January 1, 2026 • 54 mins
Carl, Lisa, and Hollis look back on 2025 and the amazing guests that were on the show. From Christy Martin to Sterling Sharpe, Alexis Hornbuckle to Dante Culpepper, Curt Warner to John Pennington, and so many more! A major thanks to YOU, the listeners, for tuning in and listening to the conversation. Best to all in 2026!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yeah, you gotta work.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
You gotta work. Ry signs mine gotta show everybody is
my sign you gotta work. Cry sign another mind say
to die this day line don't tell you gotta work.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Welcome to Let's Talk with Carl Lee. Let's Talk is
promptly presented by Attorney Frank Walker. Real Talk, Real experience,
Real results, Frank Walker Law dot Com. Let that conversation
begin on Let's talk.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, Miss Odie is in here
taking photos. Sorry, so she has kind of got us
off to a different start here. Well, first of all,
I'd like to say I hope that both of you
had a great holiday with your families and friends and
all that good stuff.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Uh, and all of our listeners the same to you.
Uh man, there's uh, we're gonna do somewhat of a
recap of some of the shows that we've that we've done,
and one of the one of the interesting ones to
me was Sterling Well hold of them. Let's let's set
(01:18):
it up a little bit far as just like this
year has been just amazing as far as the guests
that we were able to have on It's true, true,
I mean, just we're not going to be able to
cover everybody, right, but just far as just from Darryl
Talley to Kirk Warner to Sterling Sharp and Christen Mark
just all the amazing conversations that we were able to have.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Yeah, I mean it was just so wonderful to have
those those people, some were you know, in studios, some
called in. But but just to have the experience to
sit down and talk with these athletes and and and
just that their life experiences, what they're doing now you
know their past. You know, I just want to say
thank you personally to both of you and Carl for
(02:01):
you know, giving me the opportunity to come on to
this this podcast. Matt Murphy, he's been a great producer.
Dale Cooper's been nice. They b c HS has you know,
been great to us as well, and the audience of course.
But but yeah, this this year to me, I think,
I think we just had some phenomenal guests.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
And you know, and one of the one of the
and I'm going to go back to Sterling because I thought,
how we how you think we would get guests? You know,
everybody can kind of assume, well you probably call up
somebody and see if they'll do come on and all
that kind of stuff. And the interesting component about Sterling
(02:40):
was he's in West He's coming through West Virginia and
calls and says, hey, I want to be on a
show from the Hall of.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Fame, from the Hall of Fame Canton, right from Canon
being inducted.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Yes, we we end up being his first interview outside
of if it was a Canton, if he had an
interview at Campton. We were the next actually interview that
he had.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
I mean the gold Jacket, I mean, I think he
just took the exactly and.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
That was my first time to ever seeing one.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
And just to put it in context, you know, Stolle Sharp,
he's not you know, he's not a visitor here. You know,
this is somewhere he's been plenty of times. And he's
just so gracious. He can you know, if you're watching
him afar, he can come off one way, but he
is a very gracious and humble person and it was
just great to get to know him a little bit better.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Well. And again to your point, he is really a
nice guy and I think he works hard to try
to come across like he might not be, but he's
you know, again, here's a guy Who's coming to West
Virginia State when I'm coaching and working with the players,
like he's a coach and buying a you and buying.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Uniforms, buying uniforms, sponsoring us when we would go to
Charles Southern.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Hotel and food, I mean, who does that?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And we're going to try to get him another Hall
of Fame Jack here locally this year, so that that's
in the works now, But it was just, I don't know,
it was just so amazing to watch the ceremony and
the inductions and then like the next Monday, he's here.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
It was kind of surreal, wasn't it. And You're right,
he's got that tough persona that he likes to put
out there, but really he would give you the shirt
off his back.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
I mean he is.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
He's got the kindest heart, one of the kindest hearts
I've ever met in my life, so.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
He has said to me. And I did not know
this at all and have never even thought about it.
Our relationships started at the Pro Bowl and I had
gone into Pro Bowl a year before him, and I
was going on my second one and he was just
coming in on his first one, and so I was
like hey, you know, because I didn't know him personally,
(04:57):
but I knew we played against them, So I was like, hey, man,
come on with us. We're gonna go go over here
and go do some stuff over there and all that
kind of stuff. And to this day, I had no
idea really that that was that impactful. Yeah, for him
to to think and again for him to just to say, Okay,
I'm going to the I'm gonna I'm gonna drive back
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through West Virginia. And here's the other thing. He had
to know the time. He knew the time that we
were gonna be on, and he got here.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
To do the show on time, to do the show.
I'm surprised he drove. That was like, I was like,
you're driving. I thought he would be there. But and
I would also say like, if you're a younger listener,
if you're a parent, were young you know people who
liked football, man, go watch Thirling sharp football highlights.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
He was a total receiver. And I'm you're a packer family.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Remember I'm talking about had great hands, great route running,
could block, had acceleration. You know, he was just everything
you looked for in a rosceiver. I mean, had he
not got Hurt had maybe extra five or six seven years,
we would be talking Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Sterling, Sharp
Turrell on that that would be the you know, the
(06:11):
five receivers that we would be discussed. Well, because he
was in the he's in the he he was in
the Rice conversation when he started coming into the wash.
And he never really got to play with Brett Farr.
I think they played like what one or two seasons.
It wasn't making it wasn't it wasn't a lot. So
if he if he actually got to play with you know,
Hall of Fame quarterback man, I cannot imagine where his
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numbers would be out right now.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
And I've said this before. One of the most interesting
things to me about Sterling was him as silly as
he can be. He's doing that on the NFL Sunday game.
He is being that stupid, silly, crazy guy on the field,
(06:56):
Like I'm sitting there, I'm locked in, I'm trying to
cover him, and he's sitting there and he's talking to
me like, don't worry about it. I'm not getting the ball.
They're not they're not coming to me. It's gonna be
a run. And I'm trying to tell my other guys
don't talk to him, don't be around him, because he's
gonna laugh. He's gonna laugh you into the end zone.
And to this day, of all of the things that
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impressed me is that how do you play in the
NFL and have that much fun in the midst of
a game?
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Well, he had fun with us here, so fun.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
He knows how to have love.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Talking some some clips so you can hear a little
bit the interview that we did.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
This dude is laughing and joking.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
He's telling us in the huddle, why y'all even in
the huddle, y'all y'all just playing man the man in blitzing.
And I would I mean, I literally, I literally would
have to tell the dvs like, don't talk to him,
don't talk because he's gonna talk you into a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Thomas would talk.
Speaker 8 (08:08):
Late, Chris Dovean's okay, they're the highlight.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
To talk to me a little bit. They're not gonna
be on the highlight. That's gonna be us.
Speaker 8 (08:19):
And so you know, and that's the thing about enjoying
what you do.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Do you think that I hate to interrupt, but do
you think the fact that you you could enjoy it
so much. Had a lot to do with how great,
because I'm not gonna call it, notna call it good,
but how great?
Speaker 8 (08:35):
You know, I think what it is, Carl is like
I said about the destruction of sports.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
You gotta be a certain way.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
You gotta do it a certain way, you gotta understand
it a certain way. And I don't know if I
will live long enough for talk enough to be able
to explain to people that the phrase your best is
good enough actually is. And so when I was enjoying
playing football at the professional level, you know, my brother
(09:06):
talked trash, and his trash.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Talking with you did I talked trash.
Speaker 8 (09:11):
But I only talk to you because, man, we got
two and a half three hours to get through this thing.
I want you to come out healthy. I want to
come out healthy. You practice this week. I practiced this week.
In certain situations, we're going to have to go up
against each other for a pass or a block, And
I want your best just like you want mine. Well,
(09:32):
guess what, that don't make you a bad guy if
you win. You know that, you know so I always
wanted it to be. I'm doing what I want to do.
If you're not doing what you want to do at
the level you want to do it at. It's not
my fault, and so I always tried to enjoy whether
it was in Chicago or Minnesota or Tampa. I wanted
(09:55):
to play, enjoy playing, and my best was good enough.
I did my job better than anyone, because you only
get an opinion if you're paying bills or you.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Yeah, man, how great was that?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
And to that point, you know, that's probably just my
thinking about what he said. As far as enjoying the
sport while you have the opportunity to, that's probably my
biggest regret, you know, being a collegiate for But I
don't think I had fun enough. I don't think I
enjoyed it in the moment enough. So I think that's
(10:30):
why because he talked about we asked him specifically about
his career ending early. I think he only played seven
or eight seasons, and he essentially had no regrets about it.
And I think that's why, just because he enjoyed it,
and you could just see through the conversation, you can
feel through the conversation that you know he was genuine
in that sentiment, and.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
I loved all his little sayings he had He always
had this little saying like your best is good enough.
I mean, he he had these little quotes that just
kind of, you know, kept you, keep you grounded and
make you realize that it's about enjoying the moment, doing
your best, but being able to enjoy the moment.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
And I find it interesting too that he really never
actually ever patted himself on the back for really anything.
And he he really did change a lot what happened
with the package when he got there, Like, I mean,
(11:29):
he changed how that program was going, and he became
like he just all of a sudden just starts showing up.
And now you're talking about Jerry Rice and Sterling Sharp.
You know, he's in he's starting to become that same
name as those what we used to call the superstars.
He was that guy, and an unfortunate piece to that,
(11:50):
you know, obviously was the career ending injury, but as
him having him here, I don't know if I could
be more thankful, you know, to come here with He
could have called me, Yeah, he could have done anything
(12:12):
and said, hey man, what time is your show? Blah
blah blah blah. You know I can be on it
because I'm on my way home.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
He ain't say nothing could have gave us a superstar treatment.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Yes he didn't. He didn't. He didn't want any of that.
Like he just came, just showed up, popped up, sent
in a chair, and was ready to go.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Definitely an awesome moment. And I think, you know, the
transition from you know, the Hall of Famer, you know,
going to another football player again who I think embodies
sort of the heart and probably our intent of the show.
It's Kurt Warner, a guy who is an absolute legend
(12:53):
from you know, a very rural area of West Virginia,
who I would say probably most people don't even know
anything about, you know, just from his time at Poneville,
his time at Penn State, and obviously his time with
the Seattle Seahawks being an NFL running back. You know,
to me, this is kind of what we did. This
(13:16):
why this show started was to honor guys like him.
He has the ward named after him for the best
high school running back. But again, most people probably just
don't even know who he is. And I think for
us for him to be on the show and for
him to allow us to highlight who he is.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Was big and to that Hollis and I want to
thank you for even saying it that way, because Kurt
is not you know, he's not the guy that's going
to go out and chase any kind of attention. It's
just not who he is. And I can remember, you know,
(13:55):
meeting him at the North South and he had gotten
you know, the the best player in the state of
West Virginia, you know, and he was the Kennedy and
and you know Robert, who was my Robert Alexander, who
was my idol. He he was. There was a conversation
(14:15):
about who's the best between those two, and you know,
and you know, I was, you know, it's hard for
me not to pick Robert. But the thing about Kurt
was he he came, he came to me and Eddie
ray dyas and connected with us as if we had
(14:36):
been playing ball together all through high school. And and
it was it was amazing and and and I'm going
to tell this story. And I don't know what clip
we might play if we if we play on a
clip of him, but I can remember watching him the
first day that he actually got out in the shoulder
(14:57):
pads in the North South game, and he he was
coming in he I think he came in like maybe
like the third day and Hollis you know, I don't
know if you've ever seen, you know, anything, any clips
of Gael Sayers or that was the first person that
came to my mind when I was watching him praise man.
(15:19):
I was like, oh, my goodness, you.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Knew you were witnessing greatness, right, I knew.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
I knew that. Man, I'm getting ready to play in
the North South game with one of the best players
ever that I've ever physically seen.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
And again, to put it in context, if you have
not watched clips, please go watch clips of this man
in college. Specifically, this was a guy who played at Pineville,
a like I think double a school in pine We're
talking about a tiny, tiny school from Pineville, West Virginia, Mullins,
(15:58):
West Virginia in that area where Christy marsh from we'll
talk about her in a minute. But and then gets
a full scholarship to pen Say and again Penn State
when Penn State was pen Sate. We're talking about like
Ohio State depending in like context. Now it's like going
from you know, independent high school Shady Springs and you're
(16:19):
going to Ohio State and being a starting running back, right,
out of running at a shoot like I think his
third play like took a kick off back to the house.
I mean, we're talking about elite athleticism, jumping from the
smallest of rural areas in West Virginia to the height
of the heights.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
And to accomplish all that. Hollis to your point, he
to me when he came across as just humble. You know,
there's nothing flashy about him. He had a conversation with us,
it was, you know, very just like somebody you'd have
a conversation with at a coffee shop. You know, he
didn't let you know that he did all these great
(17:00):
until you asked him. We had to question him to
bring out all that information about what he did at Pennstad.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
See, I be.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Thinking, that's a problem. Got man, let it hang out. Man,
tell us what's what it is? And and and and and.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
And you know, I think to your I get what
you're saying, Hollins, But but people don't hear it that
way when you say it. They just they they just
don't hear.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
And you know, and no, no, no, no, no, that's
but that's that's a great example.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Why is it that it's okay for Dion and it's
not okay for me. I can't if I was at it,
but I'm just saying like it's just it's just it
just saddens me, like we just don't know these like
these great like giants of you know, at and athleticism
let me and and I didn't and I don't think
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I asked this in the show.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Did y'all play against each other when y'all were in
the NFL? Yes, okay, y we wish you had attack him.
And look, we are laying on the turf laughing because
I'm on top of him and he's down on the
pal and he's looking at me and he is laughing.
We are just we're laughing because we are thinking we
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went through the North South and I don't even think
I ever tackled him at the North South game because
I don't think, you know, probably like that.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
For the South and so and he killed the North,
you know. And now all of a sudden, I'm we're
in the league and I'm laying on the pal, laying
on top of him, and he's laughing. He's laughing because
he sees me before I even I mean, I know
it was him, but I'm not thinking about laughing, and
then I can't help it, but I'm laughing.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
We're sitting there laughing again NFL during a game. Two
guys from West Virginia playing in the North South and
we are on the football field in the National Football League.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
For a minute.
Speaker 9 (19:12):
I mean, there's always a chip on one shoulder, uh,
and there's you've got to have a reason to say,
you know, I can play at this level. And I
believe that I could play at that level from day one.
But it wasn't just because I you know, it wasn't
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something that I thought about with regards to well and
my second guessing what I can do and what I
can't do. I felt as though I could play there,
I belong there, and now it was just an opportunity
to get out there and chill with That's really You've
got to prove it to a certain degree because nobody's
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going to give you anything, especially at that level when
you've got five six I mean, I remember going into
our running back room and they had the you know,
the guys on the board my freshman year, and there
was like seven eight guys on that list, and I
remember seeing that and I was at the bottom of
the list, and it wasn't because my last name was arn.
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It said I was on the bottom of that list.
That's thinking myself, Okay, you know what, well, when I
get out of this camp, I'm not gonna be on
the bottom of this list when I finish here at
this camp. But that's what I was saying to myself.
But I was determined not to be on that bottom
of that list when it was all sitting done.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And see, that's what that's And that's the conversations I
love to have because again he's talking his ish in
his way when you talk about I'm big mindpower science
and you, you know, implement those beliefs in yourself and
it can really carry you because he could have came
into Penn State with the same talent, the same ability, everything,
but if he had doubt in his mind and he
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didn't believe in himself, he probably would have remained on
the bottom of that list. And I just love stories
like that, particularly a guy coming from West Virginia, a
guy coming into the quote unquote big city or on
the big stage, same thing with you and just having
that belief above anything else, because it is the belief
that's going to carry you not necessarily your work, not
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necessarily even your talent.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
I mean, that's part, but you gotta have a belief
on top of all that. And I think, and I think,
what's hard for a younger athlete to hear that clip
and not hear it as maybe arrogant or something like that,
and and and not see it as what it is.
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It's it's an individual confidence that you're saying that you
knew that you could play at that level. Now you
get you get the chance, and you do it, and
you do it exceptionally. You didn't lie, you know what
I'm saying, that belief. And I think most of the time,
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I think the young athlete says something, but maybe he
doesn't believe it, and he and and if he doesn't
believe it, he won't work.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Hard enough to achieve it. And it resonates because this
guy coming from where we're from.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Yeah, and you can just hear it in his voice.
He doesn't really raise his voice. It's just kind of,
you know, in a monotone way. He says, you know,
my name wasn't going to be at the end of
the bottom of the list by the time that the
season started. He said it in a way like that.
That's just a matter of fact. You know, he didn't
get overly emotional. You know, he just had a quiet
drive about him. I think I think he didn't have
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to go out there and and and and try to
be flashy or or say I'm the best. He showed
he was the best.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Honey Well, West Virginia way all the way. And that's
and when you look him up, that's Kurt with a C.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
So it is Kurt and and and and it is
and it's it's kind of shameful because we we shouldn't
have to give out that information like people should for
younger people for sure, But again we we we have
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we've heard our children because we have not acknowledged our
great athletes and and kept their name alive, kept their
success alive. We've we've failed in that category for whatever
the reason. And I don't know if it's because you
don't want the you don't want the athlete to get
(23:37):
cocky or or whatever. But they're But but you can
hear in in the last two clips, you hear people
talking about their individual confidence. Yeah they're not they're not
selling that out to the public. But you're never going
to be able to tell me no, man, You're not
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gonna make it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I think things just get lost with time and hopefully,
and I'm glad that we had the opportunity to do
our part in preserving that history and bringing it to
the masses.
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Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah you gotta work, You gotta work.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Ry sign is mine.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Gotta show everybody is my time? You gotta work right
sign Another mind from sad to don this day line
don't tell.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
You gotta work.
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Speaker 4 (25:33):
You know, we have another athlete from that area who
definitely got lost with time. You know when we talk about,
you know, the great Christy Martin and you know what
she meant.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Did y'all get to see the movie? Yeah? I did,
Yeah I did, Yeah, Yeah I did. It was it
was really really good movie.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I think it you know far as you know, just
got caught with maybe some bad timing as far as
just the time of which it came out, but excellent movie.
You know, just shows her story fighting through adversity, and
again it's just another one coming from small town West
Virginia and not only being a women's boxing champion, not
only being a trailblazer, but actually just pitting the sport
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on the mountaintop, bringing like carrying that Torch for the
Corrissa Shields and the Alicia Bumgardner and everybody else, all
the other women who are fighting not only just boxing,
but combat sports in general. So when you talk about
the Holly Holmes, when you talk about Deronda Rousey's, when
you talk about all these people, it was Christy Martin
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who brought that, who made it okay for women to
get punched in the face on pay per views. Yeah,
it was just like and again just to have her
just to you know, hear her story, everything she's went
through and everything she's overcoming.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
And we weren't thinking like she was gonna, you know,
come in, and she was admitted about Oh no, I'm
coming in, And You're like.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Wow, okay.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
It's crazy because I had I met Christy at the
airport here, you know, in town, at Yager and I'm.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Looking at her, I'm like, man, dang, she looks familiar.
I know her.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
And then she had her had her jacket on from
her boxing promotion company. I was like, oh, yeah, that's
Christy Martin, and I just went up and introduced myself.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
That's how you do it.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Yeah, I straight up just was like, hey, I'm a fan,
you know.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I remember watching I remember her fighting the starter on
the Mike Tyson undercrowd. I'm like, this is from West Virginia. Yeah,
you know that's gonna pick your interest. And again same thing,
small town West Virginia to the mountain.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
And I also want to just commend her on her
dedication to domestic abuse awareness and treatment. She took her
personal pain and story and put it out there for
others to see that, you know, you can get out
of these situations. So that's a personal thing that she's
taken to heart, and she's really working toward making you know,
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strides in in bettering that kind of situation.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
I just think, again, I just think about these these
super superstar people that that we've had an opportunity to
uh talk to and have on this have on the show,
and and it amazes me how like like where are
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where are they here? How do we how do we
keep them? How do we keep them alive?
Speaker 7 (28:35):
Like?
Speaker 5 (28:35):
How do we keep them present? How do we keep
them notable? I just think I just think that there's
just we're missing something. But I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I mean, we're doing everybody else, but like we're definitely
doing our part and to keeping these name alive and
bringing them to the forefront, and like you said, we
have them in the studio, Yo, we're telling your story.
Hopefully we can you know, do a second round with
a lot of these individuals. So I think we're doing
We're doing that.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
I agree, I agree. I'm just I'm just I'm sitting
over here and and and trying to trying to assess
like why is it, why is it? Why is it
not bigger? Why is it not why are they not
like why? You know, I just don't. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
I think somebody, I think, but you know what I
think again, from the onset, I think it was somebody
had to do the due diligence for to east to
like spark for to begin, and I think we've positioned
ourselves to be that plug. I mean we we may
not be like the biggest platform, but I think that
from what we do, hopefully others can get a little
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something from and we can bring those individuals back on
because I think, you know, again, I think it's easy
when it comes to like mountain air sports, because everybody
in their momy knows like Major Harrison, Pat White and
Steve Slayton and Tavon ason Man, and we know all
those guys because they're mountaineers. But if you really look at,
you know, West Virginia sports just holistically, I mean, we
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could just go through it. You can go to the
guys from North Fork, you can go to the so
we have some w NBA players, We've had boxing combats
where we have all types of stuff that I think
just go beyond w v U sports. So sometimes I
think we get stuck there. But I think, you know,
hopefully our platform and others can start highlighting everybody else.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
I was just gonna say that, Hollish, you hit the
nail on the head. I mean, most most of these
podcasts and platforms that have podcasts, they have a niche.
It's either w Sports, it's Marshall Sports. I think, I
think what we've done, and not to toot our own horn,
but we will. We've kind of showcased West Virginia at athleticism.
We've brought in all the different sports and all the
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different you know, positions and and so what we're doing
I think is unique to the state of West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Yeah. Well, I and to your both to your points,
I had one hundred percent agreed, because I mean just
going through the list of people that that we've had.
I mean, you know, that's a that's a those names, yeah, yeah,
are are extremely great, not good, but great great. Even
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individuals and athletes knock.
Speaker 10 (31:26):
Someone out, you have to be willing to put yourself
in position to be knocked out. You cannot be scared,
you cannot have fear. You can you have to have
the dog in you. You can talk dog all you want,
it's got to show me. But yeah, no, I got
up every morning early. I ran three three and a
half miles because Angelo Dundee said, you're not a runner,
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you know, you're three miles. That's what Ali did. So
I figured if the greatest did it, I'll be okay.
So my little track was three point two actually, and
then I would do sprints and then I would go
to the gym and work about somewhere between twenty and
thirty rounds. That was hand pads, heavy bag, shadow boxing, jumping, rope, speedback,
all those things, and then I would go back to
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the gym inspar like three days a week. So you know,
it was just boxing boxing. I watched fights, I watched
my opponent. It was one hundred percent. My focus was
on boxing, So.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
There wasn't much time for any any like. So when
you were off, you were probably more so watching.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
I was never off, I really wasn't.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
I just because Donkey could call me anytime, and when
he called, I was. Actually one time I was home
at Christmas here in West Virginia and he called me
on Christmas Day and told me I was going to
fight January twelfth or fourteenth. So I wow, got in
the car and drove back to Florida to be ready
for the fight. The good thing was I was running,
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I was in shape.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
So because you were, you were still doing all your stuff.
Speaker 10 (32:55):
Always ready, Because how am I going to tell don
King No, I'm not ready? You can't do that call again?
Speaker 11 (33:01):
Right.
Speaker 10 (33:02):
So that's one thing I tell my guys. You have
to always be ready because some major promoter might call
me and say, hey, we need one hundred and thirty
pounder to fight so and so because some just fell out.
Be ready, be ready. You have to be ready. You're
a professional fighter. That means that's your job.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
And the golfer I was alluding to was pro am
golfer West Virginia legend Phil pat Carter. Pat Carter, I
want to say, pheel so bad. But Pat Carter, I
mean and again just somebody who again, somebody who's won
titled after title and just being a legend and golf
with the you know, the biggest names that people may
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not know about. But he was We were lucky enough
to have him as a guest on our show, and
he you know, told us his story, you know, going
to Marshall and starting you know, being a part of
the initial class of you know, golfers down there. So
it's just like getting those stories out is just something
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I'm grateful for for this showing this year.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
It's it's a it's a really amazing kind of idea
of reaching out and hearing and getting a chance to
pull in these individuals who are from West Virginia and
and hear their story from them. You know, because you
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you could have saw the movie, you could have read
a newspaper article, you could have heard some things about them.
But when they are talking, it is it is so different.
But again, what comes across to me what I hear
coming out of Christy's conversation again is that quiet, almost
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almost scary. She's so and she's talking like if you
want to get in the ring, let's go.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, like I'm telling you to really walk upon her.
You could tell she'll give you one too. Yeah, it
ain't really know, you know, it's no thing for And
so are we are we discovering something in these interviews
that are that's a common denominator with these athletes are
being really self confident. And again, I don't care how
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it comes across to somebody. To me, I hear it
as self confident and certain ensure of who and what
they can do. I think with the West Virginia athletes,
and again we've talked to like you know, Alexis Hornbuck
and Christy and Kurt Warner, specifically with the West West
Virginia athletes, it's not I wouldn't describe it as self confidence.
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I would describe it as just a burning belief.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
I think you know West Virginia's we have a natural
humbleness to us and you know all those sort of
West Virginia things. But specifically with the West Virginia elite
West Virginians athletes I've talked to, it's really just a belief.
They just believe they can do do it. And I
think they they that beliefs come with a little bit
of a chip just considering where they're from when they're
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competing against the world or competing against you know, the
nation's best in whatever particular sport. So for me, what
I've gathered is just like it's just that burning, like yeah,
driving belief.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
And I also think that they you know, we're a
small state. We're not known for our professional athletes, our
professional ball ball teams. I mean, you know, basically you're
already I don't want to say it a disadvantage, but
in a way, you've got to go even harder because
you're coming from this small state and to prove that
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you're you're you're where you should be, that you've earned
your spot, and so that kind of contributes to their drive.
I think just being in West Virginia makes it, you know,
even more special.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
So are you saying that the state itself and the
and the and and how we function is a motivating factor,
can be a motivating factor to the hometown athlete to drive,
to give them the drive to want to be successful.
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I don't know if I wouldn't say I wouldn't say that.
I just say, like you just there's there. It's an
example that it's possible your drive is on you and
whatever that is for you. But it's just if you know,
these athletes are where you're from, and in some cases,
like a Kurt Warner, they're even like way smaller than
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if you're Charleston looked like Metropolis compared to where he's from, right, right,
So it's just saying like, okay, they made it. It's
maybe it's a chance that I can too, like where
I'm from, and you know, my environment doesn't necessarily dictate
where I can go. So it's just like and again,
that's why I think it's important to have those you know,
women and men on because it just serves as, hey,
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I can do that because they did.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
That, and carl you're you're an example of that. So
did you ever feel like when you were coming, you know,
through Marshall, through the ranks to make it to the
NFL level, did you ever feel like at times you
had to go like twice as hard as your teammates
or to prove that you were you belonged.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
I to be honest, I felt like I was already going.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
I already knew, yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
Had I was. I knew that I was gonna, I
was gonna outwork that guy. You know, it didn't make
any difference if we could be buddies all day long,
but you're playing a position that I want to play.
I got to beat you out. You know. I just
have always been for me and and the method of
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my quote success has always been about who do I who?
Who do I have to go after? Yeah, because somebody's
going to be playing the position that I when I
get there, somebody's going to be playing that position.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
So you were so focused on your end goal that
you really didn't think about, you know, what you had
to prove.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
You know, I was, I was. I was just simply
trying to to get I needed Hollis out of the way,
so I needed I needed to get past him so
that I could get in the lineup and then the
rest will take care of itself, right.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Speaking of another great female woman West Virginian athlete, we
have the we got the chance to interview the great
Alexis Hornbuckle, who I consider again, people may not consider it,
but she's the greatest West Virginian basketball player of all
time men women. Again, when we talk about McDonald, All
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American High School, All American Collegiate, All Americans She's won
championships on every single level, high school, college, and pro played.
I think some not necessarily the Olympics, but the like
the pro the like the one of those Olympic type
of games. I mean when you when you can sit.
And again, won four straight championships in high school at
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two different schools. So she won two championships at Capitol
High School, two championships at in South Charleston. I think
one season Darnell averaged quadruple double. She was simple and
I got to watch her first saying simply amazing athlete
and again another testimony of like what can happen? What
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can be no matter where you're from. I mean, this
is a nationwide ranked, you know, basketball player since she
was a seventh eighth grade Do we have.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
A clip for her?
Speaker 10 (40:42):
Man?
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (40:43):
And we can hear that.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
How important was it in your early development just to
be an athlete? Didn't kind of focusing that in to
being a great basketball player?
Speaker 11 (40:55):
Man? It's important because you do anything, how you do everything,
So don't it doesn't matter what I'm playing or what
I'm doing is I think it's a competition, which almost
everything is to me. I want to learn it, teach me.
I want to learn it. Now, I want to try it,
and now I want to master it or dominate it.
So especially in the sport world. And I'm the younger sister.
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My brother and I were fifteen months apart, so I'm
trying to keep up with him, do what he does,
you know, you know what I mean? And then growing
up in the bottom and dunbar and the most of
it's just like you can't be soft. You can't. If
I want to play with the boys, I gotta want
to compete and beat the boys. So yeah, it just
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came down to, like I want to beat the boys.
I don't want to be the best girl, Like I
want to be the best out here.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Right.
Speaker 11 (41:43):
So that was soccer. That was basketball, and soccer obviously
is an advantage when it comes to conditioning, agility, right footwork,
even court vision because an angles. If I can make
certain passes on a soccer field, what am I going
to do with ninety four feet to eat money?
Speaker 5 (42:01):
That's like it? So so what what?
Speaker 10 (42:03):
So?
Speaker 4 (42:03):
What?
Speaker 5 (42:04):
What is what is Lexus hornbook up to?
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Yeah, and again you just see again it's that that drive,
that confidence, that that willing to do what it takes
to be the best. Again, that's not necessarily and I
wouldn't say that's probably aren't West Virginia quality. That's probably
any great athlete who wants to do anything. But I
think it's just so important that we have those examples
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here and you're really seeing, like, look, man, if if
you if you really want it, this is an example
of what it can be.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
And and part of it is saying it, yeah, and
then putting if you're gonna say it, then you're gonna
put in the work. Yeah. And and I and I
and I really I don't know if we have enough
people who believe that that that that success could be
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theirs because they won't put the work in. It's it's
it's the only piece that's holding him back.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
Well, she did say, and I caught this a couple
of things I caught that really stood out to me,
and I remembered it during the podcast when we replayed
the clip. But everything is competition to me. Yes, And
the two words that stuck out after that she said
was dominate and master. She just didn't want to be competent.
She wants to totally take over the game and be
the best that's ever played the game. As a female.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
And again I think she probably was just maybe a
tad early as far as where we're at women's basketball. Yeah,
just a tad early. Like I said, there were obviously
the WNBA was functioning when she was coming out of
college in high school, but it wasn't where it's had now.
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And but I will say she went to a premiere program.
She went to Tennessee play for Pat some Morroll. So
it was just like I said, again, going from South Charleston, Dunbar,
West Virginia to going to play for the premiere program.
It's not again similar to Kurt Warner, right, You're not
going to you know, whatever school you're going to the
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school for for that particular sport. You know, you look
at Yukon and Tennessee and she was able to go
to Tennessee and win championships there and going to have
this great career. So it's just awesome to have like
people like that. It was just awesome to interview her
and not only just you know, tell her story, but
also get her insight, to get that, you know, her
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mindset when it came to you know, being that kid
and trying to you know, walk into those dreams that
they had, So it was just awesome.
Speaker 6 (44:36):
We've had a great year.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Yeah, really really good year. Yeah, we've been very very
very very very fortunate to actually have the name recognition.
Speaker 6 (44:47):
And what about and what about when we had your
reunion you're all of the Vikings. Oh my gosh, remind
us of that. That was that was a funven We
who were the names?
Speaker 5 (44:56):
Yeah, he was We had Todd, Scott, Vincy Glenn, and
I think it was Audrey McMillan.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Okay, do we know where they went to school at,
like colleges and oh gosh, I should know. But they
all played for Minnesota. They all played for Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
Yeah, that that night was a huge That was That
was for me.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
That was special because that was probably the first time
that I had been on the call with all three
of those guys at the same time. And we were
we were fools, like I mean, we we hung out
and we we we just had a great time. But man,
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when it came down to playing, yeah, everybody was accountable. Everybody.
If you give up a touchdown, you're gonna hear it, right,
you know, now you can give up you can give
up a touchdown and you can we could say the
D line didn't get some pressure or whatever. That don't
matter to the group. The group is. Our goal is
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is not to give up, kept each other accountable, to
hold each other accountable and man and to be held
accountable and looking at a guy that you know is
your buddy who will go go to any length for you,
but you're accountable to him to be the best player
on Sunday that you can be, which means you have
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to do all of the right stuff during the week.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Yeah, and we were able to get another Minnesota Viking
on Dante Colepepper, which was which was cool. Again, just
a great guy, had great commentary, played with Randy Moss,
you know, obviously connected to you through the Vikings. We
had some great coaches on, We had great this local talent. So,
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like I said, I just think that this was just a.
Speaker 6 (46:47):
Freand Apkins from South South Carolina game Cox he's the
offensive line coach.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
Yeah, we've been very We've been really, really really blessed
of the kind of people you know that we've had
on the show, whether it be by phone and even
even more so people who have come in.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
And I just love the fact that we've hit almost
every area of sports. I mean we've had track stars,
we've had football, baseball, basketball, I mean we've hit almost everything.
The only thing I think we haven't hit. Have we
hit hockey, we.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Hit bodybuilding, we hit the Yeah, because yeah, so we've
hit And again that's another thing, just having the diversity
where we're just not like obviously you know, football, basketball
and big sellers. Yeah, people want to hear that, but
just being able to have athletes across you know, the
entire landscape of sports is pretty cool as well well.
Because yeah, because if you're out there listening and you know,
you're you know, you do something, whatever that thing is,
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and all of a sudden the show that you watch,
you there's somebody on that's doing like you said, like
to the bodybuilding or whatever. That's not something that you
think would probably wouldn't be on the show. But now
all of a sudden you hear in somebody and telling
their story about what they did, how they've done it,
and all those kinds of things.
Speaker 6 (48:05):
It's on a deep dip.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
So who's your who's your twenty twenty six dream guests?
Speaker 6 (48:13):
Oh that's a tough one. I would love. I would
and hopefully the audience, if anybody knows how to get
in contact. Carl probably does, but I have it Randy
Moss with Yeah, I'd love to have Randy here.
Speaker 5 (48:24):
Yeah, I would love to have him in the studio,
you know, I'm sure, Yeah he would.
Speaker 6 (48:27):
Can I have more than one because I've got a list.
I'd love to have rich Rod. I would love to
have rich Rod in here. I would love to have
you know, coach coach Gibby in here. There's a whole
list of West Virginia athletes that I admire. I'd love
to have.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
I think to the to your to your two coaches.
I think I think that there could be a chance
of getting them here. And I think one of it,
you know, part of that is going to you know,
it's gonna matter seasonal and all that kind of stuff.
That's especially if we want him in studio. Who's your
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who's your dream guests? Oh? Man, I don't well, I'll
tell you I would. I would. I would.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
I would love to get Nick Saban. You know, we're
talking about West Virginia guys. I would love to talk
to Nick Saban, you know, just about you know, not
only his journey, you know, being a West Virginia guy
coming up Kent state and being his coaching legend, what
he thinks of you know, we know what he probably
thinks of current state of collegiate sports, and just and
just being a West Virginia guy like you know, yeah,
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and also the head coach of Indiana.
Speaker 5 (49:40):
He's a West Virginia guy.
Speaker 6 (49:42):
Jimba Fisher too. Let's just let's just do a trofecta
West Virginia and.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
See and I like and see, I don't I don't
really think. I don't really think that Nick Saban could
be that difficult to get. I don't make it.
Speaker 6 (49:58):
I don't well, I would say basically a wish less
you know, it's like.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
What we want for Christmas. I think I think that
I think that Nick Saban may have an opportunity to
want to talk about being from West Virginia, talk about
his success back here in West Virginia. I think, I see.
I think some of those types of people that seem
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totally out of reach, I think they they have a
they would love an opportunity to have to come back
to their state and have that and have a conversation
and talk about let's make it happen.
Speaker 6 (50:44):
And you know what, I was just gonna throw that
the audience may have some people that they really love
to listen to us interviews. So if you can hit
Carle Let's talk with Carle facebook page, send a message
to us, give us your wish less we'll see what
we can we can do.
Speaker 5 (50:58):
And and and to that again, i'd like for you know,
we haven't really used our Facebook page a lot for
questions or people wanting to say, hey, could you get
this guest or even could I be on about this?
You know, I would like that would be my goal
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is if we could get the less Talk Facebook page active,
and you know with not just people saying they like
the show. We appreciate that obviously, but somebody who's interested
in being on the show, or you have contacts to
somebody that might be beneficial for the show as well.
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So this is our call to action.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
So if you want, if you have a wish list,
or if you have a contact to somebody you would
like to have us interview, make sure you hit us
on the DM in the Facebook page. So I know
we're about to go to we're wrapping up, so just
moving looking forward to twenty twenty six. We got the
college football playoffs coming up, so we have Miami versus
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Ohio State. We have Oregon versus Texas Tech, we have
Alabama versus Indiana, and we have Old Miss versus Georgia.
Speaker 5 (52:10):
What are our picks?
Speaker 4 (52:11):
So we'll start with Miami, the Ohio State in the Cotton.
Speaker 6 (52:15):
Bowl, the Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
I got Ohio State, all right, Thursday, January first, we
got Oregon v Texas Tech the Capitol One Orange Bowl,
so they'll both be traveling to Florida.
Speaker 6 (52:29):
I'm gonna have to go to Texas Tech.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
I'm going to Tech. Yeah, I'm gonna go Virginia Tech. Yeah,
just based off of travel a long.
Speaker 5 (52:37):
All right.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Then we have the Rose Bowl, so this is gonna
be in California. We got Alabama versus Indiana. So number
nine verse number one.
Speaker 6 (52:47):
I've got to go Indiana, Go Indiana. Yeah, even though
Alabama scares me.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
Now that scares me. I'm gonna go West Virginia. So
I'm gonna go Indiana as well. Gosh, now you put
that pressure out there.
Speaker 5 (53:05):
H Alabama, go.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Alabama A bad Alabama, been there all right, last one.
So we got uh in the Sugar Bowl, Old Miss
versus Georgia.
Speaker 6 (53:22):
Georgia.
Speaker 5 (53:23):
I'm going to Old Miss that I want to see.
Speaker 4 (53:27):
And I and I and I've been playing a record.
I never root for Old Miss for a variety of reasons,
but I want to see Old Miss get that one.
And I think they got the chip on the shoulder.
I think they can. I think they may be able
to pull that off. So we'll see. Like I said,
they played Georgia kind of ain't played in a couple
of weeks, so we'll see.
Speaker 5 (53:49):
Sometimes that helps, sometimes it hurt. Ladies and gentlemen. We
do appreciate you all year long being with us, and
we hope that we can grab some more listeners and
grow the show for next year. Happy New Year, Happy
New Years, everybody. We are out of here.
Yeah, you gotta work.
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Speaker 4 (00:37):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, Miss Odie is in here
taking photos. Sorry, so she has kind of got us
off to a different start here. Well, first of all,
I'd like to say I hope that both of you
had a great holiday with your families and friends and
all that good stuff.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Uh, and all of our listeners the same to you.
Uh man, there's uh, we're gonna do somewhat of a
recap of some of the shows that we've that we've done,
and one of the one of the interesting ones to
me was Sterling Well hold of them. Let's let's set
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it up a little bit far as just like this
year has been just amazing as far as the guests
that we were able to have on It's true, true,
I mean, just we're not going to be able to
cover everybody, right, but just far as just from Darryl
Talley to Kirk Warner to Sterling Sharp and Christen Mark
just all the amazing conversations that we were able to have.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Yeah, I mean it was just so wonderful to have
those those people, some were you know, in studios, some
called in. But but just to have the experience to
sit down and talk with these athletes and and and
just that their life experiences, what they're doing now you
know their past. You know, I just want to say
thank you personally to both of you and Carl for
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you know, giving me the opportunity to come on to
this this podcast. Matt Murphy, he's been a great producer.
Dale Cooper's been nice. They b c HS has you know,
been great to us as well, and the audience of course.
But but yeah, this this year to me, I think,
I think we just had some phenomenal guests.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
And you know, and one of the one of the
and I'm going to go back to Sterling because I thought,
how we how you think we would get guests? You know,
everybody can kind of assume, well you probably call up
somebody and see if they'll do come on and all
that kind of stuff. And the interesting component about Sterling
(02:40):
was he's in West He's coming through West Virginia and
calls and says, hey, I want to be on a
show from the Hall of.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Fame, from the Hall of Fame Canton, right from Canon
being inducted.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Yes, we we end up being his first interview outside
of if it was a Canton, if he had an
interview at Campton. We were the next actually interview that
he had.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
I mean the gold Jacket, I mean, I think he
just took the exactly and.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
That was my first time to ever seeing one.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
And just to put it in context, you know, Stolle Sharp,
he's not you know, he's not a visitor here. You know,
this is somewhere he's been plenty of times. And he's
just so gracious. He can you know, if you're watching
him afar, he can come off one way, but he
is a very gracious and humble person and it was
just great to get to know him a little bit better.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Well. And again to your point, he is really a
nice guy and I think he works hard to try
to come across like he might not be, but he's
you know, again, here's a guy Who's coming to West
Virginia State when I'm coaching and working with the players,
like he's a coach and buying a you and buying.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Uniforms, buying uniforms, sponsoring us when we would go to
Charles Southern.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Hotel and food, I mean, who does that?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And we're going to try to get him another Hall
of Fame Jack here locally this year, so that that's
in the works now, But it was just, I don't know,
it was just so amazing to watch the ceremony and
the inductions and then like the next Monday, he's here.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
It was kind of surreal, wasn't it. And You're right,
he's got that tough persona that he likes to put
out there, but really he would give you the shirt
off his back.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
I mean he is.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
He's got the kindest heart, one of the kindest hearts
I've ever met in my life, so.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
He has said to me. And I did not know
this at all and have never even thought about it.
Our relationships started at the Pro Bowl and I had
gone into Pro Bowl a year before him, and I
was going on my second one and he was just
coming in on his first one, and so I was
like hey, you know, because I didn't know him personally,
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but I knew we played against them, So I was like, hey, man,
come on with us. We're gonna go go over here
and go do some stuff over there and all that
kind of stuff. And to this day, I had no
idea really that that was that impactful. Yeah, for him
to to think and again for him to just to say, Okay,
I'm going to the I'm gonna I'm gonna drive back
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through West Virginia. And here's the other thing. He had
to know the time. He knew the time that we
were gonna be on, and he got here.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
To do the show on time, to do the show.
I'm surprised he drove. That was like, I was like,
you're driving. I thought he would be there. But and
I would also say like, if you're a younger listener,
if you're a parent, were young you know people who
liked football, man, go watch Thirling sharp football highlights.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
He was a total receiver. And I'm you're a packer family.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Remember I'm talking about had great hands, great route running,
could block, had acceleration. You know, he was just everything
you looked for in a rosceiver. I mean, had he
not got Hurt had maybe extra five or six seven years,
we would be talking Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Sterling, Sharp
Turrell on that that would be the you know, the
(06:11):
five receivers that we would be discussed. Well, because he
was in the he's in the he he was in
the Rice conversation when he started coming into the wash.
And he never really got to play with Brett Farr.
I think they played like what one or two seasons.
It wasn't making it wasn't it wasn't a lot. So
if he if he actually got to play with you know,
Hall of Fame quarterback man, I cannot imagine where his
(06:34):
numbers would be out right now.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
And I've said this before. One of the most interesting
things to me about Sterling was him as silly as
he can be. He's doing that on the NFL Sunday game.
He is being that stupid, silly, crazy guy on the field,
(06:56):
Like I'm sitting there, I'm locked in, I'm trying to
cover him, and he's sitting there and he's talking to
me like, don't worry about it. I'm not getting the ball.
They're not they're not coming to me. It's gonna be
a run. And I'm trying to tell my other guys
don't talk to him, don't be around him, because he's
gonna laugh. He's gonna laugh you into the end zone.
And to this day, of all of the things that
(07:19):
impressed me is that how do you play in the
NFL and have that much fun in the midst of
a game?
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Well, he had fun with us here, so fun.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
He knows how to have love.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Talking some some clips so you can hear a little
bit the interview that we did.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
This dude is laughing and joking.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
He's telling us in the huddle, why y'all even in
the huddle, y'all y'all just playing man the man in blitzing.
And I would I mean, I literally, I literally would
have to tell the dvs like, don't talk to him,
don't talk because he's gonna talk you into a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Thomas would talk.
Speaker 8 (08:08):
Late, Chris Dovean's okay, they're the highlight.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
To talk to me a little bit. They're not gonna
be on the highlight. That's gonna be us.
Speaker 8 (08:19):
And so you know, and that's the thing about enjoying
what you do.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Do you think that I hate to interrupt, but do
you think the fact that you you could enjoy it
so much. Had a lot to do with how great,
because I'm not gonna call it, notna call it good,
but how great?
Speaker 8 (08:35):
You know, I think what it is, Carl is like
I said about the destruction of sports.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
You gotta be a certain way.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
You gotta do it a certain way, you gotta understand
it a certain way. And I don't know if I
will live long enough for talk enough to be able
to explain to people that the phrase your best is
good enough actually is. And so when I was enjoying
playing football at the professional level, you know, my brother
(09:06):
talked trash, and his trash.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Talking with you did I talked trash.
Speaker 8 (09:11):
But I only talk to you because, man, we got
two and a half three hours to get through this thing.
I want you to come out healthy. I want to
come out healthy. You practice this week. I practiced this week.
In certain situations, we're going to have to go up
against each other for a pass or a block, And
I want your best just like you want mine. Well,
(09:32):
guess what, that don't make you a bad guy if
you win. You know that, you know so I always
wanted it to be. I'm doing what I want to do.
If you're not doing what you want to do at
the level you want to do it at. It's not
my fault, and so I always tried to enjoy whether
it was in Chicago or Minnesota or Tampa. I wanted
(09:55):
to play, enjoy playing, and my best was good enough.
I did my job better than anyone, because you only
get an opinion if you're paying bills or you.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Yeah, man, how great was that?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
And to that point, you know, that's probably just my
thinking about what he said. As far as enjoying the
sport while you have the opportunity to, that's probably my
biggest regret, you know, being a collegiate for But I
don't think I had fun enough. I don't think I
enjoyed it in the moment enough. So I think that's
(10:30):
why because he talked about we asked him specifically about
his career ending early. I think he only played seven
or eight seasons, and he essentially had no regrets about it.
And I think that's why, just because he enjoyed it,
and you could just see through the conversation, you can
feel through the conversation that you know he was genuine
in that sentiment, and.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
I loved all his little sayings he had He always
had this little saying like your best is good enough.
I mean, he he had these little quotes that just
kind of, you know, kept you, keep you grounded and
make you realize that it's about enjoying the moment, doing
your best, but being able to enjoy the moment.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
And I find it interesting too that he really never
actually ever patted himself on the back for really anything.
And he he really did change a lot what happened
with the package when he got there, Like, I mean,
(11:29):
he changed how that program was going, and he became
like he just all of a sudden just starts showing up.
And now you're talking about Jerry Rice and Sterling Sharp.
You know, he's in he's starting to become that same
name as those what we used to call the superstars.
He was that guy, and an unfortunate piece to that,
(11:50):
you know, obviously was the career ending injury, but as
him having him here, I don't know if I could
be more thankful, you know, to come here with He
could have called me, Yeah, he could have done anything
(12:12):
and said, hey man, what time is your show? Blah
blah blah blah. You know I can be on it
because I'm on my way home.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
He ain't say nothing could have gave us a superstar treatment.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Yes he didn't. He didn't. He didn't want any of that.
Like he just came, just showed up, popped up, sent
in a chair, and was ready to go.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Definitely an awesome moment. And I think, you know, the
transition from you know, the Hall of Famer, you know,
going to another football player again who I think embodies
sort of the heart and probably our intent of the show.
It's Kurt Warner, a guy who is an absolute legend
(12:53):
from you know, a very rural area of West Virginia,
who I would say probably most people don't even know
anything about, you know, just from his time at Poneville,
his time at Penn State, and obviously his time with
the Seattle Seahawks being an NFL running back. You know,
to me, this is kind of what we did. This
(13:16):
why this show started was to honor guys like him.
He has the ward named after him for the best
high school running back. But again, most people probably just
don't even know who he is. And I think for
us for him to be on the show and for
him to allow us to highlight who he is.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Was big and to that Hollis and I want to
thank you for even saying it that way, because Kurt
is not you know, he's not the guy that's going
to go out and chase any kind of attention. It's
just not who he is. And I can remember, you know,
(13:55):
meeting him at the North South and he had gotten
you know, the the best player in the state of
West Virginia, you know, and he was the Kennedy and
and you know Robert, who was my Robert Alexander, who
was my idol. He he was. There was a conversation
(14:15):
about who's the best between those two, and you know,
and you know, I was, you know, it's hard for
me not to pick Robert. But the thing about Kurt
was he he came, he came to me and Eddie
ray dyas and connected with us as if we had
(14:36):
been playing ball together all through high school. And and
it was it was amazing and and and I'm going
to tell this story. And I don't know what clip
we might play if we if we play on a
clip of him, but I can remember watching him the
first day that he actually got out in the shoulder
(14:57):
pads in the North South game, and he he was
coming in he I think he came in like maybe
like the third day and Hollis you know, I don't
know if you've ever seen, you know, anything, any clips
of Gael Sayers or that was the first person that
came to my mind when I was watching him praise man.
(15:19):
I was like, oh, my goodness, you.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Knew you were witnessing greatness, right, I knew.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
I knew that. Man, I'm getting ready to play in
the North South game with one of the best players
ever that I've ever physically seen.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
And again, to put it in context, if you have
not watched clips, please go watch clips of this man
in college. Specifically, this was a guy who played at Pineville,
a like I think double a school in pine We're
talking about a tiny, tiny school from Pineville, West Virginia, Mullins,
(15:58):
West Virginia in that area where Christy marsh from we'll
talk about her in a minute. But and then gets
a full scholarship to pen Say and again Penn State
when Penn State was pen Sate. We're talking about like
Ohio State depending in like context. Now it's like going
from you know, independent high school Shady Springs and you're
(16:19):
going to Ohio State and being a starting running back, right,
out of running at a shoot like I think his
third play like took a kick off back to the house.
I mean, we're talking about elite athleticism, jumping from the
smallest of rural areas in West Virginia to the height
of the heights.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
And to accomplish all that. Hollis to your point, he
to me when he came across as just humble. You know,
there's nothing flashy about him. He had a conversation with us,
it was, you know, very just like somebody you'd have
a conversation with at a coffee shop. You know, he
didn't let you know that he did all these great
(17:00):
until you asked him. We had to question him to
bring out all that information about what he did at Pennstad.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
See, I be.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Thinking, that's a problem. Got man, let it hang out. Man,
tell us what's what it is? And and and and and.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
And you know, I think to your I get what
you're saying, Hollins, But but people don't hear it that
way when you say it. They just they they just
don't hear.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
And you know, and no, no, no, no, no, that's
but that's that's a great example.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Why is it that it's okay for Dion and it's
not okay for me. I can't if I was at it,
but I'm just saying like it's just it's just it
just saddens me, like we just don't know these like
these great like giants of you know, at and athleticism
let me and and I didn't and I don't think
(17:59):
I asked this in the show.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Did y'all play against each other when y'all were in
the NFL? Yes, okay, y we wish you had attack him.
And look, we are laying on the turf laughing because
I'm on top of him and he's down on the
pal and he's looking at me and he is laughing.
We are just we're laughing because we are thinking we
(18:23):
went through the North South and I don't even think
I ever tackled him at the North South game because
I don't think, you know, probably like that.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
For the South and so and he killed the North,
you know. And now all of a sudden, I'm we're
in the league and I'm laying on the pal, laying
on top of him, and he's laughing. He's laughing because
he sees me before I even I mean, I know
it was him, but I'm not thinking about laughing, and
then I can't help it, but I'm laughing.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
We're sitting there laughing again NFL during a game. Two
guys from West Virginia playing in the North South and
we are on the football field in the National Football League.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
For a minute.
Speaker 9 (19:12):
I mean, there's always a chip on one shoulder, uh,
and there's you've got to have a reason to say,
you know, I can play at this level. And I
believe that I could play at that level from day one.
But it wasn't just because I you know, it wasn't
(19:34):
something that I thought about with regards to well and
my second guessing what I can do and what I
can't do. I felt as though I could play there,
I belong there, and now it was just an opportunity
to get out there and chill with That's really You've
got to prove it to a certain degree because nobody's
(19:55):
going to give you anything, especially at that level when
you've got five six I mean, I remember going into
our running back room and they had the you know,
the guys on the board my freshman year, and there
was like seven eight guys on that list, and I
remember seeing that and I was at the bottom of
the list, and it wasn't because my last name was arn.
(20:16):
It said I was on the bottom of that list.
That's thinking myself, Okay, you know what, well, when I
get out of this camp, I'm not gonna be on
the bottom of this list when I finish here at
this camp. But that's what I was saying to myself.
But I was determined not to be on that bottom
of that list when it was all sitting done.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And see, that's what that's And that's the conversations I
love to have because again he's talking his ish in
his way when you talk about I'm big mindpower science
and you, you know, implement those beliefs in yourself and
it can really carry you because he could have came
into Penn State with the same talent, the same ability, everything,
but if he had doubt in his mind and he
(20:56):
didn't believe in himself, he probably would have remained on
the bottom of that list. And I just love stories
like that, particularly a guy coming from West Virginia, a
guy coming into the quote unquote big city or on
the big stage, same thing with you and just having
that belief above anything else, because it is the belief
that's going to carry you not necessarily your work, not
(21:16):
necessarily even your talent.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
I mean, that's part, but you gotta have a belief
on top of all that. And I think, and I think,
what's hard for a younger athlete to hear that clip
and not hear it as maybe arrogant or something like that,
and and and not see it as what it is.
(21:41):
It's it's an individual confidence that you're saying that you
knew that you could play at that level. Now you
get you get the chance, and you do it, and
you do it exceptionally. You didn't lie, you know what
I'm saying, that belief. And I think most of the time,
(22:03):
I think the young athlete says something, but maybe he
doesn't believe it, and he and and if he doesn't
believe it, he won't work.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Hard enough to achieve it. And it resonates because this
guy coming from where we're from.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Yeah, and you can just hear it in his voice.
He doesn't really raise his voice. It's just kind of,
you know, in a monotone way. He says, you know,
my name wasn't going to be at the end of
the bottom of the list by the time that the
season started. He said it in a way like that.
That's just a matter of fact. You know, he didn't
get overly emotional. You know, he just had a quiet
drive about him. I think I think he didn't have
(22:44):
to go out there and and and and try to
be flashy or or say I'm the best. He showed
he was the best.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Honey Well, West Virginia way all the way. And that's
and when you look him up, that's Kurt with a C.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
So it is Kurt and and and and it is
and it's it's kind of shameful because we we shouldn't
have to give out that information like people should for
younger people for sure, But again we we we have
(23:16):
we've heard our children because we have not acknowledged our
great athletes and and kept their name alive, kept their
success alive. We've we've failed in that category for whatever
the reason. And I don't know if it's because you
don't want the you don't want the athlete to get
(23:37):
cocky or or whatever. But they're But but you can
hear in in the last two clips, you hear people
talking about their individual confidence. Yeah they're not they're not
selling that out to the public. But you're never going
to be able to tell me no, man, You're not
(23:57):
gonna make it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I think things just get lost with time and hopefully,
and I'm glad that we had the opportunity to do
our part in preserving that history and bringing it to
the masses.
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Speaker 4 (25:33):
You know, we have another athlete from that area who
definitely got lost with time. You know when we talk about,
you know, the great Christy Martin and you know what
she meant.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Did y'all get to see the movie? Yeah? I did,
Yeah I did, Yeah, Yeah I did. It was it
was really really good movie.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I think it you know far as you know, just
got caught with maybe some bad timing as far as
just the time of which it came out, but excellent movie.
You know, just shows her story fighting through adversity, and
again it's just another one coming from small town West
Virginia and not only being a women's boxing champion, not
only being a trailblazer, but actually just pitting the sport
(26:16):
on the mountaintop, bringing like carrying that Torch for the
Corrissa Shields and the Alicia Bumgardner and everybody else, all
the other women who are fighting not only just boxing,
but combat sports in general. So when you talk about
the Holly Holmes, when you talk about Deronda Rousey's, when
you talk about all these people, it was Christy Martin
(26:36):
who brought that, who made it okay for women to
get punched in the face on pay per views. Yeah,
it was just like and again just to have her
just to you know, hear her story, everything she's went
through and everything she's overcoming.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
And we weren't thinking like she was gonna, you know,
come in, and she was admitted about Oh no, I'm
coming in, And You're like.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Wow, okay.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
It's crazy because I had I met Christy at the
airport here, you know, in town, at Yager and I'm.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Looking at her, I'm like, man, dang, she looks familiar.
I know her.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
And then she had her had her jacket on from
her boxing promotion company. I was like, oh, yeah, that's
Christy Martin, and I just went up and introduced myself.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
That's how you do it.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Yeah, I straight up just was like, hey, I'm a fan,
you know.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I remember watching I remember her fighting the starter on
the Mike Tyson undercrowd. I'm like, this is from West Virginia. Yeah,
you know that's gonna pick your interest. And again same thing,
small town West Virginia to the mountain.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
And I also want to just commend her on her
dedication to domestic abuse awareness and treatment. She took her
personal pain and story and put it out there for
others to see that, you know, you can get out
of these situations. So that's a personal thing that she's
taken to heart, and she's really working toward making you know,
(28:03):
strides in in bettering that kind of situation.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
I just think, again, I just think about these these
super superstar people that that we've had an opportunity to
uh talk to and have on this have on the show,
and and it amazes me how like like where are
(28:30):
where are they here? How do we how do we
keep them? How do we keep them alive?
Speaker 7 (28:35):
Like?
Speaker 5 (28:35):
How do we keep them present? How do we keep
them notable? I just think I just think that there's
just we're missing something. But I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I mean, we're doing everybody else, but like we're definitely
doing our part and to keeping these name alive and
bringing them to the forefront, and like you said, we
have them in the studio, Yo, we're telling your story.
Hopefully we can you know, do a second round with
a lot of these individuals. So I think we're doing
We're doing that.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
I agree, I agree. I'm just I'm just I'm sitting
over here and and and trying to trying to assess
like why is it, why is it? Why is it
not bigger? Why is it not why are they not
like why? You know, I just don't. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
I think somebody, I think, but you know what I
think again, from the onset, I think it was somebody
had to do the due diligence for to east to
like spark for to begin, and I think we've positioned
ourselves to be that plug. I mean we we may
not be like the biggest platform, but I think that
from what we do, hopefully others can get a little
(29:47):
something from and we can bring those individuals back on
because I think, you know, again, I think it's easy
when it comes to like mountain air sports, because everybody
in their momy knows like Major Harrison, Pat White and
Steve Slayton and Tavon ason Man, and we know all
those guys because they're mountaineers. But if you really look at,
you know, West Virginia sports just holistically, I mean, we
(30:09):
could just go through it. You can go to the
guys from North Fork, you can go to the so
we have some w NBA players, We've had boxing combats
where we have all types of stuff that I think
just go beyond w v U sports. So sometimes I
think we get stuck there. But I think, you know,
hopefully our platform and others can start highlighting everybody else.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
I was just gonna say that, Hollish, you hit the
nail on the head. I mean, most most of these
podcasts and platforms that have podcasts, they have a niche.
It's either w Sports, it's Marshall Sports. I think, I
think what we've done, and not to toot our own horn,
but we will. We've kind of showcased West Virginia at athleticism.
We've brought in all the different sports and all the
(30:51):
different you know, positions and and so what we're doing
I think is unique to the state of West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Yeah. Well, I and to your both to your points,
I had one hundred percent agreed, because I mean just
going through the list of people that that we've had.
I mean, you know, that's a that's a those names, yeah, yeah,
are are extremely great, not good, but great great. Even
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individuals and athletes knock.
Speaker 10 (31:26):
Someone out, you have to be willing to put yourself
in position to be knocked out. You cannot be scared,
you cannot have fear. You can you have to have
the dog in you. You can talk dog all you want,
it's got to show me. But yeah, no, I got
up every morning early. I ran three three and a
half miles because Angelo Dundee said, you're not a runner,
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you know, you're three miles. That's what Ali did. So
I figured if the greatest did it, I'll be okay.
So my little track was three point two actually, and
then I would do sprints and then I would go
to the gym and work about somewhere between twenty and
thirty rounds. That was hand pads, heavy bag, shadow boxing, jumping, rope, speedback,
all those things, and then I would go back to
(32:08):
the gym inspar like three days a week. So you know,
it was just boxing boxing. I watched fights, I watched
my opponent. It was one hundred percent. My focus was
on boxing, So.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
There wasn't much time for any any like. So when
you were off, you were probably more so watching.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
I was never off, I really wasn't.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
I just because Donkey could call me anytime, and when
he called, I was. Actually one time I was home
at Christmas here in West Virginia and he called me
on Christmas Day and told me I was going to
fight January twelfth or fourteenth. So I wow, got in
the car and drove back to Florida to be ready
for the fight. The good thing was I was running,
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I was in shape.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
So because you were, you were still doing all your stuff.
Speaker 10 (32:55):
Always ready, Because how am I going to tell don
King No, I'm not ready? You can't do that call again?
Speaker 11 (33:01):
Right.
Speaker 10 (33:02):
So that's one thing I tell my guys. You have
to always be ready because some major promoter might call
me and say, hey, we need one hundred and thirty
pounder to fight so and so because some just fell out.
Be ready, be ready. You have to be ready. You're
a professional fighter. That means that's your job.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
And the golfer I was alluding to was pro am
golfer West Virginia legend Phil pat Carter. Pat Carter, I
want to say, pheel so bad. But Pat Carter, I
mean and again just somebody who again, somebody who's won
titled after title and just being a legend and golf
with the you know, the biggest names that people may
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not know about. But he was We were lucky enough
to have him as a guest on our show, and
he you know, told us his story, you know, going
to Marshall and starting you know, being a part of
the initial class of you know, golfers down there. So
it's just like getting those stories out is just something
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I'm grateful for for this showing this year.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
It's it's a it's a really amazing kind of idea
of reaching out and hearing and getting a chance to
pull in these individuals who are from West Virginia and
and hear their story from them. You know, because you
(34:29):
you could have saw the movie, you could have read
a newspaper article, you could have heard some things about them.
But when they are talking, it is it is so different.
But again, what comes across to me what I hear
coming out of Christy's conversation again is that quiet, almost
(34:52):
almost scary. She's so and she's talking like if you
want to get in the ring, let's go.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, like I'm telling you to really walk upon her.
You could tell she'll give you one too. Yeah, it
ain't really know, you know, it's no thing for And
so are we are we discovering something in these interviews
that are that's a common denominator with these athletes are
being really self confident. And again, I don't care how
(35:28):
it comes across to somebody. To me, I hear it
as self confident and certain ensure of who and what
they can do. I think with the West Virginia athletes,
and again we've talked to like you know, Alexis Hornbuck
and Christy and Kurt Warner, specifically with the West West
Virginia athletes, it's not I wouldn't describe it as self confidence.
(35:50):
I would describe it as just a burning belief.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
I think you know West Virginia's we have a natural
humbleness to us and you know all those sort of
West Virginia things. But specifically with the West Virginia elite
West Virginians athletes I've talked to, it's really just a belief.
They just believe they can do do it. And I
think they they that beliefs come with a little bit
of a chip just considering where they're from when they're
(36:13):
competing against the world or competing against you know, the
nation's best in whatever particular sport. So for me, what
I've gathered is just like it's just that burning, like yeah,
driving belief.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
And I also think that they you know, we're a
small state. We're not known for our professional athletes, our
professional ball ball teams. I mean, you know, basically you're
already I don't want to say it a disadvantage, but
in a way, you've got to go even harder because
you're coming from this small state and to prove that
(36:44):
you're you're you're where you should be, that you've earned
your spot, and so that kind of contributes to their drive.
I think just being in West Virginia makes it, you know,
even more special.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
So are you saying that the state itself and the
and the and and how we function is a motivating factor,
can be a motivating factor to the hometown athlete to drive,
to give them the drive to want to be successful.
(37:16):
I don't know if I wouldn't say I wouldn't say that.
I just say, like you just there's there. It's an
example that it's possible your drive is on you and
whatever that is for you. But it's just if you know,
these athletes are where you're from, and in some cases,
like a Kurt Warner, they're even like way smaller than
(37:37):
if you're Charleston looked like Metropolis compared to where he's from, right, right,
So it's just saying like, okay, they made it. It's
maybe it's a chance that I can too, like where
I'm from, and you know, my environment doesn't necessarily dictate
where I can go. So it's just like and again,
that's why I think it's important to have those you know,
women and men on because it just serves as, hey,
(38:00):
I can do that because they did.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
That, and carl you're you're an example of that. So
did you ever feel like when you were coming, you know,
through Marshall, through the ranks to make it to the
NFL level, did you ever feel like at times you
had to go like twice as hard as your teammates
or to prove that you were you belonged.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
I to be honest, I felt like I was already going.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
I already knew, yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
Had I was. I knew that I was gonna, I
was gonna outwork that guy. You know, it didn't make
any difference if we could be buddies all day long,
but you're playing a position that I want to play.
I got to beat you out. You know. I just
have always been for me and and the method of
(38:51):
my quote success has always been about who do I who?
Who do I have to go after? Yeah, because somebody's
going to be playing the position that I when I
get there, somebody's going to be playing that position.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
So you were so focused on your end goal that
you really didn't think about, you know, what you had
to prove.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
You know, I was, I was. I was just simply
trying to to get I needed Hollis out of the way,
so I needed I needed to get past him so
that I could get in the lineup and then the
rest will take care of itself, right.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Speaking of another great female woman West Virginian athlete, we
have the we got the chance to interview the great
Alexis Hornbuckle, who I consider again, people may not consider it,
but she's the greatest West Virginian basketball player of all
time men women. Again, when we talk about McDonald, All
(39:46):
American High School, All American Collegiate, All Americans She's won
championships on every single level, high school, college, and pro played.
I think some not necessarily the Olympics, but the like
the pro the like the one of those Olympic type
of games. I mean when you when you can sit.
And again, won four straight championships in high school at
(40:08):
two different schools. So she won two championships at Capitol
High School, two championships at in South Charleston. I think
one season Darnell averaged quadruple double. She was simple and
I got to watch her first saying simply amazing athlete
and again another testimony of like what can happen? What
(40:31):
can be no matter where you're from. I mean, this
is a nationwide ranked, you know, basketball player since she
was a seventh eighth grade Do we have.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
A clip for her?
Speaker 10 (40:42):
Man?
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (40:43):
And we can hear that.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
How important was it in your early development just to
be an athlete? Didn't kind of focusing that in to
being a great basketball player?
Speaker 11 (40:55):
Man? It's important because you do anything, how you do everything,
So don't it doesn't matter what I'm playing or what
I'm doing is I think it's a competition, which almost
everything is to me. I want to learn it, teach me.
I want to learn it. Now, I want to try it,
and now I want to master it or dominate it.
So especially in the sport world. And I'm the younger sister.
(41:17):
My brother and I were fifteen months apart, so I'm
trying to keep up with him, do what he does,
you know, you know what I mean? And then growing
up in the bottom and dunbar and the most of
it's just like you can't be soft. You can't. If
I want to play with the boys, I gotta want
to compete and beat the boys. So yeah, it just
(41:38):
came down to, like I want to beat the boys.
I don't want to be the best girl, Like I
want to be the best out here.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Right.
Speaker 11 (41:43):
So that was soccer. That was basketball, and soccer obviously
is an advantage when it comes to conditioning, agility, right footwork,
even court vision because an angles. If I can make
certain passes on a soccer field, what am I going
to do with ninety four feet to eat money?
Speaker 5 (42:01):
That's like it? So so what what?
Speaker 10 (42:03):
So?
Speaker 4 (42:03):
What?
Speaker 5 (42:04):
What is what is Lexus hornbook up to?
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Yeah, and again you just see again it's that that drive,
that confidence, that that willing to do what it takes
to be the best. Again, that's not necessarily and I
wouldn't say that's probably aren't West Virginia quality. That's probably
any great athlete who wants to do anything. But I
think it's just so important that we have those examples
(42:26):
here and you're really seeing, like, look, man, if if
you if you really want it, this is an example
of what it can be.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
And and part of it is saying it, yeah, and
then putting if you're gonna say it, then you're gonna
put in the work. Yeah. And and I and I
and I really I don't know if we have enough
people who believe that that that that success could be
(42:53):
theirs because they won't put the work in. It's it's
it's the only piece that's holding him back.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
Well, she did say, and I caught this a couple
of things I caught that really stood out to me,
and I remembered it during the podcast when we replayed
the clip. But everything is competition to me. Yes, And
the two words that stuck out after that she said
was dominate and master. She just didn't want to be competent.
She wants to totally take over the game and be
the best that's ever played the game. As a female.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
And again I think she probably was just maybe a
tad early as far as where we're at women's basketball. Yeah,
just a tad early. Like I said, there were obviously
the WNBA was functioning when she was coming out of
college in high school, but it wasn't where it's had now.
(43:45):
And but I will say she went to a premiere program.
She went to Tennessee play for Pat some Morroll. So
it was just like I said, again, going from South Charleston, Dunbar,
West Virginia to going to play for the premiere program.
It's not again similar to Kurt Warner, right, You're not
going to you know, whatever school you're going to the
(44:05):
school for for that particular sport. You know, you look
at Yukon and Tennessee and she was able to go
to Tennessee and win championships there and going to have
this great career. So it's just awesome to have like
people like that. It was just awesome to interview her
and not only just you know, tell her story, but
also get her insight, to get that, you know, her
(44:28):
mindset when it came to you know, being that kid
and trying to you know, walk into those dreams that
they had, So it was just awesome.
Speaker 6 (44:36):
We've had a great year.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Yeah, really really good year. Yeah, we've been very very
very very very fortunate to actually have the name recognition.
Speaker 6 (44:47):
And what about and what about when we had your
reunion you're all of the Vikings. Oh my gosh, remind
us of that. That was that was a funven We
who were the names?
Speaker 5 (44:56):
Yeah, he was We had Todd, Scott, Vincy Glenn, and
I think it was Audrey McMillan.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Okay, do we know where they went to school at,
like colleges and oh gosh, I should know. But they
all played for Minnesota. They all played for Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
Yeah, that that night was a huge That was That
was for me.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
That was special because that was probably the first time
that I had been on the call with all three
of those guys at the same time. And we were
we were fools, like I mean, we we hung out
and we we we just had a great time. But man,
(45:35):
when it came down to playing, yeah, everybody was accountable. Everybody.
If you give up a touchdown, you're gonna hear it, right,
you know, now you can give up you can give
up a touchdown and you can we could say the
D line didn't get some pressure or whatever. That don't
matter to the group. The group is. Our goal is
(45:59):
is not to give up, kept each other accountable, to
hold each other accountable and man and to be held
accountable and looking at a guy that you know is
your buddy who will go go to any length for you,
but you're accountable to him to be the best player
on Sunday that you can be, which means you have
(46:21):
to do all of the right stuff during the week.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Yeah, and we were able to get another Minnesota Viking
on Dante Colepepper, which was which was cool. Again, just
a great guy, had great commentary, played with Randy Moss,
you know, obviously connected to you through the Vikings. We
had some great coaches on, We had great this local talent. So,
(46:45):
like I said, I just think that this was just a.
Speaker 6 (46:47):
Freand Apkins from South South Carolina game Cox he's the
offensive line coach.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
Yeah, we've been very We've been really, really really blessed
of the kind of people you know that we've had
on the show, whether it be by phone and even
even more so people who have come in.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
And I just love the fact that we've hit almost
every area of sports. I mean we've had track stars,
we've had football, baseball, basketball, I mean we've hit almost everything.
The only thing I think we haven't hit. Have we
hit hockey, we.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Hit bodybuilding, we hit the Yeah, because yeah, so we've
hit And again that's another thing, just having the diversity
where we're just not like obviously you know, football, basketball
and big sellers. Yeah, people want to hear that, but
just being able to have athletes across you know, the
entire landscape of sports is pretty cool as well well.
Because yeah, because if you're out there listening and you know,
you're you know, you do something, whatever that thing is,
(47:45):
and all of a sudden the show that you watch,
you there's somebody on that's doing like you said, like
to the bodybuilding or whatever. That's not something that you
think would probably wouldn't be on the show. But now
all of a sudden you hear in somebody and telling
their story about what they did, how they've done it,
and all those kinds of things.
Speaker 6 (48:05):
It's on a deep dip.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
So who's your who's your twenty twenty six dream guests?
Speaker 6 (48:13):
Oh that's a tough one. I would love. I would
and hopefully the audience, if anybody knows how to get
in contact. Carl probably does, but I have it Randy
Moss with Yeah, I'd love to have Randy here.
Speaker 5 (48:24):
Yeah, I would love to have him in the studio,
you know, I'm sure, Yeah he would.
Speaker 6 (48:27):
Can I have more than one because I've got a list.
I'd love to have rich Rod. I would love to
have rich Rod in here. I would love to have
you know, coach coach Gibby in here. There's a whole
list of West Virginia athletes that I admire. I'd love
to have.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
I think to the to your to your two coaches.
I think I think that there could be a chance
of getting them here. And I think one of it,
you know, part of that is going to you know,
it's gonna matter seasonal and all that kind of stuff.
That's especially if we want him in studio. Who's your
(49:03):
who's your dream guests? Oh? Man, I don't well, I'll
tell you I would. I would. I would.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
I would love to get Nick Saban. You know, we're
talking about West Virginia guys. I would love to talk
to Nick Saban, you know, just about you know, not
only his journey, you know, being a West Virginia guy
coming up Kent state and being his coaching legend, what
he thinks of you know, we know what he probably
thinks of current state of collegiate sports, and just and
just being a West Virginia guy like you know, yeah,
(49:38):
and also the head coach of Indiana.
Speaker 5 (49:40):
He's a West Virginia guy.
Speaker 6 (49:42):
Jimba Fisher too. Let's just let's just do a trofecta
West Virginia and.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
See and I like and see, I don't I don't
really think. I don't really think that Nick Saban could
be that difficult to get. I don't make it.
Speaker 6 (49:58):
I don't well, I would say basically a wish less
you know, it's like.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
What we want for Christmas. I think I think that
I think that Nick Saban may have an opportunity to
want to talk about being from West Virginia, talk about
his success back here in West Virginia. I think, I see.
I think some of those types of people that seem
(50:29):
totally out of reach, I think they they have a
they would love an opportunity to have to come back
to their state and have that and have a conversation
and talk about let's make it happen.
Speaker 6 (50:44):
And you know what, I was just gonna throw that
the audience may have some people that they really love
to listen to us interviews. So if you can hit
Carle Let's talk with Carle facebook page, send a message
to us, give us your wish less we'll see what
we can we can do.
Speaker 5 (50:58):
And and and to that again, i'd like for you know,
we haven't really used our Facebook page a lot for
questions or people wanting to say, hey, could you get
this guest or even could I be on about this?
You know, I would like that would be my goal
(51:18):
is if we could get the less Talk Facebook page active,
and you know with not just people saying they like
the show. We appreciate that obviously, but somebody who's interested
in being on the show, or you have contacts to
somebody that might be beneficial for the show as well.
(51:40):
So this is our call to action.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
So if you want, if you have a wish list,
or if you have a contact to somebody you would
like to have us interview, make sure you hit us
on the DM in the Facebook page. So I know
we're about to go to we're wrapping up, so just
moving looking forward to twenty twenty six. We got the
college football playoffs coming up, so we have Miami versus
(52:03):
Ohio State. We have Oregon versus Texas Tech, we have
Alabama versus Indiana, and we have Old Miss versus Georgia.
Speaker 5 (52:10):
What are our picks?
Speaker 4 (52:11):
So we'll start with Miami, the Ohio State in the Cotton.
Speaker 6 (52:15):
Bowl, the Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
I got Ohio State, all right, Thursday, January first, we
got Oregon v Texas Tech the Capitol One Orange Bowl,
so they'll both be traveling to Florida.
Speaker 6 (52:29):
I'm gonna have to go to Texas Tech.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
I'm going to Tech. Yeah, I'm gonna go Virginia Tech. Yeah,
just based off of travel a long.
Speaker 5 (52:37):
All right.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Then we have the Rose Bowl, so this is gonna
be in California. We got Alabama versus Indiana. So number
nine verse number one.
Speaker 6 (52:47):
I've got to go Indiana, Go Indiana. Yeah, even though
Alabama scares me.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
Now that scares me. I'm gonna go West Virginia. So
I'm gonna go Indiana as well. Gosh, now you put
that pressure out there.
Speaker 5 (53:05):
H Alabama, go.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Alabama A bad Alabama, been there all right, last one.
So we got uh in the Sugar Bowl, Old Miss
versus Georgia.
Speaker 6 (53:22):
Georgia.
Speaker 5 (53:23):
I'm going to Old Miss that I want to see.
Speaker 4 (53:27):
And I and I and I've been playing a record.
I never root for Old Miss for a variety of reasons,
but I want to see Old Miss get that one.
And I think they got the chip on the shoulder.
I think they can. I think they may be able
to pull that off. So we'll see. Like I said,
they played Georgia kind of ain't played in a couple
of weeks, so we'll see.
Speaker 5 (53:49):
Sometimes that helps, sometimes it hurt. Ladies and gentlemen. We
do appreciate you all year long being with us, and
we hope that we can grab some more listeners and
grow the show for next year. Happy New Year, Happy
New Years, everybody. We are out of here.
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