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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 4 (00:22):
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Speaker 2 (00:54):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Missus Carley with Let's Talk, and I have in the
building today. I got my co host Hollis Lewis and
the Queen, Miss Lisodi.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
So it's been an interesting it's been an interesting kind
of a week. I guess even in in into the
whole sports.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I thought you were going to say, because I wasn't
here last week.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No no, we did. We didn't miss you. Now, yes
we did.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Go ahead, go ahead, but.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Our hometown colleges, our major colleges. I'm going to make
the case, Hollis that where where where are we heading?
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Where do you think our future is going to be
with one or both of them, whichever one if you
want to come from about Marshall, I think Marshall.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I think they're going to get it together.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
They played they went to uh Louisiana yet l U
l L and they played them tough. It was a
double overtime game that kind of you know, things just
fell apart. I think they just ran out of gas.
It was actually a phenomenal game. So I think they're
gonna be alright once they really get into the rhythm
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and get into a conference play, yeah, which they already
are in. But I really think they'll be all right again.
They probably won't win the conference this year, but I
think they'll end up having a winning record at least
in conference.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
WVU, on the other hand, it's just and I tell
people this all the time, regardless of who they're playing,
that Big twelve is just number one is just uneventful.
It's just not something that you get up for. It's
one of them things where I think more than strategy,
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more than even players sometimes I think, you know, Rich Roder,
whoever is the coaster, their job is to manage the emotions.
How do we get up to play? Who do we play?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Utah?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Utah? Utah? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Wow? Great?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, I mean no, but that's not a slight to Utah.
But they just don't have a history. It's Virginia Tech. Yeah,
and then next week you gotta go to you got
to go to b YU. So it's just like these
teams just aren't. It's connectivity as far as historical reference.
And and you know what, and Hollis, I'm glad you
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said that because and I'll just jump to let's so
let's just say, going back to my days in Minnesota.
The thing that you knew you were going to play
the Packers. You know what I'm saying, Like you knew,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I'm just saying, you knew.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
You're gonna you're gonna play the Packers, You're gonna play
the Bears.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You knew who you were gonna play.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And you and when you got on the field, whether
it be home or away, there was excitement of that
being a rivalry when you don't have that connection. To
be honest, I don't really know. It's just difficult. We
seen WVU this year when they had that emotion when
they're playing Pitt. We've seen what can happen when that
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emotions matches that talent and that acumen that they have
on the field. But outside of that, these games are
just emotionalless. The fans aren't necessarily I mean, as a
WU fan, of course you're excited to see WVU play,
but far as you're not excited to see BYU, you're
not excited to see Utah, you're not excited to see
Ohio University.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It changes your hotel game.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I'm with you definitely on that part. It's way easier
to get up for a rival like Pitt than it
is the you know, when Utah rolls into town. But
in all fairness to the team, earlier in the week,
and I was telling you this Hollis before we came
on that rich Rod had said in a press conference
he had like eight offensive players questionable and he knew
his starting quarterback Nico Marcio was out. He has a
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foot issue. He's in Colorado getting an evaluation, and who
knows when he'll be back. So basically, you have already
these guys that are questionable were already inexperienced, true, and
you're replacing inexperienced guys with more inexperienced and it's just
a you know, it's a terrible kind of a thing
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they're going through up there right now. With or without
the rivalry. I don't even know if that would have
been pitt even. I don't know if they had enough
players on that field that were experienced enough to lead
them to a victory like they did that week.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Okay, so let me ask the two of you all.
Do you think that the fan base somebody may not
have known that until you said it, right and reason?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
All right? Will the fan base be patient enough? Is that?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Is that enough for an excuse to say, okay, we'll
give you two or three more games to get some
guys back. Are the WANs that patient?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I mean, you gotta be patient?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I mean, come on, I mean, I know you're player,
I know you're in the fandom. I get it, you're
a fan of the team. You want to see your
team do well. But I mean, when you got eighty
plus players a whole new coaching staff. And like I said,
you're playing in the Big twelve, you never know what's
what you gotta give rich Rodd two three years. You
have to be I don't I don't think you cannot
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not be patient. You have to be patient.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I think I totally agree with that statement as well.
But I think I think the issue with rich Rod
he was already a controversial hire the way he left
West Virginia years ago to go to Michigan. Those diehard
fans still have a bad, bad taste in they're a
bad you know, thought in their mind and taste in
their mouth about the way he left, you know. And
and there was already this divide in you know, the fans,
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the people that wanted him back and the people that didn't.
It wasn't lukewarm. You either really wanted him back or
you didn't want him back at all. And so right now,
I mean fair or not? I mean I don't think
it's fair. But you know there's already talk about you know,
if he's not in the hot seat, he sure is
walking toward it. You know what.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
But I guess to that.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Point, which is fair from the fans, And well, I'll
say to the fans.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Who else was gonna take this job?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Amen, like like in also right, the person outside of
rich Rod, outside of maybe a WVU alump that was
gonna take this job, was gonna for the sole purpose
to take the job, build it up, win the conference,
and go get paid at another spot. Rich Rod is
the only I ain't gonna say, legit higher, but he's
the only name quote unquote higher. I'm not yeah, it's
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gonna take this job. And probably he ain't going. This
is rich Rod's probably last stop, right, He's committed to
building this up. So I say from that, you have
to give him some time. And I and that's a
great that's a great point.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And I'll add.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
To it to the fact that I'm not sure anybody
was really overly interested in taking that job because they
knew it.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
May take a while.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
If you give rich Rod the time and if you're patient, okay,
I think there's a turnaround.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
But here's here's here's what bothers me, or here's my
question or concern.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Every time.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Let's say, Hollisher, you know I bring you in from anywhere.
You know obviously you're gonna have been playing somewhere. I'm
bringing you in.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
You come in, I start you, and you place. You
just play? Well, how am I keeping? You see? Because
the problem with rebuilding.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's, you.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Know, you still have to keep.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
The players who are shining, and the players that are
shining aren't. Are they loyal enough to wu to say
I don't care, I'm gonna stay here all the way
through my tenure.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Probably, I mean probably not.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
But again, I think that's another problem that's perpetuated because
I mean not only just you know the state of
college athletics, but I think that's a problem because we're
not in the A c C. I really think until
we get into a c C, this is w VU
football and people don't have to get used. There's gonna
be some good years, it's gonna be some bad years.
It's gonna just be I think across the board is
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gonna be mediocre. We have to get into the ACC
because to your point, if I'm a player, and if
I'm you know, doing my thing, and if i'm you know,
all conference, all American and all that stuff, why would
I play. I'm gonna go to the A c C.
I want to go to the to the SEC. You know,
this is not an attractive conference. From the standpoint the
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wv U, we have to get to the ACC. And
until we get into the ACC, I think we're gonna
just have.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
These potential Do you think that's a reality? Do you
think that there's a chance at any time? I mean,
didn't they try that in the past The dissolved and
they couldn't.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Get any But I think, you know, I think it could.
Let me just say this, I don't know far as
like you know, prognice. I can't even say that word
truck trying to figure out the future. But what I
will say is that our athletic director and our president
and our coaches, they have to be vibal for They
got to be thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
How do we do this?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Somebody's got to be strategically planning for the next couple
of years and say, how do we get into the ACC?
Because I think that's going to just again just the
energy around w It's going to get like it was
big in the Big East. You know Big East years
were awesome. Yea, every every every week in conference place. Maryland,
it's pitt it's v Tech, it's North Carolina. You had Miami,
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you had those teams that you just knew in those
games that you had to watch.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Are you saying? Okay? And I and I think what
you're saying is some of the teams that were playing.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Or I shouldn't say we because I'm not a w view,
but the West Virginia's playing, we don't know about who
they are, not necessarily who they are, but they're not
They're not anybody that we really want to beat or
want that.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
We think.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It's travel too, don't you. I mean they yeah, get
from point b is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I mean, like you said, every week weekend we just
play Utah got beat really bad. Now you gotta fly
all the way to Utah. Yeah, but now you gotta
fly all the way to b yu. And the thing
about it is if you're in Morgantown, that means you're
driving forty five minutes an hour to Pittsburgh to get
on the get on the plane. So it's travel on
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type of travel, you know, going halfway across the country.
These ain't like road games where you're just going to
take you can take the bus and and different, and
you don't you're not supposed to quote lose to Utah,
not because Utah. No, I'm not saying I don't. I
don't mean because they're not that, but because in my
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head the way I see this, I'm thinking if I'm
a WVU fan, and I don't necessarily really I'm not
paying attention to Utah who they play, but all of
a sudden, we got them on our.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Schedule right when you're in conference.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, but I'm saying, so now we're playing them, I
don't think we're supposed to lose to them.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I don't know if my thoughts of a WVU football
fans they I think that they have always had a
higher expectation, whether or not the team could meet it
or not, they've always had a higher expectation.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And the whole Penn State.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Games all those kind of things, they believed back in
the day that they should win those games. And no,
and again me just being me, not paying any attention
to Utah, thinking that they would lose to Utah, I
would say, no, they wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
They wouldn't lose to them. That should be a game
that they should win.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
But all I know is we're they are zeroing to
in Big Twelve play, and these two games they have
not even been in They have not for a second
been part of the game. And that's the scary part
because even though the Big twelve is not a big
a good fit for WVU in my opinion like yours,
but it's a tough, tough conference. I mean, it's there's
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no Kekewalks in it, and I just don't know. Unless
this team gets healthier as the year goes on, it's
gonna be tough for them to win some games.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, And just looking at that, I mean because we
talk a lot, you know, in IL, we talk a
lot about transfer portals, but just looking at college football overall,
outside of WVU, there's been a lot of great parody,
just you know, looking at the scores, looking at who's winning,
looking who's losing. So I think that, you know, if
we can survive this year without getting too banged up,
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keep some of that core pieces and then get some
other transfers coming in, I think WU has a shot
to turn it around.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
But it's not gonna be this year. Are you are?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You can you keep the best player, let's say the
top eight. I think you'll keep some I mean, like
I said, you'll keep some guys. Some guys are gonna go,
some guys are gonna stay, but you have to Again,
it's one of them situations where you have to recruit
them guys. You got to be almost recruiting them now.
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And these are guys within your locker room. You got
to be recruiting them, guys, your core pieces to figure
out who that core is, like you said, Lisa said,
throughout this, you know this, next, you know, five or
six ball games, and then you got to be looking
out to who possibly can get in the next couple
of months.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And I found this interesting and maybe Matt can help
me out with this one and our producer. But there
was a press conference earlier. This maybe was this week
or last week. Might have been last week or the
week before. It's what I meant, not this week. It's Monday,
but anyway, it was about his recruiting tactics. He wants
to focus on high school players. Somewhere I read that,
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and that he wants to develop those players so that
they become, you know, a part of WU lore, like
that would be their first and last stop. I'm not
sure if that's a good strategy in his mind, he
feels like, you know, it's the way that not total
high school kids, but he wants to focus on them.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I actually think that's not a bad idea. Again, it's
one of them situations in which does he will he
have the time to do that. I really don't think
it's a bad idea because if you can get you
twenty thirty high school guys that are legit dudes, three four,
five star guys, and you can develop them over two, three,
maybe four year period, that sets us up in the
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future to be pretty good.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
So I think, and again, and you also have to
look at it from.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
The financial standpoint, because to your point, we're not Georgia,
We're not Alabama. We're not going to have the resources
to cut five and you know, six and seven figure
deals just throughout our roster. So high school because from
a financial standpoint, maybe the way to go and.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
That philosophy ahead the court that you're talking about.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
What he was saying there was because they had such
a late start on recruitment.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Okay, they didn't get a chance to really get a
lot of high school so he wants to start focusing.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
He said, next year we'll be when they'll have more
high school players in hopefully.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, but now will they thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Will he be able to entice them to come to
WU if they don't, let's say they don't have a
great season.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Can he entice them?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Is he's gonna have to entice them with the N
I L Or can he entice them with the school
and the.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Maybe with ties like maybe focused on players that their
their families have ties to the school. That might be
you know, a route that might work for him.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
See.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Money definitely always works. It just depends on how much
he has of it.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
See, and that's what See, that's what that's what scares
me about Marshall and WVU in the whole recruiting process
and or the getting other players that are that are
playing now. So you're not getting high schools because high
school recruiting is a challenge now because you don't have
time to wait on that guy to develop.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
But if you but that tells me he's committed, Like
he's not going anywhere. If he's thinking about reading high
school kids like you know, he's not like trying to
get portal kids and JUCO kids. He wants to develop,
And that tells me, you know, he's like you said, Hollis,
he's there for the long haul. He's not going to
I think he's for the long haul. But if the
fans will keep him for the fan base.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Keep them.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Man, they don't got a choice. I just don't see
that you have a choice. I mean, you not to
say they aren't good coaches out there, and I'm sure
there are people come in and make some things happen.
But for the long haul, if you're looking for a
guy to be here the next to five ten years,
I mean, I don't know who else would. He wants
to retire here. He wants to be hugging, he wants
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to be kneeling, he wants to This is the final stop.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
This is it.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So he's in a position where he's back against the wall.
He has to make this work. This is the legacy.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And do you think that's why Marshall wanted Tony Gibson
is because of those I think. I mean, that's the
only thing that we have is you know, as far
as we don't have the money to pay coaches like
other schools, you want somebody that has that might loyalty.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, who might be stuck on the loyalty and the
desire to change, to to change the image of the
team to what they want it to be over money
because they don't necessarily quote need the money.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Now, they may want it, but they don't necessarily quote
need it. That's not their goal. Their goal is to
define a school that they love. These are legacy dudes. Yeah,
both of these legacy guy. They want to turn this around.
They want to win championships. They want to have the
lore of those universities. And I think, you know, West
Virginia schools, that's that's what we have. And we got
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to make that work because, like I said, we're not
gonna be able to pay you what other coaches are
getting paid. And I would say, I would say to
the fan base, you have to understand that. You know,
for sure, you because the reality of this is you
have West Virginia coaches coaching West Virginia team and.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Trying to make them the best that they can be.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Every kid on that team wants they want that kid
to be successful some form of fashion, academically, athletically, both
however they can make them successful.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Sure, well, they're both two and three. Both teams are
two and three, So I don't know how that bodes.
I mean it is, I mean, I know it's both
their first years in the in the positions that they're
you know, each respectively in. But like you said, most
fan base, the fan base doesn't understand the logistics of
what we're talking about. The layman, the layman, you know,
just a normal day, front of the day fan.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I think the diehard fan doesn't get it.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I need to get it.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You would like to think.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
That the diehard would would get it because they understand
the whole structure and this whole because this was a
big turnover. I mean, you know what I'm saying, This
was a huge turnover for both of these coaches and
for both of these teams.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
They're starting over every basically everywhere.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I think the WV you die fair, I think they
have to get it, man, because we can say the
opposite for Marshall, because Marshall's had recent success, right they
won the conference, They've they've kind of always been in
the groove under the former head coaches, huffing his previous coach,
so I think they could probably to that point. And
you have been a little bit impatient because of that.
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But I mean, you may not, like Rich Rodin, may
be emotional because you don't like kind of previously what.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Happened, but you ain't got no choice. This is what
it is.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I'll be shocked. I don't think. I mean, what do
you guys think. I don't think they're going bowling this year?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I mean they hand Bowl games. Yeah, so you don't
think they won six games.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I don't know. I don't know, and.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I know that you can get I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I'm telling you, I really feel like if you know
some of these players are out indefinitely and you've got
these guys that are even more, like I said, inexperience, I.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Don't even wasn't even a thought to even ask that question.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I just I just don't see that, Like I just
from from from my view of where and both teams
where both teams are like, I don't see, I don't see.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I don't I'm not thinking bowl games.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I think I'm thinking, can can you get a winning streak?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Like can you well, I mean that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, I mean, I mean before before bowl, before bowls.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
You have to win six games to be Bowl eligible, right,
and you can have a losing season, yes, some of
the games.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
It's just the bowl games just don't have the luster.
So it's like, even if you like the thing is like,
do you even accept it? I mean maybe you accept
it because you get the extra practice you get like
basically depend on where your bowl games, you might get
like a three four weeks extra practice. Think do you
even accept it? But are the fans going to go?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Though?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Depends on the ball, depends on the bu if it's drivable.
I'm I'm not.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Sure because my memory is horrible, but I think that
we were talking about bowl games once before, and we
were talking about it being like a negative kind of
a negative thing because of these.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Teams in the past. Whenever the bowl game was the
big you know, that was.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
That was we got bowl games where people success.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Or maybe even under that's not really that really a
bowl game.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I don't see that as a bowl game, no matter
what name you put on it, no matter what how
you how.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
You Okay, Okay, So I understand, Okay, I went, I
went down to this dark path, and you guys are
making me pay for it. But honestly, I know it's
going to take time. But do you ever ever, I
don't care who's at Marshall, who's at w w v U.
Do you ever see these two teams ever getting a
shot at the National Football the Collegiate Championship in the
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play off? Do you ever see them with with the
way the system is designed within ile, with a transfer portal,
with money, no revenue sharing.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I definitely see w v U. I can see them.
I can see them.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Because in the playoffs, I could see w Marshall be
a lot difficult just because they're you know, they're not
a non powerful right, But I can definitely see w
v U. Like I said, man, you get ten players
that can that can go that turns this around. I
mean far as this year is concerned, it's just w
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v has to go to to b y U. They
have to go to U c F. That's a winnable game.
They home at TCU, that's gonna be tough. They have
to go to Houston, that's gonna be tough. Colorado's coming in.
Colorado's not great, that's a winnable game. Then you have
to go to Arizona. That's tough. And then Texas Tech
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come to U Texas. Texas the top fifteen team, So
it's gonna be travel.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I mean, we're talking about four more games. I don't know.
I don't see. I don't see.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Is it okay to go to a bowl game, a
lower tier bowl game, win it or lose it? Does
does does it matter? I mean, I mean you celebrate that,
celebrate okay.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
But the thing.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Because I don't But the thing is that as a coach,
and here's a here's a here's the other issue with
that because number one, the thinking previously was that if
we go to the bowl game, even though we may
not be in a national championship picture, then we're gonna
get those extra practices in, so you get two to
maybe four weeks extra practice. Now here's the caveat with
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that now, because now players aren't they're inter the transfer
port they're not playing in that bowl down. So if
you know that you're going to some some lower level
bowl game, a lot I ain't gonna say most, but
a lot of players sort of the the trend is
to say, hey man, I'm not playing that bowl game.
I'm gonna enter the transfer porter portal or enter the
league and I'm just not gonna feel full with it.
(25:19):
So to your point, depending on the number of players
that choose the leap, it may not be worth it.
So that's also another consideration that you have to consider.
And my thing is now, I say, get rid of
the boat games.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
If it's not playoffs or conference champions I would be good.
Get rid of the bow games.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I never would have said that or thought that, probably
because I'm thinking that that's impossible that it would happen.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
But it does make sense.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, because you're the players aren't playing because they're entering
the transfer portal. So it's like I'm not gonna get
risk getting hurt for a game that doesn't matter. I mean,
you got some some kids, like some third and second
string players that went to the playoffs last year. Their
teams into the playoffs and they chose to sit out
because they entered the transfer portal. So I'm saying get
rid of the Bowl games.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
They do not think they would do that though, I
mean the money.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Money, but it don't matter that because but I'm looking at.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
It's a sad ending to an era sad.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
But if I'm but if I'm a company, I'm looking
at the r O. I dang, I'm dishing out all
this cash for this game. What am I getting back there?
Speaker 3 (26:22):
The TV? Like a lot of people still watch Bowl games.
We watch I mean December, when when you know, bold
season starts. We watched bowl games all all of the
whole month.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I could say I didn't as much as I used
to because most of it.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Seems like Marshall would never get to do any I mean,
they're not going to go these these smaller schools. They
don't get to go to the National champion the playoffs,
so why not have bowl games for them to enjoy it?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Well? And I understand last year was.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
An anomaly with with the health leaving and taking the team.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I think that's going to be normal.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I meant because they won the conference championship. Otherwise that
they would have if he hadn't a left right after
that with the whole team and they hadn't won the
conference championship and they just gone to a lesser bowl,
Marshall fans would have been excited.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
What about I don't know, what about if in the
age of n I L you go play the bowl
game and the players win a pot of money, the players,
if you team, you get money.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Why not? Thing? Though?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Here's the thing with that, though that makes sense, and
that's probably a good idea, but you but you still
got the transfer a portal problem because now I have
to I have to go in December in order to
see where I'm going so I can get signed up
for my classes in Jauer.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And the other thing is to Tommy think.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
To that is too, is the school is getting that
money right.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
You know, they're not gonna get that.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
They're gonna they're not gonna want to give that.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
But I like that. You like that idea.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I would like that idea too, you know, and because
at that point, really, honestly, even if even if you
weren't getting your I on money, you're receiving money through
winning a bowl game or even participating.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I mean, I like the idea.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I just think you still have a timing issue because
the problem is that again, if I'm trying to transfer
to another school, I have to start that process in
December so I can be enrolled by January. It may
take a month for me to find an home. And
so I think they need to push that process back
and they need to let these kids roll in February.
You'll be alrighty not going to class for a couple weeks,
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You've be fine.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah. See, I understand technology.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
But see, I'm thinking and I'm trying to think this
through as a as a player who's thinking I'm gonna leave. Okay,
so after our last game, whether it's a it's a
bowl game, whatever it's going to be, I'm I'm ready.
I'm ready to jump into portal. I'm ready to try
to commit to another place. I'm not playing anyway, right,
(28:57):
I'm not gonna play in any any game after our
last season game. If we're not quote already Bowl eligible
or in a major bowl place or championship, I'm out.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I guess my thing is like, if you're a starter
and you've been starting, you've been playing the whole season,
you got some tape, you had a pretty good year,
and you decide, you know, I want to go to
the next school. I just don't know what playing in
the bowl does for you anymore. Just yeah, it just
doesn't if you're not going to the playoffs. Yeah, I mean,
again to your point least, I did watch some of
the bowls and it was fun to watch like those
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third string guys to get a shot. But at the
same time, that's not like the highest quality of football.
And with the playoffs, what is it twelve teams? Now, Yes,
that's all the matter, Like I'm trying to see that,
I ain't trying to see nothing else. So I would
actually say, if you're going to do a top twenty five,
if we got a top twenty five, do a twenty
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five team playoff.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
That's what we got. They ate everything else.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
And same thing for non power forward non power forwards
have their own playoffs. I like that, you know what
I'm saying, And they should. Now they can play up
if they if they make it. So those teams can
play up. You know, if you're if you're a TOASA,
if you're a Marshall, if you're a Boise State, you
can play up into the Power five playoff. But you
can also if you don't make it, you play the
Power four non Power four playoffs. So I say, you
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have two sets of playoffs, just like you have Division two, three, whatever,
and just play it that way. So that way we
just eliminate and you can like first round toast he
does whatever bowl.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
You know, the playoff games to the playoff games.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, so I just do it like that. It's just
a big, big mess, that's what I say. It's a
big mess. And why about money games? Do we have
time to talk about that. While we're talking about money
and games, we'll just put it together.
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Yeah, well, let's take a quick break, okay, and then
we'll come right back.
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Speaker 2 (32:23):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're back.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And the queen over there has got some information or
Christen for us.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Now, well, well, we've talked a little bit on the
show before about money games, and so I was kind
of curious to see it's the time of year where
they start to release, you know, how much money some
of these smaller teams were paid to go and play,
you know, as a sacrificial Lamb to the larger schools,
and so basically I looked up what money game means
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because I know some people out there were like, what's
a money game? Well, games where a smaller program is
pays a significicking amount of money to play a larger
established program. That's basically what it means, because you know,
some people may not realize that, but basically some of
the bigger games and what they were paid this this
one's this was really like eye opening to me. Grambling
State went to Ohio State lost seventy to nothing, but
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were paid one million dollars for one game. Charlotte visited Georgia,
and so did Marshall. Okay, Charlotte was paid one point
nine million for their game. Marshall was paid one point
seven that's the kind of money George's plan with. Okay,
and then of course Central Michigan was paid one point
five to go visit ann Arborn. You know, be Michigan.
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It's a little toy for a while. But what are
your thoughts on this? I mean, basically, the money that
some of these schools got, that's almost their whole budget.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, I'm going to make the case that it's it's
well above their budget possibly, and it's been it's truly
beneficial for them. But now I think they're gonna run
short out of that because of inn I L.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
George is not running short.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
No, no, well.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Afford that.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Not for the football program.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Well see, I'm thinking in my thoughts, and I might
and I might be wrong, but like my question, my
question then is you're gonna pay Let's say you're gonna
pay Marshall a million dollars is to come and play, right,
and then you're gonna pay then you're in I L budget. Well,
(34:40):
it's it's different now because I think those are different
parts of money. I agree, I agree, But how much?
How I mean how much resources? Do you think some
of these places limitless? Absolutely less? They have all the
money in like a small country. Alabama football has Georgia.
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They're never running out of them. At Tennessee, Alabama and USC,
they're not running out of money. Here's the thing that
what I think people don't realize, even like to that
point where Marshall plays Georgia for one and they get
paid one point seven, what we have to analyze is
the cost of going to Georgia because you still got
to put those guys in the hotel. You still got
to put those guys on a plane. You still got
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to feed those guys. You got to bring those guys back.
In addition to the human capital, which is some guys
can go.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
How different than the season teams though, I mean they
could drive to Georgia.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Couldn't They know they're not driving the probably Georgia. All
that stuff comes out of that cost, So that one
point seven may actually turn into seven hundred grand or
five hundred grand once you delete the costs. Deon Sanders
talked about this why money games aren't always what they see.
So what I would say is that if I'm a
program like Marshall or Ohio University or whoever, if I'm
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looking for a money game, I'm looking for something right
close proximity. So I'm trying to play Ohio State so
I can drive. That's about a two hour drive. I
hit it, hit, come back. So all that one point seven,
whatever they're gonna pay me, I can keep as much
as possible. I ain't trying to get on a plane
and drive, go halfway across the country, have that expense
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and then come back when I got my revenue is this,
but my profit is that. So I think I'm all
for money games. I think it's a revenue sharing model.
I think they ought to do a bunch of money
games to help some of these the lower programs. But
I would also I would my suggestion, would we keep
those games in close proximity so you can keep that money.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Coach Prewitt, when when I.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Was scheduling, sometimes does.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
The problem.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I was at State. When I was at State and
Coach Prewitt was at Marshall and we played Marshall. That
was that was a quote money game. And I mean,
obviously we didn't get you know, we did we didn't
get anything like that, but the the amount that we got,
and I don't actually remember the total amount, but it
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was enough for us to cover all the hotel expenses
that we might have for the season the season, so
it was it was enough for us to.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Now any money that we raised, any money that we.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Had budget budget wise, we didn't have to touch and
we had to and if without that, without that game,
we may not have been able to actually finish out
the whole season with with all the funding with you know,
because we were playing paying fees for the some of
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the students who were full rides. We had to pay
that dollar. That was dollars coming out of our budget.
And it didn't cost you anything to go to the game, right,
it was all pretty much that game was all profit.
But if you think like Marshall for example, so they
go to Georgia to open them season, they get the
one point seven and then just this past week they
got to go all the way to Louisiana and come
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all the way back. So it's not like you're going
down there Saturday morning and coming back Saturday night. Probably
down there Thursday, and all that racks up. Yeah, I
mean you're talking about those two games that travel alone.
Not to say it's one point seven, but it's significant.
And you got to you got you got eighty ninety
one hundred kids.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
The band take you take a lot, Yeah, you take
the whole.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I don't think they take the band. I'm not a
school like Martina. They're not taking a band everywhere. You know,
you got a hotel, cheerleaders maybe hotels, you got meals,
yeah significant, you know, and and and you probably will
get a practice. You'll you'll probably have to pay for
a place to get a walk through practice.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I mean that's see that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
I'm saying like, if you're going to take those games,
depending on where the game is, I would try to
negotiate not only just that one point seven, but I
want like travel expenses, Like.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Maybe help me out with that.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Maybe maybe.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I've never heard anybody getting detailed about it.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Dion when he was at Jackson State, he got detailed
about it.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
He was like, man, we ain't really making that much
off these money games because we got to pay for everything.
So to me, is it I think it's well worth it.
It just depends on the proximity to where that money
game is.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
See.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
And I think I think that a lot of the
average fan does not think about the expenses that.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Come with with a sport, and.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Specifically football, you know, because you you got trainers, you've
got equipment people.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
You know, you got to bring all this extra stuff.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
And and just I mean this is just a reality
that these are needed, I mean necessary. Evil You've got
to go and you've got to go get beat and
you you walk off with your check and say thanks
a lot, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
And the and the and to add insult to injury,
the football teams going down there taking that whooping, and
that whatever the profit is from that check that they
just received is dispersed among the Olympic sports.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, great, thanks guys. So they get.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
A little general.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
So you don't even keep one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
So that's what like what coach Prown was saying was like,
this ain't this ain't everything that you think it is.
Just taking this big. I just think it looks big.
It looks bigger than what you start.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
They had to do it without that money. I don't
know how they would.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I mean, you have to, but I just my thing is,
if you're going to do it, I would say close proximity.
I don't think. I don't think in hold. I'm curious
with what you think that this. I don't think there's
a a college football program maybe with the exception of
UC maybe that wouldn't play a money game in the
(40:51):
state somewhat all of them. I mean, I mean w
v O obviously they are the money game for some
for some some Robert, but they didn't play Robert earlier
in Ohio, so that you had to pay.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
They paid out. So but to your point, you got
to like you got to just and that's an.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Argument why you know, Marshall and WU don't play that.
They play teams like you know, Robert Morris, and they
play teams like Ohio University. Marshall could be a you know,
that would be beneficial.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Money in the state. They should play exactly.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
I would be all for them playing.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I don't like it, but I mean I think it's
it's it's a valuable game for both schools and the fans.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
I think that every person who's a football fan is
trying to get to that game.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I don't care who. I don't care who your team is.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
It's going to sell out in the state and you're
going to make tons of money.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
And I don't even care.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
We have to play that game in in Morgantown every
year because the stadium is going to Georgia.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Why not go to w I mean, yeah, I'm with you.
Some of those fans that you know in Huntington are like, oh,
we want you know, to for one, three, four, No
until until you beat them. You have nothing to to,
you know, try to negotiate with you. Just go to
Morgantown and if you win maybe maybe.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Then yeah, yeah you can't. I don't I don't really
think that you can, you know you can. You can
ask them to come to Huntington. I don't see why
they would come.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Now, you just played before, but it was you just
played at Morgantown. Yes.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, it's a simple stake and it's and it's a
better ven.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
That should be the opener every season.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Exactly.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
I was at one of the last times when WVU
came down and played at Marshall, and it was like
forty three thousand people in the zone, which is technically
only seats like thirty.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
It was crazy aisles, It was.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Standing room only.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
It was a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
It was almost like when WU went to Ohio University.
I mean it was basically that it was.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
It was that crowd, played a game, put other stuff,
but everybody, every every sports fan is looking for that game. Yeah,
I mean it's the same thing like WVU in Marshall.
They used to come to the Civic Center and Charleston
and play.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Play the game. Yeah, play y'all overthink it every time.
Just play the game.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
They have a soccer robery, now baseball robery. Play the game.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
What is the what is what is the do any
of you all know? Like, what is the reasoning? That
it's not being played now.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Well, has there been a conversation about football the thought
that what I've always heard number one is it didn't
make sense for WVU, and it was a situation in
which why would you have an empty stadium with two
D one schools in the state with only two D
one schools where you can have two full stadiums that
they played a different teams. So to me, it was
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always from like the WVU side, they just have more
to lose playing the game than marsh That's what I heard.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
And I think the Marshall fans on the other side
of the coin, they wanted the deals where they come
to Huntington at least like once out of every three years,
or I can I.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Can see that. I can see that, But I.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Never won a game against WU. I will till you win.
You have nothing to negotiate with. End of story. Go
to Morgantown, get your check.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I'm one hundred percent agree with you, But I'm just
saying I could I could see why Marshall would say, okay,
every two years, every five years, you know, I mean,
I could see that just as a negotiation. But I
also think man like we're like, like we just said, man,
we're in a day and age where rivalies are gone.
When you are, when you're WVU and you're playing like
(44:38):
the Utah the b y u s, why nobody really
cares about those? Yeah nobody. I mean saying we want you.
We want WVU to win, no doubt. And then they
may even have some good exciting teams, but there's nothing
really for it and for the fans other than the
ceing WV you win. I think this is just the
opportunity because there's nothing better. You get back, put back
on the schedule full time, you get Marshall on schedu
(45:00):
were full time.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Even take like a Virginia Tech, get them three games,
so let's go.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
There's nothing There is nothing better than a rival game
and nothing better.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
And the Big Twelve, you know, when they joined the
Big Twelve, it's been kind of diluted since then because
Texas left. Who else left the Big Twelve?
Speaker 2 (45:16):
I know somebody else like Texas A and M.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Texas A and M. You know, those were those were
kind of exciting games because Texas is always good. Texas
A and M's fun too, But it's not like it was.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Well, speaking of ribvalies.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
We I think we have a budding ribbery in the
NFL Packers versus Cowboys. Uh, you know what Michael Parson's
going and there was a tie. So, like we talked
about it, how do we feel about the current NFL
system when it comes to overtime and different things of
that nature.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Somebody needs to win here.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
That's that's that's how I look at it.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I don't want I want to be able to walk
out of the stadium and know that I won or
long and currently how would it how the rules? You
correct me if I'm wrong, you get basically two overtimes
and if nobody comes ahead, and those two overtimes and
stem over. Yeah, correct, it's the time, so one over
time and there's no sudden death. Back in the day,
(46:16):
it used to be whoever winning coin toss first and
whoever score first. Basically one except for a field goal.
So if you get if you kick the field goal,
then the other team would get an opportunity to match
it or or get the touchdown. So I think I
would like to say to it, Well, I'll.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Let you say. You you said, what would be your rule?
Change to that?
Speaker 1 (46:35):
My rule would be I just want to go out
or you play the game. I'm okay with if you score,
but I don't want a field goal. If you can
score a touchdown, if you can drive, you can take
a drive eighty yard drive, score a touchdown, boom.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
See.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
I say, you keep the two overtimes. Nobody wins in overtime,
the two overtimes. Then you go to sudden death after that. Yeah,
that's what that's what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Are you just saying, just the regular game, just like
it's a regular quarter.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
You get to two ten minute quarters. So after the
game is done tied up, you get one quarter. You
know what I'm saying, two ten minute quarters. If we
still don't have we're still tied at that point, then
you go to a sudden that you do the foreign
cause I would say even get rid of the kickoff.
Forget the kickoff. Just started your twenty like, you know
what I'm saying, So get rid of.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
The kick that much time.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, I mean you're stopping.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
You're not starting at there, you're starting at so you
gotta drive eighty eighty you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
So I would say just do that. That's and then
if you went from there, you won.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
You know what I mean, I'm good with anything that
can get you away from the tie, because you just
you done played all day and you're gonna walk a
stadium and say, oh, well we tied, and where does
that fit at the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Well, at the end of the year that well, on
tie games. You know how they have a point system
when it comes to the playoffs. Tie games count as
a half win and a half loss. Wow, it's whatever. Yeah,
that's what I make. A point in a half a
point could make a difference. I mean, that's just.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
What's the argument against it? Though, because the argument against
number one, as far as sudden death of having too
much footballs obviously guys can get hurt. But the argument
too is that even if I have to drive eighty
and a sudden death really with kickers now you may
only have to drive forty.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, kickers can.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Boot it once you get it's it's like, but but
again to your point, that's that's part of the game.
I mean, you you play defense, you got to stop them.
So I say, I still want the sudden death.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Yeah, I think I think that's a good sense.
Speaker 6 (48:49):
Why not just do it like basketball. You give them
the ten minutes and just let them play, and whoever's
got more points at the end of ten minutes is
the winner.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
But that's the point that if you what if you
don't what if you say tied up.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
They were tied last night.
Speaker 6 (49:03):
Period, you played the whole ten minutes and then do
a sudden death or something like that.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
So you're saying one tenn I like it. But that's
not bad.
Speaker 6 (49:10):
Neither, yeah, because now it's like you're giving each team
a possession and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Just play the ten, flip the coin whoever gets it,
and you play your ten.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah, and you see what happened.
Speaker 6 (49:23):
I mean, one team might score in the first minute,
and then the other team's got nine minutes, they may
take up all nine. Maybe they'll go score in a
couple of minutes and it goes back and just play
the whole ten play.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Quarter like another quarter. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Now, so currently they don't play it like another It's
like you get okay, I see what you're saying. So
it's just it's just a whole. It's just a quarter.
So you're just saying play.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Just play an extra quarter. Basically, Yeah, it happens to
play the ten. Yeah, let the coins fallow where they may.
Speaker 7 (49:52):
Well.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
Last night was horrible and I'm so glad I went
to bed. I'm so glad at my house. My husband's
a Cowboys fan. Oh man, I'm a poker fan, and
it's not the most comfortable even to be at the Nelson.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
But it's crazy how that's turned into like a little
rivalry now, just just based off of one trade, you know.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
So I actually I loved it. Man.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
The NFL has been super good. It's been super good.
The chiefs beat of the Ravens. Ravens have been very disappointed.
The Ravens are many going apart.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
I don't that.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
And it's crazy because when you have like such elite offense,
no they need, they need Lawrence Taylor, they need back there.
That defense is the worst. That defense can't stop a nosebleed.
I mean, it's it is bad. And and they were
been known for their defense. And when you have such
elite offensive talent and your defense can't do nothing, it's
just it's to moralized. Trust me, I have been I
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have fortunately been on some really really good defensive teams
that had a ton of great players on it, and.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
We we struggled with the offense.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Yeah, you're out there, you're laying hard, you feel good,
you high five in each other. You go to the bench.
Two minutes later, you're back on the field. They throw
an interception, fumble the ball, or go three plays and
out and you're back on the field. You're like, Okay,
let's come on, guys, let's just go. You can only
do that for so long, right, you know, I remember
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being a state and we had most of the time
we had better defense than offense. But I can remember
a seayre offense was clearly better. And you go out there,
you score twenty eight thirty points, what said you should weak.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Points as you win by and just they just give
it up and then you do stage.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
I'm going to bring something up because we have a
man of honor us tonight, don't we? We do we
have mister Lewis didn't want to say anything, but he
was the recipient of the Young Professional Achievement Award.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
I'm question young, is that that part is a little concerning?
Speaker 3 (51:57):
I agree is, But yeah, so that's a pretty prestigious award.
Tell us a little bit about it.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
It's I mean, you know, uh, to be recognized by
your alma mater and that journey going to State.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
I was a local kid, so going to State and
just like I told you, just being part of that
village and having an opportunity to like just having the
world sort of open up to you via the collegiate
experience was a great thing and it really contributed to
everything that I'm doing now. And you know, I think
it's worth noting that. You know, that's to me, that's
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sort of the true value of college. When we talk
about that collegiate experience. We can all academics are one thing,
and I think as far as providing access online schools
and different things, you can, the academics are there. But
the true value in a collegiate experience is having that,
you know, that education that you can't get into a classroom, right, right,
(52:57):
that that education that you get. You know, there's you know,
having mentors like Coach Lee or a variety of other people,
and you know, like I said, just meeting people from
around the country and and just being exposed. Right. But
there's you know, and I can, I mean, I can
thank you for the for the words that you spoke
about me at the event, and I'm gonna but I'm
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gonna address that in a different way. When you're a
coach and you realize that there is there is somebody
that when you touch, when you come in touch with
them like you, you realize that there's something better for
them than what the ball is gonna bring mm hmm.
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And that was that was clear with Hollis from the
time that I met him. He got out on the field,
it's good quarterback, but everything about him spoke to.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Me success right, and he was he was. He was so.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Different than most players from a from a mannerisms, personality
kind of way that you could see. I could I
felt like football was something that I think he enjoyed,
but it wasn't. He wasn't ate up with it most
guys like, yeah, there was something else, something bigger, emotional.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
He was He was just simply he was. He was different.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
He played football because he played football in high school
and he was good enough to earn a scholarship.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
He was good enough to play.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
But what he but all of his focus was was
on a greatness that did not have the ball involved
with it, and you could see it. And then to
be able to be front center and witness him receiving
that award was was an honor for me. And I
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could even make the case that I wasn't shocked, you know,
I wasn't shocked. I feel like if there if that
award has been out there for a while, I'm trying
to figure out like why.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
He hadn't gotten.
Speaker 6 (55:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
So just just to say this, and and and for
the people who are listening, and for the people who
may not know Hollis personally, what you when you when
you find a young man.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
That has a goal.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
And has a mindset of wanting to be something different,
something better and do better for other people, that is
who he is to me.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
That's who he is, and that's who he's always been.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Detective Now now next Monday, Yeah, he'll be fired by
next Monday. So all right, well, ladies and gentlemen, we're
gonna get out of here and we will see you
again next week.
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