August 16, 2023 • 44 mins
In this episode Brad and Holly catch up on summer travels and recommendations for California and Southern Oregon outdoor adventures, plus discuss Yosemite's controversial decision encouraging visitors to knock down cairns in the park. Also in the podcast: the climate crisis, and an interview with Weekend Sherpa contributing content creator Heather Werner, recently cast in Naked & Afraid for an episode filmed in Africa, and currently solo biking from Canada to Mexico.
Program Note: This podcast episode discusses wildfires in the US and Canada and was recorded before the devastation of the Maui wildfires, the deadliest in modern US history. Our thoughts are with the people in Lahaina and Maui who are suffering in the aftermath. If you are able to support Maui in giving what you can, reputable news outlets and individuals have provided guidance on places to donate, including American Red Cross, The Maui Strong Fund, and The Maui Humane Society, among others.
To follow Heather Werner on her current solo biking adventure from Canada to Mexico, see her IG, @heath.er.wer.ner
Program Note: This podcast episode discusses wildfires in the US and Canada and was recorded before the devastation of the Maui wildfires, the deadliest in modern US history. Our thoughts are with the people in Lahaina and Maui who are suffering in the aftermath. If you are able to support Maui in giving what you can, reputable news outlets and individuals have provided guidance on places to donate, including American Red Cross, The Maui Strong Fund, and The Maui Humane Society, among others.
To follow Heather Werner on her current solo biking adventure from Canada to Mexico, see her IG, @heath.er.wer.ner
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Welcome to the Weekend Trip of podcast. Take it Outside. I'm Brad Day,
I'm Holly Kulak, and yes we'restill here. I'm telling you that
the microphone has dust on it.I just yeah, it's a little dusty
in our podcast set up. Becauseit's been I don't even know how long,
it's been, several months. Wedid take a hiatus. You know.
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It's busy. It's been busy.It's been it's been really I mean,
everybody's busy, so it's not butit just was. It just there's
some sometimes something has to give alittle bit, but it's always it's fun
to come back. I'm just goingto be really rusty, but that's all
right. Yeah I'm gonna be rustytoo. But we do have a great
guest coming up in a little bit. We have our writer Heather Warner,
who's been on the show a coupleof times before. She is always off
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on really amazing adventures and she's gota couple of of adventures upcoming and some
that have already happened that we getto talk with her about. And that's
a really great conversation, including herNaked and Afraid show. Yeah crazy,
Yeah, So she was on thatshow, and we get to talk with
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her a little bit about it hasn'tcome. It's coming up in fall,
probably is when it's going to air, right, Yeah, hasn't aired yet,
so sneak previews. But how haveyou been, Holly? I'm I'm
I'm good. You know what Ihave to say. I really enjoyed summer
and I feel really lucky because youknow, I know that there's well we
haven't had a wildfire, thankfully.Knock on wood. Yeah, seriously,
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we're still got it. Yeah,in California, and I feel like we
didn't get a spring that got skippedand then summer started and I've had a
really really lovely summer. I mean, I've been too into southern Oregon for
work, but also it was letme work is beautiful hikes? What is
southern Oregon? Like? What wouldyou Klamath Falls? And I was in
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Medford area, Grants Pass, Rosebergarea, so like the Highway of water
Falls, and they're very wonderful winecountry and their farm trails. It's just
it's really beautiful. Yeah, Yeah, that was a great trip. You
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said you skipped spring. What happens? We skipped spring? It's just swee
didn't kid spring. No, itdidn't feel kind of crap weather, but
you were you were busy. Imean, you've had you've had an epic
summer of really successful mountain bike ridingafter a terrible injury a year ago,
and we got to spend ten daysin Tahoe because you were doing a race.
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Yeah, No, it's been Yeah, I got I injured myself last
year. I broke my hip inApril and then was kind of off of
the bike for six or seven months, just kind of rehabbing, doing a
lot of physical therapy, getting backon my feet, so to speak.
And one thing I really wanted todo was to come back to competitive bike
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racing, mountain biking and gravel biking. So I was able to start that
off in January of this year,did my first gravel race, and then
started doing some more in the spring, and it kind of went all the
way through until a couple of weeksago with the Tahoe Trail mountain bike race,
which was one hundred kilometer mountain bikerace, like sixty six miles.
It was really really long. It'son a mountain bike, you're not going
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as fast as you are on aroad bike. You know, sixty six
miles on a road bike isn't Imean, it's still a lot, but
it's not that big of a dealon a mountin bike. It's a it's
a long time. It's like fiveand a half hours was my time.
And I was trying to qualify forthis really big, kind of like iconic
mountain bike race that's held at tenthousand feet in Colorado every August. It's
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called Leadville. You may have heardof it, and you have to qualify
for it by doing well in yourage group at certain races throughout the year.
And my age group you had toget top three out of like I
think it was roughly a hundred peoplecompeting. I ended up getting fifth,
just just missed it. So it'skind of bummed about that, but you
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know, that's just the way itworked out. You can always go forward
again next year. But I mean, on the flip side, you know,
it was great to be back,you know, racing, seeing the
same guys that I had seen beforemy injury, being fit again. You
know, just like there's so manybenefits that come along with like having this
obsession of this uh, this hobby. Oh and you did so, I
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mean it was you went to somebeautiful places and you want, you want
a lot of races in your inyour age category. You did, and
congratulations and your modest and you don'twant to say that, but and it's
not always about that, but it'syou know, you had a great,
great season, and I have afeeling Leadville will be on the dock.
We'll see. It's always good tohave something to look forward tone. You
had a lot of fun, youknow, you and your buddy Tim McCarty.
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Shout out to Tim McCarty doesn't listento this podcast, but maybe he
will know U. You know,did a great race up in Bogs Mountain.
Yeah, a two person relay racein Lake County at it's called Bogs
b ogg S and it's a it'sput on by this company called Bike Monkey,
and it was their very first bikerace that they did years ago.
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And they hadn't held that race forquite a while because Lake County got hit
with some wildfires, as a lotof places have in northern California, so
it was on a hiatus and theyfinally brought it back last year and it's
just a really fun, like joyous, just event where it's eight hours of
non stop mountain bike racing and youbasically one person does a lap and then
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another person does a lap and yousee who does the most laps over over
eight hours. So yeah, thatwas one of several races that I did
in twenty twenty three. And it'sjust beautiful places in the outdoors and it's
such a great way mountain Bicking's agreat way to see a lot of stuff
too. You've always talked about thatand you've been getting into it. Oh
yeah, But I mean I'm gonnaI'm not going to say what I might
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try to do next year, butit's not going to be nearly as epic
as you. But it is fun. I like it a lot. It's
good exercise. I mean I'm notI'm not technical, but you know,
there's always room for improvement. Yeah, it's great fitness too. I like
it a lot. It's really good, low impact unless you crash. Yeah.
Two other things. Gus Gus theBulldog is one. Yeah, we
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just celebrated his first birthday a littlewhile ago. He's a real joint.
He's come on like quite a fewgood adventures, Like he came to Bend,
Oregon while you did the Sisters byGrace, which you won and had
like the coolest by Grace beginning ever. Are with the horse running all of
the riders out for that mountain byGrace. That was spectacular and just fun.
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Yeah, and a great race.And yeah, Gus was Gus was
along, and Gus was along,and Tahoe's he's kind of a he's pretty
decent in the outdoors and he's nota not a big hiker. But I
really appreciate that Gus likes the biketrailer because we hooked the bike trailer up
to your bike typically and you putGusts in there, and he just he's
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cool with it. You know.Then you can all of a sudden you're
on your bike with your dog goingexploring bike trails and going to brew pubs
and restaurants. And Bend is agreat spot if you've never been. It's
worth checking out. And so isSouthern Oregon. I mean, like that
trip you were saying, just exploringthe Highway of waterfalls in southern issue about
it on our website. Yeah,it just came out if you check check
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out our website. And in theNorthern and the Southern California section of Weekend
Trip, it's called road trip toremember and this one. Yeah, it's
awesome. I mean the glamping placethat we stayed near Crater Lake was really
cool. That was in Klamath Fallskayaking trip, which I you know it
I always view kayaking sometimes is likethat's going to be sometimes stressful. I
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don't know why, just because itcan be right, Like, don't they
call him like divorce makers, likethe two persons like kayaks? I don't
know that's like that. That usedto be the common phrase because couples and
like someone would be upset with theother person. And yeah, it did.
It earned that nickname at a point. But this was like Zen.
It really was. It was socheck out that story on our site.
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It's called Zen in the Art ofKayaking. It's in that issue. Yeah,
just beautiful and it really was afantastic, fantastic trip. The other
thing that I'm happy about is moviescame back, like going to the movie
theater with the whole Barbenheimer, Yeahbie, have you seen both of those?
No, I haven't seen Barbie yet. I've seen Oppenheimer twice twice. Yeah,
I want I want to go athird time because I want to see
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it in imax. But I don'tknow if I'll get I'll get to an
imax. I heard they filmed thatmovie and with the imax. Yeah,
yeah, I would really that's I'dlike to see it one more time.
But it's an outstanding movie. Yeah, I like that movie. Yeah,
I liked it a lot too.And I will get to Barbie. It's
playing locally now, which is good. We really have one low theater and
thankfully they had Oppenheimer and so theiropening night. Yeah, and then went
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back with some friends. But yeah, Barbenheimer or Barbenheimer. It's just been
great to have people want to goto the movies again. I know,
I do like going to the movies, and I feel like it's changed.
COVID changed the way we kind ofsee movies. It seems like we got
so used to streaming, and Idon't think that's changing really. I think,
you know, people are going tostill go to the movies, but
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I think people are getting more andmore accustomed to watching stuff at home.
I know, but I'm just hoping. I think movies are so special to
go seeing, like it's an eventto go to the movies. Well this
was anyway else, and so Ihope you know what it is. It
just comes down to this, givepeople good movies that aren't like the same
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thing over and over, and likeyou're talking about comic book movies. I
mean some comic book movies are good. I think the Spider Verse one.
I haven't seen that yet, butthat people loved and I'd like to see
that. But it's just the pointto like make good movies that are interesting
and different and make you think,and you know, are entertaining. And
I don't know, people showed thatthey'll go and I'll show its spectacular marketing
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around it. But you know that'strue. I love movies and I'm really
glad that they're they're back at themoment. Let's hope it sticks. They're
back, baby. Now let's moveon to the Yosemite Karen's. Does that
sound like a bad, bad likerock band. I think it was seventy
Karens. I know, well whenI said to you a couple of weeks
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ago, like did you hear aboutthe Yosemite Karen's? And You're like,
what do you mean? Are theycovering brands Karen's, C, A,
I. R. And that kindof rocks that people that people build and
also Rangers belts. They stack uplike little uh pyramids, exactly the trail.
So when I first saw it wason social media and they had Yosemite
had done a like a little videoof and it was pretty dramatic. I
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personally wasn't a fan of it becausethey had someone standing there, you know,
with Karen's and then she dramatically pushedthem all over. This is on
like Yosevities Instagram, social media.Yeah, yeah, and that was yeah
the story I saw, and itwas more about like the leave no trace.
I thought it was okay, wellit's sort of similar. Yeah,
so like the graffiti like leave notrace, like keeping the outdoors pristine.
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But the problem I think with thatis that a lot of times those little
rock piles are set up by rangersactually to mark the trail on places where
there is no obvious trail, likeif you're walking over a granite rock like
you get a lot of that inthe High Sierra right, or there isn't
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an obvious kind of dirt path,you have little rock Karen's set up.
You get this a lot in theSouthwest too, in Utah and rock country
around Arches, canyon Land Zion.You have you know, if you're doing
a really cool trail and all ofa sudden it goes across the red rock.
They'll have little rocks set up,and it's so it's they're kind of
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prolific. I think a lot ofpeople know what they mean, which is
this way to the trail. Theycan be a lifesaver a lot of times.
So I was I was a bitlike taken aback hearing this story about
yosembodies like stands to just knock themover, and I think they were probably
trying to target you know, theselittle rock piles that people set up as
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more kind of artistically artistically, youknow, like you know sometimes you see
them by creeks. I've seen somein some regional parks up here in the
Bay Area where there's like little rockpiles people have set up and it's like
whatever, and you know, there'scertainly worse types of graffiti than rock piles,
but you know, it felt likea little bit of like maybe missing
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the mark for yosembody to do that, because it's you know, those those
times those There's been several instances whereI've seen those rock piles on a trail
and they've helped me guide the wayfor where I'm supposed to be going.
Yeah, I know, well Iwas like that was my thought it too,
because and I don't know if they'veclarified this, but they weren't.
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They sort of said, well,sometimes they are officially put out by rangers,
and there's been some pushback by otheror disagreements from other national parks,
like I know, I think someparks in Utah and the Grand Canyon,
even Joshua Tree National Park, whichdoesn't typically they say they usually don't have
Karen's like official Karen's, but theydo on a few very remote sections apparently,
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and that's put there by the rangers. So if you're saying, you
know, well, there are somethat are there officially from rangers, but
others you know, no, theyjust shouldn't be there. So how are
you really to differentiate? And youhave to think about the casual outdoor enthusiasts,
not somebody who's necessarily aware that actuallythis might be official, Like there's
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no way of knowing that or designatingit other than maybe some experience in the
outdoors. And so you're just encouragingeverybody to just go. I mean,
people are just gonna be like,oh great, like Karen's knock them out,
and they've been so helpful. Samefor me. When you know,
I can think of like in Canada, hiking to Merlin Ridge in like vamp
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National Park and being at this ridgewhen a no storm starts coming in all
of a sudden, and you're like, you know, you remember this,
you were with me getting down thatridge in hail and bad weather. You
had to look for Karen's and imaginesomebody just like, oh, I'm supposed
to knock these over. Yeah.I think that you have to have a
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way of being more clearer about likewhich ones are official and which ones get
knocked down. Yeah, because it'sfree for all. Knocking all these down,
you're gonna that's that's not good.It's also messy. That's leaving a
trace. Knocking down rocks, that'sleaving a trace, kind of I guess.
I guess don't go to Yosemite andthen you'll leave no trace. Yeah,
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what's the deal with Yosemites? Like, are they imposing a reservation system
again? Did I hear that theymight be? I? I think,
you know, I think they Ithink it's on and off. I think
it depends on the season. Idon't know, though I haven't looked it
up lately. I haven't seen anynews about that. Yeah, I would
imagine in summer they probably have to. We missed the I'm sure insane waterfall
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season that was twenty twenty three withall the snow melt. Oh you know
what that reminds me of. There'sa there's a Instagram handle. It's called
Torons of National Parks. I thinkthat's how I think it's supposed to be
a play on morons of National Parks. I could be wrong, but it's
like a tour, but I thinkit's Torons of National Parks, and it's
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people who video other people doing reallydumb things in national parks. So one
of the examples was, I thinkthis was just the other day, a
hiker at the topic of seventy falls, which is like still smashing right now,
is just so beautiful, and helike it was a video of a
guy climbing over the guardrail to getclosed, and at least, yeah,
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it's like, you don't really wantto be on the Torons of National Parks,
if I'm pronouncing that correctly, Orlike there's a bear in Montana,
a grizzly bear that was eating alike an elk. And you know how
protective grizzlies are, yea. Andall these people were out of their cars
standing there watching. Oh my god, it's like watching a grizzly bear.
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Yeah. I feel like I've seenso many stories this summer of tourists getting
like like Gord, maybe not Gord, but they've been hit by bison in
Yellowstone. I know. I know, there's only so many signs you can
put up that say, you know, don't get close to the bison,
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but people just don't follow those thatadvice, which is why I think that
everyone's just going to go knock overe with Karen. That even looks like
it could be official. You like, can like watch me do this.
I'm gonna, you know, dramaticallyknock over this. I think it's funny
that other National parks had to retortto Yosemite's advice of knocking over the rock
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piles, because I did see that. Yeah, like you said, I
think it was canyon Lands or Archesor one of them in Utah. Yeah.
Yeah, we're like, yeah,we don't want you doing that in
this park. Yeah. Well theycan be very very helpful. I mean,
do you remember doing that just spectacularhike that you chose, and it
was in Canyon Lands at Needles.Yeah, and you needed Karen's like,
it's just vast desert in parts andyou have to be able to look and
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there's no discernible trail. It's justlike route, follow this route one rock
pile to the next. I'm surethey're going to find a way to clarify
that. And we love you,so, I mean, it's a great
part. Just I thought that wassuch a I thought it was a bit
of a miss, and how itwas communicated and delivering it more thought.
Yeah, well, and you knowI have to for anyone newly listening,
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I always I grew up in Canadaand so I always have Canadian that's fifty
two episodes in a row. Ialways have Canadian content. But no,
really like the fires in Canada talkingabout carbon foot print, like it,
uh, it's terrible right now.And I was listening to another podcast and
it's just The New York Times Daily, which had a great episode but like,
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you know, very sobering about theso they say, you know,
as of today, early August,it's about thirty million acres in Canada that
are just on fire. Sires.Yeah, and they estimate it could be
up to fifty million. And it'sa fascinating it's it's well worth a listen,
just in terms of fire. Howyou know, what we're dealing with
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today with fires and how for example, like we don't talk you know,
we used to say fire weather meantconditions are right for a fire to start,
and now it means, oh,actually it creates its own weather.
It creates tornadoes, it creates lightning. So like it's just it's it's bizarre.
And how fighting the fight, Likewe're always like, oh, we
can get better, and it's kindof like it's it's it's so complicated and
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so difficult with how hot these firesget and and what you can do.
And it was saying that if wildfiresthe person they were interviewing was saying that
if wildfires were a country, thenthey'd be the fourth largest output of carbon
in the world. Wow, whichis like it's so disconcerting. And you
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know, I mean, you know, British Columbia has really got a lot
of fires right now, and Imean it's everywhere, but you know,
just hopefully it can at a pointthey're like they almost have to just wait
for what they call like a weatherevent, like let some of them just
go and try to protect infrastructure,save people's lives, save towns, but
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they have to kind of let itin some cases not. I guess we're
on its course, but keep goinguntil something like there's rain or winter comes.
Yeah, it's really something. It'sreally crazy. I was driving last
week. I was driving in SonomaValley on Highway twelve going up to Santa
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Rosa, and I saw a firethat had just started, and I was
like, Oh, that's got tobe a control burn, right because it
had just started, and you know, it was kind of like middle of
the day. I don't know,it was like three pm on a Wednesday.
And the closer I got to itand I'm like, oh, that
was that's right underneath a power line. And then I look up at the
power line and the power line thathas these like these metal cylindrical kind of
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things at the very top of thepower line, and that was smoking.
Oh so it like that had caughtfire somehow and had dropped sparks or something
down on the ground, and thatwas the fire I was seeing. And
I'm like, we gotta do betterwith the power lines on not starting fires
like we're already have. We havean environment that's just ripe for wildfires,
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and we have this like decades oldequipment that is like just lighting the match,
so to speak, for these wildfires. And you know, when I
drove back like an hour later,there were just like fire engines all over
the place, and it was thefire had been put out, but you
know, if that had been alittle bit more remote, you know,
where somebody hadn't seen it from theside of the highway, Like I called
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nine one one and I'm like,hey, there's a fire. It looks
like a power line ignited it.And they're like, Okay, thank you.
It looks like they somebody had alreadycalled it in before me. But
just it's crazy because that is sooften how these wildfires, at least in
California have started. I mean,occasionally it is you know, dry lightning.
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I think that happened a couple ofyears ago, but more often than
not, it's the power lines.And it's like, we got to get
that shit figured out, Like wecannot keep lighting our state or our country
on fire because we're not investing inlike better equipment to stop wildfires, Like
like the climate change has caught up. We're here like what like you were
saying, wildfire season is a longass season now, now, Yeah,
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so what can we do? Well, we can start with that. That's
one thing we can do for sure. We're certainly paying enough to our power
on our power bills these days.At least they can invest a little bit
more in upgrading their equipment, whichI think they are. But yeah,
I see them out a lot.I do see, you know, and
it's like, uh, I thinkI think it's just it's a massive job,
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like it's a massive infrastructure. Yeah, well it all caught up to
us in the last few years andit's like, okay, so those decades
of not doing anything are now here, so now you have to play massive
catch up. Yeah, and Ido see them doing it, which is
good, you know, But yeah, it's it's a it's a lot of
food thought. We haven't had wehaven't had a lot of the smoke from
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Canada. But I think the EastCoast is really I remember that like a
month or two ago, they werereally good hit. Just the health impacts
of that too. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot.
But on a brighter note, wehave a great guest coming up with
Heather Werner, very inspirational, yes, talking about her adventures. Who's also
a writer for for a Weekend Sure, and she's done some really great stories
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for us recently, and we talka little bit about that. But let's
get to it. Here's Heather.It's great to see you, Heather.
Great to see you, Heather.Hey, guys, good to see you.
Thanks for having me. Yeah,it's been a while since we had
you on the podcast. It's beena while since we've done a podcast,
and you've been on so many differentadventures. I think the last adventure you
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were on when we had when youhad you on the podcast was was DENIALI
right, yeah, yep. Ihad just gotten off and we're still in
recovery from that, so yeah,that was last summer. Gosh, it
has been a while, was it. Don't say that because we've done podcasts
since then, but we took aslight hiatus. We're back and it's really
(23:42):
great to have you on again.It's it's always fun to see you.
I feel like you recovered fast becausesince then you were just like doing all
of these incredible adventures starting with andyou can let me know what we're allowed
to talk about. But starting withthe reality TV show, Yeah, I
did something very outside my comfort zone. I went on the TV show Naked
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and Afraid, which I'm totally fineif other people want to be naked,
but I have a problem with myown nudity. So that was definitely like
a big leap for me. Butthey reached out. A casting director found
me on Instagram, and I thought, what an opportunity because I teach survival
skills to the Girl Scouts and oneof the big things I have an issue
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with is the survivalist stereotype where it'sex military, you know, big burly
guys. They probably have a doomsdaybunker and a home armory. You know,
there's a very specific stereotype that goeswith that, and I'm always trying
to sort of counteract that. SoI thought, all right, if I
go on Naked and Afraid, I'mjust a hairstylist, you know, I'm
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just a normal person. So ifI can do it and make it all
the way through, then you know, that will hope fully show that anyone
could learn these skills. So that'sawesome. Yeah. Yeah, So so
I gave it a shot and weshowed up and I was I can say
this because this was actually in acommercial and seeing yourself naked on TV and
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a commercial, I thought I wasready. I was not ready. It's
it's horrifying. Nothing prepares you forthat. Well, you know, Brad
had, I've I've never watched it, but I'm definitely gonna watched your your
season. And but brad Head onthe other night, like at random,
I don't think you've ever seen methere? And I can't, and I'm
like, is Heather in this one? Is Heather there? I was like,
we were looking for you, butlike, uh, that's that's super
(25:37):
impressive. That's that's it. Wasn'tyou. We didn't see you? So
I don't know when when you're whenyou're season? Like when is when is
your season airing? Is it isseason or episodes or how does it work?
So we are in just one episode, but we had a they call
it a tribe episode. It's fourpeople instead of the normal two. So
we're going to get I think alonger than normal episode like our own little
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movie. Oh, we won't bein we won't be in one of the
whole season long ones. Oh sowhen does that do you know when that
airs, they think everything's kind ofup in the air with the writer strike,
but they think this fall, thisfall cool and it's going to be
Instead of the normal two team situation, it's four person teams. But it's
still a competition. No so nakedand afraid. They have different seasons that
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they run and the normal season,which is kind of what we were doing.
It's cooperative, there's no competition,there's no grand prize at the end.
You work together. And what Iloved about our team we had three
women and one guy, and everyonewas kind of like me, just a
normal person. We had no professionalsurvivalist or anything like that. We had
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a chef, a teacher, apersonal trainer. And I think if my
mission going in was to show thatthese skills are for everyone, I could
not have asked for a better groupof people. That's awesome. Oh that
is so cool. That's so interesting. And are you allowed to say where
you were, like where the locationis or is? I can say that
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we were in Africa, I can'tget more specific. Oh that's a big
Continent's a big continent. No,But I think that's such a great Like
you're you're such a good inspiration andwhat a great attitude to go in with.
I mean, I have zero survivalskills too. I was on a
run this morning and I like cameupon a snake and like freaked out,
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scream, jumped over it, dideverything wrong, and I was like,
this isn't I did that in Australiatoo, you know where they're really poisonous.
They're like just try to calm,be calm, And I would see
one and freak out and do it. I'm like, I don't think i'd
make it. So I'm gonna watchyou and learn how it's really done.
You should you should attend our girlScout classes. Has learned more than the
kids do. I know, youknow what, I bet I can see
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that. I can absolutely see that. And is this the crew that you
went in spring? You climbed Shastathis past sprain just a few months ago,
were you with some of your crew? The Naked and Afraid women have
been super tight post show. Soright after we finished filming, the three
women went to Hawaii to do abackpacking trip and then just a few weeks
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ago one of the gals came hereto climb Shasta, which was we had
six women total, and it wasa newbie intro to mountaineering expedition and they
did so amazing. So this wastheir first time wearing crampons, using an
ice axe, climbing in snow andice, and it was I thought they
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did fantastic. Shasta has about aseventy percent failure rate. It's ridiculously high.
Yeah, so going in with fivenewbies, that could have gone horribly
wrong, and there's a ton ofrockfall, Shasta can be surprisingly dangerous.
And five people made it to thesummit. Everyone learned how to self arrest,
so if you fall down the mountain, they had to learn how to
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stop themselves, the acts, howto kick into the ice, and we
even did a little bit of iceclimbing near the summit, and you know,
they were nervous, but they gaveit their all and they did great.
And you were the leader for this. Yes, that's amazing. Good
for you. Well, Brad,you've climbed Shasta. I did. Yeah,
that was a long time ago.It was like right after I graduated.
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It was like a graduation trip witha friend of mine. And I
do remember like renting the gear inthe town of Mount Shasta. I forget
the name of the sports shop,but you rented the stuff, and I
found it somewhat surprising that you wouldjust like you go in and you rent
what you need for a somewhat technicalkind of hike. I mean, this
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is more than just like being ona trail and going up to the summit.
It's like you get to at thattime of year. I think it
was in mid June. There waslike snow at that first place you camp.
I think it was at Lake Helenor Feet somewhere around there. Yeah,
And it was just like putting onthe cramp in the ice acs and
using all that equipment, which Ihadn't really used a heck of a lot
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before, and neither had my friend. And you know, there's no necessarily
tutorials at the place where you rentedit. Again, this was like over
twenty years ago. I don't knowif it's different now, but oh no,
it's it's still that way, stillthat way. It's fifth season,
right, that's where everyone gets y. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they
give you your gear and just sendyou out. Yeah, totally, but
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yeah, no, wearing a helmetwas very crucial because of you know,
people above you and and all that. But I remember we did it.
That was you were talking about thefailure rate. That was my second attempt.
The first time we went was inlike September and there was like hardly
any snow, and that just wasso slow going. It's like take one
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step forward and two steps back.It felt like with all the rock screen
that was super loose. So yeah, that was kind of a learning lesson,
just like knowing the right season totry to do some of these things.
And it's it's really cool that you'reable to take out, you know,
a group of six people and showthem you know, how to how
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to make these adventures happen. Iwish I would have had somebody like you
to show me seriously. And youcan do guided trips, right, do
they have guides? Yep, thereare guides that will take you up if
you've never done it before, because, like you said, the gear shop,
they're great for giving you gear,but there's no instruction. You just
have to figure it out. Andpeople people die on Shasta, people do
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fall, so it's good to ifit's your first climb, go with a
guide or with someone who knows whatthey're doing. Yeah, And so when
was that trip we went in lateJune which is late in the season,
and up above the Red Banks itwas completely snow free. It was all
screwed the whole way up and kindof like what you went through, and
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it was it was slow going.Yeah, every step you take you're just
sliding back in the sand. Ohyeah, but pretty amazing for you.
From the summit, I remember,Oh yeah, gorgeous. We got really
dramatic summit photos, which I washappy with because then they have this cool
souvenir like, look what I did. Really, that's so cool. And
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now you have another big adventure comingup on a bike. Can you tell
us about that. Yeah, Iam going to bicycle from Canada to Mexico
and this will be my second crossthe USA trip. In twenty eleven,
I did from the Atlantic Ocean inJacksonville, Florida to Pacific. I ended
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in Carmel, California, and Ifigured, you know, you gotta dot
your eyes and cross your teeth.So I'm gonna go top to bottom now
and I'm going to see the middleof the country because Nebraska, Kansas,
Iowa. I mean, I'll neverdo a separate vacation just to get out
there. So I'm going to seethem all in one swoop. You don't
want to take that nice vacation toNebraska. As great as it sounds,
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I think this is the way togo. This is the way to go.
That's gonna be so cool. Sohow long is that going to take?
You think if I was really bombingalong super motivated, I could do
it in the shortest three weeks.But I'm guessing the four to five weeks.
I have this horrible, recurring daydream of trying to outrun a tornado.
I think the weather's going to bejust that's what's gonna slow me down.
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Thunderstorms, possible tornadoes, hail.You know, it's the most supported
like how is are you completely selfsufficient? Will you be alone? Are
you gonna have to call us froma phone booth in a small town to
like Philip in on what's going on? Remember early Andy Skirt did years ago?
Is that? How is it goingto work? I will be completely
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alone. I actually asked a fewfriends to come with me, and they're
like, oh, yeah, that'dbe a great ride. Thinking I was
going to go through Washington, Oregon, California. When I mentioned where the
root was, everyone failed immediately.So I will bet I'll be carrying my
camping gear, tent, sleeping bag, all that, and I'll just pull
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off when I'm tired for the dayand set up camp, and as soon
as the sun comes up, I'mback on the road. And I do
have a partnership with Jamis Bikes,which is awesome. I rode on my
first cross country trip, I rodea Jamie's bike, and so on this
trip I was going to use thesame exact bike. So I wrote to
them and I was like, Hey, what a wouldn't this be a cool
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story? You're the same bike hascrossed the country twice. That shows the
longevity of your bikes, how greatyour product is. And they were like,
yeah, that's really cool. Buthow would you like a new bike?
So yeah, even better, evenbetter. So I'm going to be
riding a Jaymiss Renegade for this trip, so same company, but this is
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more of a gravel off road bike, which is great. So if there's
a bike trail, you know,sometimes they're paved, sometimes they're not,
I can get off the road andexplore the trip a bit. Yeah.
So I mean as far as likethe luggage and carrying all that. Logistically,
you have all the panniers, andall the all this stuff that's going
to be a that's like a heavybike, right like once you have it
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all loaded up. Yeah, Sothe entire load I just waited is about
sixty five pounds with the saddle bagsattached, all the gear inside. I'm
bringing my laptop so I can likeedit video and photos. It's just a
lot of junk. Yeah. SoI've got the solar charger because you know,
you have no idea if you're goingto find a McDonald's to plug into
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or something. So yeah, it'sa lot of stuff you need. But
total sixty five is kind of aboutwhere I wanted to land. It's just
harder to get to get any lighter. And when when does this trip start
again? August thirteenth. I'm goingto fly out to North Dakota and a
local bike shop actually offered to giveme a ride. It's about seventy miles
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to the border, so the ownerof the bike shop is going to bring
me up there and drop me offand I'll cross into Canada, take my
photo, and then cross right backand start riding. Oh that's awesome.
That'd be super fun. That isAnd is Chris gonna be able to meet
you at any point or so yougonna wait for you at the end and
cheer you on. If he doesthe whole way, I don't know.
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So he scared the Bejesus out ofme. My first ride, I was
in the middle of New Mexico desert. I hadn't seen anyone for hours,
and a van drives by and pullsoff on the side of the road and
I was like, okay, justyou know, stay calm, it's fine.
And a guy gets out and startswalking towards me, and I was
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like, oh my god, I'mgonna die out here. And I got
closer and it was my husband.Oh, what a great surprise. You
could even have bear strand either.So I don't know if he's going to
be cute and try to pull thesame trick twice. But he is not
scheduled to meet me at any pointof this ride. Okay, okay,
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that's fantastic. I'm I mean,I don't eat. I'm trying to think
of the way to word this,but like, your sense of adventure is
so incredible and admirable. What wouldyou tell like other women who want to
try these things, and you know, like ore think, well, I
can't do that, or I don'thave any experience me. It's kind of
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what you were talking about about nakedand afraid. But what advice would you
give to women who are like Ireally you know, I'd like to do
something alone and they do it alot. I mean, you see them
backpacking. It's not to say it, but what advice would you would you
give? Yeah, the biggest thingthat people will say to me is,
oh, I wish I could doit, but I'm too scared, And
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I think people have maybe the wrongidea. I'm scared too. I am
always scared. I'm always so nervous. But what I do is I just
say, all right, I'm gonnado this, and I tell everyone so
that I'm being held accountable to sayI'm gonna bike across the country. And
then one you've said it and it'sout there, you have to start taking
those concrete steps. So it's justthat first step of bravery, like telling
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people, yes, I'm gonna dothis, I'm gonna make it happen,
and then it's just all those littlebaby steps to actually get to that point.
So don't think that these adventurous peoplethat they're not scared. We are.
You just have to take it stepby step, make an actual concrete
plan for how to get through it, and you'll kind of ease your way
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into how scary things are. Ithink that's such great advice because I think
that's so true, right, Thatis a lot of people's looking at me
like, it's true. You cantalk yourself out of a lot of things,
exactly, It's so true. Theother adventure that I know is on
your bucket list is going back toEverest. Have you scheduled for when that's
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gonna happen? I haven't, andpart of that is naked and afraid.
So we have very specific rules aboutgetting sponsors, getting film that sort of
thing, and I'm under contract withthem for another year or so, so
that kind of cuts into what Ibecause you know, Everest costs a million
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a million dollars. It costs alot of money, and it's hard to
go there as a hairstylist without somesort of outside help. So I'm debating
pushing it off for another year justwhen I can fully approach sponsors and you
know, not have any other commitments. So what I'm thinking for next year
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now that I have jamis, who'slike, really ready to support all these
trips I want to do. Isif I can't do Everest next year,
I'm looking at biking the Marco PoloRoute, the Silk Road, which goes
from Istanbul, Turkey all the wayto Beijing, China. That's a yeah,
a four thousand mile route. Itlooks amazing. It goes through some
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kind of dicey areas, but thereare all too roots where you can avoid
the Taliban and that sort of thing. Dicey okay, but politically dicey right
for going to avoid the Taliban.This, Yeah, but that's that one
is sort of my backup plan becauseit's starting to seem like Everest financially might
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not happen next year. So youknow, this is a great backup.
I'll take it. Yeah. Andcan you tell for people who live in
the Bay Area a bit about yoursalon. Yeah, So I own Foundations
Hair and Makeup, which is inCampbell and we are an eco friendly salon.
We're all about saving the planet,so we use organic plant die we
(40:43):
recycle our hair. We recycled everythingwe use here, and we do some
really great hair too. So yeah, yeah, come check us out.
You're a good example with your own. I saw you on Instagram doing a
story where you were putting some coolhighlights in your hair. Yeah. I
actually have some blue in it andquite finish, but that is specifically for
my bike trip. I found outfrom my father that there's a conservative stereotype
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of the blue haired feminist, andso he told me that blue hair specifically
is very polarizing and I should getrid of it. So yeah, so
I'm going to get rid of myblue hair as I ride through Middle America
and throw some blonde in and maybethat'll make people like me a little better.
You gotta play the odds. That'sexactly who knew, Yeah, your
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dad. Yeah, and you've alsobeen doing some awesome content for Weekend Sherpa.
It's just been great, really fun, good stuff. You always come
up with great ideas. What havesome of your favorites been, I mean,
probably all of them, they allare so good. But yeah,
there's a lot of great ones.My absolute favorite actually just did a story
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on I'm extremely biased. I thinkthis is the best trail in the Bay
Area. It is wild Ranch.It's the cliffs at Wilder Ranch. That's
where we did Marathon Day last year. It's just beautiful. You're walking on
top of the cliffs, you cansee the ocean, there's seals and birds,
there's beaches, and it's nice andcool during the summer. I think
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it's just the perfect hike nice.Yeah, well that was beautiful and I
love the beach shots too. AndI thought your weekend sharp. But that
you put in the sand was socool. I was like, this is
logo, this is like I'm goingto be You can see that story on
our site right now. Yeah,so check that out if you haven't listener
or Wilder Ranch Story Wilder Ranch inAnd basically you did a great one on
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Keller the Keller Beach. Is itKeller Beach a hike in or Keller Keller
Beach. Yeah, it was ahike in. That is a Richmond point
and that's where Riggers Loft is too, so you can hike down to the
beach and then you can go winetasting at Riggers Loft. That's a great
story for summer, I know,I know. And you did a cool
(42:57):
bike ride where you ended up atthe Tiki the tiki bar with some cocktail.
Yeah, it was al Amita.I asked them for the remost photogenic
cocktail. It was really good,too good idea, but it's a good
way to phrase it. Well,it's always so good seeing you and how
you want and we can't wait to, you know, try to keep in
touch on you. It sounds likeyou'rena have your laptops, so we'll love
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to get some chickens and maybe we'llbe able to hear from you on the
road at some point. And ifpeople want to follow you and your adventures
on Instagram, what is your handle? My handle is at Heather Werner with
periods between all the syllables. Soactually, if they if they look at
weekend, sure, but they'll probablysee me in your in your lips there,
Yeah, and we'll put it inthe show notes. Too awesome.
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All right, Well, thank youguys for having me to catch up.
Yeah. Absolutely, good luck onyour all of your adventures. Thank you time,
Welcome to the Weekend Trip of podcast. Take it Outside. I'm Brad Day,
I'm Holly Kulak, and yes we'restill here. I'm telling you that
the microphone has dust on it.I just yeah, it's a little dusty
in our podcast set up. Becauseit's been I don't even know how long,
it's been, several months. Wedid take a hiatus. You know.
(00:40):
It's busy. It's been busy.It's been it's been really I mean,
everybody's busy, so it's not butit just was. It just there's
some sometimes something has to give alittle bit, but it's always it's fun
to come back. I'm just goingto be really rusty, but that's all
right. Yeah I'm gonna be rustytoo. But we do have a great
guest coming up in a little bit. We have our writer Heather Warner,
who's been on the show a coupleof times before. She is always off
(01:04):
on really amazing adventures and she's gota couple of of adventures upcoming and some
that have already happened that we getto talk with her about. And that's
a really great conversation, including herNaked and Afraid show. Yeah crazy,
Yeah, So she was on thatshow, and we get to talk with
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her a little bit about it hasn'tcome. It's coming up in fall,
probably is when it's going to air, right, Yeah, hasn't aired yet,
so sneak previews. But how haveyou been, Holly? I'm I'm
I'm good. You know what Ihave to say. I really enjoyed summer
and I feel really lucky because youknow, I know that there's well we
haven't had a wildfire, thankfully.Knock on wood. Yeah, seriously,
(01:46):
we're still got it. Yeah,in California, and I feel like we
didn't get a spring that got skippedand then summer started and I've had a
really really lovely summer. I mean, I've been too into southern Oregon for
work, but also it was letme work is beautiful hikes? What is
southern Oregon? Like? What wouldyou Klamath Falls? And I was in
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Medford area, Grants Pass, Rosebergarea, so like the Highway of water
Falls, and they're very wonderful winecountry and their farm trails. It's just
it's really beautiful. Yeah, Yeah, that was a great trip. You
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said you skipped spring. What happens? We skipped spring? It's just swee
didn't kid spring. No, itdidn't feel kind of crap weather, but
you were you were busy. Imean, you've had you've had an epic
summer of really successful mountain bike ridingafter a terrible injury a year ago,
and we got to spend ten daysin Tahoe because you were doing a race.
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Yeah, No, it's been Yeah, I got I injured myself last
year. I broke my hip inApril and then was kind of off of
the bike for six or seven months, just kind of rehabbing, doing a
lot of physical therapy, getting backon my feet, so to speak.
And one thing I really wanted todo was to come back to competitive bike
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racing, mountain biking and gravel biking. So I was able to start that
off in January of this year,did my first gravel race, and then
started doing some more in the spring, and it kind of went all the
way through until a couple of weeksago with the Tahoe Trail mountain bike race,
which was one hundred kilometer mountain bikerace, like sixty six miles.
It was really really long. It'son a mountain bike, you're not going
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as fast as you are on aroad bike. You know, sixty six
miles on a road bike isn't Imean, it's still a lot, but
it's not that big of a dealon a mountin bike. It's a it's
a long time. It's like fiveand a half hours was my time.
And I was trying to qualify forthis really big, kind of like iconic
mountain bike race that's held at tenthousand feet in Colorado every August. It's
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called Leadville. You may have heardof it, and you have to qualify
for it by doing well in yourage group at certain races throughout the year.
And my age group you had toget top three out of like I
think it was roughly a hundred peoplecompeting. I ended up getting fifth,
just just missed it. So it'skind of bummed about that, but you
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know, that's just the way itworked out. You can always go forward
again next year. But I mean, on the flip side, you know,
it was great to be back,you know, racing, seeing the
same guys that I had seen beforemy injury, being fit again. You
know, just like there's so manybenefits that come along with like having this
obsession of this uh, this hobby. Oh and you did so, I
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mean it was you went to somebeautiful places and you want, you want
a lot of races in your inyour age category. You did, and
congratulations and your modest and you don'twant to say that, but and it's
not always about that, but it'syou know, you had a great,
great season, and I have afeeling Leadville will be on the dock.
We'll see. It's always good tohave something to look forward tone. You
had a lot of fun, youknow, you and your buddy Tim McCarty.
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Shout out to Tim McCarty doesn't listento this podcast, but maybe he
will know U. You know,did a great race up in Bogs Mountain.
Yeah, a two person relay racein Lake County at it's called Bogs
b ogg S and it's a it'sput on by this company called Bike Monkey,
and it was their very first bikerace that they did years ago.
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And they hadn't held that race forquite a while because Lake County got hit
with some wildfires, as a lotof places have in northern California, so
it was on a hiatus and theyfinally brought it back last year and it's
just a really fun, like joyous, just event where it's eight hours of
non stop mountain bike racing and youbasically one person does a lap and then
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another person does a lap and yousee who does the most laps over over
eight hours. So yeah, thatwas one of several races that I did
in twenty twenty three. And it'sjust beautiful places in the outdoors and it's
such a great way mountain Bicking's agreat way to see a lot of stuff
too. You've always talked about thatand you've been getting into it. Oh
yeah, But I mean I'm gonnaI'm not going to say what I might
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try to do next year, butit's not going to be nearly as epic
as you. But it is fun. I like it a lot. It's
good exercise. I mean I'm notI'm not technical, but you know,
there's always room for improvement. Yeah, it's great fitness too. I like
it a lot. It's really good, low impact unless you crash. Yeah.
Two other things. Gus Gus theBulldog is one. Yeah, we
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just celebrated his first birthday a littlewhile ago. He's a real joint.
He's come on like quite a fewgood adventures, Like he came to Bend,
Oregon while you did the Sisters byGrace, which you won and had
like the coolest by Grace beginning ever. Are with the horse running all of
the riders out for that mountain byGrace. That was spectacular and just fun.
(06:54):
Yeah, and a great race.And yeah, Gus was Gus was
along, and Gus was along,and Tahoe's he's kind of a he's pretty
decent in the outdoors and he's nota not a big hiker. But I
really appreciate that Gus likes the biketrailer because we hooked the bike trailer up
to your bike typically and you putGusts in there, and he just he's
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cool with it. You know.Then you can all of a sudden you're
on your bike with your dog goingexploring bike trails and going to brew pubs
and restaurants. And Bend is agreat spot if you've never been. It's
worth checking out. And so isSouthern Oregon. I mean, like that
trip you were saying, just exploringthe Highway of waterfalls in southern issue about
it on our website. Yeah,it just came out if you check check
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out our website. And in theNorthern and the Southern California section of Weekend
Trip, it's called road trip toremember and this one. Yeah, it's
awesome. I mean the glamping placethat we stayed near Crater Lake was really
cool. That was in Klamath Fallskayaking trip, which I you know it
I always view kayaking sometimes is likethat's going to be sometimes stressful. I
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don't know why, just because itcan be right, Like, don't they
call him like divorce makers, likethe two persons like kayaks? I don't
know that's like that. That usedto be the common phrase because couples and
like someone would be upset with theother person. And yeah, it did.
It earned that nickname at a point. But this was like Zen.
It really was. It was socheck out that story on our site.
(08:20):
It's called Zen in the Art ofKayaking. It's in that issue. Yeah,
just beautiful and it really was afantastic, fantastic trip. The other
thing that I'm happy about is moviescame back, like going to the movie
theater with the whole Barbenheimer, Yeahbie, have you seen both of those?
No, I haven't seen Barbie yet. I've seen Oppenheimer twice twice. Yeah,
I want I want to go athird time because I want to see
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it in imax. But I don'tknow if I'll get I'll get to an
imax. I heard they filmed thatmovie and with the imax. Yeah,
yeah, I would really that's I'dlike to see it one more time.
But it's an outstanding movie. Yeah, I like that movie. Yeah,
I liked it a lot too.And I will get to Barbie. It's
playing locally now, which is good. We really have one low theater and
thankfully they had Oppenheimer and so theiropening night. Yeah, and then went
(09:05):
back with some friends. But yeah, Barbenheimer or Barbenheimer. It's just been
great to have people want to goto the movies again. I know,
I do like going to the movies, and I feel like it's changed.
COVID changed the way we kind ofsee movies. It seems like we got
so used to streaming, and Idon't think that's changing really. I think,
you know, people are going tostill go to the movies, but
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I think people are getting more andmore accustomed to watching stuff at home.
I know, but I'm just hoping. I think movies are so special to
go seeing, like it's an eventto go to the movies. Well this
was anyway else, and so Ihope you know what it is. It
just comes down to this, givepeople good movies that aren't like the same
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thing over and over, and likeyou're talking about comic book movies. I
mean some comic book movies are good. I think the Spider Verse one.
I haven't seen that yet, butthat people loved and I'd like to see
that. But it's just the pointto like make good movies that are interesting
and different and make you think,and you know, are entertaining. And
I don't know, people showed thatthey'll go and I'll show its spectacular marketing
(10:09):
around it. But you know that'strue. I love movies and I'm really
glad that they're they're back at themoment. Let's hope it sticks. They're
back, baby. Now let's moveon to the Yosemite Karen's. Does that
sound like a bad, bad likerock band. I think it was seventy
Karens. I know, well whenI said to you a couple of weeks
(10:30):
ago, like did you hear aboutthe Yosemite Karen's? And You're like,
what do you mean? Are theycovering brands Karen's, C, A,
I. R. And that kindof rocks that people that people build and
also Rangers belts. They stack uplike little uh pyramids, exactly the trail.
So when I first saw it wason social media and they had Yosemite
had done a like a little videoof and it was pretty dramatic. I
(10:54):
personally wasn't a fan of it becausethey had someone standing there, you know,
with Karen's and then she dramatically pushedthem all over. This is on
like Yosevities Instagram, social media.Yeah, yeah, and that was yeah
the story I saw, and itwas more about like the leave no trace.
I thought it was okay, wellit's sort of similar. Yeah,
so like the graffiti like leave notrace, like keeping the outdoors pristine.
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But the problem I think with thatis that a lot of times those little
rock piles are set up by rangersactually to mark the trail on places where
there is no obvious trail, likeif you're walking over a granite rock like
you get a lot of that inthe High Sierra right, or there isn't
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an obvious kind of dirt path,you have little rock Karen's set up.
You get this a lot in theSouthwest too, in Utah and rock country
around Arches, canyon Land Zion.You have you know, if you're doing
a really cool trail and all ofa sudden it goes across the red rock.
They'll have little rocks set up,and it's so it's they're kind of
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prolific. I think a lot ofpeople know what they mean, which is
this way to the trail. Theycan be a lifesaver a lot of times.
So I was I was a bitlike taken aback hearing this story about
yosembodies like stands to just knock themover, and I think they were probably
trying to target you know, theselittle rock piles that people set up as
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more kind of artistically artistically, youknow, like you know sometimes you see
them by creeks. I've seen somein some regional parks up here in the
Bay Area where there's like little rockpiles people have set up and it's like
whatever, and you know, there'scertainly worse types of graffiti than rock piles,
but you know, it felt likea little bit of like maybe missing
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the mark for yosembody to do that, because it's you know, those those
times those There's been several instances whereI've seen those rock piles on a trail
and they've helped me guide the wayfor where I'm supposed to be going.
Yeah, I know, well Iwas like that was my thought it too,
because and I don't know if they'veclarified this, but they weren't.
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They sort of said, well,sometimes they are officially put out by rangers,
and there's been some pushback by otheror disagreements from other national parks,
like I know, I think someparks in Utah and the Grand Canyon,
even Joshua Tree National Park, whichdoesn't typically they say they usually don't have
Karen's like official Karen's, but theydo on a few very remote sections apparently,
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and that's put there by the rangers. So if you're saying, you
know, well, there are somethat are there officially from rangers, but
others you know, no, theyjust shouldn't be there. So how are
you really to differentiate? And youhave to think about the casual outdoor enthusiasts,
not somebody who's necessarily aware that actuallythis might be official, Like there's
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no way of knowing that or designatingit other than maybe some experience in the
outdoors. And so you're just encouragingeverybody to just go. I mean,
people are just gonna be like,oh great, like Karen's knock them out,
and they've been so helpful. Samefor me. When you know,
I can think of like in Canada, hiking to Merlin Ridge in like vamp
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National Park and being at this ridgewhen a no storm starts coming in all
of a sudden, and you're like, you know, you remember this,
you were with me getting down thatridge in hail and bad weather. You
had to look for Karen's and imaginesomebody just like, oh, I'm supposed
to knock these over. Yeah.I think that you have to have a
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way of being more clearer about likewhich ones are official and which ones get
knocked down. Yeah, because it'sfree for all. Knocking all these down,
you're gonna that's that's not good.It's also messy. That's leaving a
trace. Knocking down rocks, that'sleaving a trace, kind of I guess.
I guess don't go to Yosemite andthen you'll leave no trace. Yeah,
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what's the deal with Yosemites? Like, are they imposing a reservation system
again? Did I hear that theymight be? I? I think,
you know, I think they Ithink it's on and off. I think
it depends on the season. Idon't know, though I haven't looked it
up lately. I haven't seen anynews about that. Yeah, I would
imagine in summer they probably have to. We missed the I'm sure insane waterfall
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season that was twenty twenty three withall the snow melt. Oh you know
what that reminds me of. There'sa there's a Instagram handle. It's called
Torons of National Parks. I thinkthat's how I think it's supposed to be
a play on morons of National Parks. I could be wrong, but it's
like a tour, but I thinkit's Torons of National Parks, and it's
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people who video other people doing reallydumb things in national parks. So one
of the examples was, I thinkthis was just the other day, a
hiker at the topic of seventy falls, which is like still smashing right now,
is just so beautiful, and helike it was a video of a
guy climbing over the guardrail to getclosed, and at least, yeah,
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it's like, you don't really wantto be on the Torons of National Parks,
if I'm pronouncing that correctly, Orlike there's a bear in Montana,
a grizzly bear that was eating alike an elk. And you know how
protective grizzlies are, yea. Andall these people were out of their cars
standing there watching. Oh my god, it's like watching a grizzly bear.
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Yeah. I feel like I've seenso many stories this summer of tourists getting
like like Gord, maybe not Gord, but they've been hit by bison in
Yellowstone. I know. I know, there's only so many signs you can
put up that say, you know, don't get close to the bison,
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but people just don't follow those thatadvice, which is why I think that
everyone's just going to go knock overe with Karen. That even looks like
it could be official. You like, can like watch me do this.
I'm gonna, you know, dramaticallyknock over this. I think it's funny
that other National parks had to retortto Yosemite's advice of knocking over the rock
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piles, because I did see that. Yeah, like you said, I
think it was canyon Lands or Archesor one of them in Utah. Yeah.
Yeah, we're like, yeah,we don't want you doing that in
this park. Yeah. Well theycan be very very helpful. I mean,
do you remember doing that just spectacularhike that you chose, and it
was in Canyon Lands at Needles.Yeah, and you needed Karen's like,
it's just vast desert in parts andyou have to be able to look and
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there's no discernible trail. It's justlike route, follow this route one rock
pile to the next. I'm surethey're going to find a way to clarify
that. And we love you,so, I mean, it's a great
part. Just I thought that wassuch a I thought it was a bit
of a miss, and how itwas communicated and delivering it more thought.
Yeah, well, and you knowI have to for anyone newly listening,
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I always I grew up in Canadaand so I always have Canadian that's fifty
two episodes in a row. Ialways have Canadian content. But no,
really like the fires in Canada talkingabout carbon foot print, like it,
uh, it's terrible right now.And I was listening to another podcast and
it's just The New York Times Daily, which had a great episode but like,
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you know, very sobering about theso they say, you know,
as of today, early August,it's about thirty million acres in Canada that
are just on fire. Sires.Yeah, and they estimate it could be
up to fifty million. And it'sa fascinating it's it's well worth a listen,
just in terms of fire. Howyou know, what we're dealing with
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today with fires and how for example, like we don't talk you know,
we used to say fire weather meantconditions are right for a fire to start,
and now it means, oh,actually it creates its own weather.
It creates tornadoes, it creates lightning. So like it's just it's it's bizarre.
And how fighting the fight, Likewe're always like, oh, we
can get better, and it's kindof like it's it's it's so complicated and
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so difficult with how hot these firesget and and what you can do.
And it was saying that if wildfiresthe person they were interviewing was saying that
if wildfires were a country, thenthey'd be the fourth largest output of carbon
in the world. Wow, whichis like it's so disconcerting. And you
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know, I mean, you know, British Columbia has really got a lot
of fires right now, and Imean it's everywhere, but you know,
just hopefully it can at a pointthey're like they almost have to just wait
for what they call like a weatherevent, like let some of them just
go and try to protect infrastructure,save people's lives, save towns, but
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they have to kind of let itin some cases not. I guess we're
on its course, but keep goinguntil something like there's rain or winter comes.
Yeah, it's really something. It'sreally crazy. I was driving last
week. I was driving in SonomaValley on Highway twelve going up to Santa
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Rosa, and I saw a firethat had just started, and I was
like, Oh, that's got tobe a control burn, right because it
had just started, and you know, it was kind of like middle of
the day. I don't know,it was like three pm on a Wednesday.
And the closer I got to itand I'm like, oh, that
was that's right underneath a power line. And then I look up at the
power line and the power line thathas these like these metal cylindrical kind of
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things at the very top of thepower line, and that was smoking.
Oh so it like that had caughtfire somehow and had dropped sparks or something
down on the ground, and thatwas the fire I was seeing. And
I'm like, we gotta do betterwith the power lines on not starting fires
like we're already have. We havean environment that's just ripe for wildfires,
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and we have this like decades oldequipment that is like just lighting the match,
so to speak, for these wildfires. And you know, when I
drove back like an hour later,there were just like fire engines all over
the place, and it was thefire had been put out, but you
know, if that had been alittle bit more remote, you know,
where somebody hadn't seen it from theside of the highway, Like I called
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nine one one and I'm like,hey, there's a fire. It looks
like a power line ignited it.And they're like, Okay, thank you.
It looks like they somebody had alreadycalled it in before me. But
just it's crazy because that is sooften how these wildfires, at least in
California have started. I mean,occasionally it is you know, dry lightning.
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I think that happened a couple ofyears ago, but more often than
not, it's the power lines.And it's like, we got to get
that shit figured out, Like wecannot keep lighting our state or our country
on fire because we're not investing inlike better equipment to stop wildfires, Like
like the climate change has caught up. We're here like what like you were
saying, wildfire season is a longass season now, now, Yeah,
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so what can we do? Well, we can start with that. That's
one thing we can do for sure. We're certainly paying enough to our power
on our power bills these days.At least they can invest a little bit
more in upgrading their equipment, whichI think they are. But yeah,
I see them out a lot.I do see, you know, and
it's like, uh, I thinkI think it's just it's a massive job,
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like it's a massive infrastructure. Yeah, well it all caught up to
us in the last few years andit's like, okay, so those decades
of not doing anything are now here, so now you have to play massive
catch up. Yeah, and Ido see them doing it, which is
good, you know, But yeah, it's it's a it's a lot of
food thought. We haven't had wehaven't had a lot of the smoke from
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Canada. But I think the EastCoast is really I remember that like a
month or two ago, they werereally good hit. Just the health impacts
of that too. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot.
But on a brighter note, wehave a great guest coming up with
Heather Werner, very inspirational, yes, talking about her adventures. Who's also
a writer for for a Weekend Sure, and she's done some really great stories
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for us recently, and we talka little bit about that. But let's
get to it. Here's Heather.It's great to see you, Heather.
Great to see you, Heather.Hey, guys, good to see you.
Thanks for having me. Yeah,it's been a while since we had
you on the podcast. It's beena while since we've done a podcast,
and you've been on so many differentadventures. I think the last adventure you
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were on when we had when youhad you on the podcast was was DENIALI
right, yeah, yep. Ihad just gotten off and we're still in
recovery from that, so yeah,that was last summer. Gosh, it
has been a while, was it. Don't say that because we've done podcasts
since then, but we took aslight hiatus. We're back and it's really
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great to have you on again.It's it's always fun to see you.
I feel like you recovered fast becausesince then you were just like doing all
of these incredible adventures starting with andyou can let me know what we're allowed
to talk about. But starting withthe reality TV show, Yeah, I
did something very outside my comfort zone. I went on the TV show Naked
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and Afraid, which I'm totally fineif other people want to be naked,
but I have a problem with myown nudity. So that was definitely like
a big leap for me. Butthey reached out. A casting director found
me on Instagram, and I thought, what an opportunity because I teach survival
skills to the Girl Scouts and oneof the big things I have an issue
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with is the survivalist stereotype where it'sex military, you know, big burly
guys. They probably have a doomsdaybunker and a home armory. You know,
there's a very specific stereotype that goeswith that, and I'm always trying
to sort of counteract that. SoI thought, all right, if I
go on Naked and Afraid, I'mjust a hairstylist, you know, I'm
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just a normal person. So ifI can do it and make it all
the way through, then you know, that will hope fully show that anyone
could learn these skills. So that'sawesome. Yeah. Yeah, So so
I gave it a shot and weshowed up and I was I can say
this because this was actually in acommercial and seeing yourself naked on TV and
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a commercial, I thought I wasready. I was not ready. It's
it's horrifying. Nothing prepares you forthat. Well, you know, Brad
had, I've I've never watched it, but I'm definitely gonna watched your your
season. And but brad Head onthe other night, like at random,
I don't think you've ever seen methere? And I can't, and I'm
like, is Heather in this one? Is Heather there? I was like,
we were looking for you, butlike, uh, that's that's super
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impressive. That's that's it. Wasn'tyou. We didn't see you? So
I don't know when when you're whenyou're season? Like when is when is
your season airing? Is it isseason or episodes or how does it work?
So we are in just one episode, but we had a they call
it a tribe episode. It's fourpeople instead of the normal two. So
we're going to get I think alonger than normal episode like our own little
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movie. Oh, we won't bein we won't be in one of the
whole season long ones. Oh sowhen does that do you know when that
airs, they think everything's kind ofup in the air with the writer strike,
but they think this fall, thisfall cool and it's going to be
Instead of the normal two team situation, it's four person teams. But it's
still a competition. No so nakedand afraid. They have different seasons that
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they run and the normal season,which is kind of what we were doing.
It's cooperative, there's no competition,there's no grand prize at the end.
You work together. And what Iloved about our team we had three
women and one guy, and everyonewas kind of like me, just a
normal person. We had no professionalsurvivalist or anything like that. We had
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a chef, a teacher, apersonal trainer. And I think if my
mission going in was to show thatthese skills are for everyone, I could
not have asked for a better groupof people. That's awesome. Oh that
is so cool. That's so interesting. And are you allowed to say where
you were, like where the locationis or is? I can say that
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we were in Africa, I can'tget more specific. Oh that's a big
Continent's a big continent. No,But I think that's such a great Like
you're you're such a good inspiration andwhat a great attitude to go in with.
I mean, I have zero survivalskills too. I was on a
run this morning and I like cameupon a snake and like freaked out,
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scream, jumped over it, dideverything wrong, and I was like,
this isn't I did that in Australiatoo, you know where they're really poisonous.
They're like just try to calm,be calm, And I would see
one and freak out and do it. I'm like, I don't think i'd
make it. So I'm gonna watchyou and learn how it's really done.
You should you should attend our girlScout classes. Has learned more than the
kids do. I know, youknow what, I bet I can see
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that. I can absolutely see that. And is this the crew that you
went in spring? You climbed Shastathis past sprain just a few months ago,
were you with some of your crew? The Naked and Afraid women have
been super tight post show. Soright after we finished filming, the three
women went to Hawaii to do abackpacking trip and then just a few weeks
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ago one of the gals came hereto climb Shasta, which was we had
six women total, and it wasa newbie intro to mountaineering expedition and they
did so amazing. So this wastheir first time wearing crampons, using an
ice axe, climbing in snow andice, and it was I thought they
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did fantastic. Shasta has about aseventy percent failure rate. It's ridiculously high.
Yeah, so going in with fivenewbies, that could have gone horribly
wrong, and there's a ton ofrockfall, Shasta can be surprisingly dangerous.
And five people made it to thesummit. Everyone learned how to self arrest,
so if you fall down the mountain, they had to learn how to
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stop themselves, the acts, howto kick into the ice, and we
even did a little bit of iceclimbing near the summit, and you know,
they were nervous, but they gaveit their all and they did great.
And you were the leader for this. Yes, that's amazing. Good
for you. Well, Brad,you've climbed Shasta. I did. Yeah,
that was a long time ago.It was like right after I graduated.
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It was like a graduation trip witha friend of mine. And I
do remember like renting the gear inthe town of Mount Shasta. I forget
the name of the sports shop,but you rented the stuff, and I
found it somewhat surprising that you wouldjust like you go in and you rent
what you need for a somewhat technicalkind of hike. I mean, this
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is more than just like being ona trail and going up to the summit.
It's like you get to at thattime of year. I think it
was in mid June. There waslike snow at that first place you camp.
I think it was at Lake Helenor Feet somewhere around there. Yeah,
And it was just like putting onthe cramp in the ice acs and
using all that equipment, which Ihadn't really used a heck of a lot
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before, and neither had my friend. And you know, there's no necessarily
tutorials at the place where you rentedit. Again, this was like over
twenty years ago. I don't knowif it's different now, but oh no,
it's it's still that way, stillthat way. It's fifth season,
right, that's where everyone gets y. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they
give you your gear and just sendyou out. Yeah, totally, but
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yeah, no, wearing a helmetwas very crucial because of you know,
people above you and and all that. But I remember we did it.
That was you were talking about thefailure rate. That was my second attempt.
The first time we went was inlike September and there was like hardly
any snow, and that just wasso slow going. It's like take one
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step forward and two steps back.It felt like with all the rock screen
that was super loose. So yeah, that was kind of a learning lesson,
just like knowing the right season totry to do some of these things.
And it's it's really cool that you'reable to take out, you know,
a group of six people and showthem you know, how to how
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to make these adventures happen. Iwish I would have had somebody like you
to show me seriously. And youcan do guided trips, right, do
they have guides? Yep, thereare guides that will take you up if
you've never done it before, because, like you said, the gear shop,
they're great for giving you gear,but there's no instruction. You just
have to figure it out. Andpeople people die on Shasta, people do
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fall, so it's good to ifit's your first climb, go with a
guide or with someone who knows whatthey're doing. Yeah, And so when
was that trip we went in lateJune which is late in the season,
and up above the Red Banks itwas completely snow free. It was all
screwed the whole way up and kindof like what you went through, and
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it was it was slow going.Yeah, every step you take you're just
sliding back in the sand. Ohyeah, but pretty amazing for you.
From the summit, I remember,Oh yeah, gorgeous. We got really
dramatic summit photos, which I washappy with because then they have this cool
souvenir like, look what I did. Really, that's so cool. And
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now you have another big adventure comingup on a bike. Can you tell
us about that. Yeah, Iam going to bicycle from Canada to Mexico
and this will be my second crossthe USA trip. In twenty eleven,
I did from the Atlantic Ocean inJacksonville, Florida to Pacific. I ended
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in Carmel, California, and Ifigured, you know, you gotta dot
your eyes and cross your teeth.So I'm gonna go top to bottom now
and I'm going to see the middleof the country because Nebraska, Kansas,
Iowa. I mean, I'll neverdo a separate vacation just to get out
there. So I'm going to seethem all in one swoop. You don't
want to take that nice vacation toNebraska. As great as it sounds,
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I think this is the way togo. This is the way to go.
That's gonna be so cool. Sohow long is that going to take?
You think if I was really bombingalong super motivated, I could do
it in the shortest three weeks.But I'm guessing the four to five weeks.
I have this horrible, recurring daydream of trying to outrun a tornado.
I think the weather's going to bejust that's what's gonna slow me down.
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Thunderstorms, possible tornadoes, hail.You know, it's the most supported
like how is are you completely selfsufficient? Will you be alone? Are
you gonna have to call us froma phone booth in a small town to
like Philip in on what's going on? Remember early Andy Skirt did years ago?
Is that? How is it goingto work? I will be completely
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alone. I actually asked a fewfriends to come with me, and they're
like, oh, yeah, that'dbe a great ride. Thinking I was
going to go through Washington, Oregon, California. When I mentioned where the
root was, everyone failed immediately.So I will bet I'll be carrying my
camping gear, tent, sleeping bag, all that, and I'll just pull
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off when I'm tired for the dayand set up camp, and as soon
as the sun comes up, I'mback on the road. And I do
have a partnership with Jamis Bikes,which is awesome. I rode on my
first cross country trip, I rodea Jamie's bike, and so on this
trip I was going to use thesame exact bike. So I wrote to
them and I was like, Hey, what a wouldn't this be a cool
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story? You're the same bike hascrossed the country twice. That shows the
longevity of your bikes, how greatyour product is. And they were like,
yeah, that's really cool. Buthow would you like a new bike?
So yeah, even better, evenbetter. So I'm going to be
riding a Jaymiss Renegade for this trip, so same company, but this is
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more of a gravel off road bike, which is great. So if there's
a bike trail, you know,sometimes they're paved, sometimes they're not,
I can get off the road andexplore the trip a bit. Yeah.
So I mean as far as likethe luggage and carrying all that. Logistically,
you have all the panniers, andall the all this stuff that's going
to be a that's like a heavybike, right like once you have it
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all loaded up. Yeah, Sothe entire load I just waited is about
sixty five pounds with the saddle bagsattached, all the gear inside. I'm
bringing my laptop so I can likeedit video and photos. It's just a
lot of junk. Yeah. SoI've got the solar charger because you know,
you have no idea if you're goingto find a McDonald's to plug into
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or something. So yeah, it'sa lot of stuff you need. But
total sixty five is kind of aboutwhere I wanted to land. It's just
harder to get to get any lighter. And when when does this trip start
again? August thirteenth. I'm goingto fly out to North Dakota and a
local bike shop actually offered to giveme a ride. It's about seventy miles
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to the border, so the ownerof the bike shop is going to bring
me up there and drop me offand I'll cross into Canada, take my
photo, and then cross right backand start riding. Oh that's awesome.
That'd be super fun. That isAnd is Chris gonna be able to meet
you at any point or so yougonna wait for you at the end and
cheer you on. If he doesthe whole way, I don't know.
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So he scared the Bejesus out ofme. My first ride, I was
in the middle of New Mexico desert. I hadn't seen anyone for hours,
and a van drives by and pullsoff on the side of the road and
I was like, okay, justyou know, stay calm, it's fine.
And a guy gets out and startswalking towards me, and I was
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like, oh my god, I'mgonna die out here. And I got
closer and it was my husband.Oh, what a great surprise. You
could even have bear strand either.So I don't know if he's going to
be cute and try to pull thesame trick twice. But he is not
scheduled to meet me at any pointof this ride. Okay, okay,
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that's fantastic. I'm I mean,I don't eat. I'm trying to think
of the way to word this,but like, your sense of adventure is
so incredible and admirable. What wouldyou tell like other women who want to
try these things, and you know, like ore think, well, I
can't do that, or I don'thave any experience me. It's kind of
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what you were talking about about nakedand afraid. But what advice would you
give to women who are like Ireally you know, I'd like to do
something alone and they do it alot. I mean, you see them
backpacking. It's not to say it, but what advice would you would you
give? Yeah, the biggest thingthat people will say to me is,
oh, I wish I could doit, but I'm too scared, And
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I think people have maybe the wrongidea. I'm scared too. I am
always scared. I'm always so nervous. But what I do is I just
say, all right, I'm gonnado this, and I tell everyone so
that I'm being held accountable to sayI'm gonna bike across the country. And
then one you've said it and it'sout there, you have to start taking
those concrete steps. So it's justthat first step of bravery, like telling
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people, yes, I'm gonna dothis, I'm gonna make it happen,
and then it's just all those littlebaby steps to actually get to that point.
So don't think that these adventurous peoplethat they're not scared. We are.
You just have to take it stepby step, make an actual concrete
plan for how to get through it, and you'll kind of ease your way
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into how scary things are. Ithink that's such great advice because I think
that's so true, right, Thatis a lot of people's looking at me
like, it's true. You cantalk yourself out of a lot of things,
exactly, It's so true. Theother adventure that I know is on
your bucket list is going back toEverest. Have you scheduled for when that's
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gonna happen? I haven't, andpart of that is naked and afraid.
So we have very specific rules aboutgetting sponsors, getting film that sort of
thing, and I'm under contract withthem for another year or so, so
that kind of cuts into what Ibecause you know, Everest costs a million
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a million dollars. It costs alot of money, and it's hard to
go there as a hairstylist without somesort of outside help. So I'm debating
pushing it off for another year justwhen I can fully approach sponsors and you
know, not have any other commitments. So what I'm thinking for next year
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now that I have jamis, who'slike, really ready to support all these
trips I want to do. Isif I can't do Everest next year,
I'm looking at biking the Marco PoloRoute, the Silk Road, which goes
from Istanbul, Turkey all the wayto Beijing, China. That's a yeah,
a four thousand mile route. Itlooks amazing. It goes through some
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kind of dicey areas, but thereare all too roots where you can avoid
the Taliban and that sort of thing. Dicey okay, but politically dicey right
for going to avoid the Taliban.This, Yeah, but that's that one
is sort of my backup plan becauseit's starting to seem like Everest financially might
(40:20):
not happen next year. So youknow, this is a great backup.
I'll take it. Yeah. Andcan you tell for people who live in
the Bay Area a bit about yoursalon. Yeah, So I own Foundations
Hair and Makeup, which is inCampbell and we are an eco friendly salon.
We're all about saving the planet,so we use organic plant die we
(40:43):
recycle our hair. We recycled everythingwe use here, and we do some
really great hair too. So yeah, yeah, come check us out.
You're a good example with your own. I saw you on Instagram doing a
story where you were putting some coolhighlights in your hair. Yeah. I
actually have some blue in it andquite finish, but that is specifically for
my bike trip. I found outfrom my father that there's a conservative stereotype
(41:09):
of the blue haired feminist, andso he told me that blue hair specifically
is very polarizing and I should getrid of it. So yeah, so
I'm going to get rid of myblue hair as I ride through Middle America
and throw some blonde in and maybethat'll make people like me a little better.
You gotta play the odds. That'sexactly who knew, Yeah, your
(41:31):
dad. Yeah, and you've alsobeen doing some awesome content for Weekend Sherpa.
It's just been great, really fun, good stuff. You always come
up with great ideas. What havesome of your favorites been, I mean,
probably all of them, they allare so good. But yeah,
there's a lot of great ones.My absolute favorite actually just did a story
(41:54):
on I'm extremely biased. I thinkthis is the best trail in the Bay
Area. It is wild Ranch.It's the cliffs at Wilder Ranch. That's
where we did Marathon Day last year. It's just beautiful. You're walking on
top of the cliffs, you cansee the ocean, there's seals and birds,
there's beaches, and it's nice andcool during the summer. I think
(42:15):
it's just the perfect hike nice.Yeah, well that was beautiful and I
love the beach shots too. AndI thought your weekend sharp. But that
you put in the sand was socool. I was like, this is
logo, this is like I'm goingto be You can see that story on
our site right now. Yeah,so check that out if you haven't listener
or Wilder Ranch Story Wilder Ranch inAnd basically you did a great one on
(42:37):
Keller the Keller Beach. Is itKeller Beach a hike in or Keller Keller
Beach. Yeah, it was ahike in. That is a Richmond point
and that's where Riggers Loft is too, so you can hike down to the
beach and then you can go winetasting at Riggers Loft. That's a great
story for summer, I know,I know. And you did a cool
(42:57):
bike ride where you ended up atthe Tiki the tiki bar with some cocktail.
Yeah, it was al Amita.I asked them for the remost photogenic
cocktail. It was really good,too good idea, but it's a good
way to phrase it. Well,it's always so good seeing you and how
you want and we can't wait to, you know, try to keep in
touch on you. It sounds likeyou'rena have your laptops, so we'll love
(43:19):
to get some chickens and maybe we'llbe able to hear from you on the
road at some point. And ifpeople want to follow you and your adventures
on Instagram, what is your handle? My handle is at Heather Werner with
periods between all the syllables. Soactually, if they if they look at
weekend, sure, but they'll probablysee me in your in your lips there,
Yeah, and we'll put it inthe show notes. Too awesome.
(43:42):
All right, Well, thank youguys for having me to catch up.
Yeah. Absolutely, good luck onyour all of your adventures. Thank you time,
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