capital or investors looking for is, hey,
I'm investing my money in a risky spot, which just
(33:16):
about any startup is a risky spot. And they didn't
get their one hundred x return, which is what most
venture capitalists are looking for. They're saying, hey, you know,
if I wanted just a few percent a year, I
would invest in the stock market. That's not what they
are looking to do. I'm sorry, I feel like I
haven't quite answered your question.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
No, you have, you have, because what you did right there,
you was like showing somebody one with venture capitalists are
looking for to your vulnerability. Yeah, and you admitting, all right,
may I have had some advantages, but that doesn't that
doesn't exempt you from the grind, right, right, just because
(34:03):
Dann Marinos my dad don't mean that I can play
football and and and what happens is I don't know
what your dad was into, your mom, like, what your
family was into. When you walk in the room, they're like, oh,
that's such and such. So you might be able to
get a meeting, but if your product is crap, what
(34:24):
they're going to tell you at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Even even more than that, I'm in a completely separate
space and my right and and even with some of
that I've had, Yeah, I've been fortunate that I can
run things by my father. But with my first company,
I was I was really focusing on how do I
grow social media following? And you know that's not my
(34:48):
father's area of expertise either, And he's going, why would
you why? Why does that matter how many followers you have?
How is that helpful? Right? And it's my response or
thought was, Hey, I can grow this and use that
as a base to distribute my product or my service
to people. And so, yeah, it has not been directly
(35:09):
introductions or one you know, one on one that's gotten
me where I am.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
And you know, for because someone would say, not me,
someone from the outside would say, or you're a young
man and you're successful, so they would actually look for
the root of your success. And what I want to
get across to our audience is that the root of
your success is you.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I would agree with that. Yeah, and it's I've heard
the kind of allegory. I guess you would call it
of a ladder.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Some people start higher up on the ladder than other
people do in terms of, you know, having more resources
to start with. But I mean there are plenty of
people with millions of dollars who blow it off, right,
just because they had that advantage, fall off the ladder.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
We're not a president, not this not this president. But
we had a president George W. Bush. He was He
had the Texas Rangers bankrupt them. He he bankrupt like
five companies. And I'm not talking against the president, and
I love our presidents, but this is a fact and
you can go look it up. So just because somebody
gives you or you have anything, doesn't mean that you're
(36:24):
going to be successful. And I'm sorry to cross cut you,
but go ahead and finish that thought. I just wanted
to give our audience that.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
You're absolutely right. And I think if you look at
it as oh, I don't have what that person had
and so I'm not going to be successful, then you're
not going to climb up the ladder.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
What are we doing now, it's twenty twenty five, we
have the the we're in the APEX because I don't
think we've reached the peak of AI. We're in the
climb the ascent APEX means, but the ascent because I'll
probably use apex wrow. We're in acent of AI where
(37:05):
there's a lot of people that can change their lives
if they just took the time to do that. What
is your message? What would be your message to entrepreneurs
who may be struggling a little bit in the online market,
you kind of understand it, explaining them what it is
that you do and explaining them the opportunity that can
(37:26):
come with I believe within the next three to three
and a half to four years there's a tight window.
But if they do ABC and D, you got the floor.
I'm done.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah. If you look at these new technologies and really
try to stay up to date with them, like make
it a second full time job or even part time job.
Anything you're able to do to stay up to date
with all the new technologies that are coming out and
all of the new I mean, there is so much
being disrupted if you keep your eyes open and think
(38:02):
about is there a need here that I can help,
Even if you're not building software, if you're not the
one building an AI company things like that, but you
understand that AI technology and how it works. There's all
these AI sales development representatives, which means like salespeople that
are being built and released right now. Most companies don't
(38:26):
know what to do with that. Most small businesses have
no idea, don't stay up to date on what's late.
And so if you're able to understand these technologies, you
can even do something like as a create a service
where you're going and helping connect small businesses with these
new technologies to give them them an advantage. That's something
that all businesses are looking for is how do I
(38:48):
find an advantage or how do I reduce costs or
how do I increase my ability to reach out to people?
That was I guess one of the things I've forgotten
my journey was one of my businesses is at That
was the one that nineteen was this one, the chatter kwant.
My last company was at twenty one when I was nineteen.
It was reaching out to small businesses who didn't have
(39:09):
a presence on Google. I didn't work for Google. I
didn't do anything like that, but I just said, hey,
you know, you're able to go and put a square
a box on the internet. So when someone looks you up,
it'll show your phone number, it, I'll show your website,
it'll show pictures, and you know, we see it all
the time if you look up a restaurant says call
(39:30):
reserve book, things like that. A lot of the businesses
in the area I was living didn't have that. So
I just called and said, hey, I'm going to connect
you to technology. And that was hugely valuable to them,
and I charged that service. Right, So if you're able
to do something there and you really understand what's going
on in AI, you have a huge leg up. And
people are very willing to pay for that and pay
(39:52):
a lot of money for that because it's so new
and you are starting. I kind of, as you said,
six months ago to twelve months ago really was the
ground floor. But we're still at the very beginning, and
so there's nobody with twenty years of experience, and I
don't want to say nobody.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
But.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Very very very few people with twenty years of experience
in AI right especially compared to the demand for AI.
And so if you're able to tap into that and
really try and understand how it works, understand how to
build a prompt on chat GBT, you've created a lot
of value that you can then add whether you want
to stay working for a company or go and start
your own business. There was so much opportunity there, and
(40:33):
with all of these new AI agents. For instance, if
you understand how to use an AI agent, you'll have
ten people who want to come and hire you or
purchase purchase from you. And so there's just so much
new technology. If you understand that technology, you're going to
be valuable within the workforce or whilst building a company.
(40:56):
And so that would probably be the biggest advice I'd
have is just stay up to date, try to learn
and stay curious about these new technologies, because if you
understand them, most people will not, and you're going to
be very valuable, whether it's through building a business or
through just a nine to five.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I'm building the AI. A few AI agents now and
when I when I took on the task, I was like,
because I didn't know about APIs, I didn't know about
all the back end stuff that I'm like, it seems so.
So I've started with courses. I was taking some courses
(41:38):
and then as you're taken courses, for me, like my
mind starts to work quick. I'm like, okay, so I
liking stuff to this, like oh this is like this,
this is like that. Then the best thing that I've done,
(41:59):
and I want you to close. We're going to close
on this was understanding prompt engineering before you try to
stick your toe into any of this stuff. How you
prompt how you talk to the devices. One of the
(42:20):
things that I learned about prompt engineering, and I thought
it was that it was cute and clever and funny.
But it's also the way that a guy would pick
up a girl. Right. You give good compliments, Oh, you're
so helpful. It makes the engineer that the thing that
you're talking to give you a little bit more by
(42:41):
being kind, by being gracious, by having gratitude when you
look at where people are struggling at For me being
fifty year old and not being able to understand this
new model.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
What would you say, I mean, I would say it's
looking into courses. Just like you said, nine point five
out of ten people aren't going to do it, and
so if you're willing to do it, you're going to
have a leg up. I guess I have said that
a lot, but really trying to find your unfair advantage
(43:19):
and if you don't have one, do how do you get?
How do you go and find it? And your time
and effort is enough to get there. If you're willing
to put in the time and effort and other people aren't,
then that's that's how you can create or hone that
unfair advantage. In terms of prompt engineering, the thing I
always think about is that don't give it extra information
(43:44):
that it doesn't need, but make sure to give it
everything that it does need. If you go, if you
go and say it's a thirty degree day outside, I
really want to do this, but please write me a
poem about this, it's to get confused by that additional
it's a thirty degree day outside, And so giving as
(44:05):
much information as succinctly as you can to chat GPT
or any of these ais, recognizing that you're not they're
trying to build it so you can chat with it
as every day as possible. But you will be a
lot more effective by trying to think, what is something
that it needs to know or would be helpful for
it to know? And how do I not include anything
(44:26):
that's not helpful for it?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Oh my god, I'm glad that you said that, because
I was going when I was twenty two years old
and I just got kicked out of college for the
second time, and I was going through but I wanted
to write, and I developed the muscle for writing. But
all of these books and I started to read about words, syntax,
(44:50):
context and all these things and breaking down words, etymologies
and YadA, YadA, YadA, because I talked a lot, but
I sometimes you just don't know what you're saying. But
once I learned, ain't writing one of the things that
I can't remember what books, words work and talk about
cut the fact that you don't need that's prompt engineering.
(45:14):
It doesn't matter that it's thirty degrees out today. Take
that up. People don't really realize how to communicate effectively
in person, So it's going to be ten times more
difficult in marketing, ten times more difficult in AI ten
(45:40):
times more difficult in finding your customer. When you are
able to streamline your message and really really get down
to the grassroots of what it is that I'm selling,
what it is that I want to communicate, then you'll
be better. I usually ask people for the last question
(46:03):
what books have impacted them, But because I'm so impressed
with you in your resume, this is where I want
to ask you, and We're going to archive this. If
I have this conversation with you ten years from now,
you're thirty something years old, I'll be almost sixty, and
we sit down again, what would have have happened between
(46:28):
now and then? Oh?
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Man, I that question scares me a little bit. I
don't want to assume anything. And that's again part of
I think what's going to hopefully keep my business and
myself successful is recognizing that there's always going to be
somebody else that's trying to, you know, take the spot
(46:54):
you're in or take market share from you. And so
I guess what I'm hoping is that I maintain my drive,
I maintain my willingness to work with people, to connect
with people, to treat people well, especially the people you
know on my side, and that I will continue to grind.
(47:18):
That's what I hope has happened in ten years, because
any of the other stuff I want is not going
to happen if I don't do those things.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
And now you have it, everybody. I told you, we
see you at the feet of the masters, as you
heard me and Christian went deep into AI, into business,
into mindset development, and I know that you got key takeaways.
We don't actually for cash apps, we don't actually for venmos.
I'm not begging for donations. But what I do beg for,
(47:51):
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we can help impact other people lives. And because of you,
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(48:12):
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where you are. Set your business so that you can
(48:54):
be an intricate part of financial growth for somebody else.
And Christian has a last ay.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yeah, if I guess I just wanted to throw out
there along with what you were saying there, if anybody
is looking to start a new business or wants to
talk something through, I'm I'm happy to keep my door open.
I'd love to keep my door open. Reach out to
me on LinkedIn, Christian Perry or email me see Perry
at undetectable dot ai, so c P E R R
(49:23):
y at undetectable dot ai. And I'm happy to chat
with anybody who's looking to become an entrepreneur or just
trying to figure things out.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
And that's what we say. All of Christian's information is
in the description under his name with this company is
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and go to him and get that cloudy call. If
you have a young I really want to say this
before before I go. If you have a young man
a young woman, don't discourage them from business. Linked them
(49:57):
with with somebody if they if they have the entrepreneurs
sp or you may not have ever started a business,
but that doesn't mean that they can't do it. You
just don't know how to direct them to do it,
or maybe your voice is mute to them, but they
can still join this victory walk together. We can walk
in victory and enjoy the rest of your day. Peace,
(50:23):
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timmy listening and or were you listening from It's your Boy.
You're host and Laran tell me and you are with
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You have an idea, I think going to these AI
resources that we have because it's trained on data from
very smart entrepreneurs, from very great sources. And you say, Hey,
what questions should I be answering?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Dude? It afternoon, Good day, good evening. I don't know
what time you're listening or were you listening from your boy,
your host Lauran Tillman, and you are with me for
another episode of Walk in Victory. Speaking of victory walk.
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Good afternoon, good day, Good evening. I don't know what
time you're listening or where you're listening from. It's your boy,
your host Luran Tillman, and you are with me for
another episode of Walk in Victory. Speaking of victory walks,
I think I'm gonna I got on a suit today
because I had to go do some work, but I
(01:03):
think I'm gonna start doing my interviews in the suit
because I'm kind of liking the way, you know, I
look mature. Usually I have on a hoodie or whatever,
and I have a lot of suits and stuff that
just kind of go to waste because everybody dressed down.
I think I'm gonna go with the whole dress up approach.
(01:24):
But that's neither here nor there. I started my first business.
I didn't start the business. I was pulled into a
business when I was nineteen years old, construction business. And
if you've been the follower with us, you've heard me
say this on a number of occasions. And I was green.
(01:48):
I was fresh off the streets. So if you take
into account business that I did on the streets, I
grew up in a real rough neighborhood. So candy not
like candy, like real candy. I sold candy. That was
the first time that I ever had the entrepreneurial bug.
I don't eat a lot of candy. I never really did.
(02:10):
But I was a hustler, meaning like I didn't mind
getting up and going. We lived in a project tenement
where we had thirteen stories and a bunch of housing
projects around us. And I would go trick or treating,
but I would start in the day and I would
probably not end tonight. And I would come home with
(02:30):
bags and bags of candy. But I noticed, and this
is the first point in business, the need the kids
in my class I was in elementary school. They would
eat the candy, eat the candy, eat the can. Then
they start coming down, but they have no more candy
because they ran through their candy. So I would hold
my candy and we would have candy called down Ladors
(02:53):
now and Laters, but we called it down Lators. You know.
We condensed all the works together, and for one pack
of now and Leaders was fifty when I was coming up.
Some places sold it for a quarter because they had
four inn impact, some had six in the pack. Then
(03:14):
they had the big square tank, taffy ones and all
that other stuff. But I would take my packs apart
and sell one for five cents because they were they
were itching for it. Man, the candy rush was gone.
Nobody had candy. They used to sell pretzews and all
(03:34):
that other stuff in my uh elementary school, but nobody
had what I had. I had that stuff that they needed,
especially after after Halloween. And so from Halloween to so
my mother used to always asking where you get all
this money from this hour? But I would stash my money,
put it in the sod, stash my money away. I
(03:55):
sent my kids to private school, and they were both
in a private Catholic school here in Queens and I
got a phone call and my son is twenty one,
my daughter is eighteen, say three years apart, so you
(04:16):
can imagine. But they would go buy candy. They're standing
in front of the and they're like, now we got
we got we got better product. So that mentality I
kind of passed on, and I had to really tell
it all right, you can't stand right in front of
the people that you're going against and undercut them when
(04:39):
you know so you got to learn parameters. I said
all that to say, today's conversation is going to be
interesting because again I said, I started at nineteen. I
started selling candy when I was young. I was in
the streets, so we did stupid stuff throughout those j's
and I never discussed those things. I don't come on
here to this that's horror stories. I come up on
(05:02):
here to talk about walking victory. So you'll never hear
from the time I sold candy to the time I
saw the cabinet. That's not my conversation. My conversation is
how can you prepare our next generation to think about wealth,
generational wealth, business and entrepreneurial stuff. And I said this
(05:25):
on previous episode. Now I'm going to continue saying this.
We are in a window and it's probably about going
to be about a three to three and a half
your window where you can set position your family, position
yourself to create wealth like you've never imagined. It doesn't
(05:46):
matter if you're janitor, it doesn't matter if you are black,
it doesn't matter if you're white, because what's happening with
AI and everything that's going on. If you're position yourself
now and becoming an authority at the ground floor, and
I'm saying we're at the ground floor. You probably needed
(06:08):
to be in it like six months ago, maybe eight
to ten months ago, But it's still enough room that
you can influence your audience. And I'm going to keep
champion this course because there's some people out there that
can become wealthy and change your life by understanding what
(06:28):
I talk about, what other guests. But also as you
see this journey, Christian, how are.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You, I'm doing well? Really appreciate you having me on there.
Love that story. I did the same thing growing up
through school I would buy these candies from an Asian
market that nobody knew where these things came from. And
I was selling them for way more more than I
and you know, people are like, I can't find these anywhere,
and they couldn't read the bags either, so they couldn't
(06:55):
look it up or search it. And so I was
going and selling it for you know, five six times
that I was paying for it. And so love that story.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, so so all right. So it was something in
me that that drove me to say, Okay, I had
a free marketplace where I can get the goods. And
I went and I knocked down people doing this in
trick or treat trick or tree trick and Tree. You
you invested a little bit, but you you saw that
(07:24):
I can I can take this and I can mark
it up and there is a real sugar rush when
you're a monks your peers. I wasn't in the candy,
but they were. And we met a need if we
was to simplify business, isn't that just all that business is?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah? Absolutely. I That's something we talk about internally with
my team all of the time, is what need are
we meeting for somebody today? There's a lot of companies
out there that are trying to build four or five
years from now. Not to say that that's not a
great business model or something to work on, but if
you're trying to figure out how do you especially if
you're bootstrapped. My last company before this one, you know,
(08:10):
I had one hundred bucks and I put that entire
hundred bucks into that company I was. I had, you know,
a very smart person that I was working with at
the time, and we put in one hundred bucks and
scaled that very rapidly, raised venture capital, et cetera. But yeah,
if you're able to meet a need today, you really
don't need necessarily a ton of startup capital if there
(08:31):
truly is a need for what you're providing.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Let's go into your history you talk about bootstrapping meet
in needs. First of all, this year, I know, you
know people, I'll be fifty years old in September. How
old are you?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I am twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
When I was twenty eight, I think I just lost
everything I had when I was I was twenty out
of twenty seven. When I lost twenty four, it was
all those years messed together, so everything came crashing down.
I built, I had money. I would walk around with
(09:14):
all the money in my pocket and stuff like, but
I didn't understand systems, infrastructure, the things that we're talking
about right now. Where did you find from that you
going and buying that candy in China in the area
that nobody else understood me knocking on doors saying trick
(09:36):
or treat? Where did you find your infrastructure that you
can now lead a team and say, hey, we got
to meet the need. Got to meet the need. That's
the most important key element.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, I was very fortunate to grow up in a
household that was entrepreneurial. My father, you know, started his
own business, did not want to go to the corporate
route though he probably could have, and very early on,
which is you know why I loved you sharing about,
you know, kind of directing your kids on, you know,
really early on, hey how do you kind of make
(10:11):
it for yourself? Because it's so rewarding to be able
to do that right and work on something and grow something.
And so I did grow up with very early on,
when I had an idea, my father would ask me,
you know, he kind of encouraged me to have these
ideas and then would really ask questions, how is this
going to work? Is it meeting a need? Whose needs
going to meet it? Are there other people already meeting
(10:33):
those needs? And so asking really good questions about that,
which is something nowadays if you don't necessarily have that
mentor resource Number one, I always encourage looking for mentors.
Mentors have gotten me to where I am today. But
if you're not able to find that, asking chat ept,
I mean we do this for our new products, right
we say, you know, we just created a new form
(10:55):
to determine what products we want to build, and I,
you know, came up with some short kind of hey,
here are some of the things I think of? What
else am I missing? What should we know or be
thinking about before launching a new product? And chat ept
did ninety percent of the work, right Ye. If you
have an idea, I think going to these AI resources
that we have because it's trained on data from very
(11:18):
smart entrepreneurs, from very great sources, and you say, hey,
what questions should I be answering or should I know
the answer to before I start a business or before
I start this business? And it's going to give you
a lot of great direction.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
There's two things that I like about you already as
an interviewer. I don't think that you're pre because we
never met, we don't talk. But I like that you
sus think what it is that you want to respond to.
You're very clear, when did you realize that that was
(11:54):
a gift? Because it is a gift, is a gift
to be sustinct, because because if you're in negotiation, if
you're let if you allow your emotions to get involved,
you might say something like we want to pay you
the money anyway, right, But then like, but there's there's
a part of us that has to be reserved. Some
(12:14):
people might call it cold or callous, there's a part
that has to be still interactive. How did how do
you develop your personality being so successful at an early
age where you don't seem to come off out of touch.
(12:35):
We don't seem to come off cold to callous, but
you can still be interpersonal but give just enough to
make a person say, okay, he understands. Sure.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I think it's a muscle number one, and it's something
that you have to train. I mean, I think some
people are probably born or raised with that muscle a
little bit stronger than others. But myself, I've really had
to focus even on the way I communicate one of
the things that a lot of people do, and I
probably still not perfect with it, but I've gotten a
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ton better as I used to all the time in
between the things that I was saying, and that really
impacts how your message is received. You don't see him
as concise, you don't see him as clear. And I've
worked really hard on training that muscle and recognizing kind
of the more times you chat with people, the faster
that muscle becomes, and the stronger that muscle becomes. In
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terms of trying to talk to different people, my life
has been a little bit up and down. I mean,
I grow up, grew up in a pretty upper middle
class household, and then I made some choices going through
college and through high school that kind of estranged me
a little bit from my family, and so I wasn't
(13:54):
really in that at all, right, I mean, I was
not living an upper class lifestyle by any means. And
so I guess I've kind of been on both sides
of the fence there and learned a lot and yeah,
and interacted with all kinds of different people.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
And so how did you learn? You learned what you
learned from your childhood, but the juxtaposing positions being someone
who grew up in and can say hey, and you say, honestly,
I grew up in upper mint, the class you chose
to go down to whatever wherever it is that you did, right.
(14:35):
But do you think that there's a nice blend of
the two where you can understand a person that has
probably fell or lost and a person that already obtained
and gained And how do you blend that message for
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you and your company and your brand.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Sure, so we really focus on and I've surrounded myself
with a lot of really great people and that's something
that's super important in business as well as if I
don't personally have those experiences, then finding somebody who does
have those experiences that you can is super important. We've
(15:23):
got fifty five people that work work with us, and yeah,
some of the all of them have lived different lives
than I have, you know, and they've all lived different
lives from each other, right, And that's part of what
makes I think us so successful, is that diversity of
people that we have on our staff who have lived
different lifestyles and are able to communicate differently and also
(15:44):
look at things differently than I would through my experiences
or through anyone else on the team and their experiences.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
So people probably sitting there asking what the hell is Christian?
Do explain to us who on what your company is
and what are you improving the world now?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Sure, So I've always been very entrepreneurial, and I've always
really tried training that muscle. As I said, when I
was in school, I was selling candy. And then my
first I guess business was when I was nine and
I got a ten dollar loan from my father at
one percent interest, and I went and bought auto pops
and some ice stuck in a cooler and walked along
(16:27):
the beach selling auto pops, right, and did that for
an entire day. Didn't make a ton of money, but
made some money and learned learned it, I mean a
ton of invaluable experience just through that about you know,
taking this loan, paying back this loan. I mean, my
father wasn't trying to make any money off of that, right,
he was just trying to help me train that muscles
(16:48):
I brought it brought up earlier and from there, when
I was thirteen years old, I started my first business
with two employees. One was based in Brazil and one
was based in China.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Whoa and see as A as A as an interview er,
I can't just let you pass that by. You're thirteen
years old. You have now from nine years old to thirteen,
what was the business? We got to slow down here, sure,
China and Brazil, you got a workforce. Now what were
(17:21):
you doing? Just elaborate just a little bit and we're
going to fast forward. But I just need our audience
to hear.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah. So another thing is working in a space that
you understand or love. If you have any kind of
I call it, you know, people call it unfair advantage.
Right where you had this experience. My unfair advantage or
even just what I loved was a video game at
the time called RuneScape, essentially a game where you go
(17:50):
in and play multiplayer, you can interact with other people,
there's marketplaces, there's all of that, and then there's an
in game currency called gold. There were a lot of
people I was a thirteen year old with a lot
of time but not a lot of money, and there
were a lot of people who had a lot of money,
a job, but not a lot of time, who liked
playing this game. And so what I would do is
(18:11):
essentially I was a little bit techy at that point.
I spent a lot of my time on the computer
and found that there were these forums and websites where
people would essentially say, hey, look, I work a nine
to five, I don't have time to play this game,
which is a very grindy game. And what that means
is essentially you sit there for hours and hours mining
rocks to level up your account to be able to
(18:33):
mine better rocks. And so these people said, I don't
want to sit here in mining rocks all day, but
I do want to be able to, you know, collect
the best resources in the game. And so I said, hey,
I will go and I'll level up. I'll sit there
and mind those rocks for you in exchange for compensation,
and so they would pay me to do that. I
started getting enough people that wanted me to level up
(18:55):
their accounts that I then went and tried to find
other people who had time and didn't have a lot
of money, right, and so it started with me doing
all the work. Then it went to me having two people,
one in Brazil one in China who would do the work.
And it was my job all day to just find
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new people who wanted to get their accounts leveled up.
From there, I went and hired a developer to essentially
create a computer program that would then go and mind
the rocks for me.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
So, well, no, we kept the people because the things
were not perfect, right, And so now it wasn't just
their job to mind rocks on one account anymore. It
was to make sure that this computer program didn't stop breaking. Yeah,
didn't break, and so shifted their roles correct. Yeah, So
(19:53):
they essentially went from mining the rocks themselves to you know,
managing ten computer programs and making sure that they were
working in the whole time mining the rocks. I say
mining in the rocks. There was a lot of other
skills in the game, but just for simplicity's sake, mining
the rocks. And really learned a ton there. I mean,
I learned that how to talk to people, right. I
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learned that not everybody goes into business deals with good intentions, right,
So learning about when to take money up front, how
to split something so that it's fair between the buyer
and the seller, and just also learn the importance of reputation.
You're able to build up a positive Because these websites
(20:39):
had these things called vouches. Since it's online, you don't
really know who everybody is, don't know where they live.
They will where somebody can post and say, hey, I
vouch for this person, and so I collected it on
your profile. I collected a ton of vouches and really
realized at that point how important that reputation is, and
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that if you don't have a positive reputation, people are
going to go somewhere else, even if it's more expensive.
And so you can charge more for that positive reputation
and get a lot more business than somebody who otherwise
is trying to take super shortcuts.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So let me ask you something else. And I'm stuttering
because I got an eleven year old son too. I
have a twenty year twenty one year old, seventeen year
old she's in music, he's in music. But then have
an eleven year old I want to be in business, right?
(21:39):
How valuable? So this is a personal question for me.
How valuable or how much did you lean on to
your dad to help you as you develop this or
did you feel confident enough to say, I'm going to
develop this without him, just so I could show him
(22:02):
what I've done.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So I got kind of the nudge from my father
this entire time, I'm not sure. Granted, when I was thirteen,
that was that was a while ago. I remember he
was all that involved in what I was doing at
that point. I'm sure I asked him questions, but I
don't think I directly said, Hey, I'm playing a video
(22:26):
game all day.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, and I want to know about yeah, yeah, level,
yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I but my father made it very clear to me
that I can ask him these questions. And I used
to go on hikes with him as well, where I
would just I've always been very curious, and I think
that's something that has been an asset for me absolutely
kind of growing up throughout my whole life, as just
being curious. And so we would go on hikes and
I would ask him questions all the time about you know,
(22:56):
what do you think about this? And you would answer
the things he knew, and if he'd didn't know it,
he would say, let's look it up, let's try and
find it out.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yep, okay. And business, it's not really about the thing
that like you're in you was doing at that time
video games, So it's really not about the game. It's
how do we solve the problem exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And that problem was these people did not have time
to play this game the whole time, but they wanted
to be a high level in the game, right, And
so that was a problem, and I wasn't. I don't
think I had the wherewithal at thirteen to really realize, Okay,
this is the problem I'm solving versus you know, and
how what is my competitive edge or competitive advantage over
the other people trying to solve the problem. But I
(23:40):
did recognize where I was in terms of I'm willing
to do this and the money that these people are
paying me is more valuable than the time I'm putting
into me. Right.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
When did you begin to understand You're thirteen, you had
this idea. You went from candy, you went to video games,
something that you love, both things that all kids love.
When did you start to understand and they start to
click competitive advantage, meeting the need all of these pillars
(24:17):
of successful business to where you build a million dollar
business at an age that most people would they beg
to build in a lifetime. When did you start to
really say, Okay, this is what my dad was saying,
or if you have other coaches, this is what the
(24:38):
coaches are saying, this is what I've been trained to see.
When did that happen?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I think kind of when I was nineteen and I
started my last company, Chatterplant, was where I really started
understanding that because my video game business wasn't super social,
I wasn't leaning on a ton of different people. More
in terms of I wasn't interacting with other entrepreneurs, which
is super helpful to learn from and understand it and
(25:09):
grow once you start interacting with other people who have
been through it. And that's the beautiful thing about the
entrepreneurial community is so many people are willing to help.
They realize how tough it is. It is being an
entrepreneur is not easy. It takes. It depends on what
you're doing and what you're trying to build, but either way,
(25:30):
it's something that not a lot of people understand the
problems and the stresses and the issues that you go
through as an entrepreneur, and a lot of other entrepreneurs
have a lot of sympathy for that. And in general,
I would say the community is very willing to help
other people because they realize how difficult it is. It's
not something I mean, Elon Musk talked about one of
(25:53):
his you know, founder friends who had done very well,
built a company, sold it for sixty million, and elon
and asked him, Hey, you know, why don't you start
another one? And he says, because I truly believe starting
a company is like chewing on glass and staring into
the abyss. I mean, it is very difficult. There is
so much stress, and you really have to want to
(26:14):
do it. And if you want to do it, and
other people in the entrepreneurial community see that, they're often
willing to help.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah. I never heard that quote before, but that is
what it's. Starting a new project is, like I have.
I have several projects that's going on, and I've been
an entrepreneur all my life. So I get excited if
you take on investors, if you're listening, I get excited
(26:46):
when I build a project and it can pay for
itself within a year and a half, like, oh, oh,
we are onto something, because if we could pay for itself,
then I can scale it up. I've learned. If I
build a project and it can't pay for yourself within
a year a year and a half, it might not
(27:08):
be a good project. It may be good, but I
might need to refine it, or I may need to
scrap it. If you ask for people to invest. If
he asks a novice that's not entrepreneurial to invest, they're
looking for two weeks. Hey man, how hey Christian? How's
(27:31):
everything going? Hey hey Christian? You know he said you're
doing that thing like how we looking? And if you
explain it to him, they don't really understand. Talk to
me about when at nineteen now you're starting to scale up.
You've amassed a certain amount of credibility, a certain amount
(27:54):
of success. Were you still in college? I was, yes,
did you graduate? I did my reluctantly and found were
so reluctant.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
No, I I guess my college journey was eight years long.
Most people's is four. I kept dropping because I got
excited about a business that I was running where I
needed more time and ended up graduating because I was close, right,
I there was, and I'm so glad that I did.
I think it was. You know, it makes me feel
(28:30):
a lot better having done.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
So let's talk about that though, seriously, in your entrepreneur
your journey, because I just had to have this conversation
with myself completing something like even if you once you
get to the point where he's like, I don't really
(28:54):
don't need this, but just having that satisfaction that comes
to doublemin In fact, I teach mindfulness and yoga and
all that stuff too. So the impact that it has
on your mind when you finished, When you start something
and you complete it, how did that feel for you?
Even though you had to do an eight year journey.
You probably is making more money than everybody. You probably
(29:14):
is making more money than your professors. Oh, but it
still makes you feel what.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I think it goes back to it. It's a muscle
as well. Getting things done and following things kind of
through to the end is super important, and especially as entrepreneurs,
because entrepreneurs it's a hard journey. That might sound like
a theme throughout my conversation here, but it really is
a difficult journey, and there's going to be incredibly high
(29:44):
highs and incredibly low lows. Right when you brought up
you had some you know, one of your businesses blow up.
I mean that is a low low. And if you're
working a nine to five, you're not going to experience
just that. And the stakes can be a lot higher
if you're running business, especially if you've taken loans or
you have investors or you know credit, right, I mean,
(30:05):
the business blows up and you still if you did
it like a small business loan, you still own oh
that loan, right, that doesn't go away. And so I've
I grit is super important. And I would say that
I've really worked on training that muscle to be resilient
and finish things. And you get the dopamine hit. And
(30:28):
as I said, when I say muscle, you're training your
brain about the importance of finishing things and getting through things,
and that impacts other areas of your life for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Some would probably say, all right, Christian, you know, I
know your dad was super supportive. He was an entrepreneur,
and I know your background. Like if one of your
friends is listening to this, and if ever you would
have follow on your face, shit, dad would have just
came and lifted you up. What would you say to that?
How much did you not want to? Because I know
(31:01):
the entrepreneur or your muscle, you would. I would, and
I have. I was living homeless. I didn't want nobody
to know. I thought when I came around, I came
around like I was the last time they saw me.
But that wasn't who I was. How how is that
(31:22):
for that progress for you? Because every entrepreneur has to
go through highs and have to go through low, really
low lows. What was the resiliency inside of you, young man,
to say, I'm not gonna ask, I'm not gonna lean
on nobody else, I'm gonna pull myself out.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, great question. I absolutely have an unfair advantage over
some people having had my not everybody has their parents,
you know, as supportive as mine, where I can't say
for undetectable my current venture I have not. I didn't
get any investment from my parents. I did not raise
a single dollar from any family members and kind of
(32:07):
did all of that. But at the end of the day,
I did have a base that some other people did
not have. That does not mean that other people can't
train those muscles. They just have to, I guess, be
a little bit more deliberate about it on their end.
And that's where these resources and I bring up those
resources like chat GPT's super helpful for people I've again,
(32:34):
I had that advantage with my father believing in me
and saying, you know, you should try it. He would
help me ask those questions that I brought up. But
at the end of the day, it was me deciding
that this is the journey that I wanted to go down.
And it wasn't always great. I mean towards the beginning,
I had my last company acquired, but it was not
(32:56):
what most people would consider a successful exp right, we
raised a ton of mine and you know we're bought,
but not for you know, a massive it's called multiple.
So it wasn't for anything like way more than the investors.
And so what a venture capital or investors looking for is, hey,
I'm investing my money in a risky spot, which just
(33:16):
about any startup is a risky spot. And they didn't
get their one hundred x return, which is what most
venture capitalists are looking for. They're saying, hey, you know,
if I wanted just a few percent a year, I
would invest in the stock market. That's not what they
are looking to do. I'm sorry, I feel like I
haven't quite answered your question.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
No, you have, you have, because what you did right there,
you was like showing somebody one with venture capitalists are
looking for to your vulnerability. Yeah, and you admitting, all right,
may I have had some advantages, but that doesn't that
doesn't exempt you from the grind, right, right, just because
(34:03):
Dann Marinos my dad don't mean that I can play
football and and and what happens is I don't know
what your dad was into, your mom, like, what your
family was into. When you walk in the room, they're like, oh,
that's such and such. So you might be able to
get a meeting, but if your product is crap, what
(34:24):
they're going to tell you at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Even even more than that, I'm in a completely separate
space and my right and and even with some of
that I've had, Yeah, I've been fortunate that I can
run things by my father. But with my first company,
I was I was really focusing on how do I
grow social media following? And you know that's not my
(34:48):
father's area of expertise either, And he's going, why would
you why? Why does that matter how many followers you have?
How is that helpful? Right? And it's my response or
thought was, Hey, I can grow this and use that
as a base to distribute my product or my service
to people. And so, yeah, it has not been directly
(35:09):
introductions or one you know, one on one that's gotten
me where I am.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
And you know, for because someone would say, not me,
someone from the outside would say, or you're a young
man and you're successful, so they would actually look for
the root of your success. And what I want to
get across to our audience is that the root of
your success is you.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I would agree with that. Yeah, and it's I've heard
the kind of allegory. I guess you would call it
of a ladder.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Some people start higher up on the ladder than other
people do in terms of, you know, having more resources
to start with. But I mean there are plenty of
people with millions of dollars who blow it off, right,
just because they had that advantage, fall off the ladder.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
We're not a president, not this not this president. But
we had a president George W. Bush. He was He
had the Texas Rangers bankrupt them. He he bankrupt like
five companies. And I'm not talking against the president, and
I love our presidents, but this is a fact and
you can go look it up. So just because somebody
gives you or you have anything, doesn't mean that you're
(36:24):
going to be successful. And I'm sorry to cross cut you,
but go ahead and finish that thought. I just wanted
to give our audience that.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
You're absolutely right. And I think if you look at
it as oh, I don't have what that person had
and so I'm not going to be successful, then you're
not going to climb up the ladder.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
What are we doing now, it's twenty twenty five, we
have the the we're in the APEX because I don't
think we've reached the peak of AI. We're in the
climb the ascent APEX means, but the ascent because I'll
probably use apex wrow. We're in acent of AI where
(37:05):
there's a lot of people that can change their lives
if they just took the time to do that. What
is your message? What would be your message to entrepreneurs
who may be struggling a little bit in the online market,
you kind of understand it, explaining them what it is
that you do and explaining them the opportunity that can
(37:26):
come with I believe within the next three to three
and a half to four years there's a tight window.
But if they do ABC and D, you got the floor.
I'm done.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah. If you look at these new technologies and really
try to stay up to date with them, like make
it a second full time job or even part time job.
Anything you're able to do to stay up to date
with all the new technologies that are coming out and
all of the new I mean, there is so much
being disrupted if you keep your eyes open and think
(38:02):
about is there a need here that I can help,
Even if you're not building software, if you're not the
one building an AI company things like that, but you
understand that AI technology and how it works. There's all
these AI sales development representatives, which means like salespeople that
are being built and released right now. Most companies don't
(38:26):
know what to do with that. Most small businesses have
no idea, don't stay up to date on what's late.
And so if you're able to understand these technologies, you
can even do something like as a create a service
where you're going and helping connect small businesses with these
new technologies to give them them an advantage. That's something
that all businesses are looking for is how do I
(38:48):
find an advantage or how do I reduce costs or
how do I increase my ability to reach out to people?
That was I guess one of the things I've forgotten
my journey was one of my businesses is at That
was the one that nineteen was this one, the chatter kwant.
My last company was at twenty one when I was nineteen.
It was reaching out to small businesses who didn't have
(39:09):
a presence on Google. I didn't work for Google. I
didn't do anything like that, but I just said, hey,
you know, you're able to go and put a square
a box on the internet. So when someone looks you up,
it'll show your phone number, it, I'll show your website,
it'll show pictures, and you know, we see it all
the time if you look up a restaurant says call
(39:30):
reserve book, things like that. A lot of the businesses
in the area I was living didn't have that. So
I just called and said, hey, I'm going to connect
you to technology. And that was hugely valuable to them,
and I charged that service. Right, So if you're able
to do something there and you really understand what's going
on in AI, you have a huge leg up. And
people are very willing to pay for that and pay
(39:52):
a lot of money for that because it's so new
and you are starting. I kind of, as you said,
six months ago to twelve months ago really was the
ground floor. But we're still at the very beginning, and
so there's nobody with twenty years of experience, and I
don't want to say nobody.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
But.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Very very very few people with twenty years of experience
in AI right especially compared to the demand for AI.
And so if you're able to tap into that and
really try and understand how it works, understand how to
build a prompt on chat GBT, you've created a lot
of value that you can then add whether you want
to stay working for a company or go and start
your own business. There was so much opportunity there, and
(40:33):
with all of these new AI agents. For instance, if
you understand how to use an AI agent, you'll have
ten people who want to come and hire you or
purchase purchase from you. And so there's just so much
new technology. If you understand that technology, you're going to
be valuable within the workforce or whilst building a company.
(40:56):
And so that would probably be the biggest advice I'd
have is just stay up to date, try to learn
and stay curious about these new technologies, because if you
understand them, most people will not, and you're going to
be very valuable, whether it's through building a business or
through just a nine to five.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I'm building the AI. A few AI agents now and
when I when I took on the task, I was like,
because I didn't know about APIs, I didn't know about
all the back end stuff that I'm like, it seems so.
So I've started with courses. I was taking some courses
(41:38):
and then as you're taken courses, for me, like my
mind starts to work quick. I'm like, okay, so I
liking stuff to this, like oh this is like this,
this is like that. Then the best thing that I've done,
(41:59):
and I want you to close. We're going to close
on this was understanding prompt engineering before you try to
stick your toe into any of this stuff. How you
prompt how you talk to the devices. One of the
(42:20):
things that I learned about prompt engineering, and I thought
it was that it was cute and clever and funny.
But it's also the way that a guy would pick
up a girl. Right. You give good compliments, Oh, you're
so helpful. It makes the engineer that the thing that
you're talking to give you a little bit more by
(42:41):
being kind, by being gracious, by having gratitude when you
look at where people are struggling at For me being
fifty year old and not being able to understand this
new model.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
What would you say, I mean, I would say it's
looking into courses. Just like you said, nine point five
out of ten people aren't going to do it, and
so if you're willing to do it, you're going to
have a leg up. I guess I have said that
a lot, but really trying to find your unfair advantage
(43:19):
and if you don't have one, do how do you get?
How do you go and find it? And your time
and effort is enough to get there. If you're willing
to put in the time and effort and other people aren't,
then that's that's how you can create or hone that
unfair advantage. In terms of prompt engineering, the thing I
always think about is that don't give it extra information
(43:44):
that it doesn't need, but make sure to give it
everything that it does need. If you go, if you
go and say it's a thirty degree day outside, I
really want to do this, but please write me a
poem about this, it's to get confused by that additional
it's a thirty degree day outside, And so giving as
(44:05):
much information as succinctly as you can to chat GPT
or any of these ais, recognizing that you're not they're
trying to build it so you can chat with it
as every day as possible. But you will be a
lot more effective by trying to think, what is something
that it needs to know or would be helpful for
it to know? And how do I not include anything
(44:26):
that's not helpful for it?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Oh my god, I'm glad that you said that, because
I was going when I was twenty two years old
and I just got kicked out of college for the
second time, and I was going through but I wanted
to write, and I developed the muscle for writing. But
all of these books and I started to read about words, syntax,
(44:50):
context and all these things and breaking down words, etymologies
and YadA, YadA, YadA, because I talked a lot, but
I sometimes you just don't know what you're saying. But
once I learned, ain't writing one of the things that
I can't remember what books, words work and talk about
cut the fact that you don't need that's prompt engineering.
(45:14):
It doesn't matter that it's thirty degrees out today. Take
that up. People don't really realize how to communicate effectively
in person, So it's going to be ten times more
difficult in marketing, ten times more difficult in AI ten
(45:40):
times more difficult in finding your customer. When you are
able to streamline your message and really really get down
to the grassroots of what it is that I'm selling,
what it is that I want to communicate, then you'll
be better. I usually ask people for the last question
(46:03):
what books have impacted them, But because I'm so impressed
with you in your resume, this is where I want
to ask you, and We're going to archive this. If
I have this conversation with you ten years from now,
you're thirty something years old, I'll be almost sixty, and
we sit down again, what would have have happened between
(46:28):
now and then? Oh?
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Man, I that question scares me a little bit. I
don't want to assume anything. And that's again part of
I think what's going to hopefully keep my business and
myself successful is recognizing that there's always going to be
somebody else that's trying to, you know, take the spot
(46:54):
you're in or take market share from you. And so
I guess what I'm hoping is that I maintain my drive,
I maintain my willingness to work with people, to connect
with people, to treat people well, especially the people you
know on my side, and that I will continue to grind.
(47:18):
That's what I hope has happened in ten years, because
any of the other stuff I want is not going
to happen if I don't do those things.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
And now you have it, everybody. I told you, we
see you at the feet of the masters, as you
heard me and Christian went deep into AI, into business,
into mindset development, and I know that you got key takeaways.
We don't actually for cash apps, we don't actually for venmos.
I'm not begging for donations. But what I do beg for,
(47:51):
please hit like, please subscribe, so that we can get
these conversations out to the world. I don't want to
have this conversation like a tree falling down in the
middle of the wilderness, nobody hear it. I want to
have these conversations where they resonate with people and then
we can help impact other people lives. And because of you,
we've been able to do that. So let's keep it
(48:12):
moving forward. If this is your first time listening, if
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Then go to our website Walking Victory dot me and
(48:33):
you can leave it there enjoy the rest of your day.
Don't walk making excuses, don't walk holding your head down.
Don't walk feeling guilty because you may have a little
bit of a leg up than somebody else. No, go down,
help somebody come back up with you and bring them
where you are. Set your business so that you can
(48:54):
be an intricate part of financial growth for somebody else.
And Christian has a last ay.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yeah, if I guess I just wanted to throw out
there along with what you were saying there, if anybody
is looking to start a new business or wants to
talk something through, I'm I'm happy to keep my door open.
I'd love to keep my door open. Reach out to
me on LinkedIn, Christian Perry or email me see Perry
at undetectable dot ai, so c P E R R
(49:23):
y at undetectable dot ai. And I'm happy to chat
with anybody who's looking to become an entrepreneur or just
trying to figure things out.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
And that's what we say. All of Christian's information is
in the description under his name with this company is
going to be a line. That line means to click
and go to him and get that cloudy call. If
you have a young I really want to say this
before before I go. If you have a young man
a young woman, don't discourage them from business. Linked them
(49:57):
with with somebody if they if they have the entrepreneurs
sp or you may not have ever started a business,
but that doesn't mean that they can't do it. You
just don't know how to direct them to do it,
or maybe your voice is mute to them, but they
can still join this victory walk together. We can walk
in victory and enjoy the rest of your day. Peace,
(50:23):
good afternoon, good day, good evening. I don't know what
timmy listening and or were you listening from It's your Boy.
You're host and Laran tell me and you are with
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