Dr. Ana'Neicia Williams and Ogbona Hagins

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's not let me alright, you might put a password
in space. Sorry, alright, let's go get States real quick.
So we're talking to uh Stacey get But I'd like
to welcome everyone to another episode. We talk weeklies after
the talk on WPP and l P Philadelphia one o
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talk with your boy Charles Gregor and Beautiful Laurence is

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it and Classy Lady Sparkle was definitely in the building.
We got uh lady ls start coming in the building
and so we gonna have a dynamic show, which I'm
super excited about. We just tryna make sure that all
of our technical pieces are in line. We haven't some issues, no,
which is when we talk about technology, it's always something right.

(00:44):
If something they say Murphy's creed as they call it,
if something can't go wrong, it.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Does, Yeah, all the time, all.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
The time, the time, all the time. God is good
all the time.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's like a meme where the man is coming in
the house to kill somebody and it's like a church
person like they hide him, but he like the killer
is like God is good, and then the church person
like all the time you.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Saw that they said, look, look, look they said they
had they had that on. Let me put some music on.
Let's just put that on for a second. This is
somebody else we do this. This is smart music. Right,
Let just put this on because I want to talk

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a little bit. But they have, uh, the black card.
You know, the black card is like a game and
it's called the Black Cards or something like that. So
they pull out a card, right, and you have to
be able to answer it because that's your card. That
means you can keep your black card. If you can't
answer it right, then they gonna take you a black cardival, right,

(01:55):
and that's one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
And so someone said, I think they did this to
uh Kamala, right, they did. This is the Kamala on
the Breakfast Club. They was like, God is good all
the time. She knew it though, right, she kept her
black card on that right. And so we talked weeks
after the Talk of the w P P M l

(02:17):
P Philadelphia one on six point five, and we talked
weeks after the talk with your boy Charles Gregory and
the beautiful Lawrence and the beautiful class She's back in now.
Classy Lady Spark was definitely in the building. Uh, we
got lady yestus. You said, lady is here. Lad, she's
finally here. You know, I put on front street all
the time because she come in when she feels like coming.
I don't know what she be doing. Oh she she

(02:38):
still ain't coming. She's standing outside the door.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
And we just waiting on lady us stopping it?

Speaker 3 (02:44):
My phone?

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Where's that? So lady start said she don't have her phone?
Where's your phone in? I left it somewhere?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
How you text? Oh my gosh, got into.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Is it in your car?

Speaker 4 (03:04):
No?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I didn't. You need to call the hubby.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
He gonna have a fit about that.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
But on your watch, can't track your phone?

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Yeah, I think I had to meet up.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh it's all good. Yeah, alright, no, dom alright, So
let's get alright. Let's give a lady s dive around
us applause for even making it without her phone. That's
like our lifeline. So we need our phones. Right and
so uh.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
She did the old so.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Rock standing the xIC. You know we in the studio,
we can't hear that. That's like you know sound.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, and we.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Still got to do it. But it's still like that
all right, So we talk week after the talk a
w p UP Philadelphia one O six point five FM.
We talked weekly after the talk, and this is uh uh.
You know, look, let's talk about how your day was.
Let's stark there. How would you day? How would you
think my day was?

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Long? I was at helping my mom out at her
Women's Day conference, which was really nice. It was nice
to see all the women just being inspired. And you know,
it's really nice. The camaraderie, the message, the all positivity,
the love and all that. Yeah, it's just very much needed.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Shout out to Dukes. She's doing her party. She's doing
her part over there. All right, what about to be lad?

Speaker 6 (04:37):
I had a good day to day. So I have
been on this fitness journey, y'all. I have been like
wearing a fifty pound weighted vest walking three miles and
then I run only like twice a week. But when
I went running this morning, I saw these women out
there jumping double dutch. I was like, what they over
there doing? So when I went over there, I knew

(04:58):
a couple of them. It was the forty plus double
Dutch crew. Wow, So I was I haven't jumped in
years yeah, I still got it.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
You sure you're just saying it?

Speaker 6 (05:12):
No, I got the video, got the video?

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, ye to us, and we would have I'm shoot
it right now, right now, give it to your email
and we'll pull it right up. You're talking to crack.
You want to see, right, good news and bad because
that's good news. It's either one turning good news and
bad news because it's good news. If you made Yeah,
we're gonna put that in your story.

Speaker 6 (05:35):
Now, I'm like, yow's a long jump, and then a couple.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Of seconds s I told you I had it.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Yeah, but I had.

Speaker 6 (05:45):
I had a good day. I felt good, no.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Doubt, Lady. I don't think your mic is on because
we stuck on each other mic. But how was your day? Anyway?

Speaker 5 (05:54):
It was?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
It was all right.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
I got to catch up with some old friends and
get some stuff done around the house.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
We've all been running around, but not too much.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
All right, there you go. So we definitely in a
building and day, and I'm super excited about some of
the things that we have going on. Some of the
things that we talked weekly is uh, you know, have
been doing and involved with in classy Lady Spark. We're
gonna talk a little bit about that in her stories.
But what we have coming up next is you already
know a segment with whom I love to death. Why

(06:27):
do I love these segments because I get an opportunity
to talk to the good old folk.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Right.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
And so our interview today is someone with my have
a tremendous amount of respect for We gonna talk. He
when you start talking, just be ready, buckle up. Some
say controversial, some say it's just real. I mean in
facts is facts? Right, You just have to be ready
to accept it, at least be open minded to accept
some of the different ideals that's going on in our communities.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Right.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
And so without further ado, U you giving?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, So we have the mister O Bona Holme Hagen's
Obona Hagen's. He's the Thirteenth Amendment advocate and president of
the Philadelphia Reparations Coalition for American Freedman. He's a retired

(07:22):
architectural design teacher from Dobbins High School shout out to
Dobbins absolutely, former cab driver and environmentalist. Hagen's is also
the publisher of the Philly Word magazine of publication currently
on Facebook. Hagen's dual mission is to advance the Thirteenth
Amendments protections for freedmen and to establish an Office of

(07:45):
Freedman Affairs in Philadelphia, addressing the long standing impacts of
structural racism and supporting freedman community communities. For the past
two years, hagen Hagen's has been dedicated to getting Congress
to defen find the badges, vestiges, and incidents of slavery,
especially after Philadelphia's Roadmap to Safer Communities report identified structural

(08:12):
racism as a root cause of gun violence. This realization
led Hagen's to use struct structural racism as a badge
of slavery, making it a focal point of his advocacy work.
So let's give a warm warm we talk weekly. Welcome
to mister Obona Hagen.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Hey, it's been a long time since I've been up here. Man,
it's been five years. I don't know what did I
fall off the off the radar for a minute.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
You definitely with us, you know, So what's going on?
My brother, what's going on? Hawaiian?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Ah? Man, I'm great, I'm encouraged. You know, I'm wondered.
Let everybody know that I'm not crazy. You know, I
go down city Council every week. Everybody say, why this
man keep coming down the council every week talking the
same thing over and over and over and over and

(09:07):
over again. Thirteenth Amendment violations, American freedmen, badges of slavery.
These are all things that have been a focal point
of what I've been pushing. Right. So, now you may
not like this, many of your listeners may like that,
may not like this. But if you look at Donald

(09:29):
Trump and his tenacity and the fact that no matter
what anybody said, good or bad, he was focused on
getting re elected.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yes, she was, and.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
So there's something to be said about that. There's something
to be said about being or standing ten toes down
on something that you absolutely know, not believe, but absolutely no.
So I I go down the city council based on

(10:03):
what I know for a fact, based on the United
States Constitution, not based on how I feel about something,
or I feel that somebody is racist, or I feel
that somebody is doing me wrong. Well, if they're doing
me wrong, where is it in the Constitution that they're
doing me wrong? Where is it based on legal grounds?

(10:26):
Not just based on how I feel. So a lot
of times when you see us as American freedmen, African Americans,
we're failing because we don't understand what we're doing. We
don't understand what the law is, we don't understand what
the Constitution is. And contrary to popular belief, all of

(10:47):
the Philadelphia City Council members they do not know the
rights of the American freedman.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
All right, all right, So this is what I want
to do.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Right.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
So I want to back up a little bit because
I know there's some that may have a question about freedmen,
right and the actual terms right. So I want to
give context with which you're coming from that position so
we can continue to further extrapulate kind of the like

(11:19):
what you're standing on as it relates to the full picture.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Right.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
So let's start there with how you're defining and I
say that loosely, how you're defining, right, I say that loosely,
but how you're defining freedmen, right? Freedmen?

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Right? Yeah? Got you? So, at one time there was
a culture of slavery. It was never a law. It
was just a culture. White folk just own so called
black folk. It wasn't never a law, and our status
was that of a slave. So now we weren't slaved

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for all these years, and then we were at to
get in the war to save this nation. That was
a civil war, and we took it on and we
we beat the South. When we got in, we we
beat the South, and we were made a promise. We
were promised to be freed. Correct. So once you're a

(12:17):
status of a slave, once you once we were emancipated,
we became the status of a freedman. Not a race,
not black, not colored, not negro, but a status. And
that's very important. Freedman for freedmen or free women.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
You know, I got you. I just want to I
just want to make sure that people are following the
conversation right. And that comes from a place of me
and how I learned about the turn right, because it
was you know, when you think freedom and you just
think a name, you don't think freed person, free slave,
freed man, right, man inclusive of men, women and men, right,

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And so I just want to give that context.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
And that's very important though. Correct correct, because the United
States Constitution, contrary to what people believe, is a race
neutral document. No mention of race in the Constitution. So
when you mentioned race and anything dealing with when you're
interfacing with government. It's no, it's no such thing. And

(13:25):
that's why DEI is going to be eliminated. And that's
why there was a fund called the Fearless Fund that
was specifically dedicated to black women. But that's a race
and the Constitution is race neutral. This is all they
had to do. All they had to do was change
it from black women to freedmen women, and then they

(13:47):
will be well within their legal uh within the legal
basis of getting federal funds.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Of interacting with under the constitution. So so so people
are following right. The challenge is the DEI part of it.
Right if they have used they meaning whoever are practicing

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under the idea of DEI and want funds, right, the
challenge is using that right and THEI and it being
taken away because it's not under or within or safely
protected under the Constitution.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
They have no right to it. Nobody has rights to
anything under the thirteen, fourteenth and fifteenth Amendment except for
the descendants of slaverycha. And what's been happening is that
everybody else has been eating off our plate illegally. And
what this is called, it's called inco hate rights. Or
inchilent rights, their rights that are on paper, but everybody

(14:54):
ignores them. It's just like if you are driving down
a road eighty miles an hour in a forty mile
an hour zone and everybody is going eighty miles an
hour and there's a police officer sitting right there, you
would expect that police officer to stop the speeding, correct.
So what's happening to us is the same thing that
that would happen if a police officer was sitting there

(15:16):
at a forty mile an hour zone, everybody going eighty
and a police officer just ignoring it. So everybody, including ourselves,
we're ignoring our rights. So our rights are no good
unless we enforce them. Just like the police officer being
there seeing everybody going eighty miles an hour in AO forty,
it means nothing until the police officer enforces that, correct,

(15:40):
So our rights mean nothing until we enforce it.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Okay, all right, So fast forward, right, fast forward. Because
we talked about Donald Trump, now our current president. What
do you believe, what's the issue or why do you
think it was such a childe for Kamala Harris too?

(16:05):
I guess when the candidacy of President versus Donald Trump.
What do you think the issue of.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
That was the main reason is the failure of the
Democratic Party. I agree with that the Democratic Party has
been ignoring us for decades. US means as American freedman,
the the sentance of slavery Philadelphia, Black, No, not black fools,
right right.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
But so so the context we're we're speaking of the
context for people to understand when you're mentioning that we're
us who look like us black folks, but identify as freemen,
truly the descendants of sleep right right, I get that, But.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
When we say black, it encompasses all so called black people,
and those so called black people have been, whether they
know it or not, they've been stealing our inheritance.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yes, yes, yes, and this is identifying.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
This is very serious. So take for example, affirmative action.
Everybody thinks affirmative action was overturned. Affirmative action was reset.
Affirmative action was never for white women. Affirmative action was
never for immigrants. They benefited more than who it was

(17:21):
intended for. So what the Supreme Court did when the
Asian guy went in it was the Harvard case for
affirmative action. He was saying that he was being discriminated
against based on his race, trying to use the use
affirmative action, which by the way, was a executive order,

(17:41):
not a law. It was an executive order by JFK.
So what I'm saying is that the Supreme Court got
it right. The Supreme Court. Look, I'm quite sure Clarence
Thomas and all them Supreme Court justices know that it
was being misused, but it's not there responsibility to do that.

(18:02):
Somebody has to first bring the claim. So what opened
it up was when the Asian guy tried to use
affirmative action as a way to get into Harvard, right,
because he wasn't smart enough for real, that's the real deal, right,
So when he used it, it opened it up for
the Supreme Court to set it straight. And that's what
the Supreme Court did. They set it straight. They didn't
overturn it. So now American freedmen, those who can define

(18:27):
their lineage to eighteen seventy, they qualified for admission preference
into colleges. Now I'm upset about that. Right, I'm gonna
tell you why I'm upset because I told Isaiah Thomas,
the education chair. Okay, so the education chair in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
So Isaiah Thomas, now sitting member of city Council. That's right, right,
So just for people who are kind of like trying
to follow you, I just want them to kind of
walk with you so they cannot get it.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Go ahead. This is very serious, man, I want to
explain to you. Okay, this is serious as my ancestors
getting their feet cut off. This is as serious as
my ancestors getting a tongue cut out when they were
trying to read when they got caught. For someone who
teaches at a san Kolpha school, which san Kofa is

(19:15):
a is a dincerous symbol. It's a symbol in an
African culture, particularly West Africa, right, which means that you're
gonna move forward, but you gotta look back and you
gotta remember where you came from. And there's no way
that someone who goes to who teaches at a san
Kulpha school comes out of the freedman, the freeman the
freedom schools. Shou never deny what our most successful ancestors

(19:40):
did in the Civil War, in the Thirteenth Amendment and
developing the so called black wall streets all across the nation.
It was because of the Thirteenth Amendment, and for him
to deny the structural racism bill that I introduced based
on the city study, for him not to say anything,
to say to come to me and say, yo bonu,

(20:00):
what can I do? Because I know the history. See,
our ancestors died for freedom. Correct, they didn't die for
the right to vote, but that was part of what
we wanted. And for someone to be a descendant of slavery,
who have the power to at least introduce legislation on
behalf of the descendants of slavery, to not do it,

(20:24):
it's treason us. It's unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Okay. So okay, So I'm trying to understand this. So
you're alleging that because we can't make an affirmative here, right,
So I'm just saying, you're alleging that Isaiah Thomas ignored
the legislation that you put out about what.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
The structural racism and structural racism is a badge of slavery.
Structural racism was outlawed by the Thirteenth Amendment. So if
you take a vow to uphold the Constitution and you
see constitutional violations happening, and you're a lawmaker and you
say nothing, you need to be thrown in jail.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
So so can just on the flip side of that,
or can one argue because I don't know, but could
he argue or someone argue and say that, you know,
Isaiah Thomas didn't really know or understand the breath the
brevity of what because it's because what I will say,
and one thing that I know for a fact that

(21:31):
the brother does some excellent work for our people, especially
the youth. Right, And so I will be remiss if
I didn't say that. When we're talking about people who
look like us, I'm using the term loosely, as black
folk term uslee loosely. Right, I know that that brother
has been doing excellent work when it comes to that.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
So, got a young boy outside, he he does a
breaking and enduring and entering and he he he assaults
somebody and he breaks the window, right, he gets caught.
The fact that he doesn't know what the law is

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doesn't absolve him from the punishment of breaking the law.
So because Isaiah Thomas don't know our rights, that's not
that's on him. Ignorance of the law has no excuse.
So because he doesn't know what our rights are doesn't
mean that he shouldn't know it, particularly as a lawmaker.
A lawmaker makes laws and don't know the law. How

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does the lawmaker who is an American freedman don't know
the reconstruction the members that freed our ancestors. This is
imagine a Jewish person in Isaiah's position, right, And it's not.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Okay any of that.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
But it is fair, I tell you why.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
But it's not fair. Wait, wait, it's not fair to
compare Isaiah Thomas to our Jewish brethren.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Why completely, I'm gonna tell you why. Anti Semitism is
the equivalent of structural racism. No, it is. I'm saying,
I'm speaking facts. Anti Semitism is being against Jewish people,
and structural racism is, which is a Thirteenth Amendment violation,

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is against the American freemen, the people who save the
structural systemic that's all, but all of those when it's
just substitute structural for Thirteenth Amendment violation for a badge
of slavery. Because see, we got to get that in
the lexicon, because we don't see committing discrimination or or

(23:52):
structural racism. Calling it a crime is not enough, because
it's more than a crime. It's a badge of slavery.
It's the same thing that happened to our ancestors doing slavery,
which was abolished by the thirteenth Amendment. So, for example,
we didn't get education, and if we did get education,
we got poor education. The fact that we got poor

(24:15):
education was abolished with the thirteenth Amendment. Right, But let's
fast forward to twenty twenty four. All over this nation
that the sinners of slavery get the worst education. That's
a badge of slavery that needs to be addressed by
the United States government immediately. These are not some ask
This is what has been mandated by the United States Constitution,

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which is the most powerful document on the planet. And
if this country prides itself on being the land of
the free, and the people who fought to make this
land possible have not received the promise from the most
powerful nation in the world. That's a Thirteenth Amendment violation.
It got to take. They have to address it immediately.

(24:59):
Whoever from Congress hears this, when they hear the words
coming out my mouth, they're obligated to address it. That
was the promise to our ancestors for whipping them white
folks behind in the South that saved this nation. And furthermore,
we built the nation in slavery, and then after slavery,
every successful useful invention we did it the the senants

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of slavery, specifically the freedmen. And for us to be
treated with this level of disrespect is akin to what
a Jewish people or Holocaust survivors say. I am a
fourth generation chattel slavery survivor and that means something my
ancestors bled for this country and for this country not

(25:47):
to respect that, for the city council members not to
respect me when I bring them a grievance and they
ignore me, that's their election of duty, breach of duty.
They should be locked up.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Got you. I agree that I have no debate against that.
I agree, especially when it comes to our people right.
But I do want just so people can understand the context.
For those who don't understand what the thirteenth Amendment is,
I'm on literally Constitutional Amendments. Amendment thirteen, the Abolition of Slavery,

(26:24):
so Amendment thirteen of the Constitution, the first of the
three reconstruction amendments, was ratified on December sixth, nineteen, eighteen
sixty five. It forbids chattel slavery across the United States
and in every territory under its control except as a
criminal punishment. So I just wanted to give that context.

(26:46):
So's when he's talking about the thirteenth Amendment, that's the
particular amendment that he's referring to.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
But now let me everybody always goes to that part
that if you commit a crime, you can be enslaved again,
but they forget the part that says all badges, vestiges,
and instance of slavery has to be abolished. Now here's
how it has to be handled. Congress has to form
a standing committee to finally define all these things. All

(27:15):
this racism, whatever you call racism as an American freeman
is a badge of slavery, and Congress is obligated to
define those things and outlaw them, okay, and they haven't
done it. And the last time that this has been
presented before the Supreme Court, it was a I think
it's called the Meyer's case. But the Supreme Court said, look,

(27:35):
you're right, this is the Thirteenth Amendment, you know, violation.
But Congress has to define these things as a Thirteenth
Amendment violation, and they haven't done soism yet.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Fantastic, fantastic. So now that do we have a full
context of that right thirteenth Amendment in everything. And I
appreciate your passion on that because I love my people too.
I love my people as well, and you're doing this
out of love and this is obligation that you have
and you committed yourself and you're coding yourself accountable to do.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
So this is what this is. Okay, this is the
continuation of what is law.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
So this is not the words coming out with your mouth.
I'm just repeating what the thirty ninth Congress said that
the descendants of slavery should have into perpetuity forever. Got you,
We have protection too. The federal government is supposed to
protect the American freedman. During the most successful time that
we were, when we created the Black Wall streets before

(28:34):
the sabotage, we had federal protection. They couldn't nobody could
do anything.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Okay, So because we're talking about that, let's let's go
to a question that someone sent. Then she said, uh,
techno girl, she said, but we need to know those rights,
right and so so so to that point, right, how
could one someone who's watching this right, who's listening to

(29:01):
you and have a light bulb like, oh my gosh,
I love this or I need to understand how can
they find out their rights as a freedoman man?

Speaker 3 (29:09):
You know what, let me just tell you something. You know, Uh,
whoever organized this for me to be here? It took
me a while to get a date together, and then
I was threatened wait.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait in a good way.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
In a good way. I was threatened that if I
didn't nail down this date, it would be, you know,
two months later. So the irony in this is that
we just launched the website about two days ago. Wow.
So it was just perfect timing and.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
It starts it just aligned and.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Everything is spelled out at Freedman Coalition dot org. Got
you coalition Coalition because we are the Philadelphia Reparations Coalition
for American freedman So it's no mistake as to who
were And we don't play the race card. We deal
with status, so nobody can ever accuse us of playing

(30:03):
race and really we may not want to admit it,
but American freedmen they played a race card.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Okay, So look, so we're as you had a question.

Speaker 6 (30:13):
Yeah, I wanted to know when you just said that,
how does it specifically address the needs of the community.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
How does what address the.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
Needs for your freeman affairs.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Oh so, what we're working on now is the establishment
or the re establishment of an office of Freedman Affairs
within the City of Philadelphia, which makes us an actual
part of the government. So the LGBTQ community they have
an office within the city of Philadelphia. The African and
Caribbean folk, they have an office within the city of Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
The people who.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Save the nation, who built the nation, the American freedmen,
do not have an office within the city of Philadelphia.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
How do we.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Justify that with? For the forty last forty plus years
of all these so called black mayors, all these so
called black city council presidents, all these so called Black
city council members, and they don't feel the need for
the descendants of slavery, the ones that if you take

(31:18):
away everything that we created, this would be an empty world.
We don't have an office.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
I got you, you know, and I always and I
always because we play devil's advocate here, because we're non partisan,
like we don't side anywhere. We got our own side
we talked weekly side, right, and so I like to
just say right, just to be fair, right that I
want to make sure that if we're talking in the affirmative,

(31:51):
we have to understand that they know right that we're
talking about city, because you mentioned they don't so they
are city coup, so right that they know that this
is happening, or they know that it should be an office,
or they know that someone reached out to them to
support this. Right, I'm assuming that you already did your

(32:11):
due diligence with this. We talk weekly. It's pretty much
saying that we don't know if they did that, right,
So there is a us knowing because our history has
always been open to get platform for anyone and everyone, Right,
we don't. I mean, if Donald Trump wanted to come in,

(32:35):
he might get grilled a little bit, but he has
the invitation to come and talk his position. Right, But
we like to give the opportunity to say, okay, well
then what's your side then, like do do you know this?
To give them that you know that that ability to

(32:56):
have a voice. Also, So that said, right, that said,
I want to make sure that we're being fair when
it comes to making an affirmative to say that they didn't.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Do X, Y and Z. I'm glad you asked that question.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Brother, Okay, we're just doing our due.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
You have to and let me get your pound on
that because you you are a good journalist, because you
asked the questions that a lot of these folks who
are on these other stations don't ask. For the last
two years, I've been speaking on the record on YouTube.

(33:33):
Everything I gave them the bills, told them that their
study said that the root cause of gun violence and
structural racist racism. Their study said that the solution is
large scale investments, not fifty thousand dollars grands dred thousand
dollars grants a billion dollars two billion dollars to make
North Philly right now with us there to look like
Chestnut Hill in less than ten years. That is within

(33:56):
the power of the mayor city council. But guess what,
they don't know our rights and they don't know their power.
And everybody say, hey, you o boner. Nobody else is
saying this. Al Sharpman is not saying this, and I
didn't I never heard doctor King say this, and I
never heard Malcolm and all these people and Tavis smile

(34:19):
I've never heard all of them. People say this right,
There's always been a discovery of something all the time.
Why is it so hard to believe that myself and
my team have come up with something and discovered something that,
as doctor King said, truth crushed, the earth will rise again.

(34:42):
This is just the truth rising again that doctor King prophesied.
Doctor King never talked about the Thirteenth Amendment. Doctor King
when he skipped over the Civil Rights Act of eighteen
sixty six, which was the beginning of structural of civil
rights in the world. There was not civil rights before
the American freedman. So I'm saying for the people who

(35:05):
created civil rights, for the people who created everything in
this in this in this world that is useful, for
the people who created whole towns straight out of slavery
with the promise that of the Thirteenth Amendment they gave. See,
people think that the newly freed slaves just built everything

(35:26):
out of nowhere. Well, how did they chop the trees
down to make the lumber. Where did they get the
nails from, Where did they get the seeds from, Where
did they get the fertilized Where did they get everything
that they needed to build a town. The government was
obligated to give it to them the same way that
the government is obligated to give it to us.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Now, I got you, I got you, all right, So
so fast forward. I could talk to you all day.
I can talk to you all evening about this.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Man. Brother, it's so much and I'm saying this, it
would be well worth for the for for your because
this is new stuff. This what this interview here. Ain't nobody,
no man, nobody talk about this like this for sure,
you know. So this is something that really should be
pushed out in the reparation world. Okay, so they can

(36:12):
see exactly what we're doing here in Philly.

Speaker 7 (36:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Well, well, you go to We Talk Weekly dot com.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
You'll see you'll see it.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Make sure you like and subscribe our YouTube page because
this will be there. So I want to talk a
little bit about because I again again and I say
this because one of the things people know about We
Talk Weekly is that we talk truth to power, and
we wear one hundred percent when it comes to our
accountability and our support in the community.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
We don't shy away from that, and we try our
best to keep it one hundred with whatever we say, right,
and so I would be remiss if I didn't say
that there's a lot of city council members who have
actually come to our show, right, and they're actually out
there want to work. Well, I'm so, and that's a

(37:04):
great question. That's a great question. So our definition of
doing the work is if you're saying that you're out
in the community and you're doing X, Y and Z,
and I know for a fact that we talk weekly
is out in the community. If I see you and
on a black on the back block, if I see

(37:24):
you in places where even I shudder to go and
I see you there, you're doing the work. Because there's
a lot of people. It's a lot of people people
in that's in within our leadership, right, that won't go
to certain places but feel like they have all the
answers and fixing certain things, right. And so when I

(37:45):
say doing the work, we could say loosely, right, I'm
saying I'm seeing them in the community doing certain things
that they have been arguably campaigning on that they will
do and actually doing that. So that's what I mean.
So in terms of I guess the even project thirteen
and some of the work that you're doing, I can't

(38:07):
speak to that, right, But what I will say is
I'm seeing certain people like oh Ma, Savere was here.
He's the first commissioner who I have ever seen not
only give out this information but on the corner doing
what he's supposed to do in giving the people information.
I never have seen it. I actually got a video

(38:27):
on him doing and I just happened to not know.
I just happened to be driving and was like, yo,
I've never seen this before, stopped and got some footage
of it because I never seen that.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Right.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
So when we talk about people that need to be
amplified for actually doing some service, it's stuff like that
in which I'm talking to because all the times are
often we get positions like not necessarily saying that you're
doing a bad thing, right, because the facts and information
needs to be out there. But oftentimes we see a

(38:58):
lot of people making criticism or being very hard on
certain people in leadership positions and not giving the other side.
So that's my position. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
So marketing and advertising can make a rotten apple look
beautiful because you see politicians out in the community. See,
here's my question, what is the job of a city

(39:29):
council person. I'm sure you're gonna let us know to
create and amend law.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Okay, that's it. Technically you talking about the technical job description.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
It looks good. When you're giving out food, it looks good.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
We're not just talking about shaking hand, kissing babies, giving
example what they do. Listen, I'm not saying just shaking hand,
giving out turkeys and kissing babies. That's not what I'm saying.
I'm talking about actually talking to the com unity information.
All right, So I'm not gonna get in next. I
don't know no wait wait wait wait, no, no, no, no,

(40:08):
I can't talk on something that I don't necessarily know
to get to either defend, confirm nor deny. Right, And
so what I can say right, which is what I
stated that if I go out, if we talk weekly,
goes out and we're seeing someone come in here and say, hey, well,
I have been on the corners, I have been doing
certain things that I've never seen commissioners do. And I'm

(40:30):
going to go out there and I happen to pop
up and see you, I'm like, hmm, interesting, Right, if
I see someone like who I'm not even a Republican.
If I see a Republican come in here and sit
at the table and say I have been to and
supported people who look like me, and you don't look
like me, like David Oh. I have seen him in

(40:52):
communities that some of the people who look like me
don't even go into parties that they don't even go to,
that he's there, he's standing in support individual or black entrepreneurs.
I had seen him do that, So I can vouch
that I have been there and seen him. I can't
talk about nothing else. I'm talking about what I seen.
So that's all we do. We don't make up information here.

(41:13):
We got journalists here, right, and so we gave the facts.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
That we know. So let me give you the facts
about so one thing that look at the voter turnout, right,
look at the amount of voters that actually turn out
and vote, and then say that the commissioner is doing
a great job because he's not motivating and inspiring the
mass majority of people to come out and actually vote.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
And how would he do that? How about talk the solution?
How would he do that?

Speaker 3 (41:42):
How did everybody flip from Joe Biden to Kamala Harris
overnight flip from Joe how one moment, it was Joe
Biden is fine, Joe Biden, Joe Biden is fine. Right.
Then the very next day.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
I'm gonna Harris Kama, Harris Kamla Harris Listen, listen, I
wonder how did that happen? Listen. I one hundred percent
agree with that. I think that was a poor job
with the Democratic Party. What I will say, however, we're
talking about the commissioner.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
But what I'm saying, we're talking about yes, right, advertised.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
I just want to affirmative. Are we talking about the commissioner?

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Market and advertised everybody?

Speaker 1 (42:24):
We were talking about the commissioner. I'm saying right that
we were talking about the work that the commissioner this
Philadelphia city. We're talking about Philly, right, the PA is
he pa Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Right? And so the job that
I seen him do, that was just kind of like
a kind of like a conversation moment on what I seen.
So when we talk about a national election, right, he

(42:47):
don't have anything to do with it.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Talking about the national election, I'm talking about let's look
at the local election, our local election. If somebody can
pull up the voter turnout, look at the registered voters,
how many they are and how many actually come out,
and then let's look at the whole population. So now,
for me, if I was the commissioner, I know how
to speak to young people, not the BS stuff. I

(43:12):
know exactly because I'm out there in the streets where
you turn you.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
But again, which is why you have a platform here,
because I seen you.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
But what happens is that in marketing and advertising, you
know that a person has to see something at least
ten times before they begin to want to And so
why isn't that same energy placed in getting people out
to vote by the commissioner and the Commissioner's office and
the ones before him and before him, and before him
and before him.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
I can't talk to that. But what I can say,
which is the reason why I said I seen a contrast,
was because I seen the oh marsa Beard do certain
things I never seen the commissioner.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Has been the result of that though if it hasn't,
if it happened, hasn't produced an increase of voter turnout,
That's just something that somebody does. If I'm going to
go out and do something, I have to see a result.
So like what we're doing right now, it started off
as just a conversation on the phone right with people
and with the reparations coalition, right, And then it moved

(44:08):
from that point to another point. Then somebody else came
on board. Somebody else came on board, and they recognized
the truth. They were honest, they weren't just playing. Look,
we got to look at the connections and politics in Philadelphia.
It's nepotism running all wild. So what you see, but
what you see, But what you see is not what
you really see. You don't see the family connections in Philadelphia.

(44:30):
Book is coming out. Oh I got a book coming out, brother,
Oh yeah, about this whole thing, me running for office
and how the Democrats that's pushed me. Why would the
Democrats push somebody out that's speaking about the betterment of
their people. Wait a minute again, I keep making the
comparison because whenever there's a mention of anti semitism, people

(44:51):
jump at attention. When there's a mention of structural racism,
oh well, because that's again you're ignoring the rights that
are on paper. So what my mission is is to
get us to understand our rights. To get young, because
this is really not this is a young folks. This
is about your money. Look at least eight hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
You're old.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
You're old, you're a descendant of state's in writing, and
the thirteenth Formendment guarantees you that and more the money
that the negro Leagues lost. See, we don't think about
the negro leagues, and they were put out of business
by Major League Baseball. There is a lawsuit to be
developed for the descendants of the people who owned the
buses and the stadiums and the concession stands. They were

(45:39):
put out of business because of a Thirteenth Amendment violation,
because the United States government allowed the Major League Baseball
to bankrupt major of the Negro League.

Speaker 6 (45:48):
Well, you just answered my question, because my question was,
what do you believe was the most impactful reparation that
we get.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Reparations is the thirteenth Amendment. So it's whatever it takes.
There is no set number, there is no amount. The
thirteenth Amendment guaranteed equality. So whatever it takes to bring
the descendants up to equality with white folks.

Speaker 6 (46:10):
What does it look like, though, it's.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Whatever whatever it takes. Alan Greenspan, the former fairchair, said
there is no debt that America campaign, so it doesn't
matter what it is. So it doesn't matter what it is.
If it's a million dollars for you and maybe too many,
it doesn't matter. America can do it. America is the
most powerful nation in the world. And I and the

(46:32):
Reparations call, the Field Reparations Coalition is holding them accountable
for abiding by what the thirty ninth Congress said. The
thirty ninth Congress said absolute equality. They didn't say grants,
they didn't say a funding formula. They said absolute equality.
And I keep going back to the politicians because I

(46:54):
don't have a degree. I didn't go to law school.
You see what I'm saying. These folks got all kinds
of degrees. You know why they're social climbers, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
So one thing I do want to say, right, just
to put an exclamation point or to finish the conversation
with O. Marshall Bear, is would you acknowledge this as
a true statement. You could take a horse to the well,
but you can't make them drink.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Yes you can. I'm gonna tell you how, okay, how
are these all these young girls shaking they behind because
because they see it all Wait, wait, wait, wait, we're
talking about voting. What I'm saying, if the people who
we want to vote saw the twerking and the and
the and the and the gorillas and all those people,

(47:42):
the same, if the people who we wanted to get
to vote, if we expose that the same the same
way that those behinds and sex, drugs and murder is
sold all the time twenty four to seven. If we
sold voting, if we sold our rights, if we sold
the truth, if that was sold the same way that

(48:03):
all this other mess that makes millions and millions of
dollars use the same formula.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
But I know for well, well, I'm not with the
understand I'm not with the position that you can make
a horse drink if they don't want to do it right.
But what I will say is with I do in
some part agree that if the position, or the narrative
or the information was pushed the same way they push
on the radio. Every other song, you hear a gloveiller

(48:30):
telling you to do X, Y and Z. You turn
on the next day, you see X, Y and Z.
You turn it on YouTube, TikTok ig, Facebook, every other day,
then yeah, you're kind of programmed to do that. I'm
not seeing voting done every other day, every fifteen minutes,
every hour on the hour, every day everywhere. I'm not

(48:51):
seeing that.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
So here's what Omar Seber could do. He could request okay,
funding that's required for him to do his job.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Now, we just got a solution, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Saying I have a million of them, and see what
it is? Base right, I'm just I'm saying all I've
been doing is bringing solutions based on the Constitution to
city council weekend and week out and weekend and week
out and weekend and week out, and they ignore me.
You know why, it's called benign neglect. Ignore the negro,
pay attention to the immigrants, pay attention to somebody who
is illegal, who knows their rights, who don't vote, But

(49:24):
the politicians pay keen attention to those votes. But those
who say the nation who vote, who they keep? Why
did never told the Latinos to vote the way they
told us to vote? Why didn't tell Chinese people to
vote the way they told us to vote? Why didn't
push it down their throat? The Democrats did that. Now
I'm gonna tell what the Republicans did for me. The
Republicans called Obona and said, Obona you want to make

(49:46):
some extra money, you can be a supervisor on voting day.
You have some friends and family that want to make
some money, they can be.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Pole watch Hold on you saying they right?

Speaker 3 (49:57):
They my friends and family whoever? I know that what
that Republicans? No, they can be Democrat or republic No.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
You said you said they, you said Republicans. You said,
let me tell you the Republicans called.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
The Republican Party in Philadelphia. Okay, all right, So I'm
saying I'm a Democrat. Over the years that I've been involved,
going down city council and doing what I do, there's
not been one Democrat that ha said O bona, you
can be a supervisor on your Poe Watcher and you
can get some of your your friends, you know who

(50:27):
may need some extra money this one day. They can
make two hundred dollars. David Oh calling me. I'm just
you spoke about David Old. For the record, if you
look at his record, he's done more for the descendants
of slavery to fight for us than the ones who
are who are American. Friend, this is this fact. I'm
not taking it, which which.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Goes to exactly the point that I just made.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Doing Why aren't the ones who are the descendants of
slavery doing the same work that David is.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
David is Korean, right, But you can't say that none
of them are because I've seen people. I've seen people
out there that are not Republicans actually doing some similar
things like David up like who, like, who did I
see out there? Honestly, when you talk about Isaiah Thomas,
I have seen him out there. We interview. He came

(51:17):
to the show a couple of times as he was
running a few times that he ran a lot of
people thought that he this was the first time he
ran like three four times.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
As the education chair okay, as the education chair and
a descendant of slavery, right, and a legislator okay, And
he knows that the descendant of slavery still have a
mission preference. And I submitted a bill several times at
city Council handed him out that you can see it
on the camera, and the education chair never responded to

(51:49):
let the descendants of slavery who go to school in Philadelphia,
who are seniors, let them know that they have admission preference.
There is absolutely no excuse me, No.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I got that. So so we were going back to that, right,
But so so okay, I can say, all right, someone
didn't do X, Y and z, but they did this, this, this, this, that,
and the other. Two things can be accurate. Two things
can be correct.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Don't we press education? Right?

Speaker 1 (52:16):
But we know what you're going I'm not saying so
out of conversation of education. You asked me what had he.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
But he's an education chair, your education, so anything dealing
with that's his response. So if someone brings him a
bill to deal with his people. Again, let's just say
I was bringing something to a Jewish person that represented
that that that benefited their people. That Jewish person would
snatch it out my hand and do it immediately. Well,

(52:46):
I'm the question needs to be asked. And listen, let
me just say this. I'm not afraid of none of them.
Bring them right here, bring them right here. And I've
been calling for a debate with any of them. And
these are lawmakers who are elected. You know why they
don't want a to bate me because they don't know
the rights of the people who they claim to want
to represent. And they will hear this and they should

(53:09):
want to clear their name. If somebody accused me of
not knowing something and I know it. No, bring it on.
We're gonna have a verses right now. I give you
random for all right.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
So look, we talked weekly after the talk with w
P P M O P Philadelphia one on six point
five film. We talked weekly after the Talk with your
boy Charles Gregor and Beautiful Laws and the beautiful and
beautiful let it yes stop she in the all right,
So so all right and oh yeah, all right, so

(53:41):
I wander Unfortunately that that went. That went longer than
than I expected. And uh, I actually I want to
invite you back to the show. I want to invite
you back to the show. You you are a friend
to the show, and once you come, your friend to
the show. We already had for our next guest, doctor Anna. Na.

(54:02):
I think it's Nisia. No, she said, I was wrong.
She's gonna correct this anyway. I'm sorry. I call you
doctor Williams. Is that okay? Yeah? She said, yeah, that's okay.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
So since I'm welcome to come back, I can call
you all the time. Yeah, I'm not gonna lose connection,
absolutely please don't. We're not. I have I have an assistant,
So I'm gonna, you know, put this at the top
of our list, right media list, because we've got a
lot of stuff that we would we would love to
break it on. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Listen, I'm inviting you to the show. We give everyone
a platform, I guess for for we talk weekly, because
we try our best to stay in the middle. Right,
we give everybody a platform. But but we do say
that we want to be fair, right, and so if
someone does make an accusation, whether it's right or wrong, right,
we still saying, Okay, well, what's the other side of

(54:54):
the coin. Right, if that's what this person is saying. Okay,
let's let's substantiate that. Let's get some facts based on that.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
One thing I will say because I want to give
you your flowers. When I say, people that's actually doing
the work, You are doing the work. You have been
doing the work, and you have been doing this for
a long time. You ran for city council twice. I
know that I know that you have been galvanizing the community.
I know that you have been putting in work. I

(55:23):
know that you have been given your Sneakers program. I
know that you have been giving people who are part
of those vulnerable communities that need just something on their feet.
I know you've been working with the unhoused. I know
that's what I mean about people who have been doing
the work.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Right.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I'm not talking about all of the other things, right,
I'm talking about you truly being that angel for those
who need you. And so that's what I mean about
doing the work. So I just want to give your
flowers and say thank you for that because you have
been supporting our communities or in your terms, the freedmen
who need you.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Absolutely, absolutely, Hey, man.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
It's good to hear that coming from a young board man.
I mean, I don't know, man, I don't know if
you're thirty or what. I ain't no young, but I'm
just saying regardless, I know I got old and hear that. Man,
it's just inspiring for me.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Thank you so much. Thank you for what you're doing.
Please continue doing what you do, and we appreciate you,
my brother. Yes, yes, all right, So I'm sorry, ladies
and gentlemen. That went longer than we expected. But it
was a good conversation, right, Can someone walk him down please? Oh,
Lady Stock gonna take him out. So so, brother, I'll
be in contact with you. Thank you again. Yes, so

(56:40):
we talked after the talk. So guys, and I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, Liberty, Liberty has been in here. Question Yo,
we got him hot, I hear you, Liberty. I'm sorry.
I wasn't able to get any of your questions in
what he's selling isn't wanted it anymore? I got you.
You know, a lot of a lot of uh, a
lot of conversation of people have become to a degree

(57:04):
desensitized when it comes to race talk, right, the whole
idea of identity politics right, which I believe was part
of the problem with Kamala Haris campaign.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
I do feel that, you know, like people like Liberty
who have been watching it's I gotta give them their
flowers because there they have been watching. Right, Liberty, where
are you from? I think you said, la, let me
know where you're from.

Speaker 6 (57:33):
I think Liberty also said that they were a.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Democrat, that they're yeah, they're they're they're Democrat, and uh,
they have been watching. And I'm sorry I wasn't able
to get some of your questions in there. The black
and Latino vote shifted to Trump because of God's like him.
I get it, you know. And Vegas, here you go
let me pull it up so everyone can see it.
So they live in Vegas previously California, and so they're

(57:57):
coming from a different perspective, even from Philadelphia, right, And
so I do want to acknowledge Liberty because they have
a voice. Also, they may be contradicting or contrast to
maybe my position or even someone who we have here,
but they still have a voice and it needs to
be at least given. But I just want to appreciate you, Liberty,

(58:18):
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just preface that the sister she was supposed to come
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issues right the audio. Something was going on. I'm sure
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(01:01:24):
and then my sister, how are you?

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
I'm good?

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
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Can you please tell me how to pronounce your name accurately?

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
Yes? So it's an Anisia Anna Nisia.

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Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
Today? We have Doctor Anana Nicia Williams is a collective
care practitioner and founder of Momology Maternal Wellness Club LLC,
where she supports wellness and maternal child health through culturally
rooted practices. A three time Spalding University graduate, and she
also teaches as an adjunct professor and advocate for community

(01:02:25):
healing and wellness as Paths to Liberation. There's so much
more to this wonderful doctor. So we're going to give
a warm we talk weekly. Welcome to doctor Anana Nisia.
I think I still messed it up, Doctor Williams.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
It's okay, I heard worst. So y'all close.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
Okay, say it one more time for us.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
So if you think about frozen honor when you started
off and then me and then see Anicia.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
Awesome, Okay, got it all right? How are you today?

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
It feels super late, but I'm feeling good. Excited to
be here with you all.

Speaker 6 (01:03:12):
Well, we're happy to have you and we're happy that
there's no technical problems this time around. So we're going
to be able to delve right into all that you're doing.
So tell us what things are you into right now?
Tell us about how you got into wellness and mamology.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
Yes, so my background, I'm a clinical social worker, so
a lot of our work is rooted in social justice.
Early on, I knew I wanted to serve my people
when it comes to that mental and psychological well being.
But what I learned over time is being a mom myself.
There was no space for black women who are wanting

(01:03:52):
to conceive, who are parents to be held through their
journey of parenting. But then I also do some work
around reproductive justice to so supporting Black women when it
comes to their reproductive rights and help and also have
the opportunity to teach in the classroom to social work
students as well.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Oh wow, so what you know?

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
You mentioned the reproductive justice. What are some of your
biggest concerns and you know in this post election error
when it comes to reproductive justice.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
One thing is I am afraid of what we may
lose when it comes to the losing the Biden Harris administration.
So a lot of their administration was focused on maternal health,
focused on Black women when it comes to maternal mortality.
So I am fearful that we're going to lose funding.
I'm fearful that it's going to be harder to get

(01:04:46):
access to the funding when it comes to centering Black
women and their bodies and their choices of being a
parent of not being a parent as well. The other
thing I'm just concerned about is just the deterioration of
our boy mentally, because we are literally walking into a
new president and they do not align with many of

(01:05:08):
our values, and so I worried about how that's going
to impact us navigating the day to day?

Speaker 9 (01:05:13):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
And what what state are you in? If you could
let people.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Know, Yes, so I am in Kentucky, but let me
be clear, I'm in Louisville. Louisville is very different from
the whole state of Kentucky. When you think about it,
they think as country, red state, but Louisville is more urban.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Okay, Okay, So what I guess? How would how are
you planning or is there a plan for the way
you're going to approach you know, reproductive justice going forward?

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Oh? Absolutely, So holding containers for us for black women today.
I got to partner with some really great partners at
the University of Louisville and then a grassroots organization as well,
And so we actually did a wound wellness workshop where
we center black women when it comes to their reproductive
health around pcos, endometriosis, and vibrate. So we learn how

(01:06:08):
to make tectures, bath salts, and then we also learned
about herbal teas and how do you advocate for yourself
in the healthcare system?

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
And you mentioned that you may not know based on
the new presidential leadership that we have, that you may
not know where that leads us. As far as the resources,
what can we do as a unity to try to
I guess prevent the worst of the you know of

(01:06:37):
what that is and to get those resources. What would
you suggest that the American people do, especially people of color.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
I want to encourage us to fund those grassroots organizations
in your communities. I want us to also consider doing
mutual aid, so not necessarily relying on the government and funders.
That we fund each other, we support one another. We
also come back to the table and strategize, and we
be more strategic of not always sharing our plans on

(01:07:08):
social media, but really just having conversations amongst each other
and organizing in a way that can be impactful but
also support our collective care in our initiatives.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
No, listen, I'll jump in there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
I like to sometimes defer to the ladies as it
relates to issues that affects them. Right. One thing that
I wanted to ask you, doctor, is there has been
conversation or after this selection right seeing the results, right,

(01:07:49):
brothers feeling that they have been targeted in the lack
should I say of support for Kamala Harris right or
by way of you know, the sisters villainizing them, or
or feeling like, you know, y'all don't protect or y'all

(01:08:11):
don't do anything, you know, but numbers kind of state
that you know, we came out and we did our
job right, and so some of us feeling like we
kind of you don't deserve an apology here. You know,
we was beat up a lot. So what's should take on?
You know, the the narratives that had circulated before the
election that you know, the brothers wasn't doing their due diligence,

(01:08:35):
or brothers wasn't protecting women, or if they I guess
had a contrasting thought, then you know, they didn't like
they you know, they didn't like her because she was
a woman, or all of these different narratives that I
was hearing as it relates to black men, and it
kind of kind of marginalized us, right, we started to
feel vulnerable to a degree. What's your thoughts on that?

(01:08:57):
Based on in contact, some of the work that you
have been doing, you know what I mean, So what's
your thoughts on it?

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
I think it was intentional to put us against each other, Yes,
that we are divided. Also, when I have conversations with
my lady friends, of making sure that they are aware
that they're not personalizing things and basing it off their
own narrative, and really thinking about how do black men

(01:09:25):
show up that you may not have had a great
experience with them, but like I see the brothers showing up.
And so I actually had the opportunity to organize me
event here in Lolisver, Kentucky, and I actually invited Mike
the poet, and we talked about do you trust black
women and so to have a room full of black
women to hear how black men show up, to hear

(01:09:47):
how they've been organizing getting people out to vote. I
think sometimes we don't create enough spaces where people can
actually see and interact with the opposite sex, especially in
a healthy manner.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Let me give you a round of applause again. Yes, absolutely,
go ahead. I'm sorry, No, you're good.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
But we have to change that narrative. And I hope
that people see that the numbers don't lie. And I
hope that now that you see the numbers, it is
putting a stamp on it that these brothers do show up.
So then how do we keep pulling them into the
space and not lose that momentum? And we have to
just be mindful that we need to make room for

(01:10:25):
them too in the work that we do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
I love that you said that, right, because I had
to reflect a lot after this, right and take a
position of not being angry, but more so that I
don't want to hear anything about the brothers no more.
I don't want to hear anything about the sisters no more.

(01:10:47):
All I want to hear is a our community, our community,
because we have to start. I think this time at
this point is about us getting together and strategizing and
supporting our own And That's where I'm at at this point, right,
because I think there has been a lot of individualism,
you know, as it relates to us, the gender, so

(01:11:10):
to speak. I think we need to start to come
together and say, loosely, all we got is us, and
we need to do to work together that part.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
And a lot of people aren't educated on the history
of Jim Crow's the historical context of like this was
Britain in our history, but that doesn't have to be
what we continue to live out. And so how do
we shape our own narrative with healing, which is why
I'm really big on collective care and people doing their
individual care, so we can really work through what our

(01:11:41):
ancestors went through, generations went through. We can change moving
forward of what it looks like to be in community.

Speaker 6 (01:11:52):
Doctor Williams, what's your perspective on the landscape of abortion
rights as far as with the new election and the
overtime and of role versus weight.

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
So I live in Kentucky, I have changed how I
have that conversation with people and saying we are a
forced birth date, so that means that individuals don't have
a choice if they want to actually become a parent.
What's also missing in that dialogue is sex education because
you don't talk about when you do participate in this act.

(01:12:26):
These are some of the things that could be the outcome.
This is some of the things that may look like
when it comes to being a parent, having to navigate that,
but then holding space for people of what it looks
like to parent. We oftentimes say abstinence, We oftentimes say
you should refrain from that, but we don't allow people
to talk about sexual pleasure and well being, and so

(01:12:49):
there's this misconception of what it actually means to have children.
And then when people get pregnant, it's like, what do
you do with that. At the same time, I believe
in people having the choice and what they choose to do.
What I am afraid of. And I don't know if
you all knew this. Black women have died, especially in Georgia,

(01:13:09):
seeking abortion care, but because they couldn't get the care
that they needed because they had to go out of state,
we lost black women. So then that's impacting this maternal
health that we already see with black women in the
four outcomes.

Speaker 6 (01:13:23):
Now, I don't know if there's a study done or
not in this, and I know that there's a lot
of variable as far as the abortion, as far as
a woman myself on and even people that I know
family members on why people get abort women get abortions
such as sometimes age rape incests. But do you believe

(01:13:44):
that financial barriers play even a larger role than that
in fact, on people on the whole reproductive you know,
care or abortion.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Yeah, So what the data does tell us is that
most people who are seeking abortions are already parents, so
they're they're they're having this decision that they have to
make of financially, could I really bring another child into
this world. We also don't give enough education on contraceptives
and how to use them properly. But what we're seeing

(01:14:14):
also with individuals seeking abortion care is what if my
body cannot follow through with this pregnancy, so I'm at
risk of dying, and so I'm choosing to have an abortion.
So there's there's many different factors as far as the
pregnancy not being viable. People are being forced to follow
through and carry that child through, even though they may

(01:14:37):
have learned that that child may have fetal abnormalties as well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Doctor, I have a question for you, what would you
say to a young lady who, understanding context, understanding where
we are now with what the President said about abortion
right in their position on it right, what would you
say to a young lady who is now very scared

(01:15:10):
right moving forward with the possibility or maybe someone who
is pregnant now right, What would you say to someone
now if they are feeling that maybe this isn't where
they would like to go and need or would like to,
you know, get a procedure done. What would you tell

(01:15:30):
this young lady now?

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
So for the individual who is not pregnant but it's fearful,
what I would tell them is to really educate themselves
and really understand their choice. Also really understand do you
want to be a parent and what that all entails,
even if you do choose to have sex, being mindful
of what the risk and outcomes could be, and so

(01:15:54):
also being aware of maybe I should go take some
sex education classes, Maybe I should be educated on what
do plan bs do and how do they work? As well,
I should probably be talking to my obgyn and just
talking about what are my plans for later on when
it comes to my reproductive future for the individual who
is pregnant, I will say, abortions are still happening in

(01:16:18):
certain states. What makes it hard is getting to those states,
the funding, the travel, having the support. We are also
now fearful because they are trying to criminalize people who
are seeking abortions and even looking at people who support
those individuals to criminalize them too, And so you really

(01:16:38):
have to be mindful of doing things. It's almost like
we're going underground now because we have to be so
protective of what this looks like and being able to
access healthcare.

Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
Wow, can you tell us more about momology and what
services do you provide?

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Is mammology and how do you say that mammology momology Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Yes, So I'm a private practice. I mostly see individuals
on one on one level, but also what I've been
doing more is group support and then doing these collective
care containers. So what I realized in working with individuals
one on one is a lot of people feel isolated.
A lot of people feel as if I'm the only
one they're seeking connection, and they're also wanting to build

(01:17:30):
sisterhood and community. So being more intentional of carving out
those spaces where they can connect with other women, particularly
black women too. And I've also been going the holistic
route of inviting in other practitioners. So I may invite
our herbalists, I may invite someone who does yoga so
we can move our body. I may invite someone as

(01:17:53):
well that is a spiritual practitioner too, So inviting people
in to see there's multiple layers when it comes to
your healing. That therapy doesn't have to be that one way,
in that one route to your healing journey or just
your overall wellness.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Yeah, I think you said some I was gonna ask
a question that I think you just answered, because it
says clinical background to curate therapeutic spaces rooted in cultural
and ancestral practices. Can you expand upon that?

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Yeah, So while I serve everyone, I primarily serve black women.
My research was around sister circles, and so sister circles
is where I may be the one who is the facilitator,
but I get to participate in this group. It's led
by all of us. We pick a certain topic and
we're learning from one another, but we create a safe space.

(01:18:47):
We also ensure that when it comes to our culture,
we're gonna have food involved. We're also gonna have childcare
involved as well, so if people don't feel that strain
of I can't participate because I have children. We're also
going to do things when it comes to going back
to the roots. We may be outside, we may be
out in the grass really connecting with the earth. We

(01:19:08):
also may be incorporating herbs as well, and so allowing
people to understand what else is good when it comes
to your overall well being, like with teas and teachers.
And then we also are doing things of really understanding
where we come from. Our people have always taken care
of one another, So getting back to that collective care too,

(01:19:29):
in that village mentality.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
DOC, you have to answer this for me. Please explain this.
A three time Spaulding University graduate earning her bachelor's ARNT Psychology,
Masters of Social Work, Doctor social Work, specializing on leadership.
You come on, come on, come on, olthough, let me
give you randoms plus real quick. She's so that's that's

(01:19:56):
a mouthful. That's a mouthful, right, So what led you
in that direction to continue to get a background and
then go back and get more of a background and
extrapulate on that and develop more of a background. What
pushed you to do that?

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
I would say my family. So I've always reflected on
what I did not have access to. You. So, even
if my parents couldn't give me the knowledge and pass
things down, they always put me into spaces of being
able to learn from others. And the more I learned,
the more I just crave the knowledge. And then it
just kept going up, like, well, let's see if I

(01:20:37):
can go to the next level, and let's see if
I can go to the next level. And it just happened.
And I mean, I love learning, but I also take
what I learned and then bring it back to community
and so utilizing the tool of education to also help
my people.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
I love that. So that said, I want to let's
talk about mom and dad. If you have any siblings,
did they do they have a background like yours or
did they encourage you know what? Okay, she said no not.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
They know I'm going to tell this story. But my
grandmother will remind them of when I was younger. She said,
I came into her house and I said, my parents
need help. I'm gonna be a therapist. So you know,
growing up growing up in my environment that was chaotic,
and you know, I can have this candid conversation with
my parents now now. I learned a lot of what

(01:21:32):
not to do. And they also thought because I was silent,
I wasn't remembering and I didn't know what was going on.
So I just knew like something wasn't right. And then
once I got into these spaces and that I was
making the connections. It also helped me understand my family
and human behavior.

Speaker 6 (01:21:50):
Wow, what, doctor, what could you tell the men out
there that when a woman that is pregnant and you know,
she's going through different hormonal changes, or she just has
the baby and she's going through postpartum and things like that,
what could you tell the couple as a whole different
advice that will help them during their journey.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
So for the couple, I want to allow them to
give themselves grace and no pregnancy is the same, so
even if they have previous children, to patients with one another.
As for the man, I also want to encourage him
to insert himself because oftentimes in the spaces they don't

(01:22:31):
have conversations with the man when they're going to the
checkups and appointment. So ensure that he is engaged, he's
asking questions, but also the woman allowing you know them
to reflect back and say, oh, my man, my husband
direct this to him as well, so that they also
see that they are a unit and they're navigating in

(01:22:52):
that way, especially if someone decides that they are going
to birth in a hospital. The other thing is you
got to communicate. You got to talk about what's our
birthing plan, what are our expectations. People have hopes and
dreams when it comes to parenting, but most times I've
noticed they're not aligned when it comes to what this
is supposed to look like. And so oftentimes once a
baby comes, you see some separation because you know, mom

(01:23:16):
may be bonding with baby too much. The partner may
feel like I'm not getting enough attention. But how do
you steal carve out space to be intimate with one another,
go on dates and carve out time, ask for what
you need.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
I didn't mean to cut you off, but you said
something that made me think, what if? Because we have
you know, a number of friends that went through even postpartum, right,
and so in the case of that, how do you
then support you know, not only the mother, but also

(01:23:53):
address the gentleman who has to support that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
Yeah, So, so men feelings too, and hold.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
On one second, one second, hold on, hold on, late, late,
can you just say that, hold on, let me make
sure that, let me I just want to you can
say that one more time.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
So men have feelings too.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Ladies and gentlemen. Look, we're gonna get around the applause
because we just want to make sure that the world
just heard the doctor say that herself. Go ahead, I'm sorry, sister,
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
So no, but to that point, men have to practice
articulating their feelings as well and also recognizing how they communicate.
So that's what I mean it. It is literally a partnership,
and so understanding each other's communication style. Do I need
to take a step back? Do I do better if
I got to write things down and that's how I

(01:24:46):
communicate with you. But then oftentimes what happens is people
suppress their feelings and then it comes out and their behavior,
and then you see all of these things happening within
the relationship that is impacting them. Then also impacting them
being able to raise this child. I encourage men to
have a space for themselves. And so while you are

(01:25:08):
in a relationship or you're partnering with this person.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Hold on, hold on, you encourage what just just want to.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
Make sure men, you need a space for yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Hold on one more time. Let me make sure the
screen is up so everybody can see that. Then you
go one more time, dot men.

Speaker 4 (01:25:23):
Need a space for themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
There you go around the applause for that. Are you
can finish your thought. I'm sorry, I just wanted to
make sure well.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
But also men welcoming being vulnerable with themselves and then
other me and too, and so even if it's one
other bru that you can connect with, y'all can talk
about all the things. Or even if you have to
seek professional help of where you have somebody navigating that
with you and guiding you through. Don't be afraid to

(01:25:53):
do that. It's gonna make you better as an individual,
and you're gonna show up better in your relationships too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
And that's what they need to hear. Because men don't talk,
so even if they do, we know they have feelings.
But they have to express their feelings. And if they
don't talk about it and don't tell us, then we
don't know. And they can't be too embarrassed to have
a conversation with a friend of theirs or a therapist.

(01:26:19):
They need to be able to express that. And by
doing that, I especially like when they do it with
a fellow friend because oftentimes they find out that they're
not alone, that they're not the only one experience and
the same thing. And they need to have that like that,
that cluster of people to know that they it's someone

(01:26:39):
else like them.

Speaker 5 (01:26:40):
And it's not just them.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
Yeah, so I'm gonna put it back on us. We
may need to ask the question to men of what
helps you feel safe?

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Hold up? Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, let me
hold on, let me pull you back up.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
Ladies, ask these men what helps them feel safe. What
environment can we help create where they feel like they
can talk to us as well?

Speaker 6 (01:27:11):
Absolutely? Also, doctor, I heard when you said about the
difference of birthing, So now you know it's not like
how it was even fifteen years ago, where you I
think a law was just passed that even people that
are on state assistance like Medicaid, they can have a doula.

(01:27:32):
So there's different ways to have birth.

Speaker 7 (01:27:36):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:27:36):
You can do birthing centers, you can have a midwife,
you can have a doula, you can you know, traditional hospitals.
Even some women don't want their placenta disposed of and
you sign a form now and they can send you
home with it. Give us more insight to people who
may not know what those resources that they have available

(01:27:59):
and what those resources include.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
Yeah, so like you said, individuals who are on insurance medicate.
Some insurance providers do offer doulas. What I also want
to encoreage y'all, when you're having these baby showers, maybe
ask for a doula. Ask for the people who are
coming to your baby shower to help support you having
a doula. It's really important because doulas provide that emotional support,

(01:28:27):
especially in that postpartum stage. You may have somebody helping
you with breastfeeding, helping you with things around the house,
helping you in regards to understanding your body and how
it heals during the pregnancy stage. They can come with
you to those appointments. They could be your advocate. If
something may be going disarray and that mother and that

(01:28:48):
father is so concentrated on the birth, the doula is
there to help to ensure that things can go right,
to ensure that these parents are being heard when it
comes to their birthing plan too. The other thing I
want to uplift is midwives. Midwives are also important so
they can help actually deliver the babies. I want to
encourage you to be mindful based off of where you live.

(01:29:11):
If you can access a midwife, then the cost of
that as well. That's another thing to add to your
baby shower list. And lactation support to you, so get
in support with breastfeeding. I tell everybody you should probably
have each one a doulah, a midwife, a lactation support,
a therapist on call so that you can really help

(01:29:31):
support like your overall well being, especially if you are
a black woman. Pregnant and birthing here in America. You
need those people.

Speaker 6 (01:29:41):
And they don't call it Lama's class anymore, right, I
think it's just called like birth in class that you
can attend to show how to properly breathe, then you
know when the time comes. But just when you mentioned
the doula, just so that people are watching dulas do
they don't. They don't del the child. They're there to

(01:30:01):
support you. So, like you said, there are women for
whatever reason that may be single giving birth to a
child and don't have that support, don't have that village.
They can inquire about adula to give them that support
that they may need.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
And now I've been seeing some black men come through
you and they're becoming doulasts as well, to ensure that,
you know, black women are being safe when they're bringing
these babies into the world. So shout out to the
black men that are leading that leading that movement and
also showing up for black women.

Speaker 5 (01:30:33):
They just by.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
I just I just want to thank you for coming
on to the show. I do want to know real
quick though, what's the where do you go from here?
Because you're so well read, you're so well educated, right,
you have so much knowledge behind you. But where do
you go from here? I feel like you're already there, Like,

(01:30:59):
what's the next move for doctor a Anesia?

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
Yeah, so you bring your people with you. You keep
reaching back, and you know, I have mentors that have
soared way beyond where I want to be at, and
so I'm being pulled along as well. And so I
just keep bringing the folks along with me, and you know,
we're gonna disrupt and shake some stuff up. Keep doing

(01:31:25):
the thing when it comes to taking care of our community.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
I know that's listen, We're definitely here for the disruption.
That's what we talk weekly does and we all right
with it. So that said, sister, what's the legacy you
want to leave? Like, if I was to ask you,
what's the legacy that you would like to leave, what
would you tell me?

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
That's a great question. Before I got on this call,
my daughter said, I'm proud of you because I told
her I was about to get on this call. So
long as she's proud of me. But then also I
want the community to know that I showed up. I
want the community to feel like we was in this together.
I never want to feel like this is isolated work,

(01:32:08):
and so I want to stay rooted in community. That's
that's my legacy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
I love it. Well, they gonna know now, they're gonna
learn today, and so because of that, I want you
to let everyone know how to get in contact with you,
how they go find you, all that good old stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
So I'm on Instagram, everybody. I am under the Wound
Therapist so t H E W O M B t
H E R A P I S T. Also, if
you are in Kentucky and you are looking for a
mental health provider, you can go to my website www
dot mammology MW club dot com and then I'm on

(01:32:48):
LinkedIn too. So, doctor ani Eca Williams.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
I love that real quick because I think someone asks
the question. You mentioned a couple of terms. I think
you said a lactation specialists.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
What what is that?

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
And what is the difference between a midwife and what's
the other adula? Can you just kind of expound on
some of that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
Yeah, So a lactation specialist is someone that helps with
your boots. They help you understand of how you allow
the baby to latch on. They give you the education
as far as breast tenderness what that may look like.
Also that postpartum stage of helping you figure out when
it's time to wean baby off. They give you the

(01:33:29):
education of when it comes to postpartum. Sometimes we can
have depression, so helping you breastfeed can also help relieve
some of those depression symptoms. A doula is that emotional
support for mama and daddy too, so ensuring that they
are understanding what mama and dad need, ensuring that they

(01:33:50):
understand what is the birthing plan. They can do anything
as far as maybe assisting with your meals. You just
have to ask them the questions of what they're trained in.
Sometimes doulas are also lactation specialists as well. They also
may be able to help you when it comes to
figuring out what is your choice when it comes to
bringing your baby into this world. You know, do you

(01:34:11):
want your placenta, what does it look like in regards
to the shots and things that you want for your baby.
A midwife I always tell people to make the distinction.
Midwife is there to ensure this baby comes into the
world healthy and so they can actually deliver the baby.
They can do pretty much what the OBI can do.
As well. Do your research though and see what's best

(01:34:34):
for you because unfortunately, what I've learned and working with
black women, some did not qualify for a midwife because
they were considered high risk. So you have to be
understanding of what's going on with your body and also
knowing what's the best fit for you to interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
So the difference between midwife and doulah is the midwife
can help you deliver yesh, got you? Okay? Interesting?

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Cool? Well, thank you for the information, thank you for
enlightening us, Thank you for giving all that good old stuff,
and you continue to do what you do one more time.
How can they get in contact with you and find
out all that goottle stuff? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:35:14):
Yeah, so follow me on Instagram the womb Therapist and
then also LinkedIn doctor A E. C. Williams and then
www dot MAMMALOGMW club dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Fantastic, fantastic. Well there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
We talked week these after the talk with WPP MLP
Philadelphia one O six point five FM. We talked week
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Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
So I don't want you guys to go anywhere. Thank
you so much, doctor, And uh, one thing we say
on the show is once you come to the show,
you're a friend to the show. So you're always welcome
to come back. And I think you have some great
information that we want to bring you back as someone
that's one of our specialists when we're talking about, you know,
just just the support of our sisters, because I like

(01:36:11):
that you specialize in that one because for me, moving forward,
we need to be worried about our community together, you know,
and stop being on this one side against another side,
and we need to start talking about community right And
so that's where I'm at at this point. So I
just want to thank you for coming in. You're invited
to come back whenever you please.

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
You're quite welcome. You're quite welcome, all right, y'all. So
don't go nowhere. Let me come. Let me find this bad.
You know, we gotta get bad. We gotta get better
on this because I need to find out how we
can get back on a Uh. I'm sorry, Doc, I'm
talking to you as we go through this to this.
Uh here we go be right here, all right, so
do I'm going nowhere. We'll be right back after this, y'all.
We talk weeklies after the talk. We'll be right back.

Speaker 10 (01:36:57):
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So I know majority of the world knows this by now.
That Donald Trump has won the twenty twenty four presidential election,

(01:40:04):
he secured a second term in the White House over
Vice President Kamala Harris. Now, for a president to have
a second term is one thing. For a president to
win as forty five and come back as forty seven,
that is that's another. So, although Trump is facing multiple

(01:40:25):
legal charges and will be the first president to take
office while several criminal charges against him are pending, the
American people still voted for him. The charges are election interference,
classified documents, a classified documents case, a New York fraud case,

(01:40:46):
and then a hush Mommy hush money payments case. So
Trump has pleaded not guilty to all the charges that
are against him. Trump said to his supporters tonight, we've
proven that no obstacle is too great to overcome when
the American people want change. On the other hand, Kamala
Harris campaigned very fiercely, rallying the Democratic base and advocating

(01:41:12):
for unity. Now, granted, Harris didn't appear to deliver her
concession speech the night of her laws, but she did
deliver it the next day. But her supporters did question
that she stated in her speech. While I concede this election,
I do not concede the fight that fueled this campaign,
the fight for freedom, for opportunity, for fairness, and the

(01:41:36):
dignity of all people. I want to ask that we
talk weekly family. What do you all think and your
thoughts about this election?

Speaker 5 (01:41:50):
Sism y'all don't want to hear what I got to say.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Deep She just slid the mic over to I think
the country is not ready for a woman president. He
lost to Hillary. I mean, he beat Hillary, he beat Kamala,
but he lost to Biden. And I feel like if
any woman ran against RAMC Donald, ramagn will be president.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
But I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:42:19):
I think when I said that, Daryl was here and
he said, well, they got prime ministers that are women
other everywhere else, I said, but not in the US.
My sentiments on this is one we the American people
are tired of the crazy prices that inflation.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
But why is this election.

Speaker 6 (01:42:42):
Like the first week after all your bills are paid.
It's the first of the month, right. The election was
on November fifth, So by the time this election come
people bank accounts ain't feeled like they would be if
it was on another day, you know what I'm saying.
So what I mean is that everybody didn't pay their
bills and shopping paid they first of the month stuff,

(01:43:02):
and now you're telling them to vote. The timing to
me aligning that with the American people already upset about
what inflation looks like and now looking at their accounts,
they're like, you know, we want change. And the biggest
thing I think is that the Biden administration has been
in there for four years. Four years, and now you're

(01:43:25):
telling me, Okay, this is what we're going to change.
Why didn't that change come prior? I would have appreciated
as a person as the party of a Democrat, I
would have appreciated them taking accountability on the things that
they feel like we're messed up and what they could

(01:43:46):
have done better. That is how they would have to me,
got more of and not those swing states where people
who were once Democrat to turn red versus blue, to
let them know we did do this and this is
why this is the outcome. But here's what we're gonna
do better. I think that this was really like a

(01:44:06):
Saturday Night Live on both opponents just talking about people's
character all right, Sizzil, what's your what's your thing?

Speaker 7 (01:44:17):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
You know, I'm gonna talk for Minica, got you sure?

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
Yea?

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
So let uh and and I will say this, I
do agree with Stacy. I just feel like this election
showed just how sexist and racist America is. Darryl did say,
we do have there are women presidents and other countries,

(01:44:52):
but America is sexist and racist. I feel like, uh,
as far as the campaign, I feel like Kambla Harris
VP Kambla Harris did a phenomenal job with her campaign
and the small amount of time that she did have.

(01:45:12):
In the small amount of time that she did have,
I feel like the Democrats could have done a lot
better even when it led up to the transition of her.
And you know, people are blaming Biden and and people
are blaming the elites, which basically I just kind of

(01:45:37):
feel like we could. I could literally Monday Monday morning
quarterback this all day. But I think at at at
the end of the day, you cannot leave out the
fact that the Trump campaign they they they led a
massive disinformation social media mill. And when I tell you,

(01:46:02):
it was massive on so many different levels, so many
different social media platforms that that a lot of millions
of Americans felt for that, and I could see how
so many of them were swayed, even to the point
where it's like you put all of the issues all

(01:46:22):
on the one party, no matter who's running, even in
the House, to send it and all that you're going
to be turned off to Democrats based on the massive
information and misinformation and disinformation mill that they ran this
whole campaign. What I'm seeing, I think now the important

(01:46:43):
thing is that people need to focus on what's about
to happen, and that's what people are starting to do
now because now you know, even when you look at
Google trends, the trend now is to look up what
are Trump tars? What are uh what is Project twenty
twenty five and all this stuff. And by the way,

(01:47:05):
Republicans have come out saying that Project twenty twenty five
was the agenda the whole time. So now that now
that Donald Trump is the president, I yes, now that
now that Donald Donald Trump is the president of the
elect he has come out and said that this is
not him, but Republicans are Republicans are saying that this

(01:47:30):
was the agenda the whole time, So they need to
look at what life is going to be like now
that we are headed towards Project twenty twenty five. And
then you know, the Biden administration did have the Inflation
Reduction Act, so inflation was kind of slowing down a
little bit, but it's going to shift back because now

(01:47:52):
you know, companies are expecting these retaliatory tariffs and they're
already beginning to raise their prices. They're already talking about,
you know, passing it because tariffs lead to inflation. Economists
have said how bad this was, but mainstream media did
not cover it, and now they're starting to say like, oh,

(01:48:16):
you know, the these are what tariffs are, this is
what this does, and da da da, when all that
stuff should have been covered months ago, and people are
starting to basically talk about that now now. Even when
it comes to the deporting the fifteen to twenty million
people that they're planning to deport, these undocumented immigrants have

(01:48:40):
jobs here. Some of them work in agriculture, they work infarming,
they work in food prep, manufacturing, the delivery jobs, the drivers,
all that stuff. So when they are deported, or even
the ones that flee because they are in fear of
being deported, even those ones. Then there becomes a shortage,

(01:49:03):
like for example, farming, there's a shortage of food and
all that. So what happens then, So then you know,
not even to mention how detrimental Project twenty twenty five
is going to be for Black America. So these are
the things that we really got to get ready for.
And you know it is common, it's coming. You know,

(01:49:27):
the elimination of civil rights is freaking crazy. It's crazy.
Is it's about to go down. Law enforcement, immunity, the
death penalty. They want to expand that to include reco charges.
In Projects twenty twenty twenty five, there are they're already

(01:49:50):
talking about, let's go ahead with the execution of the
forty four federal prisoners. That's a win. The death penalty,
the awaiting execution, what they're going to do to the
Department of Education that affects our public schools and our

(01:50:10):
charter schools. I kind of feel like those tactics are
like scare tactics. It's like, if we put these things
in place, it will say die before it happens. They're
already doing that. It's the idea is for it to
stop crime before it happens. So if we make people
think even reco will give you death penalty. They won't

(01:50:31):
do it.

Speaker 5 (01:50:32):
It's like make an example out of one, everybody else
will or will chill.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Yeah, just that doesn't work though.

Speaker 5 (01:50:40):
Well then everybody will just we go charge to everybody
will just die.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Yeah, that's why.

Speaker 5 (01:50:44):
I mean, it's one of the other.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
But that's why a lot of people are fighting to
abolish the death penalty because they know that it's not
a deterrent to crime. But I'm telling you right now,
a lot of the stuff that's happening in Project twenty
twenty is being implemented right now. A lot of the stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
So this is what.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
Americans need to brace themselves for.

Speaker 5 (01:51:11):
Who wrote it?

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Who Projects twenty twenty five? It was written. There's a
lot of people that actually wrote Project twenty twenty five.
The Trump claims they have nothing to do with it,
and that's a fact. He has nothing to do with
Project twenty twenty five as far as writing it. But
a lot of the writers in it, he has worked
with them. He has had them in positions before the

(01:51:37):
Heritage Foundation. They have spent over twenty million dollars putting
Projects twenty twenty five together since twenty twenty two, So
I know, rich people don't waste money. There's no way
that they've made all of this and that they're just
gonna not do any of this stuff away. And it's

(01:52:02):
it's almost nearly a thousand pages, so you know, it's
maybe maybe some stuff in it that he doesn't use,
and it may be some stuff that he does, and
I'm just praying that you know, he doesn't use that,
but it's not a policy that he wrote himself as
a conservative, a conservative policy. They've pitched it to him.

(01:52:24):
I know Ben Carson wrote part of it, and so
many different people that wrote a lot of it. And
all I'm gonna say is we're gonna see.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
Yeah, we're gonna see. The one thing I do want
to say is if we're always talking or the Democratic
Party was talking about this whole misinformation campaign, right that
he did and all of the misinformation that Trump been spewing,
the fake news and all of that, right, we have
to acknowledge that the some of the talking points that
the Democratic Party was saying was that that was twenty

(01:53:00):
five was his policy and it just wasn't. The Heritage
Foundation though conservative, and those some of the stuff that
he may do may be really closed to Project twenty
twenty five, but it wasn't his policy. So we have
to be clear when we're talking about all this misinformation
not to use those same talking points.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
Because that's already been fact checked that that it was
not a policy written by him.

Speaker 1 (01:53:26):
Right, So that's what I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying,
So is that's a full stop. So if it is
a full stop, if it's not his, that's not his.
I can I can take I can create a policy
and take some stuff from there, some stuff from here
and be like, Yo, this is what I do. That's
not necessarily that's not my it's not my policy. I

(01:53:47):
just kind of took some stuff. Right, So if he
had something that sounds similar, all right, cool. But the
talking point from day one has been yeah, y'all need
to be scared of Project twenty five because Donald They
was putting those two names in the same segence.

Speaker 7 (01:54:04):
And that was wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
But they're saying because it's it, they created it for
him to use.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
You know, Project twenty twenty five was in place before
he even was thinking about running.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
He's been thinking about running.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
No, I'm talking about Well, then if that's the case
project twenty twenty five, I believe been out in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
And that was the argument because because he kept saying
he had nothing to do with it, they say, yeah,
but your name is all through his name is.

Speaker 5 (01:54:30):
In it, like three hundred five hundred times.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
I said yeah. And so so the point is is
if I write a policy and say hey, like you're
you're going to be active president or the assumption is
potentially you be president. So I'm going to address this
to you because.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
I want you to see where we are, right, So
aside from that, then what else aside from what aside
from your you know, Trump not this not a policy
that he's.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
No, no, no, so I'm talking I know. I just
wanted to make sure that that was clear if we're
talking about misinformation already, when I started.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
To clarified that part that this is not a policy
that was.

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
Written so we can move forward. Cool, cool, So I
just wanted to make sure that that was understanding, because
that was misinformation.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
So so the point not everybody was saying that. Not
everybody was saying that that was one.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
Of the biggest talking points of the nations.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
Everybody was saying that it was written by him.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
No, not no, they didn't say it was written. They
said that that was his policy. They never said that
he wrote it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
Okay, well not everybody was saying that. Okay, all right,
Well you can speak for everybody in America that was
saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
Tons of so we can say that on the other
side too. So the point that I'm making is that
was a huge talking point. That was misinformation. That's all
I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:55:59):
Go to your next day.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
So the next one is I think the problem for
me was I don't know if they can see that.
Can they see this?

Speaker 3 (01:56:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
So we have we have right, the this this most
important issues pull right, four percent foreign policy, eleven percent immigration,
fourteen percent abortion.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
And wait, what's this again?

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
This is the NBC News exit pool. This was the
most important issues of the nation, right, This was from NBC.
So in looking at this, one of the biggest problems
that I seen with the Democratic Party and a lot
of the talking points in the what I'm campaigning on.

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She didn't start Kamala, right, which I don't so I
want to be clear that this wasn't Kamala's initiative. I'm
sure she was giving this strategy. So I think everyone
was blaming Kamala. Oh, she's not doing this, She's she's
on the representation. Yes, only the representation. That's it. So

(01:57:06):
I always blame the strategists of the Democratic Party. So
I think they dropped the ball, not Kamala Harris. Right.
So if I'm looking at this this pie chart, literally
they ran on abortion as a number one issue. That's

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not what the American citizens were talking about. Was the
issue that they all that most of the nation was
having an issue with. Right. So I'm like, okay, well,
if you see what the American people are saying our issues,
how come you wouldn't lead with that. So I think

(01:57:47):
that's where they dropped the ball, not saying abortion right.
Reproductive rights aren't important because when we talked about Roe v. Wade,
they just like, how would you only want to get
into the house. How arrogant and dismissive? That was right
to do something like that. However, when we talk about

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what the nation concerns are, the first thing you should
have went through was the economy that's thirty well, actually
the state of democracy that's say thirty six percent. Secondly
should have been economy and then reproductive rights. So when
you talk about strategy. I think that their whole strategic

(01:58:29):
game was off. I think also when it comes to
to how we how we consider what information the analysts, right,
all of the people who have all of this information,
they know certain things, right, how how can you understand

(01:58:56):
that n not that not that big. I'll get, but
at least sixty five percent aren't academics. Sixty five percent
of the nation aren't academics. So when you talk about
this is fake news and this statistics say, people don't
care about that liacy.

Speaker 5 (01:59:15):
Yes, it's mediately.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
They don't care about that. It's about what can I
identify that relates or affect me? Misinformation I don't care about.
I don't want to know what's gonna affect what's gonna
put money in my pocket? They don't care about. Oh well,
Donald Trump was a felon, and mister, they don't. People

(01:59:37):
don't care, especially when a lot of people who look
like me are felons. So the run on the talking
point of Donald Trump is a felon is it's the
It was men that was looking like, you know, I'm
a feeling in your da that don't sound right. And
then it was the the vision that this created the

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point in the fingers, the academics talking, and these are
these people are uninformed, and this, that and the other.
This whole thing was a cluster bunch of nonsense that
could have been prevented if all they did was stick
to the facts. Last point for you to give because
Kamala don't write her speeches. She may give some input,

(02:00:27):
but you have a speech. They give her speech writer
who had the bright idea to every sentence that you
talk about, you have to mention Trump in any debate.
They say, you're not even supposed to do that. Every
time she mentioned something, she'll say some of the stuff
she doing, But it's better than Trump. You'll keep his

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name out your freaking mouth, not as much.

Speaker 3 (02:00:55):
As Kamala did.

Speaker 5 (02:00:56):
They I complained about that during the debate. I was like,
it was too much. I didn't like.

Speaker 1 (02:01:00):
It was way too much.

Speaker 3 (02:01:01):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (02:01:01):
I didn't like it at all. I'm like, if she
like sh you just as bad as he is. Just
just say what you're saying exactly referring to him, but like,
just just do what you need to do. So that
was too much, and I think that I think people
like stability, right.

Speaker 5 (02:01:14):
It's like I need to see you staying in tent
toals to all like, I like, we know what's going on,
we know what's happening. You went from Biden over.

Speaker 2 (02:01:19):
Here shaky fall asleep, not really knowing, saying he old this,
that and the other, and so okay, I'm gonna step down,
We're gonna push her up here. And then she only
had three months. So it's like, it's too much confusion
over here. People like, let me just go over here
where they felt like they knew stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
Was just stable exactly exactly.

Speaker 5 (02:01:33):
It's like too much going on over here.

Speaker 1 (02:01:35):
And so that was one of the issues that I've
really had, the fact that she like they kept right
in in all of her narratives. Then she started to
take it and yeah, but Donald Trump, it's like, yo,
I don't even I mean it's character man, like I
I mean, I got my own views on that because
I didn't vote for him. So I I literally was like,

(02:01:55):
why if you are saying all of this stuff about him,
just leave his name, tell us what you want to do,
because you tell all you doing this give them free
promotion at that, like every time you mentioned them, ding
ding ding ding ding. Oh you thinking about me that much? Cool. Right,
So when we talk about all of the things that

(02:02:16):
went wrong, it's her. It was the strategy.

Speaker 3 (02:02:19):
They They just.

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
Completely and continuously kept dropping the ball when it comes
when it came to that. And so when when I
didn't want to talk about the entertainment, I think that
they heavily. I didn't hear you. They didn't. I don't
think they heard you. So I think the problem with that,
think entertainment. I think the problem with that is you

(02:02:42):
didn't need it. And so a lot of people thought
that now you're pandering.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
That that was the word I was going to use
because I personally did not like the pandering in Philadelphia
because the Democratic Party decided to use their money and
their funds to spend it on.

Speaker 5 (02:02:58):
DJ's at the polling places.

Speaker 2 (02:02:59):
And now you're want we'll ever seen beniecgu and Freeway
doing a whole bunch of political stuff, but you're giving
them checks to come out and do politics, like really, no,
And what I didn't like about, oh yeah, we wouldn't
put we early voting over at at the Pope's. Oh
the Pope's really so, y'all figure y'all can biased with
hip hop and fried chicken.

Speaker 5 (02:03:17):
I wasn't with it. It wasn't cool, not to me.

Speaker 1 (02:03:19):
It wasn't.

Speaker 4 (02:03:23):
What.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
But guess what, But guess what. People gonna do what
they're gonna do. Regardless, people came out to the little concerts,
got their.

Speaker 5 (02:03:31):
Little groogle, got the little free food, and went home.
They didn't make them vote.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
They got the votes.

Speaker 6 (02:03:37):
If you look at the numbers, Pennsylvania or Philadelphia, they
got those numbers.

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
We got one numbers. We lost.

Speaker 5 (02:03:44):
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 6 (02:03:45):
I'm saying, basically, I agree with you. I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that I did not like the panda, and
I didn't like I think people were in line and
they were about to leave, and then they come up
with celebrities on the laptop, and then celebrities are talking
to you're telling you not to leave, Like, when does
the celebrity tell you about voting about policies. I'm saying
that their strategic way of pandering worked.

Speaker 1 (02:04:09):
No, I'm saying, how are you qualifying it worked? That's right.

Speaker 6 (02:04:12):
I'm saying that it worked because it wasn't the black women.

Speaker 5 (02:04:16):
It wasn't right.

Speaker 6 (02:04:16):
It wasn't the black women's vote. That didn't work. The
Democrat worked far as the way they strategized it, and
it's like low hanging fruit. Why did we take the
low hanging fruit? They pandered to the black votes, and
they got.

Speaker 1 (02:04:30):
The black votes, by the by the what I'm saying
by pandering, So you so you're saying that they got
the votes because they were doing all these parties.

Speaker 6 (02:04:41):
And they were pondering.

Speaker 3 (02:04:43):
Right.

Speaker 6 (02:04:43):
Yes, I'm saying that the American people chose who who won,
and a lot of what you're saying as far as
what is the reason he won is why? But I'm
saying that the Democrats, after they've done and they've rallied
up all their numbers, they're like, oh, we should there
probably pander to the latinos because that's where the vote
came from, the Latino men. But we focused on the

(02:05:05):
black people and we got their votes, but their votes
wasn't enough.

Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
I don't I honestly think that black people voted for
COMMLA because we were supporting COMMA. I don't. I think
because because honestly, honestly, I think like the conversation that
we had with who was it the interview that we
just did black people, just black people, especially men. We

(02:05:31):
came out. Most most of the people who were there
as as as I'm talking about the men specifically, right,
most of the men who came out the vote didn't
come out because Beyonce was out there, nor Megan and Stallion,
all of the we didn't come.

Speaker 6 (02:05:47):
We went from not for the But if you're not
hearing her policies, and she's talking about like Vice President
looks over the the the immigration, she's a charge of
the immigration.

Speaker 10 (02:06:01):
Right.

Speaker 6 (02:06:01):
At one point, they were to prevent human trafficking. They
were DNAs that they had to do in order for
the DNAs. Here's a child, here's a here's an adult.
You can't get this child unless you have a DNA.
She took that away. They even asked her, they said,
when did you come down to the for immigration? She's like,
have you been to London? Like I've never been there.

(02:06:24):
She's never gone down there. I'm saying that if the
American people have seen that there's policies that she hasn't done,
or they're not really agreeing anymore with the Biden administration,
then why did the black people vote for her? If
they're just following the Biden administration. So you're voting just
to be a Democrat. You're saying that they're pretty much yeah, okay,

(02:06:47):
so then you're the pandering worked in my opinion, like
you know what I'm saying, it's like yeah, like here
you are, like I mean, you're bringing out Cardi B,
You're bringing out Mega, You're bringing out all of this,
all of this, he has grabbed the votes for the
younger generation. Guess what the Republicans did when they pandered.

(02:07:07):
They only pandered to the Democrats. They brought out a
Kwannie from Philly, like he's going to McDonald's. He not
doing that for the Republicans. He's like, I already got
my vote. So when he start pandering, he start pandering
to the Democrats to say, hey, I want to flip
y'all to come over here. And it worked, unfortunately, you
know what I mean. So I think that it should

(02:07:28):
have been more conservative, where just stick to the facts.
It's almost like two parents. One parent is going to
talk about let's just say a mother and father and
they're getting divorced. The mother gonna keep talking about the father.
The kid's gonna start resenting her because why you keep
talking about heim? If anything, let me find out who
he is. In this character by myself. You know what
I'm saying, If anything, just stick to the policies. Oh,

(02:07:48):
you had a good time with your father. Okay, y'all
ate pizza?

Speaker 3 (02:07:51):
Great?

Speaker 6 (02:07:52):
Don't Oh you had a good time with your father.
Where'd you go to the park?

Speaker 5 (02:07:54):
That's it?

Speaker 6 (02:07:55):
That was free? Oh the pizza was cold, that's all
you had.

Speaker 5 (02:07:57):
You didn't have that.

Speaker 6 (02:07:58):
You know what I'm saying, Like, don't do that. You
stick to the policies and talk about what you know
and what can change for solution based.

Speaker 1 (02:08:05):
Yeah, I agree with that. I think that Kamala did
the best that she could do in the amount of
time that she had to do it. And I think again,
I blame the Democratic strategy right like I think they
said how many days was it?

Speaker 5 (02:08:17):
Like it is?

Speaker 6 (02:08:20):
I think that to just if it was even about
changing history. And I think that what I said earlier,
which both you Sizzel and Lydias Dot said, I don't
think America is ready for a woman. I think their
sexes and still races because it's America. But I think
if they wanted to make a real change, what they
could have did is had Biden stepped down for those

(02:08:41):
four months, still have her run and then now you
got a woman president.

Speaker 1 (02:08:45):
That was the biggest That was the biggest problem that
I had with the Democratic part again going back to them,
like literally people were telling like yo, like he's he's
showing signs that he isn't yes, mentally stable enough to
go back and forth with the even a conversation. He
needs to get out. Put somebody in there right now. Period.

(02:09:06):
They should have had a primary. They didn't have that,
And so that was the problem from the beginning now
to that point, if you look at all these strategies,
they know the numbers, you put one of the most
I think, honestly, even more so than Kamala Harris, even
more so than half the presidents that we had. I

(02:09:26):
think Hillary probably was the most qualified person on a
planet that could have been the president.

Speaker 5 (02:09:33):
Me too, now I vote for Hillary also.

Speaker 1 (02:09:36):
So to that point, right, so, the fact that she
couldn't be Trump, you really think that a black woman
exactly that they hate, they hate us, right, but a
black woman specifically in amount of time that she had,
you really think that if Clinton couldn't do that, that

(02:09:58):
she can do that against Trump to because if you
look at the numbers, literally she got dragged through.

Speaker 5 (02:10:04):
It's like it was just a blow right out the gate. Yeah, immediately,
but they're.

Speaker 6 (02:10:12):
Looking at it that she was VP and she still
is and that's that's honorable. But the reason she was
VP was a default because Biden chose her and he won,
you know what I mean. So if it's like, if anything,
it wasn't on her own, on her own merit that
she wanted.

Speaker 1 (02:10:28):
So I just feel I just feel that they did
a horrible job. And the finger should not be pointed
at kammona period. It should be pointed at the Democratic Party,
who does the campaign, who creates a campaign, who chooses.
They didn't even give the American people the opportunity to
say who they wanted. They just chose. They just chose

(02:10:50):
at the last minute, kept Biden in there. They should
have took them out. And then you, out of all
pick but real quick hold that thought that they literally
told us to stick with Biden. Biden can't do it.
He's not getting No, he's not. And then after you
got the American people on that type time, you didn't

(02:11:12):
pivot and take him out.

Speaker 6 (02:11:14):
Like yeah, and you also got to think about Walts
like Waltz to me, shap right that period there is
and it's like, why would you choose the.

Speaker 3 (02:11:27):
Right?

Speaker 6 (02:11:27):
Like Walts would have probably took her to I don't
know if she could have won, but her numbers wouldn't
have been a sweep like they were. So guess what,
Like like Sizzel said, what America is about to embark on,
They're gonna have another four years because his protege is vanced.
That's who they're gonna be building up to be the
next president after his turn.

Speaker 1 (02:11:48):
If we if we play our position accurately and the
Democratic Party listens to the people. I'm a registered Democrat,
right if the if the if the Democratic Party listens
to the American people, look at the stats, understand that
everyone is in an academic So I did care less

(02:12:08):
what you're saying on seeing in a careless on what
you say in MSNBC that this is not that's not.
Most of us at this point, even millennials down don't
even look at TV. So most of that conversation that
that that you know, pontification of X, Y and Z
is not happening. Most of the information that a lot

(02:12:31):
of people are getting in social media and they try
to do better with that with their ads and stuff.
But literally that's all they did was ads. So you're
not even really truly organically given information out as it
relates to us voting. And it goes back to what
Obama was singing, people need to continue this conversation every

(02:12:53):
day because guess what I heard again for the umpteenth
time that I ever voted, This is going to be
it all most.

Speaker 7 (02:13:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:13:03):
So I was also want to say, I don't know
what the numbers are, but I would love to see
how many Democrats change to Republican or Green because I
think that this is probably the most percentage of people
who were once a Democrat that changed their their party
to whichever. Like the numbers show that black women and

(02:13:25):
black men stood behind the Democrats slash Kamala Party. However,
I want to see what those numbers look like because
a lot of people I know, and it may be economics,
because a lot of people I know that are middle
class that are no longer Democrats and they're in the

(02:13:45):
generation when is that generation X where they're like forty
and above and they're like, no, I got I got
taxes to pack, I got you know, tuition to pack,
I got you know, and they're in that six figure
income where they not look kind of how the Democrats
was at one time saying I need welfare, I need resources,
and not even thinking about their legacy, meaning if their

(02:14:08):
children needed. They're looking at themselves and what their retirement
is going to look like and who can help them.

Speaker 3 (02:14:14):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (02:14:15):
I just want to I just want everyone to be
honest with what they actually seen, and I do want
to make sure that we get Kama her grace because
I think she did.

Speaker 3 (02:14:25):
She did.

Speaker 1 (02:14:25):
She did the best that she could do in amount
of time and under the constraints that I know that
she had ninety days.

Speaker 6 (02:14:34):
Literally, they already had one debate with Trump like that,
she that she mocked the forward ing no I'm talking
about oh yeah, yeah right, I meant Biden. Biden already
had one presidential debate, because at one presidential debate, it
already marks the time frame that it's on go. And
for her to have to be able to only get one,

(02:14:55):
she didn't even get more than one. He was like no, no, no,
and it might feel because he was felt defeated. Buyer,
you know what I mean. She she definitely did good
in that debate. I think that the vice presidential debate.
Now I think Vance won.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
That absolute vice Yeah, Advance won that anytime you have walls.
First of all, he was shaking his head grin with
Vance pretty much the whole debate, like yeah, yeah, I
agreet and yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:15:20):
People don't even realize that that probably is the one
that took America over. They didn't really get much. I
at least when I watched the presidential debate, I didn't
get much policies. I got more policies when I watched
the vice.

Speaker 1 (02:15:35):
Presidential I agree with that.

Speaker 5 (02:15:38):
Let me tell you why that is.

Speaker 2 (02:15:39):
When you just said that's probably what took them over.
We all know, like you said, the president of the
United States is the face. They're the ones that deliver
the messages. They're the ones that saying I'm gonna do this,
We're gonna do this, gonna do But they're not the
ones that are actually making the real decisions. They're not
the ones doing the work. We all know everybody else
is the ones doing the work. So the vice president

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is doing the work.

Speaker 5 (02:16:01):
So yeah, that because that was a love fest. So hey,
they like, you know, we're gonna go out for bigger.

Speaker 3 (02:16:08):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (02:16:08):
That was in conjunction with the presidential debate that we watched, Now,
that was crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:16:17):
Going back, I think that was just entertainment.

Speaker 1 (02:16:19):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (02:16:21):
Don't even feel like it was.

Speaker 2 (02:16:22):
How the how was the presidential debate not as serious
as the vice president well, because it was like it
felt like a joke, like, are y'all serious right now?

Speaker 1 (02:16:30):
Yeah? Well, well too to two And I feel like
I'm supporting this guy. But to Vance's credit, he's a
he's like an ivy leaguer like, and he's very he's
very smart, very intelligent. So but but that's why you
had that type of conversation. And so that's my point,
which I think, which I think should happen with two candidates.

(02:16:53):
I believe that you don't have to bump hits one
hundred percent of the time. We can just be I'm red,
you blue. We just don't agree on certain things, but
we're still okay. If you look at the presidential debate,
that didn't look like we're still okay. And Kammala wiped
the floor with him, and so if if Trump wasn't

(02:17:17):
so triggered, maybe it would have been a little better, right,
But it became more argumentative than anything, and an ego
ego trip Right, the Events and Walls debate was a
little different. That seemed like two people kind of respect
each other. They they're knowledgeable on policy, they know what

(02:17:38):
was going on, they understand, you know, democracy, And that
was the conversation and so that's why I give that
more credit than the presidential debate. But you're talking about Kammala, like,
do you expect anything less from her? No, especially when
you talk she's an attorney, she's smart, like you expect

(02:17:59):
her to have a conversation with somebody back and forth
like that. Now, I still was a little upset because
you know, when you talk about like just answer a question,
I felt like she wasn't doing a lot of that. Yeah,
she would not answer a straight question and when she

(02:18:19):
was pushed on it. Shout out to the journalists that
was here in Philly. Shout out to the journalists that
was here in Philly. Shout out to the journalist that
was here in Philly. That's a National Association of Black Journalists.
Right is a National Association Black Journalists, Philly chapter. I
believe that they they held this debate and they did
an excellent job with questioning that. It seemed like Kama

(02:18:44):
got a little flustered with that, said Trump when he
came and was trying to interview and do that sit
down that town hall with them, Trump was like he
didn't even answer anything. He was more, oh, y'all is
that and the other and it's like, Yo, you can't.
I don't believe you should take Trump series. I don't

(02:19:06):
take it serious.

Speaker 6 (02:19:07):
Answer policy questions either. So he uses third grade level words.

Speaker 1 (02:19:14):
It was awesome, which which exactly, which goes to the
point of most of the citizens in the nation are
not academics. So you talk to the constituents as such.
Stop having these uh uh uh doctoral uh debate and

(02:19:39):
defended defits based thesises in a conversation. You're not going
to get the American.

Speaker 2 (02:19:46):
People in it because they like people that they can
relate to, and if nothing else, they understand what he's
saying and don't understand what the others are saying.

Speaker 3 (02:19:58):
That part.

Speaker 6 (02:20:00):
That was your good news and your bad news back
clas classic Lady.

Speaker 2 (02:20:03):
Spark is that geez spark et.

Speaker 5 (02:20:06):
That's where we was at.

Speaker 1 (02:20:07):
I know, alright, alright, we about to go into the sizzle. Man,
You ready for the cizle? I know, right, did you
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Speaker 5 (02:20:25):
Class and the beautiful Lady stop.

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And that was We talked weekly. Y'all, tune in next
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