56. Not Another Record Store Day

Tim and Paul look at the fallout of another record store Day. Garet from Clash Magazine casts his eye over new vinyl. There's daft news from America, a quiz thinly disguised at a look at retail vinyl pricing and loads more of your favourite crate digging larks.

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Paul Field and Tim Scullion

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Episode Transcript

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We made this. Hello and welcometo week By Records. I'm Paul Field

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and I'm joined as ever by thelovely mister Tim Scullion. Hello Tim,
Hi Paul, how are you?Long time no pod? I know,
I know, should we should weopen up? We must say a massive
apology. I mean it has beenages, but we've both been like,
really really busy. The podcast tendsto happen because you are better than me

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at chivvying us along to to youknow, book in a date for a
record and stuff like that historically,and you've selfishly opened your own record shop,
and I think what you've discovered isthat it's quite a lot of work.
So Paul, I'm not blaming ifanything, I'm blaming myself for not
being anywhere near as good as youat getting this stuff done and actually sitting

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down and recording episodes. But Iam as if you, if you read
between the lines, I'm half blamingyou for having stuff to do. Now.
I think we shoulder equal responsibility,don't we. Yeah, it's been
it's been a mad few months.I think the thing in particular was it's
been much busier than I thought it. Yes, you kind of thought all

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this is going to be a coupleof years of quiet. You know,
we'll see how it goes, andmaybe I'll get somewhere. You've basically become
a celebrity in Belgradeable. I wouldn'tgo that far, but yeah, it's
been much busier than I thought,and so many DJs coming from all over
the Balkans, and of course theyall want to chat, and they all

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want to come and audition their recordsup at the counter over the speakers and
go through them together. And sometimesnot always, but quite often, and
sometimes that's three or four hours oflistening to banging hardcore sounds like bliss.
I'm not sure. Well, Idon't mind, to be honest, but
it's the point. Is it isgoing? Well? Yes, yes,

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that's fantastic. Yes. I thinkthe most interesting thing has been educating people
on having a kind of what wewould call a more traditional English style record
shop in Serbia. So I stillget people coming in and saying how much
do the records cost? Assuming thatthey all cost the same. I see,

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I have some records to sell.How much will you give me?
I get that at least once aweek without showing you what they are.
Correct. That's literally the question,no, no, not what they are?
How many there are? Just Ihave some records? How much will
you give me? Wow? Andthe endless one of because we have we

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have some like original nineties and twothousands LPs and stuff up on the wall.
Why is that so expensive? Yeah, I can buy I can buy
a new one for twenty pounds andthen you have to explain to them.
Oh god. But other than that, so listen, listeners, We're terribly

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sorry, and because we love doingthis. You know, there's nothing in
it for us, but we lovedoing it, so we're gonna We're gonna
keep doing it. And hopefully thatthe big gap was just a blip.
Well, hopefully a shorter format sothere's less editing as well, because that
can be quite daunty. Yeah,that would be great for me. Well,
with that in mind, should westop waffling. Yes, let's do

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some news. Now's him. Youmay have seen this floating around on social
media. Fifty percent of vinyl buyersin the USA don't own a record player.
Did you see this headline? Yeah? I did. Now what were
your immediate thoughts that? I don'tbelieve it's true? Slash don't want it

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to be true. Okay, sothat was my That was my gut reaction.
I thought, that's not true.But I think I can account for
it to some extent. Yeah,because when I first read it, it
does kind of it seems make Americatrying to make America's look a little bit
silly. Yes, but yeah,go on, go ahead, what's your

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analysis? If you drill down?Well, let's see. I mean,
there are certain reasons for this.Let's see. Can you do you know
what they are? Well, wherewe're going with this, I can guess
make the headline makes sense. Goon, guess My guess is Taylor Swift,
Adele, Harry Styles and the nineteenseventy five Okay, yeah, I

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mean that is part of it.Yeah. So my guess is that young
people and pop fans have got intobuying a record as a symbol of their
fandom super fans. And if youthink about how many copies super fans,
if you think of how many copiesBillie Eilish or you know, these the
big credible pop people are shifting.They're sending them to the cool young pop

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fans who wants it as a keepsake, and they're selling a lot of units.
There's probably a bigger reason than that, though, is there. Yeah,
the elephant in the room here.How many people come into your store
and say to you, hallo,I'm looking for a gift for my friend.

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Ah, because this survey takes intoaunt Yes, because I down into
the data and looked. So theheadline is very misleading. Wow. So
basically that's the two reasons. It'spop pop people pretty much buying a keepsake
and a trendy gift. Yeah,and people who really like listening to their
favorite album on streaming but just wantto have something physical exactly to own and

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hold. But so will the willboth of these fade? If? If
and when, you know, particularlywith how expensive records are getting new records,
maybe that percentage will will change.I don't know, but all I
do know is that title is verymisleading. It's just almost clickbait. Well

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have you ever had anyone buy arecord in your shop and tell you that
they don't have a record player allthe time? This week alone, the
guy came in to buy the newDepeche Mode album and he said, oh
no, I don't own a recordplayer. Oh he just he listens to
it on streaming and wanted to havea copy for home, and he told
you that, Yeah, oh itwas a Russian. So most of the

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Russians don't have their equipment here.So no one has ever in the nearly
ten years that we've had a shop, I don't think anyone has ever confessed
to us that they don't have arecord player. Wow, I get it.
At least once a week. There'snot really a culture here of a
vinyl as bigger as it is inthe UK, and yet they're still coming

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in and buying records and your shopis weirdly popular. Yes, oh I
don't understand it. We should wemark it up to cultural difference? Oh,
yeah, definitely is. But alsothere is a part that's because there's
two hundred thousand Russians in the cityand a lot of them left without bringing
their all of their belongings and stuff, things that they would typically leave behind.

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But they still want to be connectedwith culture exactly. Yeah, are
their records and turntables and things likethat, which are awkward, heavy and
cumbersome to transport and expensive. Whatif I start aggressively asking every customer if
they actually have a record player,you could get yourself in trouble there because

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you you might try and what's theword, look at them and assess them
based on their age what they're buying, and then you're going to get yourself
in a world of trouble when you'recompletely wrong. I could accuse all of
them have not I think a recordplayer, so I could start from that
baseline of you haven't got a recordplayer and then just sort of see what

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they say, and then I canI can. I can have a notepad
and just just make a little noteof what they say. Should Okay,
I don't know what I'm definitely goingto do that. Honestly, I've given
up trying to profile what my customersare going to buy because I'm I'm astounded
and surprised so often. I've justgiven up. And a Russian schoolgirl came
in to buy I think in youknow it's going to be Taylor Swift or

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whatever came in to buy some VillaLobos minimal twelve inches. Oh that's brilliant.
Do you think they were for her? Probably? I don't. I
don't ask questions like that. Again, you're gonna like it makes you sound
like a twice how it completely doesA guy came in yesterday with a big
Northern Soul t shirt on, andhe kind of sidled up to me and

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he said, can you guess whatJAMRAI like? So we do get that
he was harmless, Paul, hewas harmless. There you go. There's
the news our question for you listeners, and I think we actually know the
answer because I think we know thereare some there are. Are you a

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listener to this podcast who doesn't owna record player? We want a show
of hands? Please you can?You can tweet us at we Buy Records
pod, or you can email uswe buy Records Pod at gmail dot com.
I know it's probably a bit ofpressure on people to just get in

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touch with this only to say Hi, I haven't got a record player,
but that is what we want youto do. Tim. Should we cover
Record Store Day? Yeah? Sowhat did you get from from the offering

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this year? Record Store Day?Now? Normally you send a minion along
to get something for you if youcan't make it on yourself. I do.
I couldn't be bothered. Didn't doit right, kind of no interest.
Do you know what? I didn'teven look at the list this year.
Oh and I'm very torn because we'vegot. We've got a few friends,

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you know, in the area whowho have record shops, who do
record store day, so I'm verymindful in a particularly on the day.
My gut feeling is that I wantto slag it off to everyone that comes
in, but I'm too nice todo that when I know that down the
road there's people working really hard tomake it a success and who've spent thousands
of pounds on it. So it'stricky, but yeah, how about you,

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Paul. Well slightly differently here becausewe nobody queues up at six o'clock
in the morning or anything. Peoplejust come at lunchtime. There is quite
a limited range. I did order. I actually ordered some from the UK.
No from here. There's no likeI know in the UK, it's
quite strict about what you do anddon't do to be able to take part

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in all this kind of stuff.Here it's a little bit more laxed.
You could have had the records inyour hands two weeks before the event,
for example, was there any exclusivepressings for your neck of the woods?
There were, but only but theywere all local musics which I don't sell.
I literally took a hand. Ionly took like three three titles in

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the end, because I just Itook the Sisters of Mercy, Torrey Amoss
and Blur not Taylor that wasn't available. There was like eight titles available,
so very different, very different.And of those three, I haven't sold
a single one. Ah, butthe gates they weren't expensive, so I
don't care. They'll go eventually.So we've we've had some we've had lots

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of lovely listener thoughts about this year'srecord store Day. But do you want
to start by you know, wewe we're obsessed with value on this show,
aren't we, with hard facts andfigures and financial worth. I think
you've looked into this pool. Wasanything worth big money this year? Outside
of box sets? I think therewas a John Lennon thing which was going

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for a lot of money, Butjust your standard records, I could only
really find three titles that are consistentlyselling for you know, one hundred and
fifty quid and over, and thatwas the nineteen seventy five with the BBC
Orchestra, The Grateful Dead and BlueyDance Mode whatever that is. Don't even

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know what that is? Do youknow what that is? Nope? Listeners,
what's what's bluey dance mode? Please? What about Taylor Swift? No?
Well, you see Taylor was goingfor silly money. But this I
put into the same category as wedid the other year with Lady Garguys Chromatica,
where crazy people were spending three orfour hundred pounds and if they'd waited

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two weeks it will drops to sixtyquid. Guess what, Tim, As
that's what happened. Yeah, prettymuch, And that's that price is going
to keep driving downwards. I suspectsixty seventy quid is so probably only twenty
five quid more than it retailed.Well, I think it was about fifty
quid, wasn't it forty quid?So maybe even only a ten or more

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than some places would have sold itat. Yep. Very interesting. Now
you have had quite a surprising first. I would say this year I had
I've already had a record store Daytwenty twenty three title traded into the store.
I mean, that's that's really odd, isn't it. But here's the

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kicker, Tim, It wasn't atitle that wasn't available here, So if
you take postage into account, iteither came in the day after or the
same day, the customer got it. What the hell? So did you
give them a generous bit of tradecredit? I did. Yes, he's

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a friend as well, so Ibut yeah, but that was weird.
It was some weird jazz hip hopthing tribute to Miles Davis or something.
I did put it on Twitter andsomebody said it's terrible. Was it opened
yeah? Or was it still sealed? Yeah? So he played it once
and was like, what the hellis this? Straight support? Like,

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I literally ran Wow, very interesting. I mean, I think we are
seeing more record store day stuff fromthe last five or six years creeping into
people's bags that they bring into sellor trade to us. I do think
it's it's it's it's not an unfamila site now to see a secondhand RSD

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item in the racks of a secondhand record shop. Yeah. But I
think the biggest takeaway from certainly onthe secondary market from this year is you
ain't making a lot of money ifyou're a flipper, because it's just not
enough titles going for big money now. Either demand has dropped or the number
of the number being pressed has increased. It's either one or the other.

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Well, Paul we've We've had aflurry of listener thoughts about this year's record
store day, so shall we?Shall we dig in? Yeah, crack
on, so let's start. Afew people have dropped us emails because Twitter
isn't always enough to express yourself.Gary Callum says, I'm from the Northeast
and the five or six stores thatwe have in Newcastle had queues at each

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one around the block from six amand were very popular. There was a
massive choice of vinyl and everyone seemedpleased with their purchases. Talking to store
managers they all said they've been verybusy. So that's a good start.
Yep. I think fair warning there'sgoing to be a range of opinions.

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M Stuart Lonegan writes, My localrecord store is a Vinyl in Manning Tree
and although it was a few hoursearlier, this time I only managed to
be fifth in the queue. Eachyear, it's a good atmosphere and nice
to chat to others and the usualreprobates in the queue closing time at the
red line up the road bent banterfrom their inebriated cleontail. But one lady

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asked what were the rules of VinylClub? Do we chat about what's on
our wish lists. Would we gohome if we overheard our choices have gone
to others ahead of us in thequeue, etc. That's a good question.
Probably. Yeah. The bus oflooking through the window is Steve,
the owner of Vinyl picks and bagsour choices. Is really cool. I
like that. So this sounds likethis guy picks and bags the stuff with

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the regulars in advance, so whenyou go to pay, you'll literally just
picking up a carrier bag and nottelling them what you want. He goes
on to say, they've got avoucher for a hot drink. You didn't
get you got a voucher for ahot drink. Most of them, I
thought, just bring you a hotdrink. There you go. No,
it's good, it's good. It'sgood. Vinel knows how to treat their

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punters proper, nice people. Onlydownside of ours day is it not being
accessible for the disabled. And themister Ben is being repressed already. That
was a very popular title this year, Tim mister Ben and as they sometimes
do and annoys everyone, they repressstuff immediately. Yeah, it's it's crap.

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Although it worked in my favor witha they issued the soundtrack of the
film ghost World, and I missedout on it on records to a day,
and then they instantly announced another repressand I was actually very happy because
it meant that I could buy it. Can I just point out that made
me chuckle? Stewart that you're twodownsides that you end on there. One
of them is that a record isbeing pressed, and the other one is

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shocking disabled access. I think thosetwo things are kind they're kind of different.
They're two ends of the spectrum.I think I'm personally going to say
one of them is more of adownside than the other, but I'll leave
you to wonder which one that is. But he's right, you know,
a disabled person probably can't queue forseven hours through the night to pick up

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a record they want, and theyhaven't really got an option. The only
option they've got, unfortunately, isto send a friend in their place.
Yeah, but it is a goodpoint, which you often do, Tim,
and you are very able bodied.This is true, so I shouldn't
do it. Really. Simon Gallowaysays that he went to two shops about
an hour from closing time, andbetween them he got everything he wanted by

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one item. Both shops that hewent to implored him not to pay over
the odds for that one thing thatneither of them had. They said,
if we don't pay the flippers,it will hopefully put them off. Now,
Paul, this is in stark trustto Kieran Murphy over on Twitter,
who says, I popped into mylocal record shop on Tuesday as I wanted

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one record as a present, butI wasn't going to pay eBay prices.
They had a few copies in stock, but wouldn't sell one to me,
He says, as he said,no, I'm going to put them online.
That sounds like that might be TaylorSwift. Now that means put them
online at flippers prices, because ifhe was going to put them online at

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the same price as in the shop, he would have sold them in the
shop. That's not okay, isit? No? That's appalling you.
You pay your wholesale price and youset your retail price just because eBay has
gone a bit crazy. Shouldn't reallybe doing that, especially if you've got

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it. You know, it's forlocal people in local record shops. It's
supposed to be about bricks and mortarstores, or at the very least Paul
do it secretly? Yeah, doyou know what I mean? Imagine you're
reading up the customers and you've gotif your phone open checking eBay to see
if, like if any of thetitles are going nuts, and he should
be putting them to one side tomake a few quid. Indeed, who's

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next? Richie Sombrero on Twitter hesaid I saw a lot of places discounting
twenty five percent. A week later, I saw one discounting thirty percent today.
Had a browse today, but there'ssome mad prices too. In the
sixty pounds for double albums ODB thirtysix Chambers and a Charlie Parker LP I

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noticed had insane prices. Only oneI wanted I've not yet been able to
find. And Tom Waters on Twitter, I think he's the one to beat.
He has spotted one Record Store Dayitem from this year that was in
a sale at fifty percent off.Can anybody beat that? M or Briggs

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eighty four on Twitter says it's lostsight of what it was. It's now
about pointless double price to Bowie orTaylor Swift represses rather than the shops it
was set up to support, whichI strongly agree with. Paul, most
have to reduce prices to shift thestock. It was great initially, but
as with most things, it's becomeabout units rather than the shops. I

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mean, it's just true, isn'tit. The Record store Day the whole
point was to help independent record retailerswho you know, who were maybe losing
out to online sales, and justto remind people that record shops exist.
That ain't what it's about now,is it. No? Well, I
suppose the good news is if there'sif there's less flipping, there must be

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producing more units. Maybe the shopsare actually selling more records themselves. Maybe
well, Black Celebration tonight, hesaid, it definitely isn't dead here in
Seattle. The line to go througheasy streets around the corner and sort of
about three pm between Swifties and PearlJam the Rockfords, which the Rockfords played

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that evening in store. I heardthe day was amazing. Here we go.
Nigel Yates says Records to a Dayis still running strong here in Ireland.
Longer queues this year. Prices wereup on last year and some EPs
were silly money, but the qualityof record pressing was, in my opinion
better than in recent years. Iqued early and got everything on my list.

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Vinyl John says, I say theconcept of RSD is on life support.
Well, let's end with Skippy vinylssee so to me, this is
a tweet of two halves. Seeif you can spot the switch from negative
to positive. Paul, Okay,I'm not the brightest, so I might
struggle with this, but last seeif I can work it out. Skippy

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says, I would like it tostop and never happen again. People have
the hang of buying records now.That said, it was the best RSD
in age is I had my longestwish list in about ten years. I
rolled in at one pm and goteverything I wanted apart from two which I
picked up online. That is somepivot, isn't it. Thank you very

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much, Skippy vinyls. That isthat's probably the biggest pivot you're going to
see this week. I think thatthat's that's quite a nice place to end
it. There's still time. Ifyou've got a hot take on record store
day that you haven't heard expressed andyou want to share, then please do
as as it rumbles on. Youcan drop us a tweet at we By

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Records Pod, or you can emailus we By Records Pod at gmail dot
com. Tim it's time for Gareth. Lovely Gareth, Gareth and Clash Magazine
with all your lovely lovely new vinylreviews. I should think there's quite a
lot to catch up on. SorryGareth, Sorry Gareth. Well, there's

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been some interesting things over the lastcouple of months. I'm gonna keep it
relatively recent so people can get theirtheir eyes and things that will be at
the front of the racks. Startwith an artist called Tim Arnold who has
been self releasing some stuff recently,but has had a really big breakthrough in
terms of social media coverage recently dueto an album called super Connected and due
to some extra funding he was ableto receive and I've spoken to Hi about

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this record. Actually, he hadan autism diagnosis while he was making the
record and that entitled him to someadditional funding that helped him to release it
and he's pressed it through press Onin middles Bro that we've talked about before,
the new the UK pressing plan andit's a lovely signing record. It's
such a strange mix of genres.I've been writing about it recently as well,
and I was sort of touching onthe fact that you've got Bowie in
there, you've got David Byrne inthere, and then at the other hand

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you've got things like the very melodicearly days of Keene, which I know
for some people won't necessarily be theirbag, but actually it's that sort of
thing where it's just that really beautifulkind of like breakthrough sound to it that
has that immediate, instant melodic hook, and there's some incredible stuff on there.
There's a track called start with theSound for which they've made a very
striking extended video that's got loads ofextra narrative to it, which involves this

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concept of a device called the Eyehead, which has a fake advert voiced by
none other than Stephen Fry in themiddle of the album. And it's been
provoking some reactions from the streaming servicesbecause it's all about this idea of us
being plugged into the Internet all thetime, and it challenges the idea of
us using our music as just backgroundstuff that you use off a streaming service.
So having to put this album ontostreaming, there's been a little bit

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of reluctance about the fact that severalaspects of it are slightly mocking of that
kind of experience, but the recorditself, largely quiet pressing mastering on is
absolutely fantastic. Like I said,check out that video as well, and
really striking artwork as well. They'vedone a really nice job on this one.
So Tim Arnold super connected. Anothernew artist, I mean, Panic
Pocket. They've got a record outon skep Wax. It's called Mad half

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Hour. It's a pink vinyl pressingthrough Gez. I will say that Jerry
speaking, it plays back pretty quietlyafter a clean this it's got a kind
of girl group classic sounds, hasa bit of Rennettes in there, sounds
a bit like be My Baby attimes. The title track pays tribute to
Jerry from the Spice Girls and talksabout I believe her initial departure from the
and so there's a real kind oflike slightly ironic, but I think there's

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genuine passion about the kind of girlpara legacy as well. And then in
addition to that, there's also nodsfor the Perpets, and then they're also
big fans of Amy Man, Sothere's a kind of softer, more melancholic
quality to it as well. Ijust thought it was an instant summer fun
record. It's the sort of thingwhere you put it on anythink within a
couple of songs, oh, I'mgoing to be playing this a lot.
And nice striking bright colors on theartwork as well. Someone I'd not heard

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of, and one of those wherehe gets sent to you and you just
chuck the record on. I thinkit's so important that you try those things
that you've not tried before. SoPanic Pocket, Mad Half Hour. Somebody
that people will have heard of.Jake Shears, formerly of the Scissor Sisters.
He's done a couple of solo bitsand Bob's actually he's the second solo
album. There's one that you putout himself a few years back, which
didn't have the best vinyl pressing.However, this new one, Last Man

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Dancing. When I found out itwas coming out, I observed that it
was being put out by Mute,which is not apparently i'd necessarily expect it,
but they have really delivered on thisone. So as soon as I
split the shrink wrap on this forthe clear vinyl pressing is the one that
I tested pressed up Palace beautiful masteringsuperb sound stage and Jake Shears has a
tremendous like proper pop star voice,great presence, really loves disco music,

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you know, takes some of theelements of Scissor Sisters that you would expect
there. But this is a fantasticrecord and stuff like radio Eyes, sparkling
sort of delight of a song.There's a sort of hint's almost like a
sort of higher bpm craft work.I mean, just such a strange kind
of thing going on here, stufflike really big Deal's got great kind of
percussive disco breakdowns, tremendous lyrics dothe television people will know as that he's

(27:30):
attract to start with great song aswell, and there is a smoky orange
version if that's your sort of thing. Like I said, I tried the
clear vinyl, but Last Monday byJake she is a really really great record.
It's the sort of thing that you'dwant him to deliver on and with
the legacy from the sciss Sisters aswell, but just a fantastic sounding record,
and particularly he's got that disco influence. You want a really nicely controlled
bottom end on that, and Ithink the base on it is superb,

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but you know, songwriting absolutely fantastic, and Ben Gregory has got a new
I'm Out via Transgressive and this hasgot an optimal preying superb mastering by Katie
Devini used to be the frontman ofa band called Blind Avon, which some
people may be aware of, andthis reflects on a kind of mental health
period that left him in quite difficultcircumstances by all accounts, and then has

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written about that title the album ingepisode. You know, has written about
all of that and looked at thekind of stay in a psychiatric hospital,
and so you know, it's notthe kind of cheery indie part that we've
just been talking about with several otheralbums. This is a very complex record
with lots of textures and there's abeautiful track called c Blue, which has
so many different layers to it,and well, I loved about this record
actually because it's dealing with an emotionalreaction to it. You know, it's

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a bit of a cliche to saythe music goes where the songs tell it
to, but it really does feellike that on this record. It vs
all over the place, but ina really actually quite cohesive way because the
thread is there in the lyrics,but musically I think it's a fascinating listen
and the genre hopping I think hasdone rather beautifully, and Greggy has got
a really distinctive vocal. And youknow, Ben Greggy is not a name

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that I was overly familiar with previouslyknew of blind Avan, but a fascinating
record. Actually it's been beautifully pressed. The last two are big names,
both of whom did a fine jobeverything. But the girl announced that they
were back with Fuse after such along time away since Temperamental, and I
think both of them had just assumedthat they parked the musical career, and
then, as with so many artists, their view of their work changed thanks

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to COVID and Lockdown and suddenly youknow they are a married couple, of
course, Ben Watt and Tracy Thorneliving together. They were thinking, well,
actually, maybe we've got unfinished businessafter all. And so this new
record out of either their own label, Buzzing Flying association with Verve, and
they've gone back to what they do. But then I think they've got new
things to say in new ways tosay it. I think there's a really
cold, intense opening track that peoplemight know called Nothing Left to Lose You

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for it, kind of belter ofcaution to the wind, playing with Tracy's
voice in such a way as usingit almost like an instrument. And then
a couple of tracks, and Ican say there's very little higher praise than
this. A couple of tracks remindedme of Lowe's album Double Negative, really
sort of playing with the sonics ofit when you mess up, and part
of interior Space as well. Butjust a really fantastic standing record. And
the crucial thing with this one,folks, those of you that are deciding

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where does your hard earned go inthese days of very expensive records. This
is a mile shoal cuts pressed atPalace. It is superb. This is
one of those where if you wantto demo the bass sound on your setup,
you'd want this record. It's justinstantly massive sound stage. And it
was very very close to being Pickof the Pops. The last of our
new releases. Obviously those of usthat love them get some grief for them

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being you know that that band havemade their album again, and so on
and so forth. The National returnedwith first two pages of Frankenstein, their
latest on four A d as ever, I sampled the red version, which
is generally the one you'll find inindie shops. There are a few out
there and they have been pressed atdifferent places. There is a Sterling cut,
so it's Joni Nahannz who does allthese fantastic cuts these days, pressed

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Sterling because at Sterling. But thepressing that is the red version is through
optimal and that's the one I wouldperhaps recommend. The sort of fan club
version was done through at tact Ithink, and it's perhaps not as ideal
as you might want it to be. Musically, I think it's a tremendous
record. It's relatively brief for them. I think sounds like Once upon a
pool Side. Beautiful piano lead openerwith Suffie and Stevens new order t shirt

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I think makes much more sense inthe context of the album. Eucalyptus is
one of those songs that will bean instant sing along at the gigs,
and then there's this beautiful interweaving ofMatt's voice with Taylor Swift's voice on the
Alcott and when he guested on heralbum. I don't think they necessarily blended
as well as they could, whereasnow they found this perfect way for the
two of them to play off eachother. It needed a beautiful cut.
They've absolutely delivered a beautiful cut withthis one. And you know the delicate

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natures of closing tracks. Send forme, beautifully rendered on the vinyl.
Like I said, make sure youget the optimal copy. But that is
a fine vinyl cut indeed, somy favorite bit of the show. I
mean, I'm not gonna lie becauseI always like to deceise a little sneer
at somebody who's on the naughty step. Gareth, I'm I'm going to couch
it slightly as a sort of earlywarning step rather than naughty step, in

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that it's not as bad a sinas we've had in the past. But
Magnolia Electric Co super back Jason Malina'smusic sadly lost to us some years ago
after many years of illness, andthis set was put out way back in
the mid noughties as a four CDand DVD box that came in a wooden
box at proper actual sliding wooden box. People absolutely adored it. It's brilliant.

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I mean, Jason Malina. Ifyou don't know his voice, either
as Magnolia Electric Co or songs arehigher. Before that, go and investigate
him. I mean obviously finished thepod first, but then go and investigate
him. Beautiful, beautiful music,haunting, sparse bit of Neil Young debt
there, but all sorts of otherthings going on as well. These four
discs created a sort of catalog offour different sessions. They were used to
form the album that came out justbefore the box set. So there was

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an album called Fading Trails which pickedthe best bits, but the Sejour a
box set then had all four sessionsput together with a DVD in various other
bits and bobs. That was avery bond CD. People have, you
know, sought after it for along time, but it never came to
vinyl, just this selected highlights bitfor the one album that came out.
So everyone's been waiting for a vinylrelease for you know, good fifteen sixteen
years. Finally it arrives. It'sin a wooden box. It's a proper

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LP sized wooden box. There arethe four discs. There's no EVD,
there's no little medallion thing that camewith the original either, and it is
actually only about two hours of musicbecause that some of them are EPs,
some of full sessions. The boxset costs about one hundred and twenty pounds,
which is an awful lot for abouttwo hours of music, and even
only four LPs. It is ofcourse in a wooden box, so that
costs money as well. As soonas I received my copy, as I

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was undoing the shrink wrap, Ifound the made in the Czech Republic stick
on the back, which told meI was expecting some GZ pressings. However,
I thought, okay, Well,secretly, Canadian don't always get the
best vinyl pressings. This is aknown thing in the kind of vinyl world.
Inside they're all in polyline sleeves.Okay, this could be okay.
So I slipped the first discount,and the first disco into play had a
massive great scratch across one track whichproduced loads of pops. Another copy had

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noise all the way through one sidebut not the other. And so here
we arrive at those kind of traditionalGZ issues. I'm aware because I've listened
to someone else's copy, and I'vetried a few bits and bobs. It's
possible to get quiet copies as longas you're willing to do a bit of
geze lette and do some swapping inand out you'll get a set eventually.
I'm just kind of of the beliefthat once you're paying triple figures for a
box, it probably shouldn't be acomplete ball like to put together a set

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that actually sounds good. So that'swhy it's a kind of mild naughty set.
I will also say Nashville Moon,which kind of lead off disc in
the set. A few people havebeen pointing this out. I'm inclined to
agree. The sound is good,but it's not great in the sense that
these are quite sparse things that needproper treatment. It felt like the sound
stage was a little bit kind ofmuted in that respect as well, so
you know, it looks lovely fairplay to them. We've absolutely replicated the

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design of it. But when you'repaying into triple figures, I want four
discs that I can just play,and I want the sound to be particularly
special. So yeah, the MendoniaElectric Coasts Journey box set could do better.
But if you don't know the artist, go and listen. Gareth,
who'sare for a hard earned money forsome very wanted and required reissues The Undertones
Those first two albums have been reissuedseveral times, but the press release genuinely

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said, never before on colored vinyl. Imagine that? Can you imagine that,
Paul? They've been robbing the goodpublic of the chance to have it
on colored vinyl. What's interesting aboutthis these bmg reissues they use the same
twenty sixteen master from the original tapesas the previous vinyl issue, and as
far as I can tell, it'sthe same cut as well that was put
on black a few years ago.What that means ultimately is that they sound
really, really good. So actually, despite the fact that the self titled

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debut is green and the follow uphypnotizes on red again to match the colors
of the artwork, and the colordoesn't really play any great sort of deal
in this. They just sound excellent. They're really good sounding discs, and
crucially, the nul sum of allmastering cut through thirty three forty five and
just really kind of manages that midrange, which for those kind of late
seventies early eighties songs that can geta little bit shrill, they've really got

(35:37):
that balance sorted. Obviously there's teenagekicks, but you know, those first
two albums are just packed like theycould all be singles, so you've got
songs like here Comes the Summer andGet Over You and Jimmy that you'll know,
and then a half of them thatyou might not know so well also
sound fantastic. Hypnotized doesn't necessarily alwaysget mentioned in the same breath as the
Fantastic debut, But I would arguethere's no dropping quality, and my spies
tell me that it's selling at veryreasonable prices on the high street as well,

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so quite nice to see reissues beingdone that aren't pricing people out before
they've even started. An Oh Confoldsalbum bunker from two thousand and two when
he was just trading by the nameO Confold, although they seem to have
restored Paul to the mix now andat the time there was a sort of
loosely released vinyl edition that was quitehard to find that had three LPs of
the two discs plus a remix twelveinch, And they've gone back to this

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idea New State Music who've been doinga few kind of reissues from around that
time frame, and they're just doingthe two LP. You can get that
remix twelve inch, but it's aseparate release, so that will cost you
more money. But I wouldn't worryabout it. Just get the two LP.
The two LP's got a fresh masteringfrom Bow Thomas at ten eight seven.
They've pressed at the Vinyl Factory,so it's really decent pressing heavy weight,
but you know, the sound stageis absolutely preserved. It's very much

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of its time. It sounds likea record from two thousand and two in
the sense that it had those kindof big beats, which if you ever
heard Radio one around that time,it will give you some sort of PTSD.
But you know it does have thatvery particular sonic sculpture to it and
ice cubes there on. Get himup. Ameliana Turini is on hold your
hand. Huntress Thompson even pops upon Nixon's Spirit. You'll probably remember the
single Starioid Surprise, which had vocalsfrom Crazytown's Shifty shell Shock and then Nellie

(37:07):
Fatado and Trickier on a track calledthe Harder They Come. I know lots
of people like us to try andtalk about as much electronic music as we
can, and as I've said before, what comes in comes in. But
this one, honestly, if you'vebeen waiting for this, really good.
They've expanded the artwork from where itwas before. Quiet pressing, really strong
sound stage for electronic music. They'vethought about this one and it's just whether
or not you particularly want to rehearBunker Buyo Confold from two thousand and two,

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but if you do, this isfor you. On the other subject
of reissued dance music, Demon Recordshave started the Demon Records Singles Club,
and believe it or not, it'sa club of singles. It doesn't require
any membership, however, so youcan just pick up whatever you like,
and they're doing loads of twelve inches. They'll be some seven inches as well,
but I've sampled the first batch ofthese twelve inch singles. They're all
cut by Philkin Raider Air, soagain proper thinking about the mastering. They're

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GZ pressings and they come in kindof replica bags, so there's no inner
sleeve. It's done like a propertwelve inch from the day. One of
the titles is Urban Cookie Collective,a four tracker with several of their singles
from the Times You've Got the Keythe Secret leading off as you would expect,
and then several other tracks when aroundthe same era. Lovely for nostalgia
purposes. If you've been enjoying Topof the Pops on a Friday evening,
and then this is perhaps for you, although it is seventeen pounds, and

(38:15):
then Rosy gains closer than close thatpeople may remember from a few years later,
a great, great song, andit includes a tremendous remix from Frankie
Knuckles as well several other versions onthere as well. Lovely to see that
one back out the original artwork.I think I had the original CD single
when it first came out, butseeing it on twelve sounds great as well.
Good control of the sound on that, and then strikes you sure do

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has been paired up, indeed hasbeen paired up with Love Stations tear Drops.
So they've got two tracks on eachside, original plus a remix.
Again, they've been doing these atthirty three so that they can get the
kind of maximum sound qualities to quitethe fact they're putting slightly louder tracks,
longer tracks, sorry, on bothsides. You know, quite taken with
them. They're a little bit expensivefor what they are. But if you
want decent sounding copies of those remixesand you fancy them in, you know,

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the replicas done properly, you know, Demon have got access to this
vast catalog that they've accrued over time, and it's all sorts of different music
and they're using it sensibly, Ithink, because as well as all these
Dancer issues and there's clearly going tobe more of them, they've also done
William D Vaughan's be Thankful for WhatYou Got, which was recorded back in
the seventies, you know, backedup by MFSB. Later of course covered
by Massive Attack on Blue Lines,very similar arrangement, very similar sounding version.

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It has be said that Massive Attackdied, but that original gorgeous record,
beautiful vocal, and that even thoughit's one track perside, they've also
cut at thirty three rpm. Andagain I spoke to the label about this.
They're thinking was to get the bestsonics with the pressing plant they're using
and everything they're doing, this wasthe way to go about it. So
again there does seem to be areal attention to detail. You may bunch

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at the idea of paying those kindof prices for twelve inches, but given
the fact that you can just pickup whichever ones you want, I think
it's quite a nice idea in away to put stuff back in the racks
that you may have some nostalgic valuefor. Can I just say the most
popular section in my shot is clubClassics and it thinks like race Gained Quickie
Collective. However, the originals area little bit cheaper than seventeen pounds.

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That's all I'm going to say.This is the thing, isn't it.
And so often we're finding things thatactually they're being reissued where if you want
to dig around a little bit andput in the effort, you can probably
pick them up for half what they'recharging. Gareth, I've just paid by
electric bill and all I've got istwenty five quid left in my pocket and
I only want to buy one record, what's Pick of the Pops? Don't
tell me it's fifty quid. Youmight actually have a few quid left.

(40:29):
The fantastic people of Bubble Rap Collective, a Welsh label who've been putting out
tremendous things down the years. Inparticular recently they put out a final anniversary
edition of Georgia Ruth's Daby record,which I'd massively recommend, and they are
releasing the new album from Ivan Maltand he's had a few albums out previously,
and his last one was very,very enjoyable. There's a kind of

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John Martin early seventies Island folky kindof quality to what he does. But
then I've also described him as kindof a bit like Tim Buckley. There's
Nina Simon, there's Rayler Monteane,there's all sorts in there's a bit of
gravel, but there's also that beautiful, sort of mellifluous quality to the voice
that works around this dextrous guitar playing, and it's gorgeous kind of folk stuff
but with extra layers to it.Honestly, it's one of these things where

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you just need to hear it,because every single person I've recommended him too
previously was listened to two tracks andthen bought the album, So honestly,
go and give him a listen.Out of Time is the track that they've
been leading on. You'll find thatnow. But honestly, if you can
get the album in full, juststart playing the first couple of songs,
I'd be amazed if you haven't orderedit by the third track. This is
a majestic voice, honestly, arare talent, somebody who is just quietly
going about making fantastic music. Theartwork is great, looks like a kind

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of old classic that you dig upas the sort of the highlight of your
trip to a record fair. AsI said, there's these lovely kind of
seventies touches to it. Charlie franchas done a superb master for vinyl,
and I was looking at the disc. You know what I'm like, I
could not recognize where this disc wasfrom. You have me a record I
can normally figure out what's going on. This one not a clue. So
I spoke to the label. Theysend it. Be impressed at MOB and

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Eco in Taiwan, who are offeringsure runs on vinyl, pressing Oh,
we talked about them on the showat while about yeah and so, and
suddenly everything clicked. I thought,oh, hang on, and they said
they would try them and see whathappened. And then they were absolutely stunned
by what came back. Because Ihave to say everything but the girl was,
you know, almost certainly nailed onfor this, but this particularly given
the fact that this is someone tryinga different production plant and everything like that.

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The sound stage is superb, pindrop silent playback over both sides.
Twenty quid. You know, thisis all very very reasonable business here,
so Bubble Rap collective of the label. If you search for them you'll find
it, or search Ivan malt iva n and it's m o U lt
Ivan malt the alms called songs fromseven Grove. Honestly, I am absolutely
besotted with the thing, and I'mpretty certain that my current record of converting

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everyone who listens to it will continueif you all go out and do it.
The one thing I'd warn you isbecause it's done through this label,
that this pressing plant sorry, thatdoes limited runs. There aren't huge numbers
of these copies left, so ifyou want it, I wouldn't hang around.
That's their usp. You can't ordervery many pies put The turnaround is
quick exactly, so if you wantit, get it quickly. Thank you

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so much, Gareth Gareth from Clashmagazine. They're always a treat to hear
his data blast, Oh Tim,if you've got an anecdote, I do.
It's time for Tim's nidote corner.A regular in the shop, a

(43:28):
very lovely chap, came in lastweek with a bag full of records by
one particular artist and he said,right, I want to trade these,
thanks, I don't. I don'tdon't want these anymore. They were all
Nick Cave records. Paul all verynice. So for people that don't know,
Nick Cave happily went along to theKing's coronation, and this regular decided,

(43:57):
fair enough, you can do that. I don't want your records anymore,
thanks very much. What I thinkis interesting about this ball because you
did the exact same thing. Youcame trotting into our shop with a bag
full of Morrissey records. So Ithink when people shift their Morrissey records because

(44:20):
of his weird bigotry, or theirMarilyn Manson records because of his stories of
abuse, or their lost profits recordsfor reasons that we won't go into,
I think that's very very, veryvery understandable. I think it's more complicated
if you want to rid your houseof items by someone who has done something

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which is perfectly legal and kind ofsocially acceptable, but that you personally don't
share their view on, for example, the monarchy. I completely respect this
guy's decision to say, yet,do you know what then I don't need
mind, I don't want Nick Caverecords anymore. And By the way,
this guy wasn't saying nobody should everlisten to Nick Cave. He was saying

(45:07):
I don't want his records anymore.And the meat of this is to ask
you and to ask listeners what transgressionsmight an artist do or has an artist
done that has been valid and sociallyacceptable, but that has led you to
wrestle with whether you want this artistin your life anymore. What would Dave

(45:30):
Gahan from Depeche Mode have to do, Paul for you to go right in
the bin vote Tori. That's probablythe big one, isn't it is express?
A political is say I'm going tovote for X party who you are
ideologically opposed to, because it's legal. It's it's it's it's technically you know,

(45:52):
people can technically vote Torian. Thatis I'm not I'm not saying it's
okay, Paul, but it's whatI'm saying. It is legal to vote
Conservative. As it stands, itis still legal to vote Tory. What
do you do? You know,there's been I get into this all the
time, all the time in theshop. It's a great question. Throughout

(46:15):
history, artists have done good andbad things, and some of them have
been illegal, or some of themhave been beyond the pale, some of
them have been borderline. Is ita question of your personal integrity? Is
it a question of separating the artfrom the artist. It's a it's a
real mindfield. And you know,and like sort of pub bores who talk

(46:35):
about how the Wokes are ruining theworld would say, you know, soon
they'll cancel everybody, And I don'tthink that's true. But I do think
it's an interesting discussion. You know, what kind of acts or opinions are
up for debate and what stuff shouldpeople be allowed to just get away with
as long as it's not illegal.I want someone to write in and say

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I was at test Goes Harringay andI was next to get that parking spot,
but Nick Hayward swooped it and stoleit, and I went and sold
all his records. That's the kindof thing or after Yes, please,
even if it's not true, listeners, his apologies to Nick Hayward. He
would never do that, Paul,he is a thoroughly good egg. He
would not have done that. Thoroughlygood egg. Nick Cave really pissed me

(47:22):
off in his open letter justifying whyhe went because he said, I'm not
ideologically incurious and I'm not so straightjacketed in my thoughts that I know that
kind of stuff. What he didn'tdo is acknowledged that the whole reason why
people were pissed off with him,those that were, is that attending something

(47:45):
like that adds tacit support to thatthing and adds validity to that thing.
The reason why people get invited tothe coronation, big names get invited,
is that if they turn up,it validates the monarchy correct. And it
really pissed me off that he,I think deliberately, because he's not an
idiot, he deliberately didn't acknowledge thefact that him being there sends a signal

(48:09):
because if he's fascinated by it,he can watch it for all seven hours
of it on his big flat screentally at home, can't he Well,
I'm surprisingly tim, I didn't seeany of it. It didn't exist here,
and I keep for actually forgetting thatthe Queen's even dead. Nick Cave
won't be happy to hear that,Paul. What I'd like is a thought
exercise, please to keep it light. I'd like you, please, listeners,

(48:34):
to propose one of your favorite musiciansand something that they would have to
do in order for you to wantto get rid of their records. I
think the more the more ridiculous butplausible, the better. I want to
hear What would Tom York have todo at a petrol station? What would

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Madonna have to do? On Facebook? Let's hear it? Please? Should
we find a prize for the bestone? Yes, a prize for the
best one. All I would sayis keep it non libelous and keep it,
keep it in the realms of thetheoretical. And let's see, would

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you like a quiz? Tim?With all my heart pull it's been too
long. I mean, it's it'sa bit dry, this quiz, but
it's more about information than the actualquiz itself. But it is a value.
Why OA. So, now I'vebeen here a while, I'm kind
of getting my head around buying andthe prices of new records. Some of

(49:37):
them are absolutely ridiculous, and someof them I'm not as ridiculous as you
might think here, so I'm goingto give you. Well, I rewind
a little bit. When I firststarted trying to get new records, For
the most part, it was cheaperto buy a record from Amazon in the

(49:57):
UK than it was from the dishstuby to here in Serbia. Yes,
ah, but things have changed recently, some good, some bad, right,
So all I need you to workout is is it cheaper to buy
UK retail or Serbian wholesale for analbum? Wow, it's a It's a

(50:22):
niche. This is probably one ofthe most niche quizzes that we've had on
the pod. But I'm I likeit, but it will highlight some weird
discrepancies. Okay, excellent, BlurModern Life is rubbish double album reissue one
hundred eighty grand vinyl, which ischeaper? Is it cheaper to buy one

(50:44):
from from the UK? Or isit cheaper to buy one from the wholesaler
here? I reckon that. I'mgoing to say wholesaler. I love how
much thought you're putting into this.I'm trying. You can see in my
face I'm I'm agonizing over it.Yeah, I think wholesaler is because I
think Blur are a very British phenomenonand so I can imagine that places like

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Amazon now probably asking quite a lotfor that album. So you think it's
cheaper from the wholesaler? M inSerbia. You're correct, yes, so
UK retail from Amazon is forty twopounds. It's are you joking? Is
that how much it is for areissue? Yea. The Serbian wholesaler is

(51:30):
just fifteen pounds? Wow bloody hellyeah, I did say there will be
some extremes. That's crazy, thankyou. That's one point. What the
hell the new Depeche Mode album,Memento mori so, which is cheaper UK
retail or Serbian wholesale? I canimagine that that could be sold for a

(52:01):
lot in Serbia because they're they're massivethroughout Europe, piece and Europe. I
reckon that it's cheaper to get thatUK retail. Yep, you're quite correct.
Lovely friends are going to get allof these are selling that album for
thirty eight pounds. The local distributorhere is selling it for forty three pounds.

(52:22):
However, I should note that I'mgoing to name them. That's it's
rough trade are selling the same albumin the UK for forty eight pounds.
There's a ten pounds different that's goingto come up a lot. Rough trade
is not in a good way,not in a good way. I was
pretty shocked, to be fair,so the Madonna Record Store day twelve inch?

(52:46):
H what do you think's cheapest UKretail or the local wholesale? Madge,
I'm going to say I'm going thesame rogic as depeche I reckon that
UK retail is a little bit cheaperthan your wholesale price. There, no
the other way around. No,Weirdly rough shows the only place had only
left. They wanted twenty nine poundsfor the twelve inch, and the local

(53:08):
wholesale it was fifteen. Wow,that's still too much, it is?
I saw today on Facebook Flaming Lipsare advertising a four track twelve inch for
I believe over forty pounds. Outrageous. Yeah, discussed the Lovely Adele,
which we've seen pictures of her albumsbeing in American thrift stores piled up in

(53:32):
baskets and stuff. Yes, however, is it cheaper currently to get one
from UK retail or the local wholesaleor Yeah, that's a that's a good
one. Let's say Serbian the wholesaleit's cheaper because I think there's there's so
many copies that Yeah, there's somany copies that they want to shift them,
so they're going to be asking afair price at wholesale, I reckon.

(53:57):
Unfortunately you are wrong. So Amazoncurrently having for twenty quids come on.
The wholesale price here is currently thirtyfive pounds. It can't be,
it can be, And our friendsat rough Trade is still asking for thirty
oh dear so soundtracks the Rise ofSkywalker, the original soundtrack, which is
cheaper UK retail or the local wholesale. I have noticed that soundtracks have got

(54:22):
quite expensive because I think they're particularlyseen as an item that film fans by,
again not necessarily to play, butthat's more video game soundtracks and reissues
of cult horror stuff. I've beenwrong twice so far. Let's say that
that's cheaper in the UK at retail. No, but it's close. Oh,

(54:44):
for god's sake, Paul, thirtytwo quid at retail and thirty pounds
at wholesale here. But still you'dstill be needed to sell that for a
fair chunk to make any money here. Yeah, that's crazy. Things are
going to get a little bit crazynow. So Michael Jackson Dangerous Picture disc
UK retail serbian wholesale, Well,I know that that is ludicrously expensive,

(55:08):
so I'm going to deduce that forsome weird reason. You can get that
steal of a price in Serbian wholesale. You cannot the Juno sell it for
twenty six pounds. Oh okay,not as much as I thought. Wholesale
here is forty two pounds. Butour friends at rough Trade wants sixty five

(55:35):
pounds. Yeah, that's what That'swhat I thought. It was. Good
Lord, nothing makes sense anymore,Paul. No, I was looking at
these and I was research it waslike, these prices are all over the
shop, because I was looking forUK retail prices, and one retailer kept
pinging up again and again as havingreally outrageous prices. I don't get it.

(55:58):
We'll get to that at the end. As to why, Paul,
I'm stuck on two points? AmI going to? Am I going to
get past two? Harry styles?Harry's house? M Where are we at
with this? What do you think? Cheaper in the UK? Cheaper here?
I'm trying to think what I've saidso far. It's I mean,
it's it's just it's a fifty fiftyguess each time, isn't it. I
reckon that you can you can pickthat up for for a no? Oh

(56:22):
no, yes, cheaper Serbian trade. Nope, Juno selling for twenty pounds.
Wholesale here is thirty pounds. Roughtrade is thirty two pounds. So
look, if your wholesale is thatprice then and Serbia is not a wealthy

(56:42):
country, how much of these things? You don't buy? Those records?
Is that what it is? Yeah, you just don't buy them. They
just don't sell. M It's assimple as that, because nobody's paying once
you, once you put your marginon there, it's you're never going to
say, yeah, I think Idon't understand capitalism, mister David Bowie.
The demand. Yes, so ZiggyStardust reissue. Where do you think that's

(57:06):
cheaper UK retail or Serbian wholesale?Well, of course five years ago you
could get the UK retail of thatfor sixteen quid without too much trouble you
could. The world has gone tweto, so I think now that's probably twenty
seven pounds or more UK retail.I reckon those lucky Serbians will be able

(57:34):
to get the wholesale copy for lessthan the UK retail. Now you're quite
correct. Oh my god, youcan get that album for twenty pounds at
Juno. Okay, twenty five poundsat rough Trade wholesale is eleven pounds.
Oh bargain, which is kind ofwhere things should be. Yeah, of

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course it is in the good olddays. That's where it was in the
UK at trade. I clawed itback. I've got one more point,
the Lovely Beyonce Yes Renaissance, thedeluxe edition, Deluxe, it's got the
word deluxe in it. That'll costyou yep, Serbian trade. Nope,
do you know again? Do thatfor forty two pounds? The wholesaler here

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is sixty four pounds. No friendsat rough Trade once seventy How can rough
Trade be effectively double? What doyou know? How is that possible?
I'm telling you that's what's the pricelisted on their website. It looks like
they never discount anything online. Ijust used the RRP and that's it.
But it's definitely the same issue,the same yep, with the book and

(58:40):
the poster. Yeah. I doublechecks because I was like, how is
this right? Oh? I'm notdoing that? Well? The last one
do a leaper future nostalgia? Yeaso UK retail local wholesale. Where do
you reckon which is cheapest? Well, I've paul have been burned so many
times. So I'm going to aUK retail is cheaper than serbian wholesale.

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Better, bloody bee, it's not, do you know, sell the album
for twenty pounds as it should be. The local wholesalers sell it. This
is a double album, by theway, the local wholesales for twelve and
a rough trade sale for twenty eight. Rough trade. You're not not bad,

(59:22):
Yeah, you're not. You're notcoming out of its smelling of roses.
Rough trade. Oh I did incrediblybadly there three? Correct? Can
I just say in defensive rough trade? They are in major cities, they
have huge rents, and you don'thave any postage to pay. So there
are some factors, but just justbut just looking at the bare bones price,

(59:45):
it looks worse than it is.So those prices include postage. Oh
no, I don't think so okay, wow, No, I'm sorry.
I'm talking about you can actually goto the store or and pick those titles
up. I was too scared toeven look at HMV. It's because they're

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normally even they're they're so ridiculous thatit's not a fair comparison. Oh dear,
So serbians are mostly losing out well, as you say, just you
can't. You're not going to buyit if you live in Serbia and you're
looking at the you know, ifyou're a Serbian record shop that you're going
to have to put an astronomical priceon it. There's only certain Yeah,

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there's certain artists you're you're not reallygoing to buy. And if it's very
strange, how the difference can bethree times higher for like to like for
like. I think listeners will agreethat was a weird quiz, but that
was quite instructive as weird as itwas, so I thank you. Paul.

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Is bizarre. It's the kind ofthing you would just you would just
assume that around the world sort oftrade prices are kind of comparable, right
you would think, But hm,but no they aren't. It makes no
sense and I can't get my headaround it. Well, thank you for

(01:01:13):
trying anyway. Right, So that'sit for the quiz, Tim, and
I think that's it for the show. We are trying to keep them a
little bit shorter so there's less editingand we can get to do them more
regularly. So listeners, thank youvery much. Tim. Thank you.
Joined us next time for more adventuresin Vinyl on we buy records. If

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