December 29, 2025 • 52 mins
Attorney Emmett Pepper on rights for those who owe student loans, Judge Richard Lindsay on his first year on the bench, and former Charleston Mayor Danny Jones.
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zero and we'll welcome into the show now. Attorney Charleston
City Councilman also policy director for Energy Efficient West Virginia,
and Pepper's here. How you doing, my friend, I'm doing great.
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I got to listen to that Christmas show. That's a
great line up. Those are also of my favorite people. Yeah,
I mean it's somebody told me complimented, said what a
great show it was. I said, well, it wasn't because
of me. I can tell you that it was because
of Pushkin and Amos Steele and of course all the
other folks we threw in there as well, and Elisha
is just fantastic. So yeah, it's a great show. It
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was a was a great show. I mean, I several
people really love the music, and I mean they just
he used to get people sitting around and jamming a
little bit, and I, who have no musical ability whatsoever,
just try to play along.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
Likewise, I used to do radio show together. Actually okay
on the little station here.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Okay, I got you.
Speaker 8 (04:04):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yeah, Well she's fantastic talent. I mean, she really really is.
And she and the interesting thing about that show is
it is you know, uh, Pushkin and Johnny Compton who's
a name of Steele, had gone back and forth, you know,
texting thing they rehearsed in the green room. That's the
only time that they ever got together. And just watching
to me as a non musical person, watching the way
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musical minds work and just saying, okay, well let's do
it in this key, and just jumping in and knowing
that you know, maybe they didn't know the music, but
they figured it out, and.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
It was It's amazing. It's magic to me.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
It's magic to me. Yeah, I didn't realize. So I
actually wrote all that out. You wear a lot of hats,
Attorney Charleston City Councilman, director for Energy Efficient West Virginia.
But primarily what I one to focus on today, and
you and I talked about this a little bit over
the weekend. Is your role as an attorney, particularly when
it comes to student loans, and you've got some concerns
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as it has to do with the Department of Education.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
Yeah, there's some there's some things coming up that people
should be aware of and make sure that they're protected
if they have student loans. The BIDAMIN or the big
The administration, the Trump administration, a lot of them has
announced that they're going to start garnishing wages for student
loans that are in default. And one of the concerns
I have is that there's going to be people who
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don't even realize they're in default. There's a lot of
people it's out of side, out of mind, and they're
like maybe maybe they forgot about me, you know. But
so there's a concern that you know, if they're in default,
that that that could that they could start heading having
their wages garnished. And if they don't have their address
updated with this with the federal government on, you know,
this Department of Education, they may not get noticed of
it and it might be a big surprise.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Well and when you think about it, I mean, one
of the chances that somebody has the same address, you
know that they had twenty years ago when they were
in college.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
Right, and hopefully they've been on there since then, thirty
whatever the case may be, right, right, Yeah, I mean,
so just got to make sure it's updated and stuff
like that, because there's been a lot of pausing, you know,
even just the last five years, there was you know,
there's the pause for COVID and so you know, maybe
that people have moved and just didn't think to go
on the student one website.
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you don't know, Kennhut, all right, I'm just gonna ask
an obvious question here, not trying to be argumentative or
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anything like that, but it's question's got to be asked,
is what's the problem with that? I mean, if they
took out the loans, shouldn't they have to pay them back?
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Well, I mean yeah, yes, could be you know, it
depends on their situation and stuff like that. I mean,
the weird thing about student loans is, you know, I'm
a bankruptcy attorney. That's what I do most of the
that's the hat I wear most of the right, right, Yeah,
And so what we see with that, unfortunately, they're treated
a lot differently, uh than other debts, and so you
can't it's very very difficult. Now that I have had
(07:05):
some success in the last you know, a couple of
years to help people get out of student owners through bankruptcy, but.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
It's very difficult to do that.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
You have to you know, jump through some hoops and
there's some you know, it's not everybody can. So that's
one thing is that it's it's you can't even if
you're in the situation where you're you're drowning in debt,
you have to find bankruptcy. You're still stuck with those
and even in that context, and it's it's a little
bit walking. So I'm not going to get into it,
but basically, you know, you can be in bankruptcy and
(07:32):
there's a kind of bankruptcy we have to make payments
and stuff, and you actually the student loans will get
treated worse than other debts that you have that you can.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Uh congress, you know, so I think, I mean you
would think that a debt is a debt. I mean
that's as a total outside I mean you would think
that a debt is a debt. I mean that's as
a total outsider looking in. A debt is a debt
is a debt. And you know, I don't know why
it would be treated.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
In so taxes, for instance, you know, you can't get
your taxes dis char if you you know, we're you
have one hundred thousand dollars taxes or something from last year.
You can't just fall bankruptcy and get rid of those.
But if you do make payments, they get paid first.
But student loans it's not like that. It's that you
just they're just treated like every other debt, except you
can't get rid of them. And a lot of that
(08:17):
goes back to I mean, these a lot of the
court cases and stuff, they hasn't they haven't changed this
for a long time. So a lot of the court
cases and stuff are from the nineties, from uh, you know,
even sometimes the eighties whatever like this is and things
aren't way different in terms of student loans since then.
I mean, I went to school in the in the
late nineties. You probably think went in their early nineties
or late eighties.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
You didn't have to say that, but go ahead, okay, sorry,
but you know.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
It's it's different now.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
It's a lot more expensive that the debt amounts are
a lot more and so, you know, unfortunately, I think
that there, you know, it was there was a lot
of it was misunderstood about how that was and so
and nothing's changed since then because that's the precedent.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Well, and one of one of the terms that I
have heard, and again we're talking with Attorney Immit Pepper,
one of the terms I've heard is the term predatory
lenders h and that you know, look, nobody is saying
and I've been very adamant about this, and you're saying, yes,
you know, you do need to pay it back. But
but there is there any onus, on on the lending
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institutions or the government or whomever that these loans came from.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Yeah, and and there actually are some protections around that.
Speaker 7 (09:24):
I mean, so like, for instance, you know, Mountain State
University that went out of business.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
There's a lot there's other colleges.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Like that they can be treated a little bit if
it's worth talking to turn your somebody about. If you
have a situation where your school you know, went under,
you know, it could be that that's a reason to
get rid of the student loans because it's you know,
the value that you were getting was not what you
thought you were getting what you should should have gotten.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
And there's things like that. But but yeah, you.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Know, and just to be clear, this this new thing
with Garnish forth, this is only for the federally backed
student loans. There's also the private student loans that some
of those are very predatory especially and then but yeah,
if there's an issue with the school, there's things you
can do with that. So there there are options for
things like that. But look, I mean there's somebody's on
(10:10):
social Security, somebody's you know, in their sixties or seventies
and they still have student loans.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
There are some situations where it's still very challenging to
be able to get rid of them. And and it
just something about that seems wrong because they've been making
a lot of times, they've been making payments well over
the amount that they've actually you know, borrow double or
something like that or more. And and so you know, yes,
people should pay their debts, no question about that.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
But there are you know, there are laws in place.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
There are you know, steam releases in place, so that
where you know, if there's an issue where they should
be able to wipe out debt and start fresh. That's
what bankruptcy has been has been around for hundreds of
years for you know, in our you know, I don't
wanna say this flip on our president uses everybody uses
it because it's it is a tool that's that is fair,
and there's a there's a process. But unfortunately, with student loans,
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there's no way out.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
And so how does that change. That's a congressional thing
that would have to change in congress. Yeah, okay, all right.
We have a text here. I don't know if you
can help with this or not, but it says, is
there any type of support or relief you can get
for your student loan payments if your spouse was declared
disabled by their doctor but took like six or seven
years to get any type of money, so you are
a one income family with no welfare at all.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
I'm not gonna give avice on the area. It could
be there could be something there. Yeah, I mean there's
it's every situation is different and I talk to people
all the time about this, and there's each situation has
its own unique things, and there may be good options
for making it less burden some so you can actually
afford to make it. And look, I mean that's that
is the truck, you know, just putting in the you know,
(11:46):
their perspective, the Trump administrations say, look, we need to
get more payments coming in, and you know, just garnishing
someone's wages, making it so they can't live that isn't
necessarily going to I mean, I guess get some money in,
but but it's not going to be good for our
for our I don't think. And so you know, there's
there's things that we can do being paractive. This is
not something where you can just partick your head in
the sand. You have to be proact. You have to
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look into it. If you get the notice, you got
to do something about it. And there are things you
can do.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
So you would urge them to contact an attorney, contact
an attorney or you know, there's actually stuff you can do.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
If you get yours, you should in the notice find
out that you can dispute it, and there's a basis
for it, but you know, you can dispute it. There's
some bases that you could actually get out from under
that you can also it's called rehabilitate your loan, where
you can get you can get out of default.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
There are ways you can you can do that.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
And then of course maybe the last choice would be,
you know, something like bankruptcy. But none of these are
great options. None of them are silver bullets.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Well, I before we let you go, I'll ask you
about a couple of the other hats you you wear.
What's what's what's coming in the new year from Energy
Efficient West Virginia.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
Well, we just issued so the governor has this fifty
by fifty plan, So fifty gigawats by twenty fifty. So
that's tripling the amount of power that we have on
the grid. And we just sent a comment send. I'm
happy to send it to you, and I think I
send it to Jeff over here this morning about that plan.
And you know, our perspective is, look, we need to
be doing If we're going to be doing that, I
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don't know if that's a good idea or a bad
idea to have that much power, but we definitely need
to be doing everything. We need to be doing things
to help rate payers to take control of their bills.
So having battery to make it easier for that battery
back up make it easy for you to have their
own power.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I want to ask you before we let you go
about your at large seat on Charleston City Council? Do
you have it? Is there a council meeting tonight?
Speaker 6 (13:34):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
I thought they might take off for the for the hobbidays.
You're gonna run for reelection?
Speaker 6 (13:39):
I haven't announced jet.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Okay, all right, all right, all right, but you can
always come here and announce one way they are okay, okay, Yeah,
you will make it a thing. Yeah, I'll even let
you bring donuts. Isn't that nice of me?
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I will do that.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, but Pepper, I appreciate youall. Wait a minute, if
you file bankruptcy, will you lose your house? So it's
a texture. I mean, I guess it depends on the situation.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
Yeah, I mean most of the time, we well, I
just say, I mean the way the kind of bankruptcy
that we file is the kind that we you know,
we would make sure that you protect your house. I mean,
we don't we don't file bankruptcy where people lose their
house if they don't want to.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
All right, Emma Pepper, It's always pleasure. I V in
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Welcome back to the show. It's nine twenty three tech,
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Lindsay Hainy doing my friend. Hey, good morning man, how
you doing. You know I'm doing well. This is kind
of interesting. I've been doing the show. It'll be six
years in May. This may be the first time that
I've ever had a guest to be on back to
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mayor that happened that you know, or a subject like
Rogatta or something like that. But you were on the
Wednesday show and then now you're back again. So you
just want to take the job. Is that what you
want to know?
Speaker 11 (17:19):
I said, can I be judge? If you take this job,
I might want to trade up with you. I don't know,
certain days you probably do. Maybe maybe I'm just a
special guy. I tell you what I was thinking about
this afterwards, And I don't know what the ratings are,
but I got a hope and believe that the Christmas
Show it gets better every year, you know, I mean.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Not because of the host. I can tell you that
it's it's it's it's the talent.
Speaker 11 (17:41):
The first year I was on it was with Caitlyn
boy tech yep, right out of Lovi County, right.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
She was great.
Speaker 11 (17:46):
And then Elisha's been here a couple of years for violin,
and then I didn't even know the amous band steal
Yeah existed, and it's been on my Spotify since the show.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
It's so, I mean, are they fantastic or what? Great?
And it's that's just that's my kind of music. That's
what I like, a little southern rock, little blues. And
I'll get a quick plug in because Tony the Taylor
would want me to do this. I think they're doing
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get a little part in there for him, and right,
all right, so all right, So what happened to you
Steelers yesterday?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Man?
Speaker 11 (18:15):
You know, I took the family up to Cleveland yesterday
thinking that the Steelers were gonna win the AFC North there.
I wanted to be there for it. And no, no, good, no, no,
not happening. The worst game I think I've ever seen,
definitely the worst game I've seen in person. And then
I like to watch baseball. I like to go to
PNC Park and watch the Pirates, and uh so I
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rarely go to football games, and this is probably like
the third or fourth one. And I didn't realize by
looking on stub Hub with the where we were. We
ended up we were in the nosebleed, so we were
right there. That lake effect wind was coming in right
across our faces at the very top, and it was wet,
and the Steelers put put together probably the worst game
I've seen all season.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
So well, at least your team is still playing for
a division title next weekend. You know, the Cowboys will
play the Giants to close out the season without making
the playoffs. But you know, people just get all bothered
when I say this. Dak Prescott had an incredible year.
He's a cowboy. He had an MVP type year except
for the defense. We could score thirty eight, but the
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other team was scoring forty five and fifty or something
like that. But you know, the offensive offensive explosion for
the Cowboys, but unfortunately a defensive explosion on the other way.
So we can't stop anybody. All right, So I'm going
to ask you about about your first year on the
bench overall. Overall, your takeaway overall, I like my job.
Speaker 11 (19:44):
I like being judge, and I think, you know, as
far as a takeaway, I think that the judges here
in this Circuit Court of Kanall County, and the prosecutors
and defense attorneys in the bar here in Kanall County
just do a pretty good job. I mean really, I
mean as a lawyer, I practice for sixteen years before
it became a judge. And you know, as a lawyer
you always have your complaints and criticisms about, you know,
(20:07):
how certain circuits or certain judges do this, that or
the other. But no complaints from what I can tell.
I mean, I think we all do a pretty good job.
And it is as far as the substance of the cases.
I mean, you go in knowing that, for example, abuse
neglect cases and truancy cases are going to take up
a lot of your dock at juvenile cases, but you
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don't realize how much until you're actually there in it,
and you know, you try to work and do the
best you can, you know, and administer justice where you
can and try to get resolution where you can, which
I think is important. So that's kind of I don't
know if that's what you're asking. That's kind of my
view of it.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I mean, was that everything that you expected to be
and what kind of surprises did you?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Well?
Speaker 11 (20:52):
I mean, again, I think everyone tells you and you
read stories in the paper about again, you know, some
of the horrific things that come out of those abuse
and neglect cases, and then you're in it and you
actually see where you know, evil does exist in the world,
and uh that that can be tough to taste.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yeah, And I always thought you're absolutely right about that.
I always thought when when you're dealing and you're on
the bench in a in a small community and let's
face them by West Virginia standards, Charleston is a large community,
but by nationwide standards, it's a small community. And you
are tasked judge with with situations where you I don't
(21:32):
know that you're going to know the people necessarily, but
you certainly know the areas that they come from, and
and and you see a lot of the same type cases.
I would think that would make a little bit more difficult.
Speaker 11 (21:41):
As a judge.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 11 (21:45):
I mean other than other than the Again, the the
the scenario, scenarios and circumstances that may make part of
may may make some people's nightmares that you see in
front of you, the fact patterns. The other thing too
is that the you know, being able to put your
own opinion aside and just do what the law says,
(22:08):
and that that that that's that can be tough. And
you know there have been I've had a number of
cases and I can't go into details. So firstly, but
where you know, uh, citizen Lindsey or former state Senator
Lindsay may have thought one thing, but the law says
the other. And then that that's so important to follow
through as a judge, to do what the law requires.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
That goes back to your training as an attorney too,
because I mean as an attorney, you know, you've you've
got to work with your clients on on just yeah,
and I just had an attorney on right before you
and yeah, and you have to you have to you
have to take a look at the law, you know,
and uh and not and not always your opinions.
Speaker 11 (22:47):
Absolutely and it and it's just to do that because
you know, the judiciary is the consistency and stability of
our government, right. That's why you there are certain rules
in place like stereodecisives, which is a fancy way of
saying judges must follow precedent because that's what the electorate
and the government require to stabilize the system of government
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that we have the luxury of having here in America.
So I think that's important. That's an important role for
judges to fulfill.
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the public?
Speaker 11 (23:53):
Rich?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
I mean, because here's what you hear all the time,
and again this kind of goes back to what you
said about following the law. There is a conception, misconception
whatever all over where people say, well, you know the
you know, there's some horrific case or maybe not a
horrific case, and they read the headlines. You know that
(24:16):
the people don't feel that that the penalties were harsh enough.
And I would think that's one of the misconceptions sometimes
is that as judges you are tasked again with doing
what the law says when they're sentencing guidelines and things
like that. Is that one of the biggest misconceptions, you think.
Speaker 11 (24:34):
You know, I think that that that probably is the case.
I mean I think that, you know, most people don't
know enough about the law. And that's no criticism of them.
I mean, most people don't find themselves in the judicial building, right,
Most people don't find themselves in hiring lawyers or or
before courts. So it's kind of a unique circumstance for them,
(24:55):
especially without that experience. And you know, I think that
the I think the judiciary we could do a little
bit more in educating the public. But that's for a
different day. But but as far as a misconception, I
think you're correct, Dave. I mean I think that you know,
you see a headline and you see someone get a
sentence that you can't understand. More often than not, judges
(25:17):
really don't have a choice. It's not like you can
add any more time than what the statute allows for
a particular penalty or a plea. And and so I
you know, I would just ask those folks who may
be upset with any any decision of judge makes try
to do take take a breath, maybe do a little
(25:38):
research and figure out, you know, whether or not you
believe he or she did the right thing.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
And you're a former legislator, as you mentioned, you were
state state senator. Some of those things, you know, you
probably just I know you can't do this, but you
probably just want to say, hey, contact your legislator. You know,
I'm going by what the law says here.
Speaker 11 (25:52):
Yet absolutely absolutely they you know, the legislature, they they
make the law. Right that just like any any eighth
grade Civics course, right, you know, the executive enforces the law,
the legislature makes a law, and the judiciary interprets the law.
So it you know that if you keep that in mind,
and then like I said, you know, take a moment
(26:12):
in time or a couple of moments to take a
look at what actually is happening, then I think people
would be more be more comfortable with any decision. Having
said that, like I said, I think that you know,
we could probably do more as judges or as a
judiciary and educating the public. And I know the Supreme
Court's done a good job of opening the process up
(26:33):
to the public. They've got a lot of things going
on over there at the Capitol Building that is more interactive,
and they go see justices, go see students at schools
throughout the state. And I think that's good too.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
So go back to your time as a legislator, a
state senator. What what was it that What were some
of the things that you encountered as a legislator that
you think may may help you out as a judge.
Speaker 11 (26:57):
I think that, you know, one of the things I've
always prided myself and when I was in the legislature
and just generally speaking, and I enjoy being around people
and I try to take I try to give them
as much opportunity to talk to me. And that's what
was the same with the legislature. I was always available
to my constituents to talk to me and to hear
(27:19):
me out if they disagreed with me, or hear me
out to try to help them. And I try to
take that same type of direction in the courtroom. I
really try to take my time and explain my decision
one way or the other. Give everyone an opportunity to speak.
I think half the time, you know, people just want
that opportunity to be heard by somebody. And if you
(27:42):
have a claim or a controversy in my courtroom, I
always try to make the extra effort to give you
that time to speak.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
So so Richard Lindsay, it's always a pleasure to have
you on the show, my friend. It's always too quick.
Speaker 11 (27:55):
I mean, you know, I got the time, man, I know,
I appreciate you, and I appreciate the opportunity to talk
to you. I saw the mayor in before.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah you know, yeah, I.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
Guess he's taking up Mayor Mondays now.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's on every Monday.
Speaker 12 (28:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
We got to sell. We're trying to sell some books
for him. I hear you. I hear you. By the way,
if you haven't gotten I will get an update on
what the status of the books are. You got to
read the book. Well, last I heard it was sold
out yet it is, but you're supposed to be more
coming in so after the first of the years. So
we'll talk to Danny about that. Read the book, rich
you'll you'll really enjoy it, all right. I would. I
would give you my copy, But our goal is to
sell the books. So sorry, you're gonna have to park
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Danny Jones is here. Hey, doing man, I'm doing all right.
Thank you for being here. So what's the deal with
the tire man? You posted this picture on social media
of your tire got just basically slashed by our bridge.
(31:58):
Talk about it.
Speaker 12 (32:00):
We were all coming back from Jarrett in town, you know,
we were all coming back from Cracker Barrel. So we're
crossing the bridge going to the east end and right
there at the beginning of the bridge. I want people
to know this and watch out for it, because I'm
(32:21):
not the only one people have told me, and it
my tire hit that hit whatever it was there and
it put a hole in the tire big enough for
Jarrett to put his fists through.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
I mean, it didn't look like that's not your run
of the mill. I hit a pothole, flat tire. It
looks like that. I mean that thing was demolished at
the picture I saw this posting.
Speaker 12 (32:43):
It was and it's going to take me till tomorrow
to get a tire to fit it. I so went
up last night and the Cadillac wouldn't start. So I
went up this morning. I said, I give it another shot,
and it started.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (32:58):
So I'm driving the Cadillac.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Okay. Look, now, explain exactly where what bridge that we're
talking about.
Speaker 12 (33:04):
Outside or the Canall City Bridge.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Okay. Let's suppose you're.
Speaker 12 (33:09):
Coming back from from you actually be heading west okay, okay,
but you're heading to the east end and right at
the beginning of the bridge that's where the hole is
and can All City Bridge Okay.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
And this is like a major, major pothole.
Speaker 12 (33:32):
It has to be.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
And when did this happen last last night? Okay?
Speaker 12 (33:35):
And and the funny thing is we got it back
and it didn't hurt the rim and uh, it's down
at JP Auto who I'd recommend on the west side
right now. And but it really tore it up bad.
So what I did was I posted the picture the
(34:00):
tire and then I notified people of be careful, and
I called, I don't know any other legislator, I don't
know those are legislators. Now, I called Katie Young, I said,
I know this in your area, She says, I don't care,
I'll help you. So I told her where it was.
(34:20):
And because it's dangerous.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Thirty six street Bridge is a technical name of it,
according to Attack.
Speaker 12 (34:25):
And so hopefully they're going to do something in channel thirteen.
I saw Savannah Young this morning at Starbucks and and
she said she saw it, and she just texted me,
I think they're going down look at it.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Okay, So be warned if you're going to be tracked.
Because this was late last night. Chances are if they
are fixing it that they didn't get it fixed. I mean,
I wouldn't think that they got it fixing in that
short amount of time. Yeah.
Speaker 12 (34:52):
Well, and like everything else in your car, when you're
you think you're completely innocent on everything, you feel violated,
you know. And then I got all this information. You
can turn it in and and quarter Claims will pay you.
It'll take forever. And I thought, well, if I do that,
(35:16):
the taxpayers have to pay it.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
You know.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
That's you.
Speaker 12 (35:20):
Yeah, right, So I don't know what I'm going to do.
I may just eat it, you know. So do you
have a good Christmas? I had a real nice Christmas,
and and you know, with charity in town.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
When when does he go back?
Speaker 8 (35:36):
Twelve?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Okay, so he got him for a while then.
Speaker 12 (35:39):
Yeah, it's it's just you know him and Andrew both.
I mean, it just makes me melt. When you're seventy
five years old and you have children that age, it's
kind of like having grandchildren. Yeah, it is so one
to nineteen, and one's going to be eighteen in February,
(35:59):
so it's pretty exciting.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
And he's still enjoying his his time at the military.
It's hard, yeah, and the way said it would be easy,
it's really hard. And you went through a military I.
Speaker 12 (36:13):
Went through three years of military school and then two
years in the Marine Corps. Yeah, and I'm still trying
to figure out how how the Steelers got beat by
the brown How does that happen?
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Yeah, well, you know it's why I was talking you know,
Rich Lindsay, the judge is a big Steeler fan, and
I said, hey, at least your team is still alive.
My team's Dallas and they're you know, they're they're they're out.
They've been out for a couple of weeks by the Browns. Yeah,
it's it's pretty bad. Aaron Rodgers did not look good.
But I mean the Bills also didn't do so well
yesterday either. But uh, my wife's family, they're all big
(36:46):
Bears fans, you know, being from Chicago, so they're they
got beat last night, but they're they're feeling pretty good.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
But I like coach.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
I'm a big coach Tomlin guy. And any other time
that touchdown in the end zone. I saw to my
neighbor about this, who's a Steeler fan. That final play
when Rogers put the ball in the end zone, that
was past interference. But they're not going to call it
on the last play of the game. That was I mean,
that's that's simply not gonna happen. And Rogers was looking
around for a flag and in my opinion, that was
past interference. However, they're simply not going to call that
(37:18):
on the last player of the game. Do you do
New Year's resolutions?
Speaker 8 (37:21):
No?
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, I don't need it. I don't either. I will
say this. This is the time of year, though, Danny,
when people do tend to look back and look ahead,
and I want to. I want to look back on
the national front. Any major surprises for you on the
national front, I mean, you know, Trump's popularity on the
(37:44):
on a nationwide level continues to go down. Not in
West Virginia, though so in any big surprise, Not in
West Virginia, though so in any big surprises in the
year twenty.
Speaker 12 (37:55):
Twelve, life, wait and see what happens on this medical front. Okay,
let's see what happened. I want to explain something to
people about the Affordable Care Act.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
It passed.
Speaker 12 (38:08):
Two thousand and ten something like that, and they had
we were able to get a bunch of Medicare money,
I mean Medicaid money. You were able to get it
if you wanted it, and we were one of the
states said let's go for it. Or I can't remember
what year it was, Okay, we'll look it up. But
(38:31):
so it really helped this state. You know, we're a
poor state. There were two the Affordable Care Act was
propped up by taxes, and I'll give you two. One
was the medical device tax, and when the Republicans got
in charge, boom, it's gone. The second was what's called
(38:57):
a Cadillac tax on mainly union healthcare plans because they
were so good, they were going to add a tax
to those. Well, well, can't have that. So that's another
tax that was gone, the Affordable Care Act. Just what
(39:19):
the biggest accomplishment of the Affordable Care Act was to
tell people you have to insure people. You know people
that you can't just tell them you can ensure them.
You're going to ensure them. It's an exchange. You can
buy insurance. It's expensive, it's got high deductibles, and but
(39:44):
it's but that's all it is, really is an exchange.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
The Obamacare Affordable Care Act signed into law by President
Obama March twenty third, twenty ten.
Speaker 12 (39:54):
Yeah, and then the Republicans took over, Remember how they
got shell liked. The Republicans took over, and they just
they wanted to get rid of it just because it
was They named it Obamacare, which I noted is a
term of disrespect. But then Obama picked it up.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Yes he wasn't the first one that said it, but
he kind of took and ran with it.
Speaker 12 (40:19):
And if they'd have left those taxes in place, it
may it may have helped drive the price down. But
if you're going to drive the price something down, you've
got to have money coming in to make that work.
And when you strip away the taxes to make that happen,
(40:44):
the price is going to go up. And that's what
happened to the.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Affordable Care Act became not so affordable.
Speaker 12 (40:50):
Well, in the Affordable Care Act is a Republican plan.
You know, the guys that came up with it were Republicans.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
We'll talk about the some of the election stuff, of course,
you know, we we we saw some Democrats uh uh
that were elected in some pretty contentious races, and Republican
governors and things of that nature. New Jersey, uh, Virginia
has its first female. It wasn't that much of a
surprise because some of those areas were we were you know,
(41:19):
blue areas.
Speaker 12 (41:19):
Anyway, they yeah, it wasn't a big deal, right, Okay, what.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
About Mundammie though, you were the first person that I
had heard anywhere especially you know.
Speaker 12 (41:30):
You better watch what's gonna happen in New York.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
To come on this show. Whenever he announced he was running,
and you said keep an eye on this, and and
he won, and he won handily, well in New York City.
Speaker 12 (41:43):
Let me tell you something about him. Here's what he's
going to learn pretty quickly. They're going to have a
bad winner up there, and he's going to learn what
it what it's like to have to deal with snowplows
and garbage and picking up garbage with snowplows or I mean,
being mayor is not just about It's not an exercise
(42:07):
in philosophy. And Albany is not going to allow him
to do some of this socialist baby talk raising taxes
on people. And if they do raise taxes on people,
(42:31):
I mean, no, I don't know where Steven Schwartzman. He
lives in the most expensive building in New York. He
lives in John D. Rockefeller, the first One's old apartment,
And I don't know where his legal residence is. But
he's a multi, multi, multi billion billion billionaire, and I
was thinking he could keep that apartment and he could
(42:54):
stay there five and a half months a year, and
he could moved to Florida. And and that's what a
lot of them will do if it gets real bad.
And it's already I mean, people have already left. They've
left California and they've left New York over the taxes, right.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
I got a couple of friends of mine who are
from southern West Virginia. They both live in New York City,
and they both tend to be a little bit more liberal.
One of them much more than the other. And he
and I, you know, kind of text back and forth
about things going on to New York City. He seems to think,
and he's somebody that's got some money, okay. He seems
(43:36):
to think that people are pushing the panic button on Mondamie.
And I never asked him whether he voted for him
or not, but he seemed to think people are pushing
the panic button because of that term democratic socialist, that
a lot of the things. Much like Trump, he's going
to be able to say I'm going to do this,
do this, and this, but not be able to actually
do it.
Speaker 12 (43:55):
Yeah, but his his Yeah, his rhetoric though, is pretty
and for me, it's pretty pretty dangerous.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
I mean, what's the most dangerous thing you've heard.
Speaker 12 (44:05):
He's an Islamist. He's a he's like, he wants to
turn New York into dearborn Michigan. And there's giantist and
there's Islamist, and Islamist is a person that wants to
go through the system but turned everything into Islam and
(44:28):
Suria and the whole business. And I believe that's what
he is. And of course he doesn't believe Israel should
have the right to exist.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
So how does he get elected in New York City?
Speaker 12 (44:38):
I don't know. I'll never figure that out. I mean,
it wasn't even closed, Danny, twenty five years after nine
to eleven. I mean, you just couldn't. You couldn't make
it up.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
And it wasn't just the promise we got to go
to break? But was it? Was it just the promise
of a lot of free stuff and forced affordability.
Speaker 12 (45:01):
I just think yeah, And I think it's the the
AOC effect, you know. I think it's AOC and her crowd.
And George Will said he's all for it, because when
you have a socialist and trying to do some of
(45:23):
the foolishness, is this guy wants to do It'll, I'll
turn people around pretty quickly.
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Speaker 12 (48:25):
That's very kind, Thank you very much. The books, I'm
hoping they'll be in this week or next week. I've
got two hundred hardbacks coming in, and about one hundred
and forty of them should go to Taylor Books. Now,
Taylor Books will not allow me to have another book sounding,
(48:45):
so they'll just be there, Okay, you ain't good and
buy them, and another fifty are going to go over
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Yeah, you mentioned that last week.
Speaker 12 (49:01):
It's over on Central Avenue. We call it Bill's Books, okay,
because it's operated by Bill. But he's he sends them
out and he's got orders for them already. He's already
got fifty fifty orders of books sold. And they've got
almost they've they've got almost like oh, they've got over
(49:22):
one hundred orders down there Taylor Books. It's a good book.
It's a Charleton book. It is it's great. And if
all that doesn't work, you can go to Amazon now.
On Amazon right now, you have to buy the paperback.
But I got a paperback and it's not bad at all.
It's it's good. It's just different, but it looks the
(49:45):
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Speaker 4 (49:47):
It's a book. And so I had to let us
know when we get them back in circulation because people
have been blowing me up asking about it too. So
I want to make sure I get it on the
air so people will know about it. Texas can Danny
point to a source that who's mom Doami is an Islamist.
Most of what I've seen from him, he doesn't even
address religion.
Speaker 12 (50:05):
Well, you'd have to go back. He's his words towards
Israel and uh you mean now, oh okay, I agree, okay,
but his history is uh his he's in Islamist. He
he he wants to do what they've done in Dearborn, Michigan.
(50:27):
They've got streets named after terrorists. I mean they want
to I mean they want the women to be wearing
the beekeeper suits.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
I mean he's he actually said that though, because I
haven't seen that.
Speaker 12 (50:41):
What Madami, Well, you haven't heard it because you haven't
been paying attention to him. Now, I mean, now, he's.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Not gonna say okay, okay, I got, you got, but
he's got a history, okay, all right, all right. But
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Mayor Goodwin's already an outsplans that she's gonna run for
reelection for a third term, and then she says, that's it,
all right, anybody runs against her.
Speaker 12 (51:16):
I don't know of anybody. I told her. I don't
think so. I told her a long time ago, run
for seven terms, but don't run for one more term,
and you want to now, I think she realizes three
terms is enough. Three terms is enough for me. But
I ran for four and I got the Civic Center done.
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But my help started turning on me, council turned on me,
and plus I didn't want to be there, and you
can tell it, and I mean I did, but I didn't.
I didn't have the enthusiasm I had the first time,
and I was in my mid sixties. And but I'm
(52:01):
I'm I mean, I wouldn't trade my I enjoyed being
mayor of Charleston. I didn't enjoy anything like being sheriff
of Kenoda.
Speaker 6 (52:11):
Man.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
That was the dream job for you, that was the
Oh my god, wait for book two. Maybe you should
do a whole book about just your time of sheriff
and nothing else.
Speaker 12 (52:20):
I'm writing, here's this time of year.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
Ago I couldn't get you to write a book, and
now you're become Stephen Keing.
Speaker 12 (52:26):
I'm writing. I've already written twelve short stories.
Speaker 4 (52:31):
All right, so we'll look forward to reading. Danny. We'll
talk to you next week. Thank you, all right, Thanks
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So I think you're all caught up for now coming
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zero and we'll welcome into the show now. Attorney Charleston
City Councilman also policy director for Energy Efficient West Virginia,
and Pepper's here. How you doing, my friend, I'm doing great.
(03:24):
I got to listen to that Christmas show. That's a
great line up. Those are also of my favorite people. Yeah,
I mean it's somebody told me complimented, said what a
great show it was. I said, well, it wasn't because
of me. I can tell you that it was because
of Pushkin and Amos Steele and of course all the
other folks we threw in there as well, and Elisha
is just fantastic. So yeah, it's a great show. It
(03:46):
was a was a great show. I mean, I several
people really love the music, and I mean they just
he used to get people sitting around and jamming a
little bit, and I, who have no musical ability whatsoever,
just try to play along.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
Likewise, I used to do radio show together. Actually okay
on the little station here.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Okay, I got you.
Speaker 8 (04:04):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yeah, Well she's fantastic talent. I mean, she really really is.
And she and the interesting thing about that show is
it is you know, uh, Pushkin and Johnny Compton who's
a name of Steele, had gone back and forth, you know,
texting thing they rehearsed in the green room. That's the
only time that they ever got together. And just watching
to me as a non musical person, watching the way
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musical minds work and just saying, okay, well let's do
it in this key, and just jumping in and knowing
that you know, maybe they didn't know the music, but
they figured it out, and.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
It was It's amazing. It's magic to me.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
It's magic to me. Yeah, I didn't realize. So I
actually wrote all that out. You wear a lot of hats,
Attorney Charleston City Councilman, director for Energy Efficient West Virginia.
But primarily what I one to focus on today, and
you and I talked about this a little bit over
the weekend. Is your role as an attorney, particularly when
it comes to student loans, and you've got some concerns
(05:00):
as it has to do with the Department of Education.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
Yeah, there's some there's some things coming up that people
should be aware of and make sure that they're protected
if they have student loans. The BIDAMIN or the big
The administration, the Trump administration, a lot of them has
announced that they're going to start garnishing wages for student
loans that are in default. And one of the concerns
I have is that there's going to be people who
(05:25):
don't even realize they're in default. There's a lot of
people it's out of side, out of mind, and they're
like maybe maybe they forgot about me, you know. But
so there's a concern that you know, if they're in default,
that that that could that they could start heading having
their wages garnished. And if they don't have their address
updated with this with the federal government on, you know,
this Department of Education, they may not get noticed of
it and it might be a big surprise.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Well and when you think about it, I mean, one
of the chances that somebody has the same address, you
know that they had twenty years ago when they were
in college.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
Right, and hopefully they've been on there since then, thirty
whatever the case may be, right, right, Yeah, I mean,
so just got to make sure it's updated and stuff
like that, because there's been a lot of pausing, you know,
even just the last five years, there was you know,
there's the pause for COVID and so you know, maybe
that people have moved and just didn't think to go
on the student one website.
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you don't know, Kennhut, all right, I'm just gonna ask
an obvious question here, not trying to be argumentative or
(06:34):
anything like that, but it's question's got to be asked,
is what's the problem with that? I mean, if they
took out the loans, shouldn't they have to pay them back?
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Well, I mean yeah, yes, could be you know, it
depends on their situation and stuff like that. I mean,
the weird thing about student loans is, you know, I'm
a bankruptcy attorney. That's what I do most of the
that's the hat I wear most of the right, right, Yeah,
And so what we see with that, unfortunately, they're treated
a lot differently, uh than other debts, and so you
can't it's very very difficult. Now that I have had
(07:05):
some success in the last you know, a couple of
years to help people get out of student owners through bankruptcy, but.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
It's very difficult to do that.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
You have to you know, jump through some hoops and
there's some you know, it's not everybody can. So that's
one thing is that it's it's you can't even if
you're in the situation where you're you're drowning in debt,
you have to find bankruptcy. You're still stuck with those
and even in that context, and it's it's a little
bit walking. So I'm not going to get into it,
but basically, you know, you can be in bankruptcy and
(07:32):
there's a kind of bankruptcy we have to make payments
and stuff, and you actually the student loans will get
treated worse than other debts that you have that you can.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Uh congress, you know, so I think, I mean you
would think that a debt is a debt. I mean
that's as a total outside I mean you would think
that a debt is a debt. I mean that's as
a total outsider looking in. A debt is a debt
is a debt. And you know, I don't know why
it would be treated.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
In so taxes, for instance, you know, you can't get
your taxes dis char if you you know, we're you
have one hundred thousand dollars taxes or something from last year.
You can't just fall bankruptcy and get rid of those.
But if you do make payments, they get paid first.
But student loans it's not like that. It's that you
just they're just treated like every other debt, except you
can't get rid of them. And a lot of that
(08:17):
goes back to I mean, these a lot of the
court cases and stuff, they hasn't they haven't changed this
for a long time. So a lot of the court
cases and stuff are from the nineties, from uh, you know,
even sometimes the eighties whatever like this is and things
aren't way different in terms of student loans since then.
I mean, I went to school in the in the
late nineties. You probably think went in their early nineties
or late eighties.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
You didn't have to say that, but go ahead, okay, sorry,
but you know.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
It's it's different now.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
It's a lot more expensive that the debt amounts are
a lot more and so, you know, unfortunately, I think
that there, you know, it was there was a lot
of it was misunderstood about how that was and so
and nothing's changed since then because that's the precedent.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Well, and one of one of the terms that I
have heard, and again we're talking with Attorney Immit Pepper,
one of the terms I've heard is the term predatory
lenders h and that you know, look, nobody is saying
and I've been very adamant about this, and you're saying, yes,
you know, you do need to pay it back. But
but there is there any onus, on on the lending
(09:18):
institutions or the government or whomever that these loans came from.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Yeah, and and there actually are some protections around that.
Speaker 7 (09:24):
I mean, so like, for instance, you know, Mountain State
University that went out of business.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
There's a lot there's other colleges.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Like that they can be treated a little bit if
it's worth talking to turn your somebody about. If you
have a situation where your school you know, went under,
you know, it could be that that's a reason to
get rid of the student loans because it's you know,
the value that you were getting was not what you
thought you were getting what you should should have gotten.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
And there's things like that. But but yeah, you.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Know, and just to be clear, this this new thing
with Garnish forth, this is only for the federally backed
student loans. There's also the private student loans that some
of those are very predatory especially and then but yeah,
if there's an issue with the school, there's things you
can do with that. So there there are options for
things like that. But look, I mean there's somebody's on
(10:10):
social Security, somebody's you know, in their sixties or seventies
and they still have student loans.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
There are some situations where it's still very challenging to
be able to get rid of them. And and it
just something about that seems wrong because they've been making
a lot of times, they've been making payments well over
the amount that they've actually you know, borrow double or
something like that or more. And and so you know, yes,
people should pay their debts, no question about that.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
But there are you know, there are laws in place.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
There are you know, steam releases in place, so that
where you know, if there's an issue where they should
be able to wipe out debt and start fresh. That's
what bankruptcy has been has been around for hundreds of
years for you know, in our you know, I don't
wanna say this flip on our president uses everybody uses
it because it's it is a tool that's that is fair,
and there's a there's a process. But unfortunately, with student loans,
(10:59):
there's no way out.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
And so how does that change. That's a congressional thing
that would have to change in congress. Yeah, okay, all right.
We have a text here. I don't know if you
can help with this or not, but it says, is
there any type of support or relief you can get
for your student loan payments if your spouse was declared
disabled by their doctor but took like six or seven
years to get any type of money, so you are
a one income family with no welfare at all.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
I'm not gonna give avice on the area. It could
be there could be something there. Yeah, I mean there's
it's every situation is different and I talk to people
all the time about this, and there's each situation has
its own unique things, and there may be good options
for making it less burden some so you can actually
afford to make it. And look, I mean that's that
is the truck, you know, just putting in the you know,
(11:46):
their perspective, the Trump administrations say, look, we need to
get more payments coming in, and you know, just garnishing
someone's wages, making it so they can't live that isn't
necessarily going to I mean, I guess get some money in,
but but it's not going to be good for our
for our I don't think. And so you know, there's
there's things that we can do being paractive. This is
not something where you can just partick your head in
the sand. You have to be proact. You have to
(12:07):
look into it. If you get the notice, you got
to do something about it. And there are things you
can do.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
So you would urge them to contact an attorney, contact
an attorney or you know, there's actually stuff you can do.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
If you get yours, you should in the notice find
out that you can dispute it, and there's a basis
for it, but you know, you can dispute it. There's
some bases that you could actually get out from under
that you can also it's called rehabilitate your loan, where
you can get you can get out of default.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
There are ways you can you can do that.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
And then of course maybe the last choice would be,
you know, something like bankruptcy. But none of these are
great options. None of them are silver bullets.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Well, I before we let you go, I'll ask you
about a couple of the other hats you you wear.
What's what's what's coming in the new year from Energy
Efficient West Virginia.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
Well, we just issued so the governor has this fifty
by fifty plan, So fifty gigawats by twenty fifty. So
that's tripling the amount of power that we have on
the grid. And we just sent a comment send. I'm
happy to send it to you, and I think I
send it to Jeff over here this morning about that plan.
And you know, our perspective is, look, we need to
be doing If we're going to be doing that, I
(13:10):
don't know if that's a good idea or a bad
idea to have that much power, but we definitely need
to be doing everything. We need to be doing things
to help rate payers to take control of their bills.
So having battery to make it easier for that battery
back up make it easy for you to have their
own power.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I want to ask you before we let you go
about your at large seat on Charleston City Council? Do
you have it? Is there a council meeting tonight?
Speaker 6 (13:34):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
I thought they might take off for the for the hobbidays.
You're gonna run for reelection?
Speaker 6 (13:39):
I haven't announced jet.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Okay, all right, all right, all right, but you can
always come here and announce one way they are okay, okay, Yeah,
you will make it a thing. Yeah, I'll even let
you bring donuts. Isn't that nice of me?
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I will do that.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, but Pepper, I appreciate youall. Wait a minute, if
you file bankruptcy, will you lose your house? So it's
a texture. I mean, I guess it depends on the situation.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
Yeah, I mean most of the time, we well, I
just say, I mean the way the kind of bankruptcy
that we file is the kind that we you know,
we would make sure that you protect your house. I mean,
we don't we don't file bankruptcy where people lose their
house if they don't want to.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
All right, Emma Pepper, It's always pleasure. I V in
the show Man. You two thanks, I'll having a happy,
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Welcome back to the show. It's nine twenty three tech,
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Lindsay Hainy doing my friend. Hey, good morning man, how
you doing. You know I'm doing well. This is kind
of interesting. I've been doing the show. It'll be six
years in May. This may be the first time that
I've ever had a guest to be on back to
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(17:08):
mayor that happened that you know, or a subject like
Rogatta or something like that. But you were on the
Wednesday show and then now you're back again. So you
just want to take the job. Is that what you
want to know?
Speaker 11 (17:19):
I said, can I be judge? If you take this job,
I might want to trade up with you. I don't know,
certain days you probably do. Maybe maybe I'm just a
special guy. I tell you what I was thinking about
this afterwards, And I don't know what the ratings are,
but I got a hope and believe that the Christmas
Show it gets better every year, you know, I mean.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Not because of the host. I can tell you that
it's it's it's it's the talent.
Speaker 11 (17:41):
The first year I was on it was with Caitlyn
boy tech yep, right out of Lovi County, right.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
She was great.
Speaker 11 (17:46):
And then Elisha's been here a couple of years for violin,
and then I didn't even know the amous band steal
Yeah existed, and it's been on my Spotify since the show.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
It's so, I mean, are they fantastic or what? Great?
And it's that's just that's my kind of music. That's
what I like, a little southern rock, little blues. And
I'll get a quick plug in because Tony the Taylor
would want me to do this. I think they're doing
New Year's Eve out at Marty gar Casino, so I'll
get a little part in there for him, and right,
all right, so all right, So what happened to you
Steelers yesterday?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Man?
Speaker 11 (18:15):
You know, I took the family up to Cleveland yesterday
thinking that the Steelers were gonna win the AFC North there.
I wanted to be there for it. And no, no, good, no, no,
not happening. The worst game I think I've ever seen,
definitely the worst game I've seen in person. And then
I like to watch baseball. I like to go to
PNC Park and watch the Pirates, and uh so I
(18:37):
rarely go to football games, and this is probably like
the third or fourth one. And I didn't realize by
looking on stub Hub with the where we were. We
ended up we were in the nosebleed, so we were
right there. That lake effect wind was coming in right
across our faces at the very top, and it was wet,
and the Steelers put put together probably the worst game
I've seen all season.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
So well, at least your team is still playing for
a division title next weekend. You know, the Cowboys will
play the Giants to close out the season without making
the playoffs. But you know, people just get all bothered
when I say this. Dak Prescott had an incredible year.
He's a cowboy. He had an MVP type year except
for the defense. We could score thirty eight, but the
(19:21):
other team was scoring forty five and fifty or something
like that. But you know, the offensive offensive explosion for
the Cowboys, but unfortunately a defensive explosion on the other way.
So we can't stop anybody. All right, So I'm going
to ask you about about your first year on the
bench overall. Overall, your takeaway overall, I like my job.
Speaker 11 (19:44):
I like being judge, and I think, you know, as
far as a takeaway, I think that the judges here
in this Circuit Court of Kanall County, and the prosecutors
and defense attorneys in the bar here in Kanall County
just do a pretty good job. I mean really, I
mean as a lawyer, I practice for sixteen years before
it became a judge. And you know, as a lawyer
you always have your complaints and criticisms about, you know,
(20:07):
how certain circuits or certain judges do this, that or
the other. But no complaints from what I can tell.
I mean, I think we all do a pretty good job.
And it is as far as the substance of the cases.
I mean, you go in knowing that, for example, abuse
neglect cases and truancy cases are going to take up
a lot of your dock at juvenile cases, but you
(20:29):
don't realize how much until you're actually there in it,
and you know, you try to work and do the
best you can, you know, and administer justice where you
can and try to get resolution where you can, which
I think is important. So that's kind of I don't
know if that's what you're asking. That's kind of my
view of it.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I mean, was that everything that you expected to be
and what kind of surprises did you?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Well?
Speaker 11 (20:52):
I mean, again, I think everyone tells you and you
read stories in the paper about again, you know, some
of the horrific things that come out of those abuse
and neglect cases, and then you're in it and you
actually see where you know, evil does exist in the world,
and uh that that can be tough to taste.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yeah, And I always thought you're absolutely right about that.
I always thought when when you're dealing and you're on
the bench in a in a small community and let's
face them by West Virginia standards, Charleston is a large community,
but by nationwide standards, it's a small community. And you
are tasked judge with with situations where you I don't
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know that you're going to know the people necessarily, but
you certainly know the areas that they come from, and
and and you see a lot of the same type cases.
I would think that would make a little bit more difficult.
Speaker 11 (21:41):
As a judge.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 11 (21:45):
I mean other than other than the Again, the the
the scenario, scenarios and circumstances that may make part of
may may make some people's nightmares that you see in
front of you, the fact patterns. The other thing too
is that the you know, being able to put your
own opinion aside and just do what the law says,
(22:08):
and that that that that's that can be tough. And
you know there have been I've had a number of
cases and I can't go into details. So firstly, but
where you know, uh, citizen Lindsey or former state Senator
Lindsay may have thought one thing, but the law says
the other. And then that that's so important to follow
through as a judge, to do what the law requires.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
That goes back to your training as an attorney too,
because I mean as an attorney, you know, you've you've
got to work with your clients on on just yeah,
and I just had an attorney on right before you
and yeah, and you have to you have to you
have to take a look at the law, you know,
and uh and not and not always your opinions.
Speaker 11 (22:47):
Absolutely and it and it's just to do that because
you know, the judiciary is the consistency and stability of
our government, right. That's why you there are certain rules
in place like stereodecisives, which is a fancy way of
saying judges must follow precedent because that's what the electorate
and the government require to stabilize the system of government
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that we have the luxury of having here in America.
So I think that's important. That's an important role for
judges to fulfill.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
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the public?
Speaker 11 (23:53):
Rich?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
I mean, because here's what you hear all the time,
and again this kind of goes back to what you
said about following the law. There is a conception, misconception
whatever all over where people say, well, you know the
you know, there's some horrific case or maybe not a
horrific case, and they read the headlines. You know that
(24:16):
the people don't feel that that the penalties were harsh enough.
And I would think that's one of the misconceptions sometimes
is that as judges you are tasked again with doing
what the law says when they're sentencing guidelines and things
like that. Is that one of the biggest misconceptions, you think.
Speaker 11 (24:34):
You know, I think that that that probably is the case.
I mean I think that, you know, most people don't
know enough about the law. And that's no criticism of them.
I mean, most people don't find themselves in the judicial building, right,
Most people don't find themselves in hiring lawyers or or
before courts. So it's kind of a unique circumstance for them,
(24:55):
especially without that experience. And you know, I think that
the I think the judiciary we could do a little
bit more in educating the public. But that's for a
different day. But but as far as a misconception, I
think you're correct, Dave. I mean I think that you know,
you see a headline and you see someone get a
sentence that you can't understand. More often than not, judges
(25:17):
really don't have a choice. It's not like you can
add any more time than what the statute allows for
a particular penalty or a plea. And and so I
you know, I would just ask those folks who may
be upset with any any decision of judge makes try
to do take take a breath, maybe do a little
(25:38):
research and figure out, you know, whether or not you
believe he or she did the right thing.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
And you're a former legislator, as you mentioned, you were
state state senator. Some of those things, you know, you
probably just I know you can't do this, but you
probably just want to say, hey, contact your legislator. You know,
I'm going by what the law says here.
Speaker 11 (25:52):
Yet absolutely absolutely they you know, the legislature, they they
make the law. Right that just like any any eighth
grade Civics course, right, you know, the executive enforces the law,
the legislature makes a law, and the judiciary interprets the law.
So it you know that if you keep that in mind,
and then like I said, you know, take a moment
(26:12):
in time or a couple of moments to take a
look at what actually is happening, then I think people
would be more be more comfortable with any decision. Having
said that, like I said, I think that you know,
we could probably do more as judges or as a
judiciary and educating the public. And I know the Supreme
Court's done a good job of opening the process up
(26:33):
to the public. They've got a lot of things going
on over there at the Capitol Building that is more interactive,
and they go see justices, go see students at schools
throughout the state. And I think that's good too.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
So go back to your time as a legislator, a
state senator. What what was it that What were some
of the things that you encountered as a legislator that
you think may may help you out as a judge.
Speaker 11 (26:57):
I think that, you know, one of the things I've
always prided myself and when I was in the legislature
and just generally speaking, and I enjoy being around people
and I try to take I try to give them
as much opportunity to talk to me. And that's what
was the same with the legislature. I was always available
to my constituents to talk to me and to hear
(27:19):
me out if they disagreed with me, or hear me
out to try to help them. And I try to
take that same type of direction in the courtroom. I
really try to take my time and explain my decision
one way or the other. Give everyone an opportunity to speak.
I think half the time, you know, people just want
that opportunity to be heard by somebody. And if you
(27:42):
have a claim or a controversy in my courtroom, I
always try to make the extra effort to give you
that time to speak.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
So so Richard Lindsay, it's always a pleasure to have
you on the show, my friend. It's always too quick.
Speaker 11 (27:55):
I mean, you know, I got the time, man, I know,
I appreciate you, and I appreciate the opportunity to talk
to you. I saw the mayor in before.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah you know, yeah, I.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
Guess he's taking up Mayor Mondays now.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's on every Monday.
Speaker 12 (28:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
We got to sell. We're trying to sell some books
for him. I hear you. I hear you. By the way,
if you haven't gotten I will get an update on
what the status of the books are. You got to
read the book. Well, last I heard it was sold
out yet it is, but you're supposed to be more
coming in so after the first of the years. So
we'll talk to Danny about that. Read the book, rich
you'll you'll really enjoy it, all right. I would. I
would give you my copy, But our goal is to
sell the books. So sorry, you're gonna have to park
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Danny Jones is here. Hey, doing man, I'm doing all right.
Thank you for being here. So what's the deal with
the tire man? You posted this picture on social media
of your tire got just basically slashed by our bridge.
(31:58):
Talk about it.
Speaker 12 (32:00):
We were all coming back from Jarrett in town, you know,
we were all coming back from Cracker Barrel. So we're
crossing the bridge going to the east end and right
there at the beginning of the bridge. I want people
to know this and watch out for it, because I'm
(32:21):
not the only one people have told me, and it
my tire hit that hit whatever it was there and
it put a hole in the tire big enough for
Jarrett to put his fists through.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
I mean, it didn't look like that's not your run
of the mill. I hit a pothole, flat tire. It
looks like that. I mean that thing was demolished at
the picture I saw this posting.
Speaker 12 (32:43):
It was and it's going to take me till tomorrow
to get a tire to fit it. I so went
up last night and the Cadillac wouldn't start. So I
went up this morning. I said, I give it another shot,
and it started.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (32:58):
So I'm driving the Cadillac.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Okay. Look, now, explain exactly where what bridge that we're
talking about.
Speaker 12 (33:04):
Outside or the Canall City Bridge.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Okay. Let's suppose you're.
Speaker 12 (33:09):
Coming back from from you actually be heading west okay, okay,
but you're heading to the east end and right at
the beginning of the bridge that's where the hole is
and can All City Bridge Okay.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
And this is like a major, major pothole.
Speaker 12 (33:32):
It has to be.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
And when did this happen last last night? Okay?
Speaker 12 (33:35):
And and the funny thing is we got it back
and it didn't hurt the rim and uh, it's down
at JP Auto who I'd recommend on the west side
right now. And but it really tore it up bad.
So what I did was I posted the picture the
(34:00):
tire and then I notified people of be careful, and
I called, I don't know any other legislator, I don't
know those are legislators. Now, I called Katie Young, I said,
I know this in your area, She says, I don't care,
I'll help you. So I told her where it was.
(34:20):
And because it's dangerous.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Thirty six street Bridge is a technical name of it,
according to Attack.
Speaker 12 (34:25):
And so hopefully they're going to do something in channel thirteen.
I saw Savannah Young this morning at Starbucks and and
she said she saw it, and she just texted me,
I think they're going down look at it.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Okay, So be warned if you're going to be tracked.
Because this was late last night. Chances are if they
are fixing it that they didn't get it fixed. I mean,
I wouldn't think that they got it fixing in that
short amount of time. Yeah.
Speaker 12 (34:52):
Well, and like everything else in your car, when you're
you think you're completely innocent on everything, you feel violated,
you know. And then I got all this information. You
can turn it in and and quarter Claims will pay you.
It'll take forever. And I thought, well, if I do that,
(35:16):
the taxpayers have to pay it.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
You know.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
That's you.
Speaker 12 (35:20):
Yeah, right, So I don't know what I'm going to do.
I may just eat it, you know. So do you
have a good Christmas? I had a real nice Christmas,
and and you know, with charity in town.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
When when does he go back?
Speaker 8 (35:36):
Twelve?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Okay, so he got him for a while then.
Speaker 12 (35:39):
Yeah, it's it's just you know him and Andrew both.
I mean, it just makes me melt. When you're seventy
five years old and you have children that age, it's
kind of like having grandchildren. Yeah, it is so one
to nineteen, and one's going to be eighteen in February,
(35:59):
so it's pretty exciting.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
And he's still enjoying his his time at the military.
It's hard, yeah, and the way said it would be easy,
it's really hard. And you went through a military I.
Speaker 12 (36:13):
Went through three years of military school and then two
years in the Marine Corps. Yeah, and I'm still trying
to figure out how how the Steelers got beat by
the brown How does that happen?
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Yeah, well, you know it's why I was talking you know,
Rich Lindsay, the judge is a big Steeler fan, and
I said, hey, at least your team is still alive.
My team's Dallas and they're you know, they're they're they're out.
They've been out for a couple of weeks by the Browns. Yeah,
it's it's pretty bad. Aaron Rodgers did not look good.
But I mean the Bills also didn't do so well
yesterday either. But uh, my wife's family, they're all big
(36:46):
Bears fans, you know, being from Chicago, so they're they
got beat last night, but they're they're feeling pretty good.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
But I like coach.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
I'm a big coach Tomlin guy. And any other time
that touchdown in the end zone. I saw to my
neighbor about this, who's a Steeler fan. That final play
when Rogers put the ball in the end zone, that
was past interference. But they're not going to call it
on the last play of the game. That was I mean,
that's that's simply not gonna happen. And Rogers was looking
around for a flag and in my opinion, that was
past interference. However, they're simply not going to call that
(37:18):
on the last player of the game. Do you do
New Year's resolutions?
Speaker 8 (37:21):
No?
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, I don't need it. I don't either. I will
say this. This is the time of year, though, Danny,
when people do tend to look back and look ahead,
and I want to. I want to look back on
the national front. Any major surprises for you on the
national front, I mean, you know, Trump's popularity on the
(37:44):
on a nationwide level continues to go down. Not in
West Virginia, though so in any big surprise, Not in
West Virginia, though so in any big surprises in the
year twenty.
Speaker 12 (37:55):
Twelve, life, wait and see what happens on this medical front. Okay,
let's see what happened. I want to explain something to
people about the Affordable Care Act.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
It passed.
Speaker 12 (38:08):
Two thousand and ten something like that, and they had
we were able to get a bunch of Medicare money,
I mean Medicaid money. You were able to get it
if you wanted it, and we were one of the
states said let's go for it. Or I can't remember
what year it was, Okay, we'll look it up. But
(38:31):
so it really helped this state. You know, we're a
poor state. There were two the Affordable Care Act was
propped up by taxes, and I'll give you two. One
was the medical device tax, and when the Republicans got
in charge, boom, it's gone. The second was what's called
(38:57):
a Cadillac tax on mainly union healthcare plans because they
were so good, they were going to add a tax
to those. Well, well, can't have that. So that's another
tax that was gone, the Affordable Care Act. Just what
(39:19):
the biggest accomplishment of the Affordable Care Act was to
tell people you have to insure people. You know people
that you can't just tell them you can ensure them.
You're going to ensure them. It's an exchange. You can
buy insurance. It's expensive, it's got high deductibles, and but
(39:44):
it's but that's all it is, really is an exchange.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
The Obamacare Affordable Care Act signed into law by President
Obama March twenty third, twenty ten.
Speaker 12 (39:54):
Yeah, and then the Republicans took over, Remember how they
got shell liked. The Republicans took over, and they just
they wanted to get rid of it just because it
was They named it Obamacare, which I noted is a
term of disrespect. But then Obama picked it up.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Yes he wasn't the first one that said it, but
he kind of took and ran with it.
Speaker 12 (40:19):
And if they'd have left those taxes in place, it
may it may have helped drive the price down. But
if you're going to drive the price something down, you've
got to have money coming in to make that work.
And when you strip away the taxes to make that happen,
(40:44):
the price is going to go up. And that's what
happened to the.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Affordable Care Act became not so affordable.
Speaker 12 (40:50):
Well, in the Affordable Care Act is a Republican plan.
You know, the guys that came up with it were Republicans.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
We'll talk about the some of the election stuff, of course,
you know, we we we saw some Democrats uh uh
that were elected in some pretty contentious races, and Republican
governors and things of that nature. New Jersey, uh, Virginia
has its first female. It wasn't that much of a
surprise because some of those areas were we were you know,
(41:19):
blue areas.
Speaker 12 (41:19):
Anyway, they yeah, it wasn't a big deal, right, Okay, what.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
About Mundammie though, you were the first person that I
had heard anywhere especially you know.
Speaker 12 (41:30):
You better watch what's gonna happen in New York.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
To come on this show. Whenever he announced he was running,
and you said keep an eye on this, and and
he won, and he won handily, well in New York City.
Speaker 12 (41:43):
Let me tell you something about him. Here's what he's
going to learn pretty quickly. They're going to have a
bad winner up there, and he's going to learn what
it what it's like to have to deal with snowplows
and garbage and picking up garbage with snowplows or I mean,
being mayor is not just about It's not an exercise
(42:07):
in philosophy. And Albany is not going to allow him
to do some of this socialist baby talk raising taxes
on people. And if they do raise taxes on people,
(42:31):
I mean, no, I don't know where Steven Schwartzman. He
lives in the most expensive building in New York. He
lives in John D. Rockefeller, the first One's old apartment,
And I don't know where his legal residence is. But
he's a multi, multi, multi billion billion billionaire, and I
was thinking he could keep that apartment and he could
(42:54):
stay there five and a half months a year, and
he could moved to Florida. And and that's what a
lot of them will do if it gets real bad.
And it's already I mean, people have already left. They've
left California and they've left New York over the taxes, right.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
I got a couple of friends of mine who are
from southern West Virginia. They both live in New York City,
and they both tend to be a little bit more liberal.
One of them much more than the other. And he
and I, you know, kind of text back and forth
about things going on to New York City. He seems to think,
and he's somebody that's got some money, okay. He seems
(43:36):
to think that people are pushing the panic button on Mondamie.
And I never asked him whether he voted for him
or not, but he seemed to think people are pushing
the panic button because of that term democratic socialist, that
a lot of the things. Much like Trump, he's going
to be able to say I'm going to do this,
do this, and this, but not be able to actually
do it.
Speaker 12 (43:55):
Yeah, but his his Yeah, his rhetoric though, is pretty
and for me, it's pretty pretty dangerous.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
I mean, what's the most dangerous thing you've heard.
Speaker 12 (44:05):
He's an Islamist. He's a he's like, he wants to
turn New York into dearborn Michigan. And there's giantist and
there's Islamist, and Islamist is a person that wants to
go through the system but turned everything into Islam and
(44:28):
Suria and the whole business. And I believe that's what
he is. And of course he doesn't believe Israel should
have the right to exist.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
So how does he get elected in New York City?
Speaker 12 (44:38):
I don't know. I'll never figure that out. I mean,
it wasn't even closed, Danny, twenty five years after nine
to eleven. I mean, you just couldn't. You couldn't make
it up.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
And it wasn't just the promise we got to go
to break? But was it? Was it just the promise
of a lot of free stuff and forced affordability.
Speaker 12 (45:01):
I just think yeah, And I think it's the the
AOC effect, you know. I think it's AOC and her crowd.
And George Will said he's all for it, because when
you have a socialist and trying to do some of
(45:23):
the foolishness, is this guy wants to do It'll, I'll
turn people around pretty quickly.
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(48:16):
still a young man and he has many more productive
years to share with his kids. Great to hear his
historic information every Monday.
Speaker 12 (48:25):
That's very kind, Thank you very much. The books, I'm
hoping they'll be in this week or next week. I've
got two hundred hardbacks coming in, and about one hundred
and forty of them should go to Taylor Books. Now,
Taylor Books will not allow me to have another book sounding,
(48:45):
so they'll just be there, Okay, you ain't good and
buy them, and another fifty are going to go over
to There's a place several on the West side people
don't know about, Oh, West Virginia Company.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
Yeah, you mentioned that last week.
Speaker 12 (49:01):
It's over on Central Avenue. We call it Bill's Books, okay,
because it's operated by Bill. But he's he sends them
out and he's got orders for them already. He's already
got fifty fifty orders of books sold. And they've got
almost they've they've got almost like oh, they've got over
(49:22):
one hundred orders down there Taylor Books. It's a good book.
It's a Charleton book. It is it's great. And if
all that doesn't work, you can go to Amazon now.
On Amazon right now, you have to buy the paperback.
But I got a paperback and it's not bad at all.
It's it's good. It's just different, but it looks the
(49:45):
same and.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
It's a book. And so I had to let us
know when we get them back in circulation because people
have been blowing me up asking about it too. So
I want to make sure I get it on the
air so people will know about it. Texas can Danny
point to a source that who's mom Doami is an Islamist.
Most of what I've seen from him, he doesn't even
address religion.
Speaker 12 (50:05):
Well, you'd have to go back. He's his words towards
Israel and uh you mean now, oh okay, I agree, okay,
but his history is uh his he's in Islamist. He
he he wants to do what they've done in Dearborn, Michigan.
(50:27):
They've got streets named after terrorists. I mean they want
to I mean they want the women to be wearing
the beekeeper suits.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
I mean he's he actually said that though, because I
haven't seen that.
Speaker 12 (50:41):
What Madami, Well, you haven't heard it because you haven't
been paying attention to him. Now, I mean, now, he's.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Not gonna say okay, okay, I got, you got, but
he's got a history, okay, all right, all right. But
theyve Island showing five dye line bright you probably by
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advance by visiting Dblightthnight dot com. I wanted to bring
this up for you. Charleston has an election coming up.
(51:08):
Mayor Goodwin's already an outsplans that she's gonna run for
reelection for a third term, and then she says, that's it,
all right, anybody runs against her.
Speaker 12 (51:16):
I don't know of anybody. I told her. I don't
think so. I told her a long time ago, run
for seven terms, but don't run for one more term,
and you want to now, I think she realizes three
terms is enough. Three terms is enough for me. But
I ran for four and I got the Civic Center done.
(51:40):
But my help started turning on me, council turned on me,
and plus I didn't want to be there, and you
can tell it, and I mean I did, but I didn't.
I didn't have the enthusiasm I had the first time,
and I was in my mid sixties. And but I'm
(52:01):
I'm I mean, I wouldn't trade my I enjoyed being
mayor of Charleston. I didn't enjoy anything like being sheriff
of Kenoda.
Speaker 6 (52:11):
Man.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
That was the dream job for you, that was the
Oh my god, wait for book two. Maybe you should
do a whole book about just your time of sheriff
and nothing else.
Speaker 12 (52:20):
I'm writing, here's this time of year.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
Ago I couldn't get you to write a book, and
now you're become Stephen Keing.
Speaker 12 (52:26):
I'm writing. I've already written twelve short stories.
Speaker 4 (52:31):
All right, so we'll look forward to reading. Danny. We'll
talk to you next week. Thank you, all right, Thanks
a lot. No local show again tomorrow. Dale Cooper will
be in for me. I will be back later today
though on Metro News Midday with thirteen News and not
Live anchor Amanda Baron coming up later today. Brought to
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