Darryl Talley, former WVU Mountaineer (1979-1982) and NFL All-Pro (Buffalo Bills 1983-1994, Atlanta Falcons 1995, Minnesota Vikings 1996) stops by to talk about his time as a linebacker with the West Virginia Mountaineers, and his career in the National Football League, including 4 Super Bowl appearances with the Buffalo Bills. From game-changing interceptions to wild nicknames, the conversation with "The Duke of Awesome" covers a little bit of everything with one of the greatest defenders to ever suit up in the blue and gold! Let's Talk, with Carl Lee and Lisa Otey!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:54):
All right, Hello, ladies and gentlemen, This is Carly with
Let's Talk. And uh, Hollis Lewis is not in the building,
but my beautiful co host Lisa Odie's in the building.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Hello.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (01:04):
Lisa?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I am really good. I'm actually excited.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
We have a player, a former WU player than have
you introduced? I would love that who also played for
the Buffalo Bills, and I consider him a friend, and
I'll talk more about that friendship.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
You're taking half of my introduction, but that's okay.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
I'm gonna let you go ahead and take it. Go
ahead and take it all right.
Speaker 7 (01:27):
So, our honored guest tonight is a former, as Carl said,
professional football player. He was a linebacker in the NFL
for fourteen seasons during the nineteen eighties and nineties. He
played collegiate football for West Virginia University and was recognized
as an All American during his time there. He also
played professionally for the Buffalo Bills, Atlanta Falcons, and Minnesota Vikings.
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I give Carl the SADA the NFL. There you go,
and played in four Super Bowls with the Bills.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
We'd like to work.
Speaker 7 (02:00):
Welcome to the podcast tonight, mister Darryl Tally. Welcome Darryl.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Well, thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Lately.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, this one is gonna be fun because I already
know you, and I know that there is no there
is no following any kind of a script with you,
So who knows what you'll say.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
So, but but but I would have got much better,
I will say, though.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I don't I well, let me make be the judge
of that after the show's over. So so let's let
me let me take you back and ask you a
question about WVU, your time with WVU, and what do
you see now with WVU compared to what you saw
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it as being a player there, a great player there,
and what do you see now that you think makes
it different not as I don't know if you want
to say that this is the right, we're not as good,
or what do you think about the game of football
that is being played at WVU overall?
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Okay, let's see. Well, thank you guys for having me
first of all, being on Here's the thing. What I
see at WU right now. I see a program that
was that was in flux right now where we're trying
to go from one coach to another and one type
of player to another. So we've got seventy eight guys,
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eighty guys we brought in that Rich didn't recruit from
high school. He's got a few high school guys in
and he's recruited. But basically this thing has been dope
through the portal. Well, you got seventy eight new guys
coming into a school, and that's just like everybody coming
in as a freshman, everybody coming in as rookies, because
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nobody has any prior knowledge of what his teams are,
what's to be expected, or anything like that. So that's
a huge difference for a coach. A coach has usually
got some sort of footing where he's had time to
build his program and get his thoughts across to his team,
how he wants to practice, how he wants the plays
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to be ran. A coach has had a chance to
do that. Well, we really haven't had that much time.
We've had time for guys to learn the system, but
now in order for the system to become theirs in
dem on it. So that's just going to take time.
There's nothing else but time going to get that.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Is a w W fan base willing to be that
patient with the coach.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
Here's the thing, here's the thing. We got no choice
because where other choices, we we got one of our
own in the house. We've got somebody we feel and
we trust. We've got somebody who's played at that level,
who's played the way that we want to play football.
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Everybody held accountable, So yeah, you've got a guy in
the house that can do the job. Now it's the
idea of getting him the just like you said, getting
a shift the proper ingredients to make a cake. We
got to go get him the ingredients for a Kike
or he's got to go do his own shopping because
they're not letting me do his shopping for it. I'm
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not his baker.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
Yeah. Good analogy, and I think you're right. I think
the fan base does have to be patient.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Darryl.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
You got to give him a year. You got to
get him two years, three years to do that, because
you got to remember, you got young, seventeen year old
kids that you're bringing in that you're expecting to do
things with. And think about that. Think about you when
you were seventeen years old? How old screwy was your brand?
Where were you going?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
What do you mean, Daryl.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
Girls still in that stage. I don't know if you
ever left at adolescent.
Speaker 8 (05:56):
Well I just.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Went from thirteen to fourteen.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Okay, that's a little bit I would have said for him,
but I'll work with him.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Go ahead. Well, well, let me ask you this and this.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Look this is kind of more direct, and I'm curious
to see because you kind of sounded like you you
really trust in in in the.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Head coach in the process. Okay, I trust in the process.
Is the process?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Or do you like the coaches pick or the university's
pick of the coach.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
I like the university's pick as a coach number one,
because I feel I feel like I've got one of
my own in the house. It's been through the same
wars I've been through. This had to be down there
throwing up in the in the basement of the powers,
down into on the field, throwing up. I've seen that.
I don't have to wonder about that. I know that.
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I know that's what he's been through. I don't have
to guess I was there seeing it. M nothing be
self experience. So that much, I know that much, I'm
not worried about. But what I'm worried about is giving
him a proper amount of time. Because here's the thing.
You grow wasn't built in a day, right, and you're
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asking to turn a program around that had good players
in it, but a lot of guys left. And this
is a time nine times now, these times now you
if you don't like the place you can lead, there's
no repercussions for you leaving.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Now.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
There used to be repercussions for us.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And if you play good for you, it's all about money.
So I think that makes it hard to hard, hard
to grow a team with a seed with guys year
in and year out, because the better guy I'm leaving.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Yeah, the better guy's going to leave. So what I'm
thinking is Richie's got to get him a nucleus of guys.
He's got a crew guys this year, he may lose
a few, and he's got a recruited class next year.
Next year will give him two classes of recruits of
his guys. He went out and got. He hand picked
what he wanted. Okay, everybody else to know from the portal,
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that's fine. Then he goes to the third year, the
third year coming out, I think rich should be ready
to go and he should be full with bare He
should be unfabold at that time because he should have
a roster full of his guys that now know exactly
what to do because he's brought him in from freshmen.
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Now the juniors. Thinking about your your your growth from
your freshman year to your junior year. Would anybody know
you as a freshman if they seen you then and
then seeing you as a junior.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
You can say, man, you might want to take they
do a junior.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I know A.
Speaker 7 (09:03):
Yeah, so, uh, Darryl, I'm gonna I'm gonna switch lanes
and take you back in time a little bit to
East Cleveland where you attended Shaw High School.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I'm here, oh okay, okay.
Speaker 7 (09:16):
I read some some information about your time there that
during that time you played both full back and linebacker,
and it kind of pushed away some of your recruiting
schools because you never settled on either position, and so that.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
No playa man, you.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Didn't play both in high school.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
I was all, okay. My sophomore year, I played running
I tried to play running back myself.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Running back, okay, that's my bad. And linebacker no YEA
one year.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
I looked at the guy, Yeah, I got okay, okay,
I ran. I ran a trap and I had to
guys about two hundred and seventy pounds apiece me, and
I was that was that I got him off the ground.
I went back over to mister ballman, and I totally
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if I ever asked you to play running back again,
kicked me in my ass. My expression, that's what I said.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Well, that explains the whole the whole the bottle there.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Right, never been back when the other sat off.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
That's what got me on the defensive side off. So yeah,
I experienced that, and I was like, I don't really
think I want to do this.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I'd rather hit you than you hit me.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Oh my gosh, yeah hit me.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
It's pretty this way. They made a sandwich out of me.
You can't remember when I was in school. I was
only thirty five pounds. Oh wow, Okay, these guys are
seventy Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, peace.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
So yeah, I'll strike fire and anybody. I'll strike fire
on anybody.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah, it don't matter.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Okay, well let me maybe let me let me see
if this part's correct. Maybe the Internet was lying to
me all day today. Uh did you did you actually
miss your last seven high school games with a broken ankle?
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yep?
Speaker 9 (11:06):
Okay, okay, di varsity games okay, my junior year, my senior.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Year, okay, So broke my ankle, yes, okay.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Senior year, broke my hand, broke your.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Hand okay, okay.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
So whenever those things, those injuries occurred, then w U
came knocking on your door and actively recruited you. You know,
what were your initial thoughts thinking about the school.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
The late response, I'm not sure if we want to
hear this, Aryl.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Was, I got to go to a lot of schools.
But what was interesting when I got to West Virginia
there were a lot of guys from my area there.
There were already a lot of guys from the Ohio
area there, Okay. And the other thing that attracted me
was it was eight the one right that's the girls,
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and I was like five. I mean it was like
it was four to four. I mean it was a
lot closer Syracuse. It was nine to one in West Virginia.
So I figured, I'm going with the odds and I
have more fun on my recruiting trip in West Virginia.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I bet you did.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I'm a guy that I think the odds in my favor,
I said, I'm not that guy who's not going to
bet on himself and trust always better on Darryl.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
And trust me, I've been around him him.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Darl I know what I'm working with it. I know
what I got, I know what I am, I know
how I am. I will not quit. Daryl's going. Darrel's
in this for the long long. If he decides to
do it, He's getting in it. He's getting involved, And
isn't it Isn't.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It interesting though, because I think when people think of
certain players, you know, they see them, they think that
they're you know, they evaluate them as good, great, whatever.
And but when you actually talk about your self confidence,
it seems like it's like, well, wait a minute, is
he cocky? And and I don't think like, I don't
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think that like people understand like what like what confidence that.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
You have to have?
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Just no, I just know what I know.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Right, And and people and people can be uncomfortable with that,
you know.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
They Yes, I've had people trying to tell me what
I knew that I didn't know. I knew it to
be true. They're trying to tell me it's not. And
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, you got the wrong one.
And that's when they that's when they get the idea that, yeah,
he's stubborn, he's something different, he's a different human because
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he's duped a little different when it comes it up.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
And most of the most most great players, most players
who get to the next level, are different.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
They are different.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Oh I'll attest to that.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Yes, we are, we are.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
We're a little different. We're a little different.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Man.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Oh god, we don't. We're not wired the same way.
That's that's the way may have regular wiring, and that's.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
What motivates you for sure. So well let's go. Let's
go back in time. Not quite as far.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
This time, Daryl, Okay, but we'll go to nineteen seventy nine,
eighty two. Uh, you were part of the Mountaineer team.
You led the team I think in eighty one to
the Peach Bowl and the Gator Bowl in eighty two,
and you were one and one in those games, correct you.
I think you had a victory over Florida impeach and
then lost to Florida State Gator bawl. Right, m yeah,
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Gator Bowl has always been tough for Mountaineers, has I
like both? Don't let him tell you such blasphemy. I
love Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Gator Bowl was a trip. Yeah, I mean the Peach Bowl,
Beach Bowl. We had we were we had something to prove. Yes,
we had been disrespect I felt disrespected. We were the
little lonely child from West Virginia. You were a little
chargle from West Virginia playing football. We had no business
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out there playing with those big boys from Florida, those
boys in Florida. They were all Americans, all of these
great guys, and what are they gonna do? Play these
little lonely kids from West Virginia, Florida. We brought a
mud turtle to the game and a fight. Wow, a
fight and a resolve to the game that nobody had seen. Yeah,
they didn't think. They didn't think that we would come
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at him that hard. They honestly didn't think we were
gonna come play. They thought they were gonna roll us over.
And then they got a big blood slap in the
face of reality. But the shot that had been heard
around the world was sent off the year before, and
that was Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
That's right in eighty right, yep, Yeah, you were part
of that victory. Yeah, that was huge. I remember it now.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Yeah, I was. I was a part of the I
was a part of the vicious beating we took too.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
I was part of the reason why it didn't become
once we went out there and we had that that
went out there, right, because you could beat fifty forty
two points and you could do nothing but stand there. Now,
remember I was a freshman, but did probably honest, when
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you're looking across the street and you got Thomas Slot,
Kenny King, David Overstreet h and who was the other
and then you got reeb sorry and Jackson for the Guards.
Well they got an all pro offense over there, Yeah,
and they beat us by forty two points.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Woodshed trip, right, that was a wood ship.
Speaker 9 (17:19):
Yeah, And that was when you learned how football was
really to be played, really for me, because then we
got to go into the Penn State mm hm.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
And you're part of that and you got to take it.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
That was a part of what beating we took. Then.
I was part of the beating that we took from Pitt.
So those two national championship teams plus Oklahoma was enough
of a beating from me and scarring in my life
for me to have to come out and get some
revenge on some people.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
And you guys just and now, Jeff, how was that?
Jeff Hosteler was with you, right, was it?
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Jeff?
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (17:58):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
Yeah, here's even funnier party. The year before, we're playing
Penn State in Morgantown. I knocked a Blackledge out of
the game. Jeff comes in the game, wins the game
for Penn State. Next year, Jeff comes to West Virginia.
We tore we go to Oklahoma, Jeff's my quarterback? Then
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did show ironic? We go to the Super Bowl, that
super quarterback, I'm playing against him.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yes, that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
That's crazy for sure.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
Now, so I'm looking at that and yes I'm going.
And I have an argument with my roommate Bruce about him.
I told him, I said, Bruce, you know you got
to get Jeff on the ground. You know you got
to get him on the ground. You got to get
him on the ground, because you know it be of
the strong. You got to get him down. And what
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did he do? Bruce misses him in the back for
sight a safety. Had he's got the safety. We win
the game because they don't go down to sport a
touchdown before halftime.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
Oh gosh, okay, yeah, okay, that's rough.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Okay, Now here's the other part of that story. Y'ell
makes a play on third down. We still don't have
to go down and make that play. We still don't
have to do that because during the same drive, I
missed a tackle that I made. I missed in the backfield,
gobbing made across the line of scrimmage, and he made
the first down. So there's that.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Isn't it interesting how you can remember like the worst place.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
When you get you get to sit back. Now you've
got perspective on everything. You see where you streamed up.
You know exactly what you did wrong. Yeah, and if
you can go but I can do it again, would
you be able to do it right? I still don't
think so.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Yeah, I don't know. I truly I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Here's the thing. Fate is fake. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
And don't you think and don't you think too. It's
a it's a it's a balancing act too, because if
you don't have those, you are really gonna think that
you're something special, like because nobody's beat nobody's gonna beat
me deep until somebody beats me.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Deep until it.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
And then once it happens, you don't get to say
nobody's gonna beat me deep.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
That's right. And trust me, I understand that because I
used to be the guy sitting there. Tell you don't worry.
The fore BET's mine. I got the outcut. I got
that outcut, that's mine. They got out go to me,
I got that. You think everything's deep and ed?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Are you take care of the outside I.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Gotta get my ass out there, and you you don't
see it, and that's you think. Today's day, you don't
see outside linebackers that are able to get there and
cover that guy. And I'm like, wait a minute, this
is what I did, and I'm looking at it and
happens every day. But see somebody run that stupid route.
And I'm like, look, you need to play for stake.
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You do something different and you got to get somebody
under that route.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Let me ask you this to that point, the plays
that you and again this is all this all runs
into my head. The plays that you can see that
you watch and you see guys not make and you
think to yourself, man, why can't they not make that play?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
As you sit on your couch.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
We are on the couch. We're on the couch, watch it.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And I'm sure that it's happened to me that that
that place, that somebody beat me. But then but then
my justification to that is, see I even got a
back up there. Well, if that's you know, if that happened,
Andre Reid did that to me, Jerry Rice did that
to me, you throw out the big man.
Speaker 10 (22:00):
Yes, because you're all aware of that that's just like
I'm aware of Randy Boss looking at me after a
Russ Francis hits me my rookie year, and I look
up through.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
The air hole. Rand is going damn Randy's cross all
the time. So when everybody used to same on BV,
I used to say, damn, I've seen him already.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Oh wow.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
Oh, let me ask you this, yes, Darrell about it
seems like you when you started in nineteen seventy nine
with the Mountaineers, that was a bad year, and you
guys built a team. You brought in Jeff Hosteler, you
added some people that could make you better so that
you went to those Gator or the Gator Bolling eighty
two and the peach Ball in eighty one. Do you
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feel like in this day and time that your team
that you built and from seventy nine to eighty two
and was so successful with do you think that would
even be possible into day's world with the transfer portal
and ni L? I mean, do you do you feel
like that you would have stayed.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
We'd have broken Let's put it this way, we'd have
broke the n I L team. We'd have broke it.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Yeah, I agree, with that.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Yeah, diould have been like, uh, we can't paid that one.
We ain't paying. But then again, you know what, that
stuff still went on. To be honest with you, Okay,
you can't. You can't say that it didn't has been
going on since the attorney. This is the n I
l is just them bringing it to light. Course what
it is, just course, what it is. This is what
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he's going on. I ain't going through the shade on
nobody and no, no dust Yeah we both know. Well
am I am, I am I speaking on the turn.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
No you're not. No you're not.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
And we both know.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Yes, I know not because I got a dollar. I didn't.
I didn't get it, doll, I didn't get it. I
didn't get it a dollar.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
But way, but here's the thing. I didn't get a dollar.
I got one one guy gave me. So I can't
say that I didn't get one dollar. I got one
hell some money hand in the middle and got me one.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
See Marshall, right, and Marshall see and and and the
difference in Marshall than probably a lot of places we had.
You know, first we had Sonny Randa, who was a
former NFL player and all that kind of good stuff,
and he wasn't having that, like he wasn't going to
have us getting money from anybody.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
You know. Now the program absolutely he's going after that.
But yes, I.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Don't think any and and I might be wrong, and
you can corrack me when I finished here, but I
don't think coaches worried about it being wrong.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
I think they worried about how to do it.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
And I think because I've talked to a ton of
guys that I played in the locker room at the
Pro Left who talked about getting money and the way
they got it and how much they got, you know,
whether enough.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
For cars and all that kind of stuff. So this
isn't new.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
It's just it's the way social media is, the way
the TV news is. It's all that stuff now is
getting out and people are comfortable with it. If you
were getting paid, you were gonna be as private as
you could be with anybody who's not getting paid.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
But everybody who's getting paid is cool. We're cool.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Every everybody everybody's getting paid don't know about it. And
the problem was I wasn't getting paid. It was pretty
this way. I told myself how bad I was, and
he told me no, and I will stand on the
stock of Bibles with w I went to go Senia
and asked him and he told me, no, we don't
do things like that. The health and I and I
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and I watched, I watched a great running back that
needed help. They didn't get it. We didn't keep and
this guy would have probably I don't know, hmm. I
say that because I've watched him, played against him and
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seeing what kind of runner he was at the age
he was. I don't think luckily he got hurt and
he had some problems. But yeah, one kid, we because
he asked you, and then I would ask you and
he told me, no, we don't do things like that.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Were you there, and I can't remember if you told
me this before you were you were there with Robert Alexander.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Were you there?
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Yeah? I was there with that. I was there with him,
footing him all of.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Them, and and I and I know, I know we've
had this conversation together because I remember it because Robert
was my guy, Like he was the guy who was
talking to me in my ears, saying this is what
you got to do, you got to put the time
in and all of those kind of things. And I
have I have defended him on his time at wv U,
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because what he told me was that you know his
because he was the guy who told me, don't drink,
don't smoke.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Don't do anything right.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
And and everybody's fully aware of his his his life
and and and.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Where he ended up.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
But he told he came to me and we had
a conversation long before he passed, and he had said
to me that he got caught up in the painkillers,
and the painkillers ended up taking him somewhere else and
once he got out there, would you if you do you.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Know, if that's kind of what you would you say?
Speaker 6 (27:55):
That's true relatively, that's relatively truth. Yes, I knew Robber
as well. That's relatively truth. But my thing was this
that that took him out. Uh. I don't know what
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else led to it, but there was something he was
dealing with that he couldn't deal with. It's just like
an alcoholic. And I've only I can only say that
because I've gone through it and figured it out my
damn self. He doesn't. He doesn't realize what's bothering him
until he's done some work. And if you do enough
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work on yourself, you'll figure out things and that you'll
have people show you things and there's ways to learn
about what's going on with you. Do you think so
he probably needed to have somebody go through that with him,
And I have had someone do and it has made
a world a difference in my life. So yes, he
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had he needed somebody to go through that with him.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Do you think that the fan base, his fan base,
that was everybody in West Virginia who wanted him to
go to West Virginia? Do you think that ended up
becoming like too much pressure, too much pressure, too much
and create a downfall?
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Don't I don't think so, because see, here's what I
looked at like for me, if I choose to go
to a place, I choose to go there on my own.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
See, I don't think he did, and I don't think
he did that.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
I'm like going there just because you want me to.
Well see here's the other thing. Well, see i'd heard
stories about what was said to Kurt Warner and he
at the same time. They told not to even because
Robert was the back there, which I thought was byes
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because we had linebackers from Cleveland. But I was still
going there was from Cleveland. I'm from Cleveland. I'm playing
linebacker too, So what is that.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Well, see, I know, I know I played with Kurt
in the in the North South game, and he said
that he wasn't he once Robert had gone, he wasn't
going because what it looked like, it didn't.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
He didn't. He didn't feel like they you.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Know, because it took a little while be when they
put him in the eye before they put him in
the eye backfield. I wanted. I wanted WU to recruit
me so I could say no I did, and they never.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
They didn't.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
They didn't, they didn't, they didn't. I think they came
to the school, but they didn't. They didn't even talk
to me.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Wow, and and and so like for me, Yeah, there's
a there's a natural descent or hatred. They're built up already.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I was trying to please just
let me tell you no, please, just let me tell
you know and again and I go, which at that
time wasn't the Marshall w U thing wasn't.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
It wasn't a big deal. It was wv U. And
then Marshall's over here.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I ended up going to Marshall just because you know,
I didn't really have to Marshall.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Yeah, you got, you gotta go to Marshall because of
the coach. It was at Marshall. What is his damn name,
Sonny Randall. Oh, that's what you went there. That's why
you went there. Yes, yes, that's why you went there.
That's what I'm having. I'm not having Bringfirk remember names.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
You Welcome to my world. World.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
That's where Randy went to school at. That's where a
lot of folks went to school and they wanted they
wanted the ideas.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
And then you're talking about Bob, Like, now, Bob pruit
was my dB coach and doctor and.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Bob Pruitt, Yes, yes, that's my boy. That's my guy.
He got he gets in your and he gets in
coach needs too. And that's what I love about him.
That man there don't care. He he would be a
great linebacker coach.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
He was a great dB coach, Like I mean, he
was like like his approach to the game, it's it's
super serious and it's super funny and there's nothing in between.
Like it's always going to be like do this or
tap you on your helmet and on one side and
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he jumps.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
To the other side, you know, like he's just like
having fun.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
That's a perfect mixture.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
That perfect to me.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Him and Pete Carroll are probably two of the best
individual people that I have ever played for, and I
think I'm from both of them. I think I'm in
the NFL because of Coach Preuitt. I think my career
ends up becoming what I believe is is successful because
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because of that, because.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Of well, Pete Carroll. I'm gonna tell you what. I'm
gonna tell you what you got, same got your tree
ran through mind. Carol was in my tree too, he
was in WU two. Really I had Pete. No, I
had Pete Carroll when I was in Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yes, yes, that was early years.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Was that after that?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Was that? Was that after he left Minnesota? Or No,
this is before he went to Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Oh okay, maybe this is all before. Pete hadn't been
anywhere yet.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Oh I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Yeah, Stee, here's a funny budget. A lot of people
don't know I've got I've got all of fame coaches
underneath my tree, and it's that I've had been taught by.
And that's funny to me. That's because I'm sitting I'm
sitting there looking and going, yeah, well, I know how
he thinks. I know how he thinks. You know, he's
not gonna go for that. And no, he's not gonna
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say that. I've already been coached by him. I've been
taught by him already know and.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Doesn't that doesn't that reality of those type of coaches.
So I so I got I got Pete Carroll, I
got Willie Shaw, I got Tony Dungee.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
You know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
The best of the BA.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I mean, yeah, those people are like the best guys
in coaching, and I got the opportunity to play for them.
And I'm thinking, if I'm gonna give credit to anybody
for any amount of success that I had, I'm not.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I'm struggling until Pete comes.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Okay, Then Pete comes and then we go to bump
and run and he's telling me to do this, this, this,
and this, I do that that that, and all of
a sudden, I'm like, I'm I'm gonna watch I'm the
Pro Bowl, Like what happened here? How did this happen?
Speaker 6 (35:03):
That's Pete. Yes, there's Pete from across the street. That's
what we are something the kind of names right coaches.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
So well, I'm glad you said that because I'm going
to bring up didn't you? Did you have some nicknames
when you played for the Bills, Darryl?
Speaker 6 (35:22):
Yes, I had a bunch of.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
I've got to say this and you've got this is hilarious.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Did you have a cheering section at rich Stadium that
was called the Tally Whackers?
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Yep, hands to go back and forth.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Yes, yes, I love the name that was.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
So I got the name from. I got the name
from Jerry Trenton in West Virginia. I got it there
because he's said, every time I see you, you go
and you knocked out of somebody. So that's what he
started calling me. Why then it became a dolly.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Wally Walkers, so amazing.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
How come you didn't have a cheering section, Carl, I wasn't.
I wasn't that big.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Oh my gosh, how wasn't as big as Tally.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
I wouldn't that big at all. I was just having fun.
You gotta realize when we played football called it was
about having fun. It was about enjoying each other. It
was about enjoying the competition of beating the guy and
then turning around and saying I was my way, She
did know it and slid explode so much.
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Speaker 3 (38:24):
So, when your first Pro Bowl? All right, what year
was it? What was your first Pro Bowl? Okay, nineteen
ninety When you got there, what was the most interesting
takeaway when you started? Because you know, when my first one,
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when I got there, I was like, the first thing
I wanted to figure out was like, Okay, how good
am I compared to the rest of these people who
are supposedly the best players in the league that particular year.
I and I and I felt like when I when
I got done with it that I felt like I
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was I was no different than any of them. Like
I didn't see anybody like I thought Darryl Green was
special and I think that's great. Yeah, but yeah I
could see them and I can say, Okay, well, you
know he's a little bit more of that. I got
a little bit more of that o him, and you
know you started. My first my first Pro Bowl, I
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was it was a kind of a let me see
where I rank with all.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Of what everybody thinks are the best players? What?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
What was what was your what was your thought when
you first got there and you start looking around at
the at the players.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
I was.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Because okay, I had been the first alternate seven times
before not so and then see when you're the first
altin that nobody gets hurt. You don't go. You'll get
credit for it. That's why they changed that rule going
into the Hall of Fame, because I was thinking about it,
because I never because back in the day, you got
to remember outside linebackers, there were four of us on
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the field, but outside linebackers that was the position that
everybody was playing. So now you got the best athletes
on the field of trying to do the best things
for their team and in order to and when you're
considered in that group, and then you look around and
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you see, okay, everybody else in this group is getting
this X and Y and Z, but you're still getting B.
So now I'm having a fit because everybody else did.
I'm in the group with it's getting everything else, and
I'm still sitting back here, sick in class. I ain't
get a first class ticket. I'm a little upset. I'm
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a little upset because now, let's say this has been
ten years and I didn't get I didn't make all
proing to what I mean, didn't make the problem to
my eighth year in the league, seventh year in the league.
M yod No, it was about my eighth.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
Yeah, I think I was up there like that too.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
So I'm like, wait a minute, bus w to beat it,
and I was like, okay, but that's fine. As long
as I keep winning, I don't tear. And then I
got to the point where as long as I won,
I was content. I was content with beating everybody game
by game, week by week. And because I went through
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the two and fourteens, the four and twelves, the six
and eight in the two and fourteens because I went
through that. When I got to the other side, oh boy,
it wasn't no where in the world I was gonna
go back. I'm sorry. From once I came, I will
not go back. But here I am in life from
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whence I came. I went back. I went back in
the same house I grew up in and please get that. No,
I'm going out again.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
I want to get Darryl and Sterling sharp in person.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
On this show in the studio because your philosophies are yeah, yeah, yeah,
very well.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Yes yes he uh.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I had gone to this Hall of Fame induction, like
he he had invited me to go, so rab what
he does is like so I So after his induction,
me and my son went and we came home and
he calls me on Monday and says, bro, I'm gonna
be on the show. Like he just callsed me, said
he wants to be on the show. So he comes
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and he's in studio and man, he was, he he was.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
It was an amazing kind of a thing.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
We were the first show that he came on after
him being him coming back home, going heading home, he
stopped here to come on the show.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
And talk about his induction and the relevance of.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Even had his jacket all.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Yeah, yeah, he even had a jacket.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Jacket, which was pretty cool. He wouldn't let me wear.
Speaker 6 (43:17):
Daryl, No, no, no, no, no shoulders.
Speaker 5 (43:26):
We don't. And I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (43:30):
To get religious exactly.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
That would have been blasphemous. I get it.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
See, And I would have known not to ask, because
if I didn't earn one, I know, I can't wear
one like me.
Speaker 7 (43:44):
You like cold, said it was cold in the studio.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
Come on there, I was standing there. I was standing
there and shut it in my chatter nothing at all.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
I ain't you're right, You're right at least have you
got something?
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Oh well, I was just going to ask. I know.
Speaker 7 (44:08):
In the intro, Daryl, we talked about you being in
the four Super Bowls with the Bills.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
What was it like playing in that era? In four
Super Bowls?
Speaker 6 (44:17):
God, the most exciting thing that happened to me in
my entirety, other than my kids being born. That's it.
That was it. I mean, you got to think about it.
I'm out playing a freaking football game. Everybody in the
world is watching everybody because the world is at war.
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Right where at War. They got black Hawk helicopters up
on the top of the scoreboard, on the top of
the stadiums. Whitney, you se sis the national anthem?
Speaker 4 (44:51):
Nice?
Speaker 6 (44:51):
I mean, you tell me, what else where else would
you rather be than right here, right now? And trust me,
Martin's never spoke true words.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
I can't even I can't.
Speaker 6 (45:07):
I don't know. I don't even know. I mean, to
be honest with you, it was almost like I was
floating because here's the thing. I looked around. I've seen helicopters,
I've seen people with guns and the ladies things in
national anthem. And I get to go play football against
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my former teammates.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
Wow, I'm playing.
Speaker 6 (45:33):
To get Jeff Hart Styler and my Fox in a
super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (45:38):
That's crazy. You got three kids from West Virginia playing
the marandamn game. Think about that. How ironic is that?
And they talk about we didn't have any talent in
West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
That has not been a story. That should that, I
mean that should be a story.
Speaker 6 (45:56):
Yeah, But forget that they say that there's no talent there.
We're still in the Super Bowl, right, Wow, three kids
from the same damn school. Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Yeah, that that's that that needs to be That story
needs to be told. It needs to be told.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
And you know, and I'll add that just to throw
Marshall into the into the mix, you know, just not
just yeah, I just don't want it to be all
wv U. Marshall has had some very very notable successful players.
Speaker 5 (46:32):
In the NFL.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Yes, Hall of Famers all of that, and yes, where is.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Where is the celebration for where is?
Speaker 6 (46:46):
Here is none mine. We're all world. We don't need that,
we don't need that validation. We were We were our
own validation once we got there. That's just we were.
We were that little kid did they didn't have to
have it, didn't have his mommy walk in the street
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to walk him to school every day because he was
gonna get beat up. We walked to school by ourself.
We're our brothers and our sisters.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
Ye, that's me.
Speaker 6 (47:15):
So that's all today. We're we're that, We're that odd kid.
We're that kid did nobody but again, anybody wants but
nobody wanted to trust, nobody wanted to fight with.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
But again, but again, though Darryl, like.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
You build that individual confidence up, you have that strong
belief in yourself. No matter what anybody else is gonna
say or do, You're gonna have to.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
You're gonna have to. You're gonna have to make me.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
You're gonna have to do something to make me think
that I'm not what I think I am.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
That's it. My dad always used to tell me, son,
you can do anything you want to. You put your
mind to it. That you can't do. He said, Hey,
you think you want to do it, go do it.
I'm gonna sit here and watch you go do it.
We'll sit here. Rabi.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
You got Yeah, you had a good daddy.
Speaker 6 (48:09):
And yeah, I did. I had a damn good one.
Speaker 5 (48:12):
Yes, And and and I talked about my dad, you know.
And and.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
My dad missed one game from youth football to marshall
of my games no matter what I was, you know.
And and we and we had to have conversation about
the game the next morning. You know, he'd sit down
and tell me about not the good place, just the
bad place. When you have that kind of thing, you
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might hate it in the moment, but it's but it
is special.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
It's so valuable.
Speaker 7 (48:46):
Yeah, speaking of family, I'm speaking of family, Daryl. I'm
going to bring this up and if I'm wrong, just
just go along with it, Just pretend it's true, Okay, Okay, no, So,
so I don't know if people know that you are
the cousin of former New York Yankee Derek Jeter and
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your brother is John Tally and he also played for
the Mountaineers and professionally with the Browns. What's it like
coming from such like a an athletically talented family, like
I bet the reunions are awesome.
Speaker 4 (49:18):
You guys have all these people kind.
Speaker 6 (49:20):
Of I ain't have the monkey's up undern't said Tree?
Speaker 7 (49:31):
Yeah, so I'm sure you you you come in close
contact with Derek, are you guys closer?
Speaker 9 (49:36):
No?
Speaker 6 (49:36):
No, no, no, no, he's born from a he comes
from a different althlete my dad's side of the family. Okay,
he's the Jeter part. My grandmother's side. Uh. They actually
moved from Union, South Carolina out west, Okay, because that's
what my dad's originally from Union, South Carolina, and he
came to Cleveland, and they moved from Cleveland. He's staged
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things when everybody else went west. Okay, where is mom?
And my grandmother stayed here because they were living in Youngstown.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
Mm hmm. And You and John are place obviously, right,
You and John?
Speaker 6 (50:13):
Yeah, yeah, the one he's always been my brother. I
don't think he's changed one bit. The only thing he's
the only thing he's done is gotten a little bit
bigger and a little fatter.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
Happens to all of us, That.
Speaker 6 (50:27):
Happen all of us.
Speaker 5 (50:30):
We don't have it all. You don't have to happen
all of it.
Speaker 6 (50:32):
Okay, okay, because it ain't happening to me.
Speaker 5 (50:36):
That's good.
Speaker 6 (50:39):
You know the one that's gonna tell you know, you
don't happen all of us because I ain't including all.
Speaker 4 (50:46):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
All right, so we're we're we're almost out of time.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
But I want to ask this question, just just because
it just popped into my head. Who was the most
impactful coach to to provide you with the skill set
and the success that you had individually as a player.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
Who would you be? Who would be the coach that
you would give the most credit to?
Speaker 6 (51:15):
And why m I would have to be me wrestling
through back to two people, Okay, Very Tranquil who Bob Stemmens,
Gary Tranquil, who was my defensive coordinator one to call me?
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Why hm hmm? Him and Bob Simmons, who also went
to my high school and set all records there that
I broke. And then I came to he was coaching
at Toledo and I was at West Virginia and coach
nieland and coached me before brought him in because he
played for Coachneeland. He and Phil veel Piano at Bowling
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Green as outside linebackers, and he came to West Virginia
as the outside linebackers coach. And where I really honed
my skill was between Gary Trenquel and Bob State Bob Simmons.
Those are the two guys that were responsible for honing
my craft. The one that was responsible for phoning me mentally,
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this is the one that check was Walk Corey. He
was a former linebacker that played for the Kansas City Chiefs.
He was my defensive coordinator in Buffalo after I gotten
rid of three other defensive coordinators before Walk hooned in
and the way Walk spoke and talked to you. And
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then the funny part is I became friendly with Willy
Lanier from played with Willy. Walk Corey was the outside
linebacker on the team that lost his job to Buck
Buchanon when Buck Buchanty came to the Kansas City Chiefs,
and everybody knows what the rest of that is. That
one went like, so Walk bought me a live and
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he would sit there and joke with Cornelius and I
about different things in different ways that get things done,
and tell us, well, that guy Eric get can't do it.
We need to get a guy. We need to get
our number fifty six to be able to do with
their number fifty six dollars. We need to get our
number ninety seven to do with their number sixty six?
Does we need? So Walk he motivated Cornelius and II,
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and then he gave us the ability to change what
we were doing on the fly. So let's say, like,
if you're playing a defense and they motion one guy
one way, they mostly in or out. You could change
the defense or stay in the same thing. It's up
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to you. You make the decision on the field whether
you want to play that or play something different. Now
how many coaches give you a decision choose? And then
he had four linebackers that we could really interchange me
or it is shame and Ray Bentley and Scott Radisson.
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I mean, he just moved us around and we were
just like little and Meba just going all over the
place and really enjoyed playing for him. Because here's the thing,
he's a linebacker. He has the same mindset you have.
Think about that. Think about that when you got a linebacker,
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a guy that's played the position as your coach, and
he sees what you see on the field, and you
come off the field and you say, well, but what
about what we just ad He said, no, but you
got to do is get him there and he had
the answers right there right away. And that's what thought.
That's what he taught me. He taught me how to
be able to coach and make changes on the move
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and be good and know what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (55:09):
That was awesome.
Speaker 7 (55:11):
So so Darryl, like Carl said, we're about to run
out of time, but tell us what you're doing now
now you know these days, anything in particular that you
want to talk about that you're doing.
Speaker 6 (55:22):
Not yet, I don't want to couch.
Speaker 5 (55:25):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Do it.
Speaker 6 (55:28):
Do it.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
And and and I'll end with with to your point
about that coach that that impacts your career. Pete Carroll,
the interesting thing about him was, I'm I'm almost one
hundred percent. Sure he's never played defensive back. He definitely
has probably never played corner.
Speaker 6 (55:48):
No but pizza hippies.
Speaker 5 (55:49):
But but yeah, he really is. And and and then he.
Speaker 3 (55:59):
Used to tell us like all he wanted us to
do was to make plays. His whole thing was, Look,
you're gonna get beat. You're gonna get beat deep, that's
gonna happen. Yep, somebody's gonna catch the ball on you.
Speaker 5 (56:12):
That's that.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
That's gonna happen with everybody that you play with. But
what I need you to do and how you become
great is to make plays. And I had never no
one had ever freed me up to say, like, all
they want me to do is just make place. They're
not gonna yell at me because somebody beats me for
a touchdown. You you got Andre Reid out there, Like
(56:34):
how you gonna stop him all day?
Speaker 5 (56:36):
It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (56:37):
You got sterling sharp, You're not gonna keep him from
catching the ball.
Speaker 6 (56:41):
That's just like I told him. I said, that's just
like telling wil Chamberlain he can't make fifteen points in
a minute. Oh you know, yeah, you had to get
over that. Yeah, that's what God that. That's what. It
took me a while to understand that the DVS what through.
It was like, wait, man, man, see, I was just
(57:03):
I was just eating. I just wanted to beat the
guy up. All you did was make me want to
beat you. And that, yeah, I had myself and if
I couldn't catch you, I'd run you over the corneas
I knew we could catch you. Oh my gosh, we
(57:24):
we were. We were not nice to be. We would
we run you. We not you. We let you think
you're getting away.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
I experienced that. I can attest that. I w that
from the sideline, and I thought y'all was dirty. Just
in case you no, no, no no, the the show.
Speaker 6 (57:54):
The truth from the policeman police car. It was the
first time something went wrong, somebody did something stupid. One
of my guys, yeah, told him about it. That's like
we had a game, the Houston oiler game. We had
Steinfleld and them. We're just grabbing Bruce and Freddy by
the face mask. Uh. I came from sixty sixty yards away.
(58:20):
I told him to stop. They didn't stop. Right from
sixty yards away, I'm covering the running back going down.
In the end, Zoe I come sprinting full speed down
the middle of the hash. Everybody's looking at me running.
I get the things thankful and I get to wearing
his gut out coming from sixty yards away. Oh wow,
(58:45):
I told him, don't do that any that. They cut.
They cut. They cut Bruce in the grabb him about
the face mask, and it had Freddy by the face
mask swinging him around. I told him, oh no, And
Marv made his famous saying they lost Martin Park Kettle,
we lost miss the Universe in miss USA because they
kicked both Bruce missing me out of the gay for fighting.
(59:06):
Oh oh yeah, I ran from sixty yards. If I
told you gonna do that, they're gonna do something I
can't from sixty yards. It ain't seen me running on film.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
Yeah, that's that that that can't get any It was
like Forrest, go yeah, getting down there, get get your
Darryl run.
Speaker 6 (59:28):
So yeah, they looked at me like, yeah, we know
this was this was right here. It's just build a
little different. And I told things cycling them not to
do it, and they did it anyway, and.
Speaker 4 (59:40):
They paid the price.
Speaker 5 (59:42):
Yep, that's right. Well, my brother, the game.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
I'm sure that that that wasn't wasn't the only one
that you got kicked out up, I didn't like.
Speaker 6 (59:53):
Getting kicked out. That was the only one I got
kicked on it.
Speaker 5 (59:56):
Oh really, I'm shocked.
Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
I will shut it down from get I'm too valuable
to do that. That's one thing my coaches told me.
Too valuable to me to get kicked out of the game.
You can go up to that line, but you bet
not crossing. I'm not a little kid to get up
to the line touch it. And I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
I can see you are already like just reaching over
the line and jumping back and like, no, I didn't
really cross it.
Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
I came back really quick. I can see.
Speaker 6 (01:00:33):
Me.
Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Well, my brother, I do appreciate you coming.
Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
On man, and we we we will.
Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
We will be in touch with you again sometime.
Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
You guys have a all right, ladies and gentlemen, we
are gonna get out of here. But Lisa, that was
a fun show. Yes, I have to admit that was
what That was one of the funny shows.
Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
It keeps you on your ta for sure.
Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Hi, ladies and gentlemen, We'll be back again next week.
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Speaker 3 (00:54):
All right, Hello, ladies and gentlemen, This is Carly with
Let's Talk. And uh, Hollis Lewis is not in the building,
but my beautiful co host Lisa Odie's in the building.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Hello.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (01:04):
Lisa?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I am really good. I'm actually excited.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
We have a player, a former WU player than have
you introduced? I would love that who also played for
the Buffalo Bills, and I consider him a friend, and
I'll talk more about that friendship.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
You're taking half of my introduction, but that's okay.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
I'm gonna let you go ahead and take it. Go
ahead and take it all right.
Speaker 7 (01:27):
So, our honored guest tonight is a former, as Carl said,
professional football player. He was a linebacker in the NFL
for fourteen seasons during the nineteen eighties and nineties. He
played collegiate football for West Virginia University and was recognized
as an All American during his time there. He also
played professionally for the Buffalo Bills, Atlanta Falcons, and Minnesota Vikings.
(01:52):
I give Carl the SADA the NFL. There you go,
and played in four Super Bowls with the Bills.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
We'd like to work.
Speaker 7 (02:00):
Welcome to the podcast tonight, mister Darryl Tally. Welcome Darryl.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Well, thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Lately.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, this one is gonna be fun because I already
know you, and I know that there is no there
is no following any kind of a script with you,
So who knows what you'll say.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
So, but but but I would have got much better,
I will say, though.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I don't I well, let me make be the judge
of that after the show's over. So so let's let
me let me take you back and ask you a
question about WVU, your time with WVU, and what do
you see now with WVU compared to what you saw
(02:49):
it as being a player there, a great player there,
and what do you see now that you think makes
it different not as I don't know if you want
to say that this is the right, we're not as good,
or what do you think about the game of football
that is being played at WVU overall?
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Okay, let's see. Well, thank you guys for having me
first of all, being on Here's the thing. What I
see at WU right now. I see a program that
was that was in flux right now where we're trying
to go from one coach to another and one type
of player to another. So we've got seventy eight guys,
(03:32):
eighty guys we brought in that Rich didn't recruit from
high school. He's got a few high school guys in
and he's recruited. But basically this thing has been dope
through the portal. Well, you got seventy eight new guys
coming into a school, and that's just like everybody coming
in as a freshman, everybody coming in as rookies, because
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nobody has any prior knowledge of what his teams are,
what's to be expected, or anything like that. So that's
a huge difference for a coach. A coach has usually
got some sort of footing where he's had time to
build his program and get his thoughts across to his team,
how he wants to practice, how he wants the plays
(04:14):
to be ran. A coach has had a chance to
do that. Well, we really haven't had that much time.
We've had time for guys to learn the system, but
now in order for the system to become theirs in
dem on it. So that's just going to take time.
There's nothing else but time going to get that.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Is a w W fan base willing to be that
patient with the coach.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
Here's the thing, here's the thing. We got no choice
because where other choices, we we got one of our
own in the house. We've got somebody we feel and
we trust. We've got somebody who's played at that level,
who's played the way that we want to play football.
(05:00):
Everybody held accountable, So yeah, you've got a guy in
the house that can do the job. Now it's the
idea of getting him the just like you said, getting
a shift the proper ingredients to make a cake. We
got to go get him the ingredients for a Kike
or he's got to go do his own shopping because
they're not letting me do his shopping for it. I'm
(05:21):
not his baker.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
Yeah. Good analogy, and I think you're right. I think
the fan base does have to be patient.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Darryl.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
You got to give him a year. You got to
get him two years, three years to do that, because
you got to remember, you got young, seventeen year old
kids that you're bringing in that you're expecting to do
things with. And think about that. Think about you when
you were seventeen years old? How old screwy was your brand?
Where were you going?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
What do you mean, Daryl.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
Girls still in that stage. I don't know if you
ever left at adolescent.
Speaker 8 (05:56):
Well I just.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Went from thirteen to fourteen.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Okay, that's a little bit I would have said for him,
but I'll work with him.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Go ahead. Well, well, let me ask you this and this.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Look this is kind of more direct, and I'm curious
to see because you kind of sounded like you you
really trust in in in the.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Head coach in the process. Okay, I trust in the process.
Is the process?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Or do you like the coaches pick or the university's
pick of the coach.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
I like the university's pick as a coach number one,
because I feel I feel like I've got one of
my own in the house. It's been through the same
wars I've been through. This had to be down there
throwing up in the in the basement of the powers,
down into on the field, throwing up. I've seen that.
I don't have to wonder about that. I know that.
(06:56):
I know that's what he's been through. I don't have
to guess I was there seeing it. M nothing be
self experience. So that much, I know that much, I'm
not worried about. But what I'm worried about is giving
him a proper amount of time. Because here's the thing.
You grow wasn't built in a day, right, and you're
(07:16):
asking to turn a program around that had good players
in it, but a lot of guys left. And this
is a time nine times now, these times now you
if you don't like the place you can lead, there's
no repercussions for you leaving.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Now.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
There used to be repercussions for us.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And if you play good for you, it's all about money.
So I think that makes it hard to hard, hard
to grow a team with a seed with guys year
in and year out, because the better guy I'm leaving.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Yeah, the better guy's going to leave. So what I'm
thinking is Richie's got to get him a nucleus of guys.
He's got a crew guys this year, he may lose
a few, and he's got a recruited class next year.
Next year will give him two classes of recruits of
his guys. He went out and got. He hand picked
what he wanted. Okay, everybody else to know from the portal,
(08:14):
that's fine. Then he goes to the third year, the
third year coming out, I think rich should be ready
to go and he should be full with bare He
should be unfabold at that time because he should have
a roster full of his guys that now know exactly
what to do because he's brought him in from freshmen.
(08:35):
Now the juniors. Thinking about your your your growth from
your freshman year to your junior year. Would anybody know
you as a freshman if they seen you then and
then seeing you as a junior.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
You can say, man, you might want to take they
do a junior.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I know A.
Speaker 7 (09:03):
Yeah, so, uh, Darryl, I'm gonna I'm gonna switch lanes
and take you back in time a little bit to
East Cleveland where you attended Shaw High School.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I'm here, oh okay, okay.
Speaker 7 (09:16):
I read some some information about your time there that
during that time you played both full back and linebacker,
and it kind of pushed away some of your recruiting
schools because you never settled on either position, and so that.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
No playa man, you.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Didn't play both in high school.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
I was all, okay. My sophomore year, I played running
I tried to play running back myself.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Running back, okay, that's my bad. And linebacker no YEA
one year.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
I looked at the guy, Yeah, I got okay, okay,
I ran. I ran a trap and I had to
guys about two hundred and seventy pounds apiece me, and
I was that was that I got him off the ground.
I went back over to mister ballman, and I totally
(10:07):
if I ever asked you to play running back again,
kicked me in my ass. My expression, that's what I said.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Well, that explains the whole the whole the bottle there.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Right, never been back when the other sat off.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
That's what got me on the defensive side off. So yeah,
I experienced that, and I was like, I don't really
think I want to do this.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I'd rather hit you than you hit me.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Oh my gosh, yeah hit me.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
It's pretty this way. They made a sandwich out of me.
You can't remember when I was in school. I was
only thirty five pounds. Oh wow, Okay, these guys are
seventy Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, peace.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
So yeah, I'll strike fire and anybody. I'll strike fire
on anybody.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah, it don't matter.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Okay, well let me maybe let me let me see
if this part's correct. Maybe the Internet was lying to
me all day today. Uh did you did you actually
miss your last seven high school games with a broken ankle?
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yep?
Speaker 9 (11:06):
Okay, okay, di varsity games okay, my junior year, my senior.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Year, okay, So broke my ankle, yes, okay.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Senior year, broke my hand, broke your.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Hand okay, okay.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
So whenever those things, those injuries occurred, then w U
came knocking on your door and actively recruited you. You know,
what were your initial thoughts thinking about the school.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
The late response, I'm not sure if we want to
hear this, Aryl.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Was, I got to go to a lot of schools.
But what was interesting when I got to West Virginia
there were a lot of guys from my area there.
There were already a lot of guys from the Ohio
area there, Okay. And the other thing that attracted me
was it was eight the one right that's the girls,
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and I was like five. I mean it was like
it was four to four. I mean it was a
lot closer Syracuse. It was nine to one in West Virginia.
So I figured, I'm going with the odds and I
have more fun on my recruiting trip in West Virginia.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I bet you did.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I'm a guy that I think the odds in my favor,
I said, I'm not that guy who's not going to
bet on himself and trust always better on Darryl.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
And trust me, I've been around him him.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Darl I know what I'm working with it. I know
what I got, I know what I am, I know
how I am. I will not quit. Daryl's going. Darrel's
in this for the long long. If he decides to
do it, He's getting in it. He's getting involved, And
isn't it Isn't.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It interesting though, because I think when people think of
certain players, you know, they see them, they think that
they're you know, they evaluate them as good, great, whatever.
And but when you actually talk about your self confidence,
it seems like it's like, well, wait a minute, is
he cocky? And and I don't think like, I don't
(13:25):
think that like people understand like what like what confidence that.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
You have to have?
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Just no, I just know what I know.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Right, And and people and people can be uncomfortable with that,
you know.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
They Yes, I've had people trying to tell me what
I knew that I didn't know. I knew it to
be true. They're trying to tell me it's not. And
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, you got the wrong one.
And that's when they that's when they get the idea that, yeah,
he's stubborn, he's something different, he's a different human because
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he's duped a little different when it comes it up.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
And most of the most most great players, most players
who get to the next level, are different.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
They are different.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Oh I'll attest to that.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Yes, we are, we are.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
We're a little different. We're a little different.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Man.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Oh god, we don't. We're not wired the same way.
That's that's the way may have regular wiring, and that's.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
What motivates you for sure. So well let's go. Let's
go back in time. Not quite as far.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
This time, Daryl, Okay, but we'll go to nineteen seventy nine,
eighty two. Uh, you were part of the Mountaineer team.
You led the team I think in eighty one to
the Peach Bowl and the Gator Bowl in eighty two,
and you were one and one in those games, correct you.
I think you had a victory over Florida impeach and
then lost to Florida State Gator bawl. Right, m yeah,
(14:57):
Gator Bowl has always been tough for Mountaineers, has I
like both? Don't let him tell you such blasphemy. I
love Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Gator Bowl was a trip. Yeah, I mean the Peach Bowl,
Beach Bowl. We had we were we had something to prove. Yes,
we had been disrespect I felt disrespected. We were the
little lonely child from West Virginia. You were a little
chargle from West Virginia playing football. We had no business
(15:30):
out there playing with those big boys from Florida, those
boys in Florida. They were all Americans, all of these
great guys, and what are they gonna do? Play these
little lonely kids from West Virginia, Florida. We brought a
mud turtle to the game and a fight. Wow, a
fight and a resolve to the game that nobody had seen. Yeah,
they didn't think. They didn't think that we would come
(15:53):
at him that hard. They honestly didn't think we were
gonna come play. They thought they were gonna roll us over.
And then they got a big blood slap in the
face of reality. But the shot that had been heard
around the world was sent off the year before, and
that was Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
That's right in eighty right, yep, Yeah, you were part
of that victory. Yeah, that was huge. I remember it now.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Yeah, I was. I was a part of the I
was a part of the vicious beating we took too.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
I was part of the reason why it didn't become
once we went out there and we had that that
went out there, right, because you could beat fifty forty
two points and you could do nothing but stand there. Now,
remember I was a freshman, but did probably honest, when
(16:52):
you're looking across the street and you got Thomas Slot,
Kenny King, David Overstreet h and who was the other
and then you got reeb sorry and Jackson for the Guards.
Well they got an all pro offense over there, Yeah,
and they beat us by forty two points.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Woodshed trip, right, that was a wood ship.
Speaker 9 (17:19):
Yeah, And that was when you learned how football was
really to be played, really for me, because then we
got to go into the Penn State mm hm.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
And you're part of that and you got to take it.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
That was a part of what beating we took. Then.
I was part of the beating that we took from Pitt.
So those two national championship teams plus Oklahoma was enough
of a beating from me and scarring in my life
for me to have to come out and get some
revenge on some people.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
And you guys just and now, Jeff, how was that?
Jeff Hosteler was with you, right, was it?
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Jeff?
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (17:58):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
Yeah, here's even funnier party. The year before, we're playing
Penn State in Morgantown. I knocked a Blackledge out of
the game. Jeff comes in the game, wins the game
for Penn State. Next year, Jeff comes to West Virginia.
We tore we go to Oklahoma, Jeff's my quarterback? Then
(18:23):
did show ironic? We go to the Super Bowl, that
super quarterback, I'm playing against him.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yes, that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
That's crazy for sure.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
Now, so I'm looking at that and yes I'm going.
And I have an argument with my roommate Bruce about him.
I told him, I said, Bruce, you know you got
to get Jeff on the ground. You know you got
to get him on the ground. You got to get
him on the ground, because you know it be of
the strong. You got to get him down. And what
(18:55):
did he do? Bruce misses him in the back for
sight a safety. Had he's got the safety. We win
the game because they don't go down to sport a
touchdown before halftime.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
Oh gosh, okay, yeah, okay, that's rough.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Okay, Now here's the other part of that story. Y'ell
makes a play on third down. We still don't have
to go down and make that play. We still don't
have to do that because during the same drive, I
missed a tackle that I made. I missed in the backfield,
gobbing made across the line of scrimmage, and he made
the first down. So there's that.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Isn't it interesting how you can remember like the worst place.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
When you get you get to sit back. Now you've
got perspective on everything. You see where you streamed up.
You know exactly what you did wrong. Yeah, and if
you can go but I can do it again, would
you be able to do it right? I still don't
think so.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Yeah, I don't know. I truly I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Here's the thing. Fate is fake. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
And don't you think and don't you think too. It's
a it's a it's a balancing act too, because if
you don't have those, you are really gonna think that
you're something special, like because nobody's beat nobody's gonna beat
me deep until somebody beats me.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Deep until it.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
And then once it happens, you don't get to say
nobody's gonna beat me deep.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
That's right. And trust me, I understand that because I
used to be the guy sitting there. Tell you don't worry.
The fore BET's mine. I got the outcut. I got
that outcut, that's mine. They got out go to me,
I got that. You think everything's deep and ed?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Are you take care of the outside I.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Gotta get my ass out there, and you you don't
see it, and that's you think. Today's day, you don't
see outside linebackers that are able to get there and
cover that guy. And I'm like, wait a minute, this
is what I did, and I'm looking at it and
happens every day. But see somebody run that stupid route.
And I'm like, look, you need to play for stake.
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You do something different and you got to get somebody
under that route.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Let me ask you this to that point, the plays
that you and again this is all this all runs
into my head. The plays that you can see that
you watch and you see guys not make and you
think to yourself, man, why can't they not make that play?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
As you sit on your couch.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
We are on the couch. We're on the couch, watch it.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And I'm sure that it's happened to me that that
that place, that somebody beat me. But then but then
my justification to that is, see I even got a
back up there. Well, if that's you know, if that happened,
Andre Reid did that to me, Jerry Rice did that
to me, you throw out the big man.
Speaker 10 (22:00):
Yes, because you're all aware of that that's just like
I'm aware of Randy Boss looking at me after a
Russ Francis hits me my rookie year, and I look
up through.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
The air hole. Rand is going damn Randy's cross all
the time. So when everybody used to same on BV,
I used to say, damn, I've seen him already.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Oh wow.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
Oh, let me ask you this, yes, Darrell about it
seems like you when you started in nineteen seventy nine
with the Mountaineers, that was a bad year, and you
guys built a team. You brought in Jeff Hosteler, you
added some people that could make you better so that
you went to those Gator or the Gator Bolling eighty
two and the peach Ball in eighty one. Do you
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feel like in this day and time that your team
that you built and from seventy nine to eighty two
and was so successful with do you think that would
even be possible into day's world with the transfer portal
and ni L? I mean, do you do you feel
like that you would have stayed.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
We'd have broken Let's put it this way, we'd have
broke the n I L team. We'd have broke it.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Yeah, I agree, with that.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Yeah, diould have been like, uh, we can't paid that one.
We ain't paying. But then again, you know what, that
stuff still went on. To be honest with you, Okay,
you can't. You can't say that it didn't has been
going on since the attorney. This is the n I
l is just them bringing it to light. Course what
it is, just course, what it is. This is what
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he's going on. I ain't going through the shade on
nobody and no, no dust Yeah we both know. Well
am I am, I am I speaking on the turn.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
No you're not. No you're not.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
And we both know.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Yes, I know not because I got a dollar. I didn't.
I didn't get it, doll, I didn't get it. I
didn't get it a dollar.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
But way, but here's the thing. I didn't get a dollar.
I got one one guy gave me. So I can't
say that I didn't get one dollar. I got one
hell some money hand in the middle and got me one.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
See Marshall, right, and Marshall see and and and the
difference in Marshall than probably a lot of places we had.
You know, first we had Sonny Randa, who was a
former NFL player and all that kind of good stuff,
and he wasn't having that, like he wasn't going to
have us getting money from anybody.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
You know. Now the program absolutely he's going after that.
But yes, I.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Don't think any and and I might be wrong, and
you can corrack me when I finished here, but I
don't think coaches worried about it being wrong.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
I think they worried about how to do it.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
And I think because I've talked to a ton of
guys that I played in the locker room at the
Pro Left who talked about getting money and the way
they got it and how much they got, you know,
whether enough.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
For cars and all that kind of stuff. So this
isn't new.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
It's just it's the way social media is, the way
the TV news is. It's all that stuff now is
getting out and people are comfortable with it. If you
were getting paid, you were gonna be as private as
you could be with anybody who's not getting paid.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
But everybody who's getting paid is cool. We're cool.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Every everybody everybody's getting paid don't know about it. And
the problem was I wasn't getting paid. It was pretty
this way. I told myself how bad I was, and
he told me no, and I will stand on the
stock of Bibles with w I went to go Senia
and asked him and he told me, no, we don't
do things like that. The health and I and I
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and I watched, I watched a great running back that
needed help. They didn't get it. We didn't keep and
this guy would have probably I don't know, hmm. I
say that because I've watched him, played against him and
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seeing what kind of runner he was at the age
he was. I don't think luckily he got hurt and
he had some problems. But yeah, one kid, we because
he asked you, and then I would ask you and
he told me, no, we don't do things like that.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Were you there, and I can't remember if you told
me this before you were you were there with Robert Alexander.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Were you there?
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Yeah? I was there with that. I was there with him,
footing him all of.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Them, and and I and I know, I know we've
had this conversation together because I remember it because Robert
was my guy, Like he was the guy who was
talking to me in my ears, saying this is what
you got to do, you got to put the time
in and all of those kind of things. And I
have I have defended him on his time at wv U,
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because what he told me was that you know his
because he was the guy who told me, don't drink,
don't smoke.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Don't do anything right.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
And and everybody's fully aware of his his his life
and and and.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Where he ended up.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
But he told he came to me and we had
a conversation long before he passed, and he had said
to me that he got caught up in the painkillers,
and the painkillers ended up taking him somewhere else and
once he got out there, would you if you do you.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Know, if that's kind of what you would you say?
Speaker 6 (27:55):
That's true relatively, that's relatively truth. Yes, I knew Robber
as well. That's relatively truth. But my thing was this
that that took him out. Uh. I don't know what
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else led to it, but there was something he was
dealing with that he couldn't deal with. It's just like
an alcoholic. And I've only I can only say that
because I've gone through it and figured it out my
damn self. He doesn't. He doesn't realize what's bothering him
until he's done some work. And if you do enough
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work on yourself, you'll figure out things and that you'll
have people show you things and there's ways to learn
about what's going on with you. Do you think so
he probably needed to have somebody go through that with him,
And I have had someone do and it has made
a world a difference in my life. So yes, he
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had he needed somebody to go through that with him.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Do you think that the fan base, his fan base,
that was everybody in West Virginia who wanted him to
go to West Virginia? Do you think that ended up
becoming like too much pressure, too much pressure, too much
and create a downfall?
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Don't I don't think so, because see, here's what I
looked at like for me, if I choose to go
to a place, I choose to go there on my own.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
See, I don't think he did, and I don't think
he did that.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
I'm like going there just because you want me to.
Well see here's the other thing. Well, see i'd heard
stories about what was said to Kurt Warner and he
at the same time. They told not to even because
Robert was the back there, which I thought was byes
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because we had linebackers from Cleveland. But I was still
going there was from Cleveland. I'm from Cleveland. I'm playing
linebacker too, So what is that.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Well, see, I know, I know I played with Kurt
in the in the North South game, and he said
that he wasn't he once Robert had gone, he wasn't
going because what it looked like, it didn't.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
He didn't. He didn't feel like they you.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Know, because it took a little while be when they
put him in the eye before they put him in
the eye backfield. I wanted. I wanted WU to recruit
me so I could say no I did, and they never.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
They didn't.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
They didn't, they didn't, they didn't. I think they came
to the school, but they didn't. They didn't even talk
to me.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Wow, and and and so like for me, Yeah, there's
a there's a natural descent or hatred. They're built up already.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I was trying to please just
let me tell you no, please, just let me tell
you know and again and I go, which at that
time wasn't the Marshall w U thing wasn't.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
It wasn't a big deal. It was wv U. And
then Marshall's over here.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I ended up going to Marshall just because you know,
I didn't really have to Marshall.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Yeah, you got, you gotta go to Marshall because of
the coach. It was at Marshall. What is his damn name,
Sonny Randall. Oh, that's what you went there. That's why
you went there. Yes, yes, that's why you went there.
That's what I'm having. I'm not having Bringfirk remember names.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
You Welcome to my world. World.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
That's where Randy went to school at. That's where a
lot of folks went to school and they wanted they
wanted the ideas.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
And then you're talking about Bob, Like, now, Bob pruit
was my dB coach and doctor and.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Bob Pruitt, Yes, yes, that's my boy. That's my guy.
He got he gets in your and he gets in
coach needs too. And that's what I love about him.
That man there don't care. He he would be a
great linebacker coach.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
He was a great dB coach, Like I mean, he
was like like his approach to the game, it's it's
super serious and it's super funny and there's nothing in between.
Like it's always going to be like do this or
tap you on your helmet and on one side and
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he jumps.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
To the other side, you know, like he's just like
having fun.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
That's a perfect mixture.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
That perfect to me.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Him and Pete Carroll are probably two of the best
individual people that I have ever played for, and I
think I'm from both of them. I think I'm in
the NFL because of Coach Preuitt. I think my career
ends up becoming what I believe is is successful because
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because of that, because.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Of well, Pete Carroll. I'm gonna tell you what. I'm
gonna tell you what you got, same got your tree
ran through mind. Carol was in my tree too, he
was in WU two. Really I had Pete. No, I
had Pete Carroll when I was in Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yes, yes, that was early years.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Was that after that?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Was that? Was that after he left Minnesota? Or No,
this is before he went to Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Oh okay, maybe this is all before. Pete hadn't been
anywhere yet.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Oh I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Yeah, Stee, here's a funny budget. A lot of people
don't know I've got I've got all of fame coaches
underneath my tree, and it's that I've had been taught by.
And that's funny to me. That's because I'm sitting I'm
sitting there looking and going, yeah, well, I know how
he thinks. I know how he thinks. You know, he's
not gonna go for that. And no, he's not gonna
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say that. I've already been coached by him. I've been
taught by him already know and.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Doesn't that doesn't that reality of those type of coaches.
So I so I got I got Pete Carroll, I
got Willie Shaw, I got Tony Dungee.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
You know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
The best of the BA.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I mean, yeah, those people are like the best guys
in coaching, and I got the opportunity to play for them.
And I'm thinking, if I'm gonna give credit to anybody
for any amount of success that I had, I'm not.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I'm struggling until Pete comes.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Okay, Then Pete comes and then we go to bump
and run and he's telling me to do this, this, this,
and this, I do that that that, and all of
a sudden, I'm like, I'm I'm gonna watch I'm the
Pro Bowl, Like what happened here? How did this happen?
Speaker 6 (35:03):
That's Pete. Yes, there's Pete from across the street. That's
what we are something the kind of names right coaches.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
So well, I'm glad you said that because I'm going
to bring up didn't you? Did you have some nicknames
when you played for the Bills, Darryl?
Speaker 6 (35:22):
Yes, I had a bunch of.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
I've got to say this and you've got this is hilarious.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Did you have a cheering section at rich Stadium that
was called the Tally Whackers?
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Yep, hands to go back and forth.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Yes, yes, I love the name that was.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
So I got the name from. I got the name
from Jerry Trenton in West Virginia. I got it there
because he's said, every time I see you, you go
and you knocked out of somebody. So that's what he
started calling me. Why then it became a dolly.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Wally Walkers, so amazing.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
How come you didn't have a cheering section, Carl, I wasn't.
I wasn't that big.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Oh my gosh, how wasn't as big as Tally.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
I wouldn't that big at all. I was just having fun.
You gotta realize when we played football called it was
about having fun. It was about enjoying each other. It
was about enjoying the competition of beating the guy and
then turning around and saying I was my way, She
did know it and slid explode so much.
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Speaker 3 (38:24):
So, when your first Pro Bowl? All right, what year
was it? What was your first Pro Bowl? Okay, nineteen
ninety When you got there, what was the most interesting
takeaway when you started? Because you know, when my first one,
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when I got there, I was like, the first thing
I wanted to figure out was like, Okay, how good
am I compared to the rest of these people who
are supposedly the best players in the league that particular year.
I and I and I felt like when I when
I got done with it that I felt like I
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was I was no different than any of them. Like
I didn't see anybody like I thought Darryl Green was
special and I think that's great. Yeah, but yeah I
could see them and I can say, Okay, well, you
know he's a little bit more of that. I got
a little bit more of that o him, and you
know you started. My first my first Pro Bowl, I
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was it was a kind of a let me see
where I rank with all.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Of what everybody thinks are the best players? What?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
What was what was your what was your thought when
you first got there and you start looking around at
the at the players.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
I was.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Because okay, I had been the first alternate seven times
before not so and then see when you're the first
altin that nobody gets hurt. You don't go. You'll get
credit for it. That's why they changed that rule going
into the Hall of Fame, because I was thinking about it,
because I never because back in the day, you got
to remember outside linebackers, there were four of us on
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the field, but outside linebackers that was the position that
everybody was playing. So now you got the best athletes
on the field of trying to do the best things
for their team and in order to and when you're
considered in that group, and then you look around and
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you see, okay, everybody else in this group is getting
this X and Y and Z, but you're still getting B.
So now I'm having a fit because everybody else did.
I'm in the group with it's getting everything else, and
I'm still sitting back here, sick in class. I ain't
get a first class ticket. I'm a little upset. I'm
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a little upset because now, let's say this has been
ten years and I didn't get I didn't make all
proing to what I mean, didn't make the problem to
my eighth year in the league, seventh year in the league.
M yod No, it was about my eighth.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
Yeah, I think I was up there like that too.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
So I'm like, wait a minute, bus w to beat it,
and I was like, okay, but that's fine. As long
as I keep winning, I don't tear. And then I
got to the point where as long as I won,
I was content. I was content with beating everybody game
by game, week by week. And because I went through
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the two and fourteens, the four and twelves, the six
and eight in the two and fourteens because I went
through that. When I got to the other side, oh boy,
it wasn't no where in the world I was gonna
go back. I'm sorry. From once I came, I will
not go back. But here I am in life from
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whence I came. I went back. I went back in
the same house I grew up in and please get that. No,
I'm going out again.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
I want to get Darryl and Sterling sharp in person.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
On this show in the studio because your philosophies are yeah, yeah, yeah,
very well.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Yes yes he uh.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I had gone to this Hall of Fame induction, like
he he had invited me to go, so rab what
he does is like so I So after his induction,
me and my son went and we came home and
he calls me on Monday and says, bro, I'm gonna
be on the show. Like he just callsed me, said
he wants to be on the show. So he comes
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and he's in studio and man, he was, he he was.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
It was an amazing kind of a thing.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
We were the first show that he came on after
him being him coming back home, going heading home, he
stopped here to come on the show.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
And talk about his induction and the relevance of.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Even had his jacket all.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Yeah, yeah, he even had a jacket.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Jacket, which was pretty cool. He wouldn't let me wear.
Speaker 6 (43:17):
Daryl, No, no, no, no, no shoulders.
Speaker 5 (43:26):
We don't. And I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (43:30):
To get religious exactly.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
That would have been blasphemous. I get it.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
See, And I would have known not to ask, because
if I didn't earn one, I know, I can't wear
one like me.
Speaker 7 (43:44):
You like cold, said it was cold in the studio.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
Come on there, I was standing there. I was standing
there and shut it in my chatter nothing at all.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
I ain't you're right, You're right at least have you
got something?
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Oh well, I was just going to ask. I know.
Speaker 7 (44:08):
In the intro, Daryl, we talked about you being in
the four Super Bowls with the Bills.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
What was it like playing in that era? In four
Super Bowls?
Speaker 6 (44:17):
God, the most exciting thing that happened to me in
my entirety, other than my kids being born. That's it.
That was it. I mean, you got to think about it.
I'm out playing a freaking football game. Everybody in the
world is watching everybody because the world is at war.
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Right where at War. They got black Hawk helicopters up
on the top of the scoreboard, on the top of
the stadiums. Whitney, you se sis the national anthem?
Speaker 4 (44:51):
Nice?
Speaker 6 (44:51):
I mean, you tell me, what else where else would
you rather be than right here, right now? And trust me,
Martin's never spoke true words.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
I can't even I can't.
Speaker 6 (45:07):
I don't know. I don't even know. I mean, to
be honest with you, it was almost like I was
floating because here's the thing. I looked around. I've seen helicopters,
I've seen people with guns and the ladies things in
national anthem. And I get to go play football against
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my former teammates.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
Wow, I'm playing.
Speaker 6 (45:33):
To get Jeff Hart Styler and my Fox in a
super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (45:38):
That's crazy. You got three kids from West Virginia playing
the marandamn game. Think about that. How ironic is that?
And they talk about we didn't have any talent in
West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
That has not been a story. That should that, I
mean that should be a story.
Speaker 6 (45:56):
Yeah, But forget that they say that there's no talent there.
We're still in the Super Bowl, right, Wow, three kids
from the same damn school. Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Yeah, that that's that that needs to be That story
needs to be told. It needs to be told.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
And you know, and I'll add that just to throw
Marshall into the into the mix, you know, just not
just yeah, I just don't want it to be all
wv U. Marshall has had some very very notable successful players.
Speaker 5 (46:32):
In the NFL.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Yes, Hall of Famers all of that, and yes, where is.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Where is the celebration for where is?
Speaker 6 (46:46):
Here is none mine. We're all world. We don't need that,
we don't need that validation. We were We were our
own validation once we got there. That's just we were.
We were that little kid did they didn't have to
have it, didn't have his mommy walk in the street
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to walk him to school every day because he was
gonna get beat up. We walked to school by ourself.
We're our brothers and our sisters.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
Ye, that's me.
Speaker 6 (47:15):
So that's all today. We're we're that, We're that odd kid.
We're that kid did nobody but again, anybody wants but
nobody wanted to trust, nobody wanted to fight with.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
But again, but again, though Darryl, like.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
You build that individual confidence up, you have that strong
belief in yourself. No matter what anybody else is gonna
say or do, You're gonna have to.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
You're gonna have to. You're gonna have to make me.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
You're gonna have to do something to make me think
that I'm not what I think I am.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
That's it. My dad always used to tell me, son,
you can do anything you want to. You put your
mind to it. That you can't do. He said, Hey,
you think you want to do it, go do it.
I'm gonna sit here and watch you go do it.
We'll sit here. Rabi.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
You got Yeah, you had a good daddy.
Speaker 6 (48:09):
And yeah, I did. I had a damn good one.
Speaker 5 (48:12):
Yes, And and and I talked about my dad, you know.
And and.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
My dad missed one game from youth football to marshall
of my games no matter what I was, you know.
And and we and we had to have conversation about
the game the next morning. You know, he'd sit down
and tell me about not the good place, just the
bad place. When you have that kind of thing, you
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might hate it in the moment, but it's but it
is special.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
It's so valuable.
Speaker 7 (48:46):
Yeah, speaking of family, I'm speaking of family, Daryl. I'm
going to bring this up and if I'm wrong, just
just go along with it, Just pretend it's true, Okay, Okay, no, So,
so I don't know if people know that you are
the cousin of former New York Yankee Derek Jeter and
(49:07):
your brother is John Tally and he also played for
the Mountaineers and professionally with the Browns. What's it like
coming from such like a an athletically talented family, like
I bet the reunions are awesome.
Speaker 4 (49:18):
You guys have all these people kind.
Speaker 6 (49:20):
Of I ain't have the monkey's up undern't said Tree?
Speaker 7 (49:31):
Yeah, so I'm sure you you you come in close
contact with Derek, are you guys closer?
Speaker 9 (49:36):
No?
Speaker 6 (49:36):
No, no, no, no, he's born from a he comes
from a different althlete my dad's side of the family. Okay,
he's the Jeter part. My grandmother's side. Uh. They actually
moved from Union, South Carolina out west, Okay, because that's
what my dad's originally from Union, South Carolina, and he
came to Cleveland, and they moved from Cleveland. He's staged
(50:00):
things when everybody else went west. Okay, where is mom?
And my grandmother stayed here because they were living in Youngstown.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
Mm hmm. And You and John are place obviously, right,
You and John?
Speaker 6 (50:13):
Yeah, yeah, the one he's always been my brother. I
don't think he's changed one bit. The only thing he's
the only thing he's done is gotten a little bit
bigger and a little fatter.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
Happens to all of us, That.
Speaker 6 (50:27):
Happen all of us.
Speaker 5 (50:30):
We don't have it all. You don't have to happen
all of it.
Speaker 6 (50:32):
Okay, okay, because it ain't happening to me.
Speaker 5 (50:36):
That's good.
Speaker 6 (50:39):
You know the one that's gonna tell you know, you
don't happen all of us because I ain't including all.
Speaker 4 (50:46):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
All right, so we're we're we're almost out of time.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
But I want to ask this question, just just because
it just popped into my head. Who was the most
impactful coach to to provide you with the skill set
and the success that you had individually as a player.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
Who would you be? Who would be the coach that
you would give the most credit to?
Speaker 6 (51:15):
And why m I would have to be me wrestling
through back to two people, Okay, Very Tranquil who Bob Stemmens,
Gary Tranquil, who was my defensive coordinator one to call me?
(51:40):
Why hm hmm? Him and Bob Simmons, who also went
to my high school and set all records there that
I broke. And then I came to he was coaching
at Toledo and I was at West Virginia and coach
nieland and coached me before brought him in because he
played for Coachneeland. He and Phil veel Piano at Bowling
(52:01):
Green as outside linebackers, and he came to West Virginia
as the outside linebackers coach. And where I really honed
my skill was between Gary Trenquel and Bob State Bob Simmons.
Those are the two guys that were responsible for honing
my craft. The one that was responsible for phoning me mentally,
(52:27):
this is the one that check was Walk Corey. He
was a former linebacker that played for the Kansas City Chiefs.
He was my defensive coordinator in Buffalo after I gotten
rid of three other defensive coordinators before Walk hooned in
and the way Walk spoke and talked to you. And
(52:50):
then the funny part is I became friendly with Willy
Lanier from played with Willy. Walk Corey was the outside
linebacker on the team that lost his job to Buck
Buchanon when Buck Buchanty came to the Kansas City Chiefs,
and everybody knows what the rest of that is. That
one went like, so Walk bought me a live and
(53:15):
he would sit there and joke with Cornelius and I
about different things in different ways that get things done,
and tell us, well, that guy Eric get can't do it.
We need to get a guy. We need to get
our number fifty six to be able to do with
their number fifty six dollars. We need to get our
number ninety seven to do with their number sixty six?
Does we need? So Walk he motivated Cornelius and II,
(53:40):
and then he gave us the ability to change what
we were doing on the fly. So let's say, like,
if you're playing a defense and they motion one guy
one way, they mostly in or out. You could change
the defense or stay in the same thing. It's up
(54:00):
to you. You make the decision on the field whether
you want to play that or play something different. Now
how many coaches give you a decision choose? And then
he had four linebackers that we could really interchange me
or it is shame and Ray Bentley and Scott Radisson.
(54:23):
I mean, he just moved us around and we were
just like little and Meba just going all over the
place and really enjoyed playing for him. Because here's the thing,
he's a linebacker. He has the same mindset you have.
Think about that. Think about that when you got a linebacker,
(54:43):
a guy that's played the position as your coach, and
he sees what you see on the field, and you
come off the field and you say, well, but what
about what we just ad He said, no, but you
got to do is get him there and he had
the answers right there right away. And that's what thought.
That's what he taught me. He taught me how to
be able to coach and make changes on the move
(55:07):
and be good and know what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (55:09):
That was awesome.
Speaker 7 (55:11):
So so Darryl, like Carl said, we're about to run
out of time, but tell us what you're doing now
now you know these days, anything in particular that you
want to talk about that you're doing.
Speaker 6 (55:22):
Not yet, I don't want to couch.
Speaker 5 (55:25):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Do it.
Speaker 6 (55:28):
Do it.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
And and and I'll end with with to your point
about that coach that that impacts your career. Pete Carroll,
the interesting thing about him was, I'm I'm almost one
hundred percent. Sure he's never played defensive back. He definitely
has probably never played corner.
Speaker 6 (55:48):
No but pizza hippies.
Speaker 5 (55:49):
But but yeah, he really is. And and and then he.
Speaker 3 (55:59):
Used to tell us like all he wanted us to
do was to make plays. His whole thing was, Look,
you're gonna get beat. You're gonna get beat deep, that's
gonna happen. Yep, somebody's gonna catch the ball on you.
Speaker 5 (56:12):
That's that.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
That's gonna happen with everybody that you play with. But
what I need you to do and how you become
great is to make plays. And I had never no
one had ever freed me up to say, like, all
they want me to do is just make place. They're
not gonna yell at me because somebody beats me for
a touchdown. You you got Andre Reid out there, Like
(56:34):
how you gonna stop him all day?
Speaker 5 (56:36):
It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (56:37):
You got sterling sharp, You're not gonna keep him from
catching the ball.
Speaker 6 (56:41):
That's just like I told him. I said, that's just
like telling wil Chamberlain he can't make fifteen points in
a minute. Oh you know, yeah, you had to get
over that. Yeah, that's what God that. That's what. It
took me a while to understand that the DVS what through.
It was like, wait, man, man, see, I was just
(57:03):
I was just eating. I just wanted to beat the
guy up. All you did was make me want to
beat you. And that, yeah, I had myself and if
I couldn't catch you, I'd run you over the corneas
I knew we could catch you. Oh my gosh, we
(57:24):
we were. We were not nice to be. We would
we run you. We not you. We let you think
you're getting away.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
I experienced that. I can attest that. I w that
from the sideline, and I thought y'all was dirty. Just
in case you no, no, no no, the the show.
Speaker 6 (57:54):
The truth from the policeman police car. It was the
first time something went wrong, somebody did something stupid. One
of my guys, yeah, told him about it. That's like
we had a game, the Houston oiler game. We had
Steinfleld and them. We're just grabbing Bruce and Freddy by
the face mask. Uh. I came from sixty sixty yards away.
(58:20):
I told him to stop. They didn't stop. Right from
sixty yards away, I'm covering the running back going down.
In the end, Zoe I come sprinting full speed down
the middle of the hash. Everybody's looking at me running.
I get the things thankful and I get to wearing
his gut out coming from sixty yards away. Oh wow,
(58:45):
I told him, don't do that any that. They cut.
They cut. They cut Bruce in the grabb him about
the face mask, and it had Freddy by the face
mask swinging him around. I told him, oh no, And
Marv made his famous saying they lost Martin Park Kettle,
we lost miss the Universe in miss USA because they
kicked both Bruce missing me out of the gay for fighting.
(59:06):
Oh oh yeah, I ran from sixty yards. If I
told you gonna do that, they're gonna do something I
can't from sixty yards. It ain't seen me running on film.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
Yeah, that's that that that can't get any It was
like Forrest, go yeah, getting down there, get get your
Darryl run.
Speaker 6 (59:28):
So yeah, they looked at me like, yeah, we know
this was this was right here. It's just build a
little different. And I told things cycling them not to
do it, and they did it anyway, and.
Speaker 4 (59:40):
They paid the price.
Speaker 5 (59:42):
Yep, that's right. Well, my brother, the game.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
I'm sure that that that wasn't wasn't the only one
that you got kicked out up, I didn't like.
Speaker 6 (59:53):
Getting kicked out. That was the only one I got
kicked on it.
Speaker 5 (59:56):
Oh really, I'm shocked.
Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
I will shut it down from get I'm too valuable
to do that. That's one thing my coaches told me.
Too valuable to me to get kicked out of the game.
You can go up to that line, but you bet
not crossing. I'm not a little kid to get up
to the line touch it. And I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
I can see you are already like just reaching over
the line and jumping back and like, no, I didn't
really cross it.
Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
I came back really quick. I can see.
Speaker 6 (01:00:33):
Me.
Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Well, my brother, I do appreciate you coming.
Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
On man, and we we we will.
Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
We will be in touch with you again sometime.
Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
You guys have a all right, ladies and gentlemen, we
are gonna get out of here. But Lisa, that was
a fun show. Yes, I have to admit that was
what That was one of the funny shows.
Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
It keeps you on your ta for sure.
Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Hi, ladies and gentlemen, We'll be back again next week.
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