January 13, 2025 • 32 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello Dave, good morning. Thanks for having me on. It's
been a while.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, it's been a while. I guess we've all been
very busy.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yes, we've all been busy doing various things personal, professional,
what have you.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
And winning pickleball tournaments.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
That's a new sport for me. But I'm enjoying myself. Yo.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Man, you won a tournament. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yes, we I enter a beginner's tournament and my partner
and I we won it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So was it a sponsor tournament? Was there a Rolex
timekeeper or a citizen or omega like the Olympics?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Unfortunately we are not at that level. So is a
beginner tournament? Like I said, as it was my first time,
so nothing fancy.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Is there a need for time keeping in pick a
ball or is it just like tennis? It's just there
for to be aware of the time.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It's very similar to tennis, So just basic time.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Okay, So it's not like you need to shoot off
a serve in five seconds or it's a fault or
anything like that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I don't believe. So no cool as far as I know, No,
not in that respect, just to countdown timer.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well maybe, hey, pickball is growing, So any watch companies
out there, here's a good opportunity to get into sport
without a competition for sponsorship. There you go. Maybe a
micro brand, Yeah they have a clock. I know sickles
have clocks. Oh no, Cicle is a big brand. They
might not be interested in pickleball, but I think Marathon
(02:18):
has a time piece. But hey man, it might be
an opportunity for a micro brand.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, most most definitely sponsorship is it's not popular right
now for for watch companies. So if you can slap
your brand logo on there, now's the time to do it.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
It'd probably be a good idea because it is growing.
Pickleball is everywhere, even when any travel I see people
convert tennis courts into pickleball courts.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I think it's the number one fastest growing sport in
North America.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, there you go, come on sponsorship. Hey, yeah, you
have like a Whitby Watch Company T shirt. If it
still fits you, you should wear that.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Hey, if they want they want a sponsor, that's not
a bad idea.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
They might throw you another T shirt. Who knows.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, anything would be appreciated. So what's on the agenda today, Dave?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
You know Detroit our show. I don't know if this
is gonna be airic right before or slightly after or
during the all show, but we have the Toronto Alive
show coming up. And you and I are car people
as well as watch people. So one of our favorite
topics is cars and watches. Let's let's talk about that.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I think that's a great topic. We've covered it once
in the past, but definitely would be welcome to revisit
that because they pretty much go hand in hand punintended.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
We did do a car and watch episode specifically, but
I know a lot of times some of the unique
time pieces we talked about watches usually also came into
the conversation. You always find these high end custom pieces
that actually, quite frankly, are more art pieces.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
In the past was different, but now we can talk
about what I've been seeing, how specific brands match with
specific car brands.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, so do you have something to talk about right now.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
If we're going to match car brands with watch bands,
I can talk about one that is probably most synonymous
and everyone would be on the same page and agree,
and that being Tesla, would be equivalent to an Apple.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I don't think there'd be any disagreement there as they're
both essentially American made or American designed, and very digital
from a technology standpoint, all based on Internet and practicality.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yes, it's interesting. It's very like you said, both have function.
Both take design seriously and it's like a modern approach
to design. So design again is function. It's more about,
let's say, for Tesla, for example, aerodynamics smart watch, it's
(05:44):
more about having that screen mm hmm right for display.
But with both the companies, I feel like they're lacking
at history because both are relatively you So they got
the design, they got the function, but I think they're missing.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I know what the word is.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
There's like a joy component. I want to say soul,
but soul is almost cliche.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
The word is emotion. As a driver, you would not
want to drive a Tesla. A Tesla is a point
A to B car, and so's an Apple watch. It
does everything for you, right, you don't need to do anything,
and Tesla it can drive by itself almost if you
(06:39):
get the full autonomous package, so it takes all the
joy out of driving as a driver. That's probably the
last vehicle you'd want to, you know, drive round on
a windy road on our bypass or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I'm probably gonna get hated by this, but you're right
it lacks any soul as well. And all those EV lovers,
I know you're gonna disagree, but that's okay. We can
agree to disagree.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Look, I like the idea EV. I would say it's
probably a good idea to own an EV maybe as
a second or third vehicle. Well, if it's a primary vehicle,
I'm gas all the way.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, I'm not opposed to EV myself. It's a completely
different topic. I just haven't purchased an EV. But you
wouldn't be buying it for a mountain pass. It would
be just for a to be a vehicle to get
your to and from work. And you want to save
some money in fossil fuels or the environment, whatever the
(07:47):
case may be, you're reasoning for buying one. But in
terms of driving we're talking about driving and watches. Yeah,
there's really not much fun in it.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Which EV's have you driven?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Oh? Have I driven Tesla? Has I driven a Model three? Model? Wise?
The Ford, Mustang, Marck E just not too bad? Have
I driven? I've been in Mercedes EQB.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh, what's about the Toronto Auto Show? Which which EV's
did you drive? I can't remember. I know we've both
driven a few down.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
There, including those brief test drives. I think I drove
a Heyende Kona EV. Right, we drove the Cadillac Lyric
that Yeah, Oh I love that one.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
A couple other ones I can't think of.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
When you go from EV to EV, especially within the
same company like Tesla to Tesla, did you feel like
any major difference or do they feel all the same inside?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You know what? The first generation Model threes and the
current model why they feel very similar. They're not very
well built, to be honest with you. They're American made.
They're very utilitarian. But the second generation Model three, which
is the high lend model, they definitely made some nice
(09:22):
changes on the interior where it lacks. Most driving dynamics
are decent, but it still feels very digital, which it
is so in that respect, it's very consistent but slightly
more modern at the same time. But one thing I
don't like about the new Tesla's, like the Highland and
(09:44):
the next generation model, why is that they've gotten rid
of those column stocks, the wipers and the signal lights. Oh,
they should bring those back.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So they're totally moving away from that driver's experience.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, completely, it's just like a joystick or a controller rather.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Oh, that's a shame.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
To try to remove all the fun out of driving.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Oh man. Now, moving away from Tesla and smart watches,
what would you say is the opposite side of that spectrum?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
The opposite for watches, I guess would be something like
an ap Oldemar Pague. How's that for opposite, Yes, so
something high end like that would have to go to.
Like I think a lot of people would agree with
a Rolls Royce or a Bentley Upper Cachet, high end
(10:50):
vehicle that's luxury based. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And the last time we talked about Rolls Royce and
bent I remember they had a pretty cool dash clock.
It was essentially a watchwinder and you could put a
watch in it. I forgot which.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Watch Bentley has always used Brightling.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I believe, yes, Bentley and Brightling. Was it the Bugatti
that used the Pamiani or I can't remember. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I don't know. Someone can fact check us and who
else used OURWC?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
The Mercedes S class, Yeah, the S classes use IWC. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I do like the fact that some vehicles will put
a non digital watch or clock in the vehicle.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I think that adds a lot of class and I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Think too many manufacturers done that. I think Infinity has
done that as well. From a Japanese perspective.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Infinity, Porsche, Mercedes. I think Chrysler liked the Chrysler three hundred.
I just like any company that does that really.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
M hm. Yeah, it shows that you know, they care
about the driver, not everything's digital. Yes, analog clocks still
exist and a lot of people still use them, But
when you're driving, the last thing you really want to
look at is an analog clock. It's really there, just
as that show piece.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well saying that when you're driving. Remember they had driver
watches mm hmm. I think I might have talked about
this one in the past. One I own is the Boulevar.
They have that driver's watch to Compytron. The display is
on the side, so apparently it's easier to read while
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you're driving right. And at the same time, I still
don't know who came out with it first. At the
same time there was is Gerard Parago. They have a
very similar one just that probably ten or twenty times
(13:12):
the price tag.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
The casket that's it. Yeah, that's a great watch. Who
made that in the beginning? Was that a pulsar?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
See this is a debate. It could have been Bulova
or Gerard Parago. I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think that's a GP, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
With you, I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Now that's a driver's watch.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Seiko had one where the actual dial is tilted so
at the twelve o'clock position, what was normally twelve o'clock
would be.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Ten o'clock, ten and two.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, it's rotated, so now twelve was at two o'clock.
And I had an opportunity to talk to the owner
of Varrio and Vario makes one. You could buy them
currently and they have a model called the nine to
eighteen Pilot and they use a mechanical movement. Again, it's
(14:15):
a very vintage work looking watch and at the twelve
o'clock position is again to ten, and at two o'clock
is at twelve. The Crown's at two o'clock designed for
pilots to read the time easier, but also follows that
driver philosophy.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I just took a look at it. Now. That brings
me to one of my favorite watches of all time,
one I would love to own in my collection. You
know what that is?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Is that the Vastro.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
VC nineteen twenty one historic. Yes, I've won that watch
on my wrist and that feels like a million bucks.
I would love to own one of these, but there
so expensive, forty thousand dollars no things.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Oh geez, Well for five hundred and seventy Canadian you
could get the Varrio.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
There you go, there you go. Which you don't want
to break the bank, that's a good way to do it.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And those computrons Boulavah, if you want a computron instead
of a casquette, I think they're around the same price,
between four and six hundred.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, yeah, definitely not a bad idea. If you can't
afford the original, or you don't want to, or you
just can't. Most people just can't.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Like me, most people. Yeah, I can't go out and
buy a forty thousand VC.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Even if you could, you probably wouldn't. That's a lot
of money to spend on a time piece. Yes, I
can amount of money.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
What's going on with your watches? Are you? Are you
in the market? Do you have your eye on a
particular watch right now currently?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
No? I had some issues with my my tisso that
are still not rectified. So I'm not doing anything right now.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Oh, they haven't fixed the most recent problem.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
No, it's still not fixed. It's been back to watch
group three times now.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Oh man, But.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
That's another topic. I don't want to get into that.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Can I interest you in the Varrio.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
In the Virio? Maybe I'd have to take a closer
look at it.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Why I think they have a giveaway?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Okay, all right, sounds good.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
But the more I look at Varrio, maybe it's just
because we're talking about these cars. I am really interested
in this pilot watch.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, it's definitely very, very close to nineteen twenty one
in terms of aesthetic.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I always like these micro brands because once you talk
to the owner, which I did, and he really loves watches.
This is definitely not just for making money. It's a
passion m hm, So.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
It'd be nice.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I believe Singapore. Oh okay, And I say that because
I met him with a few other watch collectors from Asia.
So I might be getting it mixed up. But it
might be Singapore, Indonesia. I'm trying to think now, probably Singapore.
(17:53):
Let me see if I could find it.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh, somewhere in Asia. It doesn't matter. You don't have
to be specific. And he's getting back on topic. Let
me ask you what watch brand would and car company
would you match it up with.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I would match up Casio and.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Honda, Cassio and Honda.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Okay, Why I'm looking at Casios because you got affordable
to not affordable, like with the mister G shocks, right,
all right, it could get quite expensive, right Honda. If
you look at Honda, you got the affordable, like a
(18:36):
very affordable Honda, practical Honda to Accura specifically accurate NSX.
So as a watch company, they offer something for everyone.
Car company, they offer something for everyone. People love to
customize civics. Casio has the Casio which people love to modify.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Mm hmm. It's just.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I think they developed a fan base. Both Honda and
Cassio have done a really good job building that fan base,
so I think culturally, the impact they've had on the
general public is what makes them similar. You could be
a car fanatic and still buy a Honda, or you
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could just be someone looking for a car from A
to B and bio Honda. You could be a watch
fanatic and enjoy a Cassio, or you could just be
someone looking for a ton piece and end up buying Casio.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, I'd have to agree with you. I was going
to go in that direction. Casio is Japanese, and same
with Hondas and Toyota's Mas and Nissans. I would group
all these together. Seiko would be more Toyota, I would say.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I was gonna say that too. Yeah, yeah, that was good.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
But they're all pretty much the same, all these Japanese cars.
Predominantly in the past, people modify them to hell, and
there's still lots of them on the road with you know,
I'm guilty of that too. Change and exhaust here do
some wheels. You know, we've all tinkered with stuff, and
a lot of Saikos and Cassios have been modeled as well,
(20:28):
from movements to cases to you know, watch bands, straps,
you name it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
So would you say changing the rims on your car
is similar to changing the strap on your watch?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah? Yeah, I would say, so that's pretty close. Wouldn't
you say it's easy to do and you just swap
it out and yeah, strap and tires and wheels definitely.
A movement would be the engine, right, that's the heart definitely,
(21:07):
And then you know if you're going to do any
body parts, and that would be like a case mod
or a dial change or hand movement.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Oh good point.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I'm just thinking. I'm giggling because I'm envisioning a Honda
Civic with a hood scoop and a large, big ass
rear wing. The obnoxious exhaust.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Right now brings us back to our youth.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I've never had a hood scoop. I never will.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Well, you did modify the crap l of your SKX
your Saiko.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yes I have, but it looks tasteful.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Mm hmm. I agree.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, compared to most car mods for the normal folks,
that is, most people will just throw on an obnoxiously
loud exhaust. I think that's the number first first mod.
Most people do make it louder.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, if you do the right exhaust, it doesn't get
too loud, and it does help with the top end.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Right potato potato. I don't think it helps all that much.
A little bit less pract pressure.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
They say, what one to two horsepower in the top end,
which is not noticeable, not really, But if you're a
numbers person, maybe.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yes, I think an ECU MOD would be the most
beneficial for power by far.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Absolutely. Do you have any other watches that you can
think of that compares nicely with a.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Brand we haven't talked about the elephant in the room,
the most popular brand, Rolex? What would you classify Rolex?
This can be very controversial.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Okay, maybe this will be the last watch we take
a look at. I have to say with Rolex in
the general public, there's a sense of luxury. But also
people use Rolex to help set their own personal goals
of success. They also use it as a symbol of
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achieving goals. And when I look at that, for in
terms of a car, something that's success driven, something that
lends self to luxury. Also for many people who use
it as a a symbol of success for themselves, personal
success that they've made it. My feeling is a ferrari
(24:16):
ferrari me personally, as a as a as a watch fanatic,
I don't think they aligned. But when I talk to people,
they use a Ferrari as a symbol that they've made it,
and I feel that's why I choose Ferrari me personally,
I think Rolex lines up more with either high end
(24:42):
Mercedes or Portie. But there's a lot of people in
my life that are not car fanatics or watch fanatics,
and they both hold Rolex and Frari as this as
this monster landmark of a chief ment.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Okay, okay, no, no, I get where you're coming from.
Although I would I would have to disagree with you, okay,
and agree with your second point because role X nowadays
everybody has a Rolex like it's it's quite easily attainable
(25:24):
as opposed to a Ferrari. A lot of people have
used role Axes, which are not that expensive, and you
can get a Rolex for like ten K to sixty
seventy K so as opposed to a Ferrari which starts
at three hundred. So I don't think they align so
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much brand wise.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Good point.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
So I would think Mercedes, like you know, most people,
if you have a Mercedes, look I'm making one hundred
K year. I can afford a Mercedes, and same with
a Rolex. It can be had if you make a
six figure salary. So I think they're they're pretty close
in that respect. A lot of people have them, even
(26:10):
if you're If you have a lot of money, you
probably have a Rolex and some higher end watches. But
if you have a Mercedes, you probably won't have a Ferrari.
You can't afford it.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
No, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
It's synonymous with status, symbol, number number one brand. You know,
a lot of people will rather have a role X
and an ap or or something higher end.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Right, you could sell drugs and also buy a Ferrari.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
True enough.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I think of those Miami vice days.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You have to sell different kinds of drugs to make money.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Though you're completely right.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Can you say that again? It's not often that you
agree with me. Whow Okay, it's been recorded, folks.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I like that it's recorded.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I put some thought into it, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I like how you said it. Right with the used
market especially makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
And now that cars have increased in price a lot
more than watches unless you go up to a high
end watches. You know, you're Richard meals and stupid stuff.
You know Jacob and Co. Where they start six figures
(27:45):
and up. Yeah, I think those are synonymous with you know,
a million dollar cars, your Bugattis and Cona's eggs. Yeah,
even some McLaren's high end Ferrari's, they're just stupid priced.
When you're at seven figures to buy a car, Like,
come on, is it really worth that much money.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
If you win a lot of Yes, it's amazing. When
I do see those cars on the road, I am
amazed that people are driving them. And as you said, like,
would you spend that much money on the car, Like
you must really love that car because I imagine to
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have made that money must have been extremely difficult.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yes and no. Sometimes you know, with the technology these days,
there are a lot of rich crypto millionaires, and then
you have finance business people, people with companies, large companies.
They're worth a lot of money, so why not blow
some of it?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And this is proof that you and I hang out
with different people.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
They won't hang out with us. That's the difference.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
They're in a pickleball tournament with you.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Probably those people don't work, They travel for a living,
and they just travel from place to place, meet other socialites,
other rich people, take some meetings, take some calls, and
then that's about it. That's their life.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Oh man, I feel sorry for them. No, really, I'd
hate to be on a vacation with those people. Oh man,
I can't even have a coffee with those people. They
annoy me so much.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I don't think I haven't met anybody in that category
of wealth, but a lot of them, Yeah, the ones
that have the super yachts, the billionaires, and I don't think,
you know what, come to think of it, I don't
A lot of billionaires probably don't associate with millionaires because
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just not on the same level.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Oh, that's a good point. I don't think I met billionaires.
They they might be more cool than millionaires. Yes, it's
the millionaires that, oh look at my this, Look at
my that, I drive you this, I drive it that.
I'm like, okay, okay, I'm bored now talking to you.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Those are those are the watch snobs.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
And that's a good point. I'd rather talk to someone
who knows about their watch than the price tag of
the watch.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You know, it's very easy to buy something. A lot
of people don't do enough research. They don't know what
they have. I think that's why Rolex.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Is so popular and so polarizing.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, people just I have a Rolex, Well what kind
of Rolex do you have? What do you know about
your Rolex? And they'll just be like, oh, it's black,
I got a black dial sub mariner. I think.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Those are the relics people I cannot stand. But I
like the rolics people that say, oh man, the dealer
made me wait and I finally got it and I
bought this. I had a dream of owning the sub
mariner Da da da or those are the guys I like.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Those are watch people, true watch people. Absolutely, it doesn't
have to be Rolex. It can be any brand.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
That is true. But maybe on that note, we should
wrap up this episode.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, I think we're getting a little bit long, so
I think you're right we should call it.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
But if you want, we can continue this conversation anytime. Dude.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
It sounds good.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
A right, it's nice talking to you again. And hey listeners,
I hope you enjoyed the show.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Thanks again for having me on, and we'll have to
do it again next.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Time, maybe from our hotel room at Detroit.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello Dave, good morning. Thanks for having me on. It's
been a while.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, it's been a while. I guess we've all been
very busy.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yes, we've all been busy doing various things personal, professional,
what have you.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
And winning pickleball tournaments.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
That's a new sport for me. But I'm enjoying myself. Yo.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Man, you won a tournament. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yes, we I enter a beginner's tournament and my partner
and I we won it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So was it a sponsor tournament? Was there a Rolex
timekeeper or a citizen or omega like the Olympics?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Unfortunately we are not at that level. So is a
beginner tournament? Like I said, as it was my first time,
so nothing fancy.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Is there a need for time keeping in pick a
ball or is it just like tennis? It's just there
for to be aware of the time.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It's very similar to tennis, So just basic time.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Okay, So it's not like you need to shoot off
a serve in five seconds or it's a fault or
anything like that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I don't believe. So no cool as far as I know, No,
not in that respect, just to countdown timer.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well maybe, hey, pickball is growing, So any watch companies
out there, here's a good opportunity to get into sport
without a competition for sponsorship. There you go. Maybe a
micro brand, Yeah they have a clock. I know sickles
have clocks. Oh no, Cicle is a big brand. They
might not be interested in pickleball, but I think Marathon
(02:18):
has a time piece. But hey man, it might be
an opportunity for a micro brand.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, most most definitely sponsorship is it's not popular right
now for for watch companies. So if you can slap
your brand logo on there, now's the time to do it.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
It'd probably be a good idea because it is growing.
Pickleball is everywhere, even when any travel I see people
convert tennis courts into pickleball courts.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I think it's the number one fastest growing sport in
North America.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, there you go, come on sponsorship. Hey, yeah, you
have like a Whitby Watch Company T shirt. If it
still fits you, you should wear that.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Hey, if they want they want a sponsor, that's not
a bad idea.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
They might throw you another T shirt. Who knows.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, anything would be appreciated. So what's on the agenda today, Dave?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
You know Detroit our show. I don't know if this
is gonna be airic right before or slightly after or
during the all show, but we have the Toronto Alive
show coming up. And you and I are car people
as well as watch people. So one of our favorite
topics is cars and watches. Let's let's talk about that.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I think that's a great topic. We've covered it once
in the past, but definitely would be welcome to revisit
that because they pretty much go hand in hand punintended.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
We did do a car and watch episode specifically, but
I know a lot of times some of the unique
time pieces we talked about watches usually also came into
the conversation. You always find these high end custom pieces
that actually, quite frankly, are more art pieces.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
In the past was different, but now we can talk
about what I've been seeing, how specific brands match with
specific car brands.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, so do you have something to talk about right now.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
If we're going to match car brands with watch bands,
I can talk about one that is probably most synonymous
and everyone would be on the same page and agree,
and that being Tesla, would be equivalent to an Apple.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I don't think there'd be any disagreement there as they're
both essentially American made or American designed, and very digital
from a technology standpoint, all based on Internet and practicality.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yes, it's interesting. It's very like you said, both have function.
Both take design seriously and it's like a modern approach
to design. So design again is function. It's more about,
let's say, for Tesla, for example, aerodynamics smart watch, it's
(05:44):
more about having that screen mm hmm right for display.
But with both the companies, I feel like they're lacking
at history because both are relatively you So they got
the design, they got the function, but I think they're missing.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I know what the word is.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
There's like a joy component. I want to say soul,
but soul is almost cliche.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
The word is emotion. As a driver, you would not
want to drive a Tesla. A Tesla is a point
A to B car, and so's an Apple watch. It
does everything for you, right, you don't need to do anything,
and Tesla it can drive by itself almost if you
(06:39):
get the full autonomous package, so it takes all the
joy out of driving as a driver. That's probably the
last vehicle you'd want to, you know, drive round on
a windy road on our bypass or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I'm probably gonna get hated by this, but you're right
it lacks any soul as well. And all those EV lovers,
I know you're gonna disagree, but that's okay. We can
agree to disagree.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Look, I like the idea EV. I would say it's
probably a good idea to own an EV maybe as
a second or third vehicle. Well, if it's a primary vehicle,
I'm gas all the way.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, I'm not opposed to EV myself. It's a completely
different topic. I just haven't purchased an EV. But you
wouldn't be buying it for a mountain pass. It would
be just for a to be a vehicle to get
your to and from work. And you want to save
some money in fossil fuels or the environment, whatever the
(07:47):
case may be, you're reasoning for buying one. But in
terms of driving we're talking about driving and watches. Yeah,
there's really not much fun in it.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Which EV's have you driven?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Oh? Have I driven Tesla? Has I driven a Model three? Model? Wise?
The Ford, Mustang, Marck E just not too bad? Have
I driven? I've been in Mercedes EQB.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh, what's about the Toronto Auto Show? Which which EV's
did you drive? I can't remember. I know we've both
driven a few down.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
There, including those brief test drives. I think I drove
a Heyende Kona EV. Right, we drove the Cadillac Lyric
that Yeah, Oh I love that one.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
A couple other ones I can't think of.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
When you go from EV to EV, especially within the
same company like Tesla to Tesla, did you feel like
any major difference or do they feel all the same inside?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You know what? The first generation Model threes and the
current model why they feel very similar. They're not very
well built, to be honest with you. They're American made.
They're very utilitarian. But the second generation Model three, which
is the high lend model, they definitely made some nice
(09:22):
changes on the interior where it lacks. Most driving dynamics
are decent, but it still feels very digital, which it
is so in that respect, it's very consistent but slightly
more modern at the same time. But one thing I
don't like about the new Tesla's, like the Highland and
(09:44):
the next generation model, why is that they've gotten rid
of those column stocks, the wipers and the signal lights. Oh,
they should bring those back.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So they're totally moving away from that driver's experience.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, completely, it's just like a joystick or a controller rather.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Oh, that's a shame.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
To try to remove all the fun out of driving.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Oh man. Now, moving away from Tesla and smart watches,
what would you say is the opposite side of that spectrum?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
The opposite for watches, I guess would be something like
an ap Oldemar Pague. How's that for opposite, Yes, so
something high end like that would have to go to.
Like I think a lot of people would agree with
a Rolls Royce or a Bentley Upper Cachet, high end
(10:50):
vehicle that's luxury based. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And the last time we talked about Rolls Royce and
bent I remember they had a pretty cool dash clock.
It was essentially a watchwinder and you could put a
watch in it. I forgot which.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Watch Bentley has always used Brightling.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I believe, yes, Bentley and Brightling. Was it the Bugatti
that used the Pamiani or I can't remember. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I don't know. Someone can fact check us and who
else used OURWC?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
The Mercedes S class, Yeah, the S classes use IWC. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I do like the fact that some vehicles will put
a non digital watch or clock in the vehicle.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I think that adds a lot of class and I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Think too many manufacturers done that. I think Infinity has
done that as well. From a Japanese perspective.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Infinity, Porsche, Mercedes. I think Chrysler liked the Chrysler three hundred.
I just like any company that does that really.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
M hm. Yeah, it shows that you know, they care
about the driver, not everything's digital. Yes, analog clocks still
exist and a lot of people still use them, But
when you're driving, the last thing you really want to
look at is an analog clock. It's really there, just
as that show piece.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well saying that when you're driving. Remember they had driver
watches mm hmm. I think I might have talked about
this one in the past. One I own is the Boulevar.
They have that driver's watch to Compytron. The display is
on the side, so apparently it's easier to read while
(12:50):
you're driving right. And at the same time, I still
don't know who came out with it first. At the
same time there was is Gerard Parago. They have a
very similar one just that probably ten or twenty times
(13:12):
the price tag.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
The casket that's it. Yeah, that's a great watch. Who
made that in the beginning? Was that a pulsar?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
See this is a debate. It could have been Bulova
or Gerard Parago. I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think that's a GP, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
With you, I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Now that's a driver's watch.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Seiko had one where the actual dial is tilted so
at the twelve o'clock position, what was normally twelve o'clock
would be.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Ten o'clock, ten and two.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, it's rotated, so now twelve was at two o'clock.
And I had an opportunity to talk to the owner
of Varrio and Vario makes one. You could buy them
currently and they have a model called the nine to
eighteen Pilot and they use a mechanical movement. Again, it's
(14:15):
a very vintage work looking watch and at the twelve
o'clock position is again to ten, and at two o'clock
is at twelve. The Crown's at two o'clock designed for
pilots to read the time easier, but also follows that
driver philosophy.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I just took a look at it. Now. That brings
me to one of my favorite watches of all time,
one I would love to own in my collection. You
know what that is?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Is that the Vastro.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
VC nineteen twenty one historic. Yes, I've won that watch
on my wrist and that feels like a million bucks.
I would love to own one of these, but there
so expensive, forty thousand dollars no things.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Oh geez, Well for five hundred and seventy Canadian you
could get the Varrio.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
There you go, there you go. Which you don't want
to break the bank, that's a good way to do it.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And those computrons Boulavah, if you want a computron instead
of a casquette, I think they're around the same price,
between four and six hundred.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, yeah, definitely not a bad idea. If you can't
afford the original, or you don't want to, or you
just can't. Most people just can't.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Like me, most people. Yeah, I can't go out and
buy a forty thousand VC.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Even if you could, you probably wouldn't. That's a lot
of money to spend on a time piece. Yes, I
can amount of money.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
What's going on with your watches? Are you? Are you
in the market? Do you have your eye on a
particular watch right now currently?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
No? I had some issues with my my tisso that
are still not rectified. So I'm not doing anything right now.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Oh, they haven't fixed the most recent problem.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
No, it's still not fixed. It's been back to watch
group three times now.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Oh man, But.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
That's another topic. I don't want to get into that.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Can I interest you in the Varrio.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
In the Virio? Maybe I'd have to take a closer
look at it.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Why I think they have a giveaway?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Okay, all right, sounds good.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
But the more I look at Varrio, maybe it's just
because we're talking about these cars. I am really interested
in this pilot watch.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, it's definitely very, very close to nineteen twenty one
in terms of aesthetic.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I always like these micro brands because once you talk
to the owner, which I did, and he really loves watches.
This is definitely not just for making money. It's a
passion m hm, So.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
It'd be nice.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I believe Singapore. Oh okay, And I say that because
I met him with a few other watch collectors from Asia.
So I might be getting it mixed up. But it
might be Singapore, Indonesia. I'm trying to think now, probably Singapore.
(17:53):
Let me see if I could find it.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh, somewhere in Asia. It doesn't matter. You don't have
to be specific. And he's getting back on topic. Let
me ask you what watch brand would and car company
would you match it up with.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I would match up Casio and.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Honda, Cassio and Honda.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Okay, Why I'm looking at Casios because you got affordable
to not affordable, like with the mister G shocks, right,
all right, it could get quite expensive, right Honda. If
you look at Honda, you got the affordable, like a
(18:36):
very affordable Honda, practical Honda to Accura specifically accurate NSX.
So as a watch company, they offer something for everyone.
Car company, they offer something for everyone. People love to
customize civics. Casio has the Casio which people love to modify.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Mm hmm. It's just.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I think they developed a fan base. Both Honda and
Cassio have done a really good job building that fan base,
so I think culturally, the impact they've had on the
general public is what makes them similar. You could be
a car fanatic and still buy a Honda, or you
(19:26):
could just be someone looking for a car from A
to B and bio Honda. You could be a watch
fanatic and enjoy a Cassio, or you could just be
someone looking for a ton piece and end up buying Casio.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, I'd have to agree with you. I was going
to go in that direction. Casio is Japanese, and same
with Hondas and Toyota's Mas and Nissans. I would group
all these together. Seiko would be more Toyota, I would say.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I was gonna say that too. Yeah, yeah, that was good.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
But they're all pretty much the same, all these Japanese cars.
Predominantly in the past, people modify them to hell, and
there's still lots of them on the road with you know,
I'm guilty of that too. Change and exhaust here do
some wheels. You know, we've all tinkered with stuff, and
a lot of Saikos and Cassios have been modeled as well,
(20:28):
from movements to cases to you know, watch bands, straps,
you name it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
So would you say changing the rims on your car
is similar to changing the strap on your watch?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah? Yeah, I would say, so that's pretty close. Wouldn't
you say it's easy to do and you just swap
it out and yeah, strap and tires and wheels definitely.
A movement would be the engine, right, that's the heart definitely,
(21:07):
And then you know if you're going to do any
body parts, and that would be like a case mod
or a dial change or hand movement.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Oh good point.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I'm just thinking. I'm giggling because I'm envisioning a Honda
Civic with a hood scoop and a large, big ass
rear wing. The obnoxious exhaust.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Right now brings us back to our youth.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I've never had a hood scoop. I never will.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Well, you did modify the crap l of your SKX
your Saiko.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yes I have, but it looks tasteful.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Mm hmm. I agree.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, compared to most car mods for the normal folks,
that is, most people will just throw on an obnoxiously
loud exhaust. I think that's the number first first mod.
Most people do make it louder.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, if you do the right exhaust, it doesn't get
too loud, and it does help with the top end.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Right potato potato. I don't think it helps all that much.
A little bit less pract pressure.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
They say, what one to two horsepower in the top end,
which is not noticeable, not really, But if you're a
numbers person, maybe.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yes, I think an ECU MOD would be the most
beneficial for power by far.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Absolutely. Do you have any other watches that you can
think of that compares nicely with a.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Brand we haven't talked about the elephant in the room,
the most popular brand, Rolex? What would you classify Rolex?
This can be very controversial.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Okay, maybe this will be the last watch we take
a look at. I have to say with Rolex in
the general public, there's a sense of luxury. But also
people use Rolex to help set their own personal goals
of success. They also use it as a symbol of
(23:51):
achieving goals. And when I look at that, for in
terms of a car, something that's success driven, something that
lends self to luxury. Also for many people who use
it as a a symbol of success for themselves, personal
success that they've made it. My feeling is a ferrari
(24:16):
ferrari me personally, as a as a as a watch fanatic,
I don't think they aligned. But when I talk to people,
they use a Ferrari as a symbol that they've made it,
and I feel that's why I choose Ferrari me personally,
I think Rolex lines up more with either high end
(24:42):
Mercedes or Portie. But there's a lot of people in
my life that are not car fanatics or watch fanatics,
and they both hold Rolex and Frari as this as
this monster landmark of a chief ment.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Okay, okay, no, no, I get where you're coming from.
Although I would I would have to disagree with you, okay,
and agree with your second point because role X nowadays
everybody has a Rolex like it's it's quite easily attainable
(25:24):
as opposed to a Ferrari. A lot of people have
used role Axes, which are not that expensive, and you
can get a Rolex for like ten K to sixty
seventy K so as opposed to a Ferrari which starts
at three hundred. So I don't think they align so
(25:46):
much brand wise.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Good point.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
So I would think Mercedes, like you know, most people,
if you have a Mercedes, look I'm making one hundred
K year. I can afford a Mercedes, and same with
a Rolex. It can be had if you make a
six figure salary. So I think they're they're pretty close
in that respect. A lot of people have them, even
(26:10):
if you're If you have a lot of money, you
probably have a Rolex and some higher end watches. But
if you have a Mercedes, you probably won't have a Ferrari.
You can't afford it.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
No, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
It's synonymous with status, symbol, number number one brand. You know,
a lot of people will rather have a role X
and an ap or or something higher end.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Right, you could sell drugs and also buy a Ferrari.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
True enough.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I think of those Miami vice days.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You have to sell different kinds of drugs to make money.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Though you're completely right.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Can you say that again? It's not often that you
agree with me. Whow Okay, it's been recorded, folks.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I like that it's recorded.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I put some thought into it, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I like how you said it. Right with the used
market especially makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
And now that cars have increased in price a lot
more than watches unless you go up to a high
end watches. You know, you're Richard meals and stupid stuff.
You know Jacob and Co. Where they start six figures
(27:45):
and up. Yeah, I think those are synonymous with you know,
a million dollar cars, your Bugattis and Cona's eggs. Yeah,
even some McLaren's high end Ferrari's, they're just stupid priced.
When you're at seven figures to buy a car, Like,
come on, is it really worth that much money.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
If you win a lot of Yes, it's amazing. When
I do see those cars on the road, I am
amazed that people are driving them. And as you said, like,
would you spend that much money on the car, Like
you must really love that car because I imagine to
(28:31):
have made that money must have been extremely difficult.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yes and no. Sometimes you know, with the technology these days,
there are a lot of rich crypto millionaires, and then
you have finance business people, people with companies, large companies.
They're worth a lot of money, so why not blow
some of it?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And this is proof that you and I hang out
with different people.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
They won't hang out with us. That's the difference.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
They're in a pickleball tournament with you.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Probably those people don't work, They travel for a living,
and they just travel from place to place, meet other socialites,
other rich people, take some meetings, take some calls, and
then that's about it. That's their life.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Oh man, I feel sorry for them. No, really, I'd
hate to be on a vacation with those people. Oh man,
I can't even have a coffee with those people. They
annoy me so much.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I don't think I haven't met anybody in that category
of wealth, but a lot of them, Yeah, the ones
that have the super yachts, the billionaires, and I don't think,
you know what, come to think of it, I don't
A lot of billionaires probably don't associate with millionaires because
(30:04):
just not on the same level.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Oh, that's a good point. I don't think I met billionaires.
They they might be more cool than millionaires. Yes, it's
the millionaires that, oh look at my this, Look at
my that, I drive you this, I drive it that.
I'm like, okay, okay, I'm bored now talking to you.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Those are those are the watch snobs.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
And that's a good point. I'd rather talk to someone
who knows about their watch than the price tag of
the watch.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You know, it's very easy to buy something. A lot
of people don't do enough research. They don't know what
they have. I think that's why Rolex.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Is so popular and so polarizing.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, people just I have a Rolex, Well what kind
of Rolex do you have? What do you know about
your Rolex? And they'll just be like, oh, it's black,
I got a black dial sub mariner. I think.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Those are the relics people I cannot stand. But I
like the rolics people that say, oh man, the dealer
made me wait and I finally got it and I
bought this. I had a dream of owning the sub
mariner Da da da or those are the guys I like.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Those are watch people, true watch people. Absolutely, it doesn't
have to be Rolex. It can be any brand.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
That is true. But maybe on that note, we should
wrap up this episode.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, I think we're getting a little bit long, so
I think you're right we should call it.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
But if you want, we can continue this conversation anytime. Dude.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
It sounds good.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
A right, it's nice talking to you again. And hey listeners,
I hope you enjoyed the show.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Thanks again for having me on, and we'll have to
do it again next.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Time, maybe from our hotel room at Detroit.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Okay, sounds good. Cool, have a great afternoon everyone,
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The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!