Let's Talk with Carl Lee - NFL Loyalty, Trades, and High School Redemption

Carl Lee, Hollis Lewis, and Lisa Otey dig into football loyalty—how fans choose their teams, and how trades like the Herschel Walker deal reshape franchises. The crew debates the Micah Parsons trade, ranks NFL contenders, and breaks down opening week in college football. Locally, they celebrate South Charleston’s first win in years under Coach Donnie Mays and what it means for the community.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
Welcome to Let's Talk with Carl Lee and frequent guest
hosts Hollis Lewis and Lisa Odie, where sports culture and
community intersect. Join the crew as they dive into engaging
conversations with guests from all walks of the sports life.
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on Let's Talk.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. This is Caraley with Let's Talk,
and I have in the building. I have Hollis Lewis
and my co host and Lisa to the Football Queen,
she's here also, so gentlemen and gentlemen and lady. One
of the interesting things that I have about this particular

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show is we've we have tried to figure out exactly
what we wanted to do and how we wanted to
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Y'all not listening. No, we're not. We're definitely not trying
to listen to you.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
And hopefully hopefully you know we're We're gonna have coach
Donnie Mays on and obviously he's finishing up practice. But
one of one of the things, because I get this
question about I get this question all the time, like
who is your favorite team? Okay, so the automatic thing

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requires me to say the Vikings. And when I think
about the Vikings and my favorite team, I go back
as a child. I was a Browns fan, and I
was a Browns fan because that's for the most part,
that's all that you got to see was, you know,
the Browns, maybe Cincinnati, maybe Pittsburgh, but for whatever whatever

(02:15):
it was, it was always going to be for me,
it was always the Browns. And I can remember Paul Warfield,
Leroy Kelly, like just all of those old school names.
And so it made me think, like what makes you

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get or what has caused you to want to have
that team as your favorite team?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
And I know Hollis is kind of like leaning.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Already, like he already knows I'm gonna make him have
to hold that Lisa, and I already kind of know
where you're going, but I'm curious about it. I'm curious
to find out who is your favorite professional football team
and why how did you get there?

Speaker 2 (03:03):
A good story about where how you got there?

Speaker 5 (03:05):
You know, I don't know that. I can't pinpoint the
exact moment. I was probably twelve or thirteen years old,
and you know, watch the Steelers a lot. A lot
of my friends were Steelers fans, you know, as they
still are today.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
But it was the Packers that did it for me.
I don't know. I like the tradition.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
I liked that the fact that you know, they have
this this history, is this history behind them.

Speaker 6 (03:29):
I've been to lambeau Field. It's it's amazing.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
I like the fact that there's not one specific owner
that the fans own the team. You know, it's it's
just a it's a it's a cluster of things that
made me become a Packer fan.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
But you know, and and they always have good quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
They do now they have good defensive line.

Speaker 7 (03:55):
Can we can go right there see part part?

Speaker 2 (04:00):
You know.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
I would like to think, you know that that the
two of you all and myself have been friends for
a long time, that there'd be some kind of way
that there'd be like a piece of you, like saying
like you know, I do like the Vikings.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
It didn't know. I grew up.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
I grew up a forty nine Ers fan, and I
think it was two parts, right. They were good at
the time when I first started like watching and getting
involved with football, and then through like football and baseball
and basketball card collecting. So when I was little, that
was huge, you know what I mean. And I think
we came up in the age where ESPN was just starting.

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So at that point, like I remember, like in fourth grade,
like I don't know if it was like the cloud
the boys in the class did it, but like it
was at that point in which we all just like
designated our team, like okay, you got to pick your
team now, right, So I think you know of a
common nation of things, and you know, I like, to
your point quarterbacks Joe Montana and Jerry Rice was just

(05:05):
super cool to me. So it's a forty nine you
know that personal that has a little has a little
field to be over here. This might be your last
yoh yeah man, every show I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
But yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
I think it was just you know, that was it,
Like it was Magic Johnson. He had the flare right
right in Cincinnati Red because I liked Eric Davis and
Sable on those guys. So, you know, it was a
combination of who was good at the time, the time
that I, you know, started watching and getting involved in
sports and then sports card collecting. So I was like,

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it's a combination of the three.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
So question.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
To your team and your excitement for it. Do you
have a moment when you were like, that's it, I'm
done with it.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
That's something that.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
Like, I think it was a couple of years ago
when the Pack was in the well. They actually they
were in the playoffs and if they would have won
the game, they would have gone.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
I think it would have the NFC Championship.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
They played the forty nine ers against Yeah, that was
the NFC Championship a couple of years ago. Right when
they lost by field goal, all kids, I was beyond crushed.
Like the next day, I get up out of bed
and I take my cheesehead and all my packer stuff
and I put it in a trash bag and I
took it to the trash can. And luckily my husband

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Jerry was watching through the window and he went and
he saved it for me because after I got over it,
I was like, oh my gosh, I threw my stuff away,
you know. But no, that for me, that was just
because I thought, this is the only opportunity they're ever
going to get to get that close to the Super
Bowl again. Boy, I think I was wrong because I
think this year might be their year.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
I think for me it was like the whole Kaepernick
thing being a forty nine Ers fan, like, you know,
particularly we had just win at the Super Bowl and
then you know, thing happened on Kaepernick. And I am
a huge Jim Harball fan. I am a huge He's
one of the best coaches in football. To me, like
everywhere he goes, he wins. Everywhere he goes, he's improving

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your quarterback situation. From San Diego State to you know,
San Diego Now to Michigan to forty nine Ers to Stanford.
Everywhere that dude goes, he wins. And I like the
way in the style in which he coaches I think
is very He gets the most out of his teams
and players and wherever he goes, if you notice, he
always leaves the program better than he finds it. So

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after those two things. I was like just done with
the nineties and I'm not really you know, I still
like him, but I'm more of just a general fan.
And I would never you know, I'm a Laker for life.
So I am a Laker and they can never ever
do anything that made me turn in those colors. But
you know, it was kind of a combination of the
cap in Jim barholl excuse me, Jim Harball thing and see,

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and I was a Browns fan, and I was a
Browns fan pretty much because that's that was my dad's team.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
And you know, so I grew up and I was
always and I.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Can remember tons and tons of time crying because they lost,
right Like I mean, I'm like, like it.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
Was it was a big deal.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
It was a big deal.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
Like and the Browns were good, you know, and you
know a loss was like devastating to me. But as
I got older, by the time I got to Marshall,
I kind of got away from like really like really
watching it. And actually because I was playing it at
you know, at a college level and and I didn't

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have to, like it was almost I felt like it
was almost too much football for me. Yeah, and and
so then you just didn't.

Speaker 8 (08:45):
I did.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
I really didn't have time for it.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
And then once I actually get drafted, I get to
Minnesota and I go through that time span and then
when I when I come back, Like you know, I'm
trying to figure out, like, am I supposed to be
a Viking fan, a diehard Viking fan because I played
for them. Am I supposed to be a die hard
Marshall fan because I played for them? Am I supposed

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to be a diehard South Charleston fan because I played
for them? Do you guys think that you that you
should have to be locked into the team that you
played for or is there opportunity to be for something else?

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Dude, you're a Viking.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
I mean if you were like one of those it
was uh, it was talking about a quarterback I forget.
His name is Johnson that he's played for like ten
different teams. So for him, it's like whatever. But I
think for you, yeah, you live for ten different teams,
so he probably can just go bad. But you know,
but he's good. It's thirty nine, he's been in the
league for you know, almost twenty plus years, you know.

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But for you, because you had such a story career,
you were there for what like eleven years?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, all but one. Yeah,
so you're a Viking man, so it's like you ain't
got to turn the corner.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well, I mean, I don't wish Vikings anything negative, you know,
and but I don't.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
But well, of.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Course that is because of the Viking.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I can't.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
I can't excey you are a Vikings fan.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
I can't acce I would never be happy one between
you and Sterling. There's no there's no way that I
could ever really root for the Packers.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
That could be, that could never happen.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
And now we have a reason maybe you shouldn't be
practice because they have Michael Parsons. So what what And
again you you have said, you know, far as negotiating
with gender managers, you kind of said, and past shows
how difficult it is and different things of that nature.
Now I want to ask you something about this trade
because one of the things that j Jones said is

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that this is going to be like the second quote
unquote herschel Walker trade. Now they got for Michael Parsons,
they got what two first round draft picks. They save
money and that's it, right, Yeah, is so it's two
first round draft picks, the ability to sign more players.
Do you think it can have the same impact has

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the herschel Walker trate. Yes, here's the thing. Well, let
me ask you this question. I'll ask you both this question.
How are you looking how are you viewing the herschel
Walker trade. I mean it was the reason why the
Cowboys won three Super Bowls? Okay, I think that there
is no It makes no sense to build another team

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in a trade like that, because really what you're doing
is you're you're helping that team become a Super Bowl. Yes,
you are you saying the Packers are helping the Cowboys,
or the Cowboys are helping the pack whoever's lead, whoever
sending the number of players. Okay, you're getting you're getting
right now. Talent draft picks is not a guarantee. Okay,

(11:56):
you see saying you can't guarantee.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
You don't know what. You have no clue what you're gonna.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Get a thing, Michaeus Young.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
And the thing with the Cowboys to me, with Michael Parsons,
with dak with Ceedee Lamb, with all the pieces that
they were, it seemed like they were ready to win
now and now you've seen that to the Packers who
might be ready to win now.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, but okay, so here's here's the question I want
to throw out to you guys, because I don't know anything.
So when they traded Micah, he was going he wasn't
practicing with the team due to to back issues quote.
But now they're saying that he's in Green Bay of course,
and he's practicing and he's supposed to get like injections.
So maybe there is some truth to the rumors about

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his back. I mean, doesn't the team give a physical?
Don't they have to do a thorough physical before you
do any kind of trade?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, they do.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
But but let's be honest that the truth we can
never really get to the true ry Jays, not even
because of that.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
It's just it's just the league.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
You know, you're going to get part of the story
or the best part of the story that they The
story that they is is the best way to your point.
Hollis again about a team that was we were right
thereout y'all got we went and made the herschel Walker trade.
We were right there. Okay, what what pieces did you?

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Can you remember the pieces that y'all gave up, gave up.
That really hurts, y'all. We gave up, We gave up.
We gave up three three linebackers, all starters. Okay, you
gave up three lines week start starter starters. So is
this like your like your middle strong and weak or it.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Was it was?

Speaker 4 (13:37):
It was it was strong week, and we had one
that was with the We played the four three, so
we had two outside and we had one inside.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
So one of our inside and our two outsides gave up, y'all.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
Corey, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
We gave up. We gave up.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
We gave up a corner. Who was who is the
guy that I've talked to before. You guys have heard
me say who I thought was the best corner I've
ever seen. They got rid of him as well, and
he was he was the nickel guy. He was a
starter and then was a nickel guy also for us,
you got rid of him. I mean, so you're talking

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about like we gave up starters. And see, this is
why I wanted to because you were there, like you,
you were there to like say talking he made And
I can remember the first day walking into the locker
room and seeing Herschel's locker and him there at his locker. Okay,
so naturally you you know, you want to be cordial

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because because like I'm like thinking, like.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
You're you're you're banking on this guy to to take
us over the hunt. Well, we're already over the humph.
And how many years deep were you in it this time?

Speaker 4 (14:48):
I'm in I'm in eighty forty five six I think
I think it was like around eighty seven or so,
so I'm I'm five years yeah, about five or six
years in.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
And this is from what you're saying, like, this is
your chance to like ya, right, we're there. You were
already we're looking at this and we're thinking we are there.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
And when you trade your starters, I mean I just
noticed support. You can't just have the star Mike.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Mike Lynn was the general manager the T.

Speaker 6 (15:20):
And I mean crazy.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Darren Nelson, who was a multiple threat in the backfield.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
They got rid of him.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
I mean it was so they got rid of your
starting three linebackers are guys who played. They got rid
of your nickel corner, and they got rid of your
running back and running back and there's somebody else in
that there's somebody want that player. Yes, that's like your core,
your team. It was the quarterback, everything and everything that
was important. We gave up. And you know what, Dallas

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and Dallas got rid of all of them when they
when they went to Dallas, Dallas cut them.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
They wanted to. All they cared about was a draft pick.
And y'all gave up draft picks.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
Yes, So y'all gave up like play simply five starters
and draft picks.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yes. So yeah, this ain't like to.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
So it was this was I mean, I'm telling you
this was like and and my name had come up
as a possibility of being part of that trade.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
But again.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
For us, we were right there, like we we're coming
off the NFC championship.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Game also the year before.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Yes, yes, we we do this after after that game,
after the US making a huge run, and then we're
gonna we're gonna. I guess what the thoughts were, We
can get rid of all these players and we get
Herschel take us over the top.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
How do you do that with your i mean, without
your team, without your team?

Speaker 4 (16:51):
So look, does does the Micah Parson trade to the
Packers make the Packers a Super Bowl contender?

Speaker 5 (16:59):
I think it increases their chances immensely. And here's here's
here's what I think, and I this is what I'm
this is my opinion of it. Last year, the Green
Bay Pickers, they were the youngest team in the NFL, right,
and they got a lot of experience last year going
to the playoffs. You know, they've got that under their
belt now. And and also, in all fairness, you know,

(17:21):
Jordan loves a good quarterback, but he was hurt most
of the season last year. He struggled all year with
some kind of a growing injury on and off and
then other things.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
And you know, if they can keep.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
Him healthy and the Michael Parsons is healthy, which you know,
like I said, there's always those rumors about the back issues.
I think they have a legitimate shot at least winning
the NFC North.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
So let me ask you this, like what is up
with like owners and general managers like giving up prime talent,
Like you look at Luca gone money, you look at Thibodeau,
Tom Thibodeau got that team New York Knits, The Males gone,
Michael madd gone. They're paying other people like why back
in our day, back in our day, So you get

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rid of all of those paychecks and you drop it
all into her shows.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
That's insane. You drop it off into his pocket. But
so it ain't money, then how was the money if
you if.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
You spend it, because because the the idea is he's
the guy, he's gonna he's gonna be the guy that's
gonna take you. Now, first day, first day of practice,
first day of practice is always a must do right,
like you you gotta come out, you got to show something.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
And brother, I'm.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Watching him now, could he run me? If it's me
and him in a tackle drill, He's probably gonna run
over me. He's standing straight up, he's tip he's like
running on his like tippy toes, and he ain't really
like bending this beat, not bending his knees or nothing.
And I'm like, well, how's he gonna you know, super fast,
super big? Yeah, but he ain't the guy like he ain't.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Gonna break I don't.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
I mean, you did make the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
No we went no, no we lost in the NFC
Championship game.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
But you did make the NFC Championship game with them.
But you've done that the year before, we had done
that before that.

Speaker 6 (19:11):
Had him.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, I don't even know if we made. I don't
even know if we got through the first round.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Of the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
Oh wow, okay, if.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
We even got there. My memory is horrible.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
So all the listeners just for you, just so that
you know, somebody had to google that.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, but it was it.

Speaker 6 (19:28):
Was so it wasn't worth it.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Maybe two years maybe he I mean he didn't.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
I mean, you're looking at lockers and guys that you
knew what they could do, you knew how well they played,
and we were part of a team, you know, and
all of a sudden, a general manager makes this decision
out of the blue and cuts half your and cuts
half the team well or trades them away.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
And eventually, like I said, when they went to Dallas.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
So that was the beginning of the end for you guys.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yes, yes, really.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
What year was that?

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Year?

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Nine?

Speaker 4 (20:04):
And he had he played in eleven games and had
six hundred and sixty nine yards average four point four
periods of the game.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
They had five touchdowns.

Speaker 6 (20:14):
Not worth it the record.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
And what do you what do you say to that?

Speaker 6 (20:20):
Like, yeah, I mean you don't.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
I mean, I guess every time the NFL, you know,
these teams make a trade, it's a gamble. I mean,
if it's a roll of the dice, you don't you
don't know for sure. Look, you know, we don't know
what Aaron Rodgers is going to do for the Steelers.
There's a lot of hype with that going on, you know,
with Michael Parsons coming to us.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
I think it's I think it's a good trade. But
we did lose.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
I think Kenny Clark just somebody could google that, but
we we had to give up one of our starting players.
We did give up one with with the first round
draft picks maybe somebody coming.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
And I really do think that draft picks are are gambles, Yeah,
but it's a gamble worth taking. When to me, at
that point in time, Herschel had not done like what
had he done to be worthy of draft picks?

Speaker 5 (21:11):
And he was on foot Bowl teams in Dallas, right, No, no, no, oh, okay,
I got that information wrong.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
They were pretty bad. Yeah. I don't I don't think.
I don't.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
I don't think he had done anything the stacular the
first year him with the Minnesota Wakings. You guys were
ten and six and you lost in the first You
wanted to actually won the NFC Central Division, But you
guys lost in the first round to the to the
forty nine ers.

Speaker 6 (21:38):
Pallis was probably sharing for the time watch.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I'm sure he watched that game.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
You know.

Speaker 6 (21:44):
Oh gosh, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
But just just for you, Hollis, just to make you,
just to bring you down just a little bit because
you just because you wanted to make sure.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
But you made the Pro Bowl that year, you know, Yeah, okay,
I appreciate that. I a little bit. I'm looking for
the team part of this.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Supposedly, when the forty nine ers was the best team ever,
that's the year that we we we beat them. Just
in case you know what year was that. That was
the year before eighty eight. Who they did. Huh they
didn't win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
We didn't win in an eighty eight.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
And again, my years, all my years are all messed
My years are all messed up. But the year that
we beat them, they were considered one of the best
teams in the league. Just so just so you know, okay, okay,
what about the whole and we did shut him down.
You can go look up and stacked if you want.
Oh no, that was a I'm sorry, that was the
riskins I should have known that. But Doug Williams. Yeah,

(22:43):
that's right, that's right.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
If you guys had a chance, this is the tis
the season for power rankings in the NFL. Have you
guys looked at any It's kind of like, and you
guys correct me completely if I'm wrong. So the NFL
really doesn't do like official power rankings. It's more like
your your media outlets like CBS and and they're they're
like correspondence go and they give their picks. And I

(23:04):
came across some today and I just thought I'd maybe
share a couple of them and then.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Just I'm just gonna assume.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
So we've got we've got the forty nine ers coming in,
uh And basically I looked at several I looked at
several power rankings from different media outlets. They were all
pretty close, give or take a couple of spaces. So
we've got the.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
Forty nine ers coming in at number nine. That's not bad.
You might have a good year. Might might.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
But we have the Vikings coming in fourteen h so
kind of middle of the pack. Speaking of pack, we
have the Packers at number four. And this was CBS's
Pete Crisco I think is his name. He's there correspondent
for the NFL. So he and let me let me
tell you he went further. I read the whole article.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I'm sure you did.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Once I saw that, it kind of peaked my interest.
So his pick for the Super you can't look.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
She's so excited. If you are at the listeners could.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
See, oh they can them up so well.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
I was excited for part of it and then not
part of it. But he feels like this is going
to be the year for a Bills Packers Super Bowl
with the Bills winning at all. Wow, he's a pretty
repud but he says, now, this is if everybody stays healthy.
Josh Allen's got to stay healthy. You know, same with
Jordan Love. I don't know, I feel good about this team.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
I think.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Sorry, I don't. I think that's true, But you know
I would. I would definitely have the the Eagles up there.
I'm going quarterback. I would have the.

Speaker 6 (24:34):
Eagles are number one and almost everybody.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
I would have the Chiefs upper I'm telling you, I'm
going to have if everybody can stay healthy, I would
have san Diego uper. I think Jim Harball he's proven that.
You give him a couple of years. Year two the
dramatic improvements happened. So I would have to be looking
for the San Diego.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Chargers up there.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah, and I would be looking if if Michael Parsons
can stay on the field, you gotta get a packer something,
because I mean, that's a legit. You'd a meant, you know,
eleven to maybe fifteen sacks. That changes the complexity of
what you do offense. And if Jordan Love can stay healthy,
I mean, and you got to put the pack up
and you know, hopefully, I mean, I don't know what

(25:13):
you know, because I'm kind of semi rooting for the Bengals,
but you know, if we can get an offensive line
to do to protect a little bit, then.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
They were around eleven and most of them.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
See but see to those rankings, I think.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
I think teams that are I think it's difficult for
teams that are ranked or it has the expectation to
be the Super Bowl team.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
I think they have pressure, a lot of pressure.

Speaker 6 (25:40):
I think walk through the door they had pressure.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Well, yeah, yeah, because you can't falling short and you
play and you lose an NFC championship game.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
That's not falling short. No, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
I mean you did a lot. I mean you team, Yeah,
you got to that point. But people see that as like, oh,
they didn't make it.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
We had that conversation before, like you're talking about the Steelers,
Like it's different types of fan bases, the fan bases
of the Chiefs.

Speaker 6 (26:08):
If they don't win the super Bowl, it's been a
bad year.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
If you're a Giants fan and you make the playoffs,
you know, I mean, it's it's all about.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
And you're looking forward to next season. Yeah, and I
think you mentioned the Steelers too.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
I mean, you know, I'm not necessarily the biggest Aaron
Rodgers fan, but I think he's coming back with something
to prove, you know what I mean, and still as
they already have a solid organization from what everybody said,
they were quarterback away. So I think he's gonna come
back with the vengeance bar and that he can stay healthy.
So that might be that's.

Speaker 6 (26:38):
Their key, Kep saying, and that really is the key
for almost every team.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yes, you're you.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Got to protect him because he can't get out of
the pocket, so he's a standing target.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Teams are gonna know it, what are they gonna do?
We're gonna blitch you.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
Yeah, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
I don't know if you blitz him because he's you apart,
because he can he got that quick release, he got that.
He still got that quick really and he's sitting in
the gun. I think you have to zone scheme him.
You got to come up with some razzle dazzle now,
I think if you again, no, we're getting technical. But
I don't think playing zone against him. I think that's

(27:20):
where he can pick you apart. Why becaun't like zone?
And then you like maybe showing zone. You go to man,
you show me anything. You gotta give him some clouds.
You gotta play with him. You gotta play with him
a little bit for sure. You know, it's like a
straight up zone. You would get dingy yeah himself.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
And at the.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
Bottom of the list, guys, let's go there. Let's just
see who's hanging around at the end. Got the Saints
at number thirty two and Browns thirty one, and those
two kind of were interchanged and different and just you know,
you know what, especially the Browns.

Speaker 6 (27:54):
I mean, I don't I like the Browns.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
I don't grow up like a die hard, like I'm
crying when they when they and It amazes me to
this to the point of like, how how have you
gone this far down and just and you're staying there And.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
They've tried, they've tried so many different things with you know,
the draft and trading players, and they still can't get
out of that.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Yeah, I just don't. I don't to me when like again,
you know, I'm definitely novice, just kind of watching them
the sidelines, But it just seems like the good organizations
they build sort of from the ground up, so they
don't go necessarily for flash They'll start with those offensive linemen,
they'll start with those defensive linements, the non flashy positions.
They'll establish that foundation and didn't just build out slowly

(28:41):
and steadily where it just I mean, hell, excuse me.
The Browns had the grounds had five, but they had
five quarterbacks. I mean it's just you draft, you're gonna
draft a quarterback in the third round, and you draft
a quarterback in the fifth round. It's just like, man,
you're not serious.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Well to your point, look at look at Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Nobody was watching Kansas City as Kansas City was building facts.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
That's a fact, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, they were year and year out they get this guy.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
They get this guy, and then all of a sudden
you're like looking at him and you're like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Who can beat them? Where did they get that corn?
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
GM's gms and and coaching matters, like it matters. I
think when you look at good organizations, you always have
a good GM and a good coach associated or just
a dynamic quarterback like a Brady. Even like what Tampa
Bay is doing. I think Tampa Bay is going to
They may not win the Super Bowl, but they're going
to be in the mix in the NFC South. So

(29:47):
you know, I don't know, man, And I think to
your to your GM conversation, I mean I can validate that, yeah, yeah, right.
In fact, when you start to talking about a GM
and you you've got to have a GM that players
are you know, everybody's not going to get the contract

(30:08):
that they want, but for the most part, the team
is going to be happy because the players are going
in getting the contracts getting back out on the field.
You might have one or two, but you can't have
a general manager where you that guys are talking.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
About in the locker room.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Hey, the vikings with with Mike Lynn, like nobody wanted
to even deal with him on a contract, right because
he was just so like when when when you say
to somebody, if you don't like this contract, you can
go drive a bus, like and I said that before,
you know, so when you you know, when you.

Speaker 6 (30:53):
Kept calling and Michael, did you see the press kept
calling it?

Speaker 7 (30:56):
Michael, Come on, when you have that kind of gen,
it's hard to win because the because your players are
holding on to the fight that you had for the contract,
the words that the GM's saying, you know, like why
is he even talking?

Speaker 2 (31:13):
You know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Back in the day, it wasn't it wasn't like GM's
had a lot of space to talk. But Mike Linn
would he would steal it just purposely to say something stupid,
just for the players to dislike him even more because
I really felt like he was the kind of guy
that didn't want you to actually like him.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
And I think that's so he.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
Doesn't get a Christmas card from you.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
What you're saying, no, no, no.

Speaker 7 (31:42):
You know, God rest is so but no, it was
just even then, Yeah, it just was It was.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Just a bad It was just a bad situation. You
know that.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
I think most of the players felt that the worst thing,
that the worst thing of professional football was to have
to go in and meet with Mike Lynn and try
to get a deal. That was That was the worst
That was the worst part of it. All Right, Well,
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Speaker 2 (33:37):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
And uh I'm for the first time. I guess I
got a chance to have a basically almost a half
a show talking about the biking that God was good
because you had you had a perspective, just like I said,
because you were there during the first quote unquote herschel
Walker trade.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Now we're in walking number two.

Speaker 6 (34:00):
So it's cathartic for you. Wasn't yes, it was yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
I just I wanted to touch on you know, opening week
of college of football. It was just it was it
was like a highlight reel. I mean, it was everything
you wanted and then some you know, there was something
for everybody. You had close games, you had upsets, you
had you know, outside of the game, you had you know,
the Lee Corso his his final college game day show. Uh,

(34:27):
Bill Belichick coming out for his first game since NFL.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
I mean, it was just so much stuff.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
It was.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
It was a great opening weekend.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
So you know, maybe we could just start with our
local teams because you know, we had we had two big,
big games going on with WVU and Marshall and I'll
just throw this out here to you guys, but you know,
I just felt like let's start with WU. You know,
they they looked the second half like they're they're going
to have a decent season.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Now.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
The first half they had the fumbles, they had like
three fumbles. You know, once they worked out the kinks
of that. They were kind of in control. Marshall and Athens,
we just can't they were out of control. It was
it was just an ugly game. What were your thoughts
on those games?

Speaker 4 (35:09):
I mean, you know, it's kind of hard to tell
because you have one team WVU, who was clearly, you know,
a dominant team to an FCS opponent, and then you
have Marshall who was clearly outclassed by FBS opponent. So
it's one of them situations in which I don't really
know what you have right now. So I think it's

(35:29):
going to be like once you get into lead player,
once you get two opponents who are you kind of
on your same level, if you will, then you'll be
able to kind of see what it is. Because even
to the point where like Marshall, they beat Notre Dame
a couple of years, they played all the way up
and then once they got the conference, you really kind
of saw who they were. So even a loss or
win at that higher level, I don't really know if

(35:50):
it tells you anything. So I didn't really get much
out of that, And a lot of times in the
first week you got quote money games. Oh for sure,
somebody Marshall. Marshall's definitely was in money. They were both
wearing money games. W was playing Marshall, and I think

(36:10):
the coach understands that how this game is going to go.
You know, now, does is there a chance that you
can win the game, Yes, but if you you're not
taking that game, if you don't have the money, yeah, you.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
Know, and Marshall, in all fairness to them, I mean,
I totally agree. We don't know what they'll look like
in conference play either. Either team lost their whole team,
but they lost their whole team and they have a
brand new coaching staff and they walk into the lions
Den first game. I mean, that was That's a tough,
tough thing and most teams couldn't hang with Georgia.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
And that's the thing I watched Saturday. I literally watched
football from noon to midnight, and I watched Southern Miss
so I've got to I got to see Marshall ye down.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
So I said.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
They were wearing green and white, so.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
They might as well just had a little green on.
So I got to see them a little bit. But
you know, I don't know what we got. But you know,
like I said, outside of those two games, was some
huge games. We had Texas and Ohio State arch manning.
He looked, he looked very uncomfortable for three of the
four quarters, very uncomfortable. Yes, again again, i'd I'll say
the same thing. You don't know what you really have.

(37:14):
I think you know that first game, Jitters, they're playing
in the big house. Well they're playing Ohio State, and
you know, I think he's going to be good later.
But he definitely looked a little shake. And you know
what everybody's going to do is everybody's going depress it.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Everybody's gonna come in attacking Blitze and make.

Speaker 6 (37:32):
Him uncomfortably happen.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah, he because if he has a chance to be great,
we're not going to give it to you on our
on our watch. We're gonna make you as uncomfortable as
we possibly can. And then once you see that on
film of how you responded to that, Oh, we're definitely
gonna do that. But I think he'll be better. I
think because he's going to watch the film too. The highlight,

(37:54):
his highlight was he had about ten commercials.

Speaker 6 (37:57):
Yes, and I always was the strong.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Let me let me say something about that. Okay, here's
here's my problem. With with with a player having a
commercial during a game that he's playing.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
I just don't see how that's.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
You know, because ethical just it just doesn't just seem
it just doesn't seem right to me. It is coaches
got commercials during the game. I just I guess I'm
too old school to to to think that that's something
that's okay. And I don't want to change the subject,
but I just like, I just don't see the idea.

Speaker 6 (38:39):
Do we see that typically in college football though?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
I mean I've seen it a lot last year.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
Reason maybe because of the of the you know, so
many of them. Maybe that's why it kind of caught
my attention this time. But I don't remember as many
last year.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
I think, I want to say, Jayden, well not last year,
maybe the year before is when I started to see.
I want to say, like Jayde and Daniels had like
a power Aide commercial. So I've started seeing. But I
think this is going to be the norm. I mean,
because this is when you're going to sell the products.
So if you're looking for your return on investment, I
want to have the commercial when the kids playing, when
the eyes are watching.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
And now that they have that cap that's the way
the players are going to make most of their money.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
And I like this better. To me, I like this better.
There's just some collective just paying. Yeah, you know, like
at the very least, this is a true NIL. If
I'm going to promote products and use my name, image
and likeness, I like it. So I don't mind it
at all.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
I don't like it during the same game they're playing,
I don't like that part. Yeah, that's how Yeah, I mean,
the fans of the players.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
Are going to be watching.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
That's where you're going to get the most most because
I think if you have an NIL, even at West Virginia,
how it's set up. If I'm a company and if
i got some superstar athlete, then I'm trying to promote
I have him in my shirt, on my clothes. I'm
going to have the commercial when they when they're playing,
I want to I want that spot. So the people
who are watching them, Oh that's so and so he's

(39:55):
playing the game. Let me go buy.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
You know, what do you guys think about FSU upsetting Alabama?

Speaker 6 (40:00):
Those fans they're big mad. Yeah, they're big mad.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
I've seen some videos that were pretty hilarious on social
media about how the fans are reacting.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah, I think that's it's big for for to say
I love the parody like of college football. To me,
that's why I like this weekend of college football because
it really showed parody. We don't necessarily know who's going
to be good, we don't know who's going to be bad.
There was obsess to this army got you know, it's
all these upsetting, all these things happening. So it really
sets it up for these next twelve or so weeks

(40:30):
to say, you know, we really get to watch this
soaproper playout. Let me ask this question to both of
you all to be a positive potential positive response on nil.
Do you think this structure is based off of nil
and why these games are so close and teams are
upsetting other teams? Is it because of nil? Or do

(40:54):
you think it's just is it just in spite of it?
I don't think it has anything to do with nil,
I think, well I say that, let me take that back.
I think it has to do with just a transfer portal,
because like if you're like for example, even if like
if you're coach Belichick, you're coaching the Tar Hills back
in the day, he would have had the opera He's
gonna If he had a seventy eighty man roster, he

(41:15):
probably would have had seventy players from the year before,
so he could have went back watched the tape of
all those guys see exactly what they had, and he
would have been able to implement a plan moving forward
to capitalize on the strengths and weaknesses. But now you
got forty guys coming in from forty different places, so
it's hard to you know. And to your point, NIL

(41:36):
may have something to do that if I can get
a better deal here or there.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
So and did they implement the rule this year this
year with the cap of nil the twenty million for
each school?

Speaker 6 (41:47):
Was it twenty or twenty five million?

Speaker 4 (41:49):
I think that's from what I understand. I don't know
if it's gonna be implemented this year or next.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
Year, okay, because I was thinking maybe that could make
a difference, and you know what we're seeing. I was
pleasantly shocked to see the upsets and the games being
as close as they were, because we're all used to
seeing the SEC teams just come in and dominate, and
it wasn't that way this weekend. So you know, I'm
kind of, you know, optimistic. I could say that maybe

(42:15):
this season it won't be as you know, divided into
the halves and the have nots.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah, and I like it that way. I don't like
I mean everybody. I mean, if you talk to anybody
in South, of course, they want the SEC to dominate.
I don't like that. I don't like when you have
one conference just running through everybody. I like when the
ACC is good and Big twelve, you know, the Big twelve.
I like when you know, we don't know who's gonna
come out of what. I want to see a good
mix in the playoffs. So we what is it, twelve teams?

(42:40):
So if you have twelve teams, I want to see
them spread out among conferences, you know, outside of the
four champions. All right, let me so I'm gonna I'm
going to ask this question to both of you and
see if you think this would to get to get
to what I think you want. What if NIL was
let's say capped at just the random number a million dollars,

(43:02):
so every team has a million dollars that can spend
on an il.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
I think that's the way it's gonna be moving, It's
gonna be moving. Do you think that.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Do you think that in its own right can help
balance out the team? I don't think nil is the issue.
The issue is the movement, the transferring of the players.
But I'm transferring because I'm getting more money. You may
or you may not be right, so I think. But
even if you can only you know if you had
a lout one transfer something today that I was watching

(43:31):
something online. This kid is quarterback. He'd been to six
different schools. See that's that makes no sense. So I
think it's the movement that that hurts the continuity because
to your point, which and I'm kind of contradicting myself,
but it's a good thing and a bad thing because.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
Now they need to limit it.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Yeah, but now Alabama does doesn't get the stock up
players you know, all have to work to get. They
got to work to get them. So now if I'm
that third string running back and I may be getting two, three,
four touches a game, I can go to the next
school at the same level. I ain't gotta go down.
I can go to l s U. I can go
to Michigan State, I can go somewhere else.

Speaker 6 (44:06):
They can also work against the team.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
You know what I mean in combination with the nil
because we've talked about this, the Marshall team in the
nineties with with Chad Pennington and Randy Moussel that would
have never existed in this day and age of transfer
portal combined within il, it can be a good and
it can be negative.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
See, and I don't and to that point, Lisa like,
I don't think that that's that's a good thing because
those guys ended up well at least for sure, Randy
dropped into Marshall, right, and now he drops there because
if coach brewittt now the question is if that's today, Yeah,
he would. Does coach Brewitt have the funds to to

(44:45):
attract him?

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah? And I'm going to say, no, what other games
do we have?

Speaker 6 (44:50):
Let's see. So there was fsu.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
I said, oh, let's talk about Bill Belichick man and
the u n C against TCU.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
So tell us, tell us what your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
I'm gonna record and say it. I think he's and
this is going to be blasphemy. He's an overrated coach,
I think again. And that's and that's unbelievable to say
about a seven time Super Bowl champion. But I think
if you look at Bill Belichick's record, outside of Bill
Parcells and outside of Tom Brady, he's average, mediocre best
as a coach, and I and I do and I

(45:22):
don't see a situation in which, again and again it's
a little disadvantage in my eyes, where you have a
basically a whole new team because of and all that.
But I don't see a situation in which the tar
Hills are going to be good this year and I
think he's going to be gone in two to three.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
That's my mold. I think. So I think, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
I think again, outside of Bill Parcels and Tom Brady,
he's not a good he's a he's an average head coach.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
And you know, it could be that tcu' is that good,
I mean, has been good for a while, so you know,
we may be seeing something that you know, maybe some
previews of championships at the you know, conferences level conference levels.
But you and C I mean, it's like you said,
it's way too early. You can't really say whether or not,
you know, U n C is gonna be good or

(46:09):
not good, and same for TCU.

Speaker 6 (46:11):
But TCU look pretty strong. They did, they dominated I don't.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Know how good un c Again, you can't tell anything
you know, so we'll see.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
See.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
So now I'm gonna pose this question back at you, Hollis,
So is it the coach?

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Is it the team? No, it's a coach. I strongly.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
The more I've watched football, I ain't even saying football,
the more I watch team sports, even individual sports. You
take wrestlers, can you know? Or MMA guys can go
from one level to the next with the trainer or whatever.
I think it has a lot to do with coaching.
Coaching is everything, particularly at a collegiate level. If you
the better your coach is, the better your team is

(46:50):
going to be. If you drop off Nick Saban right
now in North Carolina, by they might lose a couple
coming out because he has to adjust. I'm talking about
if you drop him off today and by by you know,
week six are going to be looking like a championship team.
I think it has to do it. We've just seen
it too much. Coaches go and coaches win everywhere. I
don't see. Okay, I'm gonna agree in part with you,

(47:15):
but who could possibly have ever stepped into Nick Saban's job?

Speaker 2 (47:22):
I'm just no but I'm just saying.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Who would be I would never take that job, not
that they would ever offer it, but I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
But you know what I'm saying. Right after Nick Saber,
I know you're talking about the money. Do you think
that job?

Speaker 4 (47:38):
He got ten million a year? Yeah, sign me up.
Let's go ahead, let's go ahead, get the staff together.
But but what kind of I mean, that's big, big,
big shoes to feel somebody. But I'm just saying, you
think that? Do you do you think that they have

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the Do you think Alabama within the next couple of
years will be back to where they know? Because I
think what that coach stepped into, not only again we
talked about it just previously, he stepped not only into
Nick Saban's shoes, but he also stepped into the transfer portal.
So again, I think that's why Nick. I think Nick
Saban will probably be coaching right now. But not for

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that because you don't get to stack talent.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
So, in all fairness, should Alabama had even been ranked
at number eight to start the season.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
You think decent last year? It's Alabama? So they still working.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
Up the cash, right, I mean, I'm just taking into
effect everything else.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
All right, So all right, let's let's let's switch gears
and let's come down a little bit.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Let's come a little bit more local.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Coach Mays was hoping to get on tonight, but I
don't think he had football practice, so we can excuse
him for that. But I'm curious about one of the
things I wanted to Let's set it up South Charleston.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Yeah, okay, so South Charleston has come back to a coach. Well,
hold up, they got their first win.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
They got their first win, I guess two three seasons,
three seasons, so I think it's like a thousand some days.
They got their first win, Okay, and it was against
Ripley and Mary Yes and Hill Mary yes.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yes. I'm wondering.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Okay, all the all the respect for coach Mays as
the coach and stepping into you know, the first game,
winning the game, winning his first game back at South Charleston,
my question is going forward, do you think that South
Charleston is going to be able to be the South

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Charleston that we kind of have remembered with Coach Mays?

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Can he rebuild this and become the old South Trust
like this season? I'm asking how long I think you
give him a couple of seasons. Even next season, I
think he can. I don't.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
I think just to expect it this season that'd be lofty.
But I think, you know, they already over the hump,
you know, winning that game, because when you go, I mean,
some of these kids, they haven't. This is their first
win in high school and they've been at the program
for two and three years. So I think that you know,
not only was this a good win, I'm so like
I'm elated for the kids. I'm elated for the community.

(50:27):
I represent a part of that community. So this is
just a big thing that we can you know, you
can get that monkey off your back and you can,
you know, start to move forward. So I think that
he and his staff and the kids, they'll be able
to to bring this thing back because you know, like
I said, winning begets winning. And with our transfer rules here,
you know, within the state of West Virginia, those kids

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coming out of South Charleston and Dumbar they have the
freedom to go where they want. But I think if
they see some progress moving at the high school, they'll
be more adapt to stay local as opposed to transfer.
I think I think all so I think some of
the kids that he has touched in Putnam.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
County, Yeah, maybe maybe.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
May also may come because they like how he coaches
his style and they already know all of that.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
So you could also get.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
That, which could which could be next year, next year,
could be some maybe this year already.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
I don't really know yet. Yeah, man, I just like
I said, I'm just I'm a I'm a lady. And
it's like I said, you not only do you win
your first game in about two three seasons, but you
win it on a hell Mary, you know what I mean.
So it's just like the we talked about drama this weekend.
That's like trauma on drama.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
You know, well, he.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
High school drama.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
He had mentioned to me earlier that like, he's not
the offensive coordinator, So he's not. I don't think he's
being the offensive coordinator anymore. I think he's passing that
on and being quote what you would call the true
head coach, which I think what he wants to What

(51:58):
my guess is he's doing that is he wants to
actually be the leader of that team and not necessarily
have to do the offense or do the defense, special
teams or whatever, but be the leader of that team
and pump that group up and maybe and he may
be able to do that. And I and I personally,
I just, you know, just like I said, my role,

(52:18):
I'm not you know, obviously I'm not coaching anymore. But
I get to see, you know, I have conversations at
a different level with a lot of the coaches around here,
and I just don't see how you would be a
head coach and you know, call players or call defense,
just because I understand now administratively sort of what it
takes to even run a good high school program.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
It's not cheap to do.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
You gotta run, you gotta a fundraise, you gotta manage personalities,
you manage and not only the players, you managing your
coaching staff. You gotta deal with grades and the school.
And black people have no idea.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
What it takes.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
It's to coach football period, coach sports period.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
But I think football is a different beings. I think
it is too.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
I think it is with the number of players that
you have, the number of coaches, number of coaches that
you have, managing the coaches, managing the team, all of that.
That's that's a tough and it's a reason why, like
football leagues fold like all the ones who try to
not necessarily compete with the NFL, but try to be
professional organizations because it takes so much. Because football you
can't this ain't like basketball. But you can't go out

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there with two three ds. Now, you got to have.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
At least six, maybe ten dudes to help you like
do this thing. Yes, yeah, you know, and trainers and
all that.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
Yeah, and trainers and you know, and going back to
your point, hollis about you know, coaches are one of
the most, if not the most important part of a
winning team, you know. I mean Donnie has a history
of it. I mean he wanted South Charleston, he left,
he went to Hurricane and they were six. He was
successful there. I think he was like twenty seven and ten.

Speaker 6 (53:50):
Yeah, you know, while he was there for those three years.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
And now he's back and you know he's just he's
got away with the kids.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
And coaching matters, like I just like, you can't understate it.
It doesn't people don't they give they's like they blame
the coach, but they don't also give the coach enough credit.
Even till it's like I was talking crap about Bill Pelichick.
He's a part of those seven champions. If he's not there,
they don't win seven rings, you know what I mean.
So I'm not trying to discount that, but like, if
you got the right mix of players and the right timing,

(54:20):
a good coach can really elevate that thing. So how
how how quick? How quick do you think this South trust?
Then change will come? I think you give him another year,
like a year. I think I think next year they'll
find themselves in the playoffs, depending because I know they're
still a fairly young team. I think this year to me,

(54:41):
like I said, you kind of already won because you
won a game.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I know that sounds like yo, yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
That sounds petty, but I mean I think you know,
you get you get five, you get five wins this season.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
That's a very.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Good year, you know, and they could probably get at
least you know, I would say anywhere from three to five,
you know. And to your point, the players who have
been sitting there going year after year after year and
hadn't seen a victory, and all of a sudden you
see one over well at the last second of the game,

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all of a sudden, Now you're thinking you're believing.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeah, you're believing in yourself.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
And and I'll say this, and Hollis you know this,
and List you probably know this as well.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
The confidence that you have in yourself is everything.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
Is everything, I mean, and and you have to have
something positive in order for you to to to think
that you are something. And shout out to the kids
who stayed. You know, Bosley, he's Exavier Bosi's little brother.
Xavier plays office line for WVU and his little brothers at.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
I can't really call he bigger than me, but uh,
he's a South Charleston. He's been there since he's a
pupp He never considered leaving. He he hasn't won a game.
I think this is going to his third year.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
And that shout out.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Shout out to shout out to the parents for not leaving,
because I know, like it's tempting, like because you can
go to Nitro, they're they're doing good good, you know,
So it's other programs you can go to in close proximity.
So I just, like I said, this was stuck it out,
stuck it out, man, and this is a big win
for the community. And I just I just truly don't
think that leaving in school that all your friends are there,

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you know, you're familiar with everything because of a sport,
you want to leave and go somewhere else. I just,
I just I just don't know how to even fathom
that in my head. And maybe because I'm so old
that that could that would.

Speaker 6 (56:39):
Never It's a whole different general, that's a whole different process.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
But I'm just gonna say they have social media, they
have they don't need to.

Speaker 6 (56:49):
See each other in person.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
That they see each other all the time, probably more
than we did with our friends in school.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
But I will say to your point, for those kids
who've been there, like think of a senior who's one
and maybe one game and then won this one unbelievable
just to say like dang, we was we have one
for three season and we want to they'll have that
story and they'll have that camaraderie. Even if this season
they don't make the playoffs, they'll still they'll have that
thing like we did this and you know we was

(57:16):
able to overcome and we went from like you know,
thirty and oh whatever we were over to thirty to
now we maybe won two, three, four, five games.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
So they'll have.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
That and and I love just hearing you talk about
that was like I was like over here just thinking, like, man,
I can I understand exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Like you want a game.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
We won a game, and we may not win anything else,
but man, we got that one and we were close
in that one.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
If you if you have that kind of mindset, man,
you'll have those members. You'll have those.

Speaker 6 (57:50):
Those are the ones.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
But like I said, I had off to the they
win some more.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Man. I love to see us go to the playoffs
and ship out of too.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
All right, well, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you enjoyed
the show and we're gonna get out of here.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
We will see you again next week.

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Speaker 1 (58:28):
If you fall does it, don get back up for
your feet. Anything will be a win, yup, even the
feet that says shit is a bath for you.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Wise vialyvery sweet. Couldn't play with big kids. I had
to sit in the street and watch from a distance.
Put over time. I grew.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
If I put in the work in no time, I'm
doing everything that.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I worked and prayed. I'm okay.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
If you ask me how did I do it, I'm
gonna say. You gotta work, cry Shan. Just mine gotta
show everybody is my time' here. You gotta work, cry Shan.
You have a mind who talk of dives day. Don't
tell you gotta work.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
You gotta work. You gotta work. You gotta work. You
gotta work, You gotta work.