September 11, 2025 • 58 mins
Carl, Hollis, and Lisa tackle the elephant in the room: A brutal weekend in college football as the West Virginia Mountaineers took an embarrassing defeat from the Ohio Bobcats, and the Marshall Thundering Herd lost by one point to the Missouri State Bears. Plus, in the NFL, the discussion turns to players spitting with a broader discussion on sportsmanlike conduct. Then things turn to a bit of trash talk in the NFC North. That and more, on Let's Talk! With Carl Lee, Hollis Lewis, and Lisa Otey!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome to Let's Talk with Carl Lee. Let's Talk is
probably presented by Attorney Frank Walker, Real Talk, Real Experience,
Real results, Frank Walker, Law dot Com. Let that conversation
begin on Let's Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. This is Curly with Let's Talk.
And I have my two co hosts in the building,
Hollis Lewis Hello, and the Miss Lisa Odie football Queen.
So I'll say this, this has been one of the
more interesting setting up the show. This, this show is
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this was a little bit This was a little bit different.
It was a little challenging because there were I think
in all reality, there's like a lot of stuff, whether
there's yeah and then and and I know, Hollis you
you you were concerned about some stuff that was like
how far back and all of that, But it's like
it's so still like it's good stuff, and like should
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we be hitting it or not? You know, that's that's
that's always the kind of question but we got it
worked out. We think we did. We think we're good.
We think in our minds. I mean, it's time of year.
It's like it's it's literally like you know, you have
w NBA still going on, you have football, college football,
there's a great boxing event this weekend. It's just it's
baseball too. It's just so much going on, sports wild
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and again high school. You got high school football going
and and youth league, youth league, and there's always something
to say about you, that's for sure. But I guess
we're going to open with our major colleges in the state.
Marshall in WU. Yep, does anybody want you? Does anybody
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want to? Like? At least because she went to the game.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
So yeah, that that game, well, I'll tell you it
was it was some something to watch. So I'll just
give a recap of the score and everything. But of course,
unless you live under a rock in West Virginia, you
know that the Mountaineers lost in Athens to OU seventeen
to ten. You know, it was just a bad outing.
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I don't know how else to describe it. In Week two,
you know, against the Bobcats, they they pretty much could
You know that it's their first regular season loss to
a group of sixteen since two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Okay, let that sink in, all right.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It's also their you know, their first away game under
Rich Brod's helm, so that's also concerned.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
You know. Overall, it's a bad loss.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
But if you look at Ohio University, they are not horrible.
Last year they won the MAC Championship, which I was
not aware of in twenty twenty four that they were
the MIC champions. And also they have a quarterback that
he's good, like, he's legitimately he could play some different places.
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You know, some of the fans even told me that, uh,
you know, we tailgated with ou fans. He drives a
Lamborghini at Ohio U in Athens, Ohio.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Okay, he got recruited to be in a transfer portal
and they were trying to get him in other places,
but he turned them down to stay in Athens. Well,
and I'll say this too, like I think that you know, offensively, WVU,
they just couldn't get anything going. He threw three interceptions.
Some of those interceptions were at critical times. A w
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you just could not I mean, WV had field position
at times they couldn't get anything going. But let me
ask you this, because again, we've seen like the this
is week two of college football, approaching week three, and
we've seen like those big games coming out to shoot right,
the Texas, Ohio. You had those those those Notre Dame
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Miami games. Do you think it was to wv u's
disadvantage to open up with Robert Morris and then Ohio?
Should they have started a little bit stronger and then
when you can't win or lose that game, and then
when you come to a team like Ohio, you kind
of set and you're ready to go. And that's a
really interesting thought process. But for whatever reason, a lot
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of teams like that opening with a team that either
you paying them to come and take that hell and
you're thinking that you're gonna you're supposed to win that game.
But two weeks in a row you had two Yes,
I don't know. What I don't understand is what I'm saying. Yes,
what I don't understand is was this a situation where
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you thought you needed two of those i'm gonna call
them money games to get yourself situated with a new
offense with a new defense. That's a good point you.
You you know, maybe the thinking was we needed let's
let's let's go two weeks out played some you know,
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non relevant teams and win those and just get a
tune up. It's kind of like a scrimmage. I think
it hurts you because I mean, ultimately, like you know, again,
the major disadvantage. I think a lot of college coaches
are facing with essential thing. And we could talk about
marshall a sect in a minute where you essentially have
a whole new team.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So I'm sure rich Rod brought some of his guys
from Jacksonville and maybe other places he even coaches, but
you don't know as far as the players you've got,
and you got all these transfers coming in, so you
have to build that continuity. So I underst than the
thought process of maybe going out there and scheduling a
few games up front that you know you should win.
But at that same time, it's always that worry about
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your guys playing down as opposed to play up. And
I think one of those games you gotta go ahead
and just schedule the dog and just see what you got.
And you know what, it's funny that you say that
you know when you start because sometimes you're not you're
not ready yet, like mentally, you're not really ready sometimes
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to actually understand what it's like to jump out there
and play. You're looking at this team on film and
you're looking at him and you're saying, oh man, we
got we got them. And then all of a sudden,
they're looking at your film and they're thinking like, cause
they don't really have because they don't really have no
true film of that team to watch, so all you
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could do is watch rich Rodd's games from wherever he coaches,
and so you just all of a sudden, that's even.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
More concerning that they came out that's actually true. I
mean that they could come out and pull off a
win like that, and you know, in some of the pressers,
rich Rod said he was disappointed and not discouraged.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
However, there's some things to be discouraged about.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
First of all, you lose two starters on your offensive front.
They lost their running back, their they're starting running back,
and their wide receiver. Okay, that's too for the season, yes.
And the other thing is the defense, Like, they played
well to a point, but you're playing in my team
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and by the fourth quarter you're tired, like they couldn't
keep that fourth quarter got out of their their hands.
They couldn't finish what they started in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
But I don't know. I'll give the defense a break
because to me it was just offensively. Defense got your
three picks.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You know what I mean. And to your point, to
give me some If I got to be on the
field all day and ya and you ain't moving the ball,
you three and out every everything, every other every every
other time, I'm going there's a place for me to
get tired. Like I said, I just I think you
know it. But but I say, to rich Rod's point, heck,
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if w B you go oh and three. So they
can I mean, well not on three, but one and
two if they even if they lose to Pittsburgh this weekend,
if they win the Big twelve, they can still find
themselves in the college playoffs. So I mean, all is
not lost. All they have to do is win the conference.
But let me ask this question. I mean, I'm saying
like this easy, okay. Let's just I'm gonna roll with
you on that one. Okay, So they can pull that off.
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They could possibly if they do that and they lose
first out, first game, out in playoffs. There they're out.
How are people going because you got to play? Yeah, okay,
I'm with my my My question is you got you
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got two losses loss and one really a bad loss.
And I'm just saying if you stumble your way in
and then you get Because here's the thing, I think,
this is just me. I think college football State of
West Virginia, Marshall, w U. They won't wins. They don't
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want to just get in now. They'll settle getting in
if you get in, but man, they want to win
this point.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
No, I think at this point if we got in there,
that would be a miracle and the fans would appreciate
it and be elated.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I mean, I seriously, if you can go to a bowl,
the fans are going to be happy.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
The fans, I think, depending on I think, but I
think if you got into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
That's aff anything is to even get to even have
consideration at this point. Not only would you end up
in the playoffs, but that means you have to win
the Big Twelve. So that means you got a Big
Twelve championship and a players you're good, You're so that
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would submit to Rich Rodgers legacy for ad here forever.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Do you think that's possible though, I mean, it's holly
two starters on your offense, you have, you have a
quarterback that's questionable.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I mean, you know, the offense. I mean, we're in
the second game of the season. We've got injuries, and
they're I mean, and they're headed. You know, they're they're
going to go into the backyard brawl beat up without
really a good offense.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I don't think it's I think it's possible. Is it
likely probable?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Probably?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah? I mean, And I think that's that's the thing
with the new college setup. Right. So you know, ten
to fifteen years ago, you lose that game to Ohio University,
seasons done and it's over. We're not even you're just
playing for a decent boat, right, But now you actually
have a legitimate shot, a shot to be in the
national championship. They ain't a big twelve. They could I mean,
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I'm not saying they're going to win it, but I'm
saying they ain't out of it. I'll say that if you,
if you, if they lose, if they lose again, let's
say this coming week, that don't matter. If he's right, twelve,
it don't matter, doesn't matter. Okay, twelve ain't in the pit.
That excuse me. The pit's not in the big twelve, right,
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so it don't matter. I'm trying to figure it. Okay,
I understand that. But if you are zero and three
into well, yes, okay, so and you're a player in
today's mindset, are you already looking? I don't know, but
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I think you're already looking. If you were made, you
already looking. But but I'm saying, but okay, if you
if you're wanting and right now, yes, let's say you're
wanting too, and then you go into conference play and
you win like the first games within conference play, so
that means you two and oh in the comm Now,
I think I think that that's like the round. Okay,
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we got something here, let's roll. Let's know. I don't
say I don't think that. I'm thinking it's like, okay,
let me see. I mean, I don't think that. You know,
I'm saying we got something. I'm saying we we we
can we can maybe do a little. Can I can
stay I can, I can I can think I can
stay here again. But I still need to see again
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if you turn around and lose the following week after that,
I'm thinking you're starting to lose the players that are
the that believe in their mind that they're great players
because it's too easy.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
You're going to look at that, like the defensive lines.
I mean, you've got people looking in saying, well, you
know that defense isn't too bad. Let's just check out
some of these individual players. We may need them to
sheer to fill some gaps.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Because all I need is I need one defensive linement.
They got one that could fit right now. I mean,
I understand that, but I'm just saying optimistically, and I'm
just I think just the way college football has changed
is that it's just even with that loss, it's just
not over. No, you know what I'm saying. It may
be over for like we'll talk about Marshall. It's probably
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over for Marshall at this point, but it's not over
for w e U because of the conference, because of
the yeah, and they played, you know, the lower division.
They're not in the power for also speaking of Marshalls,
speaking of Marshall, let's.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Go there, Okay, I mean, it was a tough it
was a tough weekend for West Virginia fall.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah it was, but you mean.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Just set it up a little bit here, okay, so
we all know, here's another one. Marshall's oh and two
under the Tony Gibson era. You know, Missouri State defeated
the Herd twenty one to thirty or twenty one to twenty,
I'm sorry, And it was one of.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Those gut kick yes losses.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
You know what I'm saying, Like you're you're up with
you know, two five. I think it was like four
minutes left in the fourth quarter, and and and somehow
they they rally and you know, with two minutes and
twelve seconds left in the fourth quarter, you know, their
quarterback gets a big screen passing. Then later they intercept
a quarterback turner and and you know.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
That was it.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I was looking at the team stats and I'll quickly
go through them and then you guys tell me what
you think. You know, the stats usually tell the story, right,
so real quick, I'll go through ms Us and Marshall stats.
But passing yards, Marshall had three hundred and eighty I'm sorry.
MSU had three hundred and eighty eight. Marshall had eighty
three right there right Passing.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yard Wow, passing, that's an issue.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah, total yards, MSU had four hundred and seventy four,
Marshall had two hundred and seventy four, So it was
still a difference, but the passing yards was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Rushing yards weren't.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
They were a little better, but MSU had eighty six
Marshall had one hundred and ninety one. Penalties were about
the same. I won't go through all the others. Also,
time of possession was pretty equal, like MSU had thirty
four to twenty five. But that pass and rush, yeah,
that's tough.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
That's huge, right, And I think that that goes to
a team like Marshall when you have the lack of continuity,
because when you have a lack of continuity and when
you had the massive turnover that they had, to your point,
that reflects directly in the passing game because you don't
have the timing, you don't have the the just the
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time itself to work with quarterback receiver and that's kind
of the hardest thing to build far as even quarterback
to receiver offensive line to quarterback, So it's difficult to
build that. So when you have that lack of continuity,
because I think a lot of games are gonna come
down to who has more continuity. And when you look
at a team like Missouri State, which was a lower
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level team that Marshall should have beat a part of
money gains for Marshall, they probably had a without knowing
all the details, they probably had a little bit more
continuity and the guys that they brought back, and they
were able to overcome that, you know, maybe the difference
in conference or whatever. And I think what we're saying
here too is the fact that you have so many
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players leave, so many new players coming in. Nobody got
hit like Marshall, nobody country got hit like and not
defending them, but now you're bringing in guys and and
can't camp build continuity from all these different guys and
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and But I would say not this version of camp.
Maybe if you had the old school too, but you
there for a month thirty days, maybe yes, but not
this verse because again and again, the personalities of players
today is more individualized, I think than it's ever been.
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You know, like, you know, I'm on the team, I
want to be good. I want to be as good
as I can possibly be, which is always a good,
positive thing, but that has to fit inside of the team.
And there's money time, and there's money tied to ITHIP,
not just scholarship money. And I think I think that's
a separation, that that that keeps me from you, you know,
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from from connecting with you and saying, come on, man,
let's let's just go out there and work. I don't
care if you work or not. I'm trying to get
my money. And I and I think it. I think
it really really truly hurts the bond that a team
can have. And but and and let me ask the
reverse question. So we talked about a team like WVU
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kind of scheduling lower grade games the first two games.
Do you think it hurt Marshall scheduling that Ohio State
game when you have that lack of continuity? Should they
have walked in with a way, like even like a
Division two ponent, just to get kind of warmed up
and then gone maybe slowly into conference play? You mean Georgia, right,
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what's that, George?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
I'm sorry, Georgia, I don't know. I mean you would
think that it could go both ways, Like what you
said earlier, sometimes with them playing Georgia, they were never
in that game. I think I think there has to
be a level of competition that you consider, you know,
maybe not Georgia, maybe a team that's a little above you,
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like maybe a Virginia Tech, a more manageable team you
know that you possibly could could hang with.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Well, I'm saying in light of because they had the
mass incidents, do you you know what I'm saying saying
light of.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
That, But I don't think they could foresee that, right,
don't they set the schedules so far ahead.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
They may have had that schedule, they may have already
had it, but I'm just like, bro, I need to
after that last January look, man, schedule Like, look, we
ain't gonna be able to make that because to your point, Holli,
they had you had at least from January coming in you.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
They have to fill that spot, which is hard at
one short notice.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Right. I guess they could pick up a team like
a Missery Stay. I mean, I can pay a team,
That's what I'm about to say, Charles or So then
I paid somebody, Hampton, I could pay somebody. So that's
just anybody. Anybody that you call and say we're gonna
pay you this amount of money. They're coming somebody and
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I guess My point is just saying, when considering all
the transfer stuff and when you're scheduling games, yeah, do
you do you have to consider that? Now?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Are you al to cancel? Is there a certain time frame?
I don't know that that would be good to know, wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Yeah, I don't know that. I don't know if that's
a rule or not. But because I like Alabama, You've
just canceled their game with WU, but it's for twenty
twenty six exactly. That's what I'm saying. There's time for
them to I could have put I would have been
more than willing to push that ahead. But I'm guessing.
I'm just saying, like I would have guessed under these
insinuating circumstances if I'm Marshall, if I'm the a D
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and I'm looking at this, and I'm saying, dang, I'm
gonna get basically a whole new fifty two seventy two
man rosters. Maybe the check was too good, Maybe maybe
you might be they need money and right, but there's
no amount of money that can that can save your team,
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because in losses like this, you can lose that team's future.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
That's from a players and a coach's view, it's not
from the ads you that has I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I'm not saying that it's right.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I'm just saying they have a program to run and
they have to have funds to do it properly.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
I've got your info here on the cancelation policy.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
So there's no single unified scheduled cancelation policy for the NCAA.
So it depends on the conference that you're in and
the schools and a lot of times on there's one
for ones or whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
It's all built into the contract. Okay, okay, But but
I'm guessing within that contract it has to be something
whereas thing wedding circumstances, it has to be an out
in that. And to your point, Lisa, again from an
eighties perspective, from a university perspective, you're like, well, we
need that money to you know, carry but I don't
need football team, but you know, other program. Right. But
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if I'm also the coach who said it, okay, I'm
not gonna I'm probably not thinking that I got to
get out of it, but I still think I got
a chance to earn it. My team can get a
little bit better, hopefully, we won't get anybody hurt. All
of those kind of things. Yeah, I just I just
have a hard time thinking like, you're going to get better,
and you got a whole new coaching staff and whole
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new team.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Marshall has that mentality of winning that they are known
to go on the road and be able to hang
with teams. We know that, you know, Notre Dame, they
they've beaten them. They went to Clemson, Virginia Tech. I mean,
they're known to be able to go in there and
and pull off victories. And so maybe they were thinking,
you know, some of that magic may may still be around,
but not.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Sc When I was at State, we played we played
Marshall and and my of course, and coach prewittt Bob
Brewitt was the coach. There was no way that I
even had to think about him running the score up. Now,
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he couldn't save us if we couldn't tackle or couldn't
cover the receivers. He's not going to keep He's not
going to keep that team in. Right, if you don't
have that kind of a setup and you're and you're
the and you're the bottom end of the team, you know,
the team that's getting the money. I'm not sure that
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these games can these gams can ruin your season. I think,
like I said, I think they're worth it, and I
think it's as good that this because it's almost like,
you know, a revenue share within college sports. So I
don't mind it. I'm just saying, like I think. Now
it's a different thought process. Not only are you thinking
about the safety of your team and all that other stuff,
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but you're also thinking about dang man, I got thirty
new dudes here. Yeah, and I don't know, you know
what I'm saying, And I got a new coaches staff,
So I think those things have to be considered now
in addition to everything you just said as far as
your relationship with the coach and all these different other things. Yeah,
I think I.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Do you think that the beatdown in Georgia it had
I'm sure it did. It had a toll on their
mental framework going into this game, even it's a game
they should have won. You know, this team is this
is their first year in Conference USA, but they're coming
from Division one.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Okay, that's what they were.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
There's Division one, Division one FCS, right, Okay, yeah, yeah, sorry,
sorry FCS, But that's a step below at least a
step below the Sumbolt am I.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
And for the fans that that go down there and
pay the money to see this, you know, brand New,
hoping that with the money game that they could at
least pull a victory out against this team, Isn't it
going to be hard to pull those teams that those
fans back for this coming weekend? For another, I mean,
I don't think they're in some belt I didn't look
to see who their opponent is, but I'm pretty sure
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they're not in some belt play yet.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
But I think you've got I think you've got a
couple of weeks. You've got a couple of weeks, I
think two.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Before fans start to just say no, yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, now they're gonna talk all all through this time.
I think this lost is worse than w U. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
I do No, No, that team won the MOC. Oh
you won the MOC last year. I mean that's but
I say that quarter, but you threw three interceptions. You
tried to give that game back to w B.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I'm just saying the respect part like the opponent, but
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Like I think Marshall fans you gotta get his coach
and his team a mulligan. You got a whole new
squad this year. Don't even count if y'all win five
four games good, you know what I'm saying, bit of
I don't know if if I don't know if the
new Marshall fans even understand that reality, because that's not
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what we do. You know what I'm saying. We went,
we we we played for bowl games, we played for.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Chair especially after last year went in the Sunbow. But
you know, and that's another thing, the uninformed fan doesn't
realize how devastating it was after the the Sun Belt
Conference championship when the whole team left with twine.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yes, I don't.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Think the uninformed fan realizes what that did to that program.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Like it's years of damage. Some realize to me, some
may realize, but they're not cutting you no break. I
think you got to cut the team of break. I
just you have to break. You have to, man. It's
just like I said, you got a whole new team,
a whole new coaching staff, and you didn't even you
couldn't even feel the team for the bowl game exactly
after you won a conference championship.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
It's almost and I hate to even compare it, but
it's almost like the plane crash kind of situation. They
did not have enough players to play a game.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah, man, I would say this year and maybe even
next year as a wash. Whatever you can do, do it,
but we ain't gonna hold it against you. So I
think you think that you think that's the fans. I
think that's I think that's a real I think that's
a fan because again, it's not like I would stuff
is hidden. It's not like it's this was out. This
was like, dang, the whole team left and you had
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a really really good team. You had a really good quarterback,
you got uh, you got you got players in the
NFL that coach Huff coach that was on that team
last year. So you had you had legit dudes who
are now playing in the NFL and now playing at
a you know, in the Sun Belt, which you know.
So I just think this year is a wash, at
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least this year, I think it is. But reality is
the fans expected what are the different I'm really wondering
what the expectation is truly for the it was a
legitimate diehard fan. That's a good question for both teams. Yeah,
for both for the Mountaineers.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I mean, I don't know, you can't be delusional about
what both programs are going through in their own at
their own levels, in their own conferences.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I would say, man, just if you can get to
about five hundred, as Marshall, that's a good win. If
you can get to a bowl game for w VU,
that's a win. Yeah, I'm with you. But and but
to that, the only people who can who have to
understand that is the fan base. Because the team's not
thinking that. The coach can't. You can't say that, you
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know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
I think with both being like with with rich Rod
being at w VU in pact in the past and
Tony Gibson being a native of West Virginia, maybe the
fans won't put them in the hot seat as quickly.
But you can't, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I don't think that's tough. I can see it. I
can see I can see them doing with Rod like that.
I can see it. Also, I can see them doing
Tony the honeys, and that's that's wow. I would I
wish I could. I could agree with but I think
I just think that Marshall is Marshall's fan base. Marshall's fans.
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I don't think they belong there. I think is are
not patient. I don't think they're willing to be or
think that they have to be patient to wait. I
don't see how you got a choice. It's like one
of them situations you don't want to wait, but you
ain't got your choice. You ain't got a choice, like
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can we can we show up? Will we will they
show up? Yeah? I mean this man ain't even got
He's not even had a chance to recruit. You're right,
this is I mean again, transfer porter gives you the opportunity.
But like I said, you can have a collection of talent,
but just you having a collection of talent doesn't mean
you have a team. Okay, So okay, So if you're Marshall,
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are you in the portal or you got to be
in You can't be in high school unless you can
go get the top one of the top. God can't
at each position, which I don't think you can't. I
think you got to assess what you got and I
think in the portal you I think in the port
you gotta be strategic. So on the porter you need
to get your offense, offensive line, your defensive line foundational
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set if it's not already, and you gotta get some dogs,
and then you gotta get a couple of high school
kids so that way you can start to build for
the next two and three years. So I think you
got to do a little bit of both of you, Marshall.
I would, I would, I would guess guessing. I would
go all out for now if I could, unless there
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was a really suitless talk with real experience, I'm gonna
go ahead and bring in everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
From where and then and remember to become part of
the conversation.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Now I can go out and try to get some
you know, maybe a couple of high school guys, maybe
some juco guys, just some guys that can that I
can I think I can build from.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
And the sad part of this is, guys, this is
the sad part. It's always going to be an eternal
battle for these coaches because if you get any decent
players and you start winning, guess what happens, Yeah, they.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Get fished out and see. And this was my point
when we talked about this last year or earlier this year,
why in the world, just thinking, why do you get
rid of huff. You know what I'm saying again, unless
he wanted to leave us something different. But what I'm
saying is that if it just came down to a
contract dispute and you have a guy who is not
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on who's getting the transfer kids, but he's also getting
kids from West Virginia, and he's getting kids from the area,
and he's also winning you championships, and he's also pitting
guys in the n NFL. He had a record. Because
if nothing to your point, Lisa May, we may not
be able to pay you a whole bunch. Now look
at my record. I got up team guys in the NFL,
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and if you listen to if you listen to us,
and if you follow the program, you can be there
to that. So it's a selling point where you can
win games, you can and be in the NFL, you
can possibly get a little money in your pocket. So
I just think we set ourselves back. I'm not saying
the Gifts is not a great coach, but I think
that we're going to have to allow him two, three,
maybe even four seasons to turn this around. Are they
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going to be again? I just I questioned the patience
of an athletic director to say, three four years, I.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Think that the fortunately, I mean, I think in this
day and age, you know that that that's that's what's fair.
But whether it happens or not is a whole different story.
But because you don't sell tickets, you gotta make changes.
That's just the way it is. If you're not feeling
those seats in the stadium and you're not bringing in fans, changes,
changes happen.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
It's not fair. It's just the way it works. You're right,
you know. All right, Well, let's go take a quick
break and then we'll come right back.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, you gotta work.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
You gotta work.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
A sign it's mine, gotta show everybody is my sign.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Can't you gotta work? Cry shin another mind?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Who talking dog to day line, don't tell you gotta work.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
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Speaker 3 (33:36):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, Now we're gonna we're gonna
we're gonna switch to a kind of a I'm gonna
call it a crazy topic. Okay, you when you see
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sports today in most cases, or let's say back in
the day, you know there was Back in the day,
there was there was there was respect for me to
holler us as a as as a as a as
an opponent. You know, you you you shook hands. You
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you know you done all these kind of things. And
and and I know that they still do it. I
know in you football, we you know, we shake the
coaches hands and the players from sportsmanship. I don't think
ever in my entire football career have I ever thought
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or could think that another player would spit on me
down on the ground. There's all kinds of stuff happens
down at the bottom when you at when you're at
the bottom of the power, bottom of the power, there's
you know, there's somebody made me might throw a little
blow at you. But but but you're going to.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Game.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yes, Well, I mean, I think the the weird thing
about it is because I have seen it. There was
an incident years ago with Bill Romanowski, well I think
when he played for the Raiders and he spit on
a demo Broncos receiver. I can't remember the name. So,
but it was sort of like in the heat of
the battle, right they the game was already commencing, and
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they were, you know, jawing, and you know, things might
have happened with the context of the game. This situation
is unique in that the game ain't even started yet.
I just walked them to the dude and spit on it.
I just thought it was just it was It was
so strange that that happened, that you would do that,
and the referee was right there. You know, what, what
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what happened before that? Did you get into it before
the game?
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Did you see the whole video? I know, right when
it happened. The only part of the video they really
showed was the actual incident where he spit on Doc.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Right.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
But then if you roll the tape back a little bit,
I think some different sports outlets had put the complete
video out. Of course, there was trash talking. Doc was
pretty far away, but I guess they were, you know,
like you said, jawing at each other. And then Dyk
spit toward him and said something and smiled like this
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smirk on his face like you could see in the video.
He said something that he knew provoked him. He provoked him,
and so but it wasn't close to him. It was
like twelve feet away, so he had no intention. He
had the intention of inciting him to do something irrational.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
So you feel like he thought maybe Dak's spit at
him or tried to spin one who. I think that
was the impression he got.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
He was probably hyped up to play ball or whatever,
and then he actually followed through and spent on him,
which you know, that's that's no excuse. You've got to
be able to handle that situation. So in fact, I
think the NFL commissioner even came out and said, you
know that that they recognized that Doc did do some
things to provoke him, but he doesn't receive any discipline
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for it because you know, it's non punishable.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
What he did was non punishable, and they're only going
to suspend the I forget they got did just his name,
but they're only going to suspend him for the one
game that he missed and just finding whatever his harder salary, Yeah, Carter,
for the salary that he lost, So he is possible
for him not to get suspended any additional games. But
I mean, I don't.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Know, what do you think, Carl, You're in you were
in those types of games.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
It never, never, ever would it have crossed my mind,
Nor do I think it would have crossed a player's mind,
who we could be upset at each other, talking smack
with each other. I don't think that was ever would
come to my mind. And the fact that this is,
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this has happened, and let's just say if both players,
we are part of it. So Hollis, Hollis, I thought
he was spending on me. I spit back. I get him. Okay,
he missed me, I get him. We both need to
be fine. Oh, I think you're fine. Yes, I think
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you're fine. And you and you are out of game.
I wonder how long Carter's if not two games, for
sure one game, so that if anybody else sees or
thinks that they're going to do that, they know what
it's going to cost. If you do basically nothing, then
what's gonna stop it from happening again?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
But that's the whole point. He knows se see Dik
Prescott's been around the league long enough to know what
he can get away with. And I wonder how long
Carter's been in the league. But he baited, He definitely
baited him, and he took the bab He took it.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
He took it, took the bait. I don't know, Like
I said, I think it's just one of them situations
in which if everything you're saying is confirmed and true,
then it's kind of like a one for one. Just
let it go. But it's also a situation in which
Carter Man just like Sacum and throw elbow at us.
You know what I'm saying, Like, do something up like that,
don't just get a just but but I mean, people
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are human. We've seen the situation with Lamar Jackson with
the fan, and the fans shoved me, you know what
I'm saying, Lamar Jackson shoved him back. So at the
end of the day, your men, you're human and sometimes
you just have like that natural reaction. NFL and the
bill stuff. Okay, And to that point of the banning
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of the fan, who's involved with the player, Now it's
player on player, So you do nothing. You ain't gonna
ban the player. I'm not saying bann him, just spinning.
I mean he lost, he lost, darn. There's sixty sixty
g's sixty thousand dollars a game check, So I mean
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that's enough to deter me, you lose with some people
making up in a year. Yeah, but that, but but
that that could be a drop in the bucket for
maybe that could be a drop in the bucket for
I think anytime anybody think I think it's I think it's.
But again, even with the sixty, I think you said
a precedent that no one will ever think about crossing again.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Let me ask you this. Do you think Dak Prescott
was given a pass because of who he is the
starting quarterback of the Cowboys?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Just the spit ain't laying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he didn't
put enough behind it to get there, because because I
don't know if I'm really thinking that anybody has said
or anybody really thinks like he provoked it. You know,
I haven't seen anybody saying that he provoked it. I
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haven't heard you need to giggle it.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Okay, yeah, have you seen it, Matt, have you seen
the whole video? Oh my gosh. Okay, Well maybe, but
she only went But they even said in the press
conference like, uh, you know this guy, this this NFL
rules analyst said, you know, Dallas quarterback Dike Prescott will
not receive discipline for his role his role in in
the the incident that happened before the game.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Which which is which which makes it sound to me
like he had a roll in it because he was
he was jalling, he was there and jallin. But it
doesn't say because why don't you say what? What was
his role? But you ain't gonna say that. It's just
not worth saying it because again, nothing landed. So it's
just with situation in which they if you're the NFL,
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you just want to get rid of that.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
And they said, according according to him, Prescott's actions that
may have incited Jalen Carter's decision to spit on him
were non punishable.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
So otherwise, in other words, well because you don't have
a rule, he didn't, he didn't touch him, he didn't.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Well, yeah they do, now don't they today?
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Their emphasis?
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Get this, this is how ironic because that was our
opening game for NFL. Correct, that was Thursday night. Yeah,
the emphasis of the NFL in twenty twenty five is
sportsmanship and before they even kicked the ball.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
How ironic is that?
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (42:19):
But they have rules.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
I don't know if that's you know, there's a bunch,
but I don't know if that would qualify.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
But I mean other than that, thoughe, I mean, I
just thought like this weekend of games were just like,
these were some of the best opening weekend games that
I've ever seen. I mean, when we talk about Ravens, Bills,
Minnesota had a good comeback win last night, Jet Stealers,
like this was I don't know what's in the water,
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but generally in the first couple weeks of NFL or blah,
but these games were absolutely amazing. You talk about scoring,
you talk about comeback victories, you talk about storylines, you know,
Aaron Rodgers going back to the Jeets, and you know,
obviously the two competitive best teams in the a f
C outside of Kansas City, Bills and Ravens are playing.
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You know, obviously the rival between the historic rival between
the Bears and the Vikings, and all the games were
just really, really good.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Do you think the NFL purposely like looked at the
schedule and so, you know what we gotta we gotta
hook them right out of the gate and scheduled all
of these big games. I mean they were not like
normal opening games for the NFL.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Conference games, right, Yeah. I don't think ever we opened
the season with a conference a team in conference, and
who you think could be really a good game. You know,
you start talking about Bears and Vikings, you're talking a game,
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and I think even division like Tampa Bay. I think,
but did Tampa Bay? They played the Falcons, So it's like,
you know, the Cincinnati Bengals played the Browns. I think
this is the way you start to in conference. You
started in Robberies. Unlet's go if you like, said Cincinnati
and Cleveland in state. Basically, yeah, you got everybody in
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the state, the Eagles and Cowboys like they started it out,
Kansas City Chargers they started this Rightings and Packers. Yeah. Yes,
Michael Parsons showed up wearing that nice number one right
out there. I'm over here just glowing as a Packer fan.
I mean I loved it.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
I mean, I think he has made already one hundred
and fifty percent impact on the whole team, not just
the defense, the whole attitude of the whole team.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
That offense.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Jordan Love plays with confidence knowing, Hey, if I turn
the ball over, I got Michael Parsons on the other side,
It's gonna get it right back for me.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
And that loosens him up. In my opinion, undred percent
you had Travis Hunter. He I think they said he
got like thirty nine offensive plays, six to ten defensive
places up and again it's just it's Rex. Ryan had
a comment he talked about if he was coaching, he
would just playing on defense and and you know, because
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you can't build with so many good corner shut down
cornerbacks and just have him a little package on offense.
I agree with that too. I just I didn't understand
him coming out as a receiver, like starting as a
receiver and just like being a specialist far as a
defensive because I'm thinking, if I have somebody that athletic,
he's defense for me, and then we'll build you a
package on the offense end. See, I think if you
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let him be, if you let him be a corner
m h, I think he becomes a great corner. Forget receiver.
He used to forget to get receiver. I mean, he's
gonna he's gonna he's gonna catch some balls, he's gonna
run some routes, he might get a couple of touchdowns whatever.
But I don't know if anybody's going I would think
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him being the shutdown guy to everybody that we play,
We're putting you on the guy. To me, that gets
you everything that you need. Yeah, I just don't think
like I'm just like playing cornerback. If you can do
that at a high level, do that, yes, because it's
just not easy to do that in football, particularly in
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a past happy league. Like if you can play corner
at a high level, play corner, yeah, well we'll we'll
we'll throw you in a swing pass or something. We'll
get you. We don't need you, we don't need So
so what if you throw him a bomb an eighty
yard touchdown pass and okay it's a touchdown, you lose
the game? What what did that really do? He on
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the other side, on the defensive side of the ball,
at corner, he can shut down. We're gonna use him
as our shutdown guy against everybody's top receiver, maybe even
your number two or maybe even your number two, you know,
and and we can account we can count on him
shutting him down. Yeah, So I don't know. I was
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just that's just my paint. Aaron Rodgers. He looked great,
He did look good. He looked really good. And I
was the one who said I have to I have
to come back, I have to go back. And say
I was the one who's saying now, I said that too.
I was in agreement with you. Got it look good.
Let me just say this now again, I was wrong once.
Just one, just one, just one that was the only
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one I was wrong. I'll say this just as a
just just as just as a player. Okay. I can
remember my my last season. Okay, I can remember I
felt like I was playing fine early on, early on
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in the season, and then as as the season went on,
it took, you know, all of a sudden, a play
happened and I was like, oh, this is not Maybe
I don't have it, and I'm I'm I'm glad that
I walked away at the end of the season because
I just I couldn't. I could see stuff and couldn't
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and couldn't make it happen. We've seen a lot of
players start the season off really great and a long season.
It's a long it's a long season. And I'm not
rooting against him, man, I'm admitting that I was wrong.
I didn't think he had that in him neither. I didn't,
you know. But I think also going to a place
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like the Steelers helps too, because you're going to a
foundation or you're going to a steady organization. And I
also say, on the other end of that game, Justin
Fields looked great. Yeah, that was guy. He looked really,
he looks sharp. He was throwing the ball accurate. They
just kind of ran out of town. Derrick Henry Gosh.
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I mean you're talking about like again, somebody thirty one,
thirty three whatever he is. That's old for a running back. Now, yeah,
I mean, good lord and still steal. I mean in
the mumble. Again, that was a tough game for the
for the Ravens. But other than the fumble, I mean,
he looked like a man child. So it was a
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it was a great week. And and I don't want
to take anything. I don't want to take anything from him.
But because he has that kind of a mindset, you know,
he's there's there's a there's a ton of players don't
have that mindset that's out there. And now when you
give him the ball and he's got that type of
mindset and you he's running into the secondary, we ain't
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trying to hit him. I mean, he looked, he looked
just as fast, he looked just as I mean, obviously
he's just as big. I mean he he's gonna it's
gonna be a loss. And I think that fumble, that
that might be the best thing that happened to him
this season, because I'm telling I doubt he fumbles the
ball again all seasons, and he's gonna be running with vengeance.
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How heavy is it? Does anybody he's about? I was,
he's he's I want to say six two sixty three,
he's about two forty two fifty. He's in that ring.
But I mean you're talking about the guy runs like
a four five four four. But that's that's that's that's like,
that's like an Eric Dickerson type of situation. Bigger but bigger. Yeah,
And he does that Walter Payton workout where he does
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like the hills and stuff like that. So he's doing that.
So he's a combination of both of them. I'm telling
you he's not as loose. You know, Walter Payton was
loose and he could sort of absorb those hits and bounces.
He ain't that, but he can run straight over you.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
What do you guys think about the Chiefs being on
one like they lost to the Chargers? Although we you you,
I think it was you that said Charn be a sleep,
then be a sleep.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah, what what I mean? Is it too soon to
say I'm saying I'm saying it's too soon. But I
will also preface that by saying, you can you can.
You can only be Yeah, you can only be that
team to go to the super Bowl, the team that
beats everybody only a couple of years. You can't. You
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can't keep that.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
I have the same players, basically, they haven't lost anybody significant.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
But I just don't know their teams.
Speaker 7 (51:09):
Figure you out, I say, you played a lot of
you played a lot of hard. You gotta think you've
been in the super Bowl for like basically the last
on the Super Bowl hunt last five six years. Yeah,
Like you're not playing seventeen games, you're playing up to
twenty twenty one, twenty two games. And I'm saying I
don't I think they're going to be competitive. I don't
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think they go to the super Bowl this year.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
I think it's gonna be a bit of a down year,
just because to your point, they played a lot of football.
It's it's going to catch up to you eventually. Is
it going to be the Vikings? Carl Gosh, I really
really really really wish I could say, yes, they look good.
They they did look good. They did, they did, they
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really did. Again once his name McCarthy, Yeah and again.
Now you're talking about a young quarterback, now, okay, but
he found a way to lead the team. He really
he really did. I've seen a lot of young quarterbacks
during the time when I was playing with the Vikings
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that started off great and for whatever reason, by the
time the end of the season, because it's it's new
sixteen seventeen eighteen games, yeah, I mean it's it's it's tough.
You lose the lineman, you know that you need to
help protect you, you get hit a few times. All
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of a sudden, the game has a way of changing
because you go out and you play a game and
you feel like you played it well, and you're like, oh, okay,
this is really not you know, it's not all that right. Guarantee,
it's going to come a game that you're going to say,
oh my gosh and all that. Now they got some
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tape you to absolutely, but I don't know, man, It's like,
I really like the way they show resiliency and came back.
And again that's a conference game, so that kind of
gives you the one up the NFC nor it is
gonna be tough this year and when is it not?
It's gonna be really tough. We might have a super
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Bowl contender. In that vision, it's gonna be it's gonna
be tight wins that I mean, that's a that's a
big win. And I'm I mean you could look at
any one of those games and say, well, they'll split.
They can win and lose any one of those games,
you know, And then the question is is what is
their schedule on the outside, who are they playing? Who
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they played? What conference? Are they messed up with this conference?
Speaker 4 (53:49):
Then yeah, I'm not sure, but I think it's gonna
be an exciting an NFL season.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
I do.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
And I really think that it may be two completely
different teams in the NFL than what were you to.
I think there's a possibility.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
I think people would I think people would like ready
for that.
Speaker 4 (54:05):
Yeah, we're tired of the Chiefs and you know who
else has been Ravens Bills.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
So everybody knows. Everybody knows. Okay that you know, I'm
I'm I'm I'm the guy who's looking for the for
the Vikings to win. So I know both if you
all have your own individual teams. What are you thinking
about your team? And who to say it out loud?
Who I mean? You know, like I said, I'm rolling
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with the Bengals, and I'm you know, I always have
love for my Niners. But I get what, I don't
think nothing. But i'd say neither one. I mean, I
don't think. I don't see either one of them. Really,
you know. I think it's gonna be blid years. Maybe
make the playoffs. Bengals might make the playoffs, but you know,
again maybe, but I would say again, because you gotta
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go through Pittsburgh, you gotta go through the Ravens. So
maybe we don't even make the playoffs. It's gonna be
tough playoffs. And then nine is they didn't have a
great start, but I think Shanahana find a way to
you know, pull through and the making the plus. But
don't think they gonna make no noise. Hmmm, Well you
know who I am?
Speaker 4 (55:13):
I mean, I mean, I I don't are you asking
me if my team, the Packers, will make it to
the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
What do I think they're going to do? They're going
to do? How do you think they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (55:24):
I think they're gonna have a good season. I think
they're gonna win when they're supposed to, and they're gonna
have a couple of losses that they shouldn't lose just
because of their youth. I think they'll probably win the division.
That division, Well, I figured i'd get fired again since
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I fired every week. But I mean, you know, they've
already beat one of their biggest you know, competitions in in.
Speaker 3 (55:54):
The division, really the Lions. They were the ones that
won last year, right, I think Michael Parsons the top. Yeah,
I think they're gonna be really good.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
As long as they Like I said before, everybody's got
to stay healthy, you know, and that's that's a factor
for every team in the NFL or any college level
for that matter.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah, I'm hoping. I'm hoping that we can. We can
have a great offense. I think defensively, I think we
can be fine. I think, you know, we've always been
able to get out of and and and do okay defensively.
And but on the offensive side, we needed we needed
(56:34):
a solid quarterback. We need like you've got one. I know,
I'm saying we've always needed a solid quarterback. Now he
while young I think there's opportunities for us to run
the ball, and there's opportunities for us to throw the ball.
So I think that gives us an opportunity to be
in the hunt the runner up.
Speaker 6 (56:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (57:00):
Actually, I'm actually gonna actually think that we can win it.
Speaker 4 (57:03):
Okay, nf C North, what's on the line here?
Speaker 3 (57:08):
Do you need? You have to wear my cheese hat
in the studio if we win the division? Okay? Okay,
and then what okay, and I'll do whatever. I'll wear
a Vikings jurgey. Yeah, ridiculous. We'll get your journey. You
gotta get the horns. I'll blow the horn. Okay, Yeah,
there you go. All right, Will anybody got anybody anything else?
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Anything else? We can wrap up? Enough? All right, ladies
and gentlemen. I hope you enjoyed the show and we
will be back again next week
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome to Let's Talk with Carl Lee. Let's Talk is
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begin on Let's Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. This is Curly with Let's Talk.
And I have my two co hosts in the building,
Hollis Lewis Hello, and the Miss Lisa Odie football Queen.
So I'll say this, this has been one of the
more interesting setting up the show. This, this show is
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this was a little bit This was a little bit different.
It was a little challenging because there were I think
in all reality, there's like a lot of stuff, whether
there's yeah and then and and I know, Hollis you
you you were concerned about some stuff that was like
how far back and all of that, But it's like
it's so still like it's good stuff, and like should
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we be hitting it or not? You know, that's that's
that's always the kind of question but we got it
worked out. We think we did. We think we're good.
We think in our minds. I mean, it's time of year.
It's like it's it's literally like you know, you have
w NBA still going on, you have football, college football,
there's a great boxing event this weekend. It's just it's
baseball too. It's just so much going on, sports wild
(01:41):
and again high school. You got high school football going
and and youth league, youth league, and there's always something
to say about you, that's for sure. But I guess
we're going to open with our major colleges in the state.
Marshall in WU. Yep, does anybody want you? Does anybody
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want to? Like? At least because she went to the game.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
So yeah, that that game, well, I'll tell you it
was it was some something to watch. So I'll just
give a recap of the score and everything. But of course,
unless you live under a rock in West Virginia, you
know that the Mountaineers lost in Athens to OU seventeen
to ten. You know, it was just a bad outing.
(02:34):
I don't know how else to describe it. In Week two,
you know, against the Bobcats, they they pretty much could
You know that it's their first regular season loss to
a group of sixteen since two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Okay, let that sink in, all right.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It's also their you know, their first away game under
Rich Brod's helm, so that's also concerned.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
You know. Overall, it's a bad loss.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
But if you look at Ohio University, they are not horrible.
Last year they won the MAC Championship, which I was
not aware of in twenty twenty four that they were
the MIC champions. And also they have a quarterback that
he's good, like, he's legitimately he could play some different places.
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You know, some of the fans even told me that, uh,
you know, we tailgated with ou fans. He drives a
Lamborghini at Ohio U in Athens, Ohio.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Okay, he got recruited to be in a transfer portal
and they were trying to get him in other places,
but he turned them down to stay in Athens. Well,
and I'll say this too, like I think that you know, offensively, WVU,
they just couldn't get anything going. He threw three interceptions.
Some of those interceptions were at critical times. A w
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you just could not I mean, WV had field position
at times they couldn't get anything going. But let me
ask you this, because again, we've seen like the this
is week two of college football, approaching week three, and
we've seen like those big games coming out to shoot right,
the Texas, Ohio. You had those those those Notre Dame
(04:20):
Miami games. Do you think it was to wv u's
disadvantage to open up with Robert Morris and then Ohio?
Should they have started a little bit stronger and then
when you can't win or lose that game, and then
when you come to a team like Ohio, you kind
of set and you're ready to go. And that's a
really interesting thought process. But for whatever reason, a lot
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of teams like that opening with a team that either
you paying them to come and take that hell and
you're thinking that you're gonna you're supposed to win that game.
But two weeks in a row you had two Yes,
I don't know. What I don't understand is what I'm saying. Yes,
what I don't understand is was this a situation where
(05:05):
you thought you needed two of those i'm gonna call
them money games to get yourself situated with a new
offense with a new defense. That's a good point you.
You you know, maybe the thinking was we needed let's
let's let's go two weeks out played some you know,
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non relevant teams and win those and just get a
tune up. It's kind of like a scrimmage. I think
it hurts you because I mean, ultimately, like you know, again,
the major disadvantage. I think a lot of college coaches
are facing with essential thing. And we could talk about
marshall a sect in a minute where you essentially have
a whole new team.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So I'm sure rich Rod brought some of his guys
from Jacksonville and maybe other places he even coaches, but
you don't know as far as the players you've got,
and you got all these transfers coming in, so you
have to build that continuity. So I underst than the
thought process of maybe going out there and scheduling a
few games up front that you know you should win.
But at that same time, it's always that worry about
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your guys playing down as opposed to play up. And
I think one of those games you gotta go ahead
and just schedule the dog and just see what you got.
And you know what, it's funny that you say that
you know when you start because sometimes you're not you're
not ready yet, like mentally, you're not really ready sometimes
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to actually understand what it's like to jump out there
and play. You're looking at this team on film and
you're looking at him and you're saying, oh man, we
got we got them. And then all of a sudden,
they're looking at your film and they're thinking like, cause
they don't really have because they don't really have no
true film of that team to watch, so all you
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could do is watch rich Rodd's games from wherever he coaches,
and so you just all of a sudden, that's even.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
More concerning that they came out that's actually true. I
mean that they could come out and pull off a
win like that, and you know, in some of the pressers,
rich Rod said he was disappointed and not discouraged.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
However, there's some things to be discouraged about.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
First of all, you lose two starters on your offensive front.
They lost their running back, their they're starting running back,
and their wide receiver. Okay, that's too for the season, yes.
And the other thing is the defense, Like, they played
well to a point, but you're playing in my team
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and by the fourth quarter you're tired, like they couldn't
keep that fourth quarter got out of their their hands.
They couldn't finish what they started in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
But I don't know. I'll give the defense a break
because to me it was just offensively. Defense got your
three picks.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You know what I mean. And to your point, to
give me some If I got to be on the
field all day and ya and you ain't moving the ball,
you three and out every everything, every other every every
other time, I'm going there's a place for me to
get tired. Like I said, I just I think you
know it. But but I say, to rich Rod's point, heck,
(08:16):
if w B you go oh and three. So they
can I mean, well not on three, but one and
two if they even if they lose to Pittsburgh this weekend,
if they win the Big twelve, they can still find
themselves in the college playoffs. So I mean, all is
not lost. All they have to do is win the conference.
But let me ask this question. I mean, I'm saying
like this easy, okay. Let's just I'm gonna roll with
you on that one. Okay, So they can pull that off.
(08:39):
They could possibly if they do that and they lose
first out, first game, out in playoffs. There they're out.
How are people going because you got to play? Yeah, okay,
I'm with my my My question is you got you
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got two losses loss and one really a bad loss.
And I'm just saying if you stumble your way in
and then you get Because here's the thing, I think,
this is just me. I think college football State of
West Virginia, Marshall, w U. They won't wins. They don't
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want to just get in now. They'll settle getting in
if you get in, but man, they want to win
this point.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
No, I think at this point if we got in there,
that would be a miracle and the fans would appreciate
it and be elated.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I mean, I seriously, if you can go to a bowl,
the fans are going to be happy.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
The fans, I think, depending on I think, but I
think if you got into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
That's aff anything is to even get to even have
consideration at this point. Not only would you end up
in the playoffs, but that means you have to win
the Big Twelve. So that means you got a Big
Twelve championship and a players you're good, You're so that
(10:15):
would submit to Rich Rodgers legacy for ad here forever.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Do you think that's possible though, I mean, it's holly
two starters on your offense, you have, you have a
quarterback that's questionable.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I mean, you know, the offense. I mean, we're in
the second game of the season. We've got injuries, and
they're I mean, and they're headed. You know, they're they're
going to go into the backyard brawl beat up without
really a good offense.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I don't think it's I think it's possible. Is it
likely probable?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Probably?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah? I mean, And I think that's that's the thing
with the new college setup. Right. So you know, ten
to fifteen years ago, you lose that game to Ohio University,
seasons done and it's over. We're not even you're just
playing for a decent boat, right, But now you actually
have a legitimate shot, a shot to be in the
national championship. They ain't a big twelve. They could I mean,
(11:11):
I'm not saying they're going to win it, but I'm
saying they ain't out of it. I'll say that if you,
if you, if they lose, if they lose again, let's
say this coming week, that don't matter. If he's right, twelve,
it don't matter, doesn't matter. Okay, twelve ain't in the pit.
That excuse me. The pit's not in the big twelve, right,
(11:33):
so it don't matter. I'm trying to figure it. Okay,
I understand that. But if you are zero and three
into well, yes, okay, so and you're a player in
today's mindset, are you already looking? I don't know, but
(11:54):
I think you're already looking. If you were made, you
already looking. But but I'm saying, but okay, if you
if you're wanting and right now, yes, let's say you're
wanting too, and then you go into conference play and
you win like the first games within conference play, so
that means you two and oh in the comm Now,
I think I think that that's like the round. Okay,
(12:17):
we got something here, let's roll. Let's know. I don't
say I don't think that. I'm thinking it's like, okay,
let me see. I mean, I don't think that. You know,
I'm saying we got something. I'm saying we we we
can we can maybe do a little. Can I can
stay I can, I can I can think I can
stay here again. But I still need to see again
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if you turn around and lose the following week after that,
I'm thinking you're starting to lose the players that are
the that believe in their mind that they're great players
because it's too easy.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
You're going to look at that, like the defensive lines.
I mean, you've got people looking in saying, well, you
know that defense isn't too bad. Let's just check out
some of these individual players. We may need them to
sheer to fill some gaps.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Because all I need is I need one defensive linement.
They got one that could fit right now. I mean,
I understand that, but I'm just saying optimistically, and I'm
just I think just the way college football has changed
is that it's just even with that loss, it's just
not over. No, you know what I'm saying. It may
be over for like we'll talk about Marshall. It's probably
(13:23):
over for Marshall at this point, but it's not over
for w e U because of the conference, because of
the yeah, and they played, you know, the lower division.
They're not in the power for also speaking of Marshalls,
speaking of Marshall, let's.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Go there, Okay, I mean, it was a tough it
was a tough weekend for West Virginia fall.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah it was, but you mean.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Just set it up a little bit here, okay, so
we all know, here's another one. Marshall's oh and two
under the Tony Gibson era. You know, Missouri State defeated
the Herd twenty one to thirty or twenty one to twenty,
I'm sorry, And it was one of.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Those gut kick yes losses.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
You know what I'm saying, Like you're you're up with
you know, two five. I think it was like four
minutes left in the fourth quarter, and and and somehow
they they rally and you know, with two minutes and
twelve seconds left in the fourth quarter, you know, their
quarterback gets a big screen passing. Then later they intercept
a quarterback turner and and you know.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
That was it.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I was looking at the team stats and I'll quickly
go through them and then you guys tell me what
you think. You know, the stats usually tell the story, right,
so real quick, I'll go through ms Us and Marshall stats.
But passing yards, Marshall had three hundred and eighty I'm sorry.
MSU had three hundred and eighty eight. Marshall had eighty
three right there right Passing.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yard Wow, passing, that's an issue.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yeah, total yards, MSU had four hundred and seventy four,
Marshall had two hundred and seventy four, So it was
still a difference, but the passing yards was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Rushing yards weren't.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
They were a little better, but MSU had eighty six
Marshall had one hundred and ninety one. Penalties were about
the same. I won't go through all the others. Also,
time of possession was pretty equal, like MSU had thirty
four to twenty five. But that pass and rush, yeah,
that's tough.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
That's huge, right, And I think that that goes to
a team like Marshall when you have the lack of continuity,
because when you have a lack of continuity and when
you had the massive turnover that they had, to your point,
that reflects directly in the passing game because you don't
have the timing, you don't have the the just the
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time itself to work with quarterback receiver and that's kind
of the hardest thing to build far as even quarterback
to receiver offensive line to quarterback, So it's difficult to
build that. So when you have that lack of continuity,
because I think a lot of games are gonna come
down to who has more continuity. And when you look
at a team like Missouri State, which was a lower
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level team that Marshall should have beat a part of
money gains for Marshall, they probably had a without knowing
all the details, they probably had a little bit more
continuity and the guys that they brought back, and they
were able to overcome that, you know, maybe the difference
in conference or whatever. And I think what we're saying
here too is the fact that you have so many
(16:30):
players leave, so many new players coming in. Nobody got
hit like Marshall, nobody country got hit like and not
defending them, but now you're bringing in guys and and
can't camp build continuity from all these different guys and
(16:54):
and But I would say not this version of camp.
Maybe if you had the old school too, but you
there for a month thirty days, maybe yes, but not
this verse because again and again, the personalities of players
today is more individualized, I think than it's ever been.
(17:15):
You know, like, you know, I'm on the team, I
want to be good. I want to be as good
as I can possibly be, which is always a good,
positive thing, but that has to fit inside of the team.
And there's money time, and there's money tied to ITHIP,
not just scholarship money. And I think I think that's
a separation, that that that keeps me from you, you know,
(17:38):
from from connecting with you and saying, come on, man,
let's let's just go out there and work. I don't
care if you work or not. I'm trying to get
my money. And I and I think it. I think
it really really truly hurts the bond that a team
can have. And but and and let me ask the
reverse question. So we talked about a team like WVU
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kind of scheduling lower grade games the first two games.
Do you think it hurt Marshall scheduling that Ohio State
game when you have that lack of continuity? Should they
have walked in with a way, like even like a
Division two ponent, just to get kind of warmed up
and then gone maybe slowly into conference play? You mean Georgia, right,
(18:24):
what's that, George?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
I'm sorry, Georgia, I don't know. I mean you would
think that it could go both ways, Like what you
said earlier, sometimes with them playing Georgia, they were never
in that game. I think I think there has to
be a level of competition that you consider, you know,
maybe not Georgia, maybe a team that's a little above you,
(18:48):
like maybe a Virginia Tech, a more manageable team you
know that you possibly could could hang with.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Well, I'm saying in light of because they had the
mass incidents, do you you know what I'm saying saying
light of.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
That, But I don't think they could foresee that, right,
don't they set the schedules so far ahead.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
They may have had that schedule, they may have already
had it, but I'm just like, bro, I need to
after that last January look, man, schedule Like, look, we
ain't gonna be able to make that because to your point, Holli,
they had you had at least from January coming in you.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
They have to fill that spot, which is hard at
one short notice.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Right. I guess they could pick up a team like
a Missery Stay. I mean, I can pay a team,
That's what I'm about to say, Charles or So then
I paid somebody, Hampton, I could pay somebody. So that's
just anybody. Anybody that you call and say we're gonna
pay you this amount of money. They're coming somebody and
(19:48):
I guess My point is just saying, when considering all
the transfer stuff and when you're scheduling games, yeah, do
you do you have to consider that? Now?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Are you al to cancel? Is there a certain time frame?
I don't know that that would be good to know, wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Yeah, I don't know that. I don't know if that's
a rule or not. But because I like Alabama, You've
just canceled their game with WU, but it's for twenty
twenty six exactly. That's what I'm saying. There's time for
them to I could have put I would have been
more than willing to push that ahead. But I'm guessing.
I'm just saying, like I would have guessed under these
insinuating circumstances if I'm Marshall, if I'm the a D
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and I'm looking at this, and I'm saying, dang, I'm
gonna get basically a whole new fifty two seventy two
man rosters. Maybe the check was too good, Maybe maybe
you might be they need money and right, but there's
no amount of money that can that can save your team,
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because in losses like this, you can lose that team's future.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
That's from a players and a coach's view, it's not
from the ads you that has I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I'm not saying that it's right.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I'm just saying they have a program to run and
they have to have funds to do it properly.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
I've got your info here on the cancelation policy.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
So there's no single unified scheduled cancelation policy for the NCAA.
So it depends on the conference that you're in and
the schools and a lot of times on there's one
for ones or whatever.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
It's all built into the contract. Okay, okay, But but
I'm guessing within that contract it has to be something
whereas thing wedding circumstances, it has to be an out
in that. And to your point, Lisa, again from an
eighties perspective, from a university perspective, you're like, well, we
need that money to you know, carry but I don't
need football team, but you know, other program. Right. But
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if I'm also the coach who said it, okay, I'm
not gonna I'm probably not thinking that I got to
get out of it, but I still think I got
a chance to earn it. My team can get a
little bit better, hopefully, we won't get anybody hurt. All
of those kind of things. Yeah, I just I just
have a hard time thinking like, you're going to get better,
and you got a whole new coaching staff and whole
(22:06):
new team.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Marshall has that mentality of winning that they are known
to go on the road and be able to hang
with teams. We know that, you know, Notre Dame, they
they've beaten them. They went to Clemson, Virginia Tech. I mean,
they're known to be able to go in there and
and pull off victories. And so maybe they were thinking,
you know, some of that magic may may still be around,
but not.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Sc When I was at State, we played we played
Marshall and and my of course, and coach prewittt Bob
Brewitt was the coach. There was no way that I
even had to think about him running the score up. Now,
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he couldn't save us if we couldn't tackle or couldn't
cover the receivers. He's not going to keep He's not
going to keep that team in. Right, if you don't
have that kind of a setup and you're and you're
the and you're the bottom end of the team, you know,
the team that's getting the money. I'm not sure that
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these games can these gams can ruin your season. I think,
like I said, I think they're worth it, and I
think it's as good that this because it's almost like,
you know, a revenue share within college sports. So I
don't mind it. I'm just saying, like I think. Now
it's a different thought process. Not only are you thinking
about the safety of your team and all that other stuff,
(23:35):
but you're also thinking about dang man, I got thirty
new dudes here. Yeah, and I don't know, you know
what I'm saying, And I got a new coaches staff,
So I think those things have to be considered now
in addition to everything you just said as far as
your relationship with the coach and all these different other things. Yeah,
I think I.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Do you think that the beatdown in Georgia it had
I'm sure it did. It had a toll on their
mental framework going into this game, even it's a game
they should have won. You know, this team is this
is their first year in Conference USA, but they're coming
from Division one.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Okay, that's what they were.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
There's Division one, Division one FCS, right, Okay, yeah, yeah, sorry,
sorry FCS, But that's a step below at least a
step below the Sumbolt am I.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
And for the fans that that go down there and
pay the money to see this, you know, brand New,
hoping that with the money game that they could at
least pull a victory out against this team, Isn't it
going to be hard to pull those teams that those
fans back for this coming weekend? For another, I mean,
I don't think they're in some belt I didn't look
to see who their opponent is, but I'm pretty sure
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they're not in some belt play yet.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
But I think you've got I think you've got a
couple of weeks. You've got a couple of weeks, I
think two.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Before fans start to just say no, yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, now they're gonna talk all all through this time.
I think this lost is worse than w U. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
I do No, No, that team won the MOC. Oh
you won the MOC last year. I mean that's but
I say that quarter, but you threw three interceptions. You
tried to give that game back to w B.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I'm just saying the respect part like the opponent, but
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Like I think Marshall fans you gotta get his coach
and his team a mulligan. You got a whole new
squad this year. Don't even count if y'all win five
four games good, you know what I'm saying, bit of
I don't know if if I don't know if the
new Marshall fans even understand that reality, because that's not
(25:53):
what we do. You know what I'm saying. We went,
we we we played for bowl games, we played for.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Chair especially after last year went in the Sunbow. But
you know, and that's another thing, the uninformed fan doesn't
realize how devastating it was after the the Sun Belt
Conference championship when the whole team left with twine.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yes, I don't.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Think the uninformed fan realizes what that did to that program.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Like it's years of damage. Some realize to me, some
may realize, but they're not cutting you no break. I
think you got to cut the team of break. I
just you have to break. You have to, man. It's
just like I said, you got a whole new team,
a whole new coaching staff, and you didn't even you
couldn't even feel the team for the bowl game exactly
after you won a conference championship.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
It's almost and I hate to even compare it, but
it's almost like the plane crash kind of situation. They
did not have enough players to play a game.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah, man, I would say this year and maybe even
next year as a wash. Whatever you can do, do it,
but we ain't gonna hold it against you. So I
think you think that you think that's the fans. I
think that's I think that's a real I think that's
a fan because again, it's not like I would stuff
is hidden. It's not like it's this was out. This
was like, dang, the whole team left and you had
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a really really good team. You had a really good quarterback,
you got uh, you got you got players in the
NFL that coach Huff coach that was on that team
last year. So you had you had legit dudes who
are now playing in the NFL and now playing at
a you know, in the Sun Belt, which you know.
So I just think this year is a wash, at
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least this year, I think it is. But reality is
the fans expected what are the different I'm really wondering
what the expectation is truly for the it was a
legitimate diehard fan. That's a good question for both teams. Yeah,
for both for the Mountaineers.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I mean, I don't know, you can't be delusional about
what both programs are going through in their own at
their own levels, in their own conferences.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I would say, man, just if you can get to
about five hundred, as Marshall, that's a good win. If
you can get to a bowl game for w VU,
that's a win. Yeah, I'm with you. But and but
to that, the only people who can who have to
understand that is the fan base. Because the team's not
thinking that. The coach can't. You can't say that, you
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know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
I think with both being like with with rich Rod
being at w VU in pact in the past and
Tony Gibson being a native of West Virginia, maybe the
fans won't put them in the hot seat as quickly.
But you can't, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I don't think that's tough. I can see it. I
can see I can see them doing with Rod like that.
I can see it. Also, I can see them doing
Tony the honeys, and that's that's wow. I would I
wish I could. I could agree with but I think
I just think that Marshall is Marshall's fan base. Marshall's fans.
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I don't think they belong there. I think is are
not patient. I don't think they're willing to be or
think that they have to be patient to wait. I
don't see how you got a choice. It's like one
of them situations you don't want to wait, but you
ain't got your choice. You ain't got a choice, like
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can we can we show up? Will we will they
show up? Yeah? I mean this man ain't even got
He's not even had a chance to recruit. You're right,
this is I mean again, transfer porter gives you the opportunity.
But like I said, you can have a collection of talent,
but just you having a collection of talent doesn't mean
you have a team. Okay, So okay, So if you're Marshall,
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are you in the portal or you got to be
in You can't be in high school unless you can
go get the top one of the top. God can't
at each position, which I don't think you can't. I
think you got to assess what you got and I
think in the portal you I think in the port
you gotta be strategic. So on the porter you need
to get your offense, offensive line, your defensive line foundational
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set if it's not already, and you gotta get some dogs,
and then you gotta get a couple of high school
kids so that way you can start to build for
the next two and three years. So I think you
got to do a little bit of both of you, Marshall.
I would, I would, I would guess guessing. I would
go all out for now if I could, unless there
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was a really suitless talk with real experience, I'm gonna
go ahead and bring in everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
From where and then and remember to become part of
the conversation.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Now I can go out and try to get some
you know, maybe a couple of high school guys, maybe
some juco guys, just some guys that can that I
can I think I can build from.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
And the sad part of this is, guys, this is
the sad part. It's always going to be an eternal
battle for these coaches because if you get any decent
players and you start winning, guess what happens, Yeah, they.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Get fished out and see. And this was my point
when we talked about this last year or earlier this year,
why in the world, just thinking, why do you get
rid of huff. You know what I'm saying again, unless
he wanted to leave us something different. But what I'm
saying is that if it just came down to a
contract dispute and you have a guy who is not
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on who's getting the transfer kids, but he's also getting
kids from West Virginia, and he's getting kids from the area,
and he's also winning you championships, and he's also pitting
guys in the n NFL. He had a record. Because
if nothing to your point, Lisa May, we may not
be able to pay you a whole bunch. Now look
at my record. I got up team guys in the NFL,
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and if you listen to if you listen to us,
and if you follow the program, you can be there
to that. So it's a selling point where you can
win games, you can and be in the NFL, you
can possibly get a little money in your pocket. So
I just think we set ourselves back. I'm not saying
the Gifts is not a great coach, but I think
that we're going to have to allow him two, three,
maybe even four seasons to turn this around. Are they
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going to be again? I just I questioned the patience
of an athletic director to say, three four years, I.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Think that the fortunately, I mean, I think in this
day and age, you know that that that's that's what's fair.
But whether it happens or not is a whole different story.
But because you don't sell tickets, you gotta make changes.
That's just the way it is. If you're not feeling
those seats in the stadium and you're not bringing in fans, changes,
changes happen.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
It's not fair. It's just the way it works. You're right,
you know. All right, Well, let's go take a quick
break and then we'll come right back.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, you gotta work.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
You gotta work.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
A sign it's mine, gotta show everybody is my sign.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Can't you gotta work? Cry shin another mind?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Who talking dog to day line, don't tell you gotta work.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
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Speaker 3 (33:36):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, Now we're gonna we're gonna
we're gonna switch to a kind of a I'm gonna
call it a crazy topic. Okay, you when you see
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sports today in most cases, or let's say back in
the day, you know there was Back in the day,
there was there was there was respect for me to
holler us as a as as a as a as
an opponent. You know, you you you shook hands. You
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you know you done all these kind of things. And
and and I know that they still do it. I
know in you football, we you know, we shake the
coaches hands and the players from sportsmanship. I don't think
ever in my entire football career have I ever thought
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or could think that another player would spit on me
down on the ground. There's all kinds of stuff happens
down at the bottom when you at when you're at
the bottom of the power, bottom of the power, there's
you know, there's somebody made me might throw a little
blow at you. But but but you're going to.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Game.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yes, Well, I mean, I think the the weird thing
about it is because I have seen it. There was
an incident years ago with Bill Romanowski, well I think
when he played for the Raiders and he spit on
a demo Broncos receiver. I can't remember the name. So,
but it was sort of like in the heat of
the battle, right they the game was already commencing, and
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they were, you know, jawing, and you know, things might
have happened with the context of the game. This situation
is unique in that the game ain't even started yet.
I just walked them to the dude and spit on it.
I just thought it was just it was It was
so strange that that happened, that you would do that,
and the referee was right there. You know, what, what
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what happened before that? Did you get into it before
the game?
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Did you see the whole video? I know, right when
it happened. The only part of the video they really
showed was the actual incident where he spit on Doc.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Right.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
But then if you roll the tape back a little bit,
I think some different sports outlets had put the complete
video out. Of course, there was trash talking. Doc was
pretty far away, but I guess they were, you know,
like you said, jawing at each other. And then Dyk
spit toward him and said something and smiled like this
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smirk on his face like you could see in the video.
He said something that he knew provoked him. He provoked him,
and so but it wasn't close to him. It was
like twelve feet away, so he had no intention. He
had the intention of inciting him to do something irrational.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
So you feel like he thought maybe Dak's spit at
him or tried to spin one who. I think that
was the impression he got.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
He was probably hyped up to play ball or whatever,
and then he actually followed through and spent on him,
which you know, that's that's no excuse. You've got to
be able to handle that situation. So in fact, I
think the NFL commissioner even came out and said, you
know that that they recognized that Doc did do some
things to provoke him, but he doesn't receive any discipline
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for it because you know, it's non punishable.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
What he did was non punishable, and they're only going
to suspend the I forget they got did just his name,
but they're only going to suspend him for the one
game that he missed and just finding whatever his harder salary, Yeah, Carter,
for the salary that he lost, So he is possible
for him not to get suspended any additional games. But
I mean, I don't.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Know, what do you think, Carl, You're in you were
in those types of games.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
It never, never, ever would it have crossed my mind,
Nor do I think it would have crossed a player's mind,
who we could be upset at each other, talking smack
with each other. I don't think that was ever would
come to my mind. And the fact that this is,
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this has happened, and let's just say if both players,
we are part of it. So Hollis, Hollis, I thought
he was spending on me. I spit back. I get him. Okay,
he missed me, I get him. We both need to
be fine. Oh, I think you're fine. Yes, I think
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you're fine. And you and you are out of game.
I wonder how long Carter's if not two games, for
sure one game, so that if anybody else sees or
thinks that they're going to do that, they know what
it's going to cost. If you do basically nothing, then
what's gonna stop it from happening again?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
But that's the whole point. He knows se see Dik
Prescott's been around the league long enough to know what
he can get away with. And I wonder how long
Carter's been in the league. But he baited, He definitely
baited him, and he took the bab He took it.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
He took it, took the bait. I don't know, Like
I said, I think it's just one of them situations
in which if everything you're saying is confirmed and true,
then it's kind of like a one for one. Just
let it go. But it's also a situation in which
Carter Man just like Sacum and throw elbow at us.
You know what I'm saying, Like, do something up like that,
don't just get a just but but I mean, people
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are human. We've seen the situation with Lamar Jackson with
the fan, and the fans shoved me, you know what
I'm saying, Lamar Jackson shoved him back. So at the
end of the day, your men, you're human and sometimes
you just have like that natural reaction. NFL and the
bill stuff. Okay, And to that point of the banning
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of the fan, who's involved with the player, Now it's
player on player, So you do nothing. You ain't gonna
ban the player. I'm not saying bann him, just spinning.
I mean he lost, he lost, darn. There's sixty sixty
g's sixty thousand dollars a game check, So I mean
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that's enough to deter me, you lose with some people
making up in a year. Yeah, but that, but but
that that could be a drop in the bucket for
maybe that could be a drop in the bucket for
I think anytime anybody think I think it's I think it's.
But again, even with the sixty, I think you said
a precedent that no one will ever think about crossing again.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Let me ask you this. Do you think Dak Prescott
was given a pass because of who he is the
starting quarterback of the Cowboys?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Just the spit ain't laying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he didn't
put enough behind it to get there, because because I
don't know if I'm really thinking that anybody has said
or anybody really thinks like he provoked it. You know,
I haven't seen anybody saying that he provoked it. I
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haven't heard you need to giggle it.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Okay, yeah, have you seen it, Matt, have you seen
the whole video? Oh my gosh. Okay, Well maybe, but
she only went But they even said in the press
conference like, uh, you know this guy, this this NFL
rules analyst said, you know, Dallas quarterback Dike Prescott will
not receive discipline for his role his role in in
the the incident that happened before the game.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Which which is which which makes it sound to me
like he had a roll in it because he was
he was jalling, he was there and jallin. But it
doesn't say because why don't you say what? What was
his role? But you ain't gonna say that. It's just
not worth saying it because again, nothing landed. So it's
just with situation in which they if you're the NFL,
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you just want to get rid of that.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
And they said, according according to him, Prescott's actions that
may have incited Jalen Carter's decision to spit on him
were non punishable.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
So otherwise, in other words, well because you don't have
a rule, he didn't, he didn't touch him, he didn't.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Well, yeah they do, now don't they today?
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Their emphasis?
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Get this, this is how ironic because that was our
opening game for NFL. Correct, that was Thursday night. Yeah,
the emphasis of the NFL in twenty twenty five is
sportsmanship and before they even kicked the ball.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
How ironic is that?
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (42:19):
But they have rules.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
I don't know if that's you know, there's a bunch,
but I don't know if that would qualify.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
But I mean other than that, thoughe, I mean, I
just thought like this weekend of games were just like,
these were some of the best opening weekend games that
I've ever seen. I mean, when we talk about Ravens, Bills,
Minnesota had a good comeback win last night, Jet Stealers,
like this was I don't know what's in the water,
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but generally in the first couple weeks of NFL or blah,
but these games were absolutely amazing. You talk about scoring,
you talk about comeback victories, you talk about storylines, you know,
Aaron Rodgers going back to the Jeets, and you know,
obviously the two competitive best teams in the a f
C outside of Kansas City, Bills and Ravens are playing.
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You know, obviously the rival between the historic rival between
the Bears and the Vikings, and all the games were
just really, really good.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Do you think the NFL purposely like looked at the
schedule and so, you know what we gotta we gotta
hook them right out of the gate and scheduled all
of these big games. I mean they were not like
normal opening games for the NFL.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Conference games, right, Yeah. I don't think ever we opened
the season with a conference a team in conference, and
who you think could be really a good game. You know,
you start talking about Bears and Vikings, you're talking a game,
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and I think even division like Tampa Bay. I think,
but did Tampa Bay? They played the Falcons, So it's like,
you know, the Cincinnati Bengals played the Browns. I think
this is the way you start to in conference. You
started in Robberies. Unlet's go if you like, said Cincinnati
and Cleveland in state. Basically, yeah, you got everybody in
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the state, the Eagles and Cowboys like they started it out,
Kansas City Chargers they started this Rightings and Packers. Yeah. Yes,
Michael Parsons showed up wearing that nice number one right
out there. I'm over here just glowing as a Packer fan.
I mean I loved it.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
I mean, I think he has made already one hundred
and fifty percent impact on the whole team, not just
the defense, the whole attitude of the whole team.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
That offense.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Jordan Love plays with confidence knowing, Hey, if I turn
the ball over, I got Michael Parsons on the other side,
It's gonna get it right back for me.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
And that loosens him up. In my opinion, undred percent
you had Travis Hunter. He I think they said he
got like thirty nine offensive plays, six to ten defensive
places up and again it's just it's Rex. Ryan had
a comment he talked about if he was coaching, he
would just playing on defense and and you know, because
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you can't build with so many good corner shut down
cornerbacks and just have him a little package on offense.
I agree with that too. I just I didn't understand
him coming out as a receiver, like starting as a
receiver and just like being a specialist far as a
defensive because I'm thinking, if I have somebody that athletic,
he's defense for me, and then we'll build you a
package on the offense end. See, I think if you
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let him be, if you let him be a corner
m h, I think he becomes a great corner. Forget receiver.
He used to forget to get receiver. I mean, he's
gonna he's gonna he's gonna catch some balls, he's gonna
run some routes, he might get a couple of touchdowns whatever.
But I don't know if anybody's going I would think
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him being the shutdown guy to everybody that we play,
We're putting you on the guy. To me, that gets
you everything that you need. Yeah, I just don't think
like I'm just like playing cornerback. If you can do
that at a high level, do that, yes, because it's
just not easy to do that in football, particularly in
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a past happy league. Like if you can play corner
at a high level, play corner, yeah, well we'll we'll
we'll throw you in a swing pass or something. We'll
get you. We don't need you, we don't need So
so what if you throw him a bomb an eighty
yard touchdown pass and okay it's a touchdown, you lose
the game? What what did that really do? He on
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the other side, on the defensive side of the ball,
at corner, he can shut down. We're gonna use him
as our shutdown guy against everybody's top receiver, maybe even
your number two or maybe even your number two, you know,
and and we can account we can count on him
shutting him down. Yeah, So I don't know. I was
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just that's just my paint. Aaron Rodgers. He looked great,
He did look good. He looked really good. And I
was the one who said I have to I have
to come back, I have to go back. And say
I was the one who's saying now, I said that too.
I was in agreement with you. Got it look good.
Let me just say this now again, I was wrong once.
Just one, just one, just one that was the only
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one I was wrong. I'll say this just as a
just just as just as a player. Okay. I can
remember my my last season. Okay, I can remember I
felt like I was playing fine early on, early on
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in the season, and then as as the season went on,
it took, you know, all of a sudden, a play
happened and I was like, oh, this is not Maybe
I don't have it, and I'm I'm I'm glad that
I walked away at the end of the season because
I just I couldn't. I could see stuff and couldn't
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and couldn't make it happen. We've seen a lot of
players start the season off really great and a long season.
It's a long it's a long season. And I'm not
rooting against him, man, I'm admitting that I was wrong.
I didn't think he had that in him neither. I didn't,
you know. But I think also going to a place
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like the Steelers helps too, because you're going to a
foundation or you're going to a steady organization. And I
also say, on the other end of that game, Justin
Fields looked great. Yeah, that was guy. He looked really,
he looks sharp. He was throwing the ball accurate. They
just kind of ran out of town. Derrick Henry Gosh.
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I mean you're talking about like again, somebody thirty one,
thirty three whatever he is. That's old for a running back. Now, yeah,
I mean, good lord and still steal. I mean in
the mumble. Again, that was a tough game for the
for the Ravens. But other than the fumble, I mean,
he looked like a man child. So it was a
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it was a great week. And and I don't want
to take anything. I don't want to take anything from him.
But because he has that kind of a mindset, you know,
he's there's there's a there's a ton of players don't
have that mindset that's out there. And now when you
give him the ball and he's got that type of
mindset and you he's running into the secondary, we ain't
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trying to hit him. I mean, he looked, he looked
just as fast, he looked just as I mean, obviously
he's just as big. I mean he he's gonna it's
gonna be a loss. And I think that fumble, that
that might be the best thing that happened to him
this season, because I'm telling I doubt he fumbles the
ball again all seasons, and he's gonna be running with vengeance.
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How heavy is it? Does anybody he's about? I was,
he's he's I want to say six two sixty three,
he's about two forty two fifty. He's in that ring.
But I mean you're talking about the guy runs like
a four five four four. But that's that's that's that's like,
that's like an Eric Dickerson type of situation. Bigger but bigger. Yeah,
And he does that Walter Payton workout where he does
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like the hills and stuff like that. So he's doing that.
So he's a combination of both of them. I'm telling
you he's not as loose. You know, Walter Payton was
loose and he could sort of absorb those hits and bounces.
He ain't that, but he can run straight over you.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
What do you guys think about the Chiefs being on
one like they lost to the Chargers? Although we you you,
I think it was you that said Charn be a sleep,
then be a sleep.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah, what what I mean? Is it too soon to
say I'm saying I'm saying it's too soon. But I
will also preface that by saying, you can you can.
You can only be Yeah, you can only be that
team to go to the super Bowl, the team that
beats everybody only a couple of years. You can't. You
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can't keep that.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
I have the same players, basically, they haven't lost anybody significant.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
But I just don't know their teams.
Speaker 7 (51:09):
Figure you out, I say, you played a lot of
you played a lot of hard. You gotta think you've
been in the super Bowl for like basically the last
on the Super Bowl hunt last five six years. Yeah,
Like you're not playing seventeen games, you're playing up to
twenty twenty one, twenty two games. And I'm saying I
don't I think they're going to be competitive. I don't
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think they go to the super Bowl this year.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
I think it's gonna be a bit of a down year,
just because to your point, they played a lot of football.
It's it's going to catch up to you eventually. Is
it going to be the Vikings? Carl Gosh, I really
really really really wish I could say, yes, they look good.
They they did look good. They did, they did, they
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really did. Again once his name McCarthy, Yeah and again.
Now you're talking about a young quarterback, now, okay, but
he found a way to lead the team. He really
he really did. I've seen a lot of young quarterbacks
during the time when I was playing with the Vikings
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that started off great and for whatever reason, by the
time the end of the season, because it's it's new
sixteen seventeen eighteen games, yeah, I mean it's it's it's tough.
You lose the lineman, you know that you need to
help protect you, you get hit a few times. All
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of a sudden, the game has a way of changing
because you go out and you play a game and
you feel like you played it well, and you're like, oh, okay,
this is really not you know, it's not all that right. Guarantee,
it's going to come a game that you're going to say,
oh my gosh and all that. Now they got some
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tape you to absolutely, but I don't know, man, It's like,
I really like the way they show resiliency and came back.
And again that's a conference game, so that kind of
gives you the one up the NFC nor it is
gonna be tough this year and when is it not?
It's gonna be really tough. We might have a super
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Bowl contender. In that vision, it's gonna be it's gonna
be tight wins that I mean, that's a that's a
big win. And I'm I mean you could look at
any one of those games and say, well, they'll split.
They can win and lose any one of those games,
you know, And then the question is is what is
their schedule on the outside, who are they playing? Who
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they played? What conference? Are they messed up with this conference?
Speaker 4 (53:49):
Then yeah, I'm not sure, but I think it's gonna
be an exciting an NFL season.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
I do.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
And I really think that it may be two completely
different teams in the NFL than what were you to.
I think there's a possibility.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
I think people would I think people would like ready
for that.
Speaker 4 (54:05):
Yeah, we're tired of the Chiefs and you know who
else has been Ravens Bills.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
So everybody knows. Everybody knows. Okay that you know, I'm
I'm I'm I'm the guy who's looking for the for
the Vikings to win. So I know both if you
all have your own individual teams. What are you thinking
about your team? And who to say it out loud?
Who I mean? You know, like I said, I'm rolling
(54:34):
with the Bengals, and I'm you know, I always have
love for my Niners. But I get what, I don't
think nothing. But i'd say neither one. I mean, I
don't think. I don't see either one of them. Really,
you know. I think it's gonna be blid years. Maybe
make the playoffs. Bengals might make the playoffs, but you know,
again maybe, but I would say again, because you gotta
(54:55):
go through Pittsburgh, you gotta go through the Ravens. So
maybe we don't even make the playoffs. It's gonna be
tough playoffs. And then nine is they didn't have a
great start, but I think Shanahana find a way to
you know, pull through and the making the plus. But
don't think they gonna make no noise. Hmmm, Well you
know who I am?
Speaker 4 (55:13):
I mean, I mean, I I don't are you asking
me if my team, the Packers, will make it to
the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
What do I think they're going to do? They're going
to do? How do you think they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (55:24):
I think they're gonna have a good season. I think
they're gonna win when they're supposed to, and they're gonna
have a couple of losses that they shouldn't lose just
because of their youth. I think they'll probably win the division.
That division, Well, I figured i'd get fired again since
(55:44):
I fired every week. But I mean, you know, they've
already beat one of their biggest you know, competitions in in.
Speaker 3 (55:54):
The division, really the Lions. They were the ones that
won last year, right, I think Michael Parsons the top. Yeah,
I think they're gonna be really good.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
As long as they Like I said before, everybody's got
to stay healthy, you know, and that's that's a factor
for every team in the NFL or any college level
for that matter.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah, I'm hoping. I'm hoping that we can. We can
have a great offense. I think defensively, I think we
can be fine. I think, you know, we've always been
able to get out of and and and do okay defensively.
And but on the offensive side, we needed we needed
(56:34):
a solid quarterback. We need like you've got one. I know,
I'm saying we've always needed a solid quarterback. Now he
while young I think there's opportunities for us to run
the ball, and there's opportunities for us to throw the ball.
So I think that gives us an opportunity to be
in the hunt the runner up.
Speaker 6 (56:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (57:00):
Actually, I'm actually gonna actually think that we can win it.
Speaker 4 (57:03):
Okay, nf C North, what's on the line here?
Speaker 3 (57:08):
Do you need? You have to wear my cheese hat
in the studio if we win the division? Okay? Okay,
and then what okay, and I'll do whatever. I'll wear
a Vikings jurgey. Yeah, ridiculous. We'll get your journey. You
gotta get the horns. I'll blow the horn. Okay, Yeah,
there you go. All right, Will anybody got anybody anything else?
(57:30):
Anything else? We can wrap up? Enough? All right, ladies
and gentlemen. I hope you enjoyed the show and we
will be back again next week
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