Bonus: Listener Emails #20

Back this week covering a few emails; warning, we talk about human decomposition and zombie lore a bit...in depth. But if that's not your thing, we did our best to soften the gag reflex! Beyond that, our song inserts continue with not one but TWO. Hint: Think Crime Scenes. ;) 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well, hello everybody. This is Wayfair and Strangers. I'm Jack,
and as always I'm joined by my wonderful, wonderful love
and co host Andrew.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hey, it's me a lot. I was going to go
way longer. I had taken a very deep breath. I
opted not to do that, though I appreciate probably hit
the let skip ahead ten seconds apart right there somewhere.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
I would imagine if okay, if I'm closing my eyes
and I'm putting myself into the position of a wayfarer
stranger's listener, they could be in their car, they could
be in their truck, they could be at work, they
could be anywhere, and they probably thought that the episode froze.
So this their brow might furrow as they look at

(01:21):
the time stamp and they're like, no, that's really still going.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
So you gave them that amazing. There's this other thing
that we and here for warned, is forearms. When I'm
playing with the squad on the PlayStation, so most recently
it's been a suicide squad for whatever reason. That's what
we're doing is free and sometimes fall guys, and sometimes
also what is the other game that I am currently oh,

(01:49):
paid a three which was a more recent PS plus game.
We just like to jump around and try different things.
You really do every one of those games and some
degree has like either because first of all, they're all online,
and then maybe also because they're not super well optimized.

(02:10):
There is like frame hitching that happens, so you get
a couple drop frames or whatever, and Suicide Squad it
happens enough that we all noted, So that's a net
thing because it all happens to all of us at
the same exact time. But what we have figured out
is if we do the meme you know, like my

(02:30):
piec you know, if we do that and we really
quickly like not press all the way in, but just
like ride the mute button on our headsets, that we
can reproduce it. So I'm gonna try it right here
with the mute button on my thing. So if I
go my piece, So that's.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
What we end up that that's what you do, that's
what you do.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
It always gets a laugh. It doesn't matter who initiates it.
We're always like, yep, we're all feeling this acutely. This
why do we play these games?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
That is fun?

Speaker 2 (03:11):
I do like that you have that so you can
try that with some of your friends, you know, just
ride the mute button on your headset and make it
sound like the call is dropping.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Or you could just drop the call. If it's a
call that you don't want to be a part of.
That's a possibility too.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
That's just that's just that's just good old fashioned self care.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yes, yes, it is.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
It's interesting. I can't connection. I can't but me, you have.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
To stop now. It's like giving me dissonance in my brain.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
So good?

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh my, Yeah, that's gonna be when I edit that,
I'm going to be like what happened?

Speaker 3 (03:50):
And then I'm going to be like, Okay, I remember.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
No, that's why I set it up. It's true because
maybe it'll come back later in the episode. We have
no idea.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
You just never know what's going to come up in
these episodes.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
It could be ten episodes from now thirty that.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
The hashtag Cozy Gang.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Hashtag cozy Gang, hashtag crip walk, Take, crip falk, Wait
a minute.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Take where are you saying? You read that?

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Well, didn't you say in the transcript you read something
about a crypt walk?

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
The fact we are we talking about? What do we
even talk about on this show.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Let's get to some emails because it's it's it's Sunday,
and uh Sunday Funday.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Sunday Funday.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
So this is this email covers quite a few episodes.
So Andrew are gonna Andrew and I are gonna switch
off between them. So I'm gonna start and then he's
going to take over, and you guys.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Will get the flow. It's it's it's fine.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
But this one is from wander On from November first,
twenty twenty four, and Wandern says, ooh, why is this
series so fucking go? Okay okay, episode twenty sixth. The
draft scene is definitely one of the pivotal moments that
comes to mind when you talk about Part one. Yes, yes, again,

(05:13):
I want to reiterate that I agree, I agree.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I just have a moment that.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Is slightly more pivotal for me. That's all okay. Not
that this isn't pivotal, that's all okay, okay. Yes, So continuing,
it's equivalent to Dina and Ellie's scene in Part two spoilers,
I will be screaming about.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
The take on me scene in Part two.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
I will also be screaming with you about that, because
that was one of the few moments I absolutely loved
of Part two.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
So of course there will be screams that will be scrumped.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
So, but it's this final moment between Joel and Ellie
before everything changes the last time, where things are quote okay,
after that moment, things will never be the same, and
so we get this beautiful, peaceful moment that they will
truly never know again. And then the quote it can't

(06:09):
be for nothing. It's heartbreaking, and I think y'all hit
the nail on the head with your analysis of this moment.
Joel knows whatever lays ahead won't be worth it, while
all Ellie sees is the hope. Ellie, despite all she's seen,
still has this naive and noble ideology. But Joel knows
this world is fucked, which ultimately is why he makes

(06:29):
the decision he makes. And of course I see you,
naughty dog with that foreshadowing quote. Can't escape your pass anyways,
who wants to go play golf?

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Oh no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
No no no, I shouldn't have read that. Yeah, by
say Joel's mad, He's mad at you for that wander
on anyway. Yeah, so I agree, there is quite a
bit of foreshadowing, even though I think Andrew and I
talked about a few times in the past, Naughty Dog

(07:03):
probably didn't know that there ever would be a Part two,
but I think subconsciously and probably consciously, they planned for
it in the event that it would happen. And I
think things like can Escape your Past work well isolated
on its own in part one, but also as part
of the story as a whole, including Part two. So

(07:26):
it's one of those Yeah, it's like wedging your bested,
it's hedging your bets. Hey, who knows, but this this
is a cool line, regardless of whether we pursue it further. Sure,
and it also just makes sense in the moment too
when that happens, like when Ellie hands him the picture
of him and Sarah, you know, and he just has

(07:47):
that kind of like realization, like well, you know, I
think that that's a very normal human moment. So while
it is foreshadowing, also on its own, it's still as
impact full in my opinion. And that's not I'm not
trying to deter or take anything away from Part two.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
I'm just adding much two cents as I do.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
But I have plenty of time for you to do that.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Quite quite a few thousand hours.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yes, no, oh okay, so uh you're on to.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Episode episode twenty seven, twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Nope, I would have died. That's how it opens, one
thousand times over my Nope, would have alerted all of
them to me. I would have run around screaming, yeating malasovs,
accidentally lighting myself a flame and becoming a lovely barbecue
for the infected. Also, I do love the ominous foreshadowing

(08:49):
of the Savage Starlight, and I mean you could say
that it was also foreshadowing Part two, because we do
lose both heroes, Joel literally and Ellie figuratively.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Also, I do.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Think there is something to discussed about Ellie choosing to
risk her life to save Joel despite being the only
possible person a.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Sure, uh okay toys.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Her yeah yeah, and oh you better say that.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Okay toys r us doctor.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Uh that's for Jerry obviously, and being upset with Joel
for taking that away from her. But I think a
big portion is her lack of choice and Joel first
making the choice for her, which he was right to do.
And I didn't say that, that's in the email and
then him lying about it, but that could be discussed shortly. Also,

(09:38):
in this part's all in caps here buck the fireflies
and they're toys r us Doctor.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yes, I agree, I can sure, and you know what,
I'm just gonna I'm gonna go right into episode twenty
eight because it just flows very nicely. Wanderon continues with
fucking fireflies. Anyways, Joel, you're doing amazing, sweetie. Insert gift here.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
I love that gift so much.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Also, even if Marlene feels bad, she doesn't care enough
about Ellie to stop everything from happening. She's failed Anna
from the beginning. And yeah, I emphasize a lot of
those words because I needed y'all to feel them. And
at the end of the day, I fully believe they
were willing to kill Ellie in an attempt in parentheses here,

(10:30):
attempt being the keyword, because once again toys r us
doctor to make a cure was also so no one
else could try. Having the cure is a power play
and they want the ultimate power. Sure, we can say
Marlene truly believed they could manufacture a cure, but how
fucking stupid could you be to kill the only person immune. Also,
if Marlene didn't die, she would have hunted them down. Shit,

(10:53):
if they hadn't shown up and turned back to Jackson.
I think it only it would only have been a
matter of time before Marlene sent someone to Jackson just
to see.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
But I digress. I want to talk the fuck about that.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Okay, Yes, I fully agree that at the end, at
the end of the day, it was a power play.
It was the if we can attain this, then we
will be the Fireflies trademark and everyone will be just
you know, under our heel essentially. I've stated quite a

(11:27):
few times I think they would weaponize it.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
I think they would turn it into.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Something that maybe, yeah, let one hundred million percent leverage,
a way to just have the upper hand for all
of time until someone else who is immune is taken
by another faction, and so on and so forth, and
so it is, and so it is. But I want

(11:52):
to talk primarily right now about Marlene and if Joel
hadn't killed her.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
I never and this is kind of wild.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
I never thought that Marlene would have willfully gone to
Jackson or done anything intentionally to try and find Joel
and Ellie. Because it had almost been a year, and
when you think back to the scene in the hospital
and the conversation that Joel and Marlene share. She was surprised,

(12:23):
like she couldn't believe that they had made it. And
even Joel, you know, it's just like it was all
her meaning all Ellie and her just will and drive
to see to this, to see this to the end,
whatever the end was.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
And so while I could.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Absolutely see Marlene putting feelers out, just being like, has
anyone seen X y Z? Has anybody you know? Is
there any trace of whatever? I don't necessarily know if
she would make a beeline for Jackson, but I don't know,
what do you think.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I don't think she would have done anything. Really, That's
I'm only I'm only basing that off of one, that conversation,
but two, and more importantly, all of the notes that
you pick up from her journals throughout the hospital, where
she says like she's already reeling over the loss of

(13:15):
so many of her men and just soldiers and whatnot.
So so many of them didn't make it. I can't
remember the exact numbers, but basically her force was decimated,
I would say, and I mean that in a literal
sense of like reduced by a factor of ten. Sure
the real meaning of the.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Word so.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
So it snobby. I love it.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
I beat it quite literally.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Ah, surely, surely.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Probably not.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
The greatest audio for our listeners was canceling headphones. It's
not going to stop me from doing it.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, I believe.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
I think her line of thought was I barely fucking
made it. Yeah, we as a group barely fucking made it.
There's no way that these two made it, and she
just I don't even think she would have assumed they
went to Jackson or even made it that far.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Interesting, So you would have just the story ended for her.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah, the story was over until they showed up. Okay,
So which that you.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Know, that's that's an interesting little thread to pull, you know,
if they had never if they just decided to stay
in Jackson, it's happily ever after, I don't think anybody
would have come looking for them.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's interesting though, like because I do agree for the
most part, but I could also see a world where,
let's just say that the remaining fireflies of what was
left even from being decimated, to use your word, if
she is just kind of turned loose or turned herself.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Loose and ends up just kind of moving.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
From I don't know, small settlement to small settle whatever
and ends.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Up in Jackson.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
I feel like she would inevitably ask someone a question,
maybe not intentionally, just as like a last ditch this
is all I have left?

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Is just like has any one like you know?

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Or if she ran into Tommy, Like if she went
to Jackson because she knew Tommy was there, because nothing
else was there in Salt Lake.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
City for her.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
So let's just say, you know, moving a little bit
forward from where I was just rambling, but let's just
say she leaves the hospital because she thinks, oh, it's
been a year or fifteen months whatever, and Joel and
Ellie haven't arrived. So I'm gonna go out on the
limb that they didn't fucking make it. It's not like

(15:55):
they didn't try. But luck is definitely not on anyone's
side in this world that we're living in. But I
know Tommy's probably still in Jackson. Let me go and
check him, check him out, and I run into him,
what do you You'd have to assume that her question
would be have you seen your brother? And if so,

(16:16):
when and did he have a little girl with him,
not even like.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
A lot of questions, lady, what are you a copy?

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Not either not ploying for not like digging for information?
Not a ploy just like I have nothing else left?
Why not just ask, you know, because I mean I
can't even tell you how many true crime stories that
I have ingested over the twenty thirty years that I've

(16:43):
been into that world. I guess where the simplest question
of like an offshoot is all the information someone needs
to like figure out this giant missing puzzle piece. So
I could see something like that happening if Joel Ellie
never d Yeah, I mean even.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
If that was even if that does transpire, Yeah, and
she finds out that they're alive, there is no they're like,
you know, they're under the Karen stewardship of Jackson.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Nothing.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Oh yeah, nothing would happen then, Yeah, And I couldn't
see her. I couldn't see her making that decision, like
going back to the tapes, the recorded tapes that you
mentioned and the conversations that we were privy to between
part one and Part two, and her asking the question,

(17:36):
you know, if it was your daughter, what would you do,
because clearly she was struggling obviously not fuck enough to be.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
A good person at all.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
But wow, wowie, wow.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Everyone knows how I feel about Marlene. I don't care.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
I could see her maybe having a quick moment where
it's like I wonder if anyone's left at the hospital,
but I think she wouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Stupid enough to do anything about it.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
And like Wandern said earlier in this email, how fucking
stupid do you have to be to believe that killing
the one and only person who's immune is the smartest play?
And that really is That's what it comes down to.
It's fucking idiocy that they were going to do that
on multiple levels. But even if you want to strip
all the emotion out of it, the top and foremost

(18:23):
one of this is the only person that we've ever
known to be immune to this, let's kill her stupid.
So I don't know, I don't know. Marlene is stupid,
So who cares? And I don't mean that towards you, Wanderon.
I mean that towards Marlene. And just like you know,
all this kind of spiraling off into different directions and
kind of like au Marlene.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Au but sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Okay, we're on twenty nine YEP episode twenty nine, Not
Gonna Lie. I love this epilogue. It's one of these
that stands so well as a game ending. But you
could see the seeds of Part two. You know that
lie at the end will be the thing that haunts them,
but also Joel's you keep finding something to fight for.
I have a lot of thoughts on this statement about

(19:09):
how this line gets twisted and lost in Part two,
but that's for a Part two discussion. I can't wait,
and I think Ellie's I'm Still waiting for My Turn
is so devastating and tells us so much about Ellie
and what the survivor's guilt will mean going forward. And
I do think it's heartbreaking that Joel and Ellie never
talk about Riley truly, or a lot of things that

(19:30):
they may have talked about had this line not occurred,
and instead we watch that chasm that forms between them,
and how that chasm grows and grows until Joel finally
tells the truth and then they just don't talk for
two years.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
It's shattering.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Granted, there was no winning the moment Ellie asked Joel
to swear he was telling the truth.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I want to pick out this chasm that's born of
undiscussed truth and not just because of the lie. But
I think Wanderon brings a really great point up here
about how for us Joel and Ellie never talked about

(20:14):
Riley and what happened.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
You know, we got that almost poetic glimpse into what happened,
and Ellie using Riley's poetic words of let's just lose
our minds, you know whatever. But I wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
See this goes off into au again a little bit,
because it's like, did Joel and Ellie ever have a
discussion ever again about Riley?

Speaker 3 (20:45):
But it was all quote off screen because they did have.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
A few years together, not quite three years, not just two,
where things were still good enough that they were talking.
Like the birthday gift probably took place her sixteenth birthday, maybe, yeah,
maybe fifteen if she was born in summer. Let's say

(21:11):
they made it to Jackson in spring, which they did
she was still fourteen, and then settled in Jackson, and
maybe that summer when she turned fifteen, that's when they
had the birthday gift, because she was still very young
looking in that sequence. So yeah, let's say her fifteenth birthday,
so things were still okay, and it didn't really break

(21:32):
down until she was about seventeen, So they had from
fourteen to seventeen, with the chasm growing probably exponentially wider
in that last year. But I would like to think
that they had conversations that weren't just let me teach
you how to play guitar. Why don't you come over?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
There had to be more than that, because it would
be kind of strained not to.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, they're definitely living together, probably in the same house.
They're not like going to toss her in with like
some stranger, right, Well.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
No, remember she lives in his garage.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, they're living together.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
You know, they had the same job at some point
where they were like both doing the rotation watches and
guard duty and stuff like that. So it's not like
he worked in the kitchen and she was like out
there cleaning up the infected or anything, you know, So
there was lots of time to talk.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, And it would just break my heart to think
that they never had a serious or emotional conversation after
the one that she made him swear that he was
telling the truth. I don't think that's plausible, and I
don't think that's sustainable for relationships because you can never
really feel comfortable around someone if you're just not talking.

(22:56):
That's not how it works. And I'm not saying I
disagree with anything wander On is saying here. I'm just
taking it that extra step in that. I hope Riley
came up again. I hope even Tess was talked about
again at some point. I hope for these things even
though we did not see them.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
That's all.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
The show may make that canon maybe because in a show,
you it's just bad storytelling to jump three four years. Yeah,
So if we don't see any of that in between stuff,
it works well in the context of the game because

(23:40):
some of these things are flashbacks, so we still but
also we still there are, like what we're discussing right now,
there are still lingering questions about the nature of their relationship.
But in the context of a show to make it
make sense, I feel like they have to show a
eddier decline of trust time.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
And so.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
You can I mean, it's a total they can totally
shorthand it kind of like the game did, where it's like, oh,
here's one here's one moment where things were great, and
then here's the other moment where Ellie went to the
hospital to check stuff out and Joel Meetzer and then
there's a big blowout fight and then they are where
we are today.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
I just think that.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
You would probably want a little bit more from that
in terms of like character development in the show, in
the show specifically.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Yeah, so maybe you know.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Again, I don't want to talk too much about the
show because we have the last cast for that. But
when you talk about these moments that are unseen in
a video game, m it's easy to pass time in
a video game without even realizing it because you're doing this,
that and the other and so on and so forth.
But with a TV show, if you are missing these
very deep connective tissue scenes, the impact of someone's death

(25:06):
or someone's choices will be far less greater than intended
by the creators in this franchise.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
So it just wouldn't work. People would be like, oh, oh, okay,
now he's dead.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
And not to diminish either profession, yeah whatsoever. No, yeah,
but it's easier to shoot these things with camera and
crew and stuff than it is to like voice it
and then completely animate it from scratch and create these
new environments. Like game development is hard. We have seen it. Yeah,

(25:43):
every game seems like a goddamn miracle that comes out.
So yeah, whereas the world of film and television is
a little bit more predictable, it's a little bit more sure.
It is chaos, but there is a level of control
and consistency that exists. And so my thought is, because

(26:04):
Neil is still very much involved, he was like, maybe
this is and also with the guiding hand of Craig,
my thought is like, if you could do it over again,
blank slate, is there any other details that you would
want to add?

Speaker 4 (26:18):
You know.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
So again it's from the same mind. And for whatever reason,
those things that we're talking about could have existed or
been storyboarded, but they simply ran out of time or
budget or resources, and they're like, we can't do it,
can't do it.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Aims are expensive as shit.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
So well, I'm remember the campfire scene that they were
able to put into the show. It was a little
bit different in the show than what the actual artwork
described or depicted of Joel and Ellie sitting around a campfire,
laughing their asses off about something.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
And we talked about.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
That story about how Tory Baker had that picture folded
up in his wall the entire time he did the
shoot Part one, and I'm hoping.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
That was true.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Obviously we never know, but he always believed that that
would be the ultimate goal to live, to have the
characters live to a point to reach that I guess,
closeness and understanding with one another. And while it did
happen in the show, I felt like it was a
little too hollow and too early on. But it is
what it is, you know, And that was again I

(27:26):
still enjoyed it, but it was it felt too fast,
like it was. It just didn't feel right for that moment.
But that's another example of that where they had storyboarded,
they had this idea, but ultimately it couldn't happen. And
you know, I mean, that's just one of the one

(27:49):
of the bigger things that I'm sad about that doesn't
exist in Part one. But again, it's my favorite game,
so it's not like I'm truly missing anything. But anyway, Yes,
so we're onto episode thirty from wander On and they
say the Last of Us is a lifestyle that's consumed all.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
I agree it would have been awesome.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Sorry weird, weird, Oh my god. The next line, I
agree it would have been awesome to see the campfire scene.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're talking about that right now. We
were literally we were talking about that just moments ago.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Crazy get you, I know, And honestly I did not
read ahead. I promise I never do that because it
confuses my brain. Also, ah, yes, Sundown promises.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
The hell's that? Oh my god? Who what? Huh huh.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
It's been great watching you.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
I guess listening would be correct grow and become such
an amazing show and I'm looking forward for all yet
to come.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah, thank you, I god, damn right.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, this has been such a It really is just
like one of my favorite things to do every single week.
And getting the chance to just like sit down with
Andrew and talk about the thing that I love the
most and just share it with all of you, and
especially in your own words, and talk back and forth
like we just did with these emails breaking down the episodes.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
It's just awesome. So hell yes, yes, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
We got one final in response to listener email number eight,
which God knows which one we're on now three hundred.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
This is twenty.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
We're in the hundreds easily. Now wander On begins. Duck
Chaos is absolutely amazing. I agree. I still have that
wavefile on my computer somewhere. I will dig it out
and it will be available on our next episode.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
I think they were talking about the ducks that our
family hid for us in the house while we were away.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Oh, I thought we were talking about the one hundred
duck size horses one or ten horse sized ducks or whatever.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
I thought that was the thing. I mean, here we go.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
I guess it could apply to both.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Either Duck Chaos. I still have two of those ducks
right on my desk right now. Actually, if that's what
we're referring to, Yeah, holy shit, that's an awesome Easter egg.
I don't know what that means. We should go back
to listener email numberage. That's okay, I agree it was
an awesome Easter egg.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yes, all right.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
I will always love that we got Ashley as Ellie's mom.
It's beautiful and perfect and so full circle A Part two.
I love the game so much, but damn if it
didn't destroy me and leave me feeling like a shell
of a human after play Jesus your gluttons for punishment
you but it's so good too. I am very excited

(30:43):
for the podcast to cover part two and to hear
your take and to divulge into the game.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
It's gonna be fun.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Remember you said that?

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Is it gonna be fun? Who knows? You guys are
absolutely amazing.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
I love this podcast so much and I'm looking forward
to all yet to come.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Wander On.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Thank you, wander On, wonder On, you are amazing. Uh
and we love you, and thank you for just being
here for so long and supporting the podcast and sending
us such awesome emails and breaking down the individual episodes
like what God, I love that.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
So it's just so good.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
So yeah, I am going to uh let's take this
next one from Jess R from October twenty nine, twenty
twenty four.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
So we're going back three days from Wanderon's.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah three days just three days quick, three days?

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Hi you too.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Today has been a particularly terrible day for me. Oh no,
And when I'm feeling down, I try to spread a
little positivity to rebel against the blues. I would like
you too to know that when your last episode dropped,
the joy it brought me was just enough to be
able to interrupt a re emergence of some OCD symptoms
triggered by a bad interview.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Oh oh lord, I'm they don't deserve you, Jess.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I'm sorry interviews can be First of all, they're so
fucking nerve wracking. And but and here's the thing I'm
gonna I'm gonna turn this on a positive. Well, first,
I have to just do the thing that I do
and just fuck those people for making you triggered, or
for making your OCD symptoms triggered by dickheads. So they

(32:26):
didn't deserve you unless you do work for them now,
in which case they still don't deserve you. But right, yeah, demand.
But I'm gonna say something that Andrew has always said
to me whenever I've interviewed and been just completely.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Racked with anxiety.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
And it helped so much because the last time that
I interviewed for a job, I legitimately wasn't nervous because
I had my Andrew in my brain.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
A do you remember?

Speaker 3 (32:56):
He doesn't remember, so once upon.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
Still believe it.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
For the record, whatever I'm about, whatever knowledge past Andrew
is about to drop current day, Andrew probably still believes it.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Oh, yes, forgot what the crux of the message was.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
It's so simple, though, but people forget about this when
they're interviewing for a job because you know, listen, we
don't know everyone's circumstance.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
They don't know our circumstances.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Like sometimes like you desperately need a job, you desperately
need a new drop job, like there are there's no
room for another, try another interview there.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
It just has to be now.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
And trust me, we understand the severity of that. But
Andrew once upon a time before he started working for himself,
I think eight years ago.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Now, I think it's been going on.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Seven years eight It's can be eight in March or
something April.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, so you know he's been he's been running his
own business, in his own work and contract itself boss.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yes, for a while now.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
But when he used to go into work five days
a week, he would sometimes be involved in the interviewing
process of new hires or potential new hires.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
And you enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
And I mean like if I ever interviewed at a
company where there was an Andrew, I would just be like,
this is the best, Like I hope that I get
a job better because you are so disarming and approachful.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Is that a word approachable?

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Approachable?

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Approachable?

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, I was like, I knew that wasn't right.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
I mean, I mean, I'm with you, I'm with you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
So you said to me when I was feeling the nerves,
when I was having the Sunday scaries or the pre
interview scaries, you were just like Jack, You're also interviewing
them because you have the option to say, no, this
is not a right fit for me.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
I want a higher salary.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
I deserve a higher salary, X Y Z, and and
that simple fucking sentence completely change the.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Way that I see job interviews.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
So now in the future, will I have some butterflies
in the stomach if I ever interview for a different
job again? Absolutely, But at the same time, you are
also like, you're in the hot seat, but so are they.
That's basically what Andrew was saying. So if anyone's listening
to this and you're like in the market for a
new job or this, that or the other, and it's
just this agonizingly stressful process, just remember that not all

(35:27):
the balls are in their fucking court, right.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
The question you should ask I mean maybe maybe out loud,
but maybe not. Also is like, why should I work
for you? Yeah, that's the question. It's a date. You're
on a date, yes, during an interview if you think
about it that way, and then sometimes you're like, uh,
hard pass and that's how some dates end, yes, which
is you know that's unfortunate for some people, but hey,

(35:52):
you gotta look out for a number one exactly. Definitely
believe that. I tell people that all the.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Time, and it's so it's so helpful.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
I have to remember that I phrased it that way.
But yes, that's good.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah. So you know, if obviously this is back back Bach, this.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Is back in octob This is back in October, this
is Sebastian. Yeah, I knew where you were going.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, so this is back in October.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
So hopefully you have a job by now, and you
interviewed somewhere else where they did not trigger any un
toured and undeserving episodes in you, because that's completely.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Unnecessary and fuck that noise.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, but if not, and you're still looking, just remember
that that you also you hold the cards too, and
that gives you just a little bit of power and
taking that power into an interview where most people feel
that power imbalance. Oh, it levels the playing field and
it makes everything so much better. So anyway, oh yeah, yeah, yea,

(36:53):
so continuing. Both of you have such a healthy energy,
and to hear the banter reminds me of my spouse, who,
unfortunate is on the opposite schedule than me, so we
don't get to see each other very often. Oh I
hate the ships passing in the midnight relationship stuff. I
know that, like sometimes we've had to endure that every
once in a while and it just sucks. So I'm

(37:16):
glad that Andrew and I can just kind of bring
that good energy to your life. I'm not done the paragraph,
but I just needed to say that. So I don't
say this by any means to put additional pressure on
episode drops, So please don't take it that way. In fact,
you could be consistently inconsistent till the end of time
and I would be just as happy each time an
episode dropped. I guess I just wanted to send over

(37:36):
a message of encouragement to keep at it and thank
you for that, because sometimes the pressure. The pressure was
a little crippling last year, and it was mostly me
putting it on my own shoulders.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
However, that's why we didn't get to watch True Detective. Yes,
exactly why show. I'm thinking that might have been pre show. Yeah,
we're watching True Detective. If we just started a night
country everyone, now you're all caught up.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yes, oh we talked about that on our pre show audio.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Yeah, just a year late. Over a year late. It's fine, it's.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Fine, and it's amazing. No spoilers.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Even though we could be looked at as quote just
a podcast about video game, the level of detail and
thought you provide serves as a fantastic distraction against the
curveballs life throws at us. Sometimes, you guys made a
small ripple just by being authentically you, and I'm trying
to create some small ripples myself for others in case
it brightens up their day.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yes, okay, that made me emotional.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Yes, you know what I say to that, not me?
Now say done? Now say done.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yes, listen, life is really, really, really, really really fucking
hard sometimes, so to know that we bring joy is
pretty fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
And bring some joy as soon as we wrap up
this email. But don't worry, there's little we got a
couple paragraphs left. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
I know, Wait, what do you mean you're bringing jo?

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it, I said,
don't worry about it. We got a couple of paragraphs left,
don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
So okay, anyways, sorry about that emotional. I literally have
tears rolling down my face and I have makeup on today,
so I probably look like a fright. But anyways, now
for some teelu food for thought. You two had once
posed the question of environment affecting infected progression. I had
the thought that maybe infected could only progress to bloaters

(39:38):
if they were kept in a hot and human environment,
as this is what a decaying body would do naturally.
Also getting some inspiration from the Walking Dead, do you
think removing the jaws of infected and chaining them up
could serve a purpose as they would be better controlled
or would they all just progress to larger, stronger forms
over time, rendering change useless? And what purpose could each

(40:02):
subtypes of infected?

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Serf?

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Oh, this is a lot, So okay, you're gonna deal
with the walking dead stuff because I've never watched that.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
I can't handle it. But I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
I think bloaters, shit and shamblers now from part two.
I think that they really can only exist in hot, humid,
and moist climates, which is why we are introduced to
shamblers in Seattle because of all the moisture out there.
Up that bitch and you know the bloater from the

(40:36):
gym who was locked away inside of.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
A room with zero ventilation.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
It's literally where we all would toss the fucking dodgeballs
when we were in grade school as kids, and that
room was just stank.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
City pretty pretty musty in there, like it.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Was not great.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
So my man getting trapped in there, he was destined
to be bloater bloater, So I do. I think it's
definitely a temperature thing. I don't think that if you
went to the North Pole there would be bloaters or shamblers.
I just don't think that they could exist or progress
to that level because colder, frigid, freezing temperatures slows down

(41:18):
organic growth, just as a general rule of thumb. So yeah,
that's that's my contribution to that. Now you can take
over with the walking dead stuff because.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
I don't know nothing. I mean, I have opinions about
chains and stuff. But we'll get to that.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
I have a bit wow. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
There is an iconic image in the Walking Dead franchise
of a character named Michon.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I do know her.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
She do know her. Fantastic actress. You would.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
You would know her from Black Panther. Potentially you might
know her from the later Avengers movies as well. When
she first appears, and keep in mind I had read
the comics before I had seen it on the show.
When she first appears in tow, she has two walkers

(42:09):
chained to her that effectively look like pets. Oh god,
and she has removed their lower jaws.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Oh shit.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
And so they became docile because they couldn't infect anymore,
they couldn't eat, and so they no longer attacked. They
would just walk alongside her.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
I mean, how if they're see zombie lore is just
fucking weird.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Do zombies need to eat?

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (42:35):
No?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Are they alive if they're dead, If they're undead, I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
What do they eat for? Is the question?

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Sure, you know they don't need to digest anything for
energy they're undead.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
I won't spoil it. But the two zombies that Mishone
has with her. Two Walkers are very important people in
her life from the before times. Oh that she that
she you know, takes with her on her adventures and
uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
In the show and in the book, she they died
became zombies and like many people, she couldn't cope with that,
and she wanted to bring them with her through this world.
And she removed their jaws and they became docile.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Kind of interesting.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
That is interesting.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
So then it begs the question of is there a
way to make last of us infected docile?

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I don't think so. I don't know, because it doesn't
make a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, I mean, could you could remove their jaws? But
then I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
The House and the Wise don't super matter. I don't think.
It's just great imagery when she appears in the show
and in the comic, and she is she has two
chained zombies in toe that are not attacking her, and
she's got a sword. This woman is the woman of
my dreams.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
I feel like a lot of people thought that when
they saw Michelm for.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
The first time.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Oh, I'm looking at the picture.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Like, yeah, it's pretty wild. I mean, it's beautiful imagery.
I feel like they. I feel like Kirkman probably just
started with like this would be cool as shit.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
How do we get here?

Speaker 5 (44:20):
Right?

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Which is some fine with that? Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
There were Maybe it was an Egan storyline in The
Walking Dead as well, where they used the undead as protection.
So they would have the entrance to their space behind
a fence. Then behind that fence would be hundreds of walkers.
Then there'd be another fence where they lived, and so

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they were far enough away inside of a building where
the walkers didn't try to actively knock this fence down.
But when someone would show up to this compound and
they saw all these walkers, they'd be like, fuck that,
I'm not going in there. I'm like, that's great. You
could in some you know, it's a dangerous game you'd
be playing. But if you wanted to wrangle up a

(45:11):
bunch of the infected in the Last of Us and
use them as a deterrent, that might be something. Sure,
oh you know what it was.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
I might be missing.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
I might be conflating two different pieces of zombie lure.
I think in The Walking Dead they had like basically
think of like a prison yard. You know how you
would have for potentially like the really dangerous. Sure, you
get your time outside, but you are attached to a
pole that has a very small radius that you can walk.

(45:45):
Think of the Newest Halloween movie where Michael Myers was
chained to the center of a circle that don't step
inside this circle because there he could reach you.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
They would just filled that entire yard with zombies chained
to that center or column. So if you could try
to cross this yard if you want, Yeah, but you know,
I don't know, it's a little treacherous.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
That's kind of I mean they did, remember they had
the two clickers chained in part two.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah, so I'm thinking you can use them as the
rattlers also the ratlers.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
Right am? I thinking that? Yeah? Yeah, that's kind of what.
You know.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
They were doing it for different I don't even know
why the fuck they were doing it, to be honest.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
It didn't seem like protection.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
It seemed like entertainment more than anything, which is it
seemed like entertainment.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
And also if anybody was infiltrating their compound and they
were just dicking around and drinking and this, that and
the other they could have potentially served as some sort
of a warning system.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Correct, Yeah, so it's like an alarm or something. So yeah,
you can weaponize these things.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
We're we're smart, you know, we could turn anything into
a weapon for human beings, I mean the royal be.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Yes, So all right, I mean there you go.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
There.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
I can't contribute to the Walking Dead conversation, but I
certainly can when it comes to the.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Last of us.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
But to finish off Jess's email would be fun to
hear your thoughts. I'll close this out before it becomes
too long. So thanks again in your own little ways
for helping out just being yourselves. Peace, Jess, Jess, Jess,
thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Hope the job search went well.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, so do I and I hope you're having thanks.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
For writing in. Thanks for the kind words. Yes, I'm
ready to spread some joy.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yeah you're ready, I think.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Yeah, I found it.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Oh oh oh, I forgot. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Sounds like buzzing more than quacking.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
And seventy eight ducks you just heard everyone. Oh, I'm
seventy eight tiny ducks.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
I'm joyful now.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
That actually isn't quite accurate, because a duck's quack doesn't
have reverb for some reason.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
You don't know why.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I had to add that in posts to make it
sound a little bit more sure. Robust Sure, Robust Duck. Yeah,
that's a good band name.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
Our debut album, Robust Duck, self titled Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
I Think I'm Gonna do one more From Jess R
from December fourth, twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Yes, sir, let's go.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
So, Hey, guys, currently listening to the Bonus Email episode
released on Thanksgiving, and you guys have just gotten into
a fun little discussion about how the infected would smell.
As someone who works in pathology and used to be
an autopsy tech, I have some thoughts on the topic. Yes,
it's true crime scene investigators usually can't scrub the smell

(48:48):
off of them for days after confronting a particularly decomposed scene.
But there is one little buggy friend that us in
the field know and love, and that.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
My friend, Oh my god, I'm so sorry. Everyone is maggots.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Since these little critters, yes, since these little critters feed
on decaying flesh, they make it so that the bodies
actually don't smell nearly as bad. Don't get me wrong,
they still stink, but they help it become a much lighter,
fishy smell instead of something that slaughters your senses. Sure,
so my thigh, Andrew's dying right now, Jess, I need

(49:25):
you to know that right.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
I'm not dying. I'm ready.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
So my thought following this is, I think with fungus,
another creature that loves to gobble up decay, the smell
probably wouldn't be half as bad as you imagine it
is decomp light or diet decomp.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Oh, that turn must stellmic a little bit. I think
you may have.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I think you may have some hope in not immediately
dying the last of us world via Vomitist after all,
happy podcast. First of all, Jess, so fucking cool that
you work in pathology and used to be an autopsy tech.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
I could never do the autopsy side.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Of things, but I feel like I could work in
the field to some degree until it was summertime and
someone who hadn't been found in like two to three
months was found, and then I'd be like, I can't
do this anymore.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
I quit.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah, I quit. Here's where you got to add the
CSI song. You know, you know you just gotta fuck
because we've been adding fun little songs to our episodes recently,
as soon as she says pathology and whatever, you'd be like,
fucking CSI Miami or whatever.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
No, not that one Vegas, Vegas.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
A fucking who is?

Speaker 4 (51:32):
I really want to know? So good?

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Oh my god, we real sidebar, real quick sidebar to
settle my stomach because I still feel a little vomity
in my throat.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
But Andrew I always said to Andrew that.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
If there was ever a CSI Philly, yeah, that the
song that would be.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Used, okay, just as a and just as a quick
aside to the aside, just for everyone listening if you
have not watched c s I.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
There were three of the four of them, there was them.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Well technically.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Then five because veg they're Vegas actually, but it was
just canceled after like three seasons.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
They tried to bring it back, but oh that's okay.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
They all used songs from a band called.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
The Who Who.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Yeah, just various various songs.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
As I always said, if there was a CSI Philadelphia,
because there was, let's just break down. There was the
original CSI, which took place in Vegas. Then there was
CSI Miami, which I don't I don't know if you
can figure this out. It took place in Miami, and
then there was CSI New York, which I actually really
loved just as much as CSI the Original because it

(52:37):
had Gary Sinise and Gary Sinise is a fucking goat,
So really enjoyed CSI New York. Never watched Miami because
I just can't with the guy, the main guy with
sung Yeah, Horatio and his sunglasses, get the fuck out.
But uh, and then I never watched Cyber and the
new revamped Vegas. I never watched that either, So it

(52:58):
was just New York and the original Vegas for.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Me, which was just called cs I.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
But each of them, like Andrew said, had a Who's Who,
the Who song, a song by the Who, There we Go,
and Eminence Front by the Who, which I'm also going
to put in here a little bit right now.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
I'm like, this would have been the perfect for cs I.

Speaker 7 (53:22):
Philly, but it never happened because.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
It's an Eminence front. So yeah, anyway, that's a sidebar.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Very cool job, Jess, very cool job, and hats off
to you.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
You are doing incredible work that needs to be done
for the peace and.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
The peace of mind for families, and yeah, and justice,
literally justice. So I I'm very grateful to people like
you because people like me could not hack it at all,
couldn't fuck it get No, not a chance. Nope, it
would be day one and I'd be like, you know,
I was just kidding a kid.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Well, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
She brings up something interesting about the the maggots.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Of course, yes, we didn't even talk about this.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
The things that eat fungus are slugs and other mollusks,
so like snails, all those like very similar, similar, but
not the same, you know what I'm saying. Sure, all
of those things are what eat fungus primarily. Yeah, like
they gobble up all those mushrooms, Like if you ever
look at them, like in a spring around here, at

(55:09):
least during our rainy season. We don't get a lot
of like mushrooms in Pennsylvania. I would not categorize it
that way. I guess we have a lot of grass
and like.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Lawns, well you mean like around our house. But if
we went to a legitimate far.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
Yeah, if we went to a yeah, like a fart whatever.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
But I'm just saying, like, naturally in the kind of
landscape where we are right now. No, No, sometimes though
and if it's particularly rainy or humid, we will have
like mushrooms just pop up overnight, it seems right, But
they're always like in the evening. There are always slugs
around them because they love that shit. So yeah, they're like,

(55:50):
oh my god, could you imagine if your favorite food
just or just arrived out of the ground one day,
that'd be amazing.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah, I mean, and I know I've seen in movies,
which you can't super trust movies because there's so much
inaccurate information literally every fucking movie. But I've seen scenes
where they would take maggots and purposely put them into
a living person's wound because they'll eat the infection. Yeah,

(56:20):
and the dead flesh, like that's what they do.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
They also have those those you know when you get
your was it better call Saul maybe when he.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Was in the spa and they would you put your
feet in the fist those little fish that the dead
skin too. I don't know what the fuck those things are.
That's got to feel weird because you're alive when that happens,
say most of the time.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Yeah, I don't know if I would do that, because I'm.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Just I guess I'll just never know. Because I'm never
going to do that.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Yeah, Andrew can go do it.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
And then he who report why I just said I'm
never going to do it? Listening to me?

Speaker 1 (56:58):
I'm sorry, so but yeah, I I mean, like I
think it's Listen, it's all connected. If you want to
get into a very like philo, yeah, it really is.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
It's if you want to get into.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
A philosophical if you want to take the philosophical lens
to it, like we all of us should return to
the earth essentially, and you know, hopefully in a very
peaceful manner, which is unfortunately not the case for a.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Lot of us, but like.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
To be a part of that ecosystem, like we are
a part of that ecosystem. And I and this is
a lot of conversation that I have, not not about
the death side of things, to be clear, but about
the life that we are living like we are not
Like is do I love that we have a podcast?
And is this an incredible experience to share with you

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and everyone else?

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Absolutely? But if I had my choice.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
I would rather be growing my own food with my
toes in the earth every single day during like spring
and summer, and then eat the foom for the food
that I grew like farm to table and just you know,
not have to take supplements, not have to make sure
that I'm wearing or you know that I get enough

(58:16):
sunshine and if I don't, like, there's oh, there's a
mask for this, there's a red light filter for that.
Like we're not supposed to be living with all of
these screens in our face. We are so intrinsically connected
to the earth. So when you read things like maggots
diminish the smell of decomposition, of course they do. And job, yeah,

(58:38):
and and our job is to be that food essentially.
And I know that that's a terrible thing to say,
but like it is just all a fucking food system
that never ever stops. And I think as humans we've
broken it.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Like we have looked.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
We looked at nash parks and monuments and cliffs and
mountains and seas and rivers, and we said, yeah, no,
let's work nine to five inside of a fucking office
with a computer in our face.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
It's sad.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Looked at it.

Speaker 8 (59:09):
We're like bar yeah, like and now mine sweeper and
now to get there, you need so much money when
it's like the earth should have just like it should
just be available to all of us in like clean wooter,
And but the ideology is so far from the truth,
and it's sad, so learning about the process, even if

(59:33):
it's the death process for humans or animals or whatnot,
Like it's so important and it's sad.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
You know, we'll watch this and I'm on, I know
I'm on a little bit of a pulpit right now,
but like whatever, Like I'll watch a National geographic program
or something about whales or did I say fucking program
like I'm eighty I.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Meant, I meant like documentary, like put it with my click.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
But you see a whale that's died and they just
sink to the bottom of the ocean, and that becomes
food for hundreds of thousands of creatures that otherwise that
can't see light. Some of them don't even have eyes.
Like it's just all it's all connected, and it's such

(01:00:21):
a beautiful thing. And I still have that book that
I want to cover on on this podcast, which is
Entangled Life. I believe I talked about that a year
and a half ago or whatever. I still have it
front and foremost on my shelf. And yeah, anyway, it
just I went in a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Different direction to tip.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
There we go to just undo the gagginess of the
stinky part of death, which is also unfortunately natural, but
there we go.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Anyway, Jess, thank you so much for writing in. I
hope you are doing well, hope that life is treating
you kind. And feel free to write in any time
about any of your experiences because we'll talk about them
even even if I have to, you know, take a
breather break where you know, you know, when you get
like that like, oh God, I just got to breathe
because something really affected my visual like acuity like that

(01:01:20):
kind of shit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
So but I'm willing to do it for you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
So yeah, these are the lengths we go to here
on the Wayfair and Stranger.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
I was gonna say, I'll gag for you, but I'm like,
that could be misinterpreted, and I.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Know you already said it, so you know you clip that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Thank God we're not on a video, not yet anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Just a uh, just a quick reminder that the Wayfar
and book Club episode I talked about a little bit
on this this episode's pre show, which is available to
the infected tier on Coffee. Yeah, if you guys are
interested in a marathon breakdown of Jurassic Park. That's what
I'm gonna be talking about over on coffee and you
can find that at koh Fi dot com slash Telu podcast.

(01:02:14):
But that's gonna that's gonna be our episode for this week.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
And we did it, Yeah, we did do it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
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though we should all be outside just like growing our
own food and like just breathing clean air and enjoin
our lives. But if you're on social media and you
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Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
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Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Be featured on an upcome UPco yes on an upcoming
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dot com. And once again, a little drop for coffee
because yeah, we love it over there, shared the Eagles
posts some other fun stuff we're up to, like episode
fifty three of our pre show post show stuff, and
they're usually between like thirty and forty five minutes long,

(01:02:59):
so we don't skimp.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Sometimes we skimp, but most times we don't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
And they're evergreen as well. Yeah, so listening to them
in twenty years should theoretically be just as topical as now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Sure, well yeah maybe, But if you want to do
that in either now or twenty years from now, you
can do that at kodah Fi.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Dot com, slash Telu podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
And last Cast comes back in April this year or so.
We're we were getting there. We are closing it on
Hell month, Hell wonderful month.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
What so it's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Coming, It's coming up, and next week will be another
bonus email show on Wayfair and Strangers because we are
still just checking them off and having a grand old
time doing it. So special shout out to our friends
are always say I always want to say friends, our friends,
but sometimes my brains like, don't say that, say friends,

(01:03:58):
and then it ends up as ends.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Special shout out to you all over on coffee. We
just love you guys. And that is the ghost, the ghost.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
We got some pronunciation brain today.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Yeah, I do the Ghost of mister Jall, Marie Kiara,
Dustin T. Wonder On, Brian Jim Zidra Kelsey Crjonian Jedi Study,
Ozzie Ellie, Alergro two A tres Late nine ten, Climbatize
eighty two, Zombie Tom thirty nine joined us again, love
to have you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
And baby Shadow.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
I just wanted to join in on the accent fun,
but it's hard to combine two different vocal I know,
thank you, yeah yeah, all right, but babe baby, it
just becomes Australia for some.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Shadow, Bibey Shadow. I was trying to do California, not Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
I know, and I was trying to do California and
it just became Australian because I'm trying to do this
other fucking vocal register.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
A Well, now I want to try baby shadows California,
baby Shadow, but it still kind of sounds Australian.

Speaker 6 (01:05:19):
Yeah right, it's kind of hard. It's it's an interesting shadow.
What the fuck anyway, tambro badow. So many people should
be offended.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
With Okay, all right, all right, bro baby Shadow. There
it is all right man, baby Shadow.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Oh my god, we're so old.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Utter chaos, which means it's time to wrap this up.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
So thank you guys for listening to our show. We
love you, we love hearing from you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
We love talking about all the questions and yeah thought
spirals that you send our way.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
So if you have one, send it. Stop hesitating. Don't
do that how do you do it?

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
What do you do it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
So yeah, do something nice for yourself this week. Go
out for a walk if you're able to, drink a
whole bunch of water, read.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
A good book that you've been putting off. I believe
in you, and we will be back next week. So yeah,
thanks guys. Bye,