The Lane Kiffin Saga! Let's Talk! With Carl Lee, Lisa Otey, Hollis Lewis, and Paul Saluja

Lane Kiffin leavse Ole Miss to become the head coach of the LSU Tigers. Is the grass greener in Baton Rouge? Carl, Lisa, and Hollis, with guest Attorney Paul Saluja talk through it, and more! 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
Welcome to Let's Talk with Carl Lee. Let's Talk is
probably presented by Attorney Frank Walker. Real Talk, Real experience,
Real results, Frank Walker, Law dot Com. Let that conversation
begin on Let's Talk.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, This is Carl Lee with Let's Talk.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
And I have both of my co hosts in the
building today, Hollis Lewis and Miss Odie.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Hello.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hey, So.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
We just passed Thanksgiving. You know, so happy Thanksgiving. I
hope everybody had a happy Thanksgiving. But I'm I'm gonna
I'm gonna open this up because Hollis has brought this up.
I'm curious now because he brought it up about what's
your favorite food on Thanksgiving? What is your favorite piece?

(01:10):
Is it the turkey? Is at the dressing? What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Okay, well mineus the stuffing. But I have a funny
story about the stuffing this year. So my husband and
I decided we you know, a lot of his family
and my family were not available for Thanksgiving, so we
decided just to stay at home and cook ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
So we had turkey, breast, we had you know all that,
We had macaroni and cheese, We had all everything set
up ready to ready to go, put the turkey in,
got everything cooked, sat down to eat, and Jerry goes,
we forgot stuffing. And that's my favorite thing.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Do you homemake the stuffing or yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:46):
We had no No, it was home. We had the breadcrumbs,
we had the celery, we had everything, and we just forgot.
And so it was a stuffing less Thanksgiving for me,
and that's my favorite. Well, it was still good.

Speaker 6 (01:59):
I like this stuff into Traditionally I liked turkey. But
I think now and again, is this a Thanksgiving food?
Deviled eggs because you get them all the time, Like
maybe it's not a Thanksgiving food. It's definitely a holiday food.
But yeah, it would definitely be doubled eggs for me,
because I just you don't eat them all the time.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
That's strange to me. Of all the all the good food,
you could go with the devil eggs.

Speaker 6 (02:26):
I mean, because you gotta take you I mean it
would like I would say, maybe like a pie because
I don't eat pie regularly, or a stuffing, you know
what I mean. You think you eat ham, your ham sandwich,
turkey sandwich, you eat that kind of regular mac and
cheese is something that on the menu were throughout the year.
But you know, deviled eggs is not something you know
that's like once or twice a year, maybe three times
double eggs.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
I'm gonna I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go actually with
the turkey. Turkey, like I actually like the turkey. I love,
I love the stuffing, right, but I you know, because
you don't eat turkey a lot, you know, lot of
people don't cook it on a regular basis, and so
it is one of those.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Get like lunch meat.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Are you white meat? Dark meat?

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Dark meat?

Speaker 4 (03:11):
But I'm I'm it's easy for me to to eat
the white meat as well.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I've just gotten you.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
I just like turkey now, It's just it don't make
any difference where I cut it from.

Speaker 6 (03:23):
I just want, Yeah, I love a turkey, right at
least least favorite. Well, it will move on. You don't
have to rush off of it for me.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
You should already know what what my worst one is
a sweet potatoes. Yo, you know what type of sweet potato,
because that's my worst one too.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I don't even care what kind of sweet. I don't
even know what the difference in sweet potatoes are. They're orange.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
Potato.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
My thing is like, I like sweet potatoes, but I
don't like sweet potatoes sweet. So I don't like candy yam.
You know how they do it with marshmallows and it's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's just not good.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
Like I like a sweet potato like, I'll do it
like butter like you do, like a baked like I
like its savory but not sweet.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
So I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
So okay. So mine is cranberry sauce. I'm just not
a fan.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
That's my second one.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yeah yeah, especially when you when it comes to the
table shape like the can.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
You know, cranberry sauce is underrated. It's so good. It's
so good.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
I'm like, like, when you look at it, like when
you take granberry something, will you take it out?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's good. I don't even really do yellow.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
There's just a look in the texture of it that
just I'm it just doesn't do me well well. So
I wanted to make sure we got that out because
you know, that's part of some of that. There's some
people back, some of some of the listeners are probably
like sitting there having that conversation, what is it that
I don't like?

Speaker 2 (05:00):
You know? All right, So let's go.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Back and let's ask the question, and Marshall head coaches
New Ones, what do you think?

Speaker 6 (05:13):
I think the question that we were was this successful season?
Where was this a step in the right direction for
each program? And I think and it could be neutral
as well. I think Marshall, for me, they definitely took
a step in the right direction considering everything that happened
last year. And we'll talk about probably Old miss maybe

(05:34):
about to experience that same thing. But Marshall to me,
because are they I believe they're both eligible, they're not.
They both lost, but I think it was a step
in the right direction. Now, whether you consider that a
success or not, I guess that would be on you.
But I think Marshall was good.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
W v U kind of same thing.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
I mean they lost a lot of players, Rich Rod's back,
so I think both programs are taking steps in the
right direction.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I mean WVU had a run mid season.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
So I and before you jump in, yeah, go ahead,
to hollis that run? To me, I think it's important
because that shows where you can be. Now you can say, well,
who are the teams that they made the run on.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I don't think that matters at this point.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
I think all that really matters now is the is
the players that are playing for this new coach. They
have confidence, and the coach has something to go back
and say, hey, see this run. We can do this
all season long. If we do this, this and that.
All we got to do is just get better at
these things. Because you know how it is. You can
pick out something and say this is why this game

(06:49):
went that way.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
We can change that and we can get that to
a win.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
So I mean, I don't challenge that at all. I
think I think you're absolutely correct. And that run and included,
you know that that big win at Houston when Euston
was ranked. Yeah, and then they came home and beat Colorado,
So those were two you know, and and of course
the Pitt Pitt bick. So those were three you know,
teams that that they really needed to beat in order

(07:15):
to keep the momentum going. Unfortunately, I think what happened
with WU at the end is they knew that last
game really was meaningless, and so Texas Tech just rolled
in and rolled the rolled the team. Basically, you know
that that was just an ugly loss on Saturday. But
I think with Marshall, I don't know that the loss

(07:36):
for Marshall on Saturday was not as I mean, it's
still hurt because you knew if they won that game
that they would be Bowl eligible, and you and you
hope that they would they would get to that point.
But I think it was a closer game and people
felt like it gave him some hope, whereas and I'm
not saying people aren't hopeful about the Mountaineers, but I

(07:57):
just think that last loss of Texas Tech was ugly.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
Yeah, and I would say going back to Marshall, and
you can also maybe make the argument that Marshall underachieved.
I mean, they should have beat they should have beat Ull.
That was a game they should have won. It was
another I think it was a coastal Carolina. I believe
that that was a tighter game than what they what
it should have been. So they they were probably in

(08:20):
about two or three games that they should have won
and they could have very well been Bowl eligible. I
think with w VU and again I know, like you know,
we have that's sort of our here in West Virginia,
our rabbit fan base. You know, it turns towards WVU.
But I think what people with WU fans aren't going

(08:40):
to have to consider is that we're now a men major.
If you think about in terms of what's going on
with n I, L Transfer Reporter blah blah blah blah blah,
you know, you're gonna have your big dogs like you know,
LSU and Georgia and and and you know in Texas
and those programs like that. W WVU simply does not

(09:03):
have the resources to compete with that. So they're going
to have to like think about this in a different way,
and expectations, to me are going to have to be
tempered a little bit, so you're not Again, if we
can get to a playoff run, we can get that scenario, good.
I think that's that's going to be an ultimate success.
But until we can start to match up some of

(09:24):
those resources or at least get some continuity among the
players in the program, it's going to be tough sledding.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
I think to your point, and adding a little bit
to it, when you start looking at WU, and you
start looking at Marshall, when you start looking at your
top players, those top players are not satisfied. They don't
they're not looking for where we're going. They're looking They're

(09:54):
looking for where can I go and where can I
get paid? And so the problem with WU and Marshall
and being the star on that team you as a coach,
I'm thinking, the very first thing you have to do
is you're gonna have to find the money to pay
that guy to do my guy.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I gotta find a.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Way to pay him, him and you and my top
three or four guys.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
I got to make sure I got money.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
Lost our quarterback, mit, you know, a starting quarterback in lost,
and you know, and I would imagine those guys who
maybe get some All Conference recognitions, maybe if we can
get a one or two on the All American team,
them dudes are going to be gone.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Fortunately.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yes, And that's what I was going to say to
speak to your point about expectations, Hollis, I feel like
what's going to happen is every once in a while,
I think WU may get a shot at at at
maybe you know, the playoff that but but it's going
to be short lived because what will happen, is what
you guys are saying, And it's totally true. These bigger

(10:59):
schools with more money and more more resources and better
facilities are going to swoop in and get those good
players off of that team. So excuse me, if that
team would happen to be able to make it to
a playoff and maybe make a little run. I don't
even know if we could make it to a national championship,
but if they would make a run, it will be
short lived.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
So let me ask you this and we can move
to the conference championships schedule this weekend. What's the answer?
What's the answer? And again I'm gonna kind of answer
my own questions. I'll let you guys answer. I think
for me, the answer is like, we have to get
more homegrown talent.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Right.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
I know we're in a small state, and again even
that in and of itself is difficult to compete against
other you know, states who are going to get the
bulk of their talent and going to like an Alabama
or LSU or what have you. But we're gonna have
to get those kids. And if the kids even aren't
ready coming out of high school, I think it's going

(11:58):
to have to be some sort of network will we
work with like the UC's, the States, the Concords, the Fairmonts.
Get those kids ready on that level, let them show improved,
and then possibly filtering into the program like a w
v U or Marshall. But we're gonna really really have
to because and the reason I say that is because
those are the guys who are gonna be dedicated to

(12:19):
the program outside of n I.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
L see and I man, I you are spot on,
But I don't think the players are spot I don't
think that they buy you anything.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
They don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
I'm thinking the homegrown guys don't care about Marshall or WVU.
That might be where I start at or stayed or
UC or whoever. This is where I'm starting. But I'm
I'm not interested in anybody other than if you give
me five dollars and lista's gonna get me teens. I'm out, man,

(12:57):
I think.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
You're gonna ask. I think you're gonna have have some
loyalty there.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
I mean that's the only way or something like that,
Like if your dad went to WU, Yeah, yeah, that
might be that would make a difference.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
I think that that's possibly the only scenario scenario that
can keep a kid there because as soon as the
money comes. So let's say you you got a scholarship
to WU scholarship at Marshall, you you you're making let's
just say they're giving your twenty thousand dollars.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
But I'm saying, you got to add that you've been
a fan of maybe that program your entire life. Your
your dad or your mom went to the school, and
you grew up going to the games. So I think
that could be somewhat of an answer.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
I think that I think there's a lot of I
think there's a lot of conversation. There's a lot of
conversation about how that works. Yeah, but I seriously believe
that it's going to be a huge, huge, huge challenge
to keep players when there's money out there to be made,

(14:11):
because I'm going because now, let's just how many high
school athletes are out there who are thinking about money
all of the means they're not worried about they're not
worried about going to Marshall w w U UC.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
So you're saying, like loyalty in the school is kind
of irrelevant. It's about where I can go get paid.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Because the loyalty is only going to get there when
you you're not sitting back at high school now in
the tenth grade and start thinking like, Okay, I want
to go to Marshall.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
You know. That's my that's my thing. I want to
go to Marshall. And because of that, I'm so you're
saying kids aren't doing that, You don't. I think I
think they might be.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
But the problem with that is, I'm only giving you
a certain amount of money. So as soon as Lisa
comes in, because as soon as Lisa starts talking to
me and saying, hey, Hollis, you know, not only are
we going to start you, we're going to start you
off paying you this amount of money, where are you going?

Speaker 5 (15:25):
But I think the schools are trying to adopt that
maybe home grown type of philosophy. Look at their hires,
their coaches. They know the only chance they have to
compete in this collegiate world that we're in is to
have some home ties. And that's why they hired rich
Rod at WU. He's an alumni. And that's why they
got Tony Gibson at Marshall's because he's from you know,
West Virginia and attended Marshall. So you know, I think

(15:49):
that they have to give it a valiant effort.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
Yeah, that's what I guess, because that's their only chance
in a state like y'ad.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I think that's the only chance.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
And I think the good thing about what we have
going is that we have a collegiate system as far
as the D two system, we have a strong D
two system here in West Virginia, unlike a lot of
other states, like if you look at state like Florida,
they don't necessarily have like D two schools, although they
have a bunch of other schools. But we could actually
use that D two systems and all the schools that

(16:18):
we have to build almost like a farm system.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
So it's the kid.

Speaker 6 (16:22):
He was the Kennedy Award winner Collins from Princeton receiver.
He was at WVU, went back, went to Concord, was
basically in the nation and receiving at one point. He's
back in the transfer portal and he and he stated
he's not unopposed to going back to WVU. So I
think if we could be creative and use kind of

(16:43):
what we have, we could build some loyalty. Again, I'm
not saying I can't discount anything you saying you exact
and correct that if the money's involved, they get blinded
by that and all that. Look, but it's not going
to fix. But I think it could be somewhat of
an answer to us. And I think the hell heck,
w v you and Marshall don't play. Maybe they could

(17:05):
start working together a little bit on these sort of
things to build that network.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
I would think, Yeah, I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, I don't. I don't see that.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
I don't see that that would I think that's a
great idea, But I don't see that.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
I don't see that bond. Ever.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, I think there's too much bad blood between those
I mean especially I just I don't. I don't see
that happening. But it would be. It would be a
good idea. Actually, if they could get over there.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Do you think that those two coaches their friends.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
I was gonna say, yeah, if they could come together,
I mean, I mean, maybe they do well.

Speaker 6 (17:44):
I mean, just like I think the school presidents. I
think if you look at President Smith and the new
president w v U, I'm looking at it from like
an administrative level, not the necessary Again, I'm not saying
that they like work together. As far as trading players
or anything like that. I'm just saying building that netw
work to say, hey, how can we make our institutions
football and athletics better?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
A question to both of you.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
If you had, if you had to try to figure out, like,
what would it take for Wu and Marshall to recruit
Heavenly West Virginia.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Is it worth their while or is it just not?

Speaker 4 (18:25):
You know, is it you know, can they find enough
players that they can bring in play maybe as freshmen.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Or is it just not?

Speaker 6 (18:38):
Are they just not far as freshmen? No, that that's
not realistic at this point. What I'm what I propose
early is that if we could figure out a way
to almost use our D two system as a farm system.
So they say, I have ten freshmen West Virginia kids
who I like, but I don't think they're ready.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
So I'm gonna work with coach Penn. I'm gonna work
what you see.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
You go there, spend a year or two there developing,
get better, show and proved, and then we'll reevaluate you again.
But I don't think we're going to get like this
mass influx of West Virginia freshmen.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
I don't think our state's big enough, do you. I mean,
I don't think we have enough high schools to fill
that that complete void that they have at both schools.
As far as players go, well.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
We don't have enough talented players per team. I just
don't think we have.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
I just don't think we have enough. We don't student athletes. Yeah,
but and the transfer portal will always be a friend
for w and Marshall in this day and time. I
think just to play, you know, be able to bring
in players that are ready to play immediately, because what's
going to happen is your better players every year are
going to be picked up by the bigger schools with
more money, more opportunity, And then we've got to go

(19:50):
to the transfer portal in a hurry and fill those
needs as quickly as possible.

Speaker 6 (19:55):
And I think, like I said, I don't think you know,
it's just the reality of modern college football. You're not
like filling teams with a bunch of freshmen no more.
But I think again, there's a pathway. But before we
go to break with us, uh, we got the college
conference championships coming up, so we can just if you
want to, we can make some little predictions. We got

(20:15):
the starting out with the American Atlantic athlet excuse me,
American Athletic Championship. We got North Texas and Tulane. Tulane
is number twenty four. North Texas is eleven and one,
led by a quarterback, mind you, who never started, who
never played in high school, didn't play. He was like

(20:37):
a third stringer. He's got a minimum time. Those in
the North Texas and it's like probably maybe gonna get
drafted in the next year or two, or at least
have a shot at the league. So who do we
got there, North Texas Tulane And you said the quarterback
was where North Texas?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I'm going North. I'm going to North Texas to I'm
all right.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
Big twelve Championship. We got by U number eleven team
in the nation, Texas Tech, number fifteen team in the nation.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Big twelve Championship. Texas Tech can't go against Brian you.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
You's got to go with Texas tex.

Speaker 6 (21:09):
Right now, this is gonna be in Well, we'll do this.
We'll go acc Duke not rated. There's seven and five
against Virginia, number eighteen, ten and two.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
We got Virginia.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with Virginia.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Virginia. I think I'll take Virginia. Now we're gonna get spicy.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
Got number four Georgia, number ten Alabama SEC Championship.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Who we got I'm going, I'm going, I'm gonna I'm
gonna take a little risky. I'm going Georgia. You going Georgia? Yes?

Speaker 5 (21:41):
And who's Georgia playing again?

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Alabama?

Speaker 5 (21:44):
I mean, I Georgia is so good every year they
just find a way to win. I'm gonna go with Georgia.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Two.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
Yeah, I mean, I thought Alabama should have got beaten
the Iron Bowl. Arburn gave that game away auburnd. They
just couldn't hold onto the ball. So I'm gonna go Georgia.
And then we got probably the the game of the
week has got the Big Ten Championship. We got number
one oh State against number two Indiana, who we got
both undefeated teams twelve and zero.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
These built It pains me to say it, but I
think I think the Buckeyes will win. I mean, they're
just they're that good.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I mean, I gotta go. I kind of gotta go
there too. He man, I'm going for the upset. I'm going.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
I mean, I would love I.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Would love it too.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, okay, all right, Well, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna
take a quick break and we will be right back.

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Speaker 1 (23:21):
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Speaker 2 (23:30):
Everybody is mine son, All right, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
We have a guest that's walked into the studio, so
we're excited about that. So Hollis is gonna introduce We
got our resident attorney talk.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
Yeah, we're gonna talk about the Lane Kiffin situation. And uh, well,
I'll let you lead us off, Coach Lee to what
are your thoughts on that.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
I feel like at some point we have to be
able to hold coaches in a space, like if you're
gonna sign this huge contract right at a school, then
to me, if it's gonna be guaranteed, then that means
you have to be You have to give up a guarantee.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Too, So you need to be able to be If.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Your contract is one hundred dollars for four years, then
that's what it is, and you can't you can't get
out of that without some kind of an issue, some
kind of is There has to be something that's gonna
hold you accountable because I signed with you, because you

(24:43):
came and talked to my mom and dad and sold
me on all of this great stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
And I come to you and I'm excited.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
About playing for you, even if I'm sitting in the
vinch the first year, I'm thinking at some point I'm
gonna be playing and I'm gonna be playing for you,
and the next thing I know, you're leaving. And again
you don't, do you. My question is do you owe
the kids that you recruit? Do you owe them anything?

Speaker 6 (25:12):
So okay, So so again I think I'm pretty emotion
about this. So I'm gonna let our attorney speak for us,
give us some logic on this and and tell us
sort of the ins and out and things that we
may not be considering before we.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
All and before you say this, if there and is there?

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Whenever you want to answer this, is there a possibility
that there are contracts that will come up eventually that
will hold players or coaches to that school so that
they don't leave.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Is that a possibility?

Speaker 8 (25:45):
First of all, thank you all for having me.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
He's right in the hot seat right out of the gate.

Speaker 9 (25:51):
But the reality is, I think the problem that we
have is being created by the lack of leadership. I
think the real the problem is that we've had a
lack of leadership at the nc double A. That that
that that's the ultimately Yes, yeah, okay, And I say
that because with due respect, I think if anybody got

(26:13):
the offer that Lane Kiffin did.

Speaker 8 (26:15):
They would they would let's just call space space yea.

Speaker 6 (26:20):
So it was in the offer ninety one million dollars
for four or seven years, and I think he got
twenty five million dollars for nil per year.

Speaker 9 (26:30):
And the twenty five million I think is probably equally
important to him because that gives him the ability to
win the national champions.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
And that's twenty five per year, I believe. Yeah, that
is correct.

Speaker 9 (26:41):
Well, from what I've read, that is correct. So I
say that because he's now as a mentor. He went
into the homes of these student athletes talk to their parents,
and now he was their mentor, and he has taught them,
and I mind you, he has taught them that you
must take the bigger, better deal every time. So why

(27:04):
should the student athlete be restricted this upcoming year? It's
January tewod to January sixteenth to enter the transfer portal? Yeah,
well why can't Why can't the student athlete talk middle
of the season.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
Too, That's exactly right.

Speaker 9 (27:19):
You see, if you're gonna do, you're gonna have it,
You're gonna have a set of rules.

Speaker 8 (27:23):
Then what goes for the goose is good.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
For the game.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
And see that's my biggest problem. And to your point,
the NCAA, it should be disbanded. We don't need it anymore.
It is useless. It is it is a useless organization
that has failed over and over again to have any
foresight about what's going on. Because even if you look
at transfer port, you look at nil ten to fifteen

(27:48):
years ago, you could have gave players five to ten
grand a month out of a collective like sharing, like
far as, like the video games and the merchant and
all that you could have gave them, and we probably
wouldn't even be here right now. So my thing is
again to your point, Attorney Paul, that again it's a
difficult deal to turn to turn down. But I think

(28:09):
what has to happen is that we need to move
the clock. It's insane to me that a school would
be able to poach a coach prior to the playoffs.
Old missus going to the college football playoffs and you're
not going to coach the college for you could hire

(28:30):
a guy within the same conference, within the same conference,
you could just post the coach. I mean, this is
tampering in the NFL. So I think what has to
happen is that we need to move the season up.
So the season football season needs to start in July
and the football in the championship game needs to be

(28:50):
played January first. So to your point, when we have
the playoff, when we have the transfer portal window from
January tewond to January sixteenth, it could start free and clear,
so that way all the games are done. Because I
think basketball their transfer portal starts after March madness, Why
does the transfer portal starting when we're still having games

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going on?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
It makes no sense.

Speaker 6 (29:13):
So again I would say either the NCAA has to
get get there together or just get out the way
and let the coaches and the college presidents in the
eighties do this.

Speaker 9 (29:25):
The other thing they could do is push the transfer
portal back. And I agree with you on the transfer
portal should not be open when there is a game.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
To be It shouldn't.

Speaker 8 (29:34):
It should And the other thing is what happens if.

Speaker 6 (29:36):
You let me say this though, The problem pushing it
back is that the semester's starting. So generally college semesters
are starting around at fifteen fourteen tenth, so between the
tenth and about the seventeenth their school starting, So.

Speaker 9 (29:51):
Then we need to make an adjustment to have that
and accommodate that. And by the way, the same thing,
the same set of rules should apply to college coaches
ball coaches.

Speaker 8 (30:00):
It should only open.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Up after that last.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Okay, totally good points, and yeah, I agree with the Hollis.
And I would say this, I don't know. I can't
imagine coaching a school supposedly and connected to it because
I'm connected to it. If I'm coaching it, I would

(30:26):
like to think that I'm connected to it. I'm connected
to it to the players. I don't understand how I
am negotiating a deal somewhere while we're still playing.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
I think he had a history of this though, doesn't he. Yes, yes,
I mean this isn't surprising behavior from him, I think.
The only thing that and not to change the subject,
but I just want to get this out there because
it just crawls under my skin so much. But his
victim role he's playing right now that you know, Uh,
those mean old people at Old Miss won't let me.

(31:03):
They won't let me keep coaching the Rebels through the playoffs.
You know, well, you made a choice. You went to
their rival, you know, I mean exactly, You're either in
with our team or you're out. And buddy, you you
signed a contract, you decided your fate, you're done. You're
not coaching our team in the playoffs. You know, why
would why would they even consider that?

Speaker 8 (31:25):
In addition, why would you want to keep him there?

Speaker 9 (31:28):
So that because now you know he's got twenty five
million dollars in then I own money, he's gonna start
poaching those athletes that he wants.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
And not to say that he can't anyway, but.

Speaker 8 (31:38):
If he's in their ear for the next three weeks.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Oh, he's gonna take them anyway.

Speaker 6 (31:42):
And see that's and that's sort of the other problem
when you have a situation like is, particularly with a
coach like Lane Kiffin who had this massive success. And
what we got to remember is that this is the
best season in old regular season an Old miss history
history history, and he's been there for sure. So what's
going to happen is that after this season he's going

(32:02):
to poach probably I would say at least five to
maybe fifteen players. So now not only did he sort
of wreck their playoffs by not coaching, after the season,
he's going to take a bunch of players, a bunch
of coaching the systems with him, and now he's going
to wreck their program and they're going to be where
Marshall and WB was this year.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
So it's like it's like it's just a wrecking ball
all around. So well, it just.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Goes to prove again. I'm sorry to interrupted that. I
want to say, it just goes to prove again the
schools that have the most money, the biggest schools with
the most money, it's going to be a continual cycle
of this. Your team's you know, like an old mess
that although they're they're pretty prominent, but not in you know,
their football team hasn't been that great. But once they
get something rolling and they get a team building, somebody's

(32:51):
going to come in and take your coach and take
your players. I mean, that's just the cycle that we're
in in college football world.

Speaker 8 (32:56):
Gusting, isn't that what happened to Marshall.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Laws That's exactly what I said, and it was don't
even have to wait to Finn Marshall for not playing
in a bowl game that they could not field a
team for I mean, it was insane.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
When you can't all, right to your point, Lisa, when
you can't when you can't fill the team a respectable
team to play in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
It's a safety issue.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
There's a safety issue, and there's something huge, hugely wrong
with the system because you get everything in the season
to bof Now, all of a sudden, coach leaves, kids leave,
and you can't play. So even if I'm a kid
on the bench who probably wouldn't have played in the game,

(33:41):
I don't get the.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Experience that bowl game. And how could that even be possible.

Speaker 9 (33:47):
Well, here's the good thing about the student athlete. As
long as it doesn't infringe on the transfer portal, you
can you can buy their loyalty. For example, a student athlete,
you pay them X number dollars for in ile. You have,
you know, one hundred dollars for in ale. They've got
the number of games in the season. You divide it,
but you have it so that they get fifty percent

(34:10):
through the season and fifty they get only they play
in the ball we go. So that way you can
at least control the student athlete. Now we have to
come up with a solution so that we can do
the coaches because it's not fair to their student athletes.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
And they not design a contract when they signed coaches
that that would be Oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
They definitely design it, but who would sign it. That's
the problem if you give them that much money.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
I mean, unless it's across the board, obvious, it would
have to be across the board players and coaches of.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
What everybody can't do.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
But why would My thing is, unfortunately, why would why
would the NCAA do that?

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Why would they even think to do that?

Speaker 4 (34:53):
At this point, Like it's to me, it's like it's
the wild, wild West, and they're okay with it. But
I don't think they're thinks this is just I'm telling you,
this is the most lame duck organization I've ever seen,
just to not have the foresighte to like even like
I said, just push the season back, excuse me, started
earlier so we don't run into this. Figure out some
accommodation for student athletes just in case they have to

(35:16):
start school a little late. Figure out something that we
can have a transfer report that's not going to be
in conflict with the season. Because what I'm saying to
your point, if we're talking about the player, because everybody's
focused on because I know what everybody Lane Kiffin, you
would have took the money. Everybody's so money centric, and
again it's a lot of money. It's a lot of
resources to have in order to try to win that championship.

(35:39):
But to your point, if I'm the starting tackle or
starting or not even a starting guy, maybe a guy
who's just going to play till his senior year, I
don't have NFL pedigree and aspirations, and this is my
opportunity to go to the playoffs to try to win
a national championship, to say, and a national chang say
I was on a national.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Chair or at least play.

Speaker 6 (36:01):
So now that's going to be dented, and even their
ranking might be off because he's not coaching, and he
took the coaches and he took his coaches with him.
So what I'm saying is that this just hurts not
only the players, it hurts the program, but it also
hurts college football because we have just because I think

(36:21):
everybody is just greedy and we don't and we have
a governing organization with a lack of forethought about anything.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Well terrible.

Speaker 5 (36:30):
According to Lane, he's not greedy and this was a
spiritual decision. In fact, if we could just play that
clip really quick, we need to play this because I
want these guys to hear it. This is actually what
he told a reporter today, if you don't mind playing it.

Speaker 10 (36:46):
Yeah, just you know, there was there was something. This
is really hard. My heart was here, but I just
you know, talked to some mentors, Coach Carroll, Coach Saban,
you know, and especially when coach Carrol Saven your dad
tell you to go, man, take the shot, you know,
take the shot if you accomplished a lot here. You know,
I always felt I always hated how we only gave

(37:07):
one year to Tennessee and left. I really hated that
feeling of that, you know, even though its exciting year.
But you know, I think that we gave a lot
to this program, into the city and you know, some
of those historic wins in this stadium they ever had,
and best best regular season in the history of the school.
So I feel proud of that part. But it just

(37:28):
became time, you know. I talked to God and told
me it's time to take a new step. It's a new.

Speaker 8 (37:32):
Chapter, exactly.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
It has nothing to do with the five star recruits
waiting for him in New Orleans, right and the money
in the contract. It's all about God told God told
him that contract.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
I said this last week. I do not believe LSU
is a better job than Old Miss, because I think
what's happening If you got ninety one million dollars over
how many as far as just your salary, and then
you have twenty five million dollars to spend on getting players,
the expectation is championship next year? Oh yeah, because it ain't.

(38:12):
It ain't good enough to just creep into the playoffs.
You better have a significant run and you better win
a championship within three years, or it's he's gonna find himself.
They're gonna end up paying a buyo. As opposed with
Old Miss. I think he could have been there for
the next fifteen to twenty years and been an absolute legend.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
The question becomes, and I'll oppose, there have you today?
Am I interested in a long term contract? Or am
I just am I just wanting to be at a school,
make some money and go jump to.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
The next money.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
That's what it is. I mean, I think that's what
coaches are doing. They're they're getting a bag.

Speaker 9 (38:53):
I think the coaches are doing that. I think doing that.
I mean, I think it's just universal, you know, But
to look at it. If you look at it from
the NCAA's perspective, what do they still focus on. Their
focus is still March madness. They generate over a billion
dollars a year for the organization just through that March madness.

(39:15):
When it comes to the college football, you've got other things.
They don't generate that revenue. So they're still focused right
now on basketball, and what they need to be focused
on is getting other jobs. Because I agree with what
you said, it's time for them to go.

Speaker 6 (39:31):
It's time for them to go because even if those
beigions that they're generating, those could go to the schools,
and we can filter that money down to all like
a like a state or whoever like the detail. We
can start to filter that money down so everybody not
that can be on a you know, the same level.
But they can also have some resources to spend and
develop student athletes because I just don't think they're equipped.

(39:54):
They they they they just shown nothing good about them.
Like I said, they could have solved. We wouldn't be
in this problem if they would have just dealt with this.
Twenty years ago when Eddie O'Bannon had the lawsuit in
different things of that name do.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
You replace them? I mean, what do you do? You
don't have a reigning.

Speaker 6 (40:11):
Like I think you take the conferences and you you
have an ad or president or representing from like each
school and conference and that, and you just create the
board out of that. So it's like a like a
like a board of governance. So it's like not necessarily
that you're gonna like these aren't higher positions and it
rotates every Let.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Me ask this question what I'm not okay with. I
like what you're saying, but what I don't like is
who we're picking. I want someone I don't want. No,
I don't want coaches because because here's the problem I'm
fighting for. If you put me in a position to
fight for my rights, I'm gonna I'm gonna you know,

(40:56):
there's gonna be some things that I want. And so
you got all the coach just want money, and so I.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
Want You're not gonna get anywhere because everybody's going to
be worried about their own.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Yes, everybody's gonna be wanting you know how So so
you want all coaches to get a No, I'm not
saying you, but hypothetically you want in that system you
want you want all the coaches to make a million dollars.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
No, I'm not saying no, I know you're not saying that.
I'm just hypothetically.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Okay, so you want everybody to make a million dollars
as as as a coach, and it's a guaranteed amount
and it's for five years, right.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
No, I'm not saying that though, No I'm not. I
keep telling you, I'm not putting it on it.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
But what I'm trying to say is it is all
about what the coaches are wanting. When players argue about
what they need, there's always this fight. It's always a
fight when players, player safety, all these kinds of things
that players want, insurance, all that.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
I mean, we don't, we don't. We don't jump on it.

Speaker 11 (42:04):
But now, because it's so many coaches who are now
out here, who are quote considered great coaches, they have
an unlimited opportunity to make money and go whenever they want.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
So they would make the rules in their favors.

Speaker 9 (42:20):
I'm saying, I think the bigger issues, I think we
have to address the fundamental question first. I think the
first question is are they student athletes or are they
going to be semi pro pro athletes because if they're not,
if they're student athletes.

Speaker 8 (42:37):
Going back to what you're.

Speaker 9 (42:38):
Saying, then perhaps we should have educators that control the
n CUB A m miss teacher here.

Speaker 8 (42:45):
But you see what I'm saying. So we have to
define what their role is going to be. Are they
going to be student athletes?

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Are they going to be athletes you're rid of?

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I asked this question. We talked about this a couple
of weeks back.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
I asked, when's the last time you've heard of an
athlete be called a student athlete? What I'm saying, the
NBA says, when it's commedian, Yes, But for the most part,
if you're a football player, basketball player, baseball player, you
are a baseball player, you are a football player, you're
a basketball player. Ad no one's worried about when the
last time you heard anybody? When's the last time you

(43:19):
ever heard of somebody flunking out of school? So all
of a sudden, these great athletes are all great students.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, I would almost say.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
It's hard to do that because really, when you talk
about making them essentially employees, we're only talking about football,
men's basketball, women's basketball, because none of the other sports
make money, So it would be hard to say we're
just going to make these three sports employees and everybody
else y'all could be subject to the NC doublea's rules.

(43:51):
But what I'm saying as far as representation, if we
get rid of the NC Double A and we have
representation from each conference, that would maybe include an ad,
a coach, a player, athletes, that would include presidents, and
so it would be a collective body, a mixture of
individuals who have a vested interest in seeing this thing

(44:13):
go forward. Because I fear that where we're going, we're
going to a bad place, because we're going to a
point where it's they're just going to be employees for
those three sports. They're going to get rid of the
student you know, indication after a while, because it's just
like you said, it's just it's nonsense that we do that.
I mean, you got players making millions of dollars, You

(44:33):
got a twenty you got a coach right now with
twenty five million dollars to spend on student athletes.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Some believable.

Speaker 9 (44:40):
And thinking of it this way, imagine if they took
that twenty five million dollars, you could have twenty five
hundred students that got ten thousand dollars years scholarships. Crazy, Yeah,
in a in a small, poor state like West Virginia,
that would be great.

Speaker 8 (44:56):
It would help these students here in this state. Same
with Mississippi.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
But we are focused on the top notch players because
the money is we're talking about the money. But when
we're talking about the money, we're talking about who we're
talking about the best players at whatever that level is.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
So that that next tier player, what's he get? You
know what I'm saying limited out But I would tell
you again not to be a hater.

Speaker 6 (45:34):
But I don't even know if that's going to guarantee
you a championship because when we talk about having those
sort of resources, like at a pro level, you have
a GM between that coach and that player, right right,
You have a GM that has a different eye than
the coach. So if you're just giving the coach to
twenty five million dollars just because you have a collection
of talent does not guarantee that you're gonna win on Saturdays.

(45:57):
We've seen that it's not always the most talented team
that's just gonna win. And and I would just be
very careful about giving a coach a blank paycheck.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Well, because to that point, I'm gonna use you as
an example. So you are the player on the team
that I know as a coach who manages some stuff
in and behind the curtain that you don't see. You
might not see it on Saturday, you might not see
it on Sunday, you might not see it on Friday.

(46:29):
But I realized how valuable you are to the team.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Am I gonna pay you for that saying?

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Because the other there's the other guy who's the great
athlete to struggling with his grades. So he's me hanging out.
He's hanging out. He he's barely making through his grades.
He's just wanting to have fun and play ball. But
he's so good. Who am I gonna give the most?

(47:00):
I mean, you gotta give it to the guy with
the talent. But to your point, I think that's where
the management comes into place, because you gotta figure, you
gotta have some team guys, you gotta have the leadership,
you gotta have some talent, you gotta have a good mix.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
But see, I don't think I don't think they're mixing.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
I think they're I'm thinking they're taking the top players
and just throwing just throwing money at and the guy
who's the guy who's sitting back there, who we think
is going to be pretty good man. But he's a
leader and he's you know, he's dealing with the kids
to make sure everybody's doing everything.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Okay, we ain't paying.

Speaker 9 (47:35):
Him well, I think I think moving forward, you do
need to have a general manager for these sports. You
got to have somebody that's looking at it strictly from
a business perspective and statistical perspective. I mean, if you
look at it, and I don't mean to throw anyone
under the bus, but you look at arch Manning. Okay, yes,
he had a good win this past weekend over text
A and M He got eight million dollars for three losses.

Speaker 8 (47:55):
I mean eight million dollars.

Speaker 9 (47:57):
I mean, come on now, we apparently Worby part wasn't
giving him the right glasses.

Speaker 8 (48:02):
He didn't see what to do.

Speaker 9 (48:04):
The reality is we have to look at it from
a business objective perspective, and this is where data analytics
comes in. This is where you get a business person
in there to help make those decisions.

Speaker 8 (48:17):
Because the coach is gonna just.

Speaker 9 (48:19):
He may he or she may get emotional to decide
to pay somebody something that it turns out not to
be what it was worth.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (48:26):
I just I think it's not going to be as
easy as what people think managing twenty five million dollars.
And I would say I lived in Louisiana. I lived
ten minutes from LSU. If we think WVU has a
rabbit fan base, we don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Whatever.

Speaker 6 (48:45):
When you talk about LSU and Southern University, them two schools,
they have just fan bases that are on a next
level and the expectation is championship or bus. They may
not be saying it now, but when twenty twenty six
rolls around, it's going to be all right, what when
are we getting getting the camp and we're making the

(49:06):
gumbo to go to the championship or whatever it's going
to be at I'm telling him that's that's that's the expectation,
and it's it's And like I said, I just think
to your point, even when we talk about coaches, as
a coach, if you're coming up now, are you just
thinking about how to cash out and get the biggest
bag possible or are you thinking or is there any

(49:28):
coaches that thinking about legacy. Are you thinking about, Hey,
I'm going to be at the school for fifteen years,
we might win some championships, might go to the playoffs.
Are coaches even thinking that way now?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Like players?

Speaker 5 (49:40):
No, I was just going to say, I think coaches
probably have good intentions, Like in the in the case
of Lane Kiffin when he when he went to Ole Miss,
I think he felt like, Okay, they're paying me good money.
We've got a winning season here. Lsu approached him with
this offer and it was probably just an offer that
he an offer he couldn't refuse us, right, all the
money that's generational wealth, and so he's definitely at fault.

(50:06):
He's not a victim. But yet these schools are approaching
these coaches mid season or at the end of the
season when they're getting ready to enter the playoff you
know scenario, and giving them an offer that you know
he couldn't walk away from.

Speaker 9 (50:20):
And not only did he get the generational wealth, imagine
twenty five million dollars. To put it in perspective, that's
almost a quarter million dollar per athlete on the team.

Speaker 8 (50:29):
Just just so you put it on more than that,
just you put it in perspective.

Speaker 9 (50:35):
Wow, if you have one hundred and five students on
a football team, You've got almost quarter million dollars.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Wow. Wow, I just just per year too. That's a
lot of money. Yeah, that's a that's a ton. That's
a ton of money.

Speaker 6 (50:49):
Imagine be a seventeen years old and you got a
quartermal or I.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Don't even know how to count it and how to
count it.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
You think about these young kids that that's a lot
of money too, to be you know, laid at their
feet and be able to handle.

Speaker 6 (51:03):
And and that's just could just be a base that
computer they make.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
And and again we talk about you know, athletes football
specifically about low income families where they come from. It's great,
it's it's a great thing for those families because it's
changing the whole dynamics of those of those families. But
it is, but it is totally something different into the

(51:32):
sport itself, because to me, it just doesn't seem it
just doesn't seem right.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
It just doesn't.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
I mean, and and and there's some there's some folks
out there is probably gonna be like, oh man, he's
just he's just mad because he didn't get it. Yeah,
I am mad at you, but I just don't.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
I don't see how it's going to make.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
It's going to make players just be happy with the game,
just happy about the game. It's about the Like I'm
in the game now because I want the money and
I'm hoping to get the money.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I think, go ahead.

Speaker 9 (52:10):
What we keep talking about football? But what about University
Kentucky twenty one million dollars for their basketball team this season?

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Wow? Twelve to fifteen players? Is that the resources that
they have or that's.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
What they're paying out, that's what they're paying out that
they're paying that out to the basketball team.

Speaker 8 (52:29):
That's what I read.

Speaker 6 (52:30):
Wow, see and that's even less players, Yes, a mix
of fifteen right?

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, so East got could get over a meal.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
Well, I believable.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
But it speaks again, it speaks to the money that's
in sports that you just you just never think about,
that's been floating around out there. Whoever's been clearing that money,
whoever's been getting that money, whether it's the school, whether
it's the organizations, whatever, they're comfortable enough now, but to
throw that kind of money back to the app and

(53:05):
I guess the bigger like what does it do for?
Like how does that kick back to the school in
any way. I mean, I guess you know, if you're
Kentucky l s U, Right, you're getting that publicity from
you know.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
Well, if you're going to championships and winning, you got
the alumni happy, the alumni will donate more money.

Speaker 9 (53:22):
Right.

Speaker 6 (53:22):
Would you get fatigued though, like because you would have,
you would literally you're gonna get hit up every scene.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
But if you're winning, nothing matters. If you're a man,
if you've got that kind of money tigue.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
After a while, don't call me. I don't have that
kind of money. I'm unlisted. Don't call me.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
I'm not helping because and I'm not helping. And I've
said this before, I'm not helping because nobody paid me.
I had to work to pay my to get paid.
So I'm but but even with that, you should have
been paid something. Everybody who aid a college sport at
some level, particularly if you know what they used to say,
you know what, that's just something did you get your

(54:07):
school paid for?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Yeah, but that's not the value.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
School.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
I see the value of that at all. The value
of that is plumbinging.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
So because the reality to this, and I know we
got to go the reality of that is me sitting
in a class doesn't cost any more money for that class,
you know what I'm saying, So like that, there's nothing
I mean, there is no cost to a class when
when when you put two athletes in there, that's not

(54:40):
going to cost the school any amount of money. Right
because whether you're there or not, profess is going to
be there going to be that I don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Man.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
All right, well this this.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
We'll get back on this top getting I'm sure before this,
before the seasons up.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we appreci hey you listening,
and we will be back again next week