February 25, 2025 • 39 mins
Unlock your potential for success by understanding your personality type. Join host NaRon Tillman on Walk in Victory for a fascinating conversation with Eric, an expert in personality typing and self-discovery. Eric shares his inspiring journey from growing up in a low-income community to becoming a successful entrepreneur and thought leader. This episode delves into how understanding personality types can transform lives and boost success in various areas, including leadership, business, and personal development. Discover Eric's unique personality typing methodology, which uses animal "packs" to categorize different types and provides insights into communication and relationships.
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- How understanding personality types can unlock potential and drive success.
- Insights into Eric's unique personality typing methodology using animal "packs."
- The impact of different personality types on communication and relationships.
- Practical applications of personality typing for personal and professional growth.
- The importance of self-discovery and understanding your strengths and weaknesses.
- 00:00 Introduction and Host Welcome
- 00:13 Purpose of the Podcast
- 00:39 Norman's Personal Journey (Consider changing to NaRon's Personal Journey)
- 02:39 Importance of Discernment
- 04:05 Guest Introduction and Discussion
- 04:59 Personality Typing Methodology
- 05:59 Entrepreneurial Insights and Personal Stories
- 12:26 Personality Packs and Traits
- 14:53 Romantic Relationships and Personality Types
- 20:35 Coaching and Personal Development
- 29:33 Book Writing and Future Projects
- 36:26 Closing Remarks and Call to Action
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Everyone has their own path to success, and everyone has
their own path to happiness. And I think understanding that
helps people like get along better understand their own path
a little better in terms of not falling off of that.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good do it, afternoon, A good day, good evening.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I don't know what time you're.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Listening or were you listening from Shaboy your host and
La and Tillman and you are wit me for another
episode of Walk in Victory speaking of victory walk.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
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You may not want to evolve, then tune into another
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Speaker 3 (00:42):
There.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Morning, good day, good afternoon. I don't know what time
you're listening and all were you listening from Boys and
Tilly and you are with me for another episode of
Walk in Victory speaking of victory walks. If you're going
to be a thought leader entrepreneur just in the leadership
world and position rather than owning your job, you know,
(01:03):
my my my targeted audience for people who will have
similar stories to mine that may be going through business
and me glowing up in a low income humanity during
the well on drug area, and you know, making my
finding my way through life out of that, navigating through
(01:26):
whatever systems it was in front of me and realizing
that I'm truly an entrepreneur and that's the route for me.
That may not be the route for everyone. Some people
route may be in another fortunate leadership. Well, you don't
(01:48):
want to roller dice and leave how you're going to
make your income based on your work or your creativity
or your knowledge. You want someone to give you a
check in exchange for your prom So you know, if
I'm playing with that, you know, as long as you
got the position, you can get in there drolls and
(02:09):
get all that other stuff with that mentrality and yes
to do it, nobody's frowning on it. So you listen
at these this show too. You can actually improve your
status in your company and help your you're both get
better vacations and more houses and stuff. You know, as
he gives you maybe a little slightly bigger check. Orthy
(02:32):
we're not show mystic, So that is you know, for
for thought leaders and stuff. But one of the things
that you have to have that's key and We've never
talked about this on none of our three hundred and
forty hold on three hundred and forty I want to
get a good sorry number three hundred and forty two
(02:54):
produced episodes of Walking. Victory is discernment. Discernment being able
to read people, being able to read a crowd. If
you're a public speaker, well, i've watched lead public speakers.
We call it die on the volnty right. They're giving
(03:15):
air presentation and they're not reading the room, or they're
so stuck on their manuscripts that they're not engaged in
the room, or that's so stuck on their manuscripts that
whatever they wrote, so the moment is not connecting and
they don't know how to go onto something that connects.
(03:38):
So that comes with discernment that comes from reading people,
come from reading the room. As contractor of my first business,
you had to read the persons, which was difficult for
me because I can from to a place where I
was charging by the square foot to a place where
I had to pivot and begin charging cording to situations.
(04:01):
So in order to charge the cord in the situations,
I had to be shure, to have some sense of discernment.
So today we're going to talk to our guests and
you know, retransform you. So I within by sitting and
having deep conversations with some of the masters in their field. Eric,
I'll are you.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
How's it go ahead, I'm doing great.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Thank you for so much, folks.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I love that lead up about talking about what makes
someone successful, right, and everyone has their own idea success
just because as you know, like that's my specialty is
trying to get people to connect with who they really
are and what they really want and go from there,
right as opposed to like wanting the things that other
people tell you should want.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
So how do you do that? How do you understand?
How do you help a person to find a roadmap
to see what it is that they really really want,
just opposed to what the blueprint is. You know, looks
a lot of times people have a blueprint. Well you
do this and you do that. Even as coaches, they
(05:06):
try to get you on the same kind as as
opposed to getting you on your original pair.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You know, it's basically so I've developed a personality typing methodology,
and you know, I published a book recently or had
a book published recently. This year called the power of personality,
and it basically teaches people how to understand not only
the people around them, but probably more not probably definitely
most importantly themselves.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Right, Like, you got to know what your.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Core values are, and then also the core values of
the people around you, specifically your parents or the people
who are telling you what you should be doing, because
those might be different than yours. So I think it's
super helpful to find out what every person's personality type is,
because from there then you can start to say, oh, okay,
so that's why they're telling you to do this. It
might not necessarily be right for me, it doesn't necessarily
(05:57):
mean it's not right for them. Right, everyone has their
own path to success, and everyone has their own path
to happiness, and I think understanding that helps people like
get along better understand their own path a little better
in terms of not falling off of it.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It's funny that you would say that, because one of
the methods that I personally used early on, if I
have big dilemmas and problems, I had some similar to
like a rich step or there, although neither of them
was rich, butess the mentality it was two different. One
was an entrepreneurial who who taught me how to think business,
(06:36):
paperwork and all of the things that I've learned from him.
And my dad, who was a worker, you know, just
have a job and work for the city, get you know.
He had that kind of mentality. So when I would
run into business problems, I would really call my dad
(06:58):
so that I can discern how to go. Now we'll
call my dad dot work because he would always come
up with a solution from a work to the men.
And then I was like, all right, so I'm going
to do like total because as an entreprene that's an entrepreneur,
(07:23):
we we don't solve problems for we bring solutions. We're
not solving problems. And it's two different things. Bringing a
solution and solving a problem. Right, if you solving problems,
you're going to get get paid a little bit. Oh wow,
he solved this problem. You may have said, oh, that
(07:45):
that light bulb is out, that's why the lights are
not working. So oh, you solved that problem. But they
there may have been a give you per meaning a
solution to the problem that sometimes you don't really look to.
When you talk about how one derived to their personality,
(08:06):
how did you get to the place where you are
and have the authority as a thought leader to really
really help others in a way that you do.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You know, I always say the stories when I was
young and then like adolescence right and never wanted adolessents
is trying to figure out themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I started realizing that some of the values that I
had were different than the students around me. You know,
like a lot of them were really focused on getting
the good grades, going to good college, that path, right,
that very like worker mentality. And I'm not saying that's bad,
that's actually like maybe what I've found is about half
the populations like that, and that's a good thing because
we wouldn't have society, we wouldn't have strong, stable civilizations,
(08:49):
and we didn't have that.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I was not like that.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I was a terrible student, and so I was trying
to figure out what was worse was I deep inside
I didn't really want to be a good student. So
I was like, wait, would I want this because everyone
else seems to want.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
This a right, Like, shouldn't I want to work hard?
You know?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And I'm not saying I didn't work hard, but I
wanted I was very specific in what I wanted to
work hard in where some people are more like, no,
I'm my duty is to like go do the things
that I don't want to do, and I was like,
I want to do the things that I don't want
to do. So it started an early age where I
started reading a lot about personality types and different philosophies,
like I went as far back as like Plato, and
(09:28):
you start to realize, oh, like, there's it's been going
on for a long long time. And I guess in
terms of authority, who I really started learning was I
started my own education company, so I owned that for
about a decade. We probably serviced about a thousand students
a year, So if you combined that with a number
of parents that we had, we were probably encountering maybe
(09:49):
like twenty thousand kids, you know, in total right, and
met a lot of people to be And so I
would use my personality typing method that methodology that I
developed to help my tutors understand their students better and
understand their students and their students' parents and then the
relationship between the two. And I think as you start
to see like, yeah, once again, a thousand students a year,
(10:11):
you start to see patterns of behavior, and that's when
I really really started developing the ability to like read
people better and also develop a personality typing methodology from that.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It's funny that she would say that she was a
bad student, but then you become like an educator. What
was before we look at the entrepreneurial side? What have
you a bad student? Or the Trickie Carter teaching method
(10:44):
method methodology didn't sit well with you, Like if they
could have taught you how to build a business, how
to do something that she was really interested in, as
opposed to saying, hey, this was difficult curriculums. I think,
do you think that you would have been better student
or what was your discovery? Ovio burials, evolution?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
You know, I think I don't want to blame I mean, yes,
my favorite quote from James Baldwin is that I'm pair
of raising. The more one becomes educated, the more one
more start to question the system they were educated in,
which I love that quote, and I think I had
a little bit of that. But I do think like
the system of education how it does work for a
(11:29):
select amount of people. I just have a personality type
like a lot of people where it's not necessarily in
the majority, right, Like I do remember an assignment that
I had for a class that I loved, and it
was to start your own business. So we had fake money,
of course, monopoly money, and everyone's starting their business. And
I remember because it showed me the difference in personalities,
right people, someone started a bakery and they big cookies
(11:49):
and they brought it and it makes you everyone feel
really good. And some people started like a car to
business where they would make cards and we'd all have
our little storefronts.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
My business was a casino because I was like, oh, well,
I'm going to do the thing that I think is
going to make a lot money, because I think that's
the one thing that everyone has to do. But it
didn't feel good for a lot of people, right, because
there's this like shady side to you know, casino, or
at least it sounds like shady or seedy or whatever.
And I remember how to jump through a lot of
hoops to get there, and I just remember that as like,
(12:19):
I really love that assignment. But you can see the
differences in personalities based on the position that people took
within our fake civilization. Right, Some people went into government.
You know, and I think that's a good indicator of
the way.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
That people will go towards success.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And once again, it's not always about making money. It's
about what makes you happy and discovering that.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Right, what are some of the key personality traits that
you found in your assessment.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
So I'd say I would split people about to four packs,
and I call them four personality packs because I use
when it comes I use animal types to figure out
someone's personality. Right, So as you say one's a fox,
people know what kind of have the feeling of what
that person acts like. They're probably really good in business,
they're great and failed, maybe a little shamlessly sneaky, you know,
I think we know what a fought that acts like.
(13:11):
So I split people up into four major packs, and
within those four packs are four animals. So that makes
of course sixteen in total. And I'd find that in
the major pack, which is the one that makes up
about fifty percent of the population, they seek safety and security.
So we can divide those paths by what people seek
the most. Yeah, that is their number one thing, safety security.
(13:33):
When you think about like the things that we learn
growing up, like, oh, what you should do is be
a good student, so then you can go to college
or whatever and then get a good job and then
raise them, get married, then raise a family, buy a house.
All the things that make us feel safe and secure,
those come from those values come from that particular pack.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
And because there's so many of.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Them, they kind of permeate throughout society, which is great,
but sometimes that's not great. For let's say what I
call so I call that pack, Sar, I'm getting kind
of wonky here, but I call that pack the gatherer pack.
Then there's the hunter pack. So the hunter pack makes
up about a third of the population. And like say
they go hunting. They are hustlers, and I mean them
the best possible way. You know, I think they have
(14:16):
no problem jumping into situations that they've never done before.
They find it exciting because their major motivation and desire
is excitement. And you can see a kind of conflict
between a group that values safety and security over here
and one that seeks new things and excitement over here.
That is a conflict, right, And I think that's kind
(14:36):
of that ecotomy we often see. Like when you think
of Burt and Ernie, you know that you thinks the
odd couple where someone's really structured and organized and the
other person's kind of like spontaneous and more fun like that,
and that is about eighty five percent of the population.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
So and so when you have well, I don't know
if you went this star, but usually hunters and gatherers
a good balance on one another.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
No, and yes, yes, that's actually the number one couple.
Mary Tupple is a hunter and a gather And it's
kind of funny give the words hunter gatherers, but yeah,
it's just like I have an uncle and aunt who
are like that. I've met a lot of people like that,
and it's always the hunter's job. By my uncle's hunter,
it's their job to make sure that the kids are
(15:24):
having fun and everyone's like light hearted, and then it's
the gatherer's job to make sure there's toilet paper in
the house.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Right Like that's you know.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I know, it's it's such a it's not exciting and
it's not glamorous, but I don't think gatherers would have
it underway.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Sometimes they want to.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Be like James Bond, Like I'm really like James Bond.
Right now, you just bought a motorcycle at forty to
seem like you're James Bond.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
But come on, that's okay. It's okay to be like
Satan and secure. You know you. I always say you've
won the Golden ticket.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, because you kind of do need stability, and even
if you are in like a hunker or a gatherer,
you still need to know that at the end of
the day, after I'm doing all this thing, sacans worth
when I go home. Because it's funny. I was I
(16:11):
was reading a book about laws, and it started to
talk about the laws of attraction, and I mean, we
talked about the law the law of polarization, and it
says the same line polarization to opposite as the spectrum.
So the same line of love is a line of hate.
And then they kind of connected to each other. But
(16:35):
then it's kind of great because we start talking about
mother's love, boyfriend, girlfriend love. I like your person, but
I'm not in love with them. I love them, but
I don't I'm not in love with them, you know.
And all of those things are and between the line
between love and hate, but when you really look at it,
they're all interconnected together. But he also talked about opposites
(16:58):
and not really attracted because the similarities of a hunter
and a gatherer who comes together, so as you sit
down with them, you would realize that there's more similarities
than there are opposites, because our minds are not driven
to really go with someone that we don't have. Oh
(17:19):
see some kind of similarity or solves there.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, you know, like I had mentioned, there are four
personality packs.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's funny enough that I mentioned the hunters and gatherers
first because they make of about eighty to eighty five
percent of the population.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
But they do have.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Something in common, and that's the thing that draws them
to each other, and it's that they both speak concretely,
so they view the way they view the world is
like acts like action, right, Like they are visceral people,
like whether your hunter gatherer, you view the world through
what you see and you get your information from your senses.
(17:54):
And I think that's so the way that they communicate
is very concrete, and that's what draws them to each other.
And then the opposit our things are like, oh this
is kind of cool, like I can speak to this person,
they understand me. But the way the way we go
about the world is different, and that is also attractive right,
And not to say that other types can't pair up
with each other.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I will say this, if you get two hunters together,
they will burn hot and bath, you know, like they will.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
They have a lot of energy there and there's a
lot of fun because they both want to have fun.
And ideally hopefully that works out, but oftentimes it can
burn out really quick. Like when you think of like
in Hollywood or celebrities. Oftentimes celebrities, especially in entertainment, are hunters.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
That's just a hunter job. You know.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
It's very like free flowing and performance based, right, And
so you get these performers that hook up with each
other because they're fun and exciting, and then their relationship
ends in you know, six months, right, where gatherers are
much more steady. And I guess in the flip side,
you get two gathers together and they might not be
great for each other, but since they're gatherers and they're
like safety and security, and let's say they have kids,
(18:56):
they might be in the relationship forever, which is not
good because a miserable with each other, right, But because
they're so like you know, ingrained and keeping things tight.
So I mean there are bad things that go with
different parents, and there are great things. And I always
just say tell people, like when they're talking about that
kind of thing, like in terms of what personality type
matches up romantically well with another one, I always say,
(19:17):
you just have to know that there's going to be conflict.
There's always going to be conflict based on your personality,
and you just got to be okay with the source
of that conflict because you're not. You can't try to
change your partner. That's not a good thing.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
How did you When did you know that this was you?
This was your call? And then this is the thing
that you bring to the world. And from our conversation
and we're going to get on the last two personality types,
we'll get out again today and through our conversation, you're
very acknowledgeable. Go with me back on the parents. When
you started to discover that this is the thing that
(19:50):
you was going to present.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, it probably was, Well, I didn't know for sure,
and my personality type is one that never knows for sure.
I don't even know for sure now, you know, But
I would probably say, like when I first started, was
definitely my own personal path or trying to find myself
and starting to realize, like my personality type is our
desire or our thing that we go for is self knowledge,
(20:18):
right to learn about ourselves.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
And you know, everyone a lot of people say that,
but not really right. People don't.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
People say, oh, I want to learn about myself and're like, no,
not really. You want to have fun, like as long
as it's fun, you want to learn about yourself, but
like to really go deep and like start to question
your values and stuff is not necessarily fun for everyone,
but it is something that is true for a certain
amount of people.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
And that was me.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
And as I went on that path, I started realizing, oh, like,
the terrible thing is that you're always questioning yourself and
wondering if you're doing the right thing, like for you.
The nice thing is I was always conscious of people
around me, and I was always pretty good at like diplomacy,
like skills with persuasion, helping people grow and even I
started at an early age, you know, I was a
(21:01):
boy scout as part of a boy Scout troupe, and
I eventually started volunteering when I became an adult as
an assistant Scout master, and we had a troup of
maybe sixty or seventy kids, So that was kind of
cool where I could work and design leadership, a leadership
structure and start using the personality types to figure out, Okay,
who's should be in charge of these people and like
see how personality types bounce off of each other. I
(21:23):
also was a basketball coach, so I saw that quite
a bit as well, in terms of the type of
players you want in certain situations and how you have
to I want say deal, but work with kids or
people differently when you're coaching, right, not every Like some
people you can yell out and get really hard on
and scold them and they'll respond to that. Others need
(21:43):
the soft touch. And I think so basically through the
course of.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
My young life, I just.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Just fell into things where I was helping people and
coaching people and directing people. And then then then that's
why I started realizing, Oh, this is something that I'm
good at and I probably should start a business based
on it.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Let me ask you a question. I'm not trying to
be funny. I'm a nick fan. How impactful was Jeremy
Lynn on the fact that you got into basketball basketball coaching?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
You know The funny thing is I'm well, I'm older,
so I was. I mean, I was already coaching when
was I was coaching basketball before Jeremy Lynn started playing.
But I'm glad. Yeah, that was actually pretty exciting. For
the next thing, Okay, this is really random, but so
I coached like kind of like youth league teams, right,
so people who the best players from the high schools
around the neighborhood, you know, would train with each other
(22:30):
and play each other. And the area that I was
in was a very Asian league, right, and a lot
of Asian players. And I the reason why I love
Jeremy Lynn so much is, you know, I grew up playing,
but I grew up playing in the inner city, and
so you know, this is a different game. And I
loved that Lynn didn't shoot from the outside. He wasn't
your stereotypical Asian players run up the floor and just shoot.
(22:51):
And I had to coach my players out of that
because I was like, no, no, we're going to play the
style that I want to play. Because also, you guys
are big. I had a big team, so I was like,
you guy should be like shooting, He's get it down
on the blot, like I encourage that, and I love
that limb like drove to the basket most of the
time because he didn't have a great shot, right, so
he was just driving. And anyway, once again, that's how
the different players play, right And I like to use
(23:12):
the different personalities to figure out, Okay, how am I
going to teach this person the masket?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
But I'm sorry that you're a next fan. It's been
a while.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Get out of Yeah, it's been a while. If you
are listening, if you notice what you have a great
nat for being able to pivot. How important is that
for the work that you do? Like, there's there's certain
guests that if I'm interviewing, I'm like, oh, I can't
believe it. I can talk. I need to stay a
(23:41):
little bit more structured than a certain guests where I
can get a little who's jumping and out of things?
How important is that? And what personality types or the
last two personality times?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So yeah, though, that I mean is the most important,
especially with coaching. I think, right, I think, I mean,
obviously I do have a structure in terms of a
personality typing structure. But the funny thing is I like
having a personality type email. The dollars use my structure
because it's basically saying, my structure is no structure. Right,
you kind of like have this thing where you're trying
to adjust and not to get onto the Asian thing again.
(24:18):
But you know BRUEs Lely, right, everyone knows Brucely. He's
famous per saying like d like water like just changed
in terms of fighting, like because you're fighting style. One
fighting style might not work against the person who you're
fighting against. So you've got to be able to just
adjust based on what they're giving you, right, And I think,
oddly enough as a metaphor, that's true in working with people,
like you never know what they need until you know
(24:39):
what they need, and you have to be prepared to
adjust and change it up based on what they are.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Right. So, and speaking of the other two personality packs, I.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Had mentioned one, and I call them the Shamans, and
they seek self knowledge and that's actually I fall into
that pack. A lot of people who do like coaching
and working with people to follow or fall under the
Shaman pack. And then the last one would be the smiths.
And the smiths seek information above all else. And I
used to say knowledge, but then you see knowledge and
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everyone's like, oh, I'm a smith. Then because I seek knowledge.
I'm like, no, not really, so I now use information
because that's not a sexy of a word. But the
way I tend to find out if someone's a smith
is I just asked them, Okay, if there's like a
drug and you were.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Like testing it, but you could only test it.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
On yourself to see if it worked, Like, would you
do it even though it might have site effects? Generally
a smith is not an automatic yes, But they'll think
about it, they'll be like colo, they'll do the first
much of that is like is it going to help
a lot of people?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Like is it going to cure cancer? Like? What's the
benefits of that? Right?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Whereas if you're gatherer and safety and security is your
main goal, you like, hell no, Like I am not
doing something that as a chance to hurt me, Like, well,
would I do that? You know it's a very fine line, right,
But I do that because there's not a whole lot
of Smith's out there, and a lot of people want
to be them because you say Einstign's a smith and
they're like, oh, I want to be like Einstein. I'm
like yeah, but if you gather, you don't really want
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to be like Einstein. He didn't even have his socks
matched right Like that would be like hell for some
other people.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
But they just think of the positive.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Things when they think the personality were. That's why I'm
always focusing on the negative because I don't want people
to try to be something they're not right. You just
have to accept who you are and the negative. There's
no problem accepting the negative too, because oftentimes our strengths
come from the negative aspects.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
So do you see like an Inspire dynamics, They they
judge on colors, right, and personalities and colors, and that's
how they markets high in lucks understand the customers that
they're pitching too. Where like room watching Fox News from
(26:52):
watching Fox News, certain commercials would run off Fox News
that wouldn't run on MSNBC, but for the same product,
so that they have two products for two different personality
buying types. And this is really about consumers. But in
the spiral they say that a person can be conservative
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or red in one area, in green in another area
in a life and go back and forth between the
two thinking dynamics, Are there any room for cross collaboration
within your personality types where someone may be on too
gatherer in some eras and ways that they think, and
(27:37):
in other eras that need be a smith and and
so forth.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, you know, I'll ben get asks that can people
change or can people do a little bit of something else?
And I'm always a no to the first one and
a yes to the second one. I think we can
clearly do anything.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
That we want in this life.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Right, it's more just what is our natural orientation, and
even our natural orientation can change in certain moments. Right, Like,
it's just because someone is safe and secure and that's
their motivation, doesn't mean that they can't take chances. Of
course they can take chances, just depends on what. But
it just means that their natural orientation is going to
be poor protectly, So they're going to take chances based
on protecting people, especially people they love, because once again,
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that's safety and security. Again, like it's all based on that,
you know. Like I think I was talking to someone
who was a gatherer, but what I described it, once again,
it's kind of sound. It's not the sexiest of descriptions
where I'm like, well you're you know, you're really structured
and reorganized. He's like, I can take chances, you know,
I can do that, and I realized that he did
because this is someone who escaped, I believe, from Iran
(28:40):
at a time, you know, when it wasn't great, like
in the eighties, right, And I'm sure that he did
take a lot of chance in that moment, but that
was to protect his family, right. It wasn't like I'm
gonna do this because it's fun, you know. And even then,
that same person when he was talking to another person.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I mentioned this in the book. I tell this story.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
He's talked, we're all in like this three person conversation,
and this person was saying talking about how she was
going to travel to Europe on her own, and he said, well,
you can't do that. That's dangerous. Like that was the
first word out of sentence out of his mouth. So
that was dangerous or that would be dangerous. So I
think generally we have a natural orientation towards things, and
I think it's important to understand and find that anchor
first of who we are, because then we can start
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like examining like, oh, hey, like my personality is not
the best at finishing thing, So maybe I want to
borrow some of the characteristics of a gatherer who is
really good at finishing the things they start, or maybe
like if you're a gatherer and you're like, yeah, you know,
I'm not the most exciting and I don't take the
most chances, but I'm playing poker and as a professional,
I need to borrow from people who are better at
taking calculated risks.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
So let me borrow some of their methods. So I
think that's the healthy way to go about it.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
So the book, what inspired you to write the book?
And yeah, coaching, now you move from one area of
entrepreneurship that follow her has that been hopeful in collaboration
with the book.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So when as far as the book was really random,
it was a friend of mine who said, you should
write a book on these personality types that you keep
talking about, you know, Like I was actually at the
moment I had shuttered my person or my education company
because I wanted to move on to writing.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Screenplays in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Which was actually my educational background excrangely enough was in screenwriting, right,
and so I was like, oh, I'm going to go
back to that because you know, I've had this successful
education company and now I kind of want to do
something creative, And so I joined the writer's group and
I was writing this and we'd go to the bar afterwards,
you know, after our writing session, and people started talking
and I brought that the personality types up, and you know,
(30:42):
when you bring that topic up, it just was exciting
to a lot of even people start talking about it.
So fair of Mia, I was like, you know, you
should reasually write a book on.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
This, because look at everyone's talking about this.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
And I was like, well, I don't know, like I
want to keep writing my script about sex addicta Rabbits.
And she was like, okay, whatever, yeah, that that's true
story actually, And but then the thing is she took
the personality typing methodology and put it in the show
that she writes. For at least the episode that she wrote,
she kind of not spliced it.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
There was actually a centerpiece of the episode.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Now she changed the animals to make it funny, but
there's a whole episode where people are getting a personality
type test on her show and they're getting different personal
animal personalities. And I was like, well, okay, if people
have that much fun with it and making me on
a show, I probably should write a book on it.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
And that was something that I pitched as well.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I was like, hey, that's featured on this television show
on Apple TV, you know, like and so that's how
I pitched it, and that's how I got my book
deal and was able to get it published this year.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Congratulations, So thank you. Do you think with your personality
on that you've gaven me some new information? I got
a couple more questions. What your personality going to school
as a screenwriter.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Who has who's taps into your imaginative performance hard but
also as an entrepreneur who taps into your stow it
more logical side.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
When it came to your coaching style, what do you
present in how do you best assist your students?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, you know, I think aside from adjusting based on
every student, I think it helps to have one mission, right,
what is your mission? At least for my personality type,
it's like, what is my goal? Because if I don't
believe in that, then I should not be doing this.
It's not about the money. It's I mean, you we
all have to survive to a certain extent, but at
the end of the day, we also have to be
(32:40):
happy within ourselves because we only get one life. As
I told one of my relatives, and so you don't
to waste that right, so because once it gets taken away, it's.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Not coming back.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And so in terms of my philosophy, my goal is
just to help people, help my students best connect with
who they really are. And oftentimes I get hired as
a writing coach. That's probably the most common avenue where
I start with a student, and the writing coaching eventually
led to me becoming a life coach, because what you
realize is that when you teach writing, it's not about
(33:11):
what people think it might be about, like they hire
you to do, Oh, I help my kid with grammar
and sentence structure and blah blah blah. And it's like,
that's the funny thing is, you know, when you're learning
writing at the highest level, no one ever talks about spelling, grammar,
sentence structure, you know what talks about that?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
The thing what they talk about is like what is
your voice? How do you express yourself?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
And does how you express yourself and how you're what
you're writing does that connect with other people?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Right? That's the most important thing.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
And so as I was teaching writing, I was like, well,
I'm going to help them express themselves better. Who are
they really and help them find their voice. And they
can't find their voice if they can don't find themselves.
And so that's where the light coaching came in. I
was like trying to help them.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Who are you? What do you want to tell?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
What's the story of your life that you want to
tell to people, because that's the thing that's going to
connect no matter whether you have, you know, terrible grammar
or not. Like always mentioned Charlie Barkley, who's one of
my favorite basketball players. He's my second favorite after Magic Johnson.
Of course, I gotta say Magic. Magic is why I
got into basketball, But Charlie Barkley is awesome. But you know,
he is the highest paid sports commentator I believe in
(34:14):
the world. And you know, he doesn't have he doesn't
always have the best grammar, you know, like he's like
saying things he'll be redundant sometimes, but he's his voice
is so clearly him and the things he's are saying
are so like insightful and honest that they really connect
with people, and people like that and people seeing like wow,
this is like I want to hear more from him,
and no one ever focuses on oh well, sometimes his
(34:36):
grammar is boor like not yet.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, it's funny that you would say up And he
used Charles Barkley as as the reference point because he
does sound like the uncle from the south that has
a lot of fifty He didn't send me, you know,
ugly be going on sometimes, But I do what he's saying.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I mean he is from Leeds all of so, you know,
like he's gonna found like that, you know, I mean
that's he's not from like wherever, like Boston, Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah. So do you see your your boat turning into
a big a project? Do you still have that writing
film production passion within you? Uh? And and you know,
do something that centered around personality traits in friends?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
You know, I I love to write a next book
or my next book.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
The plan would be to like strange enough, start a
podcast because I'd love to do more research on the
subject of romantic coupling. Because once again, now is not
my professional that I've had a professional romance counselor or
love counselor, Like I focus more on development, and so
obviously writing the first book or if hour to do
like a parent student or parent child relationship would be
(35:51):
a lot more at my Alley. But the question that
people always ask is we should match up with So
I'd love to start a podcast and interview people about that.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
So then it would lead into my next book, which
would be like more prescriptive, right, because my first book
was more like I.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Would to discover what people are because I don't really
love personality books that have a test before it and
people take this test and then the whole book are
prescriptions because I'm.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Like, well, what did you take the test wrong?
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Like, then all the prescriptions are going to be wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
So my book is more teaching people to be the test.
And once you are the test, then I think my
next goal would be to write book, a book that
would have a few prescriptions like, Okay, now you know
that you're a shark. You know if you get if
you get matched up with this, all these different animals,
all the other fifteen different animals, this is how you're
going to go well with them, and this is how
you're going to go poorly with them.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Like that seems like would be my next project.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Bro, there you have it, everybody, I have told you
we only bring you the best. My last question for you,
what books have influence impacted you? Over the course of
your life. It could be fiction and on fiction and
something that you would recommend to others. And then doesn't
only have to be one book.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Oh well, I would say this is going to be
a random one. But Franny and Zoe and Frandi and
Zoe written by J. D. Salinger.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
You know, I never always mentioned Ketching the Rye, which
I love Catching the Rye, by the way, But Franny
and Zoe is if catching the Rye is something that
tells us about or brings to light the phoniness in
the world and how it can be troubling growing up.
And once again, that relates to personality, right, like all
these people telling you what to do and it doesn't
match you. I think that's catching the Rye. But Franny
and Zoe brings that up but also gives you a
(37:24):
possible solution. So I think Frandi and Zoe would be
the best one in terms of how do we not
only that the world is screwed up sometimes for people,
but also how do we interact in that screwed up world?
Speaker 3 (37:34):
And for the best.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
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Walk in Victory speaking of victory walks. If you're going
to be a thought leader entrepreneur just in the leadership
world and position rather than owning your job, you know,
(01:03):
my my my targeted audience for people who will have
similar stories to mine that may be going through business
and me glowing up in a low income humanity during
the well on drug area, and you know, making my
finding my way through life out of that, navigating through
(01:26):
whatever systems it was in front of me and realizing
that I'm truly an entrepreneur and that's the route for me.
That may not be the route for everyone. Some people
route may be in another fortunate leadership. Well, you don't
(01:48):
want to roller dice and leave how you're going to
make your income based on your work or your creativity
or your knowledge. You want someone to give you a
check in exchange for your prom So you know, if
I'm playing with that, you know, as long as you
got the position, you can get in there drolls and
(02:09):
get all that other stuff with that mentrality and yes
to do it, nobody's frowning on it. So you listen
at these this show too. You can actually improve your
status in your company and help your you're both get
better vacations and more houses and stuff. You know, as
he gives you maybe a little slightly bigger check. Orthy
(02:32):
we're not show mystic, So that is you know, for
for thought leaders and stuff. But one of the things
that you have to have that's key and We've never
talked about this on none of our three hundred and
forty hold on three hundred and forty I want to
get a good sorry number three hundred and forty two
(02:54):
produced episodes of Walking. Victory is discernment. Discernment being able
to read people, being able to read a crowd. If
you're a public speaker, well, i've watched lead public speakers.
We call it die on the volnty right. They're giving
(03:15):
air presentation and they're not reading the room, or they're
so stuck on their manuscripts that they're not engaged in
the room, or that's so stuck on their manuscripts that
whatever they wrote, so the moment is not connecting and
they don't know how to go onto something that connects.
(03:38):
So that comes with discernment that comes from reading people,
come from reading the room. As contractor of my first business,
you had to read the persons, which was difficult for
me because I can from to a place where I
was charging by the square foot to a place where
I had to pivot and begin charging cording to situations.
(04:01):
So in order to charge the cord in the situations,
I had to be shure, to have some sense of discernment.
So today we're going to talk to our guests and
you know, retransform you. So I within by sitting and
having deep conversations with some of the masters in their field. Eric,
I'll are you.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
How's it go ahead, I'm doing great.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Thank you for so much, folks.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I love that lead up about talking about what makes
someone successful, right, and everyone has their own idea success
just because as you know, like that's my specialty is
trying to get people to connect with who they really
are and what they really want and go from there,
right as opposed to like wanting the things that other
people tell you should want.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
So how do you do that? How do you understand?
How do you help a person to find a roadmap
to see what it is that they really really want,
just opposed to what the blueprint is. You know, looks
a lot of times people have a blueprint. Well you
do this and you do that. Even as coaches, they
(05:06):
try to get you on the same kind as as
opposed to getting you on your original pair.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You know, it's basically so I've developed a personality typing methodology,
and you know, I published a book recently or had
a book published recently. This year called the power of personality,
and it basically teaches people how to understand not only
the people around them, but probably more not probably definitely
most importantly themselves.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Right, Like, you got to know what your.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Core values are, and then also the core values of
the people around you, specifically your parents or the people
who are telling you what you should be doing, because
those might be different than yours. So I think it's
super helpful to find out what every person's personality type is,
because from there then you can start to say, oh, okay,
so that's why they're telling you to do this. It
might not necessarily be right for me, it doesn't necessarily
(05:57):
mean it's not right for them. Right, everyone has their
own path to success, and everyone has their own path
to happiness, and I think understanding that helps people like
get along better understand their own path a little better
in terms of not falling off of it.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It's funny that you would say that, because one of
the methods that I personally used early on, if I
have big dilemmas and problems, I had some similar to
like a rich step or there, although neither of them
was rich, butess the mentality it was two different. One
was an entrepreneurial who who taught me how to think business,
(06:36):
paperwork and all of the things that I've learned from him.
And my dad, who was a worker, you know, just
have a job and work for the city, get you know.
He had that kind of mentality. So when I would
run into business problems, I would really call my dad
(06:58):
so that I can discern how to go. Now we'll
call my dad dot work because he would always come
up with a solution from a work to the men.
And then I was like, all right, so I'm going
to do like total because as an entreprene that's an entrepreneur,
(07:23):
we we don't solve problems for we bring solutions. We're
not solving problems. And it's two different things. Bringing a
solution and solving a problem. Right, if you solving problems,
you're going to get get paid a little bit. Oh wow,
he solved this problem. You may have said, oh, that
(07:45):
that light bulb is out, that's why the lights are
not working. So oh, you solved that problem. But they
there may have been a give you per meaning a
solution to the problem that sometimes you don't really look to.
When you talk about how one derived to their personality,
(08:06):
how did you get to the place where you are
and have the authority as a thought leader to really
really help others in a way that you do.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You know, I always say the stories when I was
young and then like adolescence right and never wanted adolessents
is trying to figure out themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I started realizing that some of the values that I
had were different than the students around me. You know,
like a lot of them were really focused on getting
the good grades, going to good college, that path, right,
that very like worker mentality. And I'm not saying that's bad,
that's actually like maybe what I've found is about half
the populations like that, and that's a good thing because
we wouldn't have society, we wouldn't have strong, stable civilizations,
(08:49):
and we didn't have that.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I was not like that.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I was a terrible student, and so I was trying
to figure out what was worse was I deep inside
I didn't really want to be a good student. So
I was like, wait, would I want this because everyone
else seems to want.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
This a right, Like, shouldn't I want to work hard?
You know?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And I'm not saying I didn't work hard, but I
wanted I was very specific in what I wanted to
work hard in where some people are more like, no,
I'm my duty is to like go do the things
that I don't want to do, and I was like,
I want to do the things that I don't want
to do. So it started an early age where I
started reading a lot about personality types and different philosophies,
like I went as far back as like Plato, and
(09:28):
you start to realize, oh, like, there's it's been going
on for a long long time. And I guess in
terms of authority, who I really started learning was I
started my own education company, so I owned that for
about a decade. We probably serviced about a thousand students
a year, So if you combined that with a number
of parents that we had, we were probably encountering maybe
(09:49):
like twenty thousand kids, you know, in total right, and
met a lot of people to be And so I
would use my personality typing method that methodology that I
developed to help my tutors understand their students better and
understand their students and their students' parents and then the
relationship between the two. And I think as you start
to see like, yeah, once again, a thousand students a year,
(10:11):
you start to see patterns of behavior, and that's when
I really really started developing the ability to like read
people better and also develop a personality typing methodology from that.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It's funny that she would say that she was a
bad student, but then you become like an educator. What
was before we look at the entrepreneurial side? What have
you a bad student? Or the Trickie Carter teaching method
(10:44):
method methodology didn't sit well with you, Like if they
could have taught you how to build a business, how
to do something that she was really interested in, as
opposed to saying, hey, this was difficult curriculums. I think,
do you think that you would have been better student
or what was your discovery? Ovio burials, evolution?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
You know, I think I don't want to blame I mean, yes,
my favorite quote from James Baldwin is that I'm pair
of raising. The more one becomes educated, the more one
more start to question the system they were educated in,
which I love that quote, and I think I had
a little bit of that. But I do think like
the system of education how it does work for a
(11:29):
select amount of people. I just have a personality type
like a lot of people where it's not necessarily in
the majority, right, Like I do remember an assignment that
I had for a class that I loved, and it
was to start your own business. So we had fake money,
of course, monopoly money, and everyone's starting their business. And
I remember because it showed me the difference in personalities,
right people, someone started a bakery and they big cookies
(11:49):
and they brought it and it makes you everyone feel
really good. And some people started like a car to
business where they would make cards and we'd all have
our little storefronts.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
My business was a casino because I was like, oh, well,
I'm going to do the thing that I think is
going to make a lot money, because I think that's
the one thing that everyone has to do. But it
didn't feel good for a lot of people, right, because
there's this like shady side to you know, casino, or
at least it sounds like shady or seedy or whatever.
And I remember how to jump through a lot of
hoops to get there, and I just remember that as like,
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I really love that assignment. But you can see the
differences in personalities based on the position that people took
within our fake civilization. Right, Some people went into government.
You know, and I think that's a good indicator of
the way.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
That people will go towards success.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And once again, it's not always about making money. It's
about what makes you happy and discovering that.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Right, what are some of the key personality traits that
you found in your assessment.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
So I'd say I would split people about to four packs,
and I call them four personality packs because I use
when it comes I use animal types to figure out
someone's personality. Right, So as you say one's a fox,
people know what kind of have the feeling of what
that person acts like. They're probably really good in business,
they're great and failed, maybe a little shamlessly sneaky, you know,
I think we know what a fought that acts like.
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So I split people up into four major packs, and
within those four packs are four animals. So that makes
of course sixteen in total. And I'd find that in
the major pack, which is the one that makes up
about fifty percent of the population, they seek safety and security.
So we can divide those paths by what people seek
the most. Yeah, that is their number one thing, safety security.
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When you think about like the things that we learn
growing up, like, oh, what you should do is be
a good student, so then you can go to college
or whatever and then get a good job and then
raise them, get married, then raise a family, buy a house.
All the things that make us feel safe and secure,
those come from those values come from that particular pack.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
And because there's so many of.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Them, they kind of permeate throughout society, which is great,
but sometimes that's not great. For let's say what I
call so I call that pack, Sar, I'm getting kind
of wonky here, but I call that pack the gatherer pack.
Then there's the hunter pack. So the hunter pack makes
up about a third of the population. And like say
they go hunting. They are hustlers, and I mean them
the best possible way. You know, I think they have
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no problem jumping into situations that they've never done before.
They find it exciting because their major motivation and desire
is excitement. And you can see a kind of conflict
between a group that values safety and security over here
and one that seeks new things and excitement over here.
That is a conflict, right, And I think that's kind
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of that ecotomy we often see. Like when you think
of Burt and Ernie, you know that you thinks the
odd couple where someone's really structured and organized and the
other person's kind of like spontaneous and more fun like that,
and that is about eighty five percent of the population.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
So and so when you have well, I don't know
if you went this star, but usually hunters and gatherers
a good balance on one another.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
No, and yes, yes, that's actually the number one couple.
Mary Tupple is a hunter and a gather And it's
kind of funny give the words hunter gatherers, but yeah,
it's just like I have an uncle and aunt who
are like that. I've met a lot of people like that,
and it's always the hunter's job. By my uncle's hunter,
it's their job to make sure that the kids are
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having fun and everyone's like light hearted, and then it's
the gatherer's job to make sure there's toilet paper in
the house.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Right Like that's you know.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I know, it's it's such a it's not exciting and
it's not glamorous, but I don't think gatherers would have
it underway.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Sometimes they want to.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Be like James Bond, Like I'm really like James Bond.
Right now, you just bought a motorcycle at forty to
seem like you're James Bond.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
But come on, that's okay. It's okay to be like
Satan and secure. You know you. I always say you've
won the Golden ticket.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, because you kind of do need stability, and even
if you are in like a hunker or a gatherer,
you still need to know that at the end of
the day, after I'm doing all this thing, sacans worth
when I go home. Because it's funny. I was I
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was reading a book about laws, and it started to
talk about the laws of attraction, and I mean, we
talked about the law the law of polarization, and it
says the same line polarization to opposite as the spectrum.
So the same line of love is a line of hate.
And then they kind of connected to each other. But
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then it's kind of great because we start talking about
mother's love, boyfriend, girlfriend love. I like your person, but
I'm not in love with them. I love them, but
I don't I'm not in love with them, you know.
And all of those things are and between the line
between love and hate, but when you really look at it,
they're all interconnected together. But he also talked about opposites
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and not really attracted because the similarities of a hunter
and a gatherer who comes together, so as you sit
down with them, you would realize that there's more similarities
than there are opposites, because our minds are not driven
to really go with someone that we don't have. Oh
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see some kind of similarity or solves there.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, you know, like I had mentioned, there are four
personality packs.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's funny enough that I mentioned the hunters and gatherers
first because they make of about eighty to eighty five
percent of the population.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
But they do have.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Something in common, and that's the thing that draws them
to each other, and it's that they both speak concretely,
so they view the way they view the world is
like acts like action, right, Like they are visceral people,
like whether your hunter gatherer, you view the world through
what you see and you get your information from your senses.
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And I think that's so the way that they communicate
is very concrete, and that's what draws them to each other.
And then the opposit our things are like, oh this
is kind of cool, like I can speak to this person,
they understand me. But the way the way we go
about the world is different, and that is also attractive right,
And not to say that other types can't pair up
with each other.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I will say this, if you get two hunters together,
they will burn hot and bath, you know, like they will.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
They have a lot of energy there and there's a
lot of fun because they both want to have fun.
And ideally hopefully that works out, but oftentimes it can
burn out really quick. Like when you think of like
in Hollywood or celebrities. Oftentimes celebrities, especially in entertainment, are hunters.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
That's just a hunter job. You know.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
It's very like free flowing and performance based, right, And
so you get these performers that hook up with each
other because they're fun and exciting, and then their relationship
ends in you know, six months, right, where gatherers are
much more steady. And I guess in the flip side,
you get two gathers together and they might not be
great for each other, but since they're gatherers and they're
like safety and security, and let's say they have kids,
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they might be in the relationship forever, which is not
good because a miserable with each other, right, But because
they're so like you know, ingrained and keeping things tight.
So I mean there are bad things that go with
different parents, and there are great things. And I always
just say tell people, like when they're talking about that
kind of thing, like in terms of what personality type
matches up romantically well with another one, I always say,
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you just have to know that there's going to be conflict.
There's always going to be conflict based on your personality,
and you just got to be okay with the source
of that conflict because you're not. You can't try to
change your partner. That's not a good thing.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
How did you When did you know that this was you?
This was your call? And then this is the thing
that you bring to the world. And from our conversation
and we're going to get on the last two personality types,
we'll get out again today and through our conversation, you're
very acknowledgeable. Go with me back on the parents. When
you started to discover that this is the thing that
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you was going to present.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, it probably was, Well, I didn't know for sure,
and my personality type is one that never knows for sure.
I don't even know for sure now, you know, But
I would probably say, like when I first started, was
definitely my own personal path or trying to find myself
and starting to realize, like my personality type is our
desire or our thing that we go for is self knowledge,
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right to learn about ourselves.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
And you know, everyone a lot of people say that,
but not really right. People don't.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
People say, oh, I want to learn about myself and're like, no,
not really. You want to have fun, like as long
as it's fun, you want to learn about yourself, but
like to really go deep and like start to question
your values and stuff is not necessarily fun for everyone,
but it is something that is true for a certain
amount of people.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
And that was me.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
And as I went on that path, I started realizing, oh, like,
the terrible thing is that you're always questioning yourself and
wondering if you're doing the right thing, like for you.
The nice thing is I was always conscious of people
around me, and I was always pretty good at like diplomacy,
like skills with persuasion, helping people grow and even I
started at an early age, you know, I was a
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boy scout as part of a boy Scout troupe, and
I eventually started volunteering when I became an adult as
an assistant Scout master, and we had a troup of
maybe sixty or seventy kids, So that was kind of
cool where I could work and design leadership, a leadership
structure and start using the personality types to figure out, Okay,
who's should be in charge of these people and like
see how personality types bounce off of each other. I
(21:23):
also was a basketball coach, so I saw that quite
a bit as well, in terms of the type of
players you want in certain situations and how you have
to I want say deal, but work with kids or
people differently when you're coaching, right, not every Like some
people you can yell out and get really hard on
and scold them and they'll respond to that. Others need
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the soft touch. And I think so basically through the
course of.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
My young life, I just.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Just fell into things where I was helping people and
coaching people and directing people. And then then then that's
why I started realizing, Oh, this is something that I'm
good at and I probably should start a business based
on it.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Let me ask you a question. I'm not trying to
be funny. I'm a nick fan. How impactful was Jeremy
Lynn on the fact that you got into basketball basketball coaching?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
You know The funny thing is I'm well, I'm older,
so I was. I mean, I was already coaching when
was I was coaching basketball before Jeremy Lynn started playing.
But I'm glad. Yeah, that was actually pretty exciting. For
the next thing, Okay, this is really random, but so
I coached like kind of like youth league teams, right,
so people who the best players from the high schools
around the neighborhood, you know, would train with each other
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and play each other. And the area that I was
in was a very Asian league, right, and a lot
of Asian players. And I the reason why I love
Jeremy Lynn so much is, you know, I grew up playing,
but I grew up playing in the inner city, and
so you know, this is a different game. And I
loved that Lynn didn't shoot from the outside. He wasn't
your stereotypical Asian players run up the floor and just shoot.
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And I had to coach my players out of that
because I was like, no, no, we're going to play the
style that I want to play. Because also, you guys
are big. I had a big team, so I was like,
you guy should be like shooting, He's get it down
on the blot, like I encourage that, and I love
that limb like drove to the basket most of the
time because he didn't have a great shot, right, so
he was just driving. And anyway, once again, that's how
the different players play, right And I like to use
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the different personalities to figure out, Okay, how am I
going to teach this person the masket?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
But I'm sorry that you're a next fan. It's been
a while.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Get out of Yeah, it's been a while. If you
are listening, if you notice what you have a great
nat for being able to pivot. How important is that
for the work that you do? Like, there's there's certain
guests that if I'm interviewing, I'm like, oh, I can't
believe it. I can talk. I need to stay a
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little bit more structured than a certain guests where I
can get a little who's jumping and out of things?
How important is that? And what personality types or the
last two personality times?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So yeah, though, that I mean is the most important,
especially with coaching. I think, right, I think, I mean,
obviously I do have a structure in terms of a
personality typing structure. But the funny thing is I like
having a personality type email. The dollars use my structure
because it's basically saying, my structure is no structure. Right,
you kind of like have this thing where you're trying
to adjust and not to get onto the Asian thing again.
(24:18):
But you know BRUEs Lely, right, everyone knows Brucely. He's
famous per saying like d like water like just changed
in terms of fighting, like because you're fighting style. One
fighting style might not work against the person who you're
fighting against. So you've got to be able to just
adjust based on what they're giving you, right, And I think,
oddly enough as a metaphor, that's true in working with people,
like you never know what they need until you know
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what they need, and you have to be prepared to
adjust and change it up based on what they are.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Right. So, and speaking of the other two personality packs, I.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Had mentioned one, and I call them the Shamans, and
they seek self knowledge and that's actually I fall into
that pack. A lot of people who do like coaching
and working with people to follow or fall under the
Shaman pack. And then the last one would be the smiths.
And the smiths seek information above all else. And I
used to say knowledge, but then you see knowledge and
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everyone's like, oh, I'm a smith. Then because I seek knowledge.
I'm like, no, not really, so I now use information
because that's not a sexy of a word. But the
way I tend to find out if someone's a smith
is I just asked them, Okay, if there's like a
drug and you were.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Like testing it, but you could only test it.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
On yourself to see if it worked, Like, would you
do it even though it might have site effects? Generally
a smith is not an automatic yes, But they'll think
about it, they'll be like colo, they'll do the first
much of that is like is it going to help
a lot of people?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Like is it going to cure cancer? Like? What's the
benefits of that? Right?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Whereas if you're gatherer and safety and security is your
main goal, you like, hell no, Like I am not
doing something that as a chance to hurt me, Like, well,
would I do that? You know it's a very fine line, right,
But I do that because there's not a whole lot
of Smith's out there, and a lot of people want
to be them because you say Einstign's a smith and
they're like, oh, I want to be like Einstein. I'm
like yeah, but if you gather, you don't really want
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to be like Einstein. He didn't even have his socks
matched right Like that would be like hell for some
other people.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
But they just think of the positive.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Things when they think the personality were. That's why I'm
always focusing on the negative because I don't want people
to try to be something they're not right. You just
have to accept who you are and the negative. There's
no problem accepting the negative too, because oftentimes our strengths
come from the negative aspects.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
So do you see like an Inspire dynamics, They they
judge on colors, right, and personalities and colors, and that's
how they markets high in lucks understand the customers that
they're pitching too. Where like room watching Fox News from
(26:52):
watching Fox News, certain commercials would run off Fox News
that wouldn't run on MSNBC, but for the same product,
so that they have two products for two different personality
buying types. And this is really about consumers. But in
the spiral they say that a person can be conservative
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or red in one area, in green in another area
in a life and go back and forth between the
two thinking dynamics, Are there any room for cross collaboration
within your personality types where someone may be on too
gatherer in some eras and ways that they think, and
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in other eras that need be a smith and and
so forth.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, you know, I'll ben get asks that can people
change or can people do a little bit of something else?
And I'm always a no to the first one and
a yes to the second one. I think we can
clearly do anything.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
That we want in this life.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Right, it's more just what is our natural orientation, and
even our natural orientation can change in certain moments. Right, Like,
it's just because someone is safe and secure and that's
their motivation, doesn't mean that they can't take chances. Of
course they can take chances, just depends on what. But
it just means that their natural orientation is going to
be poor protectly, So they're going to take chances based
on protecting people, especially people they love, because once again,
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that's safety and security. Again, like it's all based on that,
you know. Like I think I was talking to someone
who was a gatherer, but what I described it, once again,
it's kind of sound. It's not the sexiest of descriptions
where I'm like, well you're you know, you're really structured
and reorganized. He's like, I can take chances, you know,
I can do that, and I realized that he did
because this is someone who escaped, I believe, from Iran
(28:40):
at a time, you know, when it wasn't great, like
in the eighties, right, And I'm sure that he did
take a lot of chance in that moment, but that
was to protect his family, right. It wasn't like I'm
gonna do this because it's fun, you know. And even then,
that same person when he was talking to another person.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I mentioned this in the book. I tell this story.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
He's talked, we're all in like this three person conversation,
and this person was saying talking about how she was
going to travel to Europe on her own, and he said, well,
you can't do that. That's dangerous. Like that was the
first word out of sentence out of his mouth. So
that was dangerous or that would be dangerous. So I
think generally we have a natural orientation towards things, and
I think it's important to understand and find that anchor
first of who we are, because then we can start
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like examining like, oh, hey, like my personality is not
the best at finishing thing, So maybe I want to
borrow some of the characteristics of a gatherer who is
really good at finishing the things they start, or maybe
like if you're a gatherer and you're like, yeah, you know,
I'm not the most exciting and I don't take the
most chances, but I'm playing poker and as a professional,
I need to borrow from people who are better at
taking calculated risks.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
So let me borrow some of their methods. So I
think that's the healthy way to go about it.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
So the book, what inspired you to write the book?
And yeah, coaching, now you move from one area of
entrepreneurship that follow her has that been hopeful in collaboration
with the book.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So when as far as the book was really random,
it was a friend of mine who said, you should
write a book on these personality types that you keep
talking about, you know, Like I was actually at the
moment I had shuttered my person or my education company
because I wanted to move on to writing.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Screenplays in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Which was actually my educational background excrangely enough was in screenwriting, right,
and so I was like, oh, I'm going to go
back to that because you know, I've had this successful
education company and now I kind of want to do
something creative, And so I joined the writer's group and
I was writing this and we'd go to the bar afterwards,
you know, after our writing session, and people started talking
and I brought that the personality types up, and you know,
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when you bring that topic up, it just was exciting
to a lot of even people start talking about it.
So fair of Mia, I was like, you know, you
should reasually write a book on.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
This, because look at everyone's talking about this.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
And I was like, well, I don't know, like I
want to keep writing my script about sex addicta Rabbits.
And she was like, okay, whatever, yeah, that that's true
story actually, And but then the thing is she took
the personality typing methodology and put it in the show
that she writes. For at least the episode that she wrote,
she kind of not spliced it.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
There was actually a centerpiece of the episode.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Now she changed the animals to make it funny, but
there's a whole episode where people are getting a personality
type test on her show and they're getting different personal
animal personalities. And I was like, well, okay, if people
have that much fun with it and making me on
a show, I probably should write a book on it.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
And that was something that I pitched as well.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I was like, hey, that's featured on this television show
on Apple TV, you know, like and so that's how
I pitched it, and that's how I got my book
deal and was able to get it published this year.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Congratulations, So thank you. Do you think with your personality
on that you've gaven me some new information? I got
a couple more questions. What your personality going to school
as a screenwriter.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Who has who's taps into your imaginative performance hard but
also as an entrepreneur who taps into your stow it
more logical side.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
When it came to your coaching style, what do you
present in how do you best assist your students?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, you know, I think aside from adjusting based on
every student, I think it helps to have one mission, right,
what is your mission? At least for my personality type,
it's like, what is my goal? Because if I don't
believe in that, then I should not be doing this.
It's not about the money. It's I mean, you we
all have to survive to a certain extent, but at
the end of the day, we also have to be
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happy within ourselves because we only get one life. As
I told one of my relatives, and so you don't
to waste that right, so because once it gets taken away, it's.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Not coming back.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And so in terms of my philosophy, my goal is
just to help people, help my students best connect with
who they really are. And oftentimes I get hired as
a writing coach. That's probably the most common avenue where
I start with a student, and the writing coaching eventually
led to me becoming a life coach, because what you
realize is that when you teach writing, it's not about
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what people think it might be about, like they hire
you to do, Oh, I help my kid with grammar
and sentence structure and blah blah blah. And it's like,
that's the funny thing is, you know, when you're learning
writing at the highest level, no one ever talks about spelling, grammar,
sentence structure, you know what talks about that?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
The thing what they talk about is like what is
your voice? How do you express yourself?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
And does how you express yourself and how you're what
you're writing does that connect with other people?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Right? That's the most important thing.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
And so as I was teaching writing, I was like, well,
I'm going to help them express themselves better. Who are
they really and help them find their voice. And they
can't find their voice if they can don't find themselves.
And so that's where the light coaching came in. I
was like trying to help them.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Who are you? What do you want to tell?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
What's the story of your life that you want to
tell to people, because that's the thing that's going to
connect no matter whether you have, you know, terrible grammar
or not. Like always mentioned Charlie Barkley, who's one of
my favorite basketball players. He's my second favorite after Magic Johnson.
Of course, I gotta say Magic. Magic is why I
got into basketball, But Charlie Barkley is awesome. But you know,
he is the highest paid sports commentator I believe in
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the world. And you know, he doesn't have he doesn't
always have the best grammar, you know, like he's like
saying things he'll be redundant sometimes, but he's his voice
is so clearly him and the things he's are saying
are so like insightful and honest that they really connect
with people, and people like that and people seeing like wow,
this is like I want to hear more from him,
and no one ever focuses on oh well, sometimes his
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grammar is boor like not yet.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, it's funny that you would say up And he
used Charles Barkley as as the reference point because he
does sound like the uncle from the south that has
a lot of fifty He didn't send me, you know,
ugly be going on sometimes, But I do what he's saying.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I mean he is from Leeds all of so, you know,
like he's gonna found like that, you know, I mean
that's he's not from like wherever, like Boston, Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah. So do you see your your boat turning into
a big a project? Do you still have that writing
film production passion within you? Uh? And and you know,
do something that centered around personality traits in friends?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
You know, I I love to write a next book
or my next book.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
The plan would be to like strange enough, start a
podcast because I'd love to do more research on the
subject of romantic coupling. Because once again, now is not
my professional that I've had a professional romance counselor or
love counselor, Like I focus more on development, and so
obviously writing the first book or if hour to do
like a parent student or parent child relationship would be
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a lot more at my Alley. But the question that
people always ask is we should match up with So
I'd love to start a podcast and interview people about that.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
So then it would lead into my next book, which
would be like more prescriptive, right, because my first book
was more like I.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Would to discover what people are because I don't really
love personality books that have a test before it and
people take this test and then the whole book are
prescriptions because I'm.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Like, well, what did you take the test wrong?
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Like, then all the prescriptions are going to be wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
So my book is more teaching people to be the test.
And once you are the test, then I think my
next goal would be to write book, a book that
would have a few prescriptions like, Okay, now you know
that you're a shark. You know if you get if
you get matched up with this, all these different animals,
all the other fifteen different animals, this is how you're
going to go well with them, and this is how
you're going to go poorly with them.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Like that seems like would be my next project.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Bro, there you have it, everybody, I have told you
we only bring you the best. My last question for you,
what books have influence impacted you? Over the course of
your life. It could be fiction and on fiction and
something that you would recommend to others. And then doesn't
only have to be one book.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Oh well, I would say this is going to be
a random one. But Franny and Zoe and Frandi and
Zoe written by J. D. Salinger.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
You know, I never always mentioned Ketching the Rye, which
I love Catching the Rye, by the way, But Franny
and Zoe is if catching the Rye is something that
tells us about or brings to light the phoniness in
the world and how it can be troubling growing up.
And once again, that relates to personality, right, like all
these people telling you what to do and it doesn't
match you. I think that's catching the Rye. But Franny
and Zoe brings that up but also gives you a
(37:24):
possible solution. So I think Frandi and Zoe would be
the best one in terms of how do we not
only that the world is screwed up sometimes for people,
but also how do we interact in that screwed up world?
Speaker 3 (37:34):
And for the best.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
There you have it. Everyone listen. All of Eric's information
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where you can get the book and get the clarity
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(37:57):
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