Bonus: Listener Emails #15

Hello there! This week we drop into your feed covering not two, not three four or five emails but ONE. Yes, you read correctly. One email. One wonderfully crafted and well-thought out email. In doing so, we share childhood histories (a wee glimpse), opinions on The Last of Us itself and what the world and mankind might look like in the event of... well, I guess y'all should listen to find out!  

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hello, everybody. It is uh yeah, it is it.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's Jack and this is wayfair and strangers, and as
always I'm joined by Andrew Why Hello, and Joel Joel Hello,
and Joel Why. Oh my gosh, I'm like quietly virtual
photography again and spending time with Joel. And it's I missed.

(00:53):
I just missed doing that so much. Now I'm back
in a place to where I'm doing that and happy
with it again. So yeah, and it's just a wonderful
thing spending time with my favorite non existent pixel person.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
You know, as a quick aside, you don't really know
what you got with virtual photography until it's gone. And
then I'm not that I take a lot of shots
of stuff, but occasionally you'll get to a point in
a game where that obviously the developer was like look
at this, and you're like, well, I'm going to take

(01:27):
a picture of this. Yeah, and man, Sony First parties
do it, right, you know, yes, I think probably, it's
hard to say. It's hard to say. I think I
might give it to Spider Man for like the best
photo mode interesting, but obviously all of the other Sony

(01:50):
First parties have a similar feature set, like God of
War is like Spider Man, which is like The Last
of Us, which is like Ratchet Clank, you know what
I'm saying, Like they're all sure, the best third party
photo mode that I've ever used, and it's not close,
and it might be better than Sony's was Cyberpunk, which

(02:12):
is bizarre. I have no idea why they went so
hard with their photo mode. I mean it's a great
looking game. It's a great looking game now right, sure,
but the photo mode is ludicrous insofar as like you
could choose different character poses and then slide the character

(02:33):
around in space, so like you can have them do
a lean and even if you're not up against the wall,
just slide them up against the wall. It's pretty rad,
and like put them on top of things, Like it's like, oh,
you're not supposed to be able to go up there,
but I'm going to pose my character and then just
slide them up onto this higher area or whatever. It's
really cool.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I go back and forth with the appreciation slash like
of poses because when certain games, when I play like
Horizon Zero don for instance, when I did photo mode,
part of that you can, yeah, you can move her around.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, and choose facial expressions and.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Stuff, yes, and that's fun for that game.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
But I think when it comes to the Last of
Us Part one and two, it would be very weird
because it's it's such a severe series and such a
serious series that if Ellie or Joel was like striking
a pose where they're giving me duck lips or something,
I would be like, ah, there's some fun.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
There's some fun to be had, you see.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I know, I know, I know, and I and even
with like when No Return came out and I haven't
played that in so long and I had so much
damn fun with it. But you know, you you continue
to go through the the I don't I don't want
to call it a map or levels, but like you
progress through and you unlock outfits and things like that.

(04:05):
So that's like gratuitous in the sense of these really
have no place some of these, you know. But I mean,
obviously the Space outfit is the fucking best, and I mean,
I don't know if anything tops that. But the other
stuff is just fun or silly er T shirts or
this that or the other, and it's just you know,

(04:28):
but it is a little distracting. So when I set
the character with that I'm like paying attention to that
more than like what I should be doing, like fighting
to the death.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
So yeah, it's just I think it's a scale.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
It's like a how much can we fuck around before
we find out?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, I don't know that's the Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know where the line is a game like Cyberpunk.
I'll just say this because you had reminded you doing
virtual photography. The game I just finished Star Wars Outlaws, Yeah,
has what I would describe as potentially the most bare
bones photo mode. It is barely You might as well

(05:08):
just pause the game and take a photo right, Like
you could swing the camera around and do like it's
like oh vignette exposure, field of view, and you can
move the camera up, down, forward, backward, that sort of
thing you're like, and you can hide your the main
character k and Nix or show them. I'm like, all right,

(05:32):
that's fine. Like I'm not trying to It's not going
to win any awards, is what I'll say. You know, Sure,
the worst photo mode ever is one of my favorite games,
and it really hurts my soul.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Can I guess?

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Go ahead?

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Mass effect?

Speaker 3 (05:50):
No, it doesn't even have a well Mass Effect does
have a photo mode, but again that game was the
remastered version has a photo mode in it. It's all
but I don't even count. It's like you guys just barely.
You threw us a bone and it's barely. I'm not
gonna this game isn't gonna win any awards for like,

(06:12):
you know how graphically great it looks. So no, not
that one. It's a more, it's a it was a
last year game. I'll give you a hint.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
All right, So twenty twenty four is it? Alan Wake?

Speaker 2 (06:24):
No?

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Alan Wake has an incredible photo mode.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Fuck, I'm zero.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Alan Wake was two years ago. That was a twenty
twenty three game.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Okay, twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Played for a long time.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
You played for a long time. You play a lot
of games for a long time.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Veil Guard No, although Vail Guard was not a great one.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
But it okay, I give up.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Here's the deal. It's the budget of the game versus
how much how good photo mode was. Was so desperate
it was Final Fantasy seven Rebirth. The photo mode is
it's absolute dogshit. The cam it can't even go everywhere. Like,
I'm like, you shouldn't even have put this in don't
do it.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, maybe they'll update it.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
They won't. They won't. They didn't update it for remake,
the first version of it. It's the same exact photo
mode from remake. And I'm like, this is terrible. I mean,
I guess if you you could get some really neat
action shots. There are great particle effects, but those are
things that happen in the game. It's not like I
don't know, I think of ones that delight me, Like

(07:27):
Ghost of Sushima delighted me. Like, yeah, it's like this
scene could really use something. And they're like what about
randomized falling cherry blossoms in the scene And you're like,
holy shit, and you're like you don't even have to
take a picture. You can actually just record a video
and now you have like this beautiful gift, you know.

(07:48):
So there's als, it's great. Just do something I don't
want to. Here's what I don't want to do. I
don't want to just slap the fucking logo of the
game and the bottom left corner. We know what game
it is. Guy.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I hate that I do that. I hate that. It's dorky.
That's the word for it's dorky. It's like it's almost
self aggrandizing actually to a point, because people are spending
time taking fucking pictures of your game. I'm talking to
the studios your game, of your game and sharing them

(08:23):
for free.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, for free.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
And you're gonna sit there and be like, let me
just slap the name of the game on there, just
in case people weren't fucking sure.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Seriously, you're gonna hate this because I hate it. H
Final Fantasy seven. They watermark every image at the bottom
right there. It literally says Final Fantasy seven rebirth. Oh no,
in white text over the bottom right corner. They did it,
and it's actually I think it's a square Enix thing
because it did it in Final Fantasy sixteen, also hate

(08:54):
so they put a little copyright square Enix Final Fantasy
you know what.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I would do it and no, well yeah, that is
the easiest thing. But just to just to be like
sign at the times, I would go into light room
or photoshop and go, hey, AI, remove this clone. Now
you don't even have to spend time clone stamping anymore.
Just here's here's my brush, and then AI is like,

(09:22):
I got you, fam and it's gone. That's the only
thing that I truly truly, truly love for AI is
when it comes to photography. I'm like, now this makes
my life a little easier.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
This is cinema.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, all right, let's uh, let's get to the email
because it is quite lengthy for this one.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
You might be listening. You might be like the email, yes, singular,
the email.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Email, because I imagine we are going to have quite
a lot to talk about this, because it's a very interesting.
We've never had an email from someone of this age group.
So I am Do you want to read or do
you want me to read it?

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'll read it if you want. It's long, so you.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Know, how about you read until you want to read
and then I'll take over. Or do you just want
me to reply?

Speaker 3 (10:16):
There's yeah, yeah, okay, sure a right, okay, okay, well
we'll just take it in chunks. Here we go. Okay.
This is from Judy H in the Year of Our Lord,
twenty twenty three October twenty fourth, October twenty fourth, twenty twenty.
It doesn't the dates, None of it matters anymore.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
It all matters.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Here we go. As a parenthetical, Judy Rights, I sent
this to you as an email a while back, but
I wasn't sure if you would prefer it here, So
there we go. Subject a child's perspective of an adult's
perspective of a child's perspective. Boy or boy, I just
got incepted. Here we go. Hello Jackie Andrew. My name

(10:59):
is Judy and as of the moment, I am sixteen
years old and an avid though late listener to your podcast.
Right now, I'm finishing the bill section of the podcast,
but I'm already in love, though I do miss Barb.
Who Who's this Barb? Everyone keeps talking about? Andrew was

(11:19):
a quick adjustment that made that was made easy by
your free flowing commentary with him. You both have me
muffling chuckles in public. Amazing. I love that I wanted
to email you because I've come to realize that my
perspective of the Last of Us isn't really what other
people experienced. I played the first Tilu during Quarantine at

(11:40):
Ellie's age.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Interesting. I played the game on a whim after asking
my brother what was good among our many games. I
quickly fell hard for the game and continue to have
a deep love for both games, though I know we
have different perspectives on the second game that isn't what
I'm here to talk about. And completely respect your personal opinion.
I wonder who Jude he could be referring.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
To I real quick, this is we don't have to
talk about We don't have to get into.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
No, no, I want to talk about the age, just
real quick, and the fact that Judy was thirteen slash
fourteen in twenty twenty, which is like they said, Ellie's age,
and like our daughter is going to be sixteen in
a month and a half or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
And it's just still hasn't played the last and she.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Still hasn't fucking playing, which is just believable, unacceptable.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
She's out, she's out of the family. Actually, I just
decided on the podcast right now.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
It's it's interesting though because and I'm kind of vamping
a little bit here, I'm trying to arrive to a
point because I've never considered what this game would play
like to someone Ellie's age, and I'm so excited for
you to because I have not read this email since
October of twenty twenty three, Okay, and now looking now,

(13:03):
we're in January of twenty twenty five, so Judy is
at least seventeen if not eighteen now, so I would
love to hear already, like before we even go through
the email, I'd love to hear if there has been
any changes returning to this game for Judy.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay, right off the.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Bat, it's exciting, So we throw it back to Judy, right, yeah,
and we'll answer it much sooner than this. Here we go.
Judy continues anyway, from the beginning, since we first met Ellie,
I experienced Tilu from Ellie's perspective. Then in Tilu Too,
I continued this perspective and found it a much easier transition,

(13:45):
and even found myself falling into Lev's perspective later in
the game. I have always seen Joel as a father
figure who I looked up to and always felt apologetic
when I would get him brutally killed by a clicker
or ripped a by a bloater. I got better after
playing through after play through number five, but I'm still
traumatized by the Jim, the hotel basement, the Stalker office,

(14:09):
and the rat King. Yeah. Same, amazing, all valid feelings
for those things. Poor coach. This perspective of the game
led me to be very angry, uncomfortable, and jumpy during
Winter and angry at Joel. At the end of the game.
Everything Ellie felt, I, to an extent, also felt even

(14:30):
when we were in Joel's perspective. It was like I
knew what she was thinking before Joel did. I still
to this day feel a deep connection to her. We
share a dream of going to space and a love
of stupid jokes. Sometimes I would stumble on the thought
that she was written by a man, because she feels
so real. I feel like I could meet her at

(14:51):
my school or at Scouts. Continuing, your podcast has brought
a mindful and engagingly different perspective on the Beloved. I'm
a new listener to podcasts in general, and your podcast
has certainly set high expectations for any I listened to
in the future. I love to share my opinions on
things I love, and have done so through my local

(15:13):
oh through my school newspaper, usually in movie reviews. That's awesome,
that's so And I equally love to hear others opinions
of the things that I love. In moderation. Yeah, I've
been intrigued by your insights on Bill, who I also
love as a character and have a particularly love for
the line you damn near broke my shooting arm. I've

(15:34):
quoted it a lot more than you would think. I
can't wait to hear your thoughts on other characters, such
as the brothers David and his posse Dina and Jesse.
We need not mention other characters besides lev ah D.
I love you. Recently, I was on exchange in Germany
and your podcast was a little gift from home since

(15:56):
I was also bred, bored, and brought up in Philly. Yes,
y us. I'll try to keep the last bit here quick,
since I know you guys probably don't have time to
read ted talk length emails from teenage girls when you
guys have your own to worry about back at home.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
You skipped over the parenthetical go Phillies.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Okay, I think we're in technically Go Birds season right now, but.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
You know you have a spring training starts next month too.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Pictures of catchers report. So boy boy, here we go,
go Phillies.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Let's get god Mustard. See I should have read this email,
you know, let me take over.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Okay, go Phillies, you got it, Go go Pills.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
So wow them fightings.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Thelst of Us has always been a great deal to me,
especially since it got me through quarantine and got me
and my brother as close as we are today. The
characters have always felt like real people, and each of
their deaths has weighed on me. Though the game has
hurt me, it has also brought me much joy in
scenes like the giraffe scene and the dinosaur museum. It's
given me my dream of developing video games and maybe

(17:01):
becoming a voice actor more reachable than an astronaut. Since
I suck at math, it's sae. It deepened my love
of storytelling and has led me to believe that interactive
games are the next step in storytelling evolution. To close
off this unnecessarily long email, I leave you with two
conversation topics, possibly for a future bonus episode, which I love.

(17:25):
It's cutting me off, so I'll send a part too.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
All right, let's take a break there real quick, Okay,
before we get to uh, the two conversational topics.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
So I feel apologetic.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Oh, and I want to explain because I've never no no, no, okay, no,
well no, I would say certain children beyond like younger
than a certain age should not listen to this because
of the language, but also the subject matter is a
little violent. And of course I'm not one of those
like violent video games breed violent children. No, it's how

(18:01):
you bring your children up that makes the difference. But
I've never stopped and considered their perspective of a thirteen
to sixteen year old playing this game, and it kind
of makes it like put oh see. And you know me,
when I get an idea in my head, it's very
hard for me not to run with it.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I might have to force Bella to.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Play this game Whoa, because I want to sit down
and talk with her, like almost to the point of
where I kind of want to interview Bella for a
podcast as like a special bonus or something like that.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, like a special the most special guest.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
But if I feel bad, you know, because I'm so
wrapped up in my strong opinion, strongly held sometimes that
I just never stopped in thought about the connections that
girls and boys people make with Ellie at that age,
and I think that that's a whole, completely different point

(19:00):
of view that's wildly unexplored on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Well, because we can't.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah, I mean I do that right. We would have
to literally have somebody of the perspective, you know, like
Judy would be our guest or you know, yeah, of
course obviously sure, I'm just saying, yeah, it's not even
that you would it is it's twofold. It is you
need a person with that perspective who is also willing
to share insight about it. So that's the that's the

(19:29):
double edged sword you're dealing with.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
So yeah, there are a lot of variables because it's
like you have to find someone who's that age to
not only play the game, but also to love it
on a very visceral level and then be able to
articulate that, whether through very good questions on our part
or just conversationally. And that's not the easiest thing to do.

(19:52):
Like it's easy for you and I because we are
older and we've whittled down what it is that we
love the most and what draw us in the most.
And I think, particularly in the case of our daughter,
she's still like, she loves music, she's a musician, she
enjoys running, she's on track. But at the same time,

(20:13):
there's the whole world is open, full of endless options
for her to discover new things and to fall in
love with new things. And like right now, it's been
Transformers for a very long time, and she's a big
nerd for that, and we absolutely love it. Would she
still translate that similar kind of love and passion from

(20:37):
Transformers into the Last of Us?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
So Yeah, it would just be very interesting to find
someone willing, maybe Judy, to sit down and talk about
this on a much more like back and forth level
than just yeah email and then two a year and
a half later, reply, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Are you still out there?

Speaker 1 (21:05):
It's fantastic. I love this so much.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
So, all right, we can go into the second part.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Here's part two of the same email. Was this submitted through.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Coffee our website because website.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Character limit on the comment boy, you know wherever you can?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
But Judy said they had sent this in via email,
and I have no record of this email. So now
I'm like, am I missing emails through like spam folders? Shit?

Speaker 3 (21:33):
No, I didn't go in there and delete random emails.
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
I sho.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Don't even know what the password to the account is.
All right, all right, yeah, here we go Part two.
Conversation number one. This has been much This has been
of much debate in the Last of US communities. What
specifically do you think the title means? Who are the
US Joel's generation of pre apocalyptic human or humanity as

(22:02):
a whole or our inner humanity? And how Joel and
Ellie start to lose theirs throughout the story, or maybe
you both have completely different ideas. Personally, my thought has
always been something along the lines of it being Joel's generation.
Should I read more? Do we want to tackle this?

Speaker 1 (22:21):
I want to tackle this, okay, because.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, I feel like we could. Yeah, we'll go on
a little bit. But let's let's well, what.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Are your initial thoughts, because you went back and reread
something just to what was holding you up?

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I guess no, I was actually just reading the beginning
of the next paragraph to make sure that not Judy
wasn't answering their own. But even if that's true, we
could still tackle this and then get to that or whatever. Okay, Yeah,
so it's interesting. You know, what a conundrum? What a conundrum?

(22:54):
The walking dead are the people that are alive?

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah? You know, to go because I have an answer.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Go ahead, Yeah, I would love to hear yours one.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
I think Judy presents quite a few options here that again,
I get tunnel vision and I don't fall down certain
rabbit holes not because I don't want to believe them,
but because I'm very dead set on what I feel
and in my eyes, or not even that my heart.
I always felt that the title of the Last of

(23:25):
Us represented Joel and Ellie's journey as a whole, so
not necessarily a generational thing, not an individual narrative necessarily,
or the larger picture of humanity itself. I think all
of those absolutely apply. If the title of the Last

(23:45):
of Us meant that it was Joel's generation, then I
would have bet or wagered anything that we would have
seen the twenty year gap, because that's where society, humanity,
that's where Joel's generation completely deteriorates. So that option, for me,
I automatically remove off the table. Not that it's not correct,

(24:09):
it very much could be. But because we are moving
forward in present day and then the future with Ellie
and then we see the absolute devastation of that, I
think it represents the last of two people from absolutely
just nowhere and nothing there. They're nobody cause there aren't

(24:32):
There aren't somebodies anymore in this world, Like, what are
the odds that he's in Boston at the same time
that this whole journey begins with the fireflies, and Ellie
has to uh, you know, agree to be a part
of this because she's the quote unquote cure and Joel
is stuck in a set of situations where Tess ends
up dying. Like everything had to perfectly fall into its

(24:57):
what is that game Plinko or whatever like it? Every
single fucking thing had to be hit for them to
end up on that journey together. And I know that
that's just the story of life mm hmm, every single
every single person that we have interacted with along with ourselves.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
People listening to this.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Podcast, every choice that your parents, your parents's parents, and
their parents' parents forever since the dawn of humanity has
led you to listening to this fucking podcast.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Whoah, that's trippy, like.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
And playing that game like everything had to coalesce to
that moment. And that's what I think the Last of
Us is. It represents just two people plucked out of
a reality, or you know, a microscope put onto these
two people. That could be any two people. It could
be you and I, It could be you and somebody

(25:52):
you've never met and won't for twenty years. It could
be any situation. But it's like lightning in a fucking
by and it's so rare, and it's the last of it,
like there's just nothing left when that's done. And that's
partially you know why the ending of part two was

(26:12):
just so depressing for me. But I don't think the
studio thinks of the title.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
As being that.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I would wager most people do not think that The
Last of Us represents that it could represent humanity at
large or the fireflies.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Interesting, yeah, but I think that, Yeah, that's that's where
I've always gone, which is why when I joked around
for years now, not joked around, Actually I've said what
I've said for years now that The Last of Us
is a lifestyle. It is because I literally eat, sleep,

(26:52):
and breathe the story of Joel and Ellie and what
happened to them, because that's what was presented to me.
And the US is those two people, and then the
people that slowly start to come into that world and
expand it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
But at the heart of it, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, Okay, that's great.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Do you think.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Boy tough hec to follow? I should have went first.
I tend to look at it through the lens a
little bit of what Judy had suggested about our inner humanity,
just taken at the face value, like the like what
makes you you? Yeah, and what you have to shed

(27:40):
or sacrifice to either do the right thing or the
wrong thing. So it is quite literally the last of you, Yeah,
the royal you. So you know what did they each
give up along the way? What did they lose? You know,
how much is left at the end of this journey?

(28:01):
You know it's the last It is quite literally the
last of us made it to the finish line. Yeah,
So that feels right to me. Yeah, in terms of
especially with the context of what we know about the
second game and potentially even a third game. You know,

(28:24):
that feels applicable to the world at large, that they're
the story of the world at large that they're telling.
And so that's I kind of like that, Like I'm
I never gave it, like too much deep thought until
this question. Like it's like, yes, it could mean a
lot of things, and you maybe ask me in a

(28:44):
week or a month, and my answer might vary a
little bit. You know, I did make that joke about
the Walking Dead, and it's you know when you tell
sometimes you tell people.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
That and they don't realize it and they're like, are.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
You kidding me? I thought it was the zombie. It's like, yes,
it is. It's a double. It's that old double untoned
er as they call it, where it works both ways.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
I think that it works both ways here for me
because I like what you're I agree with that, And
to be honest with you, I read humanity and not
inner humanity, which is why I didn't dive into that.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
But I do agree with you.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
I think both of it applies very nicely in my brain,
like it makes sense.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Yeah, how yeah that I think about the lie, right,
and how much did he lose just by telling that lie?
Sure and sticking to it for so long? Right, it's
the last of him, the last you know whatever. Yeah,
so yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
But mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
That's kind of where I that's kind of where I
come down on it.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I can see it, I feel it, I can.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Feel it all right. Here we go, Judy continues, and
I don't know if this is a continuation. I mean, well,
we're learning together everyone. Here we go. Yeah, we could
see that the generation that follows after Joel so Ellie,
Abby Love, Sam Riley et. Cetera. Seemed to lack a
few things that people who had grown up regularly had.

(30:17):
They lacked a sense of morality, though they seemed to
have it as children, once they got past a certain age,
we could see even our beloved Ellie lacked the sense
of normal morality or reasoning. She never really learned how
to have a real sit down conversation. This is, of
course understandable, but still worrying.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I just want to comment real quick due to your
writing is like excellent, m I one, and I love
that you went to Germany and we kept her talking.
It's just like, yeah, that's just like just everything about
this email is so fantastic and I love it. And
I'm so sorry that it took us forever to get
to it. Okay, when it comes to well, I wasn't done,

(30:58):
I'm sorry. Oh sorry, Yeah, I was taking a breath.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
When it comes to the sit down conversation and Ellie,
I agree, Ellie and we will talk extensively about this
in part two. Ellie never understood or was taught how
to process emotion and have meaningful conversations that can heal trauma.

(31:24):
Because I don't think Joel ever had that either he
definitely did not.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
He did not. I mean, if you look at his history,
he had.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
A child very early in life, presumably as a teenager,
probably didn't have a great home life as a result
of that, had to work himself to the bone, likely
just to support his child because he was a single parent.
We don't know what happened to Sarah's mom, and then

(31:55):
the fucking end of the world happens and he loses
his daughter on the same night. There is no world
in which Joel could reasonably and believably sit down across
from Ellie and just be like, let's talk about all
the people we killed and work through it together, like
it's not going to happen. So when you talk about

(32:17):
Ellie losing this moral compass, it never existed in the
first place.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Truly.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, not to call her an animal. She's not savage
or broken down in that way. She just doesn't have
the tools in her toolkit. And it makes it plausible
why she does what she does in part two. And
I know that I've complained about before like this isn't
the Ellie.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
That no, bah bah bah.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
But then when you zoom out, you can understand that
I just have trouble with things surrounding that, which we
will get to when we get to it.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
But anyway, not to make that a not to get
to in the weeds about part two. But one of
the things they do in that game that I think
is interesting is that they introduce some religious aspects into it, yeah,
which can historically has been used to skew morality one

(33:17):
way or the other as it serves the people in charge.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah, it's control.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, And so I find that to be interesting that
even in a post apocalypse, most often the stories that
we see in post apocalypse, right, yeah, tend to or
can focus on somebody trying to re establish religion. I
think about the Book of Eli as a great example
of that.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I think that's probably one of the most perfect examples
of that.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
The problem with re establishing a religion or belief a
belief system in the post apocalyptic world is that it's
always the most severe, extremest version of it, sure, because
they don't leave room for doubt. There's no room for doubt.
It's just either you have blind faith or you are done. Yes,

(34:10):
which is control. That's not religion or spirituality, that's control. No.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Oh, yeah, I completely understand I completely, and I am
agreeing with you. I'm just saying that.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yes, yes, of course, yes, of course naturally.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
So yeah, I agree also with the you need to
have some behaviors modeled for you, right, yes, if you're not,
if you're a person who has grown up and never
seen what would be an even example, I guess like
if you've never seen your parents cry, right sure, then
that would not be a thing that you That would

(34:46):
not be a behavior whatever your parents modeled would be
What how you would process a thing? You know? Sure?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I that's interesting though, because I I feel like we
are we have boomer parents what so you are very
you're not. It's it's very difficult to assess you sometimes,
especially you're a very private person.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
So I never want to like breach that, you know, like,
I don't want people to know that.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
You are an emotional person when it comes to loving
me and your daughter, but beyond that, you're very private
and your your range of emotion is usually just happiness
and laughter, and that's not really all that life is.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
And I know that you know that.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
I know, like everyone has struggles, and you are very
good at compartmentalizing things, and some people are not. You
come from a broken home with your with your parents
divorcing when you were pretty young, all things considered, and
you do not talk about that a lot that and
and why would you?

Speaker 1 (36:01):
I understand that. Why why would anyone want to talk
about that?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, on the flip side of that, I come from
parents who stayed together until my dad passed in twenty twenty,
And sometimes there are conversations now where you know, my
mom is very much like I wish I had done
some things differently, and I was unhappy with a lot
of not a lot, but with certain parts of my

(36:26):
marriage that maybe it shouldn't have progressed as long as
it did, or I should have done something about this,
or blah blah blah. You know, but she was of
the generation because my parents were, or my mom now
is slightly older than your parents, and just just it's
like four barely, Yeah, I think it's like four or

(36:46):
five years between my mom and your mom, and maybe like.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Two or three between my mom and your dad. But
it was enough.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
And the way that just based off of histories of
being you know and I have been together for almost
two decades.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
We've been around each other's family plenty, and.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
I've seen how your family is around each other and
how they deal with things and how they do not
deal with things, and the same applies to mine. And
my mom comes from parents who had too many kids,
and her dad had come back from war completely different
person World War Two, and he was severely cold, aloof

(37:27):
and abusive, and that leached into my mom's personality a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
She was never abusive.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
My mom was always very loving, but she has that
cold streak. And my dad was the warmest, most loving person,
but he had an explosive temper. So when you take
like the hot and cold elements and you put them together,
oh that's again when I'm looking at my own upbringing

(37:55):
under a microscope. And there was no fucking therapy. There
was no getting help, having medication, going to doctors to
talk about things. There was no sit down conversations where
I could just pour my heart out because they didn't
know what to do with that. My dad would either
get too mad and scream or he would get too

(38:16):
upset and scared, and my mom would just be very
You're fine, everything will be okay. Just get out of
your room and go outside and play, go for a walk,
you know, And I love. I love my mom. I'm
not trying to dismiss anything. And if she ever listens
to this, my god, it won't.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
She doesn't even know what a podcast is.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
She yes, she does, stop.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
It's just it's one of those things where it's like
I did not understand how to process emotions until much
later in life, because I would You remember when you
met me, I would just fly off the fucking handle.
And I still struggle with that sometimes of having a
nasty temper. And I will sit down with you and

(38:56):
just be like, can you please deal with this situation
because I.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Will end up in jail.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
You know what, It's funny. You're like, my dad has
an explosive my dad has a hot head, and my
mom was cold, and so you know what happened. And
it's like, and then there's Jackie who is a deep fried,
frozen turkey. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
You're not wrong because you you know me on every
level and I can absolutely be cold to people, but
I'm more on the explosive side and the very warm, loving.
I will give you the shirt off my back. You
know what I'm saying, And I think you can attest
to that.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
It's about it. We're all walking a tightrope in this life.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
You know, yes, yes, I guess, putting myself to kind
of loop it back to the email putting myself in
Ellie's shoes. While I didn't have an apocalypse to deal with,
bless growing up, I still didn't have those parental influences
of let's sit down and process this together. Sure, And
then as I grew up, you know, there were traumas

(39:59):
in my teenage years, there were traumas in my early
twenties and like, and none of that was ever dealt
with until probably the last ten years. And like I've
said before, I'm forty fucking one. I understand, is what
I'm saying. I understand Ellie being mad and even Judy
being mad at Joel.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
But now that I'm older, and I don't want to
pull the When you're older, you'll understand, kid, I don't
want to do that here.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, But when you're older, you can zoom out even
further and just be like, you know what, that was
my parents' first time. It's well, it still is my
mom's first time being alive and experiencing life, but it
was also my mom and dad's first time being parents
and not understanding something that they were never taught either.
So it's just a perpetual thing. And now that I'm

(40:48):
a mom and have been for almost sixteen years, have
I failed at certain times when emotional connection should have
been fortified.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (40:59):
But now but now I understand and I can recognize
those symptoms and those triggers and those warning signs and
just be like, we have to have a conversation and
it's not it's not angry, it's not tense, it's nothing,
and it's that's truly what healing means. Yeah, and you
don't understand it until you get there, but there is
a way to.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Get there done. That's what Joel says. God, I love it,
trust me.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
I do.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Sorry, I just like soap boxed my fucking a very
tiny yeah, piece of the pie of my childhood.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
But when we get back to Judy's email.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
You know, I'm sorry, and everyone listening you're probably like, show.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
The fuck up time. No, that's okay. I'm sure people
will be like, what what what were we even talking about?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Now?

Speaker 3 (41:51):
I've signed up for better help and not a sponsor,
and no better help.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
I've heard better hopes.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
More like it? Am I right?

Speaker 1 (42:00):
I don't know. So if people are receiving help through there,
then good for you.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I don't know anything. Back to Judy's email, yes, so
you know. Just to close the loop here, Ellie never
learned how to have to sit down conversation. Understandable but worrying.
It continues. We could see this in the way she
ran away to find the hospital instead of having one

(42:23):
more conversation with Joel. Due to the dialogue in the
second game, it seemed that they had never had another
conversation on the topic. There seemed to be nothing holding
her back besides Joel, who was obviously just holding on
to her as much as he could. He knew he
was losing her a little bit, and he was just
trying to avoid that at all costs.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
And this is this I can't wait to talk about
this particular part of the game because as and maybe
this is a tease and don't get on, don't get
mad at me, everyone, h But as much as Ellie
is inexperienced in life, her anger manifested in deep manipulation

(43:05):
in that scene, and two wrongs do not make it right,
my girl, and I can't wait to talk about that.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
But she doesn't even know that she doesn't have a
moral compass to understand.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
No, she has a sense of right and wrong. Sure,
and I think that at the her anger shrouded that
to the point of where ultimatums were put on the table.
But the but the ultimatum of you'll never see me
again is so fucking gutting to a man whose daughter

(43:35):
was murdered. Yeah, and that is deep manipulation. And she
might not realize it, but she knows that she's using
a tactic that will fucking work.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
We don't have to dig too far into it. I
am now coming to understand something about the second game,
not coming to understand, but just like wanted to verbalize it,
is that to swing back to the morality thing, I
think the situation is that it's not that there isn't morality.
It's just that everything is black or white and there

(44:05):
is no gray anymore. So in this world it is
a Yet it's binary, it's yes or no, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, it's kill or be killed.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Correct. So that's just something to think about as we
move into game two. Yeah, maybe we keep that in
the back burner, we keep that simmering a little bit.
And then, of course, how she holds no real way
of dealing with loss. With Riley, Tess and Sam, she
had something else to keep her mind on. Like Joel said,
they had to keep finding something to fight for, and

(44:38):
they did. But when Joel died, all she had was
the memory of Joel. There was nothing else keeping her
physically and mentally distracted. And of course a person in
the community won't like talking about as much. Abby. She
is from the same generation as Ellie, and we could
see the same exact things happening to her. There seemed

(44:58):
to be a loss of moral common sense. As the
generation continues, there will be less and less of it.
Fewer people from the past generation will have genuinely good
lessons to teach them. Eventually, humanity will crumble into a
moral less, self destructive existence. At the end of conversation one.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, that's oh god, this could be a fucking thesis, Judy, Hey,
this is I mean, this is literally a thesis on
the last of us. I absolutely love this and loth
I am to talk about Abby from a high from
a high level perspective, and dark it is.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yes, it is. Joel. You're not wrong, Judy, you are
not wrong.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
It is I'd say the experiences are a little bit different,
just from the familiarity that we have with Ellie and
her community in Jackson and Abby in her community with
the WLF. And I'm not saying that they are polarizing different.
I'm just I can't again something else that I am

(46:04):
I am actually excited.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
To talk about.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
But having a generation completely die out, I guess the
last of that generation, but not us.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
The interesting It is interesting to know what is again
this thematically, what Judy is doing here is creating a
nice feedback loop for herself because this, what she is
describing is also the title of the game, the last
of Us? Right, like? What is the last? Like? What

(46:37):
is left after this generation dies? Right? Then the next generation?
What is left? And it's fractional of yeah, what came before?

Speaker 2 (46:46):
But hold on, something just triggered or my brain out.
We'll lose it, uh, I think reading this line again,
humanity will crumble into a moral less, self destructive existence.
All of us can learn something from the generation before
for us. That doesn't necessarily mean that the lessons we
learn from the generations that have come before us are good. Sure,

(47:08):
sol Joel, you're giving them like the Stanky Stanky boot not.
I'm not saying that everything they can teach us is bad, No,
I'm not. There is a balance, though, and I think
that as generations progress, more good is happening than not.
You're one of those I would like to believe in

(47:31):
that at least the arc.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Of the universe swings towards good.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
I have to be because then, you know, every everything
just becomes too bleak. The world is a leak enough,
Why why am I going to make it worse for myself?
But yeah, which is a privilege, I'm aware of that.
But to think that, you know, Joel's generation dies off,
and then eventually Ellie's generation will die off, and then

(47:56):
it will be JJ's generation. And to think that all
the lessons that have come from those generations before are
completely eradicated and everything becomes a literal nightmare on planet Earth.
I don't believe that, because no matter what lessons we
are taught, every single human being minus you know, psychopaths

(48:20):
and people who are sociopaths, which I don't even think
that word is in use anymore in psychological terms or
psychiatric terms. But you have a moral compass, You know
what is inherently right, and you know what is inherently wrong.
It is a fucking choice. So if nothing else is
passed down from one generation to the next, be it

(48:40):
that of I don't have to walk down the streets
of Jackson just blowing people away with my shotgun because hmm,
my brain tells me that's wrong. You know what I'm saying, Like,
there is there is a scale in all of us,
and for some people it's I don't really fucking care,
and then for other people it's I fucking care too,

(49:00):
you know.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Sure, that's all I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
I'm not verbalizing it well enough because I want to
say so much about this email. Honestly, I feel like
we should do like a part two of this email.
But I don't think that it will all whittle down
to a self destructive existence because that compass, that code
is ingrained instinctually in human beings.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
We've had many opportunities for that to happen in actual history.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
And it never did, and it never did.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
You know, the West, the Wild West was eventually settled.
You know, That's what I always like to you know,
there was a point where you could go to Texas
or California and just shoot a bunch of people and
rob a bank and go try it now you know
you can't.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah, yeah, I mean people unfortunately still do. They try
the country.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
But I don't know how many people get away with
a bank robbery anymore. But you know, you know, you know,
in general, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
What I'm saying, I know what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Interesting, Yeah, very very very interesting.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Conversation. Part two is much more condensed, but still worth
having a go at. Sure, assuming what I have stated
will come true and the human race crumbles and the
virus wins, what life form do you think the fun
guy would move to next? Would it create its own

(50:29):
or would it just go to the next stage of
evolution and start to attack animals and more intense climates.
That's all I got.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Oh, this is like a fun, little footnote conversation. It's
not little, and by no means because you're talking Judy
is talking about every last human being on Earth being
corrupted or killed by this virus. So yeah, we're dealing
with hypotheticals right now, dark and almost taking on the
perspective of the fung guy it's self, which is so

(51:02):
fucking fun but terrifying because when you look at the
inspiration for the last of us on the fungi level,
and Cortyceps and its literal existence in rainforests and so
on and so forth.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
It just keeps going. Sure, but like a virus, it.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Inevitably kills its host without any treatment, and sometimes there
are not treatments for things, and.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
It does kill its hosts regardless.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
That's one of the things that I remember growing up
and learning about in high school and then in college
in biology courses and things like that, and I was
just like, the whole idea behind a virus is almost
it's just this like suicidal entity because it brings itself

(51:57):
to life as quick as it extinguishes itself.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
And that is.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Such a fucking doozy of a brain wave when you really,
when you dig deep into that, it's like this thing
exists to unlive itself, yes, in the hopes of spreading,
but it doesn't know necessarily that it will, but it tries,

(52:25):
and it will keep trying, try and shit and try
and shit. Like it's just so when it comes to
the last of us and cordyce EPs and fungus and
things like that, I think, I mean, evolution moves very slowly,
but in this case, when you're looking at it through
the video video game ass shit lens. I would just
assume eventually it would die off because it has nothing else,

(52:51):
because okay, of course, yeah, it's run its course, and
then you would end up with some sort of horizon
zero down situation where the Earth just becomes you know, renewed.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
One could dream, you know, one could dream. Here's what
I'm gonna say. Mm hmm, Let's get this thing to
jump to the great apes. You know. Oh god, I
want to see a gorilla clicker.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
That's fucking terrifying.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
I wanted I want it.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Okay, all right, so let's go. I'll do.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
I'll do.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
You want even further? What about oceanic life, No.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
It doesn't count. I don't think fungus. Saltwater and fungus.
I don't think those two things are simpatico they are.
It will not, It would not jump to a naturally
what would you hostile environment for itself? You know what
I'm saying. It would have to be it would be tiny, tiny, yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
But but but the human being was a hostile environment
for the CBI until it adapted.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Sure, I just don't know how our bodily temperatures.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
I just don't know how much of a Yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
It's just interesting to think about.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Yeah, I mean a shark, clicker, shark, apex, predator killer.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
There is mold with water.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
So I don't know what we're talking about about how
that's a hostile environment because I.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Don't think fungus fungus and mold or two. I don't know, Like,
I don't know what the differentiator is. I feel like
specific conditions have to be Again, I'm not a I'm
not a scientist. I am a dig This is back
it up.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I just googled can fungus grow in the ocean, and yes,
there is fungus fungus in the ocean.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Is it like at the floor of the ocean? Well, listen, okay.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Marine fungi are found in many marine habitats, including surface
waters found in sunlit waters, deep sea sediments found in
subsurface sediments and crusts, Arctic ice found in the Arctic
sea ice, coral reefs, sea grasses, driftwood, salt marshes, sandy beaches,
hydrothermal vents, which those are some of the hottest fucking

(54:58):
things on Earth, where basically the only alien creatures can
survive that. Yeah, yeah, so yes, it absolutely exists. So
when you said, I was like, so I don't that.
I agreed, but I was like, this doesn't seem right
to make.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
I just felt like salt water. You know, it's a cleansing.
It's a cleanse you know, generally, do you want yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Do you want me to go back? Or do you
want me to keep that in?

Speaker 3 (55:19):
No? You keep it in. I don't. You just showed it.
I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Here's
what I'll say that. I mean ocean. That's mercifully. It's
easy to avoid the ocean. You know, like in a
post apocalyptic situation, you're like, oh boy, everything in the
ocean is contaminated. It's like, oh, I'm just I'll just
never just never go past the beach and we're good there.

(55:42):
But we start getting in other stuff. Stuff that's like us, right.
I think about the stuff that we test things on
that are like, oh, this is like a human so
like you don't want to hear this, but like a pig,
like a pig could get cordyceps, rabbits, mice, they're all
kind of there. That's why we test on things like
that because they're similar to us. So it's not a
huge stretch to think that they could just that could

(56:05):
just jump to those things. And then obviously like the
Great Apes, that's you know, you know, I'm all for it.
You know, let's have a thing like Fallout where like
the something happens with Bears he kind of corceps bear.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
No, oh my god, like a Yaguay.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Go back, I mean, go back to the Last of
Us part one when they're at the University of Colorado.
There were monkeys on the loose monk, so it does
kind of assume that they were doing some tests.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
They were figuring out, they were trying to.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Figure it out, they were trying to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
And Outbreak we've all seen it.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Oh, Dustin Hoffman killed it in that movie.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
He literally killed he literally did. He was responsible for
the undoing of the virus. It's good spoilers for Outbreaking.
Bye Bola Bibola.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
No, that's a that's a very good movie.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
We also watched Contagion early in twenty two, which was like,
why are we fucking watching this?

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Or I watched it. I think we saw years ago.
Came Yeah, that was that was a tough movie. All
that to say, we have one. I think it would jump.
I know it would jump and jump and jump until
there was nothing else to jump.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
To, until equilibrium was reached. Remember that there is a
yin to every yang.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yes, so there's always something to kill something else.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
That's true, something would evolve at an even more rapid rate.
It's yes, you just it's crazy. Look no further than
some of the things that just happen in rainforests currently.
You know, it's nuts, Like this frog is poisonous to
the touch.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah, literally, and it's the most beautiful frog you'll ever see,
but if you touch it, you're dead within like minutes.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Yeah. And then but then it's predator who formerly like
then like a plant like a venus fly trap, Uh,
gains the ability to resis the poison and it's like,
now I eat that frog. It's like, what is happening?
So it's just crazy. Anyway. Judy ends the email with

(58:11):
a share that we should share. Actually, if Judy's okay withinn,
you're okay with it. Here is my review of the
HBO series. It'd be great if he gave it a read.
But I know you guys are busy and then we
get link to a pdf I imagine or a Google doc.
I hope you both have a lovely Oh, I hope
you both have a lovely day slash week slash month
slash year, Judy. And then ps, best of luck to

(58:34):
your daughter in high school. I know it's a tough
ride from beginning to end.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yes, well, I hope. I mean Judy might be almost
her final year. Yeah, she could be wrapping it up
in a couple of months. So good luck to you
if you have or if you are about.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
To finish your senior year.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Hey, if you finish your senior year, done, yeah, if
you're about to finish, they're done.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
So I do have the Google doc and we will
read that over on the last cast because it is
for HBO's the Last of Us and I guess I'm
just trying.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
To separate the classes.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
So Judy, I cannot sing your praises enough this. Yeah,
I truly, and you know me, I'm not blowing smoke.
I genuinely loved reading or having this email read to me.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Rather serenaded with this email.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Yeah, serenaded with knowledge and questions like interesting questions. So
thank you for sharing your perspective. Thank you for commentating
and telling us what Ellie means to you and just
what our podcast means to you as you were out
of the country and feeling alone and looking ahead to

(59:47):
the future of this show and what we're going to
talk about in part two and the more you know
the moral compass or the lack thereof, and what people experience,
and then inviting the conversation with trauma and.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Past child like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
It was so all over the place, but I think
like an identifiable chaos, it all made sense and reflected
itself and I fucking love that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
So yes, God, than it was just wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
I told you we were going to do this one
email today and that's exactly what we did. And I
am happy as a claim we did it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
If there's a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
If there's nothing else, I think that's our show for
this week because Andrew. I think I mentioned it on
our coffee show, but Andrew made a welcome bang and
asked turkey chili, and I am just sitting here smelling it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
So I'm gonna go downstairs and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Uh it's ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
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Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
They range from at minimum twenty minutes to sometimes like
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(01:02:07):
The Last of Us also returns, and uh yeah, next
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Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
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He came in on that one.

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Special effects.

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Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
So that's all I got and I'm gonna go and
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Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
So stay safe out there, Yes, stay safe out there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Drink your water, go out and get some fresh air
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Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
We'll catch you next week.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Bye bye bye bye bye now bye yeah bye bye
spends back Bye Yeah Shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
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