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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, hello everybody. This is Wayfair and Strangers. And as
always I am Jack. Now I'm Jack, and as always
I'm joined by and with Andrew.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
What is happening? I don't know. Welcome to the first
episode of our podcast, Wayfair and Stranger Stranger. I believe
it's Wayfaring Strangler, Wayfaring Stranglers. Where we that's a whole
other show talk about. It's a true crime podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
That I mean, you never know. I've wanted to do
a missing person's podcast for like twenty years now. You
just never know.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
One day, Well you do know, because because Andrew ain't
on that show.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Bye. Yeah, No, that's.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
How you know it's not a true crime podcast. This one,
you mean, yeah, this one, this one specifically.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, but no, this is Wayfair and Strangers. And we
are back this week for another bonus episode, covering some emails.
And I would just like to, I guess, talk about
a few things in particular before we get started on
the emails. Because number one, today we are recording this
on April third, which is Thursday, which is the day
(01:43):
that the episode should have dropped. But it is just
it is just it might still be today, might still
be today. I might just do it all. It's five
twelve at night right now, but we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I'd say, why about evening evening?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yes, not nice?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Still out now, it's spreading true, you.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Know, true, it's true. I have the windows open. It's lovely.
But yes, it's April third. We're recording this. If it's
not out on Thursday, then it will be out on
Saturday because tomorrow I have a bunch of plans, which
is wonderful. But yeah, plan, plan, plan plan. Anyway, Ted
Lasso is amazing. Go watch it so you can understand
(02:27):
the joke that we just kind of made. Today is
also two things two things two two. I mean it's
a bunch of things, but it's also two things that
are relevant to my life but also the last of us.
So one, it's the five year anniversary of my dad's passing.
(02:49):
So if the energy is.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
A little.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Lower than normal, that is why. But everything else, you know,
it is okay. It's just a weird day. That's like
one thing that I've talked about with my sister and
my mom. I'm like, it's just a weird day because
like five years is half a decade, and that doesn't
(03:12):
feel real. Like at all, But it also feels like
it's been like ten or fifteen years. Does that make
sense because of how much has happened in the last
five years just collectively?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, got it?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Just give anything to live through precedented times, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Truly, truly please just precedented times once at some point
in the future, the very near future, fingers crossed prayers.
But like, yeah, so that's why, And I'm okay, you know,
I I had a moment. I actually had a really
wonderful dream about my dad earlier today. So that was
(03:52):
like a very special thing. And you know, just quiet,
very tired, low energy. I'm still super sore from the
gym on Tuesday. I wasn't able to go yesterday. I'm
probably not gonna be able to go today. It's just like,
e like an in between feeling. Does that make sense?
(04:14):
Like do you understand? I'm legitimately asking Andrew if he
understands what that in between feeling feels like, because he
normally doesn't.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Wow. Do you wow? Wow? Wow? No I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, no, I get it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
No, I know wow. How easy you were to believe?
How easy now I get the you know, I understand
that you know I have felt I have felt sullen
and dejected and saddened, and I've fallen christfallen even if
you will, h you know, I experienced the range of
human emotions just.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
On a you know, just on a scale.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
No, No, it's on a just a moment to moment basis.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yes, And I'm not saying like you're not feeling any
sort of way today because you loved my dad and
I know you miss him. Yeah, yeah, it's just that weird.
It's a weird energy, not bad, not good, just a day. Yeah,
(05:20):
I get it, and I think I just want it
to be a day.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
That's yeah. So there you go. Well that's why I record.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
The podcast, Yeah, because I know that I'll help. I
always feel great after we podcast. But yeah, I just
wanted to talk about that in case people are like, wow,
Jack is a little like quiet, which is fucking rare
on this show, or if I'm just not as like
whippy with like comebacks or wit or things like that.
So that's why. And then Part two is that the
(05:48):
last of Us Part two came out today for PC,
so a lot less significant than the first thing I mentioned,
but still very significant to people in the gaming community
who love Part two, who have been waiting for this.
So I'm I'm curious to see the virtual photography of
(06:13):
people who are playing on a PC because that's I mean,
that's like Pinnacle Gaming. We all know that I love
my consoles, but I also can recognize that if you
have like the Krem to the Korem, the Krem de
la Crem set up like it's gonna fucking beat what
I'm looking at.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I mean, yes, and no, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I know you have to spend a lot of money, That's.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
What I'm saying. Money the money. You can get a
fifty ninety in your computer, but it costs two thousand
dollars for just the graphics card. If that's what you
If that's what you're into and you have the means, yeah, right,
and assuming that the game actually works, because Sony does
tend to release buggy messes.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Oh that's another So yeah, let us know anybody, if
y'all out there are playing it on PC, how it's
playing for you. I'm very curious.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And then if it's not good, just remember to use
them my peace, you know, do that maneuver. Yeah, yeah,
it could be bad. I don't know. So that's the
thing is, like I get it. I've seen the people
game that I love, Final Fantasy, Sevin Rebirth Right. I've
seen the videos of it running on a I think
(07:33):
it was like a forty eighty or a forty ninety,
you know, the high end end video card. And I'm like, boy,
that show looks good. But but did it look good
enough to wait like an extra year and a half
to play it? No, it did not. I loved playing
it back when it actually came out, So there's also
(07:56):
that to contend with. You know, guess when I played
The Last of Us Part two in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, June nineteen, twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So that's when I played it. And I'm happy that
PC players are finally able to play it. But I
guess that that will allow them to join our conversation.
So fine, that's a good thing. God, but boy, boy,
oh boy, that's a sony problem.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I know. And I would never I would never build,
like buy and build a PC just for one game,
like no, And I legitimately don't know if people do that.
They might again, if you have the means and this
is something that you are passionate about why the fuck not?
(08:44):
You know, but I don't know if I would just
for one game, like I'm curious about Part two on PC,
but it's not enough to be like, yeah, I'm gonna
drop like X amount of dollars because I need to know.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
No, here's the thing. Here's the thing I'll say is
that I told you about this. If you were super
curious about it, you could buy it on Steam and
then sign up for the service g force Now, which
allows you to utilize those high end graphics cards in
the cloud. See what the game would look like now
(09:20):
that prohibitively you're not able to like do mods or
I guess maybe unlock the camera or do any of
that crazy stuff. But if fidelity is the goal, you
could do it that way, and then you pay one
month of g force Now, which is like twenty bucks
versus a three thousand dollars PC. Yeah. Yeah, you can
(09:41):
see the economy of scale there.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I do, I definitely do. I just yeah, I wanted
to talk about it, of course, because this is a
last of US podcast and it's pertinent information for April third,
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
We ah, but it's good. Let us know if you're
playing it.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, let us know. So heading into our show, now,
we're gonna get back to the listener emails. I want
to excite everyone or potentially deflet I don't know. But
we have eight emails left as of today. We received
(10:18):
two yesterday, but they replies. Yes, I'm so excited. We
literally had hundreds and we have It's like a reward.
I love it. But we literally have eight left. However,
before everyone's like, oh my god, we're almost to left
behind in part two, we are, but these emails are long,
(10:41):
so just keep that in mind.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I miss coughing.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So yeah, that's exciting for some people. I hope it's
exciting for me and us and our show. And yeah,
I'm just we're getting to it and we're getting through it.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
So I have a we have a workflow in place
for all this stuff too, since we're doing multiples and
we're cameras cameras on for the last cast, you know, guys,
cameras on. Yeah, right now, be ready.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Just a reminder and we will say this again on
the last cast recordings, just to kind of refresh everyone
because it's been almost two years in June since we
dropped an episode June of twenty twenty three was our
last episode, but we will be a non spoiler show,
(11:39):
so we can only talk about what has come before
and what the actual actual episode covered. However, I'm creating
a Patreon for the last cast to keep church and
State separate between Wayfair and Strangers and the last cast
because I don't want to just muddy everybody with coffee.
I feel like that will just confuse everyone and frustrate
the coffee so that we have had for years now,
(12:02):
and I don't want to do that to them fair
and they might not be interested at all in the
last cast, which I totally understand and respect. So over
on the Patreon, we might do spoiler shows like half
hour max spoiler episodes per week along with the actual episode.
So instead of pre show post show, we're like, let's
(12:23):
talk about the fucking spoilers and what we thinking is
going to happen. So, because Wayfair and Strangers is a
spoiler show, you know what I mean, Like, it's I
can say that here. So I'm going to take the
first email, boy because I'm so excited. It is from
the ghost of mister Joel for boost. Yeah. I think
(12:46):
this is the first time mister Joel has ever sent
in like a full fledged email, and this one's from
October eleven, twenty twenty four. And originally this was not
to be on air, but I really I like read
through it and I found myself wanting to talk about it.
So I reached out to mister Joel privately and I asked.
(13:08):
I was like, are you sure, because I would love
to read this on air, and yes, he came back
and confirmed that everything is good to read. So here
we are.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Okay, mister Joel said, now there we go.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, ok so the ghost of mister Joel from October eleventh,
twenty twenty four. So glad to have you back. I
felt compelled to subject you to my ramblings on the
end of part one. I can't wait for this. At
the end of part two, mister Joel, just FYI, it's
kind of word vomity and covers some old ground, but whatever,
(13:43):
here goes. Marlene says, I knew her since she was born.
Mister Joel's thoughts, Well, you knew of her dumping her
off on other people, so you could play firefly was
the closest to caring. You could imagine shots fired, mister Joel,
I love it, so okay. Then Ellie has to ask
(14:05):
Riley what does Marlene say about my mom? And Riley
has to tell Ellie Marlene says, you look like her.
And then again, this is just kind of like envisioning,
projecting a conversation or some offscreen moment that we didn't see.
You had some time to sell your pipe dream to
Ellie between Riley's death and Roberts, but don't pretend that
you know her, meaning Marlene cannot pretend like she knows Ellie,
(14:28):
and I fully agree with that. Marlene says there is
no other choice here, and Joel's reply, of course, is yeah,
you keep telling yourself that bullshit. And then Marlene demands
march him out of here. If he tries anything, shoot him.
The Fireflies are a militia with an ideology, get the cure,
no matter what. The ideology and pursuit of its fulfillment
(14:50):
are the only things that matter to them. At no
point from Boston to Salt Lake City does Ellie imagine
she'll have to die for the Fireflies. And this is
where this is our first stopping point, because I completely agree.
I think Ellie and we've talked about this, maybe not
as focused as we're about to, but certainly throughout the
journey of part one and the end of the game,
(15:13):
I'm sure it's come up in conversation. Ellie was fourteen
years old at the start of this journey, presumably her
birthday in summertime, right before she gets bit, right before
she meets Joel and Tess and have to go on
their merry way, And so she's fourteen throughout these changing
seasons and all of the horrors that her and Joel encounter.
(15:35):
I think personally she thought that this was going to
be a take my blood, take a few samples, then
me and Joel are going to hit the road and
probably go back to Jackson and live happily ever after.
I know that that might be a contradiction to the
conversation that Joel and Ellie have at the end of
(15:59):
Part two on his porch, his back porch, when she's like,
I you know, you took that from me. That was
her purpose, her life's purpose was supposed to be the cure,
and I think that in that moment it was multiple
dreams and trust shattered, which caused her to say that
(16:22):
more than her believing she had to die for this cause,
does that make sense. Yeah, yeah, okay, And we talked
about Marlene marching Joel out of there, like what a terror.
I mean again, I fucking hate the fireflies and Marlene
just all trash and Ellie having that innocence and believing
that they would do the right thing and not have
(16:45):
it cost her life. Yeah, I think is one a
testament to her innocence still up to that point with
the world proper now. And two, she didn't know Marlene
as well she thought she did, and Marlene didn't give
two shits about her, And I think that's evident here.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah. Yeah, the I mean, could you imagine, I mean
I think about it in like just like a day
to day like in our current lives situation where you're
like the doctor's like, uh, why don't you come in,
We're going to write some tests and they put you
under like he has to die. It's like, wait a minute,
(17:29):
I was just going in for some tests. You guys said,
I'm the cure. I'm not here to I didn't sign
up to die. It's the lie of a mission, I think,
is what is what they were predicated the entire thing on.
And so hindsight being twenty twenty it's easy to have
a righteous indignation and think I could have saved everybody.
(17:53):
And again that is the thought of a teenager. Yes,
teenagers always saying the world teenagers all always have grand.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Designs, yes and so, and good for them, and yes
you should try your best to carry those grand designs
into adulthood and old age.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yes, it's aspirational. But yeah, I yeah, we keep we
always come back to this, this thing about the fireflies
specifically and the killing of a of a child.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Right, because that's that's not and I know you're laughing
because we've talked about so much, but also it's fucking absurd, right,
the absurdity of it and honestly the audacity of it.
Where it's like for people to believe in an ideology
so deeply that they are comfortable and willing to kill
(18:53):
a child for their cause without informing her or Joel
and without knowing that this will work in any way,
shape or form, and running off of generator and battery packs.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
It's a fucking joke. Yeah, it's a yeah, I agree,
that's the situation. That is the moral quandary at the
end of the game, as it were, if you could
even call it a quandary. It seems pretty cut and dry,
although you know, I think we've made some compelling points
over the years to suggest that there is really no
(19:28):
choice at all.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Exactly there was no choice. And interestingly enough, recently, the
Last of Us part or excuse me, the Last of
Us on HBO season two is coming out. We all
know that on April thirteenth, and we're of course going
to talk more about this. But Neil Druckman commented in
an interview, He's like, I wholeheartedly believe Joel was right,
(19:53):
and he kind of emphasized this in a few sentences,
and that's all well and good, But in my mind, like,
why did it take him fucking twelve years to say
this out loud? And maybe he said it before and
I just don't remember. Because whatever, we all know my
feelings about Endy and end But I just what I'm like,
(20:14):
everybody knows that Joel did the right thing, and if
you do not realize that, I think you need to
go back and really examine the whole picture. And this
is not me being upset at anyone or blaming anybody.
I think it's just incredibly shortsighted to just be like no,
they should have done it for the greater good of humanity.
You're missing all of the You're just looking at the
(20:38):
shiny trophy without seeing the fucking row of bodies behind it.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
It just doesn't Yeah, yeah, it's fool's gold. Here's what
I'll say, just as a brief, Just as a brief
addition to that, I believe that when you create a
work of art, and I do consider this a work
of art, that you you do not have to explain yourself.
(21:03):
And so him being silent about it for a number
of years, which I believe is true, Yeah, is totally
fine by me. You shouldn't be tasked with having to
explain every little thing, and I prefer that right when
you have when, if, and when you are called upon
(21:27):
to do that, then maybe. But also remember that so
many things have been made worse when the creators attempt
to explain the right.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, I've seen that happens.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Wow, I'm just saying wow.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I know you mean though, like sometimes the creator will
share the provenance of their muse or their spark or
their idea, and you're like, that's not at all what
I got from that. So whatever you just said, I'm
my throw that in the trash, because that's not and
that can damage sometimes how you see things or receive
(22:07):
them that you've already experienced, which is weird. That's a
weird It's almost like a dissonance when that happens. So
I agree with you. I think creators should just be like,
let it.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Be received, right, I'll say, you know, And here's spoilers
for the last three episodes of Breaking Bad. So if
you haven't seen the show, yeah, I'm gonna do this
in thirty seconds, so on your podcast player, just hit
the plus fifteen twice and I'll be done. Are you
(22:38):
ready go? Somebody floated the idea to Vinskill again that
Heisenberg slash Walt died in the car that he was
in and then the last three episodes were just like
his dream of what happened. And he said, well, that's
just about the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard, and
in the most hilariously Vince Skill voice ever. And that
(23:02):
is when I believe it is okay to say one way,
definitively that that is not what I meant by that,
You know what I'm saying, Yes, when it is taken
so far afield, then I think it's okay, but that's it,
and I hope you're and welcome back everyone. Yeah, so yeah,
(23:23):
that's all.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, I no, I agree with you. I think when
people are just so, when they lean into theories that
have absolutely no basis or grounds correct, it's like, where
did you even fucking come up with this?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
There are things on the internet that we can only
that maybe we don't want to know, but you know,
how do You've had lots of things? How do people
find these things? But they find them and then it's
down the rabbit hole we go. So it's realize some
wonderland situation. That's all. I just wanted to throw those
couple of things out there, but that's that's neat.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, all right, Proceeding more into mister L's email. So
this is the conversation that Joel and Ellie had before
they ended up at the bookstore fighting off all the
hunters there and all that good stuff. So Joel, you
sacrifice the few to save the many, Ellie, that's kind
of fucking shitty. Ellie. Once we're done, will go wherever
(24:17):
you want.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So mister Joel's jumping around to different parts of the
game to further illustrate and illustrate his point here, Joel, Well,
I ain't leave without you, so go. So let's go
wrap this up.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Ellie.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Hey, that's what we can do once we're done, Joel,
what's that, Ellie? You can teach me how to swim. Joel,
you got it. These aren't the exchanges of someone looking
to die again. Completely agree, hard agree, couldn't agree more
all the agreement. Sure, Anna told Ellie to find her
purpose and fight for it. She also told her that
life is worth living. If the fireflies had bothered to
(24:51):
wait for Ellie to regain consciousness and actually explain this,
this massive escalation to her and ask if she would
want to take it that far, it would still be
the wrong thing to do. Giving a blood sample or
a biopsy aren't remotely equivalent to being chucked into the
volcano to appease the CBI God, which that's what we're
(25:13):
gonna call it, the CBI God forever now, so so good.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And getting chucked into a volcano.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
It's so sacrificial, so ritual, mister Joel, I agree. I
think I've never considered like the arguments that we make
for Ellie and the fireflies wanting to kill a child
usually always stop at well, they should have informed her,
they should have informed Joel. They didn't, so fuck them,
and I do absolutely believe that. But it is an
(25:41):
interesting point that Joel writes here. Mister Joel writes here
in that it escalated so massively that even the idea
of waking a fourteen year old child up to say, hey,
you kind of drowned, but we saved your life, but
(26:02):
we kind of have to kill you, but it's for
the greater good. You're going to save everyone maybe possibly,
We're not sure, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
The kind of have to kill you.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Like, It's just it's preposterous to even put that situation
into play, of them telling her what their intentions are.
So it's literally lose lose across the board for the Fireflies,
and and Joel literally took the only route he possibly
could have for Ellie and for him and for I guess,
(26:34):
to prove to the fucking dumb ass fireflies that this
shit was never gonna work anyway. Yeah, it's that was interesting,
mister Joel. I never thought about that actual conversation and
how it might go, But even playing that out in
like a fictional sense, I mean, the whole game is fictional,
but like in an AU fictional sense, it's it's ridiculous,
it's just silly.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, the CBI gods would be like, you're dumb anyway, can't.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
To kill us? You couldn't kill us when you had medicine.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, Now what you're going to do?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I don't know a tool? I don't know either, bean. Also,
you're not going to kill me?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Are God power for me?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Jerry has no power here? Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Okay, it's so garry itzza sorry, so yes, back to
the email. So even sweet gentle Jerry Anderson, the coin
and pregnant zebra in should have said, no, we'd have
to kill her. We need to find another way. But
(27:50):
that would go against the ideology against Deis xmuckin. Ah.
I don't believe Ellie would have been willing to die
again and had anyone bother to ask her. I also
agree here. I think she would have struggled. I think
that either way, Ellie was going to end up with
survivor's guilt for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Sure, but I.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Don't think Ellie, like when Marlene says, she would have
wanted this. Couldn't couldn't disagree more. Again, Marlene didn't know Ellie,
so how could she even make that fucking judgment call?
Yeah ridiculous, Yeah, so many, so many ridiculous. Is anyway
Joel a skipt a sentence? Sorry, but if it wasn't
(28:32):
just Joel gaining a daughter in all of this, Ellie
now had a father in Joel, which is a far
cry from the absentee caretaker that was Marlene exactly, And
there's something to fight for became each other. So imagine
and I think I've talked about this, Oh my god,
once upon a time, maybe on Twitter. I don't even
(28:53):
fucking know.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
But imagine if Joel was allowed in that hospital room
during that conversation, and he had enough belief in this
cure himself to listen to the firefly's bullshit and let
Ellie listen to the fireflies bullshit. I don't. Ellie would
basically be saying, I know everything that had happened to
(29:20):
you with your daughter, and I'm sorry for that, but
now you're also going to lose me. But in the
same sense, I'm also going to lose the only parent
I've ever had. No, there's no way any of this
would happen. God, it's so fucking stupid to even like
think this far in advance. My brain is like melting.
It's like, stop, Jack, just this is stupid writing. So yeah,
(29:46):
so can Joel had demonstrated a fierce devotion to Ellie
by this time that I don't believe she would have
been able to completely dismiss. There you go just said that.
He summed it up in fewer words and better, So
thank you, mister Joel. The flashback seen in part two
puts on a good show of how Marlene and Jerry
were apparently struggling with the decision. Puts on a good show. Yeah,
(30:07):
I love it. It wouldn't have been that much of
a struggle for people who were weren't blinded by their ideology.
Of course, this was again to show what a super
guy Jerry was for Abby's story. Oh, I'm actually not
going to comment on this because this I want to
talk about in depth when we get to it in
(30:29):
part two, because it's going to be a lengthy conversation
that one.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I'm looking forward to it already.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, it sounds like it, boy, I can I can
hear the excitement. So also, also, it's only in part two,
when Joel tells Ellie the truth that suddenly Ellie's not
so much made that Joel lied, but that he didn't
leave her to die. That always seemed a bit off
to me. Clearly in service to part two story dais
(30:58):
ex machina. I just I'm going to create a choir
and just we'll add that as a button. I will
sing all the parts.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
You could put that in a Yeah, we could program
that in logic to actually, yeah, that'll be good.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
So Marlene's journal. Now we're back to some dural entries.
They look at me, and I know what they're thinking,
that we're a bunch of incompetent grunts. Hey, yeah, because
you are. I failed you, Anna, I failed all of us.
I am an incompetent grunt. I can't stand talking to
any of them. I don't think I can take the
stairs any longer. No way, stairs as in people staring,
(31:35):
not like stairs as in go upstairs. Yeah, no way
that I can stay here. So Marlene can redeem herself
in the eyes of the fireflies and offload this obligation
to her dead friend. Why not Ellie's conveniently this orphan
that they think no one's going to miss Marlene Shore
won't she was going to hand Ellie off to Robert,
(31:56):
of all people, good looking out Marlene for fock's sake.
And again Robert, beginning of part one, who was a
piece of shit? And uh yeah, again this just doubles
down and triples down on how bad Marlene was really
as a person, Like she was just rotten to hercord
and so swept up in the ideology that nothing else
(32:17):
existed beyond that, and now she's living in her You know,
I can't stay here because I failed, and they don't
respect me because you're a fucking the idiot.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
We've all been there, who among us.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
So good old hands in the fucking air. Ethan just
attacks Joel as he's trying to revive Ellie and Marlene.
Sorry about the motions to indicate Joel's gift from our buddy, Ethan.
They didn't know who you were, Ethan. Again, knock them
out after or knocked Joel out after Ellie had drowned. Yeah,
and uh so we're kind of bouncing around this hospital scene,
(32:54):
but really, question Mark, they had no clue, Marlene's journal reads.
One of our scouts just radioed in he spotted an
older man and a younger girl entering the tunnel by
the bus terminal. He thinks she might have red hair,
but he's not sure. What if it's her? And mister
Joel says, what if it's her? Who else is it
(33:15):
going to be? Did you get a lot of older
men with younger girl pedestrian traffic in the tunnels around
the hospital?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Okay? Now, in fairness, sure months it's been months.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, But even still to sit there and say, what
if it's her? When the description of Joel and Ellie
almost matched to a t is abduse.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Well, here's all I'll say is if it was Marlene
who had spotted them then and her if that was
the case, and then she was like is that them?
Then I'd be like, well this is but this is
just some random guy, you know what I'm saying. I
guess so I tell you, like, hey, if I tell
(34:01):
you at any moment now, a package will be delivered
to our house. Sure, And then three months go by
and no package is delivered, and then all of a sudden,
the ups truck pulls up out front. You're not thinking, like,
maybe this is that package that Andrew was talking about
through you know what I'm saying. I guess that's all
(34:24):
I'm saying. I would just that part. I'll just give
them a little bit of grace because I have a
bad memory.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
No, I don't know. I think in a world where
packages and people are rarely delivered or arrive, I think
it's safe to assume to an extent, to a greater
extent than you might have otherwise.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
No, but again, I think the first assumption is this
is danger, and then we can go to the backup
assumption of maybe this is the world savior. You know.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I I don't push back.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I'm not pushing back on much in this email. I
feel like this are all really well articulated. Just this
one thing. I'm like, I'll give them, I'll let the
fireflies have this.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
No, I won't. I'm not giving them nothing nothing.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Hey, you know what, you know what? Fair enough?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Fair enough? So all right, surgeon's recorder the cause of
her immunity is uncertain. So that was the quote. Seems
like you were so confident in the outcome this uncertainty
wouldn't bear mentioning makes me question their competence, makes me
question their confidence competence too, Mister Joel and Marlene's recorder too.
(35:45):
I just gave the okay to go ahead with the surgery.
I really doubt I had much of a choice. Asking
me was more of a formality. So the tail is
wagging the dog apparently. Yes, I fucking love that expression,
and I do not hear it enough. Oh man. Any
altruism that may have existed in the origins of the
(36:06):
firefly ideology is most likely gone, if not severely perverted
at this point. I agree. If they had managed to
create a cure without fucking it up, they would have
leverage slash weaponized it, as Jack has mentioned. More likely though,
once news got out that they had found it, they
would have been overrun by Fedra or whoever else got
(36:26):
there first. Inclosing, in conclusion, fuck you Ethan, a gunshot
was too good for you, Joel, let you off easy,
and fuck you Jerry Slash Bruce, don't kill kids, and
don't try to get between an Ellie and her Joel,
and fuck you Marlene. Anna would have been disgusted anyways.
Thanks for my favorite podcast about my favorite thing, Joel
(36:50):
parentheses The Ghost of Mister What.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Your first name is the ghost of mister and last
name is Joel?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Oh that was. See, there was no way I was
not reading that email.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
It was way too good, and obviously it doubles down
on a lot of how I feel. So I'm gonna
lean into it, you know, I don't want to hear
anyone like, well, of course you're going to read it, Jack,
because it reaffirms everything that you fucking say, yes, like yeah,
I love.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
When people confirm my thoughts. Coffee is very good for you.
You can never drink enough.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
No, no, you can be careful.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
You can antioxidants all the time.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Andrew loves coffee very very much, so he's trying to
convince him of that. So somebody write in coffee? Is
somebody write in and just tell him that it's a motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Listen coffee.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I love it. Coffee, I love it.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Oh my god, that's me.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah. So, mister Joel, thank you so much for writing in.
It was really wonderful. I mean, you have been support
hoarding our show, I think the longest.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I think you and Mari are our two veteran supporters. Yeah,
and I very much appreciate you, all of you very much.
So it was just wonderful to finally to receive an
email from you and then talk about it on air.
So yeah, thank you so much, thank.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
You, Miss Joe. Yeah, or thank you Joel Kama, the
ghost of mister Yes, that must make paperwork a nightmare.
That is a very long first name.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
It was actually parenthetical. So no, I'm just yeah, stop,
it's a joke.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Stop. Sorry, I got one. I want to read one.
This is a quick one, but in the service of
keeping the episode to tidy not running on I know
that's not what everybody wants, trust me, but here we go.
This one comes from Mikey's Mixed Gaming. Mikey's Mix Gaming
(39:01):
MMG says love your show and just wanted to write
in because I heard you talking about Voodoo Donuts. Hell yeah,
they started in Portland, Oregon, where the slogan is keep
Portland Weird, so you can see how it makes sense
that they have such a unique menu of donuts. Anyways,
been listening to your TLU podcast since the beginning and
they are great. Miikey's Mixed Gaming, thank.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
You, Yeah, thank you so much. And Doomsday Dave actually
wrote recently too about the Voodoo Donuts and through DM
and I shared very quickly. I was like we are
going back down to Universals Orlando in October, and that
(39:45):
is going to be the first day stop, not the
last day, as we're going to the fucking airport stop.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Wow, it could be because you know, I'm into that
baby Live Moss as they say.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I'm into it. You're speaking my language. So yes, hash
sagging through two totals.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, keep Orlando weird also, you know, so and a
couple of the airports that they're also featured in for
some reason. So there it is. Yeah, I think that's it.
I think that's it. I think we did. We did
a lot. We had a really lengthy, in depth email,
and we had a really nice short email that just
kind of a little bit more recent and topical. And
(40:28):
now we will do a couple more episodes, you know,
alternating between those two things, a really long and in
depth thing and maybe just a nice and short one.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah. I do have a question to pose, and this
is something that we've never done before. But Erica had
a question because she's her and her girlfriend are replaying
the Last of Us Part one and also rewatching season
one in prep for season two, and the question was
(41:00):
about the monkeys at the university. Sure, running around the lab,
So she said, whose monkeys were they? How old were they?
Were they brought in from somewhere else? Who had gotten them?
And I always believed that they were the fireflies, test
(41:20):
subjects for whatever they were trying to concoct on any
given day. However, I don't I can't quite figure out
where they would have gotten them from, because I mean,
maybe the zoo, But wouldn't those monkeys have perished after
twenty years? Or are these monkeys the descendants of the
(41:43):
apes that lived at the zoo? Because we have drafts.
It was a good question and not something that you
and I talked about on the show when we were
covering that. So I'm just going to put that out
there in the universe, in our Wayfar and Strangers universe.
And if anyone has a information about that, because I
have not googled. I like to come up with ideas
(42:05):
on my own before I learned what other people say.
And two, if you have your own ideas about that,
I know that Erica would absolutely love to have a
portion of a future show dedicated to this. So just
to monkeys, Yeah, where like, where did they come from?
Who let them out? Why were they running around I
(42:25):
mean they were young. They were younger monkeys, So where
where the fuck did they Where did they come from?
What were they testing on these monkeys? What were they
going to test? Like, there's a lot of questions here,
And presumably they were trying to infect them with CBI,
but maybe it just didn't take or it just didn't
jump from species to spe I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
I think some of that. I think I remember that
some of them were infected, like one of that. Wasn't
there an audio.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Thing, No, doesn't Joel say don't let them bite you
or touch you or something?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I can't remember that. I just thought that there was
either an audio thing or a uh yeah, either a
recorder or an entry like a text like a journal
entry that said one of the guys got bit and
then like killed himself or something like.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
That, Oh you're I don't remember exactly, but it's unclear
if the monkeys.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Maybe that was an overreaction on his part because I
we didn't see any infected monkeys. No, they were. It
wasn't like they had the plates coming out of their
head or anything like that, and they, like I feel
like an infected like monkeys would not hang around a
clearly infected monkey. Like they'd be like, oh, that guy
(43:43):
is weird. We're not gonna hang We don't hang out.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
With They probably bashed him or beat him to death.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Probably they you know, they're cold, they're cold as ice.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yes, they are so strong as shit.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
So that's uh, yeah, the origin of the monkey's interesting.
You know.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, they are in.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Labs, right, you know, but I feel like we test
what we test on monkeys is not It could also
just be a nod to outbreak.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Sure, I guess I'm just hung up on where the
fuck did they come from?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
They were always there.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
They would have died if they were in their cages
for twenty years, they would have starved to death after
like a week.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
No, no, no, they were always there and.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Taken care of who was taking care of them the university.
Oh my god, I mean now, but then we got
to go back and think about the entries from the
students who were there, because some of the students got
like trapped at the university and kept saying like, oh,
we're you know, there's help on the way, there's help
on the way, and then eventually no help ever came,
and they all got infected and killed each other except
(44:41):
for the remaining clickers that Joel ends up killing in
the dorms. But it's yeah, I might have to replay
that section to go through all of the ancillary materials
left about because I just don't know where they came from.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
If you release you know, it's an interesting it's an
interesting thought exercise. If you release monkeys into the wild,
if say they escaped from the zoo, right, sure, our
monkeys equipped to live in the climate of Colorado or
the surrounding areas. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Maybe I don't know, but I think that they are
intelligent enough to find someplace indoors like the lab, to stay,
to be safe.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
That's what I'm saying. So you know, the direst.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Epers recently, Up until recently, the lab was full of
firefly scientists and the monkeys are.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Like, you stay over there and we'll stay over here.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
In our cages. They were in cages, so one where
did they come from? Who let them out? Like? Oh, so, Erica,
thank you for bringing this to our attention. People listening
at home, share your thoughts with us because I want
to know, and.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Stay tuned for our six episode run where we dive
in to where the monkeys come from. In an attempt
to put off talking about you guessed that the last
of us Part two.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
I'm not trying to put nothing. Uh huh so, oh
my god. Thank you guys so much for hanging out
with us, and we hope that you enjoyed the fireflies
shaming and some lamming today. Thank you Joel, Thank you
(46:24):
mister Joel. And uh yeah, we we're again. Sorry this
is a little late, but something's happened this week and
anniversaries and so on and so far. So here we are.
But if you guys would like to follow us on
some social media's, you can do that over on Blue Sky,
at Telu podcast or Instagram. At Telu Podcasts, I'm slowly
(46:47):
more active over there. If you'd like to be on
a future email show writing about monkeys or staff I
don't know, you can do that at Telu podcast at
gmail dot com. If you would like to support us,
hang out with some really cool people, or over on
coffee get some pre show post show shenanigans from Andrew
(47:08):
and I. You can do that at kodash fi dot
com slash Telu podcast and the last cast will return
in about two weeks, so if you guys haven't listened
to season one yet. Now's your time to catch up
and enjoy that because it's long. They're long episodes, and
(47:31):
next week we'll be back with another bonus show again.
Now we have six emails left, so that's exciting, and
some special announcements. As always, thank you to our wonderful
coffee friends. We have the Ghost of Mister Joel Mari, Kiara,
Dustin T wander On, Brian Jim Zidrake, Kelsey, Kryptoni and
Jedi seventy nine not thirty nine, Ozzy, Ozzie Ellie, a
(47:56):
Lurker atreyas Late nine to ten, Climatize eighty to Zombie
Tom thirty nine, Vaded Jader, jess our end baby, that
sound like that hurt?
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Nope, not at all. I am a I'm a vocal professional.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yes, yep, you are a babe. Good job. I love it.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
We did it? Also, yes, we did do it?
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Oh my god. So well, then you should have known
where the monkeys came from.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Okay, I'm not that kind of doctor.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Anyway, shout out, I know. I gave the shout out
to Leo, who was an artist on coffee a strand
of gold. So it's ko dash Fi dot com slash
a strand of gold. I received my Joel print with
a lovely little note and the outside packaging had beautiful
golden black ferns drawing on it. I took some pictures
I'm going to share with you guys on Instagram. Shortly.
(48:55):
It was beautiful. Thank you so much, Leo. I love
your artwork. I will be purchasing more and you guys
should go and check out the page. So yeah, but
have a great week, stay safe, go for a walk
to get yourself some sunshine and some fresh air if
you are able to. It is wonderful for your mental health.
(49:19):
Can confirm drink more water because I know you effin
didn't drink enough today. Neither have I. I'm guilty too
of this. And uh, we talked about donuts, we talked
about ice cream. You know what, get yourself a choro.
You might have to work a little harder to find
one of those, depending on where you live, but I
believe in you.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I'll be just recommending pastries at the end of episode now.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah, until we run out of that, and then I'll
start recommending wine or something. But dan, Yeah, thank you guys,
and we'll be back next week see yuh gofing
Speaker 2 (50:07):
U
Well, hello everybody. This is Wayfair and Strangers. And as
always I am Jack. Now I'm Jack, and as always
I'm joined by and with Andrew.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
What is happening? I don't know. Welcome to the first
episode of our podcast, Wayfair and Stranger Stranger. I believe
it's Wayfaring Strangler, Wayfaring Stranglers. Where we that's a whole
other show talk about. It's a true crime podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
That I mean, you never know. I've wanted to do
a missing person's podcast for like twenty years now. You
just never know.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
One day, Well you do know, because because Andrew ain't
on that show.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Bye. Yeah, No, that's.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
How you know it's not a true crime podcast. This one,
you mean, yeah, this one, this one specifically.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, but no, this is Wayfair and Strangers. And we
are back this week for another bonus episode, covering some emails.
And I would just like to, I guess, talk about
a few things in particular before we get started on
the emails. Because number one, today we are recording this
on April third, which is Thursday, which is the day
(01:43):
that the episode should have dropped. But it is just
it is just it might still be today, might still
be today. I might just do it all. It's five
twelve at night right now, but we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I'd say, why about evening evening?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yes, not nice?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Still out now, it's spreading true, you.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Know, true, it's true. I have the windows open. It's lovely.
But yes, it's April third. We're recording this. If it's
not out on Thursday, then it will be out on
Saturday because tomorrow I have a bunch of plans, which
is wonderful. But yeah, plan, plan, plan plan. Anyway, Ted
Lasso is amazing. Go watch it so you can understand
(02:27):
the joke that we just kind of made. Today is
also two things two things two two. I mean it's
a bunch of things, but it's also two things that
are relevant to my life but also the last of us.
So one, it's the five year anniversary of my dad's passing.
(02:49):
So if the energy is.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
A little.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Lower than normal, that is why. But everything else, you know,
it is okay. It's just a weird day. That's like
one thing that I've talked about with my sister and
my mom. I'm like, it's just a weird day because
like five years is half a decade, and that doesn't
(03:12):
feel real. Like at all, But it also feels like
it's been like ten or fifteen years. Does that make
sense because of how much has happened in the last
five years just collectively?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, got it?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Just give anything to live through precedented times, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Truly, truly please just precedented times once at some point
in the future, the very near future, fingers crossed prayers.
But like, yeah, so that's why, And I'm okay, you know,
I I had a moment. I actually had a really
wonderful dream about my dad earlier today. So that was
(03:52):
like a very special thing. And you know, just quiet,
very tired, low energy. I'm still super sore from the
gym on Tuesday. I wasn't able to go yesterday. I'm
probably not gonna be able to go today. It's just like,
e like an in between feeling. Does that make sense?
(04:14):
Like do you understand? I'm legitimately asking Andrew if he
understands what that in between feeling feels like, because he
normally doesn't.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Wow. Do you wow? Wow? Wow? No I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, no, I get it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
No, I know wow. How easy you were to believe?
How easy now I get the you know, I understand
that you know I have felt I have felt sullen
and dejected and saddened, and I've fallen christfallen even if
you will, h you know, I experienced the range of
human emotions just.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
On a you know, just on a scale.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
No, No, it's on a just a moment to moment basis.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yes, And I'm not saying like you're not feeling any
sort of way today because you loved my dad and
I know you miss him. Yeah, yeah, it's just that weird.
It's a weird energy, not bad, not good, just a day. Yeah,
(05:20):
I get it, and I think I just want it
to be a day.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
That's yeah. So there you go. Well that's why I record.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
The podcast, Yeah, because I know that I'll help. I
always feel great after we podcast. But yeah, I just
wanted to talk about that in case people are like, wow,
Jack is a little like quiet, which is fucking rare
on this show, or if I'm just not as like
whippy with like comebacks or wit or things like that.
So that's why. And then Part two is that the
(05:48):
last of Us Part two came out today for PC,
so a lot less significant than the first thing I mentioned,
but still very significant to people in the gaming community
who love Part two, who have been waiting for this.
So I'm I'm curious to see the virtual photography of
(06:13):
people who are playing on a PC because that's I mean,
that's like Pinnacle Gaming. We all know that I love
my consoles, but I also can recognize that if you
have like the Krem to the Korem, the Krem de
la Crem set up like it's gonna fucking beat what
I'm looking at.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I mean, yes, and no, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I know you have to spend a lot of money, That's.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
What I'm saying. Money the money. You can get a
fifty ninety in your computer, but it costs two thousand
dollars for just the graphics card. If that's what you
If that's what you're into and you have the means, yeah, right,
and assuming that the game actually works, because Sony does
tend to release buggy messes.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Oh that's another So yeah, let us know anybody, if
y'all out there are playing it on PC, how it's
playing for you. I'm very curious.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And then if it's not good, just remember to use
them my peace, you know, do that maneuver. Yeah, yeah,
it could be bad. I don't know. So that's the
thing is, like I get it. I've seen the people
game that I love, Final Fantasy, Sevin Rebirth Right. I've
seen the videos of it running on a I think
(07:33):
it was like a forty eighty or a forty ninety,
you know, the high end end video card. And I'm like, boy,
that show looks good. But but did it look good
enough to wait like an extra year and a half
to play it? No, it did not. I loved playing
it back when it actually came out, So there's also
(07:56):
that to contend with. You know, guess when I played
The Last of Us Part two in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, June nineteen, twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So that's when I played it. And I'm happy that
PC players are finally able to play it. But I
guess that that will allow them to join our conversation.
So fine, that's a good thing. God, but boy, boy,
oh boy, that's a sony problem.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I know. And I would never I would never build,
like buy and build a PC just for one game,
like no, And I legitimately don't know if people do that.
They might again, if you have the means and this
is something that you are passionate about why the fuck not?
(08:44):
You know, but I don't know if I would just
for one game, like I'm curious about Part two on PC,
but it's not enough to be like, yeah, I'm gonna
drop like X amount of dollars because I need to know.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
No, here's the thing. Here's the thing I'll say is
that I told you about this. If you were super
curious about it, you could buy it on Steam and
then sign up for the service g force Now, which
allows you to utilize those high end graphics cards in
the cloud. See what the game would look like now
(09:20):
that prohibitively you're not able to like do mods or
I guess maybe unlock the camera or do any of
that crazy stuff. But if fidelity is the goal, you
could do it that way, and then you pay one
month of g force Now, which is like twenty bucks
versus a three thousand dollars PC. Yeah. Yeah, you can
(09:41):
see the economy of scale there.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I do, I definitely do. I just yeah, I wanted
to talk about it, of course, because this is a
last of US podcast and it's pertinent information for April third,
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
We ah, but it's good. Let us know if you're
playing it.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, let us know. So heading into our show, now,
we're gonna get back to the listener emails. I want
to excite everyone or potentially deflet I don't know. But
we have eight emails left as of today. We received
(10:18):
two yesterday, but they replies. Yes, I'm so excited. We
literally had hundreds and we have It's like a reward.
I love it. But we literally have eight left. However,
before everyone's like, oh my god, we're almost to left
behind in part two, we are, but these emails are long,
(10:41):
so just keep that in mind.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I miss coughing.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So yeah, that's exciting for some people. I hope it's
exciting for me and us and our show. And yeah,
I'm just we're getting to it and we're getting through it.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
So I have a we have a workflow in place
for all this stuff too, since we're doing multiples and
we're cameras cameras on for the last cast, you know, guys,
cameras on. Yeah, right now, be ready.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Just a reminder and we will say this again on
the last cast recordings, just to kind of refresh everyone
because it's been almost two years in June since we
dropped an episode June of twenty twenty three was our
last episode, but we will be a non spoiler show,
(11:39):
so we can only talk about what has come before
and what the actual actual episode covered. However, I'm creating
a Patreon for the last cast to keep church and
State separate between Wayfair and Strangers and the last cast
because I don't want to just muddy everybody with coffee.
I feel like that will just confuse everyone and frustrate
the coffee so that we have had for years now,
(12:02):
and I don't want to do that to them fair
and they might not be interested at all in the
last cast, which I totally understand and respect. So over
on the Patreon, we might do spoiler shows like half
hour max spoiler episodes per week along with the actual episode.
So instead of pre show post show, we're like, let's
(12:23):
talk about the fucking spoilers and what we thinking is
going to happen. So, because Wayfair and Strangers is a
spoiler show, you know what I mean, Like, it's I
can say that here. So I'm going to take the
first email, boy because I'm so excited. It is from
the ghost of mister Joel for boost. Yeah. I think
(12:46):
this is the first time mister Joel has ever sent
in like a full fledged email, and this one's from
October eleven, twenty twenty four. And originally this was not
to be on air, but I really I like read
through it and I found myself wanting to talk about it.
So I reached out to mister Joel privately and I asked.
(13:08):
I was like, are you sure, because I would love
to read this on air, and yes, he came back
and confirmed that everything is good to read. So here
we are.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Okay, mister Joel said, now there we go.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, ok so the ghost of mister Joel from October eleventh,
twenty twenty four. So glad to have you back. I
felt compelled to subject you to my ramblings on the
end of part one. I can't wait for this. At
the end of part two, mister Joel, just FYI, it's
kind of word vomity and covers some old ground, but whatever,
(13:43):
here goes. Marlene says, I knew her since she was born.
Mister Joel's thoughts, Well, you knew of her dumping her
off on other people, so you could play firefly was
the closest to caring. You could imagine shots fired, mister Joel,
I love it, so okay. Then Ellie has to ask
(14:05):
Riley what does Marlene say about my mom? And Riley
has to tell Ellie Marlene says, you look like her.
And then again, this is just kind of like envisioning,
projecting a conversation or some offscreen moment that we didn't see.
You had some time to sell your pipe dream to
Ellie between Riley's death and Roberts, but don't pretend that
you know her, meaning Marlene cannot pretend like she knows Ellie,
(14:28):
and I fully agree with that. Marlene says there is
no other choice here, and Joel's reply, of course, is yeah,
you keep telling yourself that bullshit. And then Marlene demands
march him out of here. If he tries anything, shoot him.
The Fireflies are a militia with an ideology, get the cure,
no matter what. The ideology and pursuit of its fulfillment
(14:50):
are the only things that matter to them. At no
point from Boston to Salt Lake City does Ellie imagine
she'll have to die for the Fireflies. And this is
where this is our first stopping point, because I completely agree.
I think Ellie and we've talked about this, maybe not
as focused as we're about to, but certainly throughout the
journey of part one and the end of the game,
(15:13):
I'm sure it's come up in conversation. Ellie was fourteen
years old at the start of this journey, presumably her
birthday in summertime, right before she gets bit, right before
she meets Joel and Tess and have to go on
their merry way, And so she's fourteen throughout these changing
seasons and all of the horrors that her and Joel encounter.
(15:35):
I think personally she thought that this was going to
be a take my blood, take a few samples, then
me and Joel are going to hit the road and
probably go back to Jackson and live happily ever after.
I know that that might be a contradiction to the
conversation that Joel and Ellie have at the end of
(15:59):
Part two on his porch, his back porch, when she's like,
I you know, you took that from me. That was
her purpose, her life's purpose was supposed to be the cure,
and I think that in that moment it was multiple
dreams and trust shattered, which caused her to say that
(16:22):
more than her believing she had to die for this cause,
does that make sense. Yeah, yeah, okay, And we talked
about Marlene marching Joel out of there, like what a terror.
I mean again, I fucking hate the fireflies and Marlene
just all trash and Ellie having that innocence and believing
that they would do the right thing and not have
(16:45):
it cost her life. Yeah, I think is one a
testament to her innocence still up to that point with
the world proper now. And two, she didn't know Marlene
as well she thought she did, and Marlene didn't give
two shits about her, And I think that's evident here.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah. Yeah, the I mean, could you imagine, I mean
I think about it in like just like a day
to day like in our current lives situation where you're
like the doctor's like, uh, why don't you come in,
We're going to write some tests and they put you
under like he has to die. It's like, wait a minute,
(17:29):
I was just going in for some tests. You guys said,
I'm the cure. I'm not here to I didn't sign
up to die. It's the lie of a mission, I think,
is what is what they were predicated the entire thing on.
And so hindsight being twenty twenty it's easy to have
a righteous indignation and think I could have saved everybody.
(17:53):
And again that is the thought of a teenager. Yes,
teenagers always saying the world teenagers all always have grand.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Designs, yes and so, and good for them, and yes
you should try your best to carry those grand designs
into adulthood and old age.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yes, it's aspirational. But yeah, I yeah, we keep we
always come back to this, this thing about the fireflies
specifically and the killing of a of a child.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Right, because that's that's not and I know you're laughing
because we've talked about so much, but also it's fucking absurd, right,
the absurdity of it and honestly the audacity of it.
Where it's like for people to believe in an ideology
so deeply that they are comfortable and willing to kill
(18:53):
a child for their cause without informing her or Joel
and without knowing that this will work in any way,
shape or form, and running off of generator and battery packs.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
It's a fucking joke. Yeah, it's a yeah, I agree,
that's the situation. That is the moral quandary at the
end of the game, as it were, if you could
even call it a quandary. It seems pretty cut and dry,
although you know, I think we've made some compelling points
over the years to suggest that there is really no
(19:28):
choice at all.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Exactly there was no choice. And interestingly enough, recently, the
Last of Us part or excuse me, the Last of
Us on HBO season two is coming out. We all
know that on April thirteenth, and we're of course going
to talk more about this. But Neil Druckman commented in
an interview, He's like, I wholeheartedly believe Joel was right,
(19:53):
and he kind of emphasized this in a few sentences,
and that's all well and good, But in my mind, like,
why did it take him fucking twelve years to say
this out loud? And maybe he said it before and
I just don't remember. Because whatever, we all know my
feelings about Endy and end But I just what I'm like,
(20:14):
everybody knows that Joel did the right thing, and if
you do not realize that, I think you need to
go back and really examine the whole picture. And this
is not me being upset at anyone or blaming anybody.
I think it's just incredibly shortsighted to just be like no,
they should have done it for the greater good of humanity.
You're missing all of the You're just looking at the
(20:38):
shiny trophy without seeing the fucking row of bodies behind it.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
It just doesn't Yeah, yeah, it's fool's gold. Here's what
I'll say, just as a brief, Just as a brief
addition to that, I believe that when you create a
work of art, and I do consider this a work
of art, that you you do not have to explain yourself.
(21:03):
And so him being silent about it for a number
of years, which I believe is true, Yeah, is totally
fine by me. You shouldn't be tasked with having to
explain every little thing, and I prefer that right when
you have when, if, and when you are called upon
(21:27):
to do that, then maybe. But also remember that so
many things have been made worse when the creators attempt
to explain the right.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, I've seen that happens.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Wow, I'm just saying wow.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I know you mean though, like sometimes the creator will
share the provenance of their muse or their spark or
their idea, and you're like, that's not at all what
I got from that. So whatever you just said, I'm
my throw that in the trash, because that's not and
that can damage sometimes how you see things or receive
(22:07):
them that you've already experienced, which is weird. That's a
weird It's almost like a dissonance when that happens. So
I agree with you. I think creators should just be like,
let it.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Be received, right, I'll say, you know, And here's spoilers
for the last three episodes of Breaking Bad. So if
you haven't seen the show, yeah, I'm gonna do this
in thirty seconds, so on your podcast player, just hit
the plus fifteen twice and I'll be done. Are you
(22:38):
ready go? Somebody floated the idea to Vinskill again that
Heisenberg slash Walt died in the car that he was
in and then the last three episodes were just like
his dream of what happened. And he said, well, that's
just about the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard, and
in the most hilariously Vince Skill voice ever. And that
(23:02):
is when I believe it is okay to say one way,
definitively that that is not what I meant by that,
You know what I'm saying, Yes, when it is taken
so far afield, then I think it's okay, but that's it,
and I hope you're and welcome back everyone. Yeah, so yeah,
(23:23):
that's all.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, I no, I agree with you. I think when
people are just so, when they lean into theories that
have absolutely no basis or grounds correct, it's like, where
did you even fucking come up with this?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
There are things on the internet that we can only
that maybe we don't want to know, but you know,
how do You've had lots of things? How do people
find these things? But they find them and then it's
down the rabbit hole we go. So it's realize some
wonderland situation. That's all. I just wanted to throw those
couple of things out there, but that's that's neat.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, all right, Proceeding more into mister L's email. So
this is the conversation that Joel and Ellie had before
they ended up at the bookstore fighting off all the
hunters there and all that good stuff. So Joel, you
sacrifice the few to save the many, Ellie, that's kind
of fucking shitty. Ellie. Once we're done, will go wherever
(24:17):
you want.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So mister Joel's jumping around to different parts of the
game to further illustrate and illustrate his point here, Joel, Well,
I ain't leave without you, so go. So let's go
wrap this up.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Ellie.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Hey, that's what we can do once we're done, Joel,
what's that, Ellie? You can teach me how to swim. Joel,
you got it. These aren't the exchanges of someone looking
to die again. Completely agree, hard agree, couldn't agree more
all the agreement. Sure, Anna told Ellie to find her
purpose and fight for it. She also told her that
life is worth living. If the fireflies had bothered to
(24:51):
wait for Ellie to regain consciousness and actually explain this,
this massive escalation to her and ask if she would
want to take it that far, it would still be
the wrong thing to do. Giving a blood sample or
a biopsy aren't remotely equivalent to being chucked into the
volcano to appease the CBI God, which that's what we're
(25:13):
gonna call it, the CBI God forever now, so so good.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And getting chucked into a volcano.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
It's so sacrificial, so ritual, mister Joel, I agree. I
think I've never considered like the arguments that we make
for Ellie and the fireflies wanting to kill a child
usually always stop at well, they should have informed her,
they should have informed Joel. They didn't, so fuck them,
and I do absolutely believe that. But it is an
(25:41):
interesting point that Joel writes here. Mister Joel writes here
in that it escalated so massively that even the idea
of waking a fourteen year old child up to say, hey,
you kind of drowned, but we saved your life, but
(26:02):
we kind of have to kill you, but it's for
the greater good. You're going to save everyone maybe possibly,
We're not sure, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
The kind of have to kill you.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Like, It's just it's preposterous to even put that situation
into play, of them telling her what their intentions are.
So it's literally lose lose across the board for the Fireflies,
and and Joel literally took the only route he possibly
could have for Ellie and for him and for I guess,
(26:34):
to prove to the fucking dumb ass fireflies that this
shit was never gonna work anyway. Yeah, it's that was interesting,
mister Joel. I never thought about that actual conversation and
how it might go, But even playing that out in
like a fictional sense, I mean, the whole game is fictional,
but like in an AU fictional sense, it's it's ridiculous,
it's just silly.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, the CBI gods would be like, you're dumb anyway, can't.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
To kill us? You couldn't kill us when you had medicine.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, Now what you're going to do?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I don't know a tool? I don't know either, bean. Also,
you're not going to kill me?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Are God power for me?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Jerry has no power here? Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Okay, it's so garry itzza sorry, so yes, back to
the email. So even sweet gentle Jerry Anderson, the coin
and pregnant zebra in should have said, no, we'd have
to kill her. We need to find another way. But
(27:50):
that would go against the ideology against Deis xmuckin. Ah.
I don't believe Ellie would have been willing to die
again and had anyone bother to ask her. I also
agree here. I think she would have struggled. I think
that either way, Ellie was going to end up with
survivor's guilt for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Sure, but I.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Don't think Ellie, like when Marlene says, she would have
wanted this. Couldn't couldn't disagree more. Again, Marlene didn't know Ellie,
so how could she even make that fucking judgment call?
Yeah ridiculous, Yeah, so many, so many ridiculous. Is anyway
Joel a skipt a sentence? Sorry, but if it wasn't
(28:32):
just Joel gaining a daughter in all of this, Ellie
now had a father in Joel, which is a far
cry from the absentee caretaker that was Marlene exactly, And
there's something to fight for became each other. So imagine
and I think I've talked about this, Oh my god,
once upon a time, maybe on Twitter. I don't even
(28:53):
fucking know.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
But imagine if Joel was allowed in that hospital room
during that conversation, and he had enough belief in this
cure himself to listen to the firefly's bullshit and let
Ellie listen to the fireflies bullshit. I don't. Ellie would
basically be saying, I know everything that had happened to
(29:20):
you with your daughter, and I'm sorry for that, but
now you're also going to lose me. But in the
same sense, I'm also going to lose the only parent
I've ever had. No, there's no way any of this
would happen. God, it's so fucking stupid to even like
think this far in advance. My brain is like melting.
It's like, stop, Jack, just this is stupid writing. So yeah,
(29:46):
so can Joel had demonstrated a fierce devotion to Ellie
by this time that I don't believe she would have
been able to completely dismiss. There you go just said that.
He summed it up in fewer words and better, So
thank you, mister Joel. The flashback seen in part two
puts on a good show of how Marlene and Jerry
were apparently struggling with the decision. Puts on a good show. Yeah,
(30:07):
I love it. It wouldn't have been that much of
a struggle for people who were weren't blinded by their ideology.
Of course, this was again to show what a super
guy Jerry was for Abby's story. Oh, I'm actually not
going to comment on this because this I want to
talk about in depth when we get to it in
(30:29):
part two, because it's going to be a lengthy conversation
that one.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I'm looking forward to it already.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, it sounds like it, boy, I can I can
hear the excitement. So also, also, it's only in part two,
when Joel tells Ellie the truth that suddenly Ellie's not
so much made that Joel lied, but that he didn't
leave her to die. That always seemed a bit off
to me. Clearly in service to part two story dais
(30:58):
ex machina. I just I'm going to create a choir
and just we'll add that as a button. I will
sing all the parts.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
You could put that in a Yeah, we could program
that in logic to actually, yeah, that'll be good.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
So Marlene's journal. Now we're back to some dural entries.
They look at me, and I know what they're thinking,
that we're a bunch of incompetent grunts. Hey, yeah, because
you are. I failed you, Anna, I failed all of us.
I am an incompetent grunt. I can't stand talking to
any of them. I don't think I can take the
stairs any longer. No way, stairs as in people staring,
(31:35):
not like stairs as in go upstairs. Yeah, no way
that I can stay here. So Marlene can redeem herself
in the eyes of the fireflies and offload this obligation
to her dead friend. Why not Ellie's conveniently this orphan
that they think no one's going to miss Marlene Shore
won't she was going to hand Ellie off to Robert,
(31:56):
of all people, good looking out Marlene for fock's sake.
And again Robert, beginning of part one, who was a
piece of shit? And uh yeah, again this just doubles
down and triples down on how bad Marlene was really
as a person, Like she was just rotten to hercord
and so swept up in the ideology that nothing else
(32:17):
existed beyond that, and now she's living in her You know,
I can't stay here because I failed, and they don't
respect me because you're a fucking the idiot.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
We've all been there, who among us.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
So good old hands in the fucking air. Ethan just
attacks Joel as he's trying to revive Ellie and Marlene.
Sorry about the motions to indicate Joel's gift from our buddy, Ethan.
They didn't know who you were, Ethan. Again, knock them
out after or knocked Joel out after Ellie had drowned. Yeah,
and uh so we're kind of bouncing around this hospital scene,
(32:54):
but really, question Mark, they had no clue, Marlene's journal reads.
One of our scouts just radioed in he spotted an
older man and a younger girl entering the tunnel by
the bus terminal. He thinks she might have red hair,
but he's not sure. What if it's her? And mister
Joel says, what if it's her? Who else is it
(33:15):
going to be? Did you get a lot of older
men with younger girl pedestrian traffic in the tunnels around
the hospital?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Okay? Now, in fairness, sure months it's been months.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, But even still to sit there and say, what
if it's her? When the description of Joel and Ellie
almost matched to a t is abduse.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Well, here's all I'll say is if it was Marlene
who had spotted them then and her if that was
the case, and then she was like is that them?
Then I'd be like, well this is but this is
just some random guy, you know what I'm saying. I
guess so I tell you, like, hey, if I tell
(34:01):
you at any moment now, a package will be delivered
to our house. Sure, And then three months go by
and no package is delivered, and then all of a sudden,
the ups truck pulls up out front. You're not thinking, like,
maybe this is that package that Andrew was talking about
through you know what I'm saying. I guess that's all
(34:24):
I'm saying. I would just that part. I'll just give
them a little bit of grace because I have a
bad memory.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
No, I don't know. I think in a world where
packages and people are rarely delivered or arrive, I think
it's safe to assume to an extent, to a greater
extent than you might have otherwise.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
No, but again, I think the first assumption is this
is danger, and then we can go to the backup
assumption of maybe this is the world savior. You know.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I I don't push back.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I'm not pushing back on much in this email. I
feel like this are all really well articulated. Just this
one thing. I'm like, I'll give them, I'll let the
fireflies have this.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
No, I won't. I'm not giving them nothing nothing.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Hey, you know what, you know what? Fair enough?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Fair enough? So all right, surgeon's recorder the cause of
her immunity is uncertain. So that was the quote. Seems
like you were so confident in the outcome this uncertainty
wouldn't bear mentioning makes me question their competence, makes me
question their confidence competence too, Mister Joel and Marlene's recorder too.
(35:45):
I just gave the okay to go ahead with the surgery.
I really doubt I had much of a choice. Asking
me was more of a formality. So the tail is
wagging the dog apparently. Yes, I fucking love that expression,
and I do not hear it enough. Oh man. Any
altruism that may have existed in the origins of the
(36:06):
firefly ideology is most likely gone, if not severely perverted
at this point. I agree. If they had managed to
create a cure without fucking it up, they would have
leverage slash weaponized it, as Jack has mentioned. More likely though,
once news got out that they had found it, they
would have been overrun by Fedra or whoever else got
(36:26):
there first. Inclosing, in conclusion, fuck you Ethan, a gunshot
was too good for you, Joel, let you off easy,
and fuck you Jerry Slash Bruce, don't kill kids, and
don't try to get between an Ellie and her Joel,
and fuck you Marlene. Anna would have been disgusted anyways.
Thanks for my favorite podcast about my favorite thing, Joel
(36:50):
parentheses The Ghost of Mister What.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Your first name is the ghost of mister and last
name is Joel?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Oh that was. See, there was no way I was
not reading that email.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
It was way too good, and obviously it doubles down
on a lot of how I feel. So I'm gonna
lean into it, you know, I don't want to hear
anyone like, well, of course you're going to read it, Jack,
because it reaffirms everything that you fucking say, yes, like yeah,
I love.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
When people confirm my thoughts. Coffee is very good for you.
You can never drink enough.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
No, no, you can be careful.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
You can antioxidants all the time.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Andrew loves coffee very very much, so he's trying to
convince him of that. So somebody write in coffee? Is
somebody write in and just tell him that it's a motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Listen coffee.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I love it. Coffee, I love it.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Oh my god, that's me.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah. So, mister Joel, thank you so much for writing in.
It was really wonderful. I mean, you have been support
hoarding our show, I think the longest.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I think you and Mari are our two veteran supporters. Yeah,
and I very much appreciate you, all of you very much.
So it was just wonderful to finally to receive an
email from you and then talk about it on air.
So yeah, thank you so much, thank.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
You, Miss Joe. Yeah, or thank you Joel Kama, the
ghost of mister Yes, that must make paperwork a nightmare.
That is a very long first name.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
It was actually parenthetical. So no, I'm just yeah, stop,
it's a joke.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Stop. Sorry, I got one. I want to read one.
This is a quick one, but in the service of
keeping the episode to tidy not running on I know
that's not what everybody wants, trust me, but here we go.
This one comes from Mikey's Mixed Gaming. Mikey's Mix Gaming
(39:01):
MMG says love your show and just wanted to write
in because I heard you talking about Voodoo Donuts. Hell yeah,
they started in Portland, Oregon, where the slogan is keep
Portland Weird, so you can see how it makes sense
that they have such a unique menu of donuts. Anyways,
been listening to your TLU podcast since the beginning and
they are great. Miikey's Mixed Gaming, thank.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
You, Yeah, thank you so much. And Doomsday Dave actually
wrote recently too about the Voodoo Donuts and through DM
and I shared very quickly. I was like we are
going back down to Universals Orlando in October, and that
(39:45):
is going to be the first day stop, not the
last day, as we're going to the fucking airport stop.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Wow, it could be because you know, I'm into that
baby Live Moss as they say.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I'm into it. You're speaking my language. So yes, hash
sagging through two totals.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, keep Orlando weird also, you know, so and a
couple of the airports that they're also featured in for
some reason. So there it is. Yeah, I think that's it.
I think that's it. I think we did. We did
a lot. We had a really lengthy, in depth email,
and we had a really nice short email that just
kind of a little bit more recent and topical. And
(40:28):
now we will do a couple more episodes, you know,
alternating between those two things, a really long and in
depth thing and maybe just a nice and short one.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah. I do have a question to pose, and this
is something that we've never done before. But Erica had
a question because she's her and her girlfriend are replaying
the Last of Us Part one and also rewatching season
one in prep for season two, and the question was
(41:00):
about the monkeys at the university. Sure, running around the lab,
So she said, whose monkeys were they? How old were they?
Were they brought in from somewhere else? Who had gotten them?
And I always believed that they were the fireflies, test
(41:20):
subjects for whatever they were trying to concoct on any
given day. However, I don't I can't quite figure out
where they would have gotten them from, because I mean,
maybe the zoo, But wouldn't those monkeys have perished after
twenty years? Or are these monkeys the descendants of the
(41:43):
apes that lived at the zoo? Because we have drafts.
It was a good question and not something that you
and I talked about on the show when we were
covering that. So I'm just going to put that out
there in the universe, in our Wayfar and Strangers universe.
And if anyone has a information about that, because I
have not googled. I like to come up with ideas
(42:05):
on my own before I learned what other people say.
And two, if you have your own ideas about that,
I know that Erica would absolutely love to have a
portion of a future show dedicated to this. So just
to monkeys, Yeah, where like, where did they come from?
Who let them out? Why were they running around I
(42:25):
mean they were young. They were younger monkeys, So where
where the fuck did they Where did they come from?
What were they testing on these monkeys? What were they
going to test? Like, there's a lot of questions here,
And presumably they were trying to infect them with CBI,
but maybe it just didn't take or it just didn't
jump from species to spe I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
I think some of that. I think I remember that
some of them were infected, like one of that. Wasn't
there an audio.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Thing, No, doesn't Joel say don't let them bite you
or touch you or something?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I can't remember that. I just thought that there was
either an audio thing or a uh yeah, either a
recorder or an entry like a text like a journal
entry that said one of the guys got bit and
then like killed himself or something like.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
That, Oh you're I don't remember exactly, but it's unclear
if the monkeys.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Maybe that was an overreaction on his part because I
we didn't see any infected monkeys. No, they were. It
wasn't like they had the plates coming out of their
head or anything like that, and they, like I feel
like an infected like monkeys would not hang around a
clearly infected monkey. Like they'd be like, oh, that guy
(43:43):
is weird. We're not gonna hang We don't hang out.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
With They probably bashed him or beat him to death.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Probably they you know, they're cold, they're cold as ice.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yes, they are so strong as shit.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
So that's uh, yeah, the origin of the monkey's interesting.
You know.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, they are in.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Labs, right, you know, but I feel like we test
what we test on monkeys is not It could also
just be a nod to outbreak.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Sure, I guess I'm just hung up on where the
fuck did they come from?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
They were always there.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
They would have died if they were in their cages
for twenty years, they would have starved to death after
like a week.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
No, no, no, they were always there and.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Taken care of who was taking care of them the university.
Oh my god, I mean now, but then we got
to go back and think about the entries from the
students who were there, because some of the students got
like trapped at the university and kept saying like, oh,
we're you know, there's help on the way, there's help
on the way, and then eventually no help ever came,
and they all got infected and killed each other except
(44:41):
for the remaining clickers that Joel ends up killing in
the dorms. But it's yeah, I might have to replay
that section to go through all of the ancillary materials
left about because I just don't know where they came from.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
If you release you know, it's an interesting it's an
interesting thought exercise. If you release monkeys into the wild,
if say they escaped from the zoo, right, sure, our
monkeys equipped to live in the climate of Colorado or
the surrounding areas. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Maybe I don't know, but I think that they are
intelligent enough to find someplace indoors like the lab, to stay,
to be safe.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
That's what I'm saying. So you know, the direst.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Epers recently, Up until recently, the lab was full of
firefly scientists and the monkeys are.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Like, you stay over there and we'll stay over here.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
In our cages. They were in cages, so one where
did they come from? Who let them out? Like? Oh, so, Erica,
thank you for bringing this to our attention. People listening
at home, share your thoughts with us because I want
to know, and.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Stay tuned for our six episode run where we dive
in to where the monkeys come from. In an attempt
to put off talking about you guessed that the last
of us Part two.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
I'm not trying to put nothing. Uh huh so, oh
my god. Thank you guys so much for hanging out
with us, and we hope that you enjoyed the fireflies
shaming and some lamming today. Thank you Joel, Thank you
(46:24):
mister Joel. And uh yeah, we we're again. Sorry this
is a little late, but something's happened this week and
anniversaries and so on and so far. So here we are.
But if you guys would like to follow us on
some social media's, you can do that over on Blue Sky,
at Telu podcast or Instagram. At Telu Podcasts, I'm slowly
(46:47):
more active over there. If you'd like to be on
a future email show writing about monkeys or staff I
don't know, you can do that at Telu podcast at
gmail dot com. If you would like to support us,
hang out with some really cool people, or over on
coffee get some pre show post show shenanigans from Andrew
(47:08):
and I. You can do that at kodash fi dot
com slash Telu podcast and the last cast will return
in about two weeks, so if you guys haven't listened
to season one yet. Now's your time to catch up
and enjoy that because it's long. They're long episodes, and
(47:31):
next week we'll be back with another bonus show again.
Now we have six emails left, so that's exciting, and
some special announcements. As always, thank you to our wonderful
coffee friends. We have the Ghost of Mister Joel Mari, Kiara,
Dustin T wander On, Brian Jim Zidrake, Kelsey, Kryptoni and
Jedi seventy nine not thirty nine, Ozzy, Ozzie Ellie, a
(47:56):
Lurker atreyas Late nine to ten, Climatize eighty to Zombie
Tom thirty nine, Vaded Jader, jess our end baby, that
sound like that hurt?
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Nope, not at all. I am a I'm a vocal professional.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yes, yep, you are a babe. Good job. I love it.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
We did it? Also, yes, we did do it?
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Oh my god. So well, then you should have known
where the monkeys came from.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Okay, I'm not that kind of doctor.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Anyway, shout out, I know. I gave the shout out
to Leo, who was an artist on coffee a strand
of gold. So it's ko dash Fi dot com slash
a strand of gold. I received my Joel print with
a lovely little note and the outside packaging had beautiful
golden black ferns drawing on it. I took some pictures
I'm going to share with you guys on Instagram. Shortly.
(48:55):
It was beautiful. Thank you so much, Leo. I love
your artwork. I will be purchasing more and you guys
should go and check out the page. So yeah, but
have a great week, stay safe, go for a walk
to get yourself some sunshine and some fresh air if
you are able to. It is wonderful for your mental health.
(49:19):
Can confirm drink more water because I know you effin
didn't drink enough today. Neither have I. I'm guilty too
of this. And uh, we talked about donuts, we talked
about ice cream. You know what, get yourself a choro.
You might have to work a little harder to find
one of those, depending on where you live, but I
believe in you.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I'll be just recommending pastries at the end of episode now.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah, until we run out of that, and then I'll
start recommending wine or something. But dan, Yeah, thank you guys,
and we'll be back next week see yuh gofing
Speaker 2 (50:07):
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