May 1, 2025 • 63 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, hello everybody, this is wayfair and strangers and I
am Jack, and as always I'm joined by Andrew.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hello there, Oh it's you this week and Joel surprise
y Hi. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I always trust you, Joel, don't worry. Yeah, so we uh.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's like seven forty one yeah, oh my god, we have.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
To do that the end of the show. Please remember,
write it on a posty or something post poststy.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I don't even I don't even have a posty down
here is that?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Like? How does that work?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
This is not a pasty. Get your mind out of that. Getta.
But I have hundreds of Look did you? Did everyone
hear that? I have hundreds of post it and a thousands.
So I'm going to write it down. Coffee jewel sound
coffee there it is? God, all right, I'm gonna keep
(01:34):
it in front of me and so the whole show,
so I don't forget and watch me fucking forget.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Because you like coffee jewels and I needed to do
something with coffee. Oh, I got to brew my coffee
for tomorrow. Yeah, because I love the way Joel sounds,
got it?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And I want to drink coffee while listening to jewel. Honestly,
that sounds like me. Yeah, that sounds like me. Oh
my goodness. But hello everybody. I know I said that
at the beginning of the show, but hello, how is
everyone doing? This week has been chaos and I feel
(02:13):
here's the thing. I don't know if anybody can pick
up on this, but I feel like our Wayfair shows
have felt like an adrenaline rush because the last cast
episodes are so long and draining to an extent that
(02:35):
when we get to Wayfaring, I'm like, oh, like rip
rorn and ready to go, but also exhausted. So that
is that? Can people hear that? I'm just curious?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Let me know, I mean I feel it. I think
it comes through you know, like, hey everyone, it's the
last cast.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I don't sound do I sound like that over on
the lips?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Care No, no, no, that's me because I know we're
in for a five to nine hour episode, you know.
So I start off, God, I start off at two,
and we make maybe get up to five out of ten.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
That is not true. That is not true true, that's
not that's that is a false false.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I can't give anything less than one hundred percent. It's
my fatal flaw. I care too much. Yeah, what are
your weaknesses? I care too much. My weaknesses are that
I have too many strengths. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I'm not sorry. I but yeah, we're actually recording wayfar
and ahead of the last cast this week because we
run out of time between some family events. I am
only about a quarter of the way through the notes
as of recording this, and then Andrew's out all morning
and afternoon tomorrow for work, so I will get all
(03:59):
that done and hopefully we can and record tomorrow night
if he's not dead on his feet. But we'll see,
we'll see how it cost, we'll see. But yeah, it's
it's been a ride. I can't believe that we're, you know,
getting to the end of our emails, getting to the
midway point of the season already. Like this, shit is
(04:20):
going fast. Everything is going fast. But that also means
that we will be getting back to our review shows,
which I think a lot of people are excited for,
or I hope people are excited for, because I miss it.
Like part of the last cast episode this week was
in Joel's house, and you know, I have to do
my thing where I talk about everything that I see
(04:42):
and the objects and the decor and this, that and
the other. So that was a little bit of a
different vibe for the note taking for the last cast
this week, and it just made me think of when
we get to Joel's house in part two and all
the conversation we're going to have surrounding that, which will
be difficult for me undoubtedly, but still a beautiful experience
(05:05):
to go through and just see all the details and
be a part of that and share that with everyone.
So I'm excited. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But that's enough excitement.
Let's get to the emails, and would you like to
go first? We have one long email left and then
a few smaller ones. So do you want to do
(05:28):
the long one and I take the rest? Or do
you want me to do the long one and you
take the rest? I got it?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Here we go, let's go get a stretch in here.
All right?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Here it is. Do some calisthenics.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, it's from our good from someone named.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
O zz Why.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Ozzbourne Oswald Ozzie, No, it's from Ozzie.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
What's up? Oz Man? The Blizzard of Oz. This is
from March second, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
The Blizzard of Oz I love that.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Oh that was the name of one of his greatest hits,
Ozzy Osbourne's greatest hits albums.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I can't remember now I feel stupid. I know some
Ozzy o.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
That's only why I said it.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
But yeah, yeah, Black Sabbath, but not everything. So don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Why would you know? Why would you know about his
like one of ten greatest hits albums that just randomly
came out in like the nineties, you know? So sure,
I don't expect anyone to have gotten that reference. So
and I take like the Blizzard of Oz.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Sure he made it. We go, I made it up,
made it up.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Edit that part out where I corrected and gave credit.
It's mine. I've never heard that before. So hey, I
would just like to talk about how I connect to
the Last of Us and what the game and story
as a whole means to me. Now, this story is
about love and what it does to people, the good
(07:12):
and the bad. We know this, and he talks about
this a lot. YadA, YadA, YadA. I don't have any children,
so the parental themes of this story don't really connect
with me, at least as a parent. I can definitely
sympathize with Ellie being a child of Joels. More about
this later. I connect to this game because of the
underlying theme of brotherhood and in parentheses kind of at
(07:36):
least what I picked up. Neil has talked about his
love of comic books and how he picked that up
from his older brother. So I think my points may
have merit. But tell me what you think. I'm very
interesting to tell Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Well, I just had a quick comment that I'm very
interested to see where this goes, because we view a
lot of the things that we talk about on Wayfarers
strangers through the lens of a parent, and not so
much as a sibling or even a child view anymore. So,
I just like one of the emails that we read
(08:12):
a few months ago from the perspective of and at
the time a fourteen fifteen year old who is now
eighteen and going into college and such. It was interesting
to have that opinion through a different lens that we
have not we would have never had the opportunity to
experience that way because of when this game came out.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, that's true, all right, let's keep rolling here. Joel
calls Tommy baby brother. This leads me to believe that
their age difference is significant, maybe five to ten years apart.
When the last of us came out. I had still
have an er step brother who is nine years older
than me.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I had.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
That's like that old Mitch Hedberg joke. I used to
do drugs. I still do drugs, but I used to too.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, good Lord.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
An older stepbrother nine years older than me, and I
should say he is my brother. My stepdad has played
a very large role in my life and is a
prominent father figure to me. My older brother had a
kid at a fairly young age, and so I became
an uncle at a fairly young age. Similar to Tommy,
my older brother and I tend to get into arguments
pretty easily. We love each other, but we bicker. Him
(09:27):
and I used to be very close, and we still
are to an extent. However, I only see him about
once a month, and that's either at our grandmother's house
or at a local arcade where we usually just bump
into one another. I feel like this is similar to
Tommy and Joel's relationship, except Tommy and Joel have a
big falling out. In the beginning of the game, you
can almost sense a tension between the two that is
(09:49):
almost unspoken, but it's there and they both know that
it is there. It's interesting, It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
This is an interesting topic. Thank you Ozzie also for
sharing just a little bit about your life and giving
us just to peek behind the curtain of the blizzard
of Oz's life. I agree with you. I think that
the age gap between Tommy and Joel. I always put
it between like six to seven years in my head,
(10:17):
which is similar. Like my older sister is about six
years older than I am, and her and I did
not get along very well growing up, and it was
very I would even go so far as to say
like acrimonious for quite a while, like are Einstein is Jesus?
(10:40):
It was very It was just incredibly I wouldn't say
tense or you know. We still loved each other very
much our whole lives, so it was never a question
of love or trust or support, you know, but in
a lot of ways. And I my sister and I
are very close now. She how old am I'm forty one,
(11:01):
she's forty seven, And we had our children seven months
apart from each other, so we got to share that
experience that was very unique and different to what you
experienced with your older brother Ozzie. But I think there's
something inherently special between siblings who are not like Irish
(11:21):
twins like Andrew and his younger sister are like almost
on the cusp of Irish twindom. Right you are. You
and your sister are about a year and what ten
months apart, Like that's you were still in diapers when
your sister was born. That's very close. So your relationship
(11:42):
with Denise, I feel like, has always been good. There
hasn't ever been that kind of like I don't fucking
like you, Like I love you, but I don't fucking
like you because we are so different and we were
born we were born just enough time apart that the
thing that my older sister liked I couldn't get into
(12:04):
because I was too young, or the things that I
was into she thought were too kitty, you know what
I'm saying. So it's like that gap definitely makes a
difference between siblings, for sure, But then you reach an
age where everything just kind of comes together and it
doesn't matter anymore how many years are apart from you,
(12:25):
and whatever you bickered about or whatever you've thought about,
it's just literally gone, and they essentially become not only
your again. This is like from a healthy perspective. Not
every family has a healthy functioning component to it. There
are many dysfunctional families. Many siblings hate each other. I
understand this. I'm speaking from my own personal experience, but
(12:48):
like my sister and I love each other very much.
She will always be my older sister, but she's also
one of my best friends, you know, and I can
rely on her if I need her and she comes
to me and she doesn't listen to this podcast, but
if she ever does, Sis, I love you, But I
would say more often than not, I'm I've been her
(13:10):
keeper my whole life. And I'm not going to get
into the reasons behind that, but one sibling certainly turns
into like my brother's keeper or my sister's keeper, that
kind of vibe where one just can take care of
and handle and care for the other one just a
little bit more. And I think that that was my
(13:32):
role from a very early age, because there would be
moments where I would take the blame because she couldn't
handle my dad's temper, or she couldn't handle the coldness
from our mom. Sometimes if something went you know, the
way it shouldn't have with breaking something in the house
or not doing tours or this that whatever. So I
would always kind of take on that responsibility even though
(13:55):
I'm the younger sibling, and I think when you look
at this, I'm talking a lot, and then you can
put in your own two cents when you look at
the last of us. I do think that Joel was
Tommy's keeper to an extent. And when Joel became a father, see,
and this is why I disliked the age change in
(14:16):
the show and even the game a little bit. They
aged him up when they did the remake. The remake,
I always felt that Joel was about sixteen seventeen years
old when he had Sarah. And if you think it
like that means that Tommy was like ten or eleven
when he became an uncle, and that is older brother
(14:37):
territory almost and less uncle. Sure, so's it changes all
of these dynamics. But then when you get to the show,
Joel was like twenty one twenty two when he had Sarah,
and then that means Tommy was like fifteen sixteen, so
he's still young, but he's not ten eleven young. So yeah,
(14:58):
I just I didn't like the aging up. I felt
like it took something away from Joel as a father
and struggling and his relationship with his brother. But then
when you get to the conversation about the tension, one
hundred percent, there was some massive blowout between Tommy and Joel.
But they still love each other so much that that's
(15:20):
what matters. Yeah, So as unhealthy as their relationship might
have been for a period of time, or how difficult
or estranged, they still found their way back to each other.
And I'm very grateful for that that they had that
time before you know what happens to Joel in part two.
But yeah, anyway, all right, so that's my spiel. I
(15:43):
don't really have anything to add, you know, you know,
I think you can because it's very your again, your
relationship with your sister. I mean, you're very similar people
and similar humor, and but I would say that you
are are you are the keeper careful out of the
(16:04):
two of you. Yeah, I would say that careful, careful.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Okay, Yeah, so moving on.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
With the Ozzi here, no opinion on that. Good Again,
this is Andrew and the I don't want to talk
about my personal life. I try am I a keeper,
you know.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Comment below, comment and Spotify let us know if you
think I'm the keeper.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
They don't know that you would only be the one
to say that that's the joke. Oh all right, listen
to the awkward laughter. Andrew's like, can we just read
the fucking email?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yes, Sam and Henry are two brothers.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You're wonderful. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Them and Henry are two brothers who are roughly ten
or so years apart in age. I also have a
younger brother. He is eleven years younger than me. There
are exactly ten days in the year where him, my
older brother, and I are all ten years apart. Oh,
that's interesting. Me and my younger brother are not very close.
(17:18):
I get the feeling that Henry and Sam are also
not very close in the way where they are friendly
with another. It's hard to explain. I love him very much,
and we are very similar in our interests in quirks,
we just don't get along for that reason. Henry almost
feels the need to protect his brother and obviously had
a more parental role to Sam as any older brother is.
(17:42):
I definitely feel the need to protect my baby brother,
and I really connect to Henry on that level. Especially
since I am similar age to Henry, maybe a little younger.
I don't know, off the top of my head. More brothers,
more examples of brothership.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, well, he talks about in paragraph one the brotherhood
of the Last of Us, so it's very specific to
say because we've got a couple good examples so far. Yeah,
but you know, I'm not a man and I don't
have a brother, So I'm going to give my closest
example being a sister, and I feel like that's very similar.
But women imagine like a brother, but like a female brother.
Does that make sense? Oh? My god, only was a word,
(18:23):
If only there was a concept that we could just grasp.
But yeah, I agree. I think. Well, Henry was about
twenty five and Sam was probably like ten ish ten
eleven ish, Yeah, maybe eleven or twelve, So let's just
(18:43):
say eleven. So there's a fourteen year gap because Henry
said that he was five years old when the CBI
outbreak happened, and it was twenty years later, so that
makes him twenty five. And so Henry had a little
bit of experience, probably not a crystal clear memory of
things that happened during that time, but he was still
(19:04):
alive when shit hit the fan. Yeah, so, and whatever
happened to their parents, like on a very detailed scope
we're not privy to, but he is one hundred percent
in a parental role for his younger brother. So they
don't have the brotherhood camaraderie or the support system that
(19:26):
brothers would have if they were closer in age, but
they do have that love and connection and protection. And
even though Sam is young, I still think that is
a part of him too, Like, even though, oh, my
brother's twenty five and I'm only eleven, Like, he would
still do whatever he could to protect his brother, even
if even if Henry was screaming at him to do
(19:49):
the polar opposite of that. You know, that is just
a sibling thing again, healthy relationships. Please don't come after
me if you're like, well, me and my sibling haven't
talked in thirty two years. Jack, You're wrong, No, I'm
talking fu. Yeah, that is just I'm sorry. If that's
the case for you, you should.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Probably just give them a call and figure it out.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
No, you don't know what happened. You can't make those call.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
You literally can't make those I'm left on this earth,
you know, you know I.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Agree, but you don't know the extent of what people
do to each other sometimes.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Okay, can we agree that if it was stupid, give me.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Oh yeah, if it's stupid, give them a call. Stop that,
stop that fucking nonsense. But if it's not stupid, then
you keep on doubling down and just ignore for the
rest of your life. Anyway, So I again, I don't Ozzie,
I don't know your exact age. I think you are
a little younger than Henry, but I'm not one hundred
percent and that's not for me to talk about, so
(20:48):
I won't do that. But that is a your parents
had children for a while. I'm curious to know how
that was. Well, the older, you.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Do, the older is a step brother, I think.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, but he still calls him his brother, and yeah,
his stepfather is an integral part of his life.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
We've got we've got three generations, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Well, here's the deal. I'll say this ten years is
like you and your sister, right are you See? You
could be born to I will just say you could
be born like three years apart and have a completely
different experience of the world.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You know what. I'm sure you know.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
So it doesn't even ten six years, ten years, right,
we're talking about it's a completely different upbringing.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It's a decade. Yeah. I mean, not only have you
had literally ten eleven years under your belt to experience
the world and your parents, but now your parents have
to start over again with an infant, and you get
to see them as that kind of parent, which is
completely Parenting a newborn is completely different than parenting a
(22:06):
teenager or a twenty something year old, which that Ozzie's
parents were doing all of that at this simultaneously. So
I'm tired. I'm tired for your parents. Ozzy. Hell, yeah,
that's great. That's great. Yeah, it is great.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
We're going to bring it home. Here's the final paragraph here.
As for what I said in the opening paragraph, Joel
takes on the role of a surrogate father for Ellie
while I still have a father who is active in
my life. My stepdad most definitely is my dad, and
I connect to Ellie on that level, and Joel is
Ellie's dad, and I just do not care what other
(22:42):
people have to say about that. My stepdad is similar
to Joel as in don't talk about your feelings and
being closed off as he is an older gen xer.
Him and I got into a fairly emotional fight slash
argument thing when I was around fifteen when I played
this game. After that, oh boy, that point in part
(23:04):
one where they are fighting at the ranch house in
Jackson and even in part two at the hospital hits
me like a freight train. Anyways, thank you guys for
reading my email. I love your show and listening to
it is one of the highlights of my week. And
then we just have a little PostScript here mi y'all
add PostScript ps. I am sorry for the somewhat rambling email.
(23:26):
I hope it reaches you all.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Well. That was not rambling whatsoever. It was paced perfectly, Ozzy.
Let's go to the Going back to this last paragraph
I'm going to talk about it's a little surprising that
the statement here of Joel is Ellie's dad, and I
don't care what other people have to say about that.
I'm curious to what people interpret Joel to be in
(23:53):
Ellie's life, if not her father figure. And this is
one of those things where I know everyone certainly has
their own opinions, and I'm not discounting anything, and I'm
not trying to change anything. I know I come off
as a blowhard and very passionate, but like, I never
want to. I'm just trying to share where I'm at
and what I think. It's never like you have to
(24:15):
fucking believe this thing or stop listening to my show. No,
that's never the intention. But I've had this conversation with
Erica where it's like, do you perceive Joel as a
father figure or more of a protector slash guide almost
throughout this life but whittling it down to a companion,
(24:42):
like somebody that doesn't necessarily parent her but guides her
or is there to spend time with her watching Curtis
and Viper movies, going out on patrol and having conversations
about Savage Starlight. He's not necessarily sitting her down and
having the parent conversations that say you and I would
(25:05):
with our daughter. Sure like, and I can see the
argument for both sides. I am in the father figure camp,
but I understand people who might say Ellie view Joel
Moore as a older even a very much older brother
or companion to just have some presence in her life
(25:30):
that is a permanent, and he teaches her how to
survive in this world. He with with weapons and maybe
fucking animals and you know, just how to fucking dress
a deer, you know, like and so on and so forth,
like those kind of things. But he's not sitting down
(25:52):
and having the hard conversations that some sometimes as parents,
and oftentimes depending on the a of your child, you
have to do. You know, we have a sixteen year
old and we have conversations quite often, her and I
because I'm in that mindset now where I'm like, she's
going to college in two years where I'm not going
(26:13):
to be around every single day to be like, are
you taking care of X y Z? Are you watching
your six Like are you aware of your surroundings? You know,
gut instincts and college as a whole and how to
succeed in that, Like these are all lessons that parents
should imbue their children with and more Obviously I'm not
(26:34):
talking about everything, but like, we don't see that happening
with the last of us, But in my heart, I
feel like certain things have absolutely happened off screen. And
that's why I lean more towards the father figure because
how could he not see Ellie that way? How could
Ellie not see him that way?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
M h I think specifically him, Like as this, if
we're just talking about like who saved who, they saved
each other in a way, you know, but absolutely, quite literally,
he saved her in a I mean quite literally, she
saved him too. So it goes both ways. I'm just
you know, if we're talking about the big inciting incident
of this game, of the game in part one, at
(27:19):
least he saved her from actual yeah, like and momentarily
you will be dead, right, Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
But she did do that with him when he was impaled.
That's true. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, So again, I mean, it goes both ways. I
would have to you'd have to make a very strong argument.
There's there's that saying, like we have there's the family
that you're born with and then the family you choose.
So at minimum, they are chosen family. Yes, family, very minimum.
(27:54):
So that's kind of where I come down on it.
I'm like, and realistically, they get into these like little bickery,
I mean not a little vickery, but you know, they
get into situations that really only family, can you know
what I'm saying, Like, Oh, no, one can hold a
grudge quite like somebody in your own family. Oh, nobody
(28:17):
knows the words and things to say to hurt you
quite like your own family exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
And and Ozzie brought up the ranch conversation yeah at
in Jackson and part and the conversation outside of Saint
Mary's Hospital in part two, and that I think those
two moments paired with what happened in Todd's restaurant and
the baby girl comment, Yeah, like these are direct, Like
(28:44):
it's evidence that that's how he saw her. Calling her
baby girl is exactly what he called his daughter. Yes,
he's not looking at Ellie as a companion like, oh,
I'm just your protector. I'm not your parent, you know,
and even yeah, yeah, you're my fucking cargo like that,
we've moved so far beyond that, and even going to
(29:08):
the ranch conversation in to or specifically him saying, you know,
you're not my daughter, and I sure as hell. And
your dad like he knew in that moment because he
was a father to a child who died. He knew
in that moment what Ellie needed, but he was not ready,
(29:30):
and he said the thing to hurt her the most,
which goes back to what you just said. Our family
knows how to cut us down quicker and harder and
faster than anybody else on earth. That's correct. Yes, so yeah,
I'm again I'm not trying to discount anyone's opinions. We
all believe and feel what we want, and I'm I'm
(29:52):
glad for that because the game is so complex and
so complicated the story as a whole, that it gives
people this. And there are many people out there who've
never had a father figure, who've never had a father,
who've never had a mother, or siblings who don't who
can't view this story because they have no experience with
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that m and I would never want to make them
feel alienated or push back on what they got from
this story that they latched onto and fully believe in. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
So yeah, well said, well said.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
But thank you, Ozzie. I love your email, Ozzie. Well done. Yes,
same with Discord buddy. Yeah, I will see you on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, and for the three times that you pop into
Discord a year.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Isn't it great? Hey? Hey you do.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
We're all on a journey. We're all on different journeys,
so this is your journey.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah. I do love I do love popping in ever
so happy to see you I know it's such a
wonderful feeling, thank you all for when you just like
receive me so well. But I just I get overwhelmed
quickly because I'm like, oh my god, there's so many
messages that I'm so far behind on. I'm never going
(31:16):
to catch up. Bye ye Yes, that's what happens in
my brain. So it's not that I don't want to
interact or be a part of the community that we
are building and have built and you have built and
everyone else with you, but it's just overwhelming for me.
I am whelmed. Yeah, you are whelmed. I am in
a constant state of overwhelmed. Sorry, I leaned all the
(31:38):
way back to fix my sock welmed. Yeah uh and
real quick jumping ahead just a little bit to April tenth,
Ozzie sent in a quick little follow up and wrote
post PostScript, try a real quissant if you have them
in your area. They are amazing and I wish I
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could have them every day. Hell yeah, so question about
real croissants?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Sure do you think? As we all know, I am French, so.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
I mean, listen, my full name is Jacqueline. That's a
French ass name, so I know I have a story
asking me about croissants for No, I'm not asking you
about the croissant itself, but more the endeavor to find
or track down a genuine croissant. And where might we
find that? Do you think because Wegmans has an incredible bakery? Sure?
(32:38):
Do you think that that would suffice? Uh? Yeah? Probably?
I mean, or do we have to go to France? Yeah?
I mean, I feel like you got to go to France?
You know. Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
If I was in France, I would die because all
I would eat are pastry. I would not have any
actual food. I would just be eating pastries. And as
I understand it, that's how the French do it as well.
But I feel like it would be like everything would
(33:10):
be My blood sugar would spike to the point where
my body can no longer do the tasks that it
needs to do, and then I would fall into the
sin and that would be the end of me. And
it's fine, and I'd I'd be okay with that because
I would probably die with a beignet in my mouth.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
That's okay, that's okay, a real French beignet. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
See, that's where my mind goes. I love, you know, croissant, croissant, wonderful,
I would go, I would get a begnet nine times
out of ten.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Here's the thing to remember that with, because we have
had a lot of people on my side as family
in particular, have traveled to Italy and things like that
several times. And actually I have family in France right now,
funny enough, but we have never been. But what I
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hear is that because America's fucking food is such bullshit,
and all the preservatives and the dies and this that
and the other bullshit that we just pump people full
of to keep us all unhealthy and sick so that
we can just stay in a fully medicated state forever.
(34:22):
But because of that, when people travel internationally, particularly the
experiences that I've had with or the conversations I've had
about my family's experiences, who like my mom very light eater,
but she's like, oh, Jack, when we were in Italy,
(34:42):
She's like, we drank wine every single day, we had
pasta every single day, red sauce, red meat every single day,
and she's like, it is it is all natural, whole
food that they are feeding you in basically every fucking
country except for and I feel like in France, while
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our blood sugar would probably spike by the end of
the day every day. The ingredients that those pastries are
made with, I can't. I would just imagine none of
them are sick, sickening sweet, None of them are gonna
make us feel like we're fucking about to pop some
swollen ankles and pass out. Like it's just whole foods.
(35:29):
It's everything is being made on site, sourced from fucking
local farms that have been in existence for seven hundred years.
So we are doing it all wrong. So I feel
like our perception of food is just wildly skewed because
we don't have a food or like a food and
(35:51):
drug administration that gives a shit about us. They genuinely don't.
And so going to France, I feel like we could
live on pastries all fucking day and be fine. Is
my TLDR pastry time at all in France?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Okay, I mean, let's go. I'm ready to relocate. I
could be ready to locate by tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I could be ready to relocate by tonight. Wow.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Okay, well, overachiever, but that's fine. I have to write
some emails. I'm always writing some goddamn emails, So I
don't let people know. Sorry, I can't make it to
the shoot tomorrow. I've decided to relocate to France.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Oh how beautiful would that be?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Though France would actually probably not be if we were
like going to Europe, probably not, probably neither actually really
realistically pretty low on the list of places I would
relocated to in Europe. But yeah, same, Yeah, there's that
no no offense. If you're French, you know, you just
(36:52):
got a lot to contend with in terms of It's
it's not like America, where basically the middle of the
country is just like a giant cornfield, so you can
rule out a lot of you can rule out a
lot of places in America. Is like, do you like mountains, Okay,
then there are there's like six or seven really great
places you could live. It's like, do you like cornfields.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Well, there's like hundreds and thousands of places you could live. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Well, if the answer is no, that really lowers quite
a bit. That really rules out quite a quite a
bit of America.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
So that's all. Yeah, Well, let's let's like fantasize a
little bit here. Where would you want to move internationally?
I would one hundred percent. I would go to Sweden, Norway, Iceland.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
You're in the ballpark, But I would look more Belgium, Netherlands. Okay,
Switzerland is close, is the closest one, you said, But
I would I would strongly consider Belgium.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Okay, I think Belgium has ever been a contender for me.
But I have seen plenty of just jaw dropping beautiful places,
like pictures of places in Belgium. But yeah, I prefer
colder climates and Amsterdam maybe Amsdam. That's I would visit
(38:21):
Amsterdam that I kind of feel about Amsterdam the way
I feel about like Paris. It would be a fantastic
place to visit for a couple of weeks and really
just take in the culture, take in the scenery, take
in the vibes and the history, because everywhere in Europe
is so just profoundly older than anywhere in the United States. Sure,
(38:44):
but but it's a visit, not a live I.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Don't think, how dare you do this to the people
of the Netherlands.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I love you all, I love you all, and but
it's just it's nice to just.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah about Dusseldorf here, it's lovely, doucel.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I don't know anything about Dusseldorf.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
I don't need I don't either other than it's just
fun to say.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Sure, yeah, I just you know, I follow a few
people that I've been following on Instagram for literally like
almost oh god, twelve to fifteen years now, and her
and her family live in Sweden. She's from Sweden, and
it is just idyllic. I mean, and again, we are
(39:34):
pushing aside. And I know that this is a huge
this could be a huge red flag for people, but
we are pushing aside the political climate. And the only
reason I say that is because ours is so fucking
nasty right now. So I just, you know, the grass
is greener in my brain. But I don't know anything
about the politics really anywhere else, so it could be
(39:55):
terrible there too. I don't know. But all I know
is that there are just some locations that New Zealand.
I know that's not Europe obviously, but I would move
to New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I was gonna say, that's the boy, We've I got
some mystory about where New Zealand is located.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
No, I would one go to New Zealand. Visit Tasmania
quite often, which is not in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
It's you can see a Tasmanian devil obviously.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah sure, I'm just saying, but this was fun anyway.
So uh yeah that was uh Spain, that was all.
Oh Spain. Portugal, Yeah, oh Portugal. These are just they
it almost feels like we could never live in a
place like this. Not because we could never live in
(40:45):
a place like this, but because it feels too good
to be true. I think because of how no, I
deserve it.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I don't know what, I don't know what, I don't
know what your head is at, but I deserve to
live in a place that is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Well I mean there.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Except I will accept nothing less for myself and those
around me. So sorry, but you're in We're going to Seville.
Where Seville it's in southern Spain. It's near Gibraltar.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Oh yeah, see I know all about the Rock of
Gibraltar and all that. I mean, it's just gorgeous there
you go, just absolutely do it, fucking sunny, just do it.
I know we should just like, no, we're not going
to be those Americans that pick a globe, put our
finger on, like spin it, put our finger and be
like and that's where we're going, Like because that could
end up poorly.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
But yeah, I would definitely end up I don't know,
I was I was good.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
To just I.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Would end up somewhere that I am certainly not welcome,
you know, I just leave it at that. I'd be like, shit, Russia.
We can actually always joke about ending up in Russia.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, no, that's a hard No.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Oh, we get to go to a place called Siberia.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, sound lovely. It's Siberia. I I yeah, I mean again,
the cold calls me, but I feel like Siberia. I'd
be like fuck this. Yeah, no one here for a
reason cold. Oh my god. We are just we have
spun this so far out. Let's get back to another email. Yeah,
(42:25):
this is from Wanderon, as Andrew just sang for everyone
from April second, twenty twenty five, and so literally we
are in the same month. We have been in the
same month since Ozzie's last email.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
But we were in that last day of this month.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yep, but same month. We've caught up. So wander On
just catching up on the latest Listener episode, and I
loved how excited Jack got about scuba diving. So I
thought i'd share a funny little story with y'all. My
spouse proposed. Oh my god, I'm so excited to read this.
(43:03):
My spouse proposed to me while we were scuba diving
about eighty feet deep on a shark feed dive in
the Bahamas. Oh my god, I'm so insane insanely jealous.
You hush with the jokes right now. I'm so jealous.
It was absolutely amazing and beautiful. I was given a
ring pop to put on because I was rightfully not
(43:26):
trusted to try and put the actual ring on underwater.
We were given a bottle of champagne by the dive
company who gave it to us after the proposal, and
one of the dive masters pulled it from out of.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Their BC breathe canister their back crop it crop it
their back canteen. That's where I keep, oh, their back champagne.
That's where a test would BC stands for? What does VS? Well?
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Again, I have in scuba dive, so I don't know
any technical jargon.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Wow, BCD, hold on BCD.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
What does this mean?
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Your BCD holds your tank? Oh, it's the thing that
you like. It's the harness that you're wearing. Boyant controls buoyancy.
It's a buoyancy control device. Yeah, that's what it is.
I guess a boyanc control device. So the tank, like
you know the vest you actually put on that holds
the tank and has the pockets, that's what That's what
(44:33):
the BC is. And it also has like inflatable kind
of bladders to help you rise if you need to quickly,
you know.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Move up. Awesome, see today, don't get the bends.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Don't get the bens quick quick, quickish?
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Can you get the benz from an eighty foot and
eighty feet deep dive?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
I think you have to get a deeper Here's here's
who will never know me.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I will know one day I will and I will love.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
The GoPro video that you take. But let's so, the
champagne came from the backpack. Okay, yes, yes, there we go.
The dive master pulled it out of the backpack. I
also accidentally head butted my spells.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Nice. I was a little excited. It was amazing and
I didn't get eaten by sharks. I love to joke
that was the backup plan if I said, now, wow, okay,
oh my god, this is I feel like this is
you and I in an alternate timeline. This very much
sounds like us. But jack diving is awesome. It's an
(45:35):
absolute beautiful and amazing world to see. I've seen giant
sea turtle, sharks, raise shipwrecks and plane wrecks, and so
many amazing fish and reefs. I highly recommend it. Anyways,
y'all are amazing. Keep being your amazing selves. I very
much plan on when our child goes to college, just
(45:56):
fulfilling every dream that I have put on hold to
be a very present and good parent for my child.
And that's not to say that I can't do this
stuff right now. We just don't have anywhere near us
to do this kind of thing New Jersey. I'm not
(46:18):
going into New Jersey to fucking learn how to see.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
So it's so it's that it's not that we don't
have it, it's just that.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
I don't sure. Yes, there you go whatever, call me out,
I don't care, but no, I very much. You know
I can't just take off jet setting a couple times
a month, you know what I mean? Like I would
love to, but I don't want to do that. That's
not for me. But yeah, but I do plan on
(46:47):
absolutely doing this one day, and I can't wait for
that experience because I've been dreaming about it since I
was like four years old. Actually I started learning. I
learned how to swim when I was too and and
that's when I basically started my obsession with the ocean
and scuba diving and all that stuff. So now that's
(47:08):
almost forty fucking years ago, So it's I think it's
time to really do this stuff before, you know.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Forever, before father time says no.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
No, no, yeah, you're done, sit your ass down. Yeah, no,
Scooba for you. Yeah. So I think that's actually where
we're going to stop.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
No, we're not going to leave one email outstanding, we
kill We actually have two.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
I added another one to the list that we just
got yesterday, and don't even we've gotten quite a few
emails for the last cast as well, so the email
shows will live on between both this show and and
our other one. But yeah, I like to keep these
shows around like fifty minutes to an hour ish, and
(48:03):
we went on quite a few tangents and journeys with y'all,
which I think we do every week, but especially more
so now because we're doing two shows. It's just chaos.
It's just true, true chaos, and I hope everyone's I'm
ready to jump ship. Yeah, they're on board, they're here. Yeah,
(48:23):
I'm glad for you, and I'm glad for just everything.
But actually, did you share why you'll never scuba dive?
Speaker 3 (48:31):
No, I just don't know. I don't like I don't
like it. It doesn't it has no.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
But you've never done it. I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
I don't like going deep. I don't even like going
deep underwater in a pool. Like if I jumped off
of a high diving board and I was like fifteen
feet underwater at the end of that dive, I don't
like that feeling of being that far underwater. So there's
no world in which I would want to go even
(49:01):
if I could breathe deeper than that. That's I don't
like the pressure. So like, maybe my ears are two.
Maybe I'm a baby, and I'll cop to that. I
don't like any kind of pressure or weirdness with my ear.
I'm like very protective of my ears, so weird. You know,
(49:22):
when I go to concerts, I'm wearing earplugs if I
go when I a lot of the jobs that I
do where people will be like, you know, if I'm
going to see the orchestra or if I'm covering for
the opera or whatever, and these people are going like
way up at the high sea level of singing. No,
I'm wearing earplugs. I was wearing earplugs at the gig today.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
So yeah, he's and he's been this way since I've
known him. Yeah, And I don't care with that.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
I don't like I don't like the feeling of when
I'm under the you know again, you go down ten
fifteen feet even you got to you have to like
unlock your jaw to pop your ears, And I'm like,
oh wait, now all I have to look forward to
is about three more hours of doing that. No, I'm done.
I'll snorkel until the cows.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Come right good. I'm glad because you never even you
never said that, And I'm like, man, we're going to
be on an island one day and you're not going
to do anything under snorkele.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
I will get day drunk. You know that thing where
you can swing off of a pirate like you get
the rope, you swing off a pirate ship and you
drop about twenty feet into the ocean. I'll do that, do.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
That twenty feet under. What about like a catamaran. You'll
do that too, Yeah, I'll.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Do all that, do jet skis, I'll do the parasailing
where they off the back of the boat and you're
just kind of flying around behind a Boat's see that.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
I'm not going to do that because I can't stand heights. Okay,
so maybe you do that and then I'll go scuba diving.
You don't like heights and I don't like depths. Yeah,
but see, and that's the thing I remember. This is
a little little side tangent from my childhood. I remember
as a kid, we had my dad's best friend was
this guy named Eugene. Funny enough, his name is Jene
(51:05):
and Eugene actually so my dad's friend. The anniversary just
passed April sixteenth of nineteen ninety. My dad's best friend, Jean,
was in Hawaii on vacation with his family, and his
daughter got caught in an undertow from a wave and
he dove in to save her and died. He drowned
(51:28):
like in the ocean. So that's kind of spooky that
we're talking about that, like and all that stuff. But
it had nothing to do with scuba diving and nothing
to do necessarily with the pressures of being in the depths.
It was just, you know, the force of the ocean itself,
but which is also scary and should be respected. But
I have. Yeah, I've been obsessed with wood and the
(51:50):
ocean my whole life. And as a kid, Jean, we
would be over Jean's house all the time. My parents
met my sister and I, you know, because they were
the boomer generation and like the sixties and the seventies
parties and all that kind of stuff. I wasn't around
obviously in the sixties or seventies, but in the late eighties,
early nineties or late eighties, because again Jane passed in
(52:11):
nineteen ninety. We were always at the house and that's
where I learned how to swim in his in ground pool,
which I think went down to a depth of like
twelve feet, and I remember when I was like six
or seven, I used to swim down as far as
I could possibly go and have my goggles on and
(52:34):
I would just like float on the bottom with my
arms spread out in my let and just look up
and I'm like, this is the most beautiful thing I've
ever experienced in my life, Like just full weightlessness, looking
up at like the world completely distorted by water and
feeling free. That's what I felt like underwater. So I'm like,
(52:56):
I feel like that's the mentality of someone who wants
to be a scuba diver, whereas you're like, get me
the fuck out of here. Yeah, you know where I'd
rather be, literally, Yeah, And I would.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Go to space before I went like deep into the ocean.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
That's what that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
I mean, I would rather you know, we're not even
talking about I guess scuba diving. But like if the
option was like, hey, do you want to experience like
the weightlessness of that plane that kind of just goes
into a free fall for a little bit, you know,
like Tom Cruise did that one time, I'd be like, yeah,
I'll do that. I don't want to be like three
hundred feet beneath the waves. No, I don't want to
do that.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
No. I don't necessarily want to be three hundred feet
down either, But to see shipwrecks and plane reres and
fucking coral rep Oh my god, let's see all.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
That stuff because we got really really good cameras these days,
you know.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
That's the other thing too. I'm a photographer, and oh
to get the housing and that just to take pictures.
Oh my, got see. Now we're fantasizing about moving to
fucking everywhere else but America, and now I'm fantasizing about
being a scuba diver. You know what, get busy living
or get busy dying.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
You know who's got great scuba diving is the Spanish
right in the Mediterranean Sea.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
You know what I'm saying. I guess that's where we're going,
because that just sounds idyllic.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
So Italy, I mean also Ita least probably probably Okay,
I guess France actually technically has a border so the
Mediterranean as well, so you can't really go wrong with
any of those southern European countries. Oh my goodness, that
that that's gonna do it? Though, So I think we
kind of I think our post show kind of bled
into the end of the regular show.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
But figure it out, sure. But thank you Ozzie, thank
you wander On for sending us emails and sharing a
little bit of your life. And oh my god, to
be proposed scuba diving, guess that's never gonna happen, But
that would be little and you know what I would say,
(55:21):
what the fucking we're talking about it? We're we gonna fuck.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Come, you're scaring gonna finish?
Speaker 1 (55:35):
I would love my ring pop. Okay, let's get that
straight anyway. Oh my gosh, thank you guys so much
for hanging out with us again this week. We're having
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If you would like to continue the good times over
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(55:56):
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(56:20):
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show dropping over there. And we do have a lot
of good time off air as well.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
Did you like that whole bit where we were talking
just now about the ocean. Imagine sixty one episodes of
just shit.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
Like that, but not necessarily that sometimes we never talked
about the ocean before, So that was the first, But
that's a little bit.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
That's just like a free taste of what you could
expect energy wise.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Sure. Actually our pre show tonight was twenty some minutes
of gorillas, so yeah, but not like not just the
scientific research.
Speaker 3 (57:05):
You're just gonna have to turn in to find out.
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Goffing, I forgot, fucking forgot? Do you have the note
right in front of you? And I was like, I
had my finger on the button since you started the outro,
and I was like, prickly timed whenever she calls upon me,
I will be able to press the button and you
never did.
Speaker 1 (57:39):
I never did. How lame? It's so late. Oh would
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Last cast is in full swing. Episode three will drop
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now until we get more emails and.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
Final email show, because after that we are going to
smartly integrate them into the episodes going forward, Yes, rather
than let them pile up. Yes, unless unless there's a
specific reason not to address something in an email, in
which case we'll find a spot.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
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Let's get home with it. So yeah, special shout out
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thank you everyone. Shadow Yeah, Barbie Shadow, No, she'll get
mad at me. That's why I didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
That's why I didn't add the ie. That's a different person.
That's I've never met a barb. I've never met a
Barbe or a Barbara who enjoyed being called Barbie. If
they introduce, If a person introduces themselves as Barbie, then
you're good. Otherwise, stay far far away from that nickname.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
True. Yeah, no, she hates it with a passion, So
we will not do that. And it never it never happened.
We gotcha. Yeah, Oh my goodness, Thank you guys so
much for listening to our show every week, for hanging
out with us. If you would like to share this
with a fellow Last of Us friend or family member,
(01:00:43):
or someone you're like, hey, this guy or gal might
enjoy the show, we would love that and appreciate if
you just spread the message wide that you have fun
with us and other people can come and have fun
with us. So yeah, thanks you. But I hope you
have a good week. We hope you have a good week.
(01:01:03):
Go and drink some water, go out inside and get
some sunshine and some breeze, because it's very breezy. I
don't know about anywhere else, but Pennsylvania is a fucking
windy as state now. And it's fine. It's fine, it's
it's it's fine, I say as my hair whips into
my face. But yeah, you know what, Start a journal.
(01:01:24):
That's my message for this week. Start a friggin' journal.
I journal in the morning every single day and in
the evening before I go to sleep every day, and
my mental health dramatically improved. It is good to speak
your piece in a sacred, quiet, intimate space that only
you have access to. And if anybody tries to read that,
I will punch them in the throat for you, because
(01:01:46):
it's another goddamn business. Okay, So Water, yeah, Drason Water,
get some sunshine. Start a journal and let you know
how it goes, or I will punch them for roads.
So let us know how it goes and we will
chat next week. So bye, bye,
Well, hello everybody, this is wayfair and strangers and I
am Jack, and as always I'm joined by Andrew.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hello there, Oh it's you this week and Joel surprise
y Hi. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I always trust you, Joel, don't worry. Yeah, so we uh.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's like seven forty one yeah, oh my god, we have.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
To do that the end of the show. Please remember,
write it on a posty or something post poststy.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I don't even I don't even have a posty down
here is that?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Like? How does that work?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
This is not a pasty. Get your mind out of that. Getta.
But I have hundreds of Look did you? Did everyone
hear that? I have hundreds of post it and a thousands.
So I'm going to write it down. Coffee jewel sound
coffee there it is? God, all right, I'm gonna keep
(01:34):
it in front of me and so the whole show,
so I don't forget and watch me fucking forget.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Because you like coffee jewels and I needed to do
something with coffee. Oh, I got to brew my coffee
for tomorrow. Yeah, because I love the way Joel sounds,
got it?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And I want to drink coffee while listening to jewel. Honestly,
that sounds like me. Yeah, that sounds like me. Oh
my goodness. But hello everybody. I know I said that
at the beginning of the show, but hello, how is
everyone doing? This week has been chaos and I feel
(02:13):
here's the thing. I don't know if anybody can pick
up on this, but I feel like our Wayfair shows
have felt like an adrenaline rush because the last cast
episodes are so long and draining to an extent that
(02:35):
when we get to Wayfaring, I'm like, oh, like rip
rorn and ready to go, but also exhausted. So that
is that? Can people hear that? I'm just curious?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Let me know, I mean I feel it. I think
it comes through you know, like, hey everyone, it's the
last cast.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I don't sound do I sound like that over on
the lips?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Care No, no, no, that's me because I know we're
in for a five to nine hour episode, you know.
So I start off, God, I start off at two,
and we make maybe get up to five out of ten.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
That is not true. That is not true true, that's
not that's that is a false false.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I can't give anything less than one hundred percent. It's
my fatal flaw. I care too much. Yeah, what are
your weaknesses? I care too much. My weaknesses are that
I have too many strengths. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I'm not sorry. I but yeah, we're actually recording wayfar
and ahead of the last cast this week because we
run out of time between some family events. I am
only about a quarter of the way through the notes
as of recording this, and then Andrew's out all morning
and afternoon tomorrow for work, so I will get all
(03:59):
that done and hopefully we can and record tomorrow night
if he's not dead on his feet. But we'll see,
we'll see how it cost, we'll see. But yeah, it's
it's been a ride. I can't believe that we're, you know,
getting to the end of our emails, getting to the
midway point of the season already. Like this, shit is
(04:20):
going fast. Everything is going fast. But that also means
that we will be getting back to our review shows,
which I think a lot of people are excited for,
or I hope people are excited for, because I miss it.
Like part of the last cast episode this week was
in Joel's house, and you know, I have to do
my thing where I talk about everything that I see
(04:42):
and the objects and the decor and this, that and
the other. So that was a little bit of a
different vibe for the note taking for the last cast
this week, and it just made me think of when
we get to Joel's house in part two and all
the conversation we're going to have surrounding that, which will
be difficult for me undoubtedly, but still a beautiful experience
(05:05):
to go through and just see all the details and
be a part of that and share that with everyone.
So I'm excited. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But that's enough excitement.
Let's get to the emails, and would you like to
go first? We have one long email left and then
a few smaller ones. So do you want to do
(05:28):
the long one and I take the rest? Or do
you want me to do the long one and you
take the rest? I got it?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Here we go, let's go get a stretch in here.
All right?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Here it is. Do some calisthenics.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, it's from our good from someone named.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
O zz Why.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Ozzbourne Oswald Ozzie, No, it's from Ozzie.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
What's up? Oz Man? The Blizzard of Oz. This is
from March second, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
The Blizzard of Oz I love that.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Oh that was the name of one of his greatest hits,
Ozzy Osbourne's greatest hits albums.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I can't remember now I feel stupid. I know some
Ozzy o.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
That's only why I said it.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
But yeah, yeah, Black Sabbath, but not everything. So don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Why would you know? Why would you know about his
like one of ten greatest hits albums that just randomly
came out in like the nineties, you know? So sure,
I don't expect anyone to have gotten that reference. So
and I take like the Blizzard of Oz.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Sure he made it. We go, I made it up,
made it up.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Edit that part out where I corrected and gave credit.
It's mine. I've never heard that before. So hey, I
would just like to talk about how I connect to
the Last of Us and what the game and story
as a whole means to me. Now, this story is
about love and what it does to people, the good
(07:12):
and the bad. We know this, and he talks about
this a lot. YadA, YadA, YadA. I don't have any children,
so the parental themes of this story don't really connect
with me, at least as a parent. I can definitely
sympathize with Ellie being a child of Joels. More about
this later. I connect to this game because of the
underlying theme of brotherhood and in parentheses kind of at
(07:36):
least what I picked up. Neil has talked about his
love of comic books and how he picked that up
from his older brother. So I think my points may
have merit. But tell me what you think. I'm very
interesting to tell Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Well, I just had a quick comment that I'm very
interested to see where this goes, because we view a
lot of the things that we talk about on Wayfarers
strangers through the lens of a parent, and not so
much as a sibling or even a child view anymore. So,
I just like one of the emails that we read
(08:12):
a few months ago from the perspective of and at
the time a fourteen fifteen year old who is now
eighteen and going into college and such. It was interesting
to have that opinion through a different lens that we
have not we would have never had the opportunity to
experience that way because of when this game came out.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, that's true, all right, let's keep rolling here. Joel
calls Tommy baby brother. This leads me to believe that
their age difference is significant, maybe five to ten years apart.
When the last of us came out. I had still
have an er step brother who is nine years older
than me.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I had.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
That's like that old Mitch Hedberg joke. I used to
do drugs. I still do drugs, but I used to too.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, good Lord.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
An older stepbrother nine years older than me, and I
should say he is my brother. My stepdad has played
a very large role in my life and is a
prominent father figure to me. My older brother had a
kid at a fairly young age, and so I became
an uncle at a fairly young age. Similar to Tommy,
my older brother and I tend to get into arguments
pretty easily. We love each other, but we bicker. Him
(09:27):
and I used to be very close, and we still
are to an extent. However, I only see him about
once a month, and that's either at our grandmother's house
or at a local arcade where we usually just bump
into one another. I feel like this is similar to
Tommy and Joel's relationship, except Tommy and Joel have a
big falling out. In the beginning of the game, you
can almost sense a tension between the two that is
(09:49):
almost unspoken, but it's there and they both know that
it is there. It's interesting, It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
This is an interesting topic. Thank you Ozzie also for
sharing just a little bit about your life and giving
us just to peek behind the curtain of the blizzard
of Oz's life. I agree with you. I think that
the age gap between Tommy and Joel. I always put
it between like six to seven years in my head,
(10:17):
which is similar. Like my older sister is about six
years older than I am, and her and I did
not get along very well growing up, and it was
very I would even go so far as to say
like acrimonious for quite a while, like are Einstein is Jesus?
(10:40):
It was very It was just incredibly I wouldn't say
tense or you know. We still loved each other very
much our whole lives, so it was never a question
of love or trust or support, you know, but in
a lot of ways. And I my sister and I
are very close now. She how old am I'm forty one,
(11:01):
she's forty seven, And we had our children seven months
apart from each other, so we got to share that
experience that was very unique and different to what you
experienced with your older brother Ozzie. But I think there's
something inherently special between siblings who are not like Irish
(11:21):
twins like Andrew and his younger sister are like almost
on the cusp of Irish twindom. Right you are. You
and your sister are about a year and what ten
months apart, Like that's you were still in diapers when
your sister was born. That's very close. So your relationship
(11:42):
with Denise, I feel like, has always been good. There
hasn't ever been that kind of like I don't fucking
like you, Like I love you, but I don't fucking
like you because we are so different and we were
born we were born just enough time apart that the
thing that my older sister liked I couldn't get into
(12:04):
because I was too young, or the things that I
was into she thought were too kitty, you know what
I'm saying. So it's like that gap definitely makes a
difference between siblings, for sure, But then you reach an
age where everything just kind of comes together and it
doesn't matter anymore how many years are apart from you,
(12:25):
and whatever you bickered about or whatever you've thought about,
it's just literally gone, and they essentially become not only
your again. This is like from a healthy perspective. Not
every family has a healthy functioning component to it. There
are many dysfunctional families. Many siblings hate each other. I
understand this. I'm speaking from my own personal experience, but
(12:48):
like my sister and I love each other very much.
She will always be my older sister, but she's also
one of my best friends, you know, and I can
rely on her if I need her and she comes
to me and she doesn't listen to this podcast, but
if she ever does, Sis, I love you, But I
would say more often than not, I'm I've been her
(13:10):
keeper my whole life. And I'm not going to get
into the reasons behind that, but one sibling certainly turns
into like my brother's keeper or my sister's keeper, that
kind of vibe where one just can take care of
and handle and care for the other one just a
little bit more. And I think that that was my
(13:32):
role from a very early age, because there would be
moments where I would take the blame because she couldn't
handle my dad's temper, or she couldn't handle the coldness
from our mom. Sometimes if something went you know, the
way it shouldn't have with breaking something in the house
or not doing tours or this that whatever. So I
would always kind of take on that responsibility even though
(13:55):
I'm the younger sibling, and I think when you look
at this, I'm talking a lot, and then you can
put in your own two cents when you look at
the last of us. I do think that Joel was
Tommy's keeper to an extent. And when Joel became a father, see,
and this is why I disliked the age change in
(14:16):
the show and even the game a little bit. They
aged him up when they did the remake. The remake,
I always felt that Joel was about sixteen seventeen years
old when he had Sarah. And if you think it
like that means that Tommy was like ten or eleven
when he became an uncle, and that is older brother
(14:37):
territory almost and less uncle. Sure, so's it changes all
of these dynamics. But then when you get to the show,
Joel was like twenty one twenty two when he had Sarah,
and then that means Tommy was like fifteen sixteen, so
he's still young, but he's not ten eleven young. So yeah,
(14:58):
I just I didn't like the aging up. I felt
like it took something away from Joel as a father
and struggling and his relationship with his brother. But then
when you get to the conversation about the tension, one
hundred percent, there was some massive blowout between Tommy and Joel.
But they still love each other so much that that's
(15:20):
what matters. Yeah, So as unhealthy as their relationship might
have been for a period of time, or how difficult
or estranged, they still found their way back to each other.
And I'm very grateful for that that they had that
time before you know what happens to Joel in part two.
But yeah, anyway, all right, so that's my spiel. I
(15:43):
don't really have anything to add, you know, you know,
I think you can because it's very your again, your
relationship with your sister. I mean, you're very similar people
and similar humor, and but I would say that you
are are you are the keeper careful out of the
(16:04):
two of you. Yeah, I would say that careful, careful.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Okay, Yeah, so moving on.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
With the Ozzi here, no opinion on that. Good Again,
this is Andrew and the I don't want to talk
about my personal life. I try am I a keeper,
you know.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Comment below, comment and Spotify let us know if you
think I'm the keeper.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
They don't know that you would only be the one
to say that that's the joke. Oh all right, listen
to the awkward laughter. Andrew's like, can we just read
the fucking email?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yes, Sam and Henry are two brothers.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You're wonderful. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Them and Henry are two brothers who are roughly ten
or so years apart in age. I also have a
younger brother. He is eleven years younger than me. There
are exactly ten days in the year where him, my
older brother, and I are all ten years apart. Oh,
that's interesting. Me and my younger brother are not very close.
(17:18):
I get the feeling that Henry and Sam are also
not very close in the way where they are friendly
with another. It's hard to explain. I love him very much,
and we are very similar in our interests in quirks,
we just don't get along for that reason. Henry almost
feels the need to protect his brother and obviously had
a more parental role to Sam as any older brother is.
(17:42):
I definitely feel the need to protect my baby brother,
and I really connect to Henry on that level. Especially
since I am similar age to Henry, maybe a little younger.
I don't know, off the top of my head. More brothers,
more examples of brothership.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, well, he talks about in paragraph one the brotherhood
of the Last of Us, so it's very specific to
say because we've got a couple good examples so far. Yeah,
but you know, I'm not a man and I don't
have a brother, So I'm going to give my closest
example being a sister, and I feel like that's very similar.
But women imagine like a brother, but like a female brother.
Does that make sense? Oh? My god, only was a word,
(18:23):
If only there was a concept that we could just grasp.
But yeah, I agree. I think. Well, Henry was about
twenty five and Sam was probably like ten ish ten
eleven ish, Yeah, maybe eleven or twelve, So let's just
(18:43):
say eleven. So there's a fourteen year gap because Henry
said that he was five years old when the CBI
outbreak happened, and it was twenty years later, so that
makes him twenty five. And so Henry had a little
bit of experience, probably not a crystal clear memory of
things that happened during that time, but he was still
(19:04):
alive when shit hit the fan. Yeah, so, and whatever
happened to their parents, like on a very detailed scope
we're not privy to, but he is one hundred percent
in a parental role for his younger brother. So they
don't have the brotherhood camaraderie or the support system that
(19:26):
brothers would have if they were closer in age, but
they do have that love and connection and protection. And
even though Sam is young, I still think that is
a part of him too, Like, even though, oh, my
brother's twenty five and I'm only eleven, Like, he would
still do whatever he could to protect his brother, even
if even if Henry was screaming at him to do
(19:49):
the polar opposite of that. You know, that is just
a sibling thing again, healthy relationships. Please don't come after
me if you're like, well, me and my sibling haven't
talked in thirty two years. Jack, You're wrong, No, I'm
talking fu. Yeah, that is just I'm sorry. If that's
the case for you, you should.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Probably just give them a call and figure it out.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
No, you don't know what happened. You can't make those call.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
You literally can't make those I'm left on this earth,
you know, you know I.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Agree, but you don't know the extent of what people
do to each other sometimes.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Okay, can we agree that if it was stupid, give me.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Oh yeah, if it's stupid, give them a call. Stop that,
stop that fucking nonsense. But if it's not stupid, then
you keep on doubling down and just ignore for the
rest of your life. Anyway, So I again, I don't Ozzie,
I don't know your exact age. I think you are
a little younger than Henry, but I'm not one hundred
percent and that's not for me to talk about, so
(20:48):
I won't do that. But that is a your parents
had children for a while. I'm curious to know how
that was. Well, the older, you.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Do, the older is a step brother, I think.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, but he still calls him his brother, and yeah,
his stepfather is an integral part of his life.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
We've got we've got three generations, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Well, here's the deal. I'll say this ten years is
like you and your sister, right are you See? You
could be born to I will just say you could
be born like three years apart and have a completely
different experience of the world.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You know what. I'm sure you know.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
So it doesn't even ten six years, ten years, right,
we're talking about it's a completely different upbringing.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It's a decade. Yeah. I mean, not only have you
had literally ten eleven years under your belt to experience
the world and your parents, but now your parents have
to start over again with an infant, and you get
to see them as that kind of parent, which is
completely Parenting a newborn is completely different than parenting a
(22:06):
teenager or a twenty something year old, which that Ozzie's
parents were doing all of that at this simultaneously. So
I'm tired. I'm tired for your parents. Ozzy. Hell, yeah,
that's great. That's great. Yeah, it is great.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
We're going to bring it home. Here's the final paragraph here.
As for what I said in the opening paragraph, Joel
takes on the role of a surrogate father for Ellie
while I still have a father who is active in
my life. My stepdad most definitely is my dad, and
I connect to Ellie on that level, and Joel is
Ellie's dad, and I just do not care what other
(22:42):
people have to say about that. My stepdad is similar
to Joel as in don't talk about your feelings and
being closed off as he is an older gen xer.
Him and I got into a fairly emotional fight slash
argument thing when I was around fifteen when I played
this game. After that, oh boy, that point in part
(23:04):
one where they are fighting at the ranch house in
Jackson and even in part two at the hospital hits
me like a freight train. Anyways, thank you guys for
reading my email. I love your show and listening to
it is one of the highlights of my week. And
then we just have a little PostScript here mi y'all
add PostScript ps. I am sorry for the somewhat rambling email.
(23:26):
I hope it reaches you all.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Well. That was not rambling whatsoever. It was paced perfectly, Ozzy.
Let's go to the Going back to this last paragraph
I'm going to talk about it's a little surprising that
the statement here of Joel is Ellie's dad, and I
don't care what other people have to say about that.
I'm curious to what people interpret Joel to be in
(23:53):
Ellie's life, if not her father figure. And this is
one of those things where I know everyone certainly has
their own opinions, and I'm not discounting anything, and I'm
not trying to change anything. I know I come off
as a blowhard and very passionate, but like, I never
want to. I'm just trying to share where I'm at
and what I think. It's never like you have to
(24:15):
fucking believe this thing or stop listening to my show. No,
that's never the intention. But I've had this conversation with
Erica where it's like, do you perceive Joel as a
father figure or more of a protector slash guide almost
throughout this life but whittling it down to a companion,
(24:42):
like somebody that doesn't necessarily parent her but guides her
or is there to spend time with her watching Curtis
and Viper movies, going out on patrol and having conversations
about Savage Starlight. He's not necessarily sitting her down and
having the parent conversations that say you and I would
(25:05):
with our daughter. Sure like, and I can see the
argument for both sides. I am in the father figure camp,
but I understand people who might say Ellie view Joel
Moore as a older even a very much older brother
or companion to just have some presence in her life
(25:30):
that is a permanent, and he teaches her how to
survive in this world. He with with weapons and maybe
fucking animals and you know, just how to fucking dress
a deer, you know, like and so on and so forth,
like those kind of things. But he's not sitting down
(25:52):
and having the hard conversations that some sometimes as parents,
and oftentimes depending on the a of your child, you
have to do. You know, we have a sixteen year
old and we have conversations quite often, her and I
because I'm in that mindset now where I'm like, she's
going to college in two years where I'm not going
(26:13):
to be around every single day to be like, are
you taking care of X y Z? Are you watching
your six Like are you aware of your surroundings? You know,
gut instincts and college as a whole and how to
succeed in that, Like these are all lessons that parents
should imbue their children with and more Obviously I'm not
(26:34):
talking about everything, but like, we don't see that happening
with the last of us, But in my heart, I
feel like certain things have absolutely happened off screen. And
that's why I lean more towards the father figure because
how could he not see Ellie that way? How could
Ellie not see him that way?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
M h I think specifically him, Like as this, if
we're just talking about like who saved who, they saved
each other in a way, you know, but absolutely, quite literally,
he saved her in a I mean quite literally, she
saved him too. So it goes both ways. I'm just
you know, if we're talking about the big inciting incident
of this game, of the game in part one, at
(27:19):
least he saved her from actual yeah, like and momentarily
you will be dead, right, Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
But she did do that with him when he was impaled.
That's true. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, So again, I mean, it goes both ways. I
would have to you'd have to make a very strong argument.
There's there's that saying, like we have there's the family
that you're born with and then the family you choose.
So at minimum, they are chosen family. Yes, family, very minimum.
(27:54):
So that's kind of where I come down on it.
I'm like, and realistically, they get into these like little bickery,
I mean not a little vickery, but you know, they
get into situations that really only family, can you know
what I'm saying, Like, Oh, no, one can hold a
grudge quite like somebody in your own family. Oh, nobody
(28:17):
knows the words and things to say to hurt you
quite like your own family exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
And and Ozzie brought up the ranch conversation yeah at
in Jackson and part and the conversation outside of Saint
Mary's Hospital in part two, and that I think those
two moments paired with what happened in Todd's restaurant and
the baby girl comment, Yeah, like these are direct, Like
(28:44):
it's evidence that that's how he saw her. Calling her
baby girl is exactly what he called his daughter. Yes,
he's not looking at Ellie as a companion like, oh,
I'm just your protector. I'm not your parent, you know,
and even yeah, yeah, you're my fucking cargo like that,
we've moved so far beyond that, and even going to
(29:08):
the ranch conversation in to or specifically him saying, you know,
you're not my daughter, and I sure as hell. And
your dad like he knew in that moment because he
was a father to a child who died. He knew
in that moment what Ellie needed, but he was not ready,
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and he said the thing to hurt her the most,
which goes back to what you just said. Our family
knows how to cut us down quicker and harder and
faster than anybody else on earth. That's correct. Yes, so yeah,
I'm again I'm not trying to discount anyone's opinions. We
all believe and feel what we want, and I'm I'm
(29:52):
glad for that because the game is so complex and
so complicated the story as a whole, that it gives
people this. And there are many people out there who've
never had a father figure, who've never had a father,
who've never had a mother, or siblings who don't who
can't view this story because they have no experience with
(30:14):
that m and I would never want to make them
feel alienated or push back on what they got from
this story that they latched onto and fully believe in. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
So yeah, well said, well said.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
But thank you, Ozzie. I love your email, Ozzie. Well done. Yes,
same with Discord buddy. Yeah, I will see you on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, and for the three times that you pop into
Discord a year.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Isn't it great? Hey? Hey you do.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
We're all on a journey. We're all on different journeys,
so this is your journey.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah. I do love I do love popping in ever
so happy to see you I know it's such a
wonderful feeling, thank you all for when you just like
receive me so well. But I just I get overwhelmed
quickly because I'm like, oh my god, there's so many
messages that I'm so far behind on. I'm never going
(31:16):
to catch up. Bye ye Yes, that's what happens in
my brain. So it's not that I don't want to
interact or be a part of the community that we
are building and have built and you have built and
everyone else with you, but it's just overwhelming for me.
I am whelmed. Yeah, you are whelmed. I am in
a constant state of overwhelmed. Sorry, I leaned all the
(31:38):
way back to fix my sock welmed. Yeah uh and
real quick jumping ahead just a little bit to April tenth,
Ozzie sent in a quick little follow up and wrote
post PostScript, try a real quissant if you have them
in your area. They are amazing and I wish I
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could have them every day. Hell yeah, so question about
real croissants?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Sure do you think? As we all know, I am French, so.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
I mean, listen, my full name is Jacqueline. That's a
French ass name, so I know I have a story
asking me about croissants for No, I'm not asking you
about the croissant itself, but more the endeavor to find
or track down a genuine croissant. And where might we
find that? Do you think because Wegmans has an incredible bakery? Sure?
(32:38):
Do you think that that would suffice? Uh? Yeah? Probably?
I mean, or do we have to go to France? Yeah?
I mean, I feel like you got to go to France?
You know. Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
If I was in France, I would die because all
I would eat are pastry. I would not have any
actual food. I would just be eating pastries. And as
I understand it, that's how the French do it as well.
But I feel like it would be like everything would
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be My blood sugar would spike to the point where
my body can no longer do the tasks that it
needs to do, and then I would fall into the
sin and that would be the end of me. And
it's fine, and I'd I'd be okay with that because
I would probably die with a beignet in my mouth.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
That's okay, that's okay, a real French beignet. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
See, that's where my mind goes. I love, you know, croissant, croissant, wonderful,
I would go, I would get a begnet nine times
out of ten.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Here's the thing to remember that with, because we have
had a lot of people on my side as family
in particular, have traveled to Italy and things like that
several times. And actually I have family in France right now,
funny enough, but we have never been. But what I
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hear is that because America's fucking food is such bullshit,
and all the preservatives and the dies and this that
and the other bullshit that we just pump people full
of to keep us all unhealthy and sick so that
we can just stay in a fully medicated state forever.
(34:22):
But because of that, when people travel internationally, particularly the
experiences that I've had with or the conversations I've had
about my family's experiences, who like my mom very light eater,
but she's like, oh, Jack, when we were in Italy,
(34:42):
She's like, we drank wine every single day, we had
pasta every single day, red sauce, red meat every single day,
and she's like, it is it is all natural, whole
food that they are feeding you in basically every fucking
country except for and I feel like in France, while
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our blood sugar would probably spike by the end of
the day every day. The ingredients that those pastries are
made with, I can't. I would just imagine none of
them are sick, sickening sweet, None of them are gonna
make us feel like we're fucking about to pop some
swollen ankles and pass out. Like it's just whole foods.
(35:29):
It's everything is being made on site, sourced from fucking
local farms that have been in existence for seven hundred years.
So we are doing it all wrong. So I feel
like our perception of food is just wildly skewed because
we don't have a food or like a food and
(35:51):
drug administration that gives a shit about us. They genuinely don't.
And so going to France, I feel like we could
live on pastries all fucking day and be fine. Is
my TLDR pastry time at all in France?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Okay, I mean, let's go. I'm ready to relocate. I
could be ready to locate by tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I could be ready to relocate by tonight. Wow.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Okay, well, overachiever, but that's fine. I have to write
some emails. I'm always writing some goddamn emails, So I
don't let people know. Sorry, I can't make it to
the shoot tomorrow. I've decided to relocate to France.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Oh how beautiful would that be?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Though France would actually probably not be if we were
like going to Europe, probably not, probably neither actually really
realistically pretty low on the list of places I would
relocated to in Europe. But yeah, same, Yeah, there's that
no no offense. If you're French, you know, you just
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got a lot to contend with in terms of It's
it's not like America, where basically the middle of the
country is just like a giant cornfield, so you can
rule out a lot of you can rule out a
lot of places in America. Is like, do you like mountains, Okay,
then there are there's like six or seven really great
places you could live. It's like, do you like cornfields.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Well, there's like hundreds and thousands of places you could live. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Well, if the answer is no, that really lowers quite
a bit. That really rules out quite a quite a
bit of America.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
So that's all. Yeah, Well, let's let's like fantasize a
little bit here. Where would you want to move internationally?
I would one hundred percent. I would go to Sweden, Norway, Iceland.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
You're in the ballpark, But I would look more Belgium, Netherlands. Okay,
Switzerland is close, is the closest one, you said, But
I would I would strongly consider Belgium.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Okay, I think Belgium has ever been a contender for me.
But I have seen plenty of just jaw dropping beautiful places,
like pictures of places in Belgium. But yeah, I prefer
colder climates and Amsterdam maybe Amsdam. That's I would visit
(38:21):
Amsterdam that I kind of feel about Amsterdam the way
I feel about like Paris. It would be a fantastic
place to visit for a couple of weeks and really
just take in the culture, take in the scenery, take
in the vibes and the history, because everywhere in Europe
is so just profoundly older than anywhere in the United States. Sure,
(38:44):
but but it's a visit, not a live I.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Don't think, how dare you do this to the people
of the Netherlands.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I love you all, I love you all, and but
it's just it's nice to just.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah about Dusseldorf here, it's lovely, doucel.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I don't know anything about Dusseldorf.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
I don't need I don't either other than it's just
fun to say.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Sure, yeah, I just you know, I follow a few
people that I've been following on Instagram for literally like
almost oh god, twelve to fifteen years now, and her
and her family live in Sweden. She's from Sweden, and
it is just idyllic. I mean, and again, we are
(39:34):
pushing aside. And I know that this is a huge
this could be a huge red flag for people, but
we are pushing aside the political climate. And the only
reason I say that is because ours is so fucking
nasty right now. So I just, you know, the grass
is greener in my brain. But I don't know anything
about the politics really anywhere else, so it could be
(39:55):
terrible there too. I don't know. But all I know
is that there are just some locations that New Zealand.
I know that's not Europe obviously, but I would move
to New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I was gonna say, that's the boy, We've I got
some mystory about where New Zealand is located.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
No, I would one go to New Zealand. Visit Tasmania
quite often, which is not in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
It's you can see a Tasmanian devil obviously.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah sure, I'm just saying, but this was fun anyway.
So uh yeah that was uh Spain, that was all.
Oh Spain. Portugal, Yeah, oh Portugal. These are just they
it almost feels like we could never live in a
place like this. Not because we could never live in
(40:45):
a place like this, but because it feels too good
to be true. I think because of how no, I
deserve it.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I don't know what, I don't know what, I don't
know what your head is at, but I deserve to
live in a place that is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Well I mean there.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Except I will accept nothing less for myself and those
around me. So sorry, but you're in We're going to Seville.
Where Seville it's in southern Spain. It's near Gibraltar.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Oh yeah, see I know all about the Rock of
Gibraltar and all that. I mean, it's just gorgeous there
you go, just absolutely do it, fucking sunny, just do it.
I know we should just like, no, we're not going
to be those Americans that pick a globe, put our
finger on, like spin it, put our finger and be
like and that's where we're going, Like because that could
end up poorly.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
But yeah, I would definitely end up I don't know,
I was I was good.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
To just I.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Would end up somewhere that I am certainly not welcome,
you know, I just leave it at that. I'd be like, shit, Russia.
We can actually always joke about ending up in Russia.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, no, that's a hard No.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Oh, we get to go to a place called Siberia.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, sound lovely. It's Siberia. I I yeah, I mean again,
the cold calls me, but I feel like Siberia. I'd
be like fuck this. Yeah, no one here for a
reason cold. Oh my god. We are just we have
spun this so far out. Let's get back to another email. Yeah,
(42:25):
this is from Wanderon, as Andrew just sang for everyone
from April second, twenty twenty five, and so literally we
are in the same month. We have been in the
same month since Ozzie's last email.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
But we were in that last day of this month.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yep, but same month. We've caught up. So wander On
just catching up on the latest Listener episode, and I
loved how excited Jack got about scuba diving. So I
thought i'd share a funny little story with y'all. My
spouse proposed. Oh my god, I'm so excited to read this.
(43:03):
My spouse proposed to me while we were scuba diving
about eighty feet deep on a shark feed dive in
the Bahamas. Oh my god, I'm so insane insanely jealous.
You hush with the jokes right now. I'm so jealous.
It was absolutely amazing and beautiful. I was given a
ring pop to put on because I was rightfully not
(43:26):
trusted to try and put the actual ring on underwater.
We were given a bottle of champagne by the dive
company who gave it to us after the proposal, and
one of the dive masters pulled it from out of.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Their BC breathe canister their back crop it crop it
their back canteen. That's where I keep, oh, their back champagne.
That's where a test would BC stands for? What does VS? Well?
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Again, I have in scuba dive, so I don't know
any technical jargon.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Wow, BCD, hold on BCD.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
What does this mean?
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Your BCD holds your tank? Oh, it's the thing that
you like. It's the harness that you're wearing. Boyant controls buoyancy.
It's a buoyancy control device. Yeah, that's what it is.
I guess a boyanc control device. So the tank, like
you know the vest you actually put on that holds
the tank and has the pockets, that's what That's what
(44:33):
the BC is. And it also has like inflatable kind
of bladders to help you rise if you need to quickly,
you know.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Move up. Awesome, see today, don't get the bends.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Don't get the bens quick quick, quickish?
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Can you get the benz from an eighty foot and
eighty feet deep dive?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
I think you have to get a deeper Here's here's
who will never know me.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I will know one day I will and I will love.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
The GoPro video that you take. But let's so, the
champagne came from the backpack. Okay, yes, yes, there we go.
The dive master pulled it out of the backpack. I
also accidentally head butted my spells.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Nice. I was a little excited. It was amazing and
I didn't get eaten by sharks. I love to joke
that was the backup plan if I said, now, wow, okay,
oh my god, this is I feel like this is
you and I in an alternate timeline. This very much
sounds like us. But jack diving is awesome. It's an
(45:35):
absolute beautiful and amazing world to see. I've seen giant
sea turtle, sharks, raise shipwrecks and plane wrecks, and so
many amazing fish and reefs. I highly recommend it. Anyways,
y'all are amazing. Keep being your amazing selves. I very
much plan on when our child goes to college, just
(45:56):
fulfilling every dream that I have put on hold to
be a very present and good parent for my child.
And that's not to say that I can't do this
stuff right now. We just don't have anywhere near us
to do this kind of thing New Jersey. I'm not
(46:18):
going into New Jersey to fucking learn how to see.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
So it's so it's that it's not that we don't
have it, it's just that.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
I don't sure. Yes, there you go whatever, call me out,
I don't care, but no, I very much. You know
I can't just take off jet setting a couple times
a month, you know what I mean? Like I would
love to, but I don't want to do that. That's
not for me. But yeah, but I do plan on
(46:47):
absolutely doing this one day, and I can't wait for
that experience because I've been dreaming about it since I
was like four years old. Actually I started learning. I
learned how to swim when I was too and and
that's when I basically started my obsession with the ocean
and scuba diving and all that stuff. So now that's
(47:08):
almost forty fucking years ago, So it's I think it's
time to really do this stuff before, you know.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Forever, before father time says no.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
No, no, yeah, you're done, sit your ass down. Yeah, no,
Scooba for you. Yeah. So I think that's actually where
we're going to stop.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
No, we're not going to leave one email outstanding, we
kill We actually have two.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
I added another one to the list that we just
got yesterday, and don't even we've gotten quite a few
emails for the last cast as well, so the email
shows will live on between both this show and and
our other one. But yeah, I like to keep these
shows around like fifty minutes to an hour ish, and
(48:03):
we went on quite a few tangents and journeys with y'all,
which I think we do every week, but especially more
so now because we're doing two shows. It's just chaos.
It's just true, true chaos, and I hope everyone's I'm
ready to jump ship. Yeah, they're on board, they're here. Yeah,
(48:23):
I'm glad for you, and I'm glad for just everything.
But actually, did you share why you'll never scuba dive?
Speaker 3 (48:31):
No, I just don't know. I don't like I don't
like it. It doesn't it has no.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
But you've never done it. I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
I don't like going deep. I don't even like going
deep underwater in a pool. Like if I jumped off
of a high diving board and I was like fifteen
feet underwater at the end of that dive, I don't
like that feeling of being that far underwater. So there's
no world in which I would want to go even
(49:01):
if I could breathe deeper than that. That's I don't
like the pressure. So like, maybe my ears are two.
Maybe I'm a baby, and I'll cop to that. I
don't like any kind of pressure or weirdness with my ear.
I'm like very protective of my ears, so weird. You know,
(49:22):
when I go to concerts, I'm wearing earplugs if I
go when I a lot of the jobs that I
do where people will be like, you know, if I'm
going to see the orchestra or if I'm covering for
the opera or whatever, and these people are going like
way up at the high sea level of singing. No,
I'm wearing earplugs. I was wearing earplugs at the gig today.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
So yeah, he's and he's been this way since I've
known him. Yeah, And I don't care with that.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
I don't like I don't like the feeling of when
I'm under the you know again, you go down ten
fifteen feet even you got to you have to like
unlock your jaw to pop your ears, And I'm like,
oh wait, now all I have to look forward to
is about three more hours of doing that. No, I'm done.
I'll snorkel until the cows.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Come right good. I'm glad because you never even you
never said that, And I'm like, man, we're going to
be on an island one day and you're not going
to do anything under snorkele.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
I will get day drunk. You know that thing where
you can swing off of a pirate like you get
the rope, you swing off a pirate ship and you
drop about twenty feet into the ocean. I'll do that, do.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
That twenty feet under. What about like a catamaran. You'll
do that too, Yeah, I'll.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Do all that, do jet skis, I'll do the parasailing
where they off the back of the boat and you're
just kind of flying around behind a Boat's see that.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
I'm not going to do that because I can't stand heights. Okay,
so maybe you do that and then I'll go scuba diving.
You don't like heights and I don't like depths. Yeah,
but see, and that's the thing I remember. This is
a little little side tangent from my childhood. I remember
as a kid, we had my dad's best friend was
this guy named Eugene. Funny enough, his name is Jene
(51:05):
and Eugene actually so my dad's friend. The anniversary just
passed April sixteenth of nineteen ninety. My dad's best friend, Jean,
was in Hawaii on vacation with his family, and his
daughter got caught in an undertow from a wave and
he dove in to save her and died. He drowned
(51:28):
like in the ocean. So that's kind of spooky that
we're talking about that, like and all that stuff. But
it had nothing to do with scuba diving and nothing
to do necessarily with the pressures of being in the depths.
It was just, you know, the force of the ocean itself,
but which is also scary and should be respected. But
I have. Yeah, I've been obsessed with wood and the
(51:50):
ocean my whole life. And as a kid, Jean, we
would be over Jean's house all the time. My parents
met my sister and I, you know, because they were
the boomer generation and like the sixties and the seventies
parties and all that kind of stuff. I wasn't around
obviously in the sixties or seventies, but in the late eighties,
early nineties or late eighties, because again Jane passed in
(52:11):
nineteen ninety. We were always at the house and that's
where I learned how to swim in his in ground pool,
which I think went down to a depth of like
twelve feet, and I remember when I was like six
or seven, I used to swim down as far as
I could possibly go and have my goggles on and
(52:34):
I would just like float on the bottom with my
arms spread out in my let and just look up
and I'm like, this is the most beautiful thing I've
ever experienced in my life, Like just full weightlessness, looking
up at like the world completely distorted by water and
feeling free. That's what I felt like underwater. So I'm like,
(52:56):
I feel like that's the mentality of someone who wants
to be a scuba diver, whereas you're like, get me
the fuck out of here. Yeah, you know where I'd
rather be, literally, Yeah, And I would.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Go to space before I went like deep into the ocean.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
That's what that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
I mean, I would rather you know, we're not even
talking about I guess scuba diving. But like if the
option was like, hey, do you want to experience like
the weightlessness of that plane that kind of just goes
into a free fall for a little bit, you know,
like Tom Cruise did that one time, I'd be like, yeah,
I'll do that. I don't want to be like three
hundred feet beneath the waves. No, I don't want to
do that.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
No. I don't necessarily want to be three hundred feet
down either, But to see shipwrecks and plane reres and
fucking coral rep Oh my god, let's see all.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
That stuff because we got really really good cameras these days,
you know.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
That's the other thing too. I'm a photographer, and oh
to get the housing and that just to take pictures.
Oh my, got see. Now we're fantasizing about moving to
fucking everywhere else but America, and now I'm fantasizing about
being a scuba diver. You know what, get busy living
or get busy dying.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
You know who's got great scuba diving is the Spanish
right in the Mediterranean Sea.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
You know what I'm saying. I guess that's where we're going,
because that just sounds idyllic.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
So Italy, I mean also Ita least probably probably Okay,
I guess France actually technically has a border so the
Mediterranean as well, so you can't really go wrong with
any of those southern European countries. Oh my goodness, that
that that's gonna do it? Though, So I think we
kind of I think our post show kind of bled
into the end of the regular show.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
But figure it out, sure. But thank you Ozzie, thank
you wander On for sending us emails and sharing a
little bit of your life. And oh my god, to
be proposed scuba diving, guess that's never gonna happen, But
that would be little and you know what I would say,
(55:21):
what the fucking we're talking about it? We're we gonna fuck.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Come, you're scaring gonna finish?
Speaker 1 (55:35):
I would love my ring pop. Okay, let's get that
straight anyway. Oh my gosh, thank you guys so much
for hanging out with us again this week. We're having
a good time and we hope you are as well.
If you would like to continue the good times over
on Blue Sky, you can do that by looking us
(55:56):
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(56:20):
pre show episode that we will be dropping over there
or not. This this is an actual episode, but the
pre show post show will be the sixty first exclusive
show dropping over there. And we do have a lot
of good time off air as well.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
Did you like that whole bit where we were talking
just now about the ocean. Imagine sixty one episodes of
just shit.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
Like that, but not necessarily that sometimes we never talked
about the ocean before, So that was the first, But
that's a little bit.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
That's just like a free taste of what you could
expect energy wise.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Sure. Actually our pre show tonight was twenty some minutes
of gorillas, so yeah, but not like not just the
scientific research.
Speaker 3 (57:05):
You're just gonna have to turn in to find out.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
You have to do in to find out you do
that at ko dash fi dot com slash t l
o U podcast, The last cast.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
Goffing, I forgot, fucking forgot? Do you have the note
right in front of you? And I was like, I
had my finger on the button since you started the outro,
and I was like, prickly timed whenever she calls upon me,
I will be able to press the button and you
never did.
Speaker 1 (57:39):
I never did. How lame? It's so late. Oh would
you say that you really missing? Yes? Oh my god. Yeah,
that's what you are in for over on coffee, along
(57:59):
with some other fun stuff and pictures and stuff like that.
So again, that's kodesh Fi dot com t l ou podcast.
Last cast is in full swing. Episode three will drop
at some point this week and next week on Wayfair
and Strangers. Is probably our final email show for for
now until we get more emails and.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
Final email show, because after that we are going to
smartly integrate them into the episodes going forward, Yes, rather
than let them pile up. Yes, unless unless there's a
specific reason not to address something in an email, in
which case we'll find a spot.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
But yes, yeah, so we're getting there. We're getting there.
Let's get home with it. So yeah, special shout out
to the wonderful coffee members over on Coffee our coffee
page that we have because we love coffee and coffee.
Speaker 3 (59:00):
And now is just being withholding that's okay.
Speaker 1 (59:02):
Yeah, I know you were, you were, and it's fine,
it's totally cool. But our yeah, amazing coffee friends. Starting
with the Ghost of Mister Joel Mari, Kiara, Dustin t.
Wander On, Brian Jim Zidra Kelsey, Kryptonian Jedi seventy nine,
Ozzy Ellie, A Lurker O two, A Treyas Late nine ten,
(59:25):
Climbatize eighty two, Zombie Tom thirty nine, Jess our Baby
Shadow what and bar and there she is who who
instead of oh barb is having a trip listening to
(59:49):
uh her name being read on these these shows in
the last cast and and that's a wonderful thing. So
thank you everyone. Shadow Yeah, Barbie Shadow, No, she'll get
mad at me. That's why I didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
That's why I didn't add the ie. That's a different person.
That's I've never met a barb. I've never met a
Barbe or a Barbara who enjoyed being called Barbie. If
they introduce, If a person introduces themselves as Barbie, then
you're good. Otherwise, stay far far away from that nickname.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
True. Yeah, no, she hates it with a passion, So
we will not do that. And it never it never happened.
We gotcha. Yeah, Oh my goodness, Thank you guys so
much for listening to our show every week, for hanging
out with us. If you would like to share this
with a fellow Last of Us friend or family member,
(01:00:43):
or someone you're like, hey, this guy or gal might
enjoy the show, we would love that and appreciate if
you just spread the message wide that you have fun
with us and other people can come and have fun
with us. So yeah, thanks you. But I hope you
have a good week. We hope you have a good week.
(01:01:03):
Go and drink some water, go out inside and get
some sunshine and some breeze, because it's very breezy. I
don't know about anywhere else, but Pennsylvania is a fucking
windy as state now. And it's fine. It's fine, it's
it's it's fine, I say as my hair whips into
my face. But yeah, you know what, Start a journal.
(01:01:24):
That's my message for this week. Start a friggin' journal.
I journal in the morning every single day and in
the evening before I go to sleep every day, and
my mental health dramatically improved. It is good to speak
your piece in a sacred, quiet, intimate space that only
you have access to. And if anybody tries to read that,
I will punch them in the throat for you, because
(01:01:46):
it's another goddamn business. Okay, So Water, yeah, Drason Water,
get some sunshine. Start a journal and let you know
how it goes, or I will punch them for roads.
So let us know how it goes and we will
chat next week. So bye, bye,
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