December 11, 2025 • 63 mins
On this episode of Let’s Talk, Carl Lee, Lisa Otey, and Hollis Lewis sit down with Coach Mark Snyder — former Marshall head coach, longtime Jim Tressel assistant, defensive coordinator at Ohio State, and UFL veteran — for one of the most insightful football conversations the show has hosted. Snyder breaks down how NIL and the transfer portal have transformed coaching into an NFL-style grind, why athlete development is slipping, and why multi-sport kids still make the best players. He shares rare behind-the-scenes stories about We Are Marshall, including working with Matthew McConaughey, his personal ties to Red Dawson, and memories of the program’s rebuild. The group dives into playoff controversies, SEC bias, high-school NIL, locker-room chemistry, recruiting red flags, and the future of bowl games — a wide-ranging, thoughtful conversation about where college football is headed and what still makes it special.
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
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Speaker 4 (00:43):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, This is Carle with Let's Talk.
I have in my I have in the building. Lisa
Odie Hello, and Hollis Lewis and uh, we got it.
We got a pretty really good guest today and Lisa
is going to give us a bio and introduce them
and we'll go from there.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
This bio may take a minute because they say this
guy's resume is pretty impressive.
Speaker 6 (01:06):
And is deserving.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
It's very deserving. So in the audience they need to
grab some popcorn and sit back and relax and enjoy.
So our guest tonight is a nineteen eighty eight graduate
of Marshall University. He played football for the Herd between
the years nineteen eighty five and nineteen eighty nineteen eighty
five and nineteen eighty eight as a safety, and in
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nineteen eighty seven he led the Southern Conference with ten
interceptions and was second on the team with one hundred
and twenty four tackles. I know Carl likes all of this.
His senior year at Marshall led the team to a
landmark come from behind when at Louisville and a birth
in Marshall's first ever national championship game in the Division
one Double A area. He also captured honorable mention All
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American honors and first team All Southern Conference honors. He
posted a The Herd posted a ten and five record overall,
and they were a national runner up to Northern Louisiana
nineteen eighty seven. Not long after graduation in ninety one,
he joined Jim Tressel as an outside linebacker coach at
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Youngstown State, where the Penguins won three NCUBLEA Division one
Double A national championships. Ninety six, he was a defensive
ends coach under Glenn Mason at Minnesota, and while there,
his defense twice set school records and averaged forty point
seven sacks during a three year span. Pretty impressive rate.
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That's pretty good, pretty impressive. Two thousand and one, he
reunited with coach Trestle at Ohio State as a defensive
coordinator and the Buckeyes posted a forty and eleven record.
He finally returned to Marshall on April fourteenth, two thousand
and five, and served five seasons as head coach and
helped the team transition from the MIC to Conference USA.
He also had the honor of coaching running back Ahmaud
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Bradshaw during his tenure there. He later finished his coaching
career with South Florida, Texas A and M Michigan State,
Florida State, and then eventually the USFL. So please welcome
to the podcast tonight, Coach Mark Snyder. Welcome, coach.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
Thank you guys. You know that that bio makes me
sound old.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Join the crowd, here goes.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Coach.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
One of the one of the interesting questions that I
have for you right out of the shoot is now,
as you look at as you look at the game,
you look at the coaching, you look at the players,
and the whole n I L stuff.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
When you look at it? What does it look like
to you?
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Well, before I get to that, let me say this.
I was a fan of Carl Lee. I went to
Marshall games. I've always wanted I've always wanted to say
that I was a quarterback, but I was in a
safety body. And then I had a Minnesota and I
got to watch thirty nine a little bit. Uh, just
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one of my idols, man, big time West Virginia. It
makes me very, very proud to be from that area.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
You know a lot of us don't get out. You know,
it's just real, and you were I can, I can
honestly say you were one of my idols that I
strive to be when I when I did move to
safety at Marshall. Now getting to the question, all's change,
you know, it's the world's changing, balls change, the n
C double as changing. It's you know, Carl, you probably
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know a little bit more. It's more NFL like man,
I mean probably about thirty years old, thirty two. I
think I had a chance to go to le Broncos
with Mike Shanahan and I had to make a decision
do I stay in college or do I go to
the NFL? Right? And I had just got to a
house state, just got back close to home, and decided
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to stay in college football because of the security you know,
they were, which is removing every two years in the NFL. Man,
you look at college football now, I mean, geez, it's
the same thing we've we've kind of become the NFL
a little bit. And now with the NLI and the portal,
you know, that was I was kind of transitioning out
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of college football when all that is, but I still got,
you know, a thousand friends coaching college ball, and the
work hours are like the NFL. Uh My buddy here
O'Dell Hagen's who is mister Florida State. I was driving
to Tallahatsee and it was May. It was March, March.
What is it? Thirty days in March? Right? And I said, del,
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I'm coming to Florida State, see my daughter. Let's go
fishing or whatever. And he's like, Snyde's I've worked thirty
one days. And I'm like, Dell, there's only thirty days
in March. And he said, no, I've worked thirty one
days with the portal, you know, and the recruiting. It
never stops. It's ongoing, and at some point in time
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we're gonna have to come up with a commissioner. This
is a snydersm now, thirty five years in the business.
Somebody's gonna and I think it's probably gonna be coach
saving to be honest with you, that would be the
best to regulate this a little bit. You know, let's
put some regulations on this.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
You know, the coaching moves all happening. My phone blows
up every single day. I need to start getting a
Finders seat. I mean I didn't need to get a
Finders It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
You know.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
Guys are moving and we got bowl games now. Teams
are opting out of bowl games. They can't finish the
season with their players. I talked to all of my
buddies yesterday at Arizona State, and uh, the one thing
that that their head coach has done is even if
you're going into the portal, if you want to finish
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the season with this team, because this is the twenty
five team, you can't finish the season and go to
the bowl game. Then going to the porter. To me,
that was a breath of fresh air to be honest
with that. To listen to Kurt at Indiana, you know,
you know, they they gave him an opportunity and he
stuck with it and and that's loyalty to me. So
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those those are kind of some of my thoughts. Guys, right,
wrong and different. I don't know, but I guess I'm
getting older. I'm still a little old fashioned, if you
know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (07:32):
And speaking of that coach, this is Hollis. You transitioned
from a collegiate sport. You like Lisa read it, at
the onset of the program, you had a ton of experience,
particularly on the defensive side, and also being a head
coach at the collegiate level. Recently we saw, you know,
the last couple of days Philip rivers after not playing
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for five years, and the NFL is back, and currently
you are a coach at the us Is it you
SFL or u f L.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
I believe you well to the UFL. Now, I was
in the USFL, then I went to the XFL and
they merged to make the UFL. It's kind of like
Senior's golf Tour. Yeah, it's kind of the seniors Tour, gotcha?
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Gotcha?
Speaker 8 (08:16):
So what so I guess my question is is that
what do you think needs to happen in order to
have a better development system outside of what we're currently
seeing at the collegiate level, because and particularly as it
relates to the quarterback position, because I mean my thought
was like, man, they can't find anybody else. He was
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the best choice after not playing for five years. So
what do you think needs to happen as far as
development is concerned.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
Man, that's that's a good question. That's probably above my
pay grade. I think that with the portal, and again
this is just my opinion, kids jumping from school to
school chasing money, right, it used to be chasing money.
When you get to the NFL, the kids are chasing
money now. And the development part of it, you know,
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kids aren't playing three sports anymore. Yeah, everybody's got everybody's
got a specialty coach. You know, we're gonna work on
and there's nothing wrong with that footwork drills, those kind
of things. But but but I I think again, this
is old school thinking, playing a lot of sports, doing
a lot of different movements. You know, I'm my specialties
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linebacker and my best linebackers believing or not, we're swimmers.
Can you believe that hockey players and swimmers were my
all pro guys I coached? Wow? Yeah, yeah, that's real.
You know, they work on it. You know this, and
they're working on that, and you know, and all those
are important. But I just think we're losing focus of
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being an athlete right, developing the total body. And I'm
sure it goes into quarterback play as well. Kids aren't
getting developed anymore. We're jumping from school to school getting
now they are getting different systems. I think that probably helps,
but you know, from a knowledge standpoint, but I don't
know that people are getting developed like they used to
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get developed. And it's showing. You could see it in
the NFL a little bit. I've got a bunch of
buddies in the NFL and I've never coached in the NFL,
and they're like snids. You'd be shocked. Shocked.
Speaker 8 (10:26):
Yeah, And and like I was a former collegiate quarterback.
And one thing I've noticed just even watching the NFL,
and you probably can appreciate this playing safeties. Quarterbacks don't
throw the long ball as well as they used to,
and even raile receivers they seem to have trouble tracking
the ball, And I think that comes from what you
just said as far as just maybe not being that athlete,
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not just just playing sports and and and being too
focused on trying to be technically right instead of just
being athletically loose and fluid.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
H And I think a little bit of the offenses too.
If you look around the country, you know everybody's spreading
it out, and you know they're they're spread the ball
across the field, but not down the field as much.
So again, I mean, if if and again I'm talking
from not a lot of knowledge, but if that would
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be an issue with my team, my butt would be
practicing D balls every day because I'm getting a ton
of the other stuff every day in practice, right, But
if I'm a kid, a player, or a quarterback, I'm
going to work on those skills. And I think we've lost.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Some of that and and two and to Hollis's point,
and and kind of even where really where you went
on that. To me, technique is is the most critical piece.
You could be good or you could be average, but
when you learn technique and how to do it, that
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ends up that can make you so much better. And
so to the point of going from program to program, system,
the system.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
It's going to be.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Very hard to pick up a system if you're if
you're jumping ship every every other year, going and learning
something with whether it be a new coach and new coordinator,
we're going to do a new system. To me, I
just think that is that is detrimental to the guy
who could do a system. And then Hollis comes in
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and puts in another system, and all of a sudden,
my play doesn't show up anymore.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
Like I agree with Carl, that's why you're all pro.
That's exactly what I'm serious. Please don't tell you that,
all right, I go around and and even into the
coach and then I'm not banging on the coaching at all.
But they've come up and you've got some younger coaches,
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and and and it it bother. I don't hear coaching,
you know, catch the ball? Well, hell, I mean teach
them how to catch the ball right, get in a tackle,
make make the tackle. What you're not coaching the guy,
teach the guy how to make the tackle. I hear that.
I hear that a lot coach?
Speaker 6 (13:14):
You you you you you are just thinking me up.
I mean, because it's crazy to me.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
For somebody to say, you got to make that tackle,
and you haven't really actually worked on me making an
angle tackle, or you haven't helped me try to make
a straight on tackle. There's how do how do I
play the ball?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
You know?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Like I mean, all of those kind of things, I
think we've lost. And I think that also because we've
lost it, it's created a situation with our young players
not being able to utilize all of their skill set.
And when you don't, for me, footwork, basketball was the
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best thing for me with footwork because people don't really
guys don't go out and do a whole lot of
footwork outside and working out and saying I'm doing my footwork.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
But in basketball it's natural.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Right, So if you don't play basketball because you you're
because football doesn't end, you're gonna lose that piece. You
don't have to start, You don't have to be a starter,
you don't have to be anything. But just being able
to be out there working helps you, right, And I
think I think that I think that that's gone now.
I don't think parents realize that. I don't think coaches
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care about it anymore so, and so kids to me
actually just aren't even.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Aware of that.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Well, I'll tell you. I tell you guys, because I'm
out right now, and I sit here on Saturdays. I
don't miss it on Sundays. I don't miss it on Tuesdays.
But Saturdays, I sit here and I scream at the
TV and I'm goinging, I'm getting back in. I'm gonna
get back in this year because I know I can
help somebody somewhere with what we're talking about. And I
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talked to some of my buddies that are out and are like,
because I felt like I've put years back on my life.
You know, I've been out for two years now, and
I'm gonna get back in because I can help somebody
I know I can't. And they're like, it' nice. You
need to get back in, Okay.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
You know.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Now again with with the way college ball is now,
talking about college NFL, I talked to a guy the
other day that they had we have nine full time
assistant coaches in college football. Every assistant coach had an
analyst who's allowed to coach on the field. Now, right,
you don't have to you don't have to stay in
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the office and stay away from practice. All nine people
have analyst. So now you've got two coaches. Then you
get they had fourth position that had gas graduate assistant coaches.
Now you've got three coaches on top of the support
staff that each individual coach had to get the film ready,
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you know, do the visio, do the all the meeting stuff.
It's amazing to me. And I'm sitting there going wow,
is there too many too many hands in the in
the pot? Could you imagine sitting in a staff room
with forty seven people?
Speaker 6 (16:19):
Oh my gosh, no, I can't even. I can't even.
I can't even imagine that, And you can't.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
It's not possible, is it that me and Hollis and
Lisa can all see something every time the same exact.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Way, right right. I'm with you. I'm with you. So
I've come to the there's a few of my buddies
that are doing it and their back in bile. They're
getting their fixed, their helping kids, and they're helping the stabs.
To have somebody old enough to stand up and go,
you know what, this is the way he wants it.
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Everybody else, be quiet, just the way we're gonna do it. Now,
let's coach it, you know. And and when I do
get back in That's where I'm gonna bring to the table.
I'm going to be that guy that's been a head coach,
that's been a coordinator, It's been at the highest level
in college athletics. You know, I know what the top
of the mountain looks like. And then help maybe control
that forty people, you know, in a staff room. I
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couldn't imagine having a staff room that big to hold
that many people. Wow, those are my thoughts, guys. I
mean not that I know what the heck I'm talking about,
but there's something that does definitely need to be fixed
in college football for sure.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Speaking of fixing things in college football, you open the
door for me, coach.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
This is Lisa.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
So we know every year when the college football playoffs
roll around, there's going to be some type of controversy.
You know, there are going to be teams that are in,
teams that are out, and some people are going to
be happy and some not so happy. You know, obviously,
if you want to make everybody happy in college college athletics,
sell ice cream, don't coach, right, you know that. So
this year, the main controversy for twenty twenty centered on
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the selection committee's decision they snub Notre Dame basically for
Miami despite ranking the Irish ahead of the Hurricanes for weeks. Right,
So you've got that going on, and then when you
look at Alabama's inclusion, you know they had an early
season loss to FSU that was kind of overlooked, whereas
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Notre Dame's lost to Miami wasn't. What is your opinion
on the way that and I know that, you know,
like I said, no one's the whole crowd can never
be happy. But the selection process in general, what is
your thoughts about how they do that in this current
college football playoff system?
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Wow, that's that's a rough one. I first, I would say,
I'm glad I'm not on the committee exactly. You know,
I worked for Mark d'antone and work with Mark D'Antonio
at Ohio State. He's on the selection I would not
want to be in that. No, that's a rough one.
You know, do you do you leave a JMU out
so you can take a Notre Dame and make it
all about money in TV exposure and the things that
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run the country, or do you let like a James
Madison in right?
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
That could maybe be a Sundarella kind of like basketball.
I don't have the answer to that. I guess every
year you'd have to change how many teams you'll let
in at least I really don't.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Have the answer to It's kind of a rhetorical question
for sure, but I just wanted your opinion on it.
I mean, you know, And so an expansion of the
playoff maybe an answer, like you.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
Just said, maybe maybe maybe if you're gonna you know,
if you want your cake and eat it too. And
when I say that, I'm talking about like a brand
Notre Dame money, maybe exposure, and you want to let
the James Madison in. Who's earned it? Who deserves it? Sure,
based on the rules that's been put out, maybe maybe
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expanding it is the answer.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Yeah. My my concern with how this like the.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Like the bowl games used to be like something that
was exciting and you you kind of paid attention to
who whoo who got in the bowl, like you wanted
your team to get into the bowl, right and whatever
that bowl is? And now you you you you got
a little bit of playoff situation kind of going why
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can't it? Is there a possibility of just going to
a straight playoffs at each level and you take your
top how many ever teams and just play.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
There's something to that too. I mean that there's so
much tradition in the bowl games. They've been around just
about as long as football has, you know, and the
pageantry and the excitement and all those things that we
all come to grow and love are kind of going
to the wayside. I mean, how many teams do we have?
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Doubt?
Speaker 7 (21:01):
You know, you don't hear of that much. I think
we had six or seven teams, not even.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Gonna go to think it was ten, yeah, ten ten.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Coaching changes and you know, we got the portals, so
we're not getting an extra practice with our young people
because they might not be on our team anyway. You know,
it's kind of lost its luster a little bit, which
is sad because what a great experience for young people
bowl games are. They're incredible. Most incredible experience I've had
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in coaching is those Bowl games. And the better your record,
the better the bowl games, the better the bowl game,
the better the the prizes and the gifts you got
when you got off the plane, and uh, just the
pageantry of it all.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
So coach, you've actually had it from both angles. So
You've been to bowl games as a coach, and you
also went to the playoffs at the one double a
what used to be the one double a FCS level
as a player and a coach. So comparing it to like,
how like what was the experience like on on on
the playoff in in the.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Bowl and we well, the playoffs was exciting. It was Wow,
that's a rough one. I enjoyed the one double eight
days of the bowl games because you you win and
you keep playing. Yeah, you know, the Bowl game was
more development of young people, the younger you know, your
team had a lot of scrimmages with the young players.
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You got to mostly go to a warm destination. Yeah
that in the one double wait days, I mean, g
we was in Montana, we were, we was all over
the place.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
I just remember watching like because you coasted not only
played at Marshall, but you coastedt young toown States where
you guys had just one of the most phenomenal runs
that there was. I think you went won three straight championships,
went to four straight FCS championship games. So I remember
just watching the intensity again be cold weather, hot weather,
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but just the intensity of those games. So what was
the experience like and again, a lot of those games
you coached the young Town stayed with Jim Trussel. You
were playing against your former team Marshall.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
So what that.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Was crazy? The first year, the first year at Youngstown,
we played Mama Mater Marshall, and the seniors on that
team were freshman when I was playing.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Yeah, And my guy kind of what was his name, Brettnstler,
brad Nessler, We was at the banquet and he said,
Michael Payton drops back to past. Oh no, it's intercepted
by Mark Snyder.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Michael and I had.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
To I split underneath my table, you know. Uh So
a lot of those guys on that team were freshmen
when I played, So it was pretty It was pretty cool.
And I'll tell you guys this, this is a story
I have never You guys will appreciate this. I I
haven't shared this much, but when the Jones was over,
we played Marshall in ninety three, I believe, and pregame.
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I'm standing at midfield with Jim Donnan and I'm what
thirty twenty eight years old, twenty nine years old, and
he put his arm around me, and the fans were
starting to fill into the stadium and he said, I
want you to look around here, son, someday this may
all be yours.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Wow, that's great.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
Crazy, And it was, Yeah, so that's crazy.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
Going from that, and then, like I said, playing against
Marshall and everything like that in those championship games and
that rivalry that was Youngtown State and Marshall back in
the days. And then transitioning to be the head coach
at your alma mater, the school you grew up, you know,
watching it. How was that coaching in Huntington?
Speaker 7 (24:53):
It was cool. It was really good. It was a
great experience, you know. Jim Trussell asked me because it
was kind of you know, I had nobody to really
uh ask because when I got hired. Remember the time
that I got hired. I got hired after spring ball.
There was one spring practice left. Yeah, yeah, and I'm
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I'm you know, trust is like you sure you want
to do this, Sure you want to do this? You
know the timings late. You got one spring practice left
to meet your team or even see them. Uh, you know,
you got to hire staff. And at the time I
was pretty hot. I mean I had a lot of
job offers. To be honest with you, and we were
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we were in Texas Week.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
In spring ball, we always had like a Michigan Week
at Texas Week, whoever the big teams were. We were
in Texas Week, and uh, he asked me one last time,
he said, sure, you want to do this, and I
said I do. And uh, so I called down. I said, y'all,
don't have practice. I'm driving down from Columbus. I got
this see one practice, a shells practice, and then uh,
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the spring game and I was out in the parking
lot the whole spring game, you know, Glad Hannon and
some babies and all that kind of stuff in my team,
you know. So it was a bit of a challenge
for a year and a half, it was. It was
a bit of a challenge getting the people in there.
I wanted, you know, when I when I was hired,
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I was giving some instruction, some direction as to what
they wanted done. And I agreed with it that that
fit into my philosophy. So we did that, and uh,
it was good. It was really good. I mean, how
many people can say they coached was the head coach
that they're on my minor not very many.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yes, that's awesome, Yeah, that that's that's that's pretty special.
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go way off the chart
here for a second. And and I don't know why,
but this as as you were talking, this popped into
my head. I'm gonna go. I can't remember being at
Marshall for you know, pretty much. I mean, I was
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there for my four years, and I knew of the
plane crash. I knew of it, but it did not,
it did not really, I don't know, grab me to
the degree of when I went to go see the movie,
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I'm wondering, did you have any idea, any concept, or
any any anything about that particular situation at Marshall that
would make you say, Hey, I'm you know, I'm proud
to because, like now, my proudest moment about being at
Marshall is that I was part of the rebuild, right,
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you know, and while we didn't win games, we were
playing and if we weren't playing, I mean, because the
concept really was to get rid of the program period.
So the fact of just being able to be out
there representing the school that to me was a great thing.
As looking back at it, and I was wondering, like,
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at that point in time, how did you how do
you how did it make you feel? Did you see
the movie? How did that make you feel? And you know,
and does that draw you into making Marshall one of
the more special places that you've ever coached.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Well, I don't know how long this show is, but
I'll tell you this because you just struck a bunch
of nerves with me. When I kid. You know, my
family's from Huntington. So when I was a kid when
a plane crash, I remember my dad taking me and
my brother over there. And I was little. It was
nineteen seventy, so I was a little, but I kind
of remember that. And then I would say this, Carl,
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if they didn't keep playing football, right, then I wouldn't
have got a chance to see Carl Lee play, which
inspired me and probably other people right to to do
what we've done, if that makes sense. And then my
senior year, I actually went to school with Red Dawff's daughter, right,
and Red didn't come around much, and me and my
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college roomate Tony Peterson become friends with him. You know,
Red actually used to give us beer. I probably shouldn't
say that. We would go to Red's house and we
were playing Weaver State at Fairfield right, and the starters
got pulled out of the game before we went and
played Appy State in the semi finals, and so we
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Marshall knew that there would be no more home games
at Fairfield the rest of that year because we were
getting beat Weaver. Then we go play Appy, then we
go play Northeast Louisiana. So in the fourth quarter, all
the starters come out. We talked Red into coming to
the game. We talked Lee Moon into getting in. The
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sideline passed and they were doing the wave Carl around
Fairfield a way right. I don't know. I know when
I played there, and I never saw.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
That we didn't have anything to do the way for.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
And I remember looking at Red and he was crying. Right.
So then when I came back to Marshall, Uh, one
of my my things was I wanted new turf. That
was one of my I don't want to say the bands,
but I said, I want new turf. And we hired
Red to put the put the turf in his construction company. Boom.
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Then here comes the movie and Uh, I become really
close with Red, so I got guys, I got to
hang out with McConaughey.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
I still talk to McConaughey, that was such a special time.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Two of my daughters are in the movie. Oh yeah,
I hung out with McConaughey. I hung out with with McGee.
I could write a book on a bunch of stuff.
I mean, I hung out with Matthew Proud believe. We
lifted together. We ran together at lunch. I let him
call plays at practice. I had him in the locker
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room before the U c F game. I probably shouldn't
tell this story. I let him talk to the team.
They flew in. He messed with McGee, the director, and
McGee was scared to death to fly and Matthew told
him they were going down, you know, and he had
a fit, I guess, and they had to put him
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to sleep for the rest of the flight. They met
us on sixty four, a route sixty four. Matthew jumped
up on the plane. He was going to film Pools
Gold with Godie Hans's daughter. He had all his facial
hair and I'm like, matt what, what what's all over
your faces? Like I go to Australia after this game,
start filming this movie in fools Gold. So anyway, I
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let him in the locker room and at the end
of his talk before we took the field, he said, uh,
we are the hell he was talking about none of
my players, and I went Marshall, Marshall and I said,
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I said, Matthew, do it again. And then he did
it again, and a couple of players said it, and
then he did it again. And then at the end
it was like pandemonium. Everybody was saying it, you know, and.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Pretty cool stories, you guys were the rebirth of we
Are Marshall chant then basically, yeah, tell that.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
I hadn't heard that for a long Yeah long.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
I mean, that's that's what they do now. I mean,
that's our cheer pretty much.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
And I know, I know. But in the locker room
he did that to the kids and not one kid.
What the hell he was? Oh my gosh, it was
It was kind of it was a little embarrassing, to
be honest with you.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
What a great story.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Yeah, there's some there's some really really cool stories. But yeah,
we still we still exchanged Christmas cards and the whole deal.
And getting back to Red, so his bodyguard who just
passed away him been read became very very very very
good friends him and Big John from Zachary Louisiana became
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very good friends, and the four of us spend a
lot of time together over those four or five months.
That's a long answers, Carl to your to your question,
I'm very every time I see we are Marshall last story.
I got one more story for you. We're in Atlanta
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with my daughter's her piece right, her piece in the movie,
and McGee, the director knew I had the headset on right.
So we're behind the wall. He says, action, and they
turn off the TV and pan down the bar and
there's my daughter and she shakes her head, puts her
purse on her shoulder, and walks out the door. That's
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her scene now. And mcg goes, who knows I got
the headset on? Guys, takes the headset off and walks
around the corner into the diner and he sits down
next to my daughter and he goes, no, Chelsea, I
need you to pretend like your dad just lost a
football game. You ought to be good at that by now.
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Al mcg came the headset and said.
Speaker 9 (34:29):
ROA, oh wow, oh yeah, yeah, that's a.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Good one, hey, coach. We got to take a break,
but if you want to stay with us. We're more
than welcome. We probably got about maybe another twenty minutes
after we come out of the break, if.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
It's up to you.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
I'm good, guys. I love talking to you. I love
talking to people at home.
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Okay, sounds good. Well we're gonna take a quick break
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Now back into the conversation.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
All right, we're back and go to you. You're still
here with us, yes, sir?
Speaker 4 (35:57):
All right, So I'm wondering you. I think you've kind
of flirted around with, uh something coming up You're getting
back into coaching. Is that something that you could give
us a little bit more on or you or would
you rather keep it to yourself?
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Yeah, we'll just keep We'll just keeps okay, Okay, Uh,
there's some things in the hopper here and we'll see
how how things go.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Okay, I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna ask this a just
a simple kind of question. I'm going to go back
kind of to almost to like how we kind of
opened the show a little bit.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
In high school in aile.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Is happening here in West Virginia, Okay, And and and
and it just it just got started. And and I've
I've actually already received like a call to.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
To donate.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Money to do that, and I and me personally, I'm
not interested in that for the simple fact that I
played had I had to wait till I got to
the NFL to get a dollar. And I just don't.
I just don't buy into the whole nil system. And
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I get I get to college making money, but I
think that there's a there's a systematical way that they
could do that than just throwing all these millions, millions
of dollars away and now here we are in high school.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
I just think it's terrible. So where where are you?
Where are you with with all of that?
Speaker 7 (37:41):
I struggle with that big time. I think that young
people are young people for a reason. I mean, I
truly believe that your brain, a young man's brain is
not fully developed to about twenty four to twenty five,
twenty six years old, where they're a grown man. They
look like grown men at nineteen twenty twenty one, but
they're I couldn't imagine fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year old kids
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getting out on money. I just too many people, too many,
too many people would get involved, you know, handlers, and
you know he next thing we know, high school kids
are going to start having agents.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
You know, I think they do probably do.
Speaker 7 (38:22):
Wow. Wow. I just think that's I think that's way
too young. Uh uh. You know, in this society, we
got to learn to earn things right and and like
you said, Carl, I mean you got your first dollar
when you got to the NFL. I agree with you.
I think college kids should get something. There's no doubt,
no doubt about it. I was I was at an
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m with Manziel. I mean that school made a lot
of money off Johnny, they did and other people. Not
just right, but but to the point of where it's
gotten today going back to college. That's why I think
we need a coach saving or somebody of that staff
to just put some regulations in place, funneling it down
to the high school level. What's going to end up
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happening is colleges are going to start helping that and
now that kid's got to come to that college, right.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
I didn't think that way.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
Come on, every you know, everybody's looking for a way
to get an edge now, and especially in college football.
You know it's it's in allies is legal now, it's
been going on. It's just legal. But it will funnel
down to the high school you know, even even the
herschel Walkers of the world. And because I guess his
story is out there, so I can I can use
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him as an example. Eric Dickerson. You know there's there's
stories there that that was happening in their senior year
coming out. Could you imagine a sophomore or a junior,
how's the high school coach even going to coach? That's
just beyond me.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Yeah, I mean that's there's I mean, that's a I mean,
that's gonna be a huge challenge because now not only
are you trying to figure out your system, what do
you want to do, what's what's your practice schedule? Who's
injured bypassing all of those kind of things, it's how
am I gonna get this money?
Speaker 6 (40:17):
Where am I going to get this money from to
pay my quarterback?
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 9 (40:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
And you've got and and and it's really a it's
it's a forced situation to where you have to have
these particular people attached to your school mm hmm in
order for you to to be successful. You're not because
you're just not gonna be successful if you don't have
ni o money to pay people because they're they're gonna lead,
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kids are gonna lead.
Speaker 7 (40:45):
Mm hmmm, mm hmmm. And the people that will win
will be the people that can can still build a team,
you know, t e a m with all that going on,
just in the playoffs, we're gonna watch it. I mean,
we're gonna see it them to life. Whoever wins this thing.
They're all dealing with an online money, but they've they've
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they've handled it in a way that the team is
still first. You know, it's not about an individual. And
that's who's gonna win this whole thing. At the end
of the day, whoever it is, and whoever Kirby or
House State or Indiana, whoever it is. You know, whoever
can have the whoever has the best team is gonna win.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
And I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I'm not sure if if I win, I don't know
if that helps me or hurts me. Because some of
the players that are that that will all of a
sudden want.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Or deserve in I own money.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
They're leaving. They're gonna leave if I can't come up
with the money. So I so repeating is almost impossible.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
It's gonna it's gonna be interesting to see it. And
if there is such a thing as repeats.
Speaker 8 (41:55):
And speaking of the college football playoffs, and just like
just touching briefly on the NII, you know.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
What's good for the game, It's good for the goose.
Speaker 8 (42:02):
I think that you know, and again, you're a coach,
but I think coaches have shown that, you know, it's
all about money for them too, So this sort of
filtered down to the players. So it's got to be
loyal to on both ends or integrity or however you
would frame it. But going to the college football playoffs,
there's a lot of controversy around it. But who do
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you have? What's your pick? I'm going And again I
didn't notice to the till today, but the head football
coach at Indiana, Signelly is a West Virginian. He is
from He's from Montgomery, He's from Morgantown. From Morgantown, his
father was the coach at WVU back in the seventies.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
He was a quarterback at WVU. God and just imagine him.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
I mean, if we could have you know, but you
know whatever, But he's done such a tremendous job at
at Indiana.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
So so who do you got, coach?
Speaker 7 (42:57):
Man? I ro uh in my heart of Hearts. I
think I think the team that's playing the most complimentary
football right now that I've seen is Georgia. But I
think that Ohio State has a lot of talent. I
think the loss to Indiana is going to wake them up. Okay,
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wake that sleeping giant up because they got a ton
of talent, a ton of talent. But again, you know,
every any given Saturday, you can beat shoot Indiana, show
that you know.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (43:32):
But but watching Georgia just they're not as good as
they've been in the past, but they're playing better as
a team. I mean with the defense isn't playing well,
the offense is playing well.
Speaker 8 (43:42):
I'm SEC coach. I don't want to let's Jake, let's
go jam you or Indiana Let's go.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
Yeah. I was just gonna ask you about that, coach.
But you know is do you think there's SEC bias?
I mean the way that Alabama got in and Notre
Dame got left out, and like I said, looking at
those earlier losses. I mean, I know the SEC is
one of the best conferences in the country. We all
know that, But do you feel like they get some
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some you know, favorable calls when it comes to the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (44:20):
Yeah. Maybe Again, I'm not in that room. I don't
I don't know exactly what. I hope I get to
hear here in a year. I'm going to ask what
went on in that meeting and I'll be able to
get an answer. But yeah, for right now, I mean,
they've got people in that room that's from all over
all conferences, and they all believe in their conference. Yeah,
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you know, so I don't have an answer to that.
I really don't.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Does does the draw of the team? You know, like
when you say Ohio State, I mean that's huge, right Indiana?
Make Okay, it's Indiana, but it's not Ohio State. Not
when you start talking about football, I see it the
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whole nil issue and what I think is a problem,
and even being who's who are you gonna put on TV?
Who's gonna be making all this money? Where's the money
coming from?
Speaker 6 (45:22):
To?
Speaker 4 (45:23):
I think what happens if you let this go too far?
And I'm curious to see if you agree with me.
We're gonna get the top and the bottom.
Speaker 6 (45:33):
We're gonna get the teams who have money behind them.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
They're gonna turn into the top teams, and then on
the bottom are going to be the teams that can't
get money, and all they've got are the guys who
can't get on other teams that can't leave their program
and go to another team. And I don't see why
we're not seeing this that you can't keep this going
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because all of your top players each and every year
are going to go somewhere else. And the team that
doesn't have any il who lost a great player in
their quarterback, maybe they're gonna have to get another quarterback
who's not gonna probably be that good, and they can't
afford to keep him even if he plays out, it
plays out and.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
It plays great consistency, consistency, you can't have it.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
You're not gonna be able to have any kind of consistency.
Speaker 7 (46:26):
I agree with you one hundred percent. And I started
this whole conversation by saying, there has to be some
We need to get a commissioner and a body below him,
right under him that are having these same conversations we're
having right now. I mean, it's there. I think everybody
thinks it's real. Everybody knows that it's real, just nothing
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has been done yet because it's a little bit like
a wild while lest right now, I think there'll be
some regulation come here in a year or two. I
really do. Uh if what we are all talking about
discussing right here comes to fruition that you have the
superpowers and then you have everybody else, you know, and
I think I don't think. I know some guys are
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jumping to other jobs because they're gonna have unlimited resources.
You know, you guys have left a pretty good job
to take maybe what looks lateral to some people, But
if you look at the monies that that particular institution has,
it's not even close, you know, and you can google
(47:32):
that there are how much endowment money they have? And
what's the ad willing to give you? What's the president
willing to give you monetarily to buy your football team?
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Yeah, Like, I don't know how. I don't know how
you can get a contract that is like this out
of this world compared to any other coach, you know,
like Kipping, you know, like I mean, but I.
Speaker 8 (48:03):
Also say this, I think that just because you have
the money doesn't guarantee success.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
Right.
Speaker 8 (48:09):
We've seen what's Signetti, We seen what Jammy you, we
see what Tulane. Hell, even what Duke did. Duke won
the ACC championships. So just because you have the money,
because we seen like there is still a part of
football where you have to jail, you have to work
as a team, you have to have continuity among your
players and your staff. That still is value. And I
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think what we're going to see over the long haul,
we're going to see sort of that bell curve where
we're gonna have this money and it's gonna be crazy,
and then it's going to come down to the other
side where people, organizations, eighties presidents, they're going to realize, hey,
we just can't throw money at this problem.
Speaker 6 (48:47):
Troy Aikman, he made a comment the other day.
Speaker 8 (48:50):
He was saying he wrote a check and they asked
him to write a check for one of them nil
deals for a quarterback, and the quarterback transferred. So I
think you're gonna have not only on that end, you're
gonna have donut fatigue. And you know, some companies aren't
going to get the ROI when it comes to, you know,
those endorsement deals that they think they're going to get,
particularly when you have players who have such fluidity of movement.
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So I think we're just at a we're almost I
think at the tip of point, and I think it'll
come down to the other side. Well, we'll sort of
get back to reality.
Speaker 7 (49:20):
Yeah, I agree with you, And I think that the
quicker that we get a body involved of all the
things that we're kind of talking about, that'll happen sooner
than later. And what scares me to that is what
you guys brought up. I mean, we can't let it
get to the high school level. My goodness. I mean,
it's never gonna stop.
Speaker 6 (49:39):
You know, it's already there. I mean, it's already there.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
And wow, kind of implementing things in West Virginia without
really knowing what the ramifications will be. You know, it's
it's very general right now, but it's here. It's here.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
And the fear of that is what you hear of
inn Il Money. He's in college and and all of that.
You're thinking right out of the shoot. If I'm a
high school kid and I'm a really I'm the best
guy on my team and and and we've got nil,
what am I asking for or what am I thinking
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I'm gonna get? You know, if I mean, if I'd
have got a thousand dollars, if I'd have got five
hundred dollars.
Speaker 6 (50:22):
I would have been doing flips.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
They're talking millions now they're gonna be asking for millions. Yeah,
and I just I just don't think.
Speaker 6 (50:34):
I just I just don't know that.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
And and I hope you guys are right that it
will it will all come to a head. My problem
is how far and how many athletes are we going
to have to go through before we get it?
Speaker 7 (50:51):
Mm hmmm. I concur with you. I'll tell you guys this.
When I was at Florida State, if if I heard
one more time, coach, I'm trying to get that bag.
Had I never ever hear that in my meeting room again?
I said, I lost my stuff during games? You know
they put on a backpack after an interception. That's what
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you're supposed to do. Yeah, that stuff drove me crazy.
Speaker 8 (51:18):
Guys, Hey, speaking of interceptions, you uh, I think during
that championship season of a championship run, you led Marshall
with ten picks that season. I think that record still
stands for a Martiall record and for a conference record.
Speaker 6 (51:36):
In I correct, Yeah, I beat out.
Speaker 7 (51:39):
I was second in the country. And who beat me out?
Speaker 6 (51:42):
Who?
Speaker 7 (51:42):
Superman? Hell? Dean Kane?
Speaker 8 (51:45):
He had where did he play at though?
Speaker 7 (51:52):
Where did he play? He played that Division III?
Speaker 6 (51:54):
Right?
Speaker 7 (51:55):
No, no, he played the IVY she played it was it? Yell?
Speaker 8 (52:00):
Okay, that's some interesting trivia.
Speaker 7 (52:04):
Yeah, yeah, yes, Superman, Superman got me.
Speaker 5 (52:07):
I'm going to give you a hypothetical question here, coach, So,
since we're playing games, so, so when you were you
were with coach Tressell at Ohio State in two thousand
and one, right, and you were the defensive coordinator, and
you guys had a forteen eleven record, which is that's
that's pretty respectable. What would you have done in that
day in time if you had had access to nil
like Ohio State does today? I mean, can you imagine,
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like what what kind of things could you have accomplished
with that type of revenue.
Speaker 6 (52:36):
To pay d man more?
Speaker 8 (52:39):
Shout out to Darius Scott Capitol high.
Speaker 7 (52:43):
Right, God, that's my god. Would have got some money,
for sure. We gave decent money.
Speaker 10 (52:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (52:51):
You know, one thing, the one thing that coach trust
was great about even if we had been in the
NLI era, uh, he would he would have managed that.
He would have done his best to manage it and
still keep the team concept. And I again, I look
at Georgia, and I think Kirby, with all the money
they have, all the money they are paying, he still
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got his kids playing another They don't look like they're
playing as individuals. You know, they're playing complimentary football. I think.
I think Ryan Day's done a great job at Ohiose
State with that too as well.
Speaker 6 (53:28):
And one one story about d Man.
Speaker 8 (53:30):
I remember him coming back home for briefly in the summer,
and everybody knows Darian Scott. He was, like I said,
capitol football legend here. He's a great running back, great
basketball player and a linebacker. And I remember asking him
that summer. I was like, well, why did you move
the defensive line? You know what I mean? And it's
in his comment was like I was trying to get
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on the field faster. So just talking to like if
we got parents listening or players listening, and because we
could talk all the nil stuf if you want, but
if you're not producing on the field, none of that's
not it's not even going to come to it's not
gonna mean nothing. So talking to parents, talking to maybe
players who listen, and what would you tell them about
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like those decisions maybe you got to switch positions playing
other sports, different things of that nature.
Speaker 7 (54:16):
Well, selflessness, I mean, that's that's a lost art now nowadays.
A little bit you know you want to be you
know you don't want to be selfish. Whatever helps the
team and helps you in in return, no doubt. And
like we talked about earlier, I mean when I go
out recruiting, I love it when a guy tells me
he plays hoops or runs track or plays baseball. Parents
(54:42):
hear that I fell into that trap. I didn't. I
didn't play baseball my senior year in high school to
run track to get faster for football. And I'm not
so sure my best sport wasn't baseball. You maybe I
could have been Carl Lee of baseball, you know what
I mean, Because I wasn't good to football wise to
get where I wanted to go. But maybe baseball, you
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know what I mean. So I think when I go out,
I love it when the coach tells me this kid
does this, this, this, this, and this. I tell you
something else that we that we look for too. If
for young folks listening, I went always went to the
cafeteria workers, the janitors. I want to know about that kid. Wow,
nobody was looking Yep, it's her at the highest level.
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Now we're talking Ohio state right now, because we had
to pick the litter across the country, and I wanted
to know what the gender had to say about him,
the ladies in the cook line when he'd come got
his lunch, teachers, We we go that deep with it.
You know, in the NFL they go to the to
the police reports and things of that nature. But but
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even those NFL scouts, I mean, it's amazing to watch
him walk around a facility and ask.
Speaker 9 (55:52):
About a kid, wow, and and football related and and
and parents need to understand that because when that scout
comes into the high school, say a colleague scout comes
into the high school to see your kid, it's not
it's as much as football or basketball or whatever the
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sport that they're playing.
Speaker 4 (56:15):
You may think it's all about that, but that scouts
trying to get information. The question he's asking people is
not about what's happening on the field.
Speaker 7 (56:25):
Now we say that on film, We say that on film.
We don't need that. And exactly I would ask. I
would ask about the parents too, I sure would. I
wanted to know what was coming into my room. You
know what kind of kid. How was he raised? What
am I bringing into my thirteen or fourteen guys as
a position coach or my forty five guys as a
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coordinator or one hundred and five guys as a head coach?
Speaker 5 (56:51):
So important? You don't want to destroy your locker room chemistry, you.
Speaker 7 (56:55):
Know, absolutely, yep, no doubt about it, No doubt about it.
That's and again I think that's the team that's going
to win this whole thing. We'll know here in a
few weeks who held it together the best and who
managed all the things that we're talking about the best.
Speaker 6 (57:09):
Mm hm.
Speaker 4 (57:10):
That's you know, I I I really When I when
I think about looking at at that.
Speaker 6 (57:18):
Piece of football, the.
Speaker 11 (57:20):
The parents side, the the off the field stuff, I
think it's a it's a it seems like that's a challenge,
but it should be just normal, right Like you know,
if if your goal, my goal was to play NFL football,
I didn't have any other interest, so there wasn't no
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reason for me to try to be I didn't need
to be cool in school. I didn't need to be
tough in the in the alleys. I didn't need to
be none of that. I just wanted to be a
football player and play in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (57:55):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (57:56):
And if and if to me, I feel like there's
so much think there's so many different types of things
that kids think they want to be and or they
they find something that they want to be, but there's
so many other things that pull them.
Speaker 6 (58:08):
Off of that track.
Speaker 8 (58:11):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (58:12):
And because they're off there half the time they're off
that track, they're not putting enough time, not enough study
into what it is they want to be. And you
and if you want to be something, I mean to me,
I think you have to be all the time locked in.
Speaker 6 (58:30):
You know you can't. You can't.
Speaker 4 (58:31):
You can't say okay, well I'll I'll just do this
one time.
Speaker 6 (58:36):
No, you're probably not gonna do it this one time,
right right?
Speaker 7 (58:40):
Can we call it up with it?
Speaker 6 (58:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (58:45):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (58:46):
You know one last story I tell you guys, since
we're talking about d Scott. Uh you know Aaron Dobson
from right there in Charlis. Yeah, going back to the
all around sports. You know, he he had nobody fruiting him.
I was actually watching my daughter's cheer at Cabul Midland,
and this kid took over the basketball game right in
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the second half, and I said, who is that kid? Right?
And they said, his parents are sitting right down there.
Because I always sat on the visitor side just so
I could, you know, be incognito and join my daughters.
Went down and I sat with his parents and asking
if he played football, and his dad said, hey, yay,
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he plays wide receiver. And I said what school? And
I said, I'll be in there this week. Did he
catch any balls? And very few balls did he catch
in high school? Right? But I saw his demeanor on
the basketball corps another sport. I got to meet his parents.
Speaker 6 (59:48):
Great.
Speaker 7 (59:48):
Great, Now you have a Super Bowl ring, you know,
and that's you know, that's another story getting back to
being a enty sport guy. You know, especially in the
area when in our area there there's not a lot
of college coaches that come through there, you know. Yeah,
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so you've got to stand out somehow someway, Well.
Speaker 6 (01:00:15):
Coach, we're gonna we're gonna let you go and we're
gonna get out of here. Man.
Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
I really really appreciated. We got a lot of good information.
And I hope a lot of the folks who are listening,
they they will they will hear a lot of the
things that you said and take take heed of it.
Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Thank you so much, coach.
Speaker 7 (01:00:31):
Thank you guys. It's so good to be talking to
folks at home. Stay warm up there.
Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
Happy holidays.
Speaker 7 (01:00:39):
Happy holidays to you guys.
Speaker 6 (01:00:41):
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Now, that's a guest right there. I know you know
what I'm saying that you're welcome. Thank you.
Speaker 6 (01:00:52):
No, I'm thanking you sincerely that that was really good.
Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
It's a nice human. I mean, he's just a genuine person,
I believe.
Speaker 6 (01:01:01):
And you know, and Holl's fun.
Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
It's funny to me because listening to him, he doesn't
really come off like like that hard nosed coach. But
I'm going to make the case that I think he
is pretty demanding in what he wants.
Speaker 7 (01:01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (01:01:14):
I mean, if you look at his resume, anybody Mark Snyder,
former head coach of Marshall, He's been Ohio State to everywhere.
He has a professional football coaching experience, so he's been
around the block. So I think he's one of those
guys who you know, not only from a player standpoint,
but from a collegiate standpoint and even maybe you know
hourly has an administrator as well. He has a well
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rounded perspective on football and kind of where it needs
to go and what you need to do in order
to accomplish your goal.
Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Right, So, if you're listening, if you listen to this show,
he's your He's who you should be listening to because
I think he's telling you everything that you need to
know about your kid, trying to trying to find a
way in the sports.
Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
He's well rounded.
Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
All right, well, ladies and gentlemen, we appreciate you listen,
and we will be back again next week.
Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
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Welcome to Let's Talk with Carl Lee and frequent guest
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Speaker 4 (00:43):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, This is Carle with Let's Talk.
I have in my I have in the building. Lisa
Odie Hello, and Hollis Lewis and uh, we got it.
We got a pretty really good guest today and Lisa
is going to give us a bio and introduce them
and we'll go from there.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
This bio may take a minute because they say this
guy's resume is pretty impressive.
Speaker 6 (01:06):
And is deserving.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
It's very deserving. So in the audience they need to
grab some popcorn and sit back and relax and enjoy.
So our guest tonight is a nineteen eighty eight graduate
of Marshall University. He played football for the Herd between
the years nineteen eighty five and nineteen eighty nineteen eighty
five and nineteen eighty eight as a safety, and in
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nineteen eighty seven he led the Southern Conference with ten
interceptions and was second on the team with one hundred
and twenty four tackles. I know Carl likes all of this.
His senior year at Marshall led the team to a
landmark come from behind when at Louisville and a birth
in Marshall's first ever national championship game in the Division
one Double A area. He also captured honorable mention All
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American honors and first team All Southern Conference honors. He
posted a The Herd posted a ten and five record overall,
and they were a national runner up to Northern Louisiana
nineteen eighty seven. Not long after graduation in ninety one,
he joined Jim Tressel as an outside linebacker coach at
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Youngstown State, where the Penguins won three NCUBLEA Division one
Double A national championships. Ninety six, he was a defensive
ends coach under Glenn Mason at Minnesota, and while there,
his defense twice set school records and averaged forty point
seven sacks during a three year span. Pretty impressive rate.
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That's pretty good, pretty impressive. Two thousand and one, he
reunited with coach Trestle at Ohio State as a defensive
coordinator and the Buckeyes posted a forty and eleven record.
He finally returned to Marshall on April fourteenth, two thousand
and five, and served five seasons as head coach and
helped the team transition from the MIC to Conference USA.
He also had the honor of coaching running back Ahmaud
(03:00):
Bradshaw during his tenure there. He later finished his coaching
career with South Florida, Texas A and M Michigan State,
Florida State, and then eventually the USFL. So please welcome
to the podcast tonight, Coach Mark Snyder. Welcome, coach.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
Thank you guys. You know that that bio makes me
sound old.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Join the crowd, here goes.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Coach.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
One of the one of the interesting questions that I
have for you right out of the shoot is now,
as you look at as you look at the game,
you look at the coaching, you look at the players,
and the whole n I L stuff.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
When you look at it? What does it look like
to you?
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Well, before I get to that, let me say this.
I was a fan of Carl Lee. I went to
Marshall games. I've always wanted I've always wanted to say
that I was a quarterback, but I was in a
safety body. And then I had a Minnesota and I
got to watch thirty nine a little bit. Uh, just
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one of my idols, man, big time West Virginia. It
makes me very, very proud to be from that area.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
You know a lot of us don't get out. You know,
it's just real, and you were I can, I can
honestly say you were one of my idols that I
strive to be when I when I did move to
safety at Marshall. Now getting to the question, all's change,
you know, it's the world's changing, balls change, the n
C double as changing. It's you know, Carl, you probably
(04:40):
know a little bit more. It's more NFL like man,
I mean probably about thirty years old, thirty two. I
think I had a chance to go to le Broncos
with Mike Shanahan and I had to make a decision
do I stay in college or do I go to
the NFL? Right? And I had just got to a
house state, just got back close to home, and decided
(05:01):
to stay in college football because of the security you know,
they were, which is removing every two years in the NFL. Man,
you look at college football now, I mean, geez, it's
the same thing we've we've kind of become the NFL
a little bit. And now with the NLI and the portal,
you know, that was I was kind of transitioning out
(05:23):
of college football when all that is, but I still got,
you know, a thousand friends coaching college ball, and the
work hours are like the NFL. Uh My buddy here
O'Dell Hagen's who is mister Florida State. I was driving
to Tallahatsee and it was May. It was March, March.
What is it? Thirty days in March? Right? And I said, del,
(05:46):
I'm coming to Florida State, see my daughter. Let's go
fishing or whatever. And he's like, Snyde's I've worked thirty
one days. And I'm like, Dell, there's only thirty days
in March. And he said, no, I've worked thirty one
days with the portal, you know, and the recruiting. It
never stops. It's ongoing, and at some point in time
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we're gonna have to come up with a commissioner. This
is a snydersm now, thirty five years in the business.
Somebody's gonna and I think it's probably gonna be coach
saving to be honest with you, that would be the
best to regulate this a little bit. You know, let's
put some regulations on this.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
You know, the coaching moves all happening. My phone blows
up every single day. I need to start getting a
Finders seat. I mean I didn't need to get a
Finders It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
You know.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
Guys are moving and we got bowl games now. Teams
are opting out of bowl games. They can't finish the
season with their players. I talked to all of my
buddies yesterday at Arizona State, and uh, the one thing
that that their head coach has done is even if
you're going into the portal, if you want to finish
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the season with this team, because this is the twenty
five team, you can't finish the season and go to
the bowl game. Then going to the porter. To me,
that was a breath of fresh air to be honest
with that. To listen to Kurt at Indiana, you know,
you know, they they gave him an opportunity and he
stuck with it and and that's loyalty to me. So
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those those are kind of some of my thoughts. Guys, right,
wrong and different. I don't know, but I guess I'm
getting older. I'm still a little old fashioned, if you
know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (07:32):
And speaking of that coach, this is Hollis. You transitioned
from a collegiate sport. You like Lisa read it, at
the onset of the program, you had a ton of experience,
particularly on the defensive side, and also being a head
coach at the collegiate level. Recently we saw, you know,
the last couple of days Philip rivers after not playing
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for five years, and the NFL is back, and currently
you are a coach at the us Is it you
SFL or u f L.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
I believe you well to the UFL. Now, I was
in the USFL, then I went to the XFL and
they merged to make the UFL. It's kind of like
Senior's golf Tour. Yeah, it's kind of the seniors Tour, gotcha?
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Gotcha?
Speaker 8 (08:16):
So what so I guess my question is is that
what do you think needs to happen in order to
have a better development system outside of what we're currently
seeing at the collegiate level, because and particularly as it
relates to the quarterback position, because I mean my thought
was like, man, they can't find anybody else. He was
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the best choice after not playing for five years. So
what do you think needs to happen as far as
development is concerned.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
Man, that's that's a good question. That's probably above my
pay grade. I think that with the portal, and again
this is just my opinion, kids jumping from school to
school chasing money, right, it used to be chasing money.
When you get to the NFL, the kids are chasing
money now. And the development part of it, you know,
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kids aren't playing three sports anymore. Yeah, everybody's got everybody's
got a specialty coach. You know, we're gonna work on
and there's nothing wrong with that footwork drills, those kind
of things. But but but I I think again, this
is old school thinking, playing a lot of sports, doing
a lot of different movements. You know, I'm my specialties
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linebacker and my best linebackers believing or not, we're swimmers.
Can you believe that hockey players and swimmers were my
all pro guys I coached? Wow? Yeah, yeah, that's real.
You know, they work on it. You know this, and
they're working on that, and you know, and all those
are important. But I just think we're losing focus of
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being an athlete right, developing the total body. And I'm
sure it goes into quarterback play as well. Kids aren't
getting developed anymore. We're jumping from school to school getting
now they are getting different systems. I think that probably helps,
but you know, from a knowledge standpoint, but I don't
know that people are getting developed like they used to
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get developed. And it's showing. You could see it in
the NFL a little bit. I've got a bunch of
buddies in the NFL and I've never coached in the NFL,
and they're like snids. You'd be shocked. Shocked.
Speaker 8 (10:26):
Yeah, And and like I was a former collegiate quarterback.
And one thing I've noticed just even watching the NFL,
and you probably can appreciate this playing safeties. Quarterbacks don't
throw the long ball as well as they used to,
and even raile receivers they seem to have trouble tracking
the ball, And I think that comes from what you
just said as far as just maybe not being that athlete,
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not just just playing sports and and and being too
focused on trying to be technically right instead of just
being athletically loose and fluid.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
H And I think a little bit of the offenses too.
If you look around the country, you know everybody's spreading
it out, and you know they're they're spread the ball
across the field, but not down the field as much.
So again, I mean, if if and again I'm talking
from not a lot of knowledge, but if that would
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be an issue with my team, my butt would be
practicing D balls every day because I'm getting a ton
of the other stuff every day in practice, right, But
if I'm a kid, a player, or a quarterback, I'm
going to work on those skills. And I think we've lost.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Some of that and and two and to Hollis's point,
and and kind of even where really where you went
on that. To me, technique is is the most critical piece.
You could be good or you could be average, but
when you learn technique and how to do it, that
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ends up that can make you so much better. And
so to the point of going from program to program, system,
the system.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
It's going to be.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Very hard to pick up a system if you're if
you're jumping ship every every other year, going and learning
something with whether it be a new coach and new coordinator,
we're going to do a new system. To me, I
just think that is that is detrimental to the guy
who could do a system. And then Hollis comes in
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and puts in another system, and all of a sudden,
my play doesn't show up anymore.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
Like I agree with Carl, that's why you're all pro.
That's exactly what I'm serious. Please don't tell you that,
all right, I go around and and even into the
coach and then I'm not banging on the coaching at all.
But they've come up and you've got some younger coaches,
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and and and it it bother. I don't hear coaching,
you know, catch the ball? Well, hell, I mean teach
them how to catch the ball right, get in a tackle,
make make the tackle. What you're not coaching the guy,
teach the guy how to make the tackle. I hear that.
I hear that a lot coach?
Speaker 6 (13:14):
You you you you you are just thinking me up.
I mean, because it's crazy to me.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
For somebody to say, you got to make that tackle,
and you haven't really actually worked on me making an
angle tackle, or you haven't helped me try to make
a straight on tackle. There's how do how do I
play the ball?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
You know?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Like I mean, all of those kind of things, I
think we've lost. And I think that also because we've
lost it, it's created a situation with our young players
not being able to utilize all of their skill set.
And when you don't, for me, footwork, basketball was the
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best thing for me with footwork because people don't really
guys don't go out and do a whole lot of
footwork outside and working out and saying I'm doing my footwork.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
But in basketball it's natural.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Right, So if you don't play basketball because you you're
because football doesn't end, you're gonna lose that piece. You
don't have to start, You don't have to be a starter,
you don't have to be anything. But just being able
to be out there working helps you, right, And I
think I think that I think that that's gone now.
I don't think parents realize that. I don't think coaches
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care about it anymore so, and so kids to me
actually just aren't even.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Aware of that.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Well, I'll tell you. I tell you guys, because I'm
out right now, and I sit here on Saturdays. I
don't miss it on Sundays. I don't miss it on Tuesdays.
But Saturdays, I sit here and I scream at the
TV and I'm goinging, I'm getting back in. I'm gonna
get back in this year because I know I can
help somebody somewhere with what we're talking about. And I
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talked to some of my buddies that are out and are like,
because I felt like I've put years back on my life.
You know, I've been out for two years now, and
I'm gonna get back in because I can help somebody
I know I can't. And they're like, it' nice. You
need to get back in, Okay.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
You know.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Now again with with the way college ball is now,
talking about college NFL, I talked to a guy the
other day that they had we have nine full time
assistant coaches in college football. Every assistant coach had an
analyst who's allowed to coach on the field. Now, right,
you don't have to you don't have to stay in
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the office and stay away from practice. All nine people
have analyst. So now you've got two coaches. Then you
get they had fourth position that had gas graduate assistant coaches.
Now you've got three coaches on top of the support
staff that each individual coach had to get the film ready,
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you know, do the visio, do the all the meeting stuff.
It's amazing to me. And I'm sitting there going wow,
is there too many too many hands in the in
the pot? Could you imagine sitting in a staff room
with forty seven people?
Speaker 6 (16:19):
Oh my gosh, no, I can't even. I can't even.
I can't even imagine that, And you can't.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
It's not possible, is it that me and Hollis and
Lisa can all see something every time the same exact.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Way, right right. I'm with you. I'm with you. So
I've come to the there's a few of my buddies
that are doing it and their back in bile. They're
getting their fixed, their helping kids, and they're helping the stabs.
To have somebody old enough to stand up and go,
you know what, this is the way he wants it.
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Everybody else, be quiet, just the way we're gonna do it. Now,
let's coach it, you know. And and when I do
get back in That's where I'm gonna bring to the table.
I'm going to be that guy that's been a head coach,
that's been a coordinator, It's been at the highest level
in college athletics. You know, I know what the top
of the mountain looks like. And then help maybe control
that forty people, you know, in a staff room. I
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couldn't imagine having a staff room that big to hold
that many people. Wow, those are my thoughts, guys. I
mean not that I know what the heck I'm talking about,
but there's something that does definitely need to be fixed
in college football for sure.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Speaking of fixing things in college football, you open the
door for me, coach.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
This is Lisa.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
So we know every year when the college football playoffs
roll around, there's going to be some type of controversy.
You know, there are going to be teams that are in,
teams that are out, and some people are going to
be happy and some not so happy. You know, obviously,
if you want to make everybody happy in college college athletics,
sell ice cream, don't coach, right, you know that. So
this year, the main controversy for twenty twenty centered on
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the selection committee's decision they snub Notre Dame basically for
Miami despite ranking the Irish ahead of the Hurricanes for weeks. Right,
So you've got that going on, and then when you
look at Alabama's inclusion, you know they had an early
season loss to FSU that was kind of overlooked, whereas
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Notre Dame's lost to Miami wasn't. What is your opinion
on the way that and I know that, you know,
like I said, no one's the whole crowd can never
be happy. But the selection process in general, what is
your thoughts about how they do that in this current
college football playoff system?
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Wow, that's that's a rough one. I first, I would say,
I'm glad I'm not on the committee exactly. You know,
I worked for Mark d'antone and work with Mark D'Antonio
at Ohio State. He's on the selection I would not
want to be in that. No, that's a rough one.
You know, do you do you leave a JMU out
so you can take a Notre Dame and make it
all about money in TV exposure and the things that
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run the country, or do you let like a James
Madison in right?
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
That could maybe be a Sundarella kind of like basketball.
I don't have the answer to that. I guess every
year you'd have to change how many teams you'll let
in at least I really don't.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Have the answer to It's kind of a rhetorical question
for sure, but I just wanted your opinion on it.
I mean, you know, And so an expansion of the
playoff maybe an answer, like you.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
Just said, maybe maybe maybe if you're gonna you know,
if you want your cake and eat it too. And
when I say that, I'm talking about like a brand
Notre Dame money, maybe exposure, and you want to let
the James Madison in. Who's earned it? Who deserves it? Sure,
based on the rules that's been put out, maybe maybe
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expanding it is the answer.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Yeah. My my concern with how this like the.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Like the bowl games used to be like something that
was exciting and you you kind of paid attention to
who whoo who got in the bowl, like you wanted
your team to get into the bowl, right and whatever
that bowl is? And now you you you you got
a little bit of playoff situation kind of going why
(20:28):
can't it? Is there a possibility of just going to
a straight playoffs at each level and you take your
top how many ever teams and just play.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
There's something to that too. I mean that there's so
much tradition in the bowl games. They've been around just
about as long as football has, you know, and the
pageantry and the excitement and all those things that we
all come to grow and love are kind of going
to the wayside. I mean, how many teams do we have?
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Doubt?
Speaker 7 (21:01):
You know, you don't hear of that much. I think
we had six or seven teams, not even.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Gonna go to think it was ten, yeah, ten ten.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Coaching changes and you know, we got the portals, so
we're not getting an extra practice with our young people
because they might not be on our team anyway. You know,
it's kind of lost its luster a little bit, which
is sad because what a great experience for young people
bowl games are. They're incredible. Most incredible experience I've had
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in coaching is those Bowl games. And the better your record,
the better the bowl games, the better the bowl game,
the better the the prizes and the gifts you got
when you got off the plane, and uh, just the
pageantry of it all.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
So coach, you've actually had it from both angles. So
You've been to bowl games as a coach, and you
also went to the playoffs at the one double a
what used to be the one double a FCS level
as a player and a coach. So comparing it to like,
how like what was the experience like on on on
the playoff in in the.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Bowl and we well, the playoffs was exciting. It was Wow,
that's a rough one. I enjoyed the one double eight
days of the bowl games because you you win and
you keep playing. Yeah, you know, the Bowl game was
more development of young people, the younger you know, your
team had a lot of scrimmages with the young players.
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You got to mostly go to a warm destination. Yeah
that in the one double wait days, I mean, g
we was in Montana, we were, we was all over
the place.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
I just remember watching like because you coasted not only
played at Marshall, but you coastedt young toown States where
you guys had just one of the most phenomenal runs
that there was. I think you went won three straight championships,
went to four straight FCS championship games. So I remember
just watching the intensity again be cold weather, hot weather,
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but just the intensity of those games. So what was
the experience like and again, a lot of those games
you coached the young Town stayed with Jim Trussel. You
were playing against your former team Marshall.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
So what that.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Was crazy? The first year, the first year at Youngstown,
we played Mama Mater Marshall, and the seniors on that
team were freshman when I was playing.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Yeah, And my guy kind of what was his name, Brettnstler,
brad Nessler, We was at the banquet and he said,
Michael Payton drops back to past. Oh no, it's intercepted
by Mark Snyder.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Michael and I had.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
To I split underneath my table, you know. Uh So
a lot of those guys on that team were freshmen
when I played, So it was pretty It was pretty cool.
And I'll tell you guys this, this is a story
I have never You guys will appreciate this. I I
haven't shared this much, but when the Jones was over,
we played Marshall in ninety three, I believe, and pregame.
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I'm standing at midfield with Jim Donnan and I'm what
thirty twenty eight years old, twenty nine years old, and
he put his arm around me, and the fans were
starting to fill into the stadium and he said, I
want you to look around here, son, someday this may
all be yours.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Wow, that's great.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
Crazy, And it was, Yeah, so that's crazy.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
Going from that, and then, like I said, playing against
Marshall and everything like that in those championship games and
that rivalry that was Youngtown State and Marshall back in
the days. And then transitioning to be the head coach
at your alma mater, the school you grew up, you know,
watching it. How was that coaching in Huntington?
Speaker 7 (24:53):
It was cool. It was really good. It was a
great experience, you know. Jim Trussell asked me because it
was kind of you know, I had nobody to really
uh ask because when I got hired. Remember the time
that I got hired. I got hired after spring ball.
There was one spring practice left. Yeah, yeah, and I'm
(25:17):
I'm you know, trust is like you sure you want
to do this, Sure you want to do this? You
know the timings late. You got one spring practice left
to meet your team or even see them. Uh, you know,
you got to hire staff. And at the time I
was pretty hot. I mean I had a lot of
job offers. To be honest with you, and we were
(25:38):
we were in Texas Week.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
In spring ball, we always had like a Michigan Week
at Texas Week, whoever the big teams were. We were
in Texas Week, and uh, he asked me one last time,
he said, sure, you want to do this, and I
said I do. And uh, so I called down. I said, y'all,
don't have practice. I'm driving down from Columbus. I got
this see one practice, a shells practice, and then uh,
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the spring game and I was out in the parking
lot the whole spring game, you know, Glad Hannon and
some babies and all that kind of stuff in my team,
you know. So it was a bit of a challenge
for a year and a half, it was. It was
a bit of a challenge getting the people in there.
I wanted, you know, when I when I was hired,
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I was giving some instruction, some direction as to what
they wanted done. And I agreed with it that that
fit into my philosophy. So we did that, and uh,
it was good. It was really good. I mean, how
many people can say they coached was the head coach
that they're on my minor not very many.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yes, that's awesome, Yeah, that that's that's that's pretty special.
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go way off the chart
here for a second. And and I don't know why,
but this as as you were talking, this popped into
my head. I'm gonna go. I can't remember being at
Marshall for you know, pretty much. I mean, I was
(27:03):
there for my four years, and I knew of the
plane crash. I knew of it, but it did not,
it did not really, I don't know, grab me to
the degree of when I went to go see the movie,
(27:24):
I'm wondering, did you have any idea, any concept, or
any any anything about that particular situation at Marshall that
would make you say, Hey, I'm you know, I'm proud
to because, like now, my proudest moment about being at
Marshall is that I was part of the rebuild, right,
(27:47):
you know, and while we didn't win games, we were
playing and if we weren't playing, I mean, because the
concept really was to get rid of the program period.
So the fact of just being able to be out
there representing the school that to me was a great thing.
As looking back at it, and I was wondering, like,
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at that point in time, how did you how do
you how did it make you feel? Did you see
the movie? How did that make you feel? And you know,
and does that draw you into making Marshall one of
the more special places that you've ever coached.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Well, I don't know how long this show is, but
I'll tell you this because you just struck a bunch
of nerves with me. When I kid. You know, my
family's from Huntington. So when I was a kid when
a plane crash, I remember my dad taking me and
my brother over there. And I was little. It was
nineteen seventy, so I was a little, but I kind
of remember that. And then I would say this, Carl,
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if they didn't keep playing football, right, then I wouldn't
have got a chance to see Carl Lee play, which
inspired me and probably other people right to to do
what we've done, if that makes sense. And then my
senior year, I actually went to school with Red Dawff's daughter, right,
and Red didn't come around much, and me and my
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college roomate Tony Peterson become friends with him. You know,
Red actually used to give us beer. I probably shouldn't
say that. We would go to Red's house and we
were playing Weaver State at Fairfield right, and the starters
got pulled out of the game before we went and
played Appy State in the semi finals, and so we
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Marshall knew that there would be no more home games
at Fairfield the rest of that year because we were
getting beat Weaver. Then we go play Appy, then we
go play Northeast Louisiana. So in the fourth quarter, all
the starters come out. We talked Red into coming to
the game. We talked Lee Moon into getting in. The
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sideline passed and they were doing the wave Carl around
Fairfield a way right. I don't know. I know when
I played there, and I never saw.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
That we didn't have anything to do the way for.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
And I remember looking at Red and he was crying. Right.
So then when I came back to Marshall, Uh, one
of my my things was I wanted new turf. That
was one of my I don't want to say the bands,
but I said, I want new turf. And we hired
Red to put the put the turf in his construction company. Boom.
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Then here comes the movie and Uh, I become really
close with Red, so I got guys, I got to
hang out with McConaughey.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
I still talk to McConaughey, that was such a special time.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Two of my daughters are in the movie. Oh yeah,
I hung out with McConaughey. I hung out with with McGee.
I could write a book on a bunch of stuff.
I mean, I hung out with Matthew Proud believe. We
lifted together. We ran together at lunch. I let him
call plays at practice. I had him in the locker
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room before the U c F game. I probably shouldn't
tell this story. I let him talk to the team.
They flew in. He messed with McGee, the director, and
McGee was scared to death to fly and Matthew told
him they were going down, you know, and he had
a fit, I guess, and they had to put him
(31:30):
to sleep for the rest of the flight. They met
us on sixty four, a route sixty four. Matthew jumped
up on the plane. He was going to film Pools
Gold with Godie Hans's daughter. He had all his facial
hair and I'm like, matt what, what what's all over
your faces? Like I go to Australia after this game,
start filming this movie in fools Gold. So anyway, I
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let him in the locker room and at the end
of his talk before we took the field, he said, uh,
we are the hell he was talking about none of
my players, and I went Marshall, Marshall and I said,
(32:16):
I said, Matthew, do it again. And then he did
it again, and a couple of players said it, and
then he did it again. And then at the end
it was like pandemonium. Everybody was saying it, you know, and.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Pretty cool stories, you guys were the rebirth of we
Are Marshall chant then basically, yeah, tell that.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
I hadn't heard that for a long Yeah long.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
I mean, that's that's what they do now. I mean,
that's our cheer pretty much.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
And I know, I know. But in the locker room
he did that to the kids and not one kid.
What the hell he was? Oh my gosh, it was
It was kind of it was a little embarrassing, to
be honest with you.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
What a great story.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Yeah, there's some there's some really really cool stories. But yeah,
we still we still exchanged Christmas cards and the whole deal.
And getting back to Red, so his bodyguard who just
passed away him been read became very very very very
good friends him and Big John from Zachary Louisiana became
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very good friends, and the four of us spend a
lot of time together over those four or five months.
That's a long answers, Carl to your to your question,
I'm very every time I see we are Marshall last story.
I got one more story for you. We're in Atlanta
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with my daughter's her piece right, her piece in the movie,
and McGee, the director knew I had the headset on right.
So we're behind the wall. He says, action, and they
turn off the TV and pan down the bar and
there's my daughter and she shakes her head, puts her
purse on her shoulder, and walks out the door. That's
(33:59):
her scene now. And mcg goes, who knows I got
the headset on? Guys, takes the headset off and walks
around the corner into the diner and he sits down
next to my daughter and he goes, no, Chelsea, I
need you to pretend like your dad just lost a
football game. You ought to be good at that by now.
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Al mcg came the headset and said.
Speaker 9 (34:29):
ROA, oh wow, oh yeah, yeah, that's a.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
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Speaker 6 (34:43):
It's up to you.
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I'm good, guys. I love talking to you. I love
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Now back into the conversation.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
All right, we're back and go to you. You're still
here with us, yes, sir?
Speaker 4 (35:57):
All right, So I'm wondering you. I think you've kind
of flirted around with, uh something coming up You're getting
back into coaching. Is that something that you could give
us a little bit more on or you or would
you rather keep it to yourself?
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Yeah, we'll just keep We'll just keeps okay, Okay, Uh,
there's some things in the hopper here and we'll see
how how things go.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Okay, I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna ask this a just
a simple kind of question. I'm going to go back
kind of to almost to like how we kind of
opened the show a little bit.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
In high school in aile.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Is happening here in West Virginia, Okay, And and and
and it just it just got started. And and I've
I've actually already received like a call to.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
To donate.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Money to do that, and I and me personally, I'm
not interested in that for the simple fact that I
played had I had to wait till I got to
the NFL to get a dollar. And I just don't.
I just don't buy into the whole nil system. And
(37:22):
I get I get to college making money, but I
think that there's a there's a systematical way that they
could do that than just throwing all these millions, millions
of dollars away and now here we are in high school.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
I just think it's terrible. So where where are you?
Where are you with with all of that?
Speaker 7 (37:41):
I struggle with that big time. I think that young
people are young people for a reason. I mean, I
truly believe that your brain, a young man's brain is
not fully developed to about twenty four to twenty five,
twenty six years old, where they're a grown man. They
look like grown men at nineteen twenty twenty one, but
they're I couldn't imagine fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year old kids
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getting out on money. I just too many people, too many,
too many people would get involved, you know, handlers, and
you know he next thing we know, high school kids
are going to start having agents.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
You know, I think they do probably do.
Speaker 7 (38:22):
Wow. Wow. I just think that's I think that's way
too young. Uh uh. You know, in this society, we
got to learn to earn things right and and like
you said, Carl, I mean you got your first dollar
when you got to the NFL. I agree with you.
I think college kids should get something. There's no doubt,
no doubt about it. I was I was at an
(38:44):
m with Manziel. I mean that school made a lot
of money off Johnny, they did and other people. Not
just right, but but to the point of where it's
gotten today going back to college. That's why I think
we need a coach saving or somebody of that staff
to just put some regulations in place, funneling it down
to the high school level. What's going to end up
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happening is colleges are going to start helping that and
now that kid's got to come to that college, right.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
I didn't think that way.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
Come on, every you know, everybody's looking for a way
to get an edge now, and especially in college football.
You know it's it's in allies is legal now, it's
been going on. It's just legal. But it will funnel
down to the high school you know, even even the
herschel Walkers of the world. And because I guess his
story is out there, so I can I can use
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him as an example. Eric Dickerson. You know there's there's
stories there that that was happening in their senior year
coming out. Could you imagine a sophomore or a junior,
how's the high school coach even going to coach? That's
just beyond me.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Yeah, I mean that's there's I mean, that's a I mean,
that's gonna be a huge challenge because now not only
are you trying to figure out your system, what do
you want to do, what's what's your practice schedule? Who's
injured bypassing all of those kind of things, it's how
am I gonna get this money?
Speaker 6 (40:17):
Where am I going to get this money from to
pay my quarterback?
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 9 (40:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
And you've got and and and it's really a it's
it's a forced situation to where you have to have
these particular people attached to your school mm hmm in
order for you to to be successful. You're not because
you're just not gonna be successful if you don't have
ni o money to pay people because they're they're gonna lead,
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kids are gonna lead.
Speaker 7 (40:45):
Mm hmmm, mm hmmm. And the people that will win
will be the people that can can still build a team,
you know, t e a m with all that going on,
just in the playoffs, we're gonna watch it. I mean,
we're gonna see it them to life. Whoever wins this thing.
They're all dealing with an online money, but they've they've
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they've handled it in a way that the team is
still first. You know, it's not about an individual. And
that's who's gonna win this whole thing. At the end
of the day, whoever it is, and whoever Kirby or
House State or Indiana, whoever it is. You know, whoever
can have the whoever has the best team is gonna win.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
And I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I'm not sure if if I win, I don't know
if that helps me or hurts me. Because some of
the players that are that that will all of a
sudden want.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Or deserve in I own money.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
They're leaving. They're gonna leave if I can't come up
with the money. So I so repeating is almost impossible.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
It's gonna it's gonna be interesting to see it. And
if there is such a thing as repeats.
Speaker 8 (41:55):
And speaking of the college football playoffs, and just like
just touching briefly on the NII, you know.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
What's good for the game, It's good for the goose.
Speaker 8 (42:02):
I think that you know, and again, you're a coach,
but I think coaches have shown that, you know, it's
all about money for them too, So this sort of
filtered down to the players. So it's got to be
loyal to on both ends or integrity or however you
would frame it. But going to the college football playoffs,
there's a lot of controversy around it. But who do
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you have? What's your pick? I'm going And again I
didn't notice to the till today, but the head football
coach at Indiana, Signelly is a West Virginian. He is
from He's from Montgomery, He's from Morgantown. From Morgantown, his
father was the coach at WVU back in the seventies.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
He was a quarterback at WVU. God and just imagine him.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
I mean, if we could have you know, but you
know whatever, But he's done such a tremendous job at
at Indiana.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
So so who do you got, coach?
Speaker 7 (42:57):
Man? I ro uh in my heart of Hearts. I
think I think the team that's playing the most complimentary
football right now that I've seen is Georgia. But I
think that Ohio State has a lot of talent. I
think the loss to Indiana is going to wake them up. Okay,
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wake that sleeping giant up because they got a ton
of talent, a ton of talent. But again, you know,
every any given Saturday, you can beat shoot Indiana, show
that you know.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (43:32):
But but watching Georgia just they're not as good as
they've been in the past, but they're playing better as
a team. I mean with the defense isn't playing well,
the offense is playing well.
Speaker 8 (43:42):
I'm SEC coach. I don't want to let's Jake, let's
go jam you or Indiana Let's go.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
Yeah. I was just gonna ask you about that, coach.
But you know is do you think there's SEC bias?
I mean the way that Alabama got in and Notre
Dame got left out, and like I said, looking at
those earlier losses. I mean, I know the SEC is
one of the best conferences in the country. We all
know that, But do you feel like they get some
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some you know, favorable calls when it comes to the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (44:20):
Yeah. Maybe Again, I'm not in that room. I don't
I don't know exactly what. I hope I get to
hear here in a year. I'm going to ask what
went on in that meeting and I'll be able to
get an answer. But yeah, for right now, I mean,
they've got people in that room that's from all over
all conferences, and they all believe in their conference. Yeah,
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you know, so I don't have an answer to that.
I really don't.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Does does the draw of the team? You know, like
when you say Ohio State, I mean that's huge, right Indiana?
Make Okay, it's Indiana, but it's not Ohio State. Not
when you start talking about football, I see it the
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whole nil issue and what I think is a problem,
and even being who's who are you gonna put on TV?
Who's gonna be making all this money? Where's the money
coming from?
Speaker 6 (45:22):
To?
Speaker 4 (45:23):
I think what happens if you let this go too far?
And I'm curious to see if you agree with me.
We're gonna get the top and the bottom.
Speaker 6 (45:33):
We're gonna get the teams who have money behind them.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
They're gonna turn into the top teams, and then on
the bottom are going to be the teams that can't
get money, and all they've got are the guys who
can't get on other teams that can't leave their program
and go to another team. And I don't see why
we're not seeing this that you can't keep this going
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because all of your top players each and every year
are going to go somewhere else. And the team that
doesn't have any il who lost a great player in
their quarterback, maybe they're gonna have to get another quarterback
who's not gonna probably be that good, and they can't
afford to keep him even if he plays out, it
plays out and.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
It plays great consistency, consistency, you can't have it.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
You're not gonna be able to have any kind of consistency.
Speaker 7 (46:26):
I agree with you one hundred percent. And I started
this whole conversation by saying, there has to be some
We need to get a commissioner and a body below him,
right under him that are having these same conversations we're
having right now. I mean, it's there. I think everybody
thinks it's real. Everybody knows that it's real, just nothing
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has been done yet because it's a little bit like
a wild while lest right now, I think there'll be
some regulation come here in a year or two. I
really do. Uh if what we are all talking about
discussing right here comes to fruition that you have the
superpowers and then you have everybody else, you know, and
I think I don't think. I know some guys are
(47:10):
jumping to other jobs because they're gonna have unlimited resources.
You know, you guys have left a pretty good job
to take maybe what looks lateral to some people, But
if you look at the monies that that particular institution has,
it's not even close, you know, and you can google
(47:32):
that there are how much endowment money they have? And
what's the ad willing to give you? What's the president
willing to give you monetarily to buy your football team?
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Yeah, Like, I don't know how. I don't know how
you can get a contract that is like this out
of this world compared to any other coach, you know,
like Kipping, you know, like I mean, but I.
Speaker 8 (48:03):
Also say this, I think that just because you have
the money doesn't guarantee success.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
Right.
Speaker 8 (48:09):
We've seen what's Signetti, We seen what Jammy you, we
see what Tulane. Hell, even what Duke did. Duke won
the ACC championships. So just because you have the money,
because we seen like there is still a part of
football where you have to jail, you have to work
as a team, you have to have continuity among your
players and your staff. That still is value. And I
(48:30):
think what we're going to see over the long haul,
we're going to see sort of that bell curve where
we're gonna have this money and it's gonna be crazy,
and then it's going to come down to the other
side where people, organizations, eighties presidents, they're going to realize, hey,
we just can't throw money at this problem.
Speaker 6 (48:47):
Troy Aikman, he made a comment the other day.
Speaker 8 (48:50):
He was saying he wrote a check and they asked
him to write a check for one of them nil
deals for a quarterback, and the quarterback transferred. So I
think you're gonna have not only on that end, you're
gonna have donut fatigue. And you know, some companies aren't
going to get the ROI when it comes to, you know,
those endorsement deals that they think they're going to get,
particularly when you have players who have such fluidity of movement.
(49:12):
So I think we're just at a we're almost I
think at the tip of point, and I think it'll
come down to the other side. Well, we'll sort of
get back to reality.
Speaker 7 (49:20):
Yeah, I agree with you, And I think that the
quicker that we get a body involved of all the
things that we're kind of talking about, that'll happen sooner
than later. And what scares me to that is what
you guys brought up. I mean, we can't let it
get to the high school level. My goodness. I mean,
it's never gonna stop.
Speaker 6 (49:39):
You know, it's already there. I mean, it's already there.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
And wow, kind of implementing things in West Virginia without
really knowing what the ramifications will be. You know, it's
it's very general right now, but it's here. It's here.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
And the fear of that is what you hear of
inn Il Money. He's in college and and all of that.
You're thinking right out of the shoot. If I'm a
high school kid and I'm a really I'm the best
guy on my team and and and we've got nil,
what am I asking for or what am I thinking
(50:15):
I'm gonna get? You know, if I mean, if I'd
have got a thousand dollars, if I'd have got five
hundred dollars.
Speaker 6 (50:22):
I would have been doing flips.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
They're talking millions now they're gonna be asking for millions. Yeah,
and I just I just don't think.
Speaker 6 (50:34):
I just I just don't know that.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
And and I hope you guys are right that it
will it will all come to a head. My problem
is how far and how many athletes are we going
to have to go through before we get it?
Speaker 7 (50:51):
Mm hmmm. I concur with you. I'll tell you guys this.
When I was at Florida State, if if I heard
one more time, coach, I'm trying to get that bag.
Had I never ever hear that in my meeting room again?
I said, I lost my stuff during games? You know
they put on a backpack after an interception. That's what
(51:13):
you're supposed to do. Yeah, that stuff drove me crazy.
Speaker 8 (51:18):
Guys, Hey, speaking of interceptions, you uh, I think during
that championship season of a championship run, you led Marshall
with ten picks that season. I think that record still
stands for a Martiall record and for a conference record.
Speaker 6 (51:36):
In I correct, Yeah, I beat out.
Speaker 7 (51:39):
I was second in the country. And who beat me out?
Speaker 6 (51:42):
Who?
Speaker 7 (51:42):
Superman? Hell? Dean Kane?
Speaker 8 (51:45):
He had where did he play at though?
Speaker 7 (51:52):
Where did he play? He played that Division III?
Speaker 6 (51:54):
Right?
Speaker 7 (51:55):
No, no, he played the IVY she played it was it? Yell?
Speaker 8 (52:00):
Okay, that's some interesting trivia.
Speaker 7 (52:04):
Yeah, yeah, yes, Superman, Superman got me.
Speaker 5 (52:07):
I'm going to give you a hypothetical question here, coach, So,
since we're playing games, so, so when you were you
were with coach Tressell at Ohio State in two thousand
and one, right, and you were the defensive coordinator, and
you guys had a forteen eleven record, which is that's
that's pretty respectable. What would you have done in that
day in time if you had had access to nil
like Ohio State does today? I mean, can you imagine,
(52:31):
like what what kind of things could you have accomplished
with that type of revenue.
Speaker 6 (52:36):
To pay d man more?
Speaker 8 (52:39):
Shout out to Darius Scott Capitol high.
Speaker 7 (52:43):
Right, God, that's my god. Would have got some money,
for sure. We gave decent money.
Speaker 10 (52:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (52:51):
You know, one thing, the one thing that coach trust
was great about even if we had been in the
NLI era, uh, he would he would have managed that.
He would have done his best to manage it and
still keep the team concept. And I again, I look
at Georgia, and I think Kirby, with all the money
they have, all the money they are paying, he still
(53:14):
got his kids playing another They don't look like they're
playing as individuals. You know, they're playing complimentary football. I think.
I think Ryan Day's done a great job at Ohiose
State with that too as well.
Speaker 6 (53:28):
And one one story about d Man.
Speaker 8 (53:30):
I remember him coming back home for briefly in the summer,
and everybody knows Darian Scott. He was, like I said,
capitol football legend here. He's a great running back, great
basketball player and a linebacker. And I remember asking him
that summer. I was like, well, why did you move
the defensive line? You know what I mean? And it's
in his comment was like I was trying to get
(53:51):
on the field faster. So just talking to like if
we got parents listening or players listening, and because we
could talk all the nil stuf if you want, but
if you're not producing on the field, none of that's
not it's not even going to come to it's not
gonna mean nothing. So talking to parents, talking to maybe
players who listen, and what would you tell them about
(54:11):
like those decisions maybe you got to switch positions playing
other sports, different things of that nature.
Speaker 7 (54:16):
Well, selflessness, I mean, that's that's a lost art now nowadays.
A little bit you know you want to be you
know you don't want to be selfish. Whatever helps the
team and helps you in in return, no doubt. And
like we talked about earlier, I mean when I go
out recruiting, I love it when a guy tells me
he plays hoops or runs track or plays baseball. Parents
(54:42):
hear that I fell into that trap. I didn't. I
didn't play baseball my senior year in high school to
run track to get faster for football. And I'm not
so sure my best sport wasn't baseball. You maybe I
could have been Carl Lee of baseball, you know what
I mean, Because I wasn't good to football wise to
get where I wanted to go. But maybe baseball, you
(55:03):
know what I mean. So I think when I go out,
I love it when the coach tells me this kid
does this, this, this, this, and this. I tell you
something else that we that we look for too. If
for young folks listening, I went always went to the
cafeteria workers, the janitors. I want to know about that kid. Wow,
nobody was looking Yep, it's her at the highest level.
(55:26):
Now we're talking Ohio state right now, because we had
to pick the litter across the country, and I wanted
to know what the gender had to say about him,
the ladies in the cook line when he'd come got
his lunch, teachers, We we go that deep with it.
You know, in the NFL they go to the to
the police reports and things of that nature. But but
(55:47):
even those NFL scouts, I mean, it's amazing to watch
him walk around a facility and ask.
Speaker 9 (55:52):
About a kid, wow, and and football related and and
and parents need to understand that because when that scout
comes into the high school, say a colleague scout comes
into the high school to see your kid, it's not
it's as much as football or basketball or whatever the
(56:13):
sport that they're playing.
Speaker 4 (56:15):
You may think it's all about that, but that scouts
trying to get information. The question he's asking people is
not about what's happening on the field.
Speaker 7 (56:25):
Now we say that on film, We say that on film.
We don't need that. And exactly I would ask. I
would ask about the parents too, I sure would. I
wanted to know what was coming into my room. You
know what kind of kid. How was he raised? What
am I bringing into my thirteen or fourteen guys as
a position coach or my forty five guys as a
(56:47):
coordinator or one hundred and five guys as a head coach?
Speaker 5 (56:51):
So important? You don't want to destroy your locker room chemistry, you.
Speaker 7 (56:55):
Know, absolutely, yep, no doubt about it, No doubt about it.
That's and again I think that's the team that's going
to win this whole thing. We'll know here in a
few weeks who held it together the best and who
managed all the things that we're talking about the best.
Speaker 6 (57:09):
Mm hm.
Speaker 4 (57:10):
That's you know, I I I really When I when
I think about looking at at that.
Speaker 6 (57:18):
Piece of football, the.
Speaker 11 (57:20):
The parents side, the the off the field stuff, I
think it's a it's a it seems like that's a challenge,
but it should be just normal, right Like you know,
if if your goal, my goal was to play NFL football,
I didn't have any other interest, so there wasn't no
(57:42):
reason for me to try to be I didn't need
to be cool in school. I didn't need to be
tough in the in the alleys. I didn't need to
be none of that. I just wanted to be a
football player and play in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (57:55):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (57:56):
And if and if to me, I feel like there's
so much think there's so many different types of things
that kids think they want to be and or they
they find something that they want to be, but there's
so many other things that pull them.
Speaker 6 (58:08):
Off of that track.
Speaker 8 (58:11):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (58:12):
And because they're off there half the time they're off
that track, they're not putting enough time, not enough study
into what it is they want to be. And you
and if you want to be something, I mean to me,
I think you have to be all the time locked in.
Speaker 6 (58:30):
You know you can't. You can't.
Speaker 4 (58:31):
You can't say okay, well I'll I'll just do this
one time.
Speaker 6 (58:36):
No, you're probably not gonna do it this one time,
right right?
Speaker 7 (58:40):
Can we call it up with it?
Speaker 6 (58:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (58:45):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (58:46):
You know one last story I tell you guys, since
we're talking about d Scott. Uh you know Aaron Dobson
from right there in Charlis. Yeah, going back to the
all around sports. You know, he he had nobody fruiting him.
I was actually watching my daughter's cheer at Cabul Midland,
and this kid took over the basketball game right in
(59:09):
the second half, and I said, who is that kid? Right?
And they said, his parents are sitting right down there.
Because I always sat on the visitor side just so
I could, you know, be incognito and join my daughters.
Went down and I sat with his parents and asking
if he played football, and his dad said, hey, yay,
(59:31):
he plays wide receiver. And I said what school? And
I said, I'll be in there this week. Did he
catch any balls? And very few balls did he catch
in high school? Right? But I saw his demeanor on
the basketball corps another sport. I got to meet his parents.
Speaker 6 (59:48):
Great.
Speaker 7 (59:48):
Great, Now you have a Super Bowl ring, you know,
and that's you know, that's another story getting back to
being a enty sport guy. You know, especially in the
area when in our area there there's not a lot
of college coaches that come through there, you know. Yeah,
(01:00:10):
so you've got to stand out somehow someway, Well.
Speaker 6 (01:00:15):
Coach, we're gonna we're gonna let you go and we're
gonna get out of here. Man.
Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
I really really appreciated. We got a lot of good information.
And I hope a lot of the folks who are listening,
they they will they will hear a lot of the
things that you said and take take heed of it.
Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Thank you so much, coach.
Speaker 7 (01:00:31):
Thank you guys. It's so good to be talking to
folks at home. Stay warm up there.
Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
Happy holidays.
Speaker 7 (01:00:39):
Happy holidays to you guys.
Speaker 6 (01:00:41):
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Now, that's a guest right there. I know you know
what I'm saying that you're welcome. Thank you.
Speaker 6 (01:00:52):
No, I'm thanking you sincerely that that was really good.
Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
It's a nice human. I mean, he's just a genuine person,
I believe.
Speaker 6 (01:01:01):
And you know, and Holl's fun.
Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
It's funny to me because listening to him, he doesn't
really come off like like that hard nosed coach. But
I'm going to make the case that I think he
is pretty demanding in what he wants.
Speaker 7 (01:01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (01:01:14):
I mean, if you look at his resume, anybody Mark Snyder,
former head coach of Marshall, He's been Ohio State to everywhere.
He has a professional football coaching experience, so he's been
around the block. So I think he's one of those
guys who you know, not only from a player standpoint,
but from a collegiate standpoint and even maybe you know
hourly has an administrator as well. He has a well
(01:01:34):
rounded perspective on football and kind of where it needs
to go and what you need to do in order
to accomplish your goal.
Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Right, So, if you're listening, if you listen to this show,
he's your He's who you should be listening to because
I think he's telling you everything that you need to
know about your kid, trying to trying to find a
way in the sports.
Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
He's well rounded.
Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
All right, well, ladies and gentlemen, we appreciate you listen,
and we will be back again next week.
Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
If you fall, does it? Don't for get back up
for your feet. Anything could be a win, yup, even defeat.
The say shits a bath for you? Wise viveryy sweet
couldn't play with big kids.
Speaker 6 (01:02:34):
I had to sit in the street and watch from
a distance. But over time I grew. If I put
in the work.
Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
In no time, I'm doing everything that I worked and prayed.
Im mo kay if you ask me, how did I do?
What I'm gonna say. You gotta work, cry shine, it's
mine gotta show.
Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
Everybody is my time.
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
He ain't here.
Speaker 6 (01:02:51):
You gotta work, cry shine.
Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Never mind who talk of dime this day line, don't talk.
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