December 24, 2025 • 53 mins
On this episode of Let’s Talk, Carl Lee, Hollis Lewis, and Lisa Otey dive into a wide-ranging, candid discussion on the changing landscape of sports at every level. The show opens with a deep look at the high school coaching crisis, including why compensation, parent pressure, open enrollment, and player mobility are driving coaches out faster than ever. The conversation expands into NIL realities, whether coaches should become full-time employees, and how community engagement now matters as much as X’s and O’s. The second half turns national, breaking down Jake Paul’s latest boxing spectacle, the state of modern boxing promotion, college football playoff fairness, and a heated debate on fan behavior after a Steelers sideline incident — questioning when fans should be held as accountable as players. A passionate, honest episode that blends local insight with national sports issues.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yeah, you gotta work. You gotta work, cry Shine. It's
mine gotta show. Everybody is my time. Can't you gotta work?
Cry Shine?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Another mind from Saga Dogs.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Welcome to Let's Talk with Carl Lee and frequent guest
hosts Hollis Lewis and Lisa Odie, where sports culture and
community intersect. Join the crew as they dive into engaging
conversations with guests from all walks of the sports life.
Let's Talk as proudly presented by Attorney Frank Walker. Real talk,
real experience, real results. Let the conversation begin on Let's Talk.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, This is Carl Lee with Let's Talk,
and I have both of my co hosts in the building,
Hollis Lewis and Lisa Odie.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
How are you too doing today?
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Ready for Santa? We're on the countdown now, aren't we.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Actually I don't even have my I don't have my
tree up yet.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
You shouldn't even bother now, I mean, yeah, just just
don't even worry about it till next year.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
All that we have is all we have is the
is the grandchild that we're getting anything for. And you know, so,
actually I'm I'm I'm going to assume because I'm not
putting it up.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, so Donna's putting it up. So when you going
to your son's house, I'm going to end up going
to my son's house. I'm also just.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Leaving the building.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Well see we we actually got a small tree now,
so it's one of those that you can just pick
it up, sit it away and it's all good. Well see,
I don't, but but I love Christmas and I love
all of the things that go around it.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
It's just so you don't it enough to put a
tree up.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
That's not my job.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Though he went there.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I did go there. That's that's job. She's she slipped.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
It, Donna. I hope you hear all of this.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Hopefully she's not gonna catch this show, all right. So man,
we got some crazy some some some crazy stuff.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
That's that's crazy, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So I will stay local here. Right right from the.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Start, we've got a coach mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
South Charleston Capital, I mean capital. I'm sorry that is leaving.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Second time?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Right, second time? Correct? Right? Right? That's the fact. Wow,
why why come back if you're going to leave again?
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I mean, is there any has there been any conversation
about like why not yet, just that he's that he
that he's leaving. Yeah, I mean I haven't heard anything directly,
only the coach carp Yeah, coach cart John Carpenter. What
I can assume, it's just like, you know, just the
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nature of coaching has just changed, man, just with the
the mobility that players now have to go from school
to school, you're not in a situation where you can
collect talent like you once did, and your job as
a head coach is now just a little different because
you're not only do you have to quote unquote recruit
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you know, players from the lower levels coming into the program,
but you need to recruit your locker room. So I
think the nature of you just going in coaching discipline,
those sort of things that we grew up on that
a coach was, it's not necessarily that anymore. From the
head coaching standpoint, your job is just markedly different. So
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now you're almost just like a figurehead your recruiter, but
you still have to manage the program. So again, if
you didn't step into that, that's not what you signed
up for. I could see while it's not for you,
although you still may have the love for the occupation.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
And also, I mean, let's just face it, the compensation
is just it's not there, and it's a lot of
work for a little bit of money.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
You really have to love what you do.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
There's just so many other things that you could do
with your time unless you you know, you get so
deep into this, and I think you alluded to this earlier,
hollis about the middle schools. You can't depend on your
player coming from your feeder schools because they can choose
any high school they want to go to. So you
don't know what you're gonna get from year to year,
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and that makes it even more challenging. But seriously, if
they're going to put more and more on these head
coaches at the high school level, they need to consider
more compensation for what they do for their time one
hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
And to put it specifically, when you talk about that compensation,
it's forty five hundred dollars yeah. Year. And what people
don't understand, not just for football, for any of these
coaches out here, you're not only coaching in the season.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So in the season you may.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Spend, in addition to your day job and coaching, you
may be working you know, one hundred hours.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
That way, Oh sure, right, every dead up.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And then you're working in the off season with quote
unquote recruitment. I'm not sam recruitment, but quote unquote recruitment.
And you still have to have an off season program.
You still have the flex weeks during the summer, so
you're spending a new more amount of time doing that,
trying to be good, trying to coach kids, trying to
be a mentor. And the compensation, like you said, this
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just doesn't add up. I mean because and and I'll
let you go, but even capitalists form a basketball coach.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Matt Green.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
One of the reasons I and again it's just my
conjecture he went to a different occupation because again he's
spending all that time doing this, and you're just not
being compensated to somewhere as adequate. And I can I
can speak for me, and I'm gonna and I think
this will fit a lot of coaches when you hear
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the amount of what what you're getting paid, I think
in your in your thoughts, Okay, I'm not worried about that.
That's that's not necessarily the issue. I really want to
make sure I can I can bring this team along.
I can, I can work with these kids. I can
do these kinds of things. And I hate to say this,
(06:59):
but some of the problem you can be created by
the parent of a good of a kid who's a
talented kid because of the actual reality of playing at
a team that's winning. Everybody wants to play at a
team that's winning. But at some point in time, you
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gotta play. I mean, you're gonna you gotta play where
you are and accept that reality because it is again
the life lessons that you get in sports.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's just not the reality.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I know, I understand what you're saying, but we can't
keep saying that because it's just not But but I cannot.
For me, okay, for me, I can't look at it to.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Be just about the money, just about winning. I can't.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I mean, And but parents would argue and say, well,
it's not about that, it's about opportunity, it's about fairness.
They're gonna come up with any thing that would justify
doing whatever they want to do. So I don't make
it right. I ain't saying to make it right, but
I'm saying they can come up. They can counter your
argument with a number of different ways. So I'm saying
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from a coaching standpoint, if I because again we gotta
parents have always kind of been an issue, and then
in the background that's not that's been since the beginning
of high school sports, but since we made it an
important thing, there's always been a parent, a loudmouth da
da da da da. Now the problem is not only
I do it. I gotta deal with the parent, but
I also got to deal with the reality that if
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I don't appease this parent and this kid, now, my
talent's gonna walk out the door. And you to your point,
if you have that talented kid, not only is he
gonna walk out the door, he probably gonna take two
or three of his buddies with h So now I
may lose the talented kid, I may lose depth. So
it's like, and to Lisa's point, if I'm not being
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compensated adequately, what is the point of me doing this?
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Yeah, and here's another point to go with the commons.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
A lot of the coaches we know this.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I mean some are retired people, but also a lot
of them are are their day job is teaching and
so that that is their income for their their family
to be able to pay the bills, and and a
lot of teachers, a lot of male teachers, I'm female.
Two take second jobs just to be able to make
it from day to day to pay their bills, take
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care of their families. And if they're having to spend
all their time after work doing a job that they're
not compensated for, I mean that that that's a big sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And then you got to deal with everything and deal.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
With everything else.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I mean, and for me, I just don't.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I don't see.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I don't see free money, whether it be high school
or college, to be paid out to athletes.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Now what I will say, I will I would agree to.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
A systematical structure of let's say Hollis is the best
player on my team and there are two other quarterbacks.
If you're a quarterback, you're the starter, you get just
as a hypothetical, you get ten dollars.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
The other ones, the other two get five.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
To me, it should be it's not like Hollis can
come in negotiate with me like he is a pro athlete.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Like, I just don't that's reality.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Now I do, I realize it's reality. I'm just I'm
just saying I'm.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
The dude who's who who doesn't like it? And I'm
pushing a rock uphill. I believe that.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I believe that, and I know no one's going to
really listen to me.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
But even if they agree, we I understand that we
don't have a chance of getting that kind of a structure.
But sooner or later, the state of West Virginia is
not going to pay to pay these players the money
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they're going to be.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
We're not talking about pay pay.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Players aren't necessarily getting paid to a to a large
clip now. And if they are getting paid, this from
outside sources, not a state thing. The problem is is
that if I'm a coach and I gotta deal with
all this, I need to be getting paid. We need
to pay the coaches more. I'm getting the money.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I'm making a full time job. I mean I don't
even have to teach.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
I mean that that is a full time position in
whatever county district.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Work a problem with that, though.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
The problem with it, I know where you're say it's
going to come into Title nine issues because now it's
going to be a specifically women's sports coaches who are
gonna say, well, I need to be full time and
we know that state can't afford to pay all the
coaches full time. So my proposal is that you pick
out two coaches, so one coach from one sport and
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one coach from the other sport. You make those coaches
full time employees. So you know, maybe in a perfect world,
be a coach from a god sport, coach from a
women's sport, right.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Each school, at each school. Okay, and hold up here,
here's what it be though.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
You would your your your primary job would be to coach,
would be to raise money, work alongside the a D.
And then in addition, you would be responsible for substitute duties.
So now that school, if a teacher's out, they don't
have to call another substitute. You would already have two
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in the building, so you would handle substitute duties when
you could disciplinary issues, coaching and helping the a D.
That that would be my proposal, and you would.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Just have high school. Would they would sub every day? Yes,
I'm telling you I mean, and that would take away
from their time to do their job.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Though, right, what I'm saying and what makes what I
say you you can't just be like because you're not
gonna like coach football for eight hours in a day
and then coach in the evening. So there's gonna be
sometimes I'm not saying you coach, excuse me, sub every day,
but that would just be part of it.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
They can't find.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
What if you can't sell, what if you've not ever
been a teacher, you've just been You have to get
all those licenses and everything. Anybody can sub. You can
sub right now a long as you go take the
class sign up. Anybody can sub, as long as you
don't have a criminal record. But what I'm saying is
I think that's a way to justify that because we
can't because in the state of West Virginia, you can't
just say, Okay, here's a football coach, We're gonna pay
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you sixty seven thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
That's not a reality of where we're at now, we're
not Texas.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
But but can we get to like an actual pay,
like something that's an actual adult who gets paid a year.
But again, your problem is is not not necessarily that's
we probably can, but you can't afford to pay every
coach because now every coach from every sport would wanted
some conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Okay, and I understand that, but.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
If if you rank football as your biggest money maker.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Okay, I think you can.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Okay, so football, basketball, so that's girls and boys, basketball, track, baseball,
whatever that is.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Everybody has a structure.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Because football is going to bring in more money for
most schools anywhere.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, but you can't.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
But the thing is football is always going to be
that I understand.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
So let me ask you, guys, this why you go
down this rabbit hole. If if the boosters, let's say
you're at a specific high school and the boosters raise
money and concession stands and car washes, can they compensate
the coach in addition to what they're being paid by
the county?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Is that legal?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That's a good question. And I do not have the
answer to that.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Isn't want to solve.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Like so again, you have an.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Inner city school, poor community or rural community first an
affluent community, then that creates an unfair advantage.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
That's true, But it happens at the collegiate level.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
That's not you're talking about college. I mean, high school
is a little different, so our rules is different in college.
And I think, but here's the thing to every every
point or every effort that we that we put out,
we still have these restrictions or these situations that are
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you can't really do that, and you know and and
so you have all this you can't do this, but
you but but you need to fix But I think
you just have to make it equitable. That's why I
would say, essentially, you just pick a men's and a
women's sports coach and make them full time employees and
they would have other duties in addition to their coaching duties.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
But I don't think it can be I should.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
I don't know where they would get the funding for that,
first of all, counting.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I mean, if you think about what they pay a
substitute every day, or you think about what that make.
In addition, one of y'all got to be the a
D cut the AD position out. So I'm just saying,
it's like, I think there is a fix. We got
to be creative. But to your point, but and again,
that's not even a fair fix, because other coaches will say, well,
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that's not fair because again football coaches. Football coach generally
is always going to get their job unless you don't
have a football team. And if you're the baseball team
or the track team, and you have a historically good team,
you can say, well I deserve that, not them, because
my team is we're always winning championships. Cause you know,
like I know, even if you got a quote unquote
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not very good football team, generally they're gonna make more
money than if you have an all world track team,
right because football is generally from the college level down,
is the sport that makes money. Everybody else generally loses money.
Besides women's basketball and men's basketball.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I think just to start is just a double. Maybe
they're stipend, maybe that's maybe that's I mean, just to
start and then you know, I think what you're saying
is is is a great proposal. But that's the funding
in public schools right now is you know every year
it goes down with we know where it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Can come from. But we're gonna get political.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Right right, right, right, right right right. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
But but all we with with all of that and
you all secrets, okay.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Not to talk about.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Well you just don't go there.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
And I'm not even going to push that. But what
I'll say is for me, I'm looking I'm looking at
trying to get the best for the for the kids
that are playing.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
They need, they need a coach card.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
You know they need a coach that's going to be
out there, that's going to be.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Back the experience, want.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
The best from them, not just football, but academically and
all of the whole thing. We're getting to a point
where are we just going to like just give anybody
that four thousand dollars and say, hey, go with I
think the young man who got who I think who
we think got the position Terran rush I think he's
going to be able to do a phenomenal job. He's
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integrated hisself into the community, he relates to the young man.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
So he'll do it. He'll do a fabulous job.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
But even even to that point, Hell, the parents they
know everything, so let them deal with you know everything.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
So you got it. We don't need coaches no more.
We got parents, and yeah we're all good.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
See to your point knocking for language.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
To your to your point, you've got you can't say
as a parent, when you get a new coach, you're
happy for a day and a half, and then as
soon as the very first practice, the very first game
shows up and you lose or or you don't have
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that many kids on the team, how do you turn
around and say that's the coach's issue.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I don't know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I feel like, I just feel like, if you're going
to be a parent and you've got a kid that's
playing on a team that is not successful and not
successful because coach, because coaches, coaches come and coaches go,
and the record still says the same, that's because of
the kids. That's not you know, that's I disagree with that.
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I disagree with that.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Coach. It makes a difference. I believe it makes a difference.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
But coach makes a huge I agree with you. But okay,
but you've got to have players to play.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
But I think even if we seem like an example
of Steve Edwards and GW you got one feet of schools,
he's done it for almost thirty years and while he
hasn't won a state championship, he's been to multiple state
championships and been a consistent playoff team since two thousand.
Coaching is what makes it. I am not taking anything
from him, but you have a you have a community
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that is a solid community that that kids are coming.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
He had that community.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
That community was there from nineteen eighty five to nineteen
ninety nine, and they was losing all that time.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I'm not trying to take.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
But he's going he's going to he's going to come in,
he's going to change the structure. He's gonna he has
probably a thousand, a thousand times better I of what
this team can do then probably any coach anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
That's all catch that's coloot.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
But but he's going to get his community to show up.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
He's going to get that.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Community to shah.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
It's coaching. Coach makes the difference.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
He's also going to bring in the players from other
areas parts of the county just for the fact that
the educational opportunity that those students are given there to
compared to some other high schools.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I mean, it's part of the package.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
I mean, that's that's a great you know, one of
the blue ribbon schools of the state.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
And I can't and and and but I got to
fight with him first. Here's here's here's my here's my
concern with that when you say that Capital Charleston High
has been an area of.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Success in in sports.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Coach after coach after coach after coach after coach. Now
all of a sudden, because of the structure that's in
sports you can take that coach whoever he is, and
he can't hold on to kids because whether they don't
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like it, they don't like the screaming, they don't like
the running, they don't.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Like any of that kind of stuff, and they're gonna
go somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
That's how you end up falling to the bottom and
not having it.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And where do I want to go?
Speaker 4 (22:39):
You got I'm I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go
to to to to coach at which.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And I'm not taking from his great day.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
You have to have a coach who can adjust to
the times. Just like prior to coach Edwards, that's that
was a football was not even looked at it. It
was all basketball and we were a sideshow far as
the football team. But just you articulated, he got into
the community, he made it work and the rest is history.
So if you're looking at like a Capitol coach, which
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I think Aran will do a good job, it's your
job to get into the community, figure out what's broken,
try to fix it. And you got to start at
the community level. Bring that to the practice field and
then you'll be off. So again it's about coaching. Now
you again.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Player you have to have talent, that's part. We all
know that.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
But to your point, if you want to keep those players,
if you want to bring in other players for different communities,
that takes the centerpiece of the coach to put all
that together and and be that that peg to to
hold that community up for whatever face it is is.
It's about coaching.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
And the coach also has to understand that this is
a this is a new age athlete. This this athlete
is not only You're not only competing for them on
the field, You're competing with social media. You're competing with uh,
you know at the collegiate level in IL.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
I mean, they're aware of everything. It's not like whenever.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
These high school kids twenty years ago didn't have access
to all this.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
So whoever comes in and.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Coaches these students, they they have to understand this is
a whole different world and they have to they have
to adapt to it.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That's why I think Taran is gonna be perfect for this.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
He's young, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah, And speaking of new age, we got a we
had a boxing there. Yeah, oh so Jake Paul. He
took on Joshua Anthony, former heavyweight champ. We also had
some good undercards. You had Anderson the Spider Silver ucf
ucf UFC Legend. You had Alicia the bomb Bumgardner, she
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defended her title in the decision, and my man Jake
Paul finally, I think he finally had a quote unquote
real boxing match. And he took one to the jar
and it got and it got broke.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
In more than one place. Actually, Yeah, Like.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
If there's a sport that I'm not going to just
jump in and.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And assume that.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
No, no, no, that's you can't experiment in the boxing
and get in the ring now and and again, Hollis,
I think we were talking a little bit before the show.
I think the fights that he has had before, Paul,
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I don't know if they were like quote real, I
think like I think it was just it almost seemed
like the boxing was looking for a new star and
and they and they wanted to maybe start with him
coming up through the ranks. But if you're not a
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boxer and you want to jump into a ring with
a boxer.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
You you're you're in.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
You're in trouble, and you're gonna be on a liquid
die a little bit like and.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
And this fight was that understanding of Okay, maybe I'm
not a boxer. Yeah, and again he's quote unquote had
fights or exhibitions with like Floyd Madwether, Mike Tyson, a
couple of UFC guys. But I, like you said, I
think this was the real deal.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
I think Anthony probably just you know, he wanted to
give the crowd something that I think he knocked him
out in the fourth round. But overall, like I said,
I think, you know, it's that old adage like all
publicity's good publicity, which.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I don't think that's true. I don't. I don't think,
you know.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Especially if you're a boxing purist like we said in
the in the in there, I mean, nobody wants to
if you're really a real boxing fan like you say
you are, girl, you don't want a gimmicky fight like no,
that takes away from it.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
I don't want to hear about Jake Paul's life over here.
I want to hear about how many fights has he had,
who did he beat?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Legitimate fights? I want to I want to see that.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And he's fighting just the most notable people for the
most money.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That is not even.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Do you know how much. It was like three million, and.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I think that's probably you can break.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
And I think that is Christmas and I think that's
the silver lining, right. The silver lining is that maybe
you know, Paul turns into a promoter because he did
bring boxing to Netflix. Ain't gonna say he brought it
to Netflix, but he made a prominent on Netflix where
they're a major player. So hopefully we can get some
legitimate fights, because I think to the sport, it does
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do damage to the sport when you have your top
ranked athletes going against these hoky you know, exhibition fights,
because I wanted to see like Anthony and Tyson Furial,
Anthony and Deontay Water, Tank Davis or you know some
of the legitimate guys.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
You know, how did and so help me with this?
Speaker 4 (28:13):
How did those names get jumped over ignored? And you
get Jake Paul in there. I mean, because he's a draw.
He's the money guy. You're not making that ninety whatever.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Million, Yeah, those other guys.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
So it's it's about money because the other part of that,
if I'm going to get hitting the head for a living,
I want to make the most money possible. So it's
like if I got to fight this hoky exhibition, then
I'll just do that to you know.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Cash out.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Do you think he's done, Paul, I think the legitimate,
I think the novelty of its worn off. I hope
what can happen though, because here's a good thing about
what he what he does in all seriousness, now we
know that between him and the other fights, but he
has a bunch of undercars that are legitimate, right, so
we got to see and this and the Spider Silver,
we got to see Alicia Bumgardner. We got to see
those legitimate fights make real brain on prime time TV.
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So I think that's what he does great. So hopefully
he can he can flip this into you know, being
a promoter and being and actually bringing boxing back.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
To to where it's going to be this kind of box.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
But that's what I'm saying. I hope it's not.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
And I think boxing has got to do something about
Number one, it's timing, and we don't want to sit
necessarily and watch like five hours of undercards, you know
what I'm saying, kind of like give us three three
quality bouts. Pit it at the the you know, the
main event maybe at eight.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
O'clock, nine o'clock, not eleven, you know, because East Coast
it really kills you.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
You up at twelve o'clock trying to watch I'm like
you halfway falling asleep, and you gotta take a nap.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You gotta plan your day around today.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
That's because we're senior citizens.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
And I think too, like you know, when when you
start looking at like who's going to be on the card,
the lack of promotion of some of these boxers hurts
the boxing structure as a whole because back in the day,
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you knew, you knew almost somebody on each one of
the cards, heavyweight, light weight, and you you knew one
of the boxers really well.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
You got to feel the card. Yeah, you can't. You
can't go out there and just put Joe.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Blow and and and and Freddy going against each other.
And again I think I think with this, with this
one in particular, he did a good job of doing that.
I mean, some of the people, if you don't know it,
you may not know him. But like I said, and
as in the Spider Sivil, Lashia, Bumguard, if you knew
those names, like if you're familiar with combat sports, you
know those names, right, but they don't. But to your point,
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I think boxing definitely has to do something about establishing
that crossover pill like it once had, because we need boxers,
you know what I'm saying, Like, we need boxers, not
somebody that's doing something else.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, I don't want to show.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I want guys who are trying to come up trying
to win the heavyweight championship, the lightweight championship, Like I
want guys to be doing that, like that's what they do.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
They do.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
They're not coming in from another sport and jumping in
to the ring and trying to win.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, here's just an example
of we knew what was going to happen because you know,
the official way in for the for the boxing for
the event, Joshua towered five inches above his opponent that
weighed almost thirty pounds more than him. So what did
you expect to have happened when they got in the ring?
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Good point? Yes? And okay, so and again, how do
you how was that a fight? How was that?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
You're not even you're not even in that, You're not close,
you're not even close to that weight limit. Like so
you you can't be a heavyweight. You're not a heavyweight
you're fighting a heavyweight.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
I mean, this guy didn't he box in the Olympics
at one point, Like he's just a renowned anthony.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, yeah, he's a heavyweight chair.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Yeah, that's what I thought. And then you know, here
comes in and you look.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
At him stand side by side, and I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Yeah.
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Speaker 4 (33:20):
All right, we're back well speaking of speaking of an
in balanced matchups. Yeah, so we had the college football
playoffs this week in the first round, so you had
JMU Tulane both taking some some pretty big wolpings. There's
some talks about whether they should have should not got in,
but I like it. You give the little guys a chance.
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Now again, jam you would they had to travel to Oregon.
That was a tough call. Uh, Tulane going to Mississippi,
Oh Miss. You know again, I think oh Miss is
playing with a little chip on the shoulder.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
So do you think they should have let like Miami
and the other schools in possibly or this was the
right call?
Speaker 5 (34:02):
I mean, I think it was the right call.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
You've got to you've got to give a little bit
of motivation to those Power five schools, you know, to
give them hope that they.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Can make the playoff, you know, and Jay and you
you know that they didn't. They weren't.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
It wasn't as horrible of a loss for them as
it was for for Tulane. I mean, I feel like
Tulane just got blown out of the water forty one
to ten, But you know, fifty one to thirty four,
that's respectable. I mean they're with their offense. The offense
was you know, they did a decent job. It was
the defense. I mean in order tough road trip.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, and you're going to cross the country.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Yeah, that's like's I mean, even if it was like
a Power five equally situated school, I think that's just
a tough task for anybody.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Oh yeah, December going across the country playing a roll game.
See what? What's what? What? What bothers me is like
either you have.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I mean, it's clear to see who's a better team.
Like and in some of this structure, you're you're looking
at a team that you already are when you're already
looking at it saying Okay, I wonder how bad this
score is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, something's wrong with that picture. Yeah, you know what
I'm saying, something's wrong with that picture?
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Is legit. This year they're they're legit.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
I mean I could maybe see them giving people fits.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
They may make the whole run.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
But and how about Alabama.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
That was that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
It was crazy and nothing. They were seventeen and nothing.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
They may score twenty four uns points and I hate
to see that.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Gosh, I wanted them to lose, go away.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Well that was crazy because you know, last year, everybody
complained about the first round the home teams one one.
You know, everything in blue teams out. This year the
visitors one.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Yeah, Miami one of Miami one. Yeah, that was the closest.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Alabama went over Oklahoma. He said, yeah, that was a
defensive Strugah, yeah, like I said. And then we in
the next round. You got Miami over excuse me, Ohio,
excuse me, Miami at Ohio State. You got Oregon at
Texas Tech, you got Alabama at Indiana, and then Old
Missa Georgia. Now, one of the controversies that were a
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lot of people ain't gonna say a lot, but some
people were complaining about is that these are home games,
where these playoffs should be neutral site games.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
At that point, I think they should.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Should be you think so I think so too.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
You think so, yeah, the first round is okay, first.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
So you're saying second round, yes, so, but but but
that would mean the team who had to buy would
have to wouldn't have that home field advantage.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
They would be at a neutral That's all right, you think,
So they got the buy.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Wow, the benefit benefit, The benefit is the boy, the
benefit is the benefit. So what's what's the what's the
argument for making it a neutral site game as opposed
to a home game?
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Because because the home game is a home game, think
about the crowd. That that that changed is the whole
dynamic of the game.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
If you believe in the idea of home field advantage,
which I do.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Then you're already giving me a head start.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
But it's a big But it's a playoff game, So
why shouldn't I have every other home every excuse me,
every other playoff the higher seed plays it own every
every every every NFL team is fighting for home field advantage.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Why why it's an advantage?
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Okay, So so if we everybody knows that if there's
an advantage of being home, especially in the playoffs, So
second round of some sort, if you want to call
it that, why are we why are we not at
a at a neutral think but why why would we
be at a neutral field? Because we want to make
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it as even as we can.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
So you want to you so you're saying you gonna
make it even. I want to make it even.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
Okay, Big ten in the SEC every year getting getting
the home games. I mean that's a legitimate argument. I mean,
you know, I mean you got to give these teams
a little bit of a I don't want to say
an edge, but a little.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Bit of fairness.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
But in addition, so we're saying fairness, we're saying like equitable.
Do you think like this would like help like sort
of re establish that tradition of Bowl games to have
a neutral.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Something that that would be a good way to fit
the games back in.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yes, because again think about it, you.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Can you can combine it.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
You're in the NFL and you got like you what
are you trying to get for the playoffs? Home field advantage?
Home field advantage? Why should this be different?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Though?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
That's what I'm trying to say. The NFL is what
it is because high school is what it is. Because
because I'm going to make the case that that should
be changed.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Why hold on you.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I think, I know the NFL is not gonna change,
but collegiate high school I'm okay with you getting that first,
and that some of this is some of this is money.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
All of it it's money.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
You you want those home games for playoffs so that
you can make the money. I understand that, and that's
a and that's a huge benefit to the school. But
at the end of the day, to me, I want,
I want the best game. And and I believe, I
believe if you take if you gotta travel and I
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gotta travel, and we're gonna meet at another place, we
got a better chance.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
You're saying all playoff well, second.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
And second round rounds, whatever, So you say those games
should be neutral I've actually I mean, that's actually give
me something to think about, because I've never heard that
perspective before. I mean, I've never heard somebody say like, well, okay,
these should be neutral site games.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I mean, that's that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
You flying, you're flying three of or hours somewhere, get
off the plane, get your.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Stuff, throw it in the hotel on the field.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
You gotta go. So now you gotta go get that
that practice in. Right now, the other team is sitting
at home. They didn't already practice there, they're chilling watching TV.
But that's just tru But but that's what you get
for being a higher seed. That's the I don't I don't,
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
It doesn't work for me. It's collegiately, that's what reason.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Because because this is like because we're naming it, they
just name these games bowl games. But they're not bowl
games in the sense that they are going to the
specific location that these bowl games were held in. So
Miami and Ohio they're playing in the Cotton Bowl, Oregon,
Texas Tech they're playing in the Orange Bowl. Alabama and
Indiana they're playing in the Rose Bowl, and then Old
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Miss and Georgia are playing in the Sugar Bowl. So again,
traditionally the Sugar Bowls in New Orleans, the Rose Bowls
in Pasadena, the Boat the Orange Bowls in Miami, and
then the then the Cotton Bowl would be in Texas.
So you're just saying keep them where they tradition. Yeah yeah, wow,
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you took at a first step further to say all
playoff games should just be neutral. I think that now,
if let's just say a bowl is a certain bowl
is somewhere Okay, and you happen to be in that Bowl.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Okay, I might. That's different.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
You just got lucky.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
You just got lucky.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
You get to play at home, you know, or at
least close to home. But for the most part, like
I feel like I'd be fine if all of the
all the Bowl games were somewhere that didn't necessarily have
a legitimate cone.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
That is interesting. That's an interesting I've never thought about that.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
I think that's a great.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
I legitimately, I've never even considered that, you know, outside
of the Bowl.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
But when they get to host these games, this is
this is out of my curiosity, and you guys may
know the answer.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Whenever, you know, the.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Opposing team goes to Ohio State or whoever's hosting, do they.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
Split the revenue or is it just the home team.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Gets a revenue? I don't. I don't.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
That would be another argument.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
For that, if Bowl games or something like that.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
I don't know if that's the I don't know if
that's yeah, if it's a playoff game, so.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
If you would you get all the money you.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Share because you're using your resources, your employees and everything
like that.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I don't. Yeah, I don't know. I don't see. I
don't know if it be like down the middle. No,
I don't think that. I don't think that.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
I think another reason to make it neutral on mind, Yeah,
because to me, because then it would have to be
split right down the middle.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Because that's somewhere.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
That the benefit of having, you know, the playoff game
Bowl game at your field is money, right, I'm not
sharing it with Hollis. There would be no reason for
me to share that with Hollis. But if we now
are playing in a neutral if we're playing at a
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neutral site, then we can split that money. And what
we now now we both can can can really fight
for get people at the game.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (43:16):
It's not just your home. Yeah, schools gets the chance.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
To get all right, So speaking, we got one probably
one last topic.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
We have a.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Pittsburgh Stiller wide receiver boy apparently accosted a fan who
was in close proximity to the sideline.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Apparently the fan.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
The Pittsburgh apparently I was just asking keep.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
Accusing me of that's a good look for you.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
The fancy has some derogatory remarks in the tone of
a of racist remarks.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, that's what I think that was. Got the that's
what got it going out there.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
So I mean, what do we think about, like the
incident that happened on what should be the punishment if
any like?
Speaker 7 (44:13):
What?
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Well, let me tell you what I found out on
the internet.
Speaker 6 (44:16):
And I don't know if it's true or not. I
think it should be because it was under CBS Sports.
But supposedly this particular fan has had a run in
with him before when he was a Seahawk. Yeah, I
think I saw that, and they were playing in Detroit,
the Seahawks in Detroit, and he actually had to report
the fan to NFL security during that game.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
It's the same fan, Oh so he's previously reported Yes.
Speaker 6 (44:41):
Yes, And to me, I mean if he's if the
fan is actively pursuing the player to taunt him, to
to to provoke him, we're in his number, right then
we need to address fan behavior as much as we
do player behavior. I'm sorry, I mean, I feel like
he should be held responsible just as much as d
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K is.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
I'm I'm I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
I know the NFL probably disagrees with me.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I mean, it's gonna take it's
gonna take a lot of control internal control for you
to to be by that fence. Here's somebody. Well let me, well,
have you had a similar situation which you had like
a fan of somebody who was just lighting you up,
(45:34):
just saying like the nastiestuff possible. Well, yeah, like I've
had somebody talk about being with my mom, you know,
as as a as a fan, and you like, I'm
hearing it. I hear him, right, There's nothing for me.
There's there's nothing really for me to do. You know.
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I can't go and jump up and try to grab them,
punch him or whatever because one nobody else is gonna
say they heard that.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
At least on the field, right, So it looks like
me like I'm doing you you had this thought process,
why why this is going on?
Speaker 4 (46:17):
I just looked, I just look I just looked at him,
trying to figure out, like, dude, like what like what
would make you say that at a football game? Right?
Speaker 6 (46:25):
Like?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Where?
Speaker 5 (46:26):
Where?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Where does that?
Speaker 5 (46:27):
And I think where the fans some fans take.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
They they go too far, they go too far in.
Speaker 6 (46:33):
The field and you can't really respond and they know
that they want to push those buttons.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
To me, I feel like there should be there should
be anywhere that there's a fan base, there should be security.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Along the fence, on the bleachers, in the end zone,
down on the sidelines to where they hear those things
or they hear those people actin stupid and you either
put them out or do you do all that. You
have the possibility, you have the capability, you have the
funding to be able to secure that boundary of the
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football field if you choose to do it. I think
you're right, and I think it's got to be like
a sort of like a zero tolerance because I think
if you're a player, we can't like if maybe those
things were said to somebody on the street, it would
be a similar reaction. You can't expect these players just
to be non reactions. I think like Russell Westbrook in
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the NBA had a similar situation. So I think maybe
if there's a situation in which, to your point, where
you have this rogue fan who keeps doing this to
a specific player and that player reports it immediately, I
mean you got to go, you get you get chance.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
And you gotta coming. I don't even.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
I don't think any and I could be wrong, but
from my knowledge and my I did my concept of
professional sports for sure, no player is going to come
to you as a security person and tell you that
this person is saying these things to me.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
That's going to be a fact.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
And so if I come to you with that fact
that that security guy, police officer, whatever, he's going to
go to that person and say, listen, if you say
anything else, you got one more time. If if somebody
comes back and says that you said this, you're out.
I mean, because it should.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
It should.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
It should be almost as close to zero tolerance as
they convinent.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
I wonder if that dude like had a phone and
he was just like trying to get attention, Like I
wonder if he if he.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Like, he's probably having fun. He's probably having.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Fun, and he's saying, I promise you he's not even
he's not even thinking that this one because you can't
get to me.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I can call you, I can call you anything I want.
Because you can't get to me.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
He's actually hoping that he will get attack because then
he can maybe seek some monetary you know, he wants money.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
There's always that possibility, and I wouldn't doubt it's you know,
but man, that's that's just it's just so tough man,
because it's like I understand the league perception and like
even maybe some fans perception like DK making where you
can't do that d d D. But it's like if
that guy is just like verbally abusing you all day,
all dam and and you you can't say all me, oh,
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you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
You know, how do you fix that? How do you feel?
Speaker 4 (49:40):
I think that's you have to try to figure out
how to how do we stop that? The league has
to figure out how do we stop that? Because I
think like the NBA, they have like they've developed that
sort of zero tolerance because even if you look at
the malice in the Palace and I know we're not
trying to go back there, that was a fan who
threw something on around our test, like they didn't just
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like you didn't have the players just go in the
crowd and just start you know, doing stuff. A fan
started you know, talking and then it then it got
physical and then the altercation went crazy.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
So fans got to take some responsibility too.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
And it's just like, dude, if you don't pay a
gazillion dollars to be because I looked at these tickets
in NBA NFL, like if you're that close them is expensive.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
It was like a mortgage payment. Bro, shouldn't you be
shouldn't you be shouldn't you be normal? Shouldn't you just
be proud that they should?
Speaker 4 (50:33):
That should come with autographs like I want a jersey
and don't want to autograph, but.
Speaker 5 (50:38):
I'm telling intentions.
Speaker 6 (50:41):
He wanted, he wanted to provoke him to physically a
talk so that you know, he could have some film
and have, you know, a reason.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
To to get and he's probably And the bad thing
about that, to your point, Lisa, is he's probably like
proud of that.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
He's proud of that, Like he's like, like I I
I provoked him.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
It blew my mind, like the guy has done it
to the same player before.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
And I think maybe maybe that's why d Mekea feelt
like comfortable pinting hands on him, because like, look he
because he probably had it. He's thinking in his mind
like I got a case like this is happened before.
Like I'm not gonna let you sit here and just
keep doing to your to your brain holler. It's like yes,
if I know that you're sitting in the front row
and you've been talking to me every game, every time
(51:27):
I come into the end zone you're saying something, then
I'm gonna have some recognition of who you are. Oh absolutely,
And so all of a sudden, if this, if something
like this all of a sudden happens and you go
there and you say that word to me, Yeah, we're done. Now,
that is I don't know you kind of I think,
you know, the league definitely has to do something about
(51:48):
the fans and then just the fans.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Man, just go to the game and have fun, man,
Like that's all you have to do. That's all you
have to do.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
Like it's exclusive game and have fun, cheer for your
team and do all that kind of stuff. It's cold,
like the food costs a gazillion dollars. Like just I mean,
and trust me, this is at every level. There's no
reason to get I don't care what the officials are saying,
(52:16):
they've got bad calls.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
All this kind of stuff does matter. You have nothing
to say. You can't change any of that. Just just
just watch it. Just watch it and enjoy, drink your beer.
Drink a beer and go home.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
Cheer a little bit.
Speaker 4 (52:31):
All right, Well we might have run a little bit
over today, but that was some of this needed to
get out today. All right, ladies and gentlemen, this is
Let's Talk with Curlee and Hollis Lewis and Lisa Odie
and we are out of here.
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Speaker 4 (00:51):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, This is Carl Lee with Let's Talk,
and I have both of my co hosts in the building,
Hollis Lewis and Lisa Odie.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
How are you too doing today?
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Ready for Santa? We're on the countdown now, aren't we.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Actually I don't even have my I don't have my
tree up yet.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
You shouldn't even bother now, I mean, yeah, just just
don't even worry about it till next year.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
All that we have is all we have is the
is the grandchild that we're getting anything for. And you know, so,
actually I'm I'm I'm going to assume because I'm not
putting it up.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, so Donna's putting it up. So when you going
to your son's house, I'm going to end up going
to my son's house. I'm also just.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Leaving the building.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Well see we we actually got a small tree now,
so it's one of those that you can just pick
it up, sit it away and it's all good. Well see,
I don't, but but I love Christmas and I love
all of the things that go around it.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
It's just so you don't it enough to put a
tree up.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
That's not my job.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Though he went there.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I did go there. That's that's job. She's she slipped.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
It, Donna. I hope you hear all of this.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Hopefully she's not gonna catch this show, all right. So man,
we got some crazy some some some crazy stuff.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
That's that's crazy, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So I will stay local here. Right right from the.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Start, we've got a coach mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
South Charleston Capital, I mean capital. I'm sorry that is leaving.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Second time?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Right, second time? Correct? Right? Right? That's the fact. Wow,
why why come back if you're going to leave again?
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I mean, is there any has there been any conversation
about like why not yet, just that he's that he
that he's leaving. Yeah, I mean I haven't heard anything directly,
only the coach carp Yeah, coach cart John Carpenter. What
I can assume, it's just like, you know, just the
(03:34):
nature of coaching has just changed, man, just with the
the mobility that players now have to go from school
to school, you're not in a situation where you can
collect talent like you once did, and your job as
a head coach is now just a little different because
you're not only do you have to quote unquote recruit
(03:57):
you know, players from the lower levels coming into the program,
but you need to recruit your locker room. So I
think the nature of you just going in coaching discipline,
those sort of things that we grew up on that
a coach was, it's not necessarily that anymore. From the
head coaching standpoint, your job is just markedly different. So
(04:18):
now you're almost just like a figurehead your recruiter, but
you still have to manage the program. So again, if
you didn't step into that, that's not what you signed
up for. I could see while it's not for you,
although you still may have the love for the occupation.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
And also, I mean, let's just face it, the compensation
is just it's not there, and it's a lot of
work for a little bit of money.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
You really have to love what you do.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
There's just so many other things that you could do
with your time unless you you know, you get so
deep into this, and I think you alluded to this earlier,
hollis about the middle schools. You can't depend on your
player coming from your feeder schools because they can choose
any high school they want to go to. So you
don't know what you're gonna get from year to year,
(05:07):
and that makes it even more challenging. But seriously, if
they're going to put more and more on these head
coaches at the high school level, they need to consider
more compensation for what they do for their time one
hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
And to put it specifically, when you talk about that compensation,
it's forty five hundred dollars yeah. Year. And what people
don't understand, not just for football, for any of these
coaches out here, you're not only coaching in the season.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So in the season you may.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Spend, in addition to your day job and coaching, you
may be working you know, one hundred hours.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
That way, Oh sure, right, every dead up.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And then you're working in the off season with quote
unquote recruitment. I'm not sam recruitment, but quote unquote recruitment.
And you still have to have an off season program.
You still have the flex weeks during the summer, so
you're spending a new more amount of time doing that,
trying to be good, trying to coach kids, trying to
be a mentor. And the compensation, like you said, this
(06:03):
just doesn't add up. I mean because and and I'll
let you go, but even capitalists form a basketball coach.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Matt Green.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
One of the reasons I and again it's just my
conjecture he went to a different occupation because again he's
spending all that time doing this, and you're just not
being compensated to somewhere as adequate. And I can I
can speak for me, and I'm gonna and I think
this will fit a lot of coaches when you hear
(06:36):
the amount of what what you're getting paid, I think
in your in your thoughts, Okay, I'm not worried about that.
That's that's not necessarily the issue. I really want to
make sure I can I can bring this team along.
I can, I can work with these kids. I can
do these kinds of things. And I hate to say this,
(06:59):
but some of the problem you can be created by
the parent of a good of a kid who's a
talented kid because of the actual reality of playing at
a team that's winning. Everybody wants to play at a
team that's winning. But at some point in time, you
(07:20):
gotta play. I mean, you're gonna you gotta play where
you are and accept that reality because it is again
the life lessons that you get in sports.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's just not the reality.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I know, I understand what you're saying, but we can't
keep saying that because it's just not But but I cannot.
For me, okay, for me, I can't look at it to.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Be just about the money, just about winning. I can't.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I mean, And but parents would argue and say, well,
it's not about that, it's about opportunity, it's about fairness.
They're gonna come up with any thing that would justify
doing whatever they want to do. So I don't make
it right. I ain't saying to make it right, but
I'm saying they can come up. They can counter your
argument with a number of different ways. So I'm saying
(08:09):
from a coaching standpoint, if I because again we gotta
parents have always kind of been an issue, and then
in the background that's not that's been since the beginning
of high school sports, but since we made it an
important thing, there's always been a parent, a loudmouth da
da da da da. Now the problem is not only
I do it. I gotta deal with the parent, but
I also got to deal with the reality that if
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I don't appease this parent and this kid, now, my
talent's gonna walk out the door. And you to your point,
if you have that talented kid, not only is he
gonna walk out the door, he probably gonna take two
or three of his buddies with h So now I
may lose the talented kid, I may lose depth. So
it's like, and to Lisa's point, if I'm not being
(08:51):
compensated adequately, what is the point of me doing this?
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Yeah, and here's another point to go with the commons.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
A lot of the coaches we know this.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I mean some are retired people, but also a lot
of them are are their day job is teaching and
so that that is their income for their their family
to be able to pay the bills, and and a
lot of teachers, a lot of male teachers, I'm female.
Two take second jobs just to be able to make
it from day to day to pay their bills, take
(09:22):
care of their families. And if they're having to spend
all their time after work doing a job that they're
not compensated for, I mean that that that's a big sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And then you got to deal with everything and deal.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
With everything else.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I mean, and for me, I just don't.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I don't see.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I don't see free money, whether it be high school
or college, to be paid out to athletes.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Now what I will say, I will I would agree to.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
A systematical structure of let's say Hollis is the best
player on my team and there are two other quarterbacks.
If you're a quarterback, you're the starter, you get just
as a hypothetical, you get ten dollars.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
The other ones, the other two get five.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
To me, it should be it's not like Hollis can
come in negotiate with me like he is a pro athlete.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Like, I just don't that's reality.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Now I do, I realize it's reality. I'm just I'm
just saying I'm.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
The dude who's who who doesn't like it? And I'm
pushing a rock uphill. I believe that.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I believe that, and I know no one's going to
really listen to me.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
But even if they agree, we I understand that we
don't have a chance of getting that kind of a structure.
But sooner or later, the state of West Virginia is
not going to pay to pay these players the money
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they're going to be.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
We're not talking about pay pay.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Players aren't necessarily getting paid to a to a large
clip now. And if they are getting paid, this from
outside sources, not a state thing. The problem is is
that if I'm a coach and I gotta deal with
all this, I need to be getting paid. We need
to pay the coaches more. I'm getting the money.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I'm making a full time job. I mean I don't
even have to teach.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
I mean that that is a full time position in
whatever county district.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Work a problem with that, though.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
The problem with it, I know where you're say it's
going to come into Title nine issues because now it's
going to be a specifically women's sports coaches who are
gonna say, well, I need to be full time and
we know that state can't afford to pay all the
coaches full time. So my proposal is that you pick
out two coaches, so one coach from one sport and
(12:06):
one coach from the other sport. You make those coaches
full time employees. So you know, maybe in a perfect world,
be a coach from a god sport, coach from a
women's sport, right.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Each school, at each school. Okay, and hold up here,
here's what it be though.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
You would your your your primary job would be to coach,
would be to raise money, work alongside the a D.
And then in addition, you would be responsible for substitute duties.
So now that school, if a teacher's out, they don't
have to call another substitute. You would already have two
(12:44):
in the building, so you would handle substitute duties when
you could disciplinary issues, coaching and helping the a D.
That that would be my proposal, and you would.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Just have high school. Would they would sub every day? Yes,
I'm telling you I mean, and that would take away
from their time to do their job.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Though, right, what I'm saying and what makes what I
say you you can't just be like because you're not
gonna like coach football for eight hours in a day
and then coach in the evening. So there's gonna be
sometimes I'm not saying you coach, excuse me, sub every day,
but that would just be part of it.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
They can't find.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
What if you can't sell, what if you've not ever
been a teacher, you've just been You have to get
all those licenses and everything. Anybody can sub. You can
sub right now a long as you go take the
class sign up. Anybody can sub, as long as you
don't have a criminal record. But what I'm saying is
I think that's a way to justify that because we
can't because in the state of West Virginia, you can't
just say, Okay, here's a football coach, We're gonna pay
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you sixty seven thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
That's not a reality of where we're at now, we're
not Texas.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
But but can we get to like an actual pay,
like something that's an actual adult who gets paid a year.
But again, your problem is is not not necessarily that's
we probably can, but you can't afford to pay every
coach because now every coach from every sport would wanted
some conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Okay, and I understand that, but.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
If if you rank football as your biggest money maker.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Okay, I think you can.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Okay, so football, basketball, so that's girls and boys, basketball, track, baseball,
whatever that is.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Everybody has a structure.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Because football is going to bring in more money for
most schools anywhere.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, but you can't.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
But the thing is football is always going to be
that I understand.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
So let me ask you, guys, this why you go
down this rabbit hole. If if the boosters, let's say
you're at a specific high school and the boosters raise
money and concession stands and car washes, can they compensate
the coach in addition to what they're being paid by
the county?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Is that legal?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That's a good question. And I do not have the
answer to that.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Isn't want to solve.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Like so again, you have an.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Inner city school, poor community or rural community first an
affluent community, then that creates an unfair advantage.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
That's true, But it happens at the collegiate level.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
That's not you're talking about college. I mean, high school
is a little different, so our rules is different in college.
And I think, but here's the thing to every every
point or every effort that we that we put out,
we still have these restrictions or these situations that are
(15:45):
you can't really do that, and you know and and
so you have all this you can't do this, but
you but but you need to fix But I think
you just have to make it equitable. That's why I
would say, essentially, you just pick a men's and a
women's sports coach and make them full time employees and
they would have other duties in addition to their coaching duties.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
But I don't think it can be I should.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
I don't know where they would get the funding for that,
first of all, counting.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I mean, if you think about what they pay a
substitute every day, or you think about what that make.
In addition, one of y'all got to be the a
D cut the AD position out. So I'm just saying,
it's like, I think there is a fix. We got
to be creative. But to your point, but and again,
that's not even a fair fix, because other coaches will say, well,
(16:35):
that's not fair because again football coaches. Football coach generally
is always going to get their job unless you don't
have a football team. And if you're the baseball team
or the track team, and you have a historically good team,
you can say, well I deserve that, not them, because
my team is we're always winning championships. Cause you know,
like I know, even if you got a quote unquote
(16:57):
not very good football team, generally they're gonna make more
money than if you have an all world track team,
right because football is generally from the college level down,
is the sport that makes money. Everybody else generally loses money.
Besides women's basketball and men's basketball.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I think just to start is just a double. Maybe
they're stipend, maybe that's maybe that's I mean, just to
start and then you know, I think what you're saying
is is is a great proposal. But that's the funding
in public schools right now is you know every year
it goes down with we know where it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Can come from. But we're gonna get political.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Right right, right, right, right right right. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
But but all we with with all of that and
you all secrets, okay.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Not to talk about.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Well you just don't go there.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
And I'm not even going to push that. But what
I'll say is for me, I'm looking I'm looking at
trying to get the best for the for the kids
that are playing.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
They need, they need a coach card.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
You know they need a coach that's going to be
out there, that's going to be.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Back the experience, want.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
The best from them, not just football, but academically and
all of the whole thing. We're getting to a point
where are we just going to like just give anybody
that four thousand dollars and say, hey, go with I
think the young man who got who I think who
we think got the position Terran rush I think he's
going to be able to do a phenomenal job. He's
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integrated hisself into the community, he relates to the young man.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
So he'll do it. He'll do a fabulous job.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
But even even to that point, Hell, the parents they
know everything, so let them deal with you know everything.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
So you got it. We don't need coaches no more.
We got parents, and yeah we're all good.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
See to your point knocking for language.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
To your to your point, you've got you can't say
as a parent, when you get a new coach, you're
happy for a day and a half, and then as
soon as the very first practice, the very first game
shows up and you lose or or you don't have
(19:22):
that many kids on the team, how do you turn
around and say that's the coach's issue.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I don't know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I feel like, I just feel like, if you're going
to be a parent and you've got a kid that's
playing on a team that is not successful and not
successful because coach, because coaches, coaches come and coaches go,
and the record still says the same, that's because of
the kids. That's not you know, that's I disagree with that.
(19:54):
I disagree with that.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Coach. It makes a difference. I believe it makes a difference.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
But coach makes a huge I agree with you. But okay,
but you've got to have players to play.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
But I think even if we seem like an example
of Steve Edwards and GW you got one feet of schools,
he's done it for almost thirty years and while he
hasn't won a state championship, he's been to multiple state
championships and been a consistent playoff team since two thousand.
Coaching is what makes it. I am not taking anything
from him, but you have a you have a community
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that is a solid community that that kids are coming.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
He had that community.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
That community was there from nineteen eighty five to nineteen
ninety nine, and they was losing all that time.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I'm not trying to take.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
But he's going he's going to he's going to come in,
he's going to change the structure. He's gonna he has
probably a thousand, a thousand times better I of what
this team can do then probably any coach anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
That's all catch that's coloot.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
But but he's going to get his community to show up.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
He's going to get that.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Community to shah.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
It's coaching. Coach makes the difference.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
He's also going to bring in the players from other
areas parts of the county just for the fact that
the educational opportunity that those students are given there to
compared to some other high schools.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I mean, it's part of the package.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
I mean, that's that's a great you know, one of
the blue ribbon schools of the state.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
And I can't and and and but I got to
fight with him first. Here's here's here's my here's my
concern with that when you say that Capital Charleston High
has been an area of.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Success in in sports.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Coach after coach after coach after coach after coach. Now
all of a sudden, because of the structure that's in
sports you can take that coach whoever he is, and
he can't hold on to kids because whether they don't
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like it, they don't like the screaming, they don't like
the running, they don't.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Like any of that kind of stuff, and they're gonna
go somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
That's how you end up falling to the bottom and
not having it.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And where do I want to go?
Speaker 4 (22:39):
You got I'm I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go
to to to to coach at which.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And I'm not taking from his great day.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
You have to have a coach who can adjust to
the times. Just like prior to coach Edwards, that's that
was a football was not even looked at it. It
was all basketball and we were a sideshow far as
the football team. But just you articulated, he got into
the community, he made it work and the rest is history.
So if you're looking at like a Capitol coach, which
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I think Aran will do a good job, it's your
job to get into the community, figure out what's broken,
try to fix it. And you got to start at
the community level. Bring that to the practice field and
then you'll be off. So again it's about coaching. Now
you again.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Player you have to have talent, that's part. We all
know that.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
But to your point, if you want to keep those players,
if you want to bring in other players for different communities,
that takes the centerpiece of the coach to put all
that together and and be that that peg to to
hold that community up for whatever face it is is.
It's about coaching.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
And the coach also has to understand that this is
a this is a new age athlete. This this athlete
is not only You're not only competing for them on
the field, You're competing with social media. You're competing with uh,
you know at the collegiate level in IL.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
I mean, they're aware of everything. It's not like whenever.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
These high school kids twenty years ago didn't have access
to all this.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
So whoever comes in and.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Coaches these students, they they have to understand this is
a whole different world and they have to they have
to adapt to it.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That's why I think Taran is gonna be perfect for this.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
He's young, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah, And speaking of new age, we got a we
had a boxing there. Yeah, oh so Jake Paul. He
took on Joshua Anthony, former heavyweight champ. We also had
some good undercards. You had Anderson the Spider Silver ucf
ucf UFC Legend. You had Alicia the bomb Bumgardner, she
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defended her title in the decision, and my man Jake
Paul finally, I think he finally had a quote unquote
real boxing match. And he took one to the jar
and it got and it got broke.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
In more than one place. Actually, Yeah, Like.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
If there's a sport that I'm not going to just
jump in and.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And assume that.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
No, no, no, that's you can't experiment in the boxing
and get in the ring now and and again, Hollis,
I think we were talking a little bit before the show.
I think the fights that he has had before, Paul,
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I don't know if they were like quote real, I
think like I think it was just it almost seemed
like the boxing was looking for a new star and
and they and they wanted to maybe start with him
coming up through the ranks. But if you're not a
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boxer and you want to jump into a ring with
a boxer.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
You you're you're in.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
You're in trouble, and you're gonna be on a liquid
die a little bit like and.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
And this fight was that understanding of Okay, maybe I'm
not a boxer. Yeah, and again he's quote unquote had
fights or exhibitions with like Floyd Madwether, Mike Tyson, a
couple of UFC guys. But I, like you said, I
think this was the real deal.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
I think Anthony probably just you know, he wanted to
give the crowd something that I think he knocked him
out in the fourth round. But overall, like I said,
I think, you know, it's that old adage like all
publicity's good publicity, which.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I don't think that's true. I don't. I don't think,
you know.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Especially if you're a boxing purist like we said in
the in the in there, I mean, nobody wants to
if you're really a real boxing fan like you say
you are, girl, you don't want a gimmicky fight like no,
that takes away from it.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
I don't want to hear about Jake Paul's life over here.
I want to hear about how many fights has he had,
who did he beat?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Legitimate fights? I want to I want to see that.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And he's fighting just the most notable people for the
most money.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That is not even.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Do you know how much. It was like three million, and.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I think that's probably you can break.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
And I think that is Christmas and I think that's
the silver lining, right. The silver lining is that maybe
you know, Paul turns into a promoter because he did
bring boxing to Netflix. Ain't gonna say he brought it
to Netflix, but he made a prominent on Netflix where
they're a major player. So hopefully we can get some
legitimate fights, because I think to the sport, it does
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do damage to the sport when you have your top
ranked athletes going against these hoky you know, exhibition fights,
because I wanted to see like Anthony and Tyson Furial,
Anthony and Deontay Water, Tank Davis or you know some
of the legitimate guys.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
You know, how did and so help me with this?
Speaker 4 (28:13):
How did those names get jumped over ignored? And you
get Jake Paul in there. I mean, because he's a draw.
He's the money guy. You're not making that ninety whatever.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Million, Yeah, those other guys.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
So it's it's about money because the other part of that,
if I'm going to get hitting the head for a living,
I want to make the most money possible. So it's
like if I got to fight this hoky exhibition, then
I'll just do that to you know.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Cash out.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Do you think he's done, Paul, I think the legitimate,
I think the novelty of its worn off. I hope
what can happen though, because here's a good thing about
what he what he does in all seriousness, now we
know that between him and the other fights, but he
has a bunch of undercars that are legitimate, right, so
we got to see and this and the Spider Silver,
we got to see Alicia Bumgardner. We got to see
those legitimate fights make real brain on prime time TV.
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So I think that's what he does great. So hopefully
he can he can flip this into you know, being
a promoter and being and actually bringing boxing back.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
To to where it's going to be this kind of box.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
But that's what I'm saying. I hope it's not.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
And I think boxing has got to do something about
Number one, it's timing, and we don't want to sit
necessarily and watch like five hours of undercards, you know
what I'm saying, kind of like give us three three
quality bouts. Pit it at the the you know, the
main event maybe at eight.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
O'clock, nine o'clock, not eleven, you know, because East Coast
it really kills you.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
You up at twelve o'clock trying to watch I'm like
you halfway falling asleep, and you gotta take a nap.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You gotta plan your day around today.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
That's because we're senior citizens.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
And I think too, like you know, when when you
start looking at like who's going to be on the card,
the lack of promotion of some of these boxers hurts
the boxing structure as a whole because back in the day,
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you knew, you knew almost somebody on each one of
the cards, heavyweight, light weight, and you you knew one
of the boxers really well.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
You got to feel the card. Yeah, you can't. You
can't go out there and just put Joe.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Blow and and and and Freddy going against each other.
And again I think I think with this, with this
one in particular, he did a good job of doing that.
I mean, some of the people, if you don't know it,
you may not know him. But like I said, and
as in the Spider Sivil, Lashia, Bumguard, if you knew
those names, like if you're familiar with combat sports, you
know those names, right, but they don't. But to your point,
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I think boxing definitely has to do something about establishing
that crossover pill like it once had, because we need boxers,
you know what I'm saying, Like, we need boxers, not
somebody that's doing something else.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, I don't want to show.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I want guys who are trying to come up trying
to win the heavyweight championship, the lightweight championship, Like I
want guys to be doing that, like that's what they do.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
They do.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
They're not coming in from another sport and jumping in
to the ring and trying to win.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, here's just an example
of we knew what was going to happen because you know,
the official way in for the for the boxing for
the event, Joshua towered five inches above his opponent that
weighed almost thirty pounds more than him. So what did
you expect to have happened when they got in the ring?
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Good point? Yes? And okay, so and again, how do
you how was that a fight? How was that?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
You're not even you're not even in that, You're not close,
you're not even close to that weight limit. Like so
you you can't be a heavyweight. You're not a heavyweight
you're fighting a heavyweight.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
I mean, this guy didn't he box in the Olympics
at one point, Like he's just a renowned anthony.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, yeah, he's a heavyweight chair.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Yeah, that's what I thought. And then you know, here
comes in and you look.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
At him stand side by side, and I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Yeah.
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Speaker 4 (33:20):
All right, we're back well speaking of speaking of an
in balanced matchups. Yeah, so we had the college football
playoffs this week in the first round, so you had
JMU Tulane both taking some some pretty big wolpings. There's
some talks about whether they should have should not got in,
but I like it. You give the little guys a chance.
(33:42):
Now again, jam you would they had to travel to Oregon.
That was a tough call. Uh, Tulane going to Mississippi,
Oh Miss. You know again, I think oh Miss is
playing with a little chip on the shoulder.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
So do you think they should have let like Miami
and the other schools in possibly or this was the
right call?
Speaker 5 (34:02):
I mean, I think it was the right call.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
You've got to you've got to give a little bit
of motivation to those Power five schools, you know, to
give them hope that they.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Can make the playoff, you know, and Jay and you
you know that they didn't. They weren't.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
It wasn't as horrible of a loss for them as
it was for for Tulane. I mean, I feel like
Tulane just got blown out of the water forty one
to ten, But you know, fifty one to thirty four,
that's respectable. I mean they're with their offense. The offense
was you know, they did a decent job. It was
the defense. I mean in order tough road trip.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, and you're going to cross the country.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Yeah, that's like's I mean, even if it was like
a Power five equally situated school, I think that's just
a tough task for anybody.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Oh yeah, December going across the country playing a roll game.
See what? What's what? What? What bothers me is like
either you have.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I mean, it's clear to see who's a better team.
Like and in some of this structure, you're you're looking
at a team that you already are when you're already
looking at it saying Okay, I wonder how bad this
score is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, something's wrong with that picture. Yeah, you know what
I'm saying, something's wrong with that picture?
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Is legit. This year they're they're legit.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
I mean I could maybe see them giving people fits.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
They may make the whole run.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
But and how about Alabama.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
That was that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
It was crazy and nothing. They were seventeen and nothing.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
They may score twenty four uns points and I hate
to see that.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Gosh, I wanted them to lose, go away.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Well that was crazy because you know, last year, everybody
complained about the first round the home teams one one.
You know, everything in blue teams out. This year the
visitors one.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Yeah, Miami one of Miami one. Yeah, that was the closest.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Alabama went over Oklahoma. He said, yeah, that was a
defensive Strugah, yeah, like I said. And then we in
the next round. You got Miami over excuse me, Ohio,
excuse me, Miami at Ohio State. You got Oregon at
Texas Tech, you got Alabama at Indiana, and then Old
Missa Georgia. Now, one of the controversies that were a
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lot of people ain't gonna say a lot, but some
people were complaining about is that these are home games,
where these playoffs should be neutral site games.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
At that point, I think they should.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Should be you think so I think so too.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
You think so, yeah, the first round is okay, first.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
So you're saying second round, yes, so, but but but
that would mean the team who had to buy would
have to wouldn't have that home field advantage.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
They would be at a neutral That's all right, you think,
So they got the buy.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Wow, the benefit benefit, The benefit is the boy, the
benefit is the benefit. So what's what's the what's the
argument for making it a neutral site game as opposed
to a home game?
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Because because the home game is a home game, think
about the crowd. That that that changed is the whole
dynamic of the game.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
If you believe in the idea of home field advantage,
which I do.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Then you're already giving me a head start.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
But it's a big But it's a playoff game, So
why shouldn't I have every other home every excuse me,
every other playoff the higher seed plays it own every
every every every NFL team is fighting for home field advantage.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Why why it's an advantage?
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Okay, So so if we everybody knows that if there's
an advantage of being home, especially in the playoffs, So
second round of some sort, if you want to call
it that, why are we why are we not at
a at a neutral think but why why would we
be at a neutral field? Because we want to make
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it as even as we can.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
So you want to you so you're saying you gonna
make it even. I want to make it even.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
Okay, Big ten in the SEC every year getting getting
the home games. I mean that's a legitimate argument. I mean,
you know, I mean you got to give these teams
a little bit of a I don't want to say
an edge, but a little.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Bit of fairness.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
But in addition, so we're saying fairness, we're saying like equitable.
Do you think like this would like help like sort
of re establish that tradition of Bowl games to have
a neutral.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Something that that would be a good way to fit
the games back in.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yes, because again think about it, you.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Can you can combine it.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
You're in the NFL and you got like you what
are you trying to get for the playoffs? Home field advantage?
Home field advantage? Why should this be different?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Though?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
That's what I'm trying to say. The NFL is what
it is because high school is what it is. Because
because I'm going to make the case that that should
be changed.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Why hold on you.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I think, I know the NFL is not gonna change,
but collegiate high school I'm okay with you getting that first,
and that some of this is some of this is money.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
All of it it's money.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
You you want those home games for playoffs so that
you can make the money. I understand that, and that's
a and that's a huge benefit to the school. But
at the end of the day, to me, I want,
I want the best game. And and I believe, I
believe if you take if you gotta travel and I
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gotta travel, and we're gonna meet at another place, we
got a better chance.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
You're saying all playoff well, second.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
And second round rounds, whatever, So you say those games
should be neutral I've actually I mean, that's actually give
me something to think about, because I've never heard that
perspective before. I mean, I've never heard somebody say like, well, okay,
these should be neutral site games.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I mean, that's that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
You flying, you're flying three of or hours somewhere, get
off the plane, get your.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Stuff, throw it in the hotel on the field.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
You gotta go. So now you gotta go get that
that practice in. Right now, the other team is sitting
at home. They didn't already practice there, they're chilling watching TV.
But that's just tru But but that's what you get
for being a higher seed. That's the I don't I don't,
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
It doesn't work for me. It's collegiately, that's what reason.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Because because this is like because we're naming it, they
just name these games bowl games. But they're not bowl
games in the sense that they are going to the
specific location that these bowl games were held in. So
Miami and Ohio they're playing in the Cotton Bowl, Oregon,
Texas Tech they're playing in the Orange Bowl. Alabama and
Indiana they're playing in the Rose Bowl, and then Old
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Miss and Georgia are playing in the Sugar Bowl. So again,
traditionally the Sugar Bowls in New Orleans, the Rose Bowls
in Pasadena, the Boat the Orange Bowls in Miami, and
then the then the Cotton Bowl would be in Texas.
So you're just saying keep them where they tradition. Yeah yeah, wow,
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you took at a first step further to say all
playoff games should just be neutral. I think that now,
if let's just say a bowl is a certain bowl
is somewhere Okay, and you happen to be in that Bowl.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Okay, I might. That's different.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
You just got lucky.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
You just got lucky.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
You get to play at home, you know, or at
least close to home. But for the most part, like
I feel like I'd be fine if all of the
all the Bowl games were somewhere that didn't necessarily have
a legitimate cone.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
That is interesting. That's an interesting I've never thought about that.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
I think that's a great.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
I legitimately, I've never even considered that, you know, outside
of the Bowl.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
But when they get to host these games, this is
this is out of my curiosity, and you guys may
know the answer.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Whenever, you know, the.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Opposing team goes to Ohio State or whoever's hosting, do they.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
Split the revenue or is it just the home team.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Gets a revenue? I don't. I don't.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
That would be another argument.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
For that, if Bowl games or something like that.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
I don't know if that's the I don't know if
that's yeah, if it's a playoff game, so.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
If you would you get all the money you.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Share because you're using your resources, your employees and everything
like that.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I don't. Yeah, I don't know. I don't see. I
don't know if it be like down the middle. No,
I don't think that. I don't think that.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
I think another reason to make it neutral on mind, Yeah,
because to me, because then it would have to be
split right down the middle.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Because that's somewhere.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
That the benefit of having, you know, the playoff game
Bowl game at your field is money, right, I'm not
sharing it with Hollis. There would be no reason for
me to share that with Hollis. But if we now
are playing in a neutral if we're playing at a
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neutral site, then we can split that money. And what
we now now we both can can can really fight
for get people at the game.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (43:16):
It's not just your home. Yeah, schools gets the chance.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
To get all right, So speaking, we got one probably
one last topic.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
We have a.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Pittsburgh Stiller wide receiver boy apparently accosted a fan who
was in close proximity to the sideline.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Apparently the fan.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
The Pittsburgh apparently I was just asking keep.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
Accusing me of that's a good look for you.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
The fancy has some derogatory remarks in the tone of
a of racist remarks.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, that's what I think that was. Got the that's
what got it going out there.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
So I mean, what do we think about, like the
incident that happened on what should be the punishment if
any like?
Speaker 7 (44:13):
What?
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Well, let me tell you what I found out on
the internet.
Speaker 6 (44:16):
And I don't know if it's true or not. I
think it should be because it was under CBS Sports.
But supposedly this particular fan has had a run in
with him before when he was a Seahawk. Yeah, I
think I saw that, and they were playing in Detroit,
the Seahawks in Detroit, and he actually had to report
the fan to NFL security during that game.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
It's the same fan, Oh so he's previously reported Yes.
Speaker 6 (44:41):
Yes, And to me, I mean if he's if the
fan is actively pursuing the player to taunt him, to
to to provoke him, we're in his number, right then
we need to address fan behavior as much as we
do player behavior. I'm sorry, I mean, I feel like
he should be held responsible just as much as d
(45:04):
K is.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
I'm I'm I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
I know the NFL probably disagrees with me.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I mean, it's gonna take it's
gonna take a lot of control internal control for you
to to be by that fence. Here's somebody. Well let me, well,
have you had a similar situation which you had like
a fan of somebody who was just lighting you up,
(45:34):
just saying like the nastiestuff possible. Well, yeah, like I've
had somebody talk about being with my mom, you know,
as as a as a fan, and you like, I'm
hearing it. I hear him, right, There's nothing for me.
There's there's nothing really for me to do. You know.
(45:55):
I can't go and jump up and try to grab them,
punch him or whatever because one nobody else is gonna
say they heard that.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
At least on the field, right, So it looks like
me like I'm doing you you had this thought process,
why why this is going on?
Speaker 4 (46:17):
I just looked, I just look I just looked at him,
trying to figure out, like, dude, like what like what
would make you say that at a football game? Right?
Speaker 6 (46:25):
Like?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Where?
Speaker 5 (46:26):
Where?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Where does that?
Speaker 5 (46:27):
And I think where the fans some fans take.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
They they go too far, they go too far in.
Speaker 6 (46:33):
The field and you can't really respond and they know
that they want to push those buttons.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
To me, I feel like there should be there should
be anywhere that there's a fan base, there should be security.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Along the fence, on the bleachers, in the end zone,
down on the sidelines to where they hear those things
or they hear those people actin stupid and you either
put them out or do you do all that. You
have the possibility, you have the capability, you have the
funding to be able to secure that boundary of the
(47:13):
football field if you choose to do it. I think
you're right, and I think it's got to be like
a sort of like a zero tolerance because I think
if you're a player, we can't like if maybe those
things were said to somebody on the street, it would
be a similar reaction. You can't expect these players just
to be non reactions. I think like Russell Westbrook in
(47:34):
the NBA had a similar situation. So I think maybe
if there's a situation in which, to your point, where
you have this rogue fan who keeps doing this to
a specific player and that player reports it immediately, I
mean you got to go, you get you get chance.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
And you gotta coming. I don't even.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
I don't think any and I could be wrong, but
from my knowledge and my I did my concept of
professional sports for sure, no player is going to come
to you as a security person and tell you that
this person is saying these things to me.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
That's going to be a fact.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
And so if I come to you with that fact
that that security guy, police officer, whatever, he's going to
go to that person and say, listen, if you say
anything else, you got one more time. If if somebody
comes back and says that you said this, you're out.
I mean, because it should.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
It should.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
It should be almost as close to zero tolerance as
they convinent.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
I wonder if that dude like had a phone and
he was just like trying to get attention, Like I
wonder if he if he.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Like, he's probably having fun. He's probably having.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Fun, and he's saying, I promise you he's not even
he's not even thinking that this one because you can't
get to me.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I can call you, I can call you anything I want.
Because you can't get to me.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
He's actually hoping that he will get attack because then
he can maybe seek some monetary you know, he wants money.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
There's always that possibility, and I wouldn't doubt it's you know,
but man, that's that's just it's just so tough man,
because it's like I understand the league perception and like
even maybe some fans perception like DK making where you
can't do that d d D. But it's like if
that guy is just like verbally abusing you all day,
all dam and and you you can't say all me, oh,
(49:36):
you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
You know, how do you fix that? How do you feel?
Speaker 4 (49:40):
I think that's you have to try to figure out
how to how do we stop that? The league has
to figure out how do we stop that? Because I
think like the NBA, they have like they've developed that
sort of zero tolerance because even if you look at
the malice in the Palace and I know we're not
trying to go back there, that was a fan who
threw something on around our test, like they didn't just
(50:00):
like you didn't have the players just go in the
crowd and just start you know, doing stuff. A fan
started you know, talking and then it then it got
physical and then the altercation went crazy.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
So fans got to take some responsibility too.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
And it's just like, dude, if you don't pay a
gazillion dollars to be because I looked at these tickets
in NBA NFL, like if you're that close them is expensive.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
It was like a mortgage payment. Bro, shouldn't you be
shouldn't you be shouldn't you be normal? Shouldn't you just
be proud that they should?
Speaker 4 (50:33):
That should come with autographs like I want a jersey
and don't want to autograph, but.
Speaker 5 (50:38):
I'm telling intentions.
Speaker 6 (50:41):
He wanted, he wanted to provoke him to physically a
talk so that you know, he could have some film
and have, you know, a reason.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
To to get and he's probably And the bad thing
about that, to your point, Lisa, is he's probably like
proud of that.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
He's proud of that, Like he's like, like I I
I provoked him.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
It blew my mind, like the guy has done it
to the same player before.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
And I think maybe maybe that's why d Mekea feelt
like comfortable pinting hands on him, because like, look he
because he probably had it. He's thinking in his mind
like I got a case like this is happened before.
Like I'm not gonna let you sit here and just
keep doing to your to your brain holler. It's like yes,
if I know that you're sitting in the front row
and you've been talking to me every game, every time
(51:27):
I come into the end zone you're saying something, then
I'm gonna have some recognition of who you are. Oh absolutely,
And so all of a sudden, if this, if something
like this all of a sudden happens and you go
there and you say that word to me, Yeah, we're done. Now,
that is I don't know you kind of I think,
you know, the league definitely has to do something about
(51:48):
the fans and then just the fans.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Man, just go to the game and have fun, man,
Like that's all you have to do. That's all you
have to do.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
Like it's exclusive game and have fun, cheer for your
team and do all that kind of stuff. It's cold,
like the food costs a gazillion dollars. Like just I mean,
and trust me, this is at every level. There's no
reason to get I don't care what the officials are saying,
(52:16):
they've got bad calls.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
All this kind of stuff does matter. You have nothing
to say. You can't change any of that. Just just
just watch it. Just watch it and enjoy, drink your beer.
Drink a beer and go home.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
Cheer a little bit.
Speaker 4 (52:31):
All right, Well we might have run a little bit
over today, but that was some of this needed to
get out today. All right, ladies and gentlemen, this is
Let's Talk with Curlee and Hollis Lewis and Lisa Odie
and we are out of here.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
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Speaker 2 (53:10):
If you fall, does it, don't for get back up
for your feet.
Speaker 8 (53:13):
Anything can be a win, yup, even defeat the say
sugar bath for you wise. Vinetory Sweet couldn't play with
big kids. I had to sit in the street and
watch from a distance. But over time I grew if
I put in the work, and no time I'm doing
everything that I worked and prayed the moka.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
If you ask me how did I do? What, I'm
gonna say.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
You gotta work, cry shine, just mine, gotta show everybody
is my time hein here. You gotta work, cry shine
lover A mind.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Who talking died this day.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Line don't talk. You gotta work. You gotta work. You
gotta work. You gotta work. You gotta work. You gotta work.
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