59. Holidays the California Way

With the holiday season full steam ahead, Brad and Holly are joined by Weekend Sherpa contributing content creator Yvonne Pasquini, talking about what to do outdoors with friends, family, furry pals, or going solo this season. From day trips with apple cider, donuts, wine, bike trails, and beers, to the best fall foliage, sunset spots, picnic areas, stairway hikes, beaches, and festive restaurants, here's a collage of California fun.

Follow Yvonne Pasquini @yvonne_pasquini

Links to a few of the places discussed:

NorCal
El Dorado Bike Trail
Apple Hill Adventures
Purisima Creek Redwoods
Windy Hill
Wildcat Camp
Samuel P Taylor State Park
Napa Valley Bike Ride
Petaluma Tree Farm

SoCal
Hollywood Heights
Echo and Elysian Park
Hetch Hetchy Backpacking
Baldwin Hills
Will Rogers State Park
Catalina Island

Episode Transcript

(00:18):
Welcome to the Weekend schrip Of podcast. Take it outside. I'm brad Day,
I'm holly Day. Happy Holidays,Happy Thanksgiving. Can you smell the
turkey cooking? Or is that thethe mashed potatoes? Maybe the stuffing the

(00:39):
green beans with little bits of baconin it. That's your favorite? Oh
my god, I love all ofit. It's such a good holiday.
Is it your favorite holiday? What'syour what's your favorite? I will celebrate
there is Thanksgiving. It's in October. It's not quite the fanfare that it
is in the United States, butI love the season. I love November,

(01:03):
December, and Christmas is my favoriteholiday. Christmas number one is Thanksgiving
and number two or fourth of July. Probably I haven't thought about it.
Pressures on me. Okay, youget back to me on that. But
happy holidays to everybody. Happy holiday. We have a great it's already here.
We have a great episode today becausewe get to speak with our good

(01:26):
friend, Adventure extraordinaire Yvonne Pasquini.I love Yvonne. Yeah, it's the
first time we've had her on thepodcast, and she's fantastic. She gives
us some tips and some of herfavorite holiday Thanksgiving centric outings down in southern
California. I know, it's justso good if you're if you're listening and

(01:47):
you're in Los Angeles, even ifyou're in northern California. She just talks
a lot about Los Angeles outdoors andher renewed sort of her new take on
LA after moving there from New YorkCity and having quite an adjustment and just
the appreciation of the outdoors and whatLos Angeles has to offer that is,
you know, much different than Ithink when she first arrived what she anticipated.

(02:12):
So it's just an awesome conversation.She also talked about kind of being
new to the outdoors or you know, backpacking in particular, and she talks
about her first backpacking trip, whichwill keep a secret so that you continue
to listen tune in. That willbe the second second half of this podcast.
But do you remember my first backpackingtrip? Your first backpacking trip?
Yeah, that was, Oh itis either the Napoli Coast in Hawaii or

(02:39):
was it in the Canadian Rock?I actually the same thing. Was it
Helmet Falls? No, it wasHawaii, It was Hawaii, it was
Nepali Coast. Yeah, bastly basilypacking trip to take. We went into
that pretty naively, or at leastI did. You'dn't been backpacking before,
so it was all on me rightto make sure ever I'm getting it right,

(02:59):
but it was. I mean,we did this a long time ago,
and yeah, that is a that'sa hard, hard hike. I
want to consider one of the hardest, at least in the country, if
not in North America, if notlike the world, among the hardest.
It's really hard and you don't necessarilythink Hawaii and like really hard things to

(03:22):
do, but it's this. Thisfalls into that category. But it's also
extremely unique as far as backpacking tripsgo, and just absolutely beautiful. It's
on the island of Kawai Nepoly Coasts. A lot of people have been there,
you know, for like a daytrip or you do like that one
mile hike in but if you gothe full hike and I don't remember what

(03:43):
it was like maybe ten miles.I think it's eleven is it eleven?
I think? So, yeah,that gets you all the way back.
It's the Kalahua Trail, and itgets you all the way back there.
It's basically where the trail ends andthen you camp out on the beach and
it's at a waterfall. There's awaterfall there. I mean, all those
shots that you see. I thinkmaybe it was using the like the opening
scenes of like Jurassic Park and stufflike that. Like it is just lush

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and beautiful. You're like on thebeach, there's a waterfall. You have
to hike to get back to it. It's but it's super hard. It's
like it's up, it's down,it's humid, it's hot. There's like
a section of it that's very narrow. I forget what they call it.
It's like at mile seven miles seven, mile eight, and it just it
drops pretty far down. It looksa lot more dramatic like on like if

(04:30):
you look it up on YouTube andstuff, it looks more dramatic than it
actually is when you're when you're walkingit. But still like you approach that
section where it drops down to theocean and it's like there's not enough room
for two people to really pass eachother. That was that was that was
challenging. I mean, the wholething was was was hard, but it
was I mean, it's such amemorable backpacking experience. Just if you do

(04:54):
it, just make sure you stayat least two nights back there, because
we only stayed one, and whenwe turned back the next day to come
back in the morning, it wasit was daunting, daunting. I started
crying within the first five minutes.Yeah, why we just started thank you
for trying to spare my No Idid, I mean I it was I

(05:15):
was so tired. It was agreat experience overall and super memorable, but
coming out I couldn't believe within aboutthe first five minutes because we left by
eight am and it was already hot, and then we had to kind of
go up this hill to start,and I remember I just turned to you
and just started crying. Yeah,and you get something. You get all
interesting types at least back then thatwould go back there right like I don't

(05:36):
know if they've cleared this out,but they used to have like a mayor
back there, almost like Lord ofthe Flies. Like guys would walk back
there and they'd just be wearing like, you know, like their crocs and
what do you call those Hawaiian skirtsas they like so so wrong, Yeah,
something like that. And I rememberthis one guy was wearing crocs srong

(05:59):
and he had like a bag ofgrains and he was just going back to
go live for weeks, and I'mlike, oh, I wonder if that
guy's going to be the mayor.Well. Probably starting the hike, we
were encountered people who had hunted awild boar. Yeah, there were dogs
coming down the trail hun What isgoing on back here? This is crazy?

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Yeah, I mean, yeah,it was beautiful. But that was
my very first experience. And ina way, I think it's a good
thing that I was so naive becauseI almost didn't know any better. Like
I wasn't very scared of those dropoffs, where now I would be because
I'd be just so much more awareof Like the more you do this stuff,
the more you know you might encountera problem. Right, And then

(06:44):
just seeing the tally of deaths,we also were lucky because we had good
weather for it. Did you justsay the tally of deaths? They tally
deaths on like I think it's atleast I'm pretty sure I took a photo
of this on one of the signposts like towards the beach to show,
like I think it's to let peopleknow hallucinated that. But I don't think
you're right. But I don't thinkit's from people dying on the hiking trail.

(07:04):
I think it's people dying going intothe water because there's a riptide.
It's not it's not a super place, safe place to Well, yeah,
I think they have a number.I think that's it's just it's a tough
hike. It's a tough one.If you plan for it, go do
it. Not do Yeah, yeah, go do it. We just sold
it. But not all backpacking tripshave to be like beastly and beefy and

(07:29):
and hard. That you can doreally beautiful, easy backpacking trips in California.
There's just there's a lot of options. Point Raises a great place to
start a backpacking trip if you've neverdone it before. I think the first
campground at like Coast Camp or Skycampyou can get to within a few miles.
So it's they don't you know,there's there's a lot of options,

(07:53):
but it's those hard ones that arealways better story stories at the end,
right, everything was that yeah theno, But you're right, I like,
I think Point Raises a perfect one. Coast Camp and then what do
you think of Wildcat Camp? Ohthat's great, so hard to get Yeah,
No, Wildcat Camp is a hardone to get, and you can
start over by you get Alameir Falls, which is super popular. But what's

(08:18):
great about camping at Wildcat is thatyou can access Alamere Falls and alamer Falls
is if you don't know it's awaterfall and point raise, it just jumps
off of a cliff like fifty feetright onto a beach. It's just super
dramatic and photogenic and it's absolutely beautifuland super popular as a day hike.
But if you camp at Wildcamp Wildcat, it's only like a mile away if

(08:41):
that might might even be less,and you can just like walk down the
beach at sunset and go see AlamereFalls. It's just magical. You helped
arrange a bachelor a bachelor bachelor tripsout. It is like a bachelor party.
Yeah, and you guys did nothave it planned, you didn't have
it booked. It was kind oflast minute. So what did you guys
do to get to get that campsite? So we went to the ranger station

(09:03):
about like, I don't know,maybe thirty minutes before they opened. I
think they opened at eight or theyopened at nine or something like that.
We arrived early, got you know, we're waiting for them to open,
and then they they hold on toa certain number of day of permits for
their campsites. You can reserve aheadfor sure, but those go pretty fast.

(09:24):
So it was, you know,it was past the point we weren't
going to get it by booking itand reserving it, so we just did
the day of. But if you'regoing to go that route, you got
to get there early to try toget get a permit. And you guys
got it. We got it.That's super cool. That's a great tip.
Great tip. Great tip. Youcan also another good one is just
kayaking across Tamalas Bay. You canlike rent kayaks and kayak across Tama's Bay

(09:46):
and camp right on the beach.What's the beach there, Marshall, I
think it's Marshall. Yeah, that'sreally fun. That was one of one
of the first things I did whenI moved to San Francisco way back in
the day. Totally see it.Yeah, along with you went out to
Wine Country and had lunch at aw and then you drove a mile down
the road and saw that they hadgot's roadside. Oh, I mean,

(10:07):
I was so bummed. I'm like, oh God, there's God's Roadside is
so good. I'm just so gladthat you went to I thought it was
so cool that you just drove outto Wine Country like you're solo, and
at least that's what you tell me. You were solo, just going to
check out to check Napa. Sospeaking of solo, so we're going to
talk a bit about some like theholidays and you know Thanksgiving people are visiting,

(10:30):
or you know, you have afriend you're doing Friendsgiving, or you're
like I just kind of want tohang out with my dog, or I'm
going to have some alone time.Right, So let's talk about some hikes
in all those capacities, Like wherewhere would you hike Brad in the Bay
Area for some alone time? Forsome alone time, You're just like,

(10:50):
yeah, that's a good question.I mean there's just so many great hikes,
Like I right off of Skyline Boulevardin the Peninsula, there's so many
open trail or open spaces to access. I mean, you have Windy Hill,
you have El Corte de Madera,you have Parisma. There's just it's
it's a fantastic highway for going hiking. And so yeah, and fall colors

(11:15):
at Windy Hill is actually really good. Windy Hill. You get both,
you get the fall colors on thesunset. Yeah, that's true. It's
a good spot if you start offthe Skyline Boulevard trail hut. But what
I was gonna say was Parisma Creekis a really that's a really beautiful open
space. It's a little closer onthe northern side of Skyline Boulevard, and

(11:37):
yeah, you can like make justan awesome loophike down there. It's a
little longer, I think when theone we recommended a few years ago was
like maybe seven eight or nine miles. You go down Whitmore Gulch and then
you come back up Prisma Creek andthen there's that single track trail that's kind
of like hugs the canyon and goesthrough the redwoods, and it's just really
really cool and beautiful. I thinkit's Craig Craig Britain Trail, but that

(12:01):
that's a really nice, beautiful spot. You could get some nice fall colors
there right now, and it's justa good spot to go maybe get some
some alone time. That is areally good one. I have not thought
about prismon a while, and that'sone I would love to revisit. We'll
have all of us in our shownotes as well. What about you,
where do you well? I thinkalways of like staying kind of local and

(12:22):
maybe going to I love the OverlookedTrail in Sonoma because I live in Sonoma,
so it's very easy for me toget to. It's right behind the
plaza and it's just a short beautifulhike up to an incredible view of the
valley and you can see all theway to San Francisco and Mount tam On
clear days, there's like a benchto hang out at. There's beautiful oaks,

(12:43):
fall colors. I mean, they'llhave them, it's not I wouldn't
say it's the top pick for that. Plus you're close to all of the
wineries that are on the plaza,someone which stay openly, Like there's actually
a couple of new ones that haveopened and I can't remember the names,
but they're right on the plaza andthey're staying open. And tell eight at
night, you got a lot ofoptions for wine if you come up to
Sonoma that that's for sure. Andyou have the plaza too, even if

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you just want to hang out onthe plaza and maybe have a glass of
wine or bring your own bottle ofwine right because you can actually drink legally
in the plaza. It's something thatSonoma is very proud about. That's a
great one. You know, keepingat locals is fun if you have family
along, or you know you're familiescoming into town, or you're just like,

(13:28):
all right, let's get out ofthe house and go do something for
Thanksgiving. You know one one placethat's really good to go do that that
never gets old every time I gohere. I just I love it is
Angel Island. And what makes thatsuch a crowd pleaser is you get the
you get a ferry ride included,right, you get to go right across
San Francisco Bay, guaranteed to getgood views from on that ferry ride.

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But I mean once you get outon Angel Island, then you just have
a ton of options. You canlike stick right there where the ferry drops
you off at Iola Cove, orif you have you know, hikers in
your group, you can go hikeup to the top of Mount Livermore,
which is the peak on Angel Island, and that's not too far of a
hike and you get tremendous views fromup there you get the three Bridge review.

(14:13):
You can see a Richmond Bridge,Bay Bridge and the Golden Gate Bridge.
And then if you have bikes,I don't know if they rent them
there in the off season, butyou can always bring your own bikes and
you can ride around that paved perimetertrail. That's a fantastic, beautiful bike
ride. That's such a great suggestion. You're right, because that's a crowd
pleaser for everyone, even those whoare like I don't like hiking or I

(14:35):
don't want to go up towards You'rejust gonna be so happy you went because
at the cove you can picnic.Yeah, and you're right, you can
do You can even walk around perIt would take you a long time.
But you could go to Pearls Beach. Oh yeah, that's a good one.
That's under the radar. Yeah,that's under the radar, and it
just has the most spectacular view ofthe bridge and Alcatraz. You got to

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look that up on our site.Yeah, the Pearls Beacha p E R
L E S L and it is. It's just great. But that's a
great one. It didn't even occurto me. See, this is why
we do this because soti as youare thinking what can I do when my
family's in town. That's a goodone. That's a really good one.
Where else. Well, you know, I don't like that you want more.

(15:22):
I just man, I'm sure you'vegot more. Okay, I'll go,
I'll go. Are you not entertained? No? I like Samuel P.
Taylor State Park in Marin, WestMorin. Is it West Wren?
Yeah. I think it's great forfall colors. It's got redwoods and the

(15:43):
same thing that you were talking about. I mean it's not it's not quite.
You don't have as many options asAngel Island. But you can do
a short bike ride that's flat,there's beautiful, you know, quiet,
easygoing hiking trails, the creeks there. Camping is really popular there too.
The picnicking is I mean, theygot a ton of picnic tables too,
under the red wind Tree. Thatreally it's like you can do a short

(16:03):
hike or a short bike ride andthen hang out under the red woods at
a picnic table right by the water, and it's I've every time i've been
there, it's never been super crowdedin the picnic areas, which I'm always
kind of amazed by right right,like it's it's a busy park. Camping
is it very tough to get Youhave to book pretty much in advance or
get lucky. But the picnicking thereis spectacular and you're just under the red

(16:27):
Woods and it's great in fall,it's great. That's a good one.
And if you have your dog,you can take your dog on that paved
bike path the cross Marine trail,which is really cool. That's a great
fall adventure. The hiking trailer.I don't think your dog friendly, but
you're right that the cross Marine is. And then the picnic area is.

(16:47):
In camping, let's talk about somedog friendly options because they're you know that
a lot of state parks are notdog friendly. Where would be your favorite
place to go with gus this timeof year in the hull? You know
it's a good time to I mean, if you get these these clear fall
days that sometimes you can get,going to the beach is never a bad
idea. And dogs love the beach, right And there's a dog friendly beach

(17:12):
in Point Ray's Lemon Tour Beach.Dogs absolutely love it out there, and
it's a south facing beach so itkind of gets a lot of sun.
And it's just you can hike asfar as you want. I think you
have to go. One side ofthe beach is not dog friendly, another
side is dog friendly, so youdo have to stick to the dog friendly

(17:33):
side of that beach. But it'syou know, you can go walk on
the beach for quite some time andand your dog will will love it.
That's a great one. You knowwhere I like too. That's so it's
so obvious, but it's so great. I have my little routine with it
is Chrissy Field, taking us toChristy Field and then walking to Radhouse at
Oh yeah, what is that placecalled the Fort Mason? Fort Mason?

(17:57):
I lived in San Francisco for elevenyears and now it's been snow for so
long. I'm like, what forMeson? Is it called Bradhouse. It's
the German the German beer house.Yeah, beer house. It's got great
food. So I like to walkGus that way and en route you can
stop by this little like coffee.It's a little coffee cafe and it has

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by the volleyball field. Yeah,right by the volleyball fields. It's small,
it's like a little hut. Yeah, and they have like dog treats.
They have donuts, little dogs,and Gus knows about that place,
like when I get him out ofthe car, it's the first thing he
be lines for. And they havethese great lavender lattes. They're so good,
and so I get that and thenI walk to rat House and get

(18:41):
a German beer at rat House ora pretzel. Okay, I don't drink
beer, So tell me what thebeers are that you like? There?
Anything German? Honestly, it's allgood because they have a lot on tap
that's German, which is kind ofhard to find. Yeah, and there's
just something about I think they thecountry requires like certain ingredients to be in
in the beer if it's a Germanbeer, And there's just a certain quality

(19:04):
about those beers that are just fantastic. But I mean a hike that has
a little bit of of beer componentis I mean, that's quintessential. We
can sure, but of content rightthere. That's that's some good stuff that
is really hike with beer, bikery with beer with beer, Beer with

(19:25):
beer. They also know they haveI like their elder They have like a
it's a cocktail. I think it'slike it's an elderflower flavoring and the Hugo
I think it's called in Italy.They oh yeah, yeah, but that's
delicious and it's just a simple thingto do. But you know, San
Francisco with the Holidays is really wonderful, like they have the Borna Vista Cafe
and you know, even your yourDeli square is like so festive. I

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hadn't been there. I never gothere because I'm always like it's tourists.
But I went at the Holidays acouple of years ago and it's it's a
great place. Do it up.They do it up. You know.
Another place that's good if you wantto go on a hike and combine a
little bit of beer at least atthe end is going to Mere Beach in
Marin County. And mer Beach isalso home to the Pelican Inn, which

(20:15):
is this old British style pub thathas a restaurant. It also has you
can stay the night there. Butit's like right at Mirror Beach, so
you can go hike. You cango hiking from meer Beach. They have
a great trail head there that goesup the coastal Trail. You can go
down into Pirate's Cove, which isreally cool. It's kind of like this

(20:36):
somewhat hidden cove that's not all thatbig, and that makes for a great
hike. And then you come backto Mere Beach. You can hang out
on the beach and then you cango have a beer or a pint at
at the Pelican Inn, which isjust kind of makes for an awesome day.
Oh yeah, yeah, there arelawns, usually pretty busy on the
weekend, and say, yeah,people hang out on the lawns, but
I'm sure they do it up duringthe holidays too, right. Their restaurant's

(21:00):
good. Yeah, it's been along time since we've been there. That's
a good one. What are okay, so what about I was gonna say,
so we've already gone beer, butwhat about, like, you know,
a cool thing to do where there'sa nearby like restaurant or ice cream

(21:21):
shop or some kind of food element. Yeah, the food element, right,
I mean, like this is agood time. You've heard to go
on bike rides too, And there'ssome fantastic multi use bike paths, you
know, you know bike trails thatyou don't have to worry about cars.
One of them is up in thefoothills near Plasterville. It's called the El
Dorado Trail, and this is notused very much. We wrote a story

(21:45):
about the El Dorado Trail a coupleof years ago. It's a twelve and
a half mile paved multi use paththat goes through the foothills right close to
Apple Hill. If you know AppleHill, that's a SuperFestive place, at
least leading up to Thanksgiving. Theyhave you know, apple cider, they
got apple sider donuts, they gotlike just so many different mom and pop

(22:07):
kind of like little farm not farmstays, but little farms. You can
go visit and pick up trinkets andfood and hot apple side and all that
good stuff. But the path thereis really cool. I love that bike
path because the fall colors and thefoothills is it's just it's beautiful. That's
so great, Brad, that's agreat tip. That's a great tip.

(22:29):
I was thinking about that when youwere saying, because you could spend a
full day there, including that bikeride, Like you can go and you
could start with donuts at I don'tremember the name of the Rainbow Orchards,
Rainbow Orchards exactly. The hot applesider donut. Oh, and it's just
like such a great way to startthe day. Yeah, and then you
can go on a bike ride,and then you can go to like the

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Eldorado is one of California's oldest wineproducing areas. Yeah, and when we
were there with it's like I thinkit was called Boger Winey Boger Winery.
They do it up during the holidaystoo. It's so charming and they have
little fire pits that you at leastthey did. This was a couple of
years ago, and I'm sure it'sstill the same. Call ahead, but
you should get a reservation for that, I think. And then there was

(23:15):
like a place Lava Cop Lava CapWinery that was also really good. I
mean, they've got many good wineries, a lot of wineries out there.
And then there was this place thathad amazing pie. I think it was
called delph Jack Delfina. Hold on, let me see if I can look
it up. Delphino Farms where youcan get you just had like the best

(23:38):
fresh pie. Oh I love.Yeah, it was so little ice cream
on there. Yeah, Delpino Farms. It's a bakery. It's also got
wine yeah, and Decider distillery andlots of fall colors, lots of fall
colors, lots of fall You knowwhat else is really good for a fall
color bike ride in the North Bay, Like right in Napa Valley they have,

(24:03):
you know, the Napa Valley VineTrail is really cool. It's not
like a fully realized vision just yet, but they're getting there. They want
to have this multi use paved pathgo the entirety of Napa Valley right now.
It goes from the town in Napato Yontville. And if you just
start in Napa and you go upto Yontville, that's a really beautiful bike

(24:23):
ride, especially in the fall,and you can, you know, pop
into Yontville and you have a tonof options, usually pretty pricey options for
grabbing a bite. But I thinkwe when we did that a couple of
years ago, we went to Rand D Kitchen, which has a great
outdoor patio and kind of like lightbites and drinks and all kinds of stuff.

(24:44):
But that's I mean, you haveto turn around and ride back,
so you know, you have topace yourself. You can't can't go crazy
on the on the wine. Butthat's a really fun bike ride for fall
colors. You're right, it isand I was thinking about restaurants that I
like, or you know, placesto go during the hall days for food
and drinks. And also how likemaybe getting a Christmas tree if you are

(25:07):
looking for a Christmas tree and thatis well, first of all you can
get I think Apple Hill is famousfor Christmas tree farms, so they add
that to your Apple Hill adventure.But Petaluma also has great Christmas tree farms.
They do, and then you goto Brewsters in downtown Palo Roosters right
on the river, right on theriver. I am obsessed with this place

(25:30):
at the holidays because of the decore. I mean they you have. I
don't think I've seen anything like itat a restaurant. They go all out
and it's all these hipsters who workthere. So they have the ugly sweaters
that are not ugly, they're kindof cool ugly. You know what I
mean? Is that ironic? Iguess it's ironic. I think it is,
but who cares? It's spectacular.They have a sled they I mean

(25:52):
it is. How do you describeit? I mean it's a bonanza of
amazing. It's like if Chevy Chasefrom National whose Christmas decided to decorate a
restaurant totally and it's a genius.I just love it, like if you're
looking for And it's also it's kidfriendly. They have lots like little areas
for kids to hang out and playfriendly. It's just it's great any time

(26:15):
of year. I love going there. They have the best fried chicken sandwich
and miss cal margarita. But they'reyou know, I mean, it's it's
just an awesome place. It's funfor everyone. I hope we can go
through this. No, I thinkwe will. I think we will.
That's it. That's a really goodspot, and I know you absolutely love
it. I think we've covered alot of content on this the first I
know, I know, and thenwe already have a Vaughan doing like we

(26:38):
talked to a who's got all kindsof good Yeah, she's got all kinds
of good tips, kinds of goodtips. So let's jump to what.
Okay, this is the cheesy,you know, but like, Okay,
it's Thanksgiving, it's the holiday season. We're coming towards the end of the
year. What are you grateful for? What am I grateful for? I
mean to be alive, to behere, right. I think sometimes you

(27:00):
get so wrapped up in stuff that'slike, oh, that's stressing you out.
Whether it's like work stuff, financialstuff, relationships stuff, there's just
there's always stuff that can stress youout right, But I mean it's good
to I mean that's the beauty ofgetting outdoors and just doing something as simple
as taking a walk. It canjust like fifteen minutes can just clear your
head. And or even if youwant to do a bigger hike like some

(27:23):
of the ones we've just recommended,or bike rides or backpacking trips whatever,
it's almost always a good idea.Like very rarely do I get outside and
I'm like, well, I regrettedthat it doesn't. It almost never happens.
It's always typically a good idea tomake time for getting outside and just
being able to have that appreciation foryou know, for life and for where

(27:48):
you're at and everything that we're fortunateto have. I would say about that
at Glenellen Regional Park the other daywhen we were walking us just about like
you're so busy, so much isgoing on, lots of your plate,
this is you know, everybody's story, and then just being like we're just
gonna go like take a beautiful afternoonhike with the dog and same thing,

(28:11):
like just the appreciation. You're neverlike that was a bad idea. It's
just like it's a breather and enjoyableand yeah, getting outside is never a
bad idea. It's like Paris,never a bad idea. That's what they're
say. Anyway, that's there's abumper sticker that says, I maybe we
shalln't one I ever a boud idea, A pink fella that those are,

(28:33):
that's a great thing to be gratefulfor. And you well, friends,
family, health, I mean,these are the you know, but they're
the obvious and they're obviously for areason. Gus, I'm thankful we haven't
had a major wildfire scare this season, or I know there's been some wildfire,
so it's not but oftentimes this timeof year, it's for many years
it's been kind of icy. Iam thankful for my hands, my three

(29:00):
three hens, because we had theterrible night of the raccoon massacre. This
was over summer where more than onenight, yeah, it was several nights.
We were away in Tahoe, andyou know, raccoons are super smart
and super strong, and one ofthem figured out that there was a plank
on our coup that was weak andpulled it off. I mean, they're
that strong and just unfortunately took outmany of our chickens, most of whom

(29:26):
were non egg layers anymore. Butthat's not the point. But I was
pretty upset about it, and Imarched off to Petaluma and got three little
hens, Betty, Wilma and DorisDay their name. They're thriving, and
they're thriving right now. They haven'tstarted laying eggs, so I'm hoping they're
going to lay some Christmas eggs.It's time. But they're just having backyard

(29:49):
hens, is zen. It's justyou know where you're talking about when you're
stressed out and you just go outand kind of watch them and they just
mill about until Gus comes out andruins their whole day. But like,
but you're right, there's something veryzin about those chickens. Yeah, they're
just pretty funny. Yeah, relaxing. It can be so lots to be

(30:10):
thankful for. And let's now talkwith our good friend and contributing content creator,
Yvonne Pasquini. Well, we aredelighted to be here with our good
friend. We can sirp A researcherand adventurer extraordinaire Yvonne Pasquini. Good to
see you, von so glad tohave you on the podcast. Finally,

(30:33):
we've done several adventures with you andit's great, great to see you and
have you on the show. I'mso happy to be here. I can't
believe it. I'm so embarrassed,even just by your introduction. You wouldn't
let me do it because you knewI would just be like, Yvonne is
one of my closest friends, andI just want to talk about this though,
and we're going to go next year, and then we're like already off

(30:55):
Traxie, so it was better thatyou did the But I'm so happy to
see you. And as BRED said, it's delightful and you've done some amazing
adventures over the years. And Ikind of wanted to kind of first start
by asking you. You know,you were telling me about when the pandemic
started is kind of when you beganto discover Los Angeles a bit more and
the outdoors. Can you talk alittle bit about that experience and how it

(31:17):
brought you to eventually being a Weekendshirt book contributing writer, Sure, So
I basically started hiking seriously during thepandemic. I've always liked the outdoors,
I've always liked traveling, but Inever made it a priority. And I
think the pandemic one good thing aboutit is it made us sort of readjust

(31:37):
what's important. And so I definitelytook that time to figure out, like,
how do I want to actually spendmy days? What do I want
my life to look like? AndI definitely had a longing to be more
outdoorsy and to be in nature andto travel. But the pandemic was kind
of a funny time and that likewe couldn't do that very much right,

(31:59):
Like you couldn't barely go on anairplane at that time. And so I
just started really small and I starteddoing walks in my neighborhood. And then
when that got boring, I thoughtabout Los Angeles, like, okay,
where I haven't really explored that much, Like is it Pasadena, is it
Culover City, is it Pacific Palisadesor Malibu? And I would just spend

(32:19):
every weekend going to these different neighborhoodsand just walking around. I started doing
hiking all over and not just doingthe same old hikes, like I would
just rarely try to expand my repertoireand be like, Okay, I'm pushing
myself to go to different places.And honestly, like Los Angeles just opened
up for me. I never wasa huge fan of Los Angeles. I'm
from the East Coast originally, andI just didn't get it. For a

(32:45):
long time. I just thought like, it's kind of ugly and there's a
lot of strip malls and I don'tknow, like I don't get it.
And so once I started to deliberatelyexplore, it just opened up for me.
There's just so many magical things aboutthis place. Each neighborhood has its
own unique personality. I love theway it like the nature looks. It's

(33:08):
so different from what I grew upwith. And so I feel like Los
Angeles is it's not a city thatlike you fall in love with instantly,
Like you kind of have to workon this relationship a little bit, but
once you do, it's so worthit. And I love it now in
a way that I never did before. And it's all because I was walking.
And I think that's sort of theironic park, because like everyone there's

(33:30):
everyone knows you don't walk in LA. That's the way. That's that's the
way to find out secret. That'san amazing origin story that No, it's
true. It's really cool. Justas simple as walking. I mean,
there's so many benefits to walking,but having LA open up to you in
a new and different way just fromthat simple act of taking a walk is

(33:53):
incredible. What are like, Iknow you've lived in a couple of different
neighborhoods in in Los Angeles, butlike when you were starting to do these
walks in different neighborhoods, which neighborhoodswere kind of like standing out or which
ones do you think is a bitunder the radar? And you're like,
I love going back here. Thiswas so I was not expecting this,

(34:17):
you know, honestly, Like LAis so spread out that you when you
live here, you often just spendtime in that part of town. Yeah,
so just getting out to the eastSide was like a big deal for
me because I live on the Westside. And the walks that really delighted
me most were the ones that surprisedme. So something something that I wrote

(34:37):
for you guys recently, the HollywoodHeights Hike. It's an urban walk it
is walking distance from Hollywood, solike all that like sort of like cheesy
Hollywood, you know, you knowall the tourists, Like you just walk
up like a few blocks away andyou're in this really beautiful Mediterranean looking village
neighborhood with all these staircases, andthe the first time I did it,

(35:00):
I was just floored. I'm like, I didn't even know this existed.
I've never heard anyone talk about thisneighborhood, and I just remember feeling like
I found like a magic secret,kind of like no one, no one
knows about this. All the touristsover there, but I'm not even the
Spider Man guy and the Superman guythat are walking around. I don't know
exactly a few blocks away exactly theSpider Man guy, He's not in this

(35:22):
neighborhood, thankfully. So it wasstuff like that. Echo Park two also
really delighted me, and it's thatit's like a neighborhood vibe, but it
feels so rural. And that's somethingabout Los Angeles that's surprising, is that
it is a city in an urbanarea, but yet there's all these wild
parts of it. And with EchoPark, like I just loved walking around

(35:44):
the neighborhoods and kind of seeing justlike all the houses on the hillsides and
all the natural beauty. I alsowrote about that hike for you guys too.
You did. I'm going to putthese on the show notes because our
listeners will want to check them out. The Hollywood Heights and you also did
a Lysian Park and did a greatstairway walk through there, which seems really

(36:04):
tranquil and beautiful as well. Isthat is a park I feel like not
a lot of la people go to. You know, everyone knows about Griffith
Park, but like that park,it's always very empty and so beautiful there.
There's no reason for it. Really. I'm surprised because you know,
it's like the story is so great, and I was like this, I

(36:24):
wonder, like this is quite popular, and we'll still write about popular stuff.
It doesn't all have to be offthe beaten track, you know.
Sometimes it's just because seasonally it's great, or it's perfect for a solo,
you know, stroll. But I'msurprised because it's such a great story I
thought it would be. That's agreat tip for our listeners if you kind

(36:45):
of want a tranquil park alician Isis great for that. Sure. I
mean there's always people there, soyou're never alone alone, but you definitely
have moments there where you're like,how am I in the middle of a
city like I It doesn't feel likeit. That's a cool middle of nowhere.
So and you've gotten into some backpackingas well. This was kind of

(37:06):
kind of the evolution of you gettinginto the outdoors. You started like,
I want to do some overnight tripsand I know you did one, and
recently I think was it do youdo Catalina or was it? So Catalina
Island was my first one? Yes, So I don't know what it was
about Catalina, but like I wasobsessed with the idea of going there.

(37:28):
I saw maybe pictures of it,and you know, it's just like this
golden terrain and then it just surroundedby ocean and there's biston walking around and
I'm like, I want to dothat. And for years I was saying,
oh, I want to do that, and then when the pandemic hit,
I'm like, okay, I'm startingto do it, Like what now
is the time, let's do this. I recruited a friend to do it

(37:50):
with me and I've never gone backpackingbefore. When I went to ARII to
get fitted for my backpack, likeI told the girl, you know,
they're so friendly there, like,Hey, I'm going on my first backpack
ever. And she's like where,I'm like Catalina and she's like, oh,
I don't know if that's really greatfor a first time or oh,
and I'm just like, okay,whatever, I'm still gonna do it.

(38:13):
And then honestly, like a monthbefore, the La Times had a story
about it and they said, sothe trail like there's no flat parts.
It's either uphill or downhill. AndI'm just like, oh my gosh,
what am I getting myself into?But it was fine. It was fine.
I think I trained enough. Ithink if you trained with like a

(38:35):
backpack for a little bit, you'refine. And I think I was also
so enthusiastic. There was like nothingthat was going to stop me from doing
it. Yeah, if I wantedto do it so badly, But it
was such a wonderful experience, andI actually counter, I do think it's
not a bad first backpacking trip becauseevery campsite has plenty of water, there's

(38:57):
civilization along the way, Like there'sone time. There's like one part where
you stop at the airport restaurants soyou can like actually have a proper meal.
Yes. Yes, there's like astore along the way, so like
there are definitely amenities and if youfeel like, oh my gosh, I
got to check out of here,there's ways to get back to civilization pretty

(39:20):
quick. Like it's not that remote, So I would argue, even though
if the terrain is a little tricky, I think it's not the worst first
backpacking trip. It's definitely doable.Was it orre they like big days?
Were you exhausted at the end ofeach day? Yes, yes, I
think the first day, especially thehike to Blackjack campground, it is kind

(39:44):
of like what the guy said inLa Times. It is up and down,
up and down, and you justfeel like it's never going to end.
I mean, the scenery is beautiful, so it's worth it, but
I remember it's like literally stumbling toour campground and like we collapse. To
me and my my friend, wejust like dropped our bags and could not
walk. There was like maybe atiny little hill to our campgrund and we're

(40:06):
like we can't do it, Wecan't do it much. It's too much,
and so that first day was brutal. And the funny thing about that
night too, is that it wasa thunderstorm that night, and there's never
thunderstorms in Los Angeles, like thatis something that like people, you know,
make a big deal of here whenthere is. So I remember we

(40:27):
were like in the tent and it'slike lightning and I'm just like, oh
my gosh, what am I doinghere? And then it passed and I'm
like, Okay, that wasn't thatbad. But I got a lot of
credibility when I like came back tothe mainland and I'm like, you know
what, you know where I wasduring that thunderstorm, and like everyone knew
about it because in La if it'sa thunderstorm, everyone's like, oh my
gosh, it's the worst storm inthe world. We weren't there, and

(40:49):
I said, yes, it was. So I felt really bad as I
was so scared during But now,is that cred that you're getting with Dan
your husband, or is this credamong friends or but my husband is not
easily impressed. A little harder,a little bit of a stronger store needs
to come there for Dan. Yes, yes, if he was not concerned

(41:12):
about it, but everyone else that'sfunny. That's a really cool story.
And I think, you know,I'm not sure why I didn't ask you
to write about that, but Ithink it was because another writer had maybe
just a few years ago, donesomething similar, which I mean, this
is not. But so i'm becauseI know I would have been like,
do you want to write about thisfor us? Maybe I'll still have you

(41:34):
do it or just have to goback. But you all, you did
a great story backpacking in Hatchi forus, which was also really cool,
a little bit challenging, you said, because of the heat. When you
guys went, it was the funniesttrip in that we were going to Yosemite.
I think we were planning to go. I think it was end of
May and all of you know,we looked online and people were like,

(41:54):
there might be snow there still,like you know, be prepared for everything.
So we were convinced it was goingto be freezing. We got there,
it was like one hundred degrees.Oh wow, seriously one hundred degrees
and so yeah, so we werereally hot on that on that block,
and so we did cut it alittle short because we were starting to get

(42:15):
a little overheated, but it wasstill lovely, still lovely, lovely trips.
Oh yeah, that's a great story. I also include that in our
show notes for people. But you'rejust like you're you're rocking it. You're
I have to say, And Ilike your amenities because Brad knows that my
thing is like toilets on backpacking trips. First of all, there has to

(42:35):
be one, because I've been onsomewhere there's no toilets in the tea ton,
So Hatchatchy was one. Like whenyou went to the back country then
you kind of had to go onyour own. And yeah, shovel and
all. Why I'm not challenging,But the woods thing, I don't want
to discuss this. Let's change tothe bison. Did you see bison on

(42:58):
that trail and Catalina? I did. I was so scared that I would
like kind of get hit on withone, but luckily I only saw them
in the distance. I did seea bear though, when I was in
seventy on the trail, like walkingtowards me, and I freaked out.
And I think the right thing todo is you're supposed to like make loud
noise, and I just turned aroundI'm like, I'm getting out. Just

(43:19):
run and run. They run,That's what That's what I did. When
I had a barn canter and Bradwas with me, I'm like, I
think you also fell over. Ifell over. We were in a remote
area in northern California and we wereTrinity out was hiking this eight mile hike
to bear like was what it wascalled, right, And I saw a
bear and I pointed at it.And I grew up in Canada with grizzly

(43:40):
bears. I'm supposed to know betterthan this. And I pointed at it,
turned around, scream rent, andthen fell over a giant rock and
was like a turtle. And Brad'slike, oh, we all know who's
going first. Anyway, I'm rightthere with you. And that's that's basically
my reaction to I didn't fall,but I did the same thing. Run
the exactly wrong thing to do.Yeah, it's like you just think,

(44:02):
You're like, how do I trademyself to have the presence of mind?
And you you did, Brad.Brad did have the presence of mind.
So you would have survived that andEvonne and I would be toast. Yeah.
Well well yeah, luckily the blackbears here aren't too scary. No,
and like statistically and bear attacks andall that, it's it's pretty pretty

(44:22):
rare. It's those grizzlies up nearCanada and up in Montana and Glacier National
Park where those man, that's that'ssome scary business, those those big guys.
I read The Night of the Grizzlieswhile we were there, did you.
Yeah? Oh my god, itwas after I think I bought the
book. Actually, no, that'snot true. I bought it after I

(44:43):
bought it in the bookstore when wewere on the trip in Montana hiking.
Yeah, none of the grizzlies.I don't recommend it if you ever want
a back to again, I don'tneed to do that. Let's jump to
some Thanksgiving ideas for some outdoor adventuresyou can do in and around Los Angeles.
I know that you've been thinking oversome ideas, and do you want

(45:05):
to share. I feel like youcan go, Like, if you just
want to go alone or with thefamily or a good friend, what are
some of your ideas. For awhile, I was thinking when you asked
me to think about Thanksgiving hikes inLA I was like, well, this
can go with a few different ways. Like oftentimes people have family here,
so you have little ones, maybeyou have some older relatives who aren't super
sporty who want to go out withyou. It's an opportunity to show off

(45:30):
your hometown, like if you haveout of town guests, or maybe you
just want to like get away fromyour family and like nobody wants to do
that does that. So I havea few options for all of those things,
that's right. So the first one, I would say the quintessential La
family hike is will Rogers State Park. I actually just went there this past

(45:54):
weekend, and it is a goodfamily hike. So it's it's easy to
get to. It's about like twoand a quarter mile. And what makes
it great it's not too long,it's not too short, it's not too
hard. There's like a little bitof a workout, but it's not like
you're dying. And the views arereally beautiful, so you see like all

(46:14):
of the Santa Monica Bay and throughoutthe hike, and it does feel like
you're kind of in the middle ofnowhere, so you're getting that sort of
rustic hike feeling, but not somuch work. Yes, so I think
it's a good hike for a family. There's benches on the top, there's
really pretty eucalyptus trees like on thetrailway down, so it just feels like
very story story book and I thinkthat's a really good hike to bring your

(46:38):
family. There's always a lot ofparking, and it's good for dogs too.
Now is Dan with you on thishike? Dan did not go on
a hike. This was actually,this is such an LA thing. I
went. I did a LA playdatewith my son and another family a great
idea, and so we did likea family like two family hikes. But
it was just me because my husbanddoesn not hike. Okay, so now

(47:00):
what No, but this is thiscan be common where it's like my husband
or my wife or my you know, someone someone in the family is like,
I don't hike. But it's likewe're coming where where might Dan go?
Let's talk about what would what wouldqualify for a data hike? Oh
gosh, well let me maybe I'llpick the next hike for Dan, because

(47:24):
I feel like this is a goodhike. It's a little bit of a
drive. But you know, likeafter you're eating Thanksgiving, you might like
just want to go on a littlefamily drive. It's a pallet Palos Verdes
Peninsula. So there's like a trailthere. It's called Golden Cove and Sea
Seascape Trails. It's like two trailsthat kind of merge into one. And

(47:45):
I think this is a good afterdinner hike. So I would take Dan
there because it's it's more of likea walk, maybe like a stroll,
and it's a bit of a driveto get there because but I think it's
so worth it because it's really pretty. It's on this rocky cliff, so
it's like the ocean. Like honestly, like this is why we live in
California. Like most people are spendingtheir Thanksgivings phraezing cooped up inside. This

(48:07):
is like a chance to be likeright on the coastline and it feels really
natural and you see all these tidepools. I think it's a really good place
for like seeing the sunset. Solike maybe after dinner you can drive down
there, go on a little walk. That's a great tip. I know,
I'm kind of thinking like should wedo this? Yeah, it's not
a great too, and I loveI think that's so cool the idea of

(48:29):
going like getting together with other momsand going moms or dads whoever, and
you know, going on a likeI know, is a playdate a play
date? Yes, type date.That's that's such a good idea. And
I've i haven't been to wel Rogers, but I'd love to because I've seen
great stories on it and it doesseem like just an ideal place for that.
These are great ideas even keep going. So I'm going to keep going.

(48:51):
I'm going to keep going. SoOkay, what if you want to
like burn off some like pie Ca. Okay, so something more hard for
you're talking, so we're gonna goa little more hardcore. So I would
recommend Baldwin Hill's Scenic Overlook. Thisis in the middle of Culover City,
so it's pretty easy to get to. It's basically a hike that's on a
hill and it's like a giant staircaseand it's like the stairs are really big,

(49:15):
like you almost have to make lungesto kind of go up at first.
So kids think are fuck thinks it'sfun like if you need to bring
your kid, you can, butyou can also be like serious workout mode
like charging up these stairs and thenwhen you're on the top of you have
really sweet views of Los Angeles allthe way to downtown. I do this
hike a lot, and I likeit because it's super versatile, Like you

(49:37):
could just do that part and geta killer workout in. But it's this
park is also part of the parkto ply a trail, which is a
thirteen mile trail that connects a bunchof parks together. So you can do
this stair walk, and if you'relike I want some more, there's a
connecting trail which I didn't even knowabout, honestly and till last year.

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And I've done this trail like abillion times. That's behind the parking lot
and you just keep on going andit's so nice there again, it feels
like one of those secret passage magicaltrails. There's like some public artwork and
there's like a little nature center andthen there's a bridge and it connects to
the Kenneth Han Park And so ifyou want, you can make this a

(50:22):
whole day thing where it's like,Okay, I'm going to like explore to
these parks. So this is versatile, so it's like you can just like
a stair climb thing, or youcan kind of explore these two great parks
in LA. That's awesome. Ilove that that view, I think is
that's the one where we get likethat really cool view of like downtown LA
and like the mountains behind it.So if it's like just snowed up in

(50:45):
the mountains, you get that reallykind of iconic LA view from from that,
right, Is that that's like oneof the places where you can get
that nice type of thing. Maybe. I mean, it would definitely have
to be a super clear day,so that's las that's always you got to
go, like right after a rain, right after a rain, right after
a rain, for sure. Yeah, that's really good. And what about

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if you just are like, yeah, I just need to be alone or
like you know, I need somealone time, alone time. I would
recommend maybe like Switzer Falls in AngelusNational Forest. It's a little bit east,
but you might get a chance tosee some fall. Leaves are not

(51:30):
that great in southern California according tothe East Coaster that's your East Coast coming
out. Yeah, but I feellike that's a chance you might be able
to and so maybe that it isa popular hike, so it might be
crowded, so you might want togo in the morning, but I do
feel like you can get some solitudethere. There's like a waterfall. You

(51:50):
walk down to the canyon and thenyou might get that sort of fall vibe.
Yeah, that's nice. People,you need to get that fall vibe.
These are great like Thanksgiving hikes.I mean, does Dan always going
to Palace Verdes for I haven't toldhim yet. I haven't told. Can
you let us know how it goesover? I will? I will.

(52:12):
I feel like most of our Thanksgivingis like after we eat, we're just
like on the couch. I thinkyou have to do that workout beforehand.
That's the key. That's a goodstrategy. Like so like Thursday morning,
Thursday morning, I think is thegood time unless you're doing this, unless
you want to go see the sunset. Right. That's just my because I
just feel like that Turkey, thatturkey, like that ingredient goes it.

(52:40):
I don't know something something in Turkeymakes you sleepy. Yeah, there is
something. I forget what it is. Maybe you want to explore like one
of the hikes in Griffith Park,but like not one of the touristy ones,
but like something up in the northernpart. So I feel like that's
pretty empty, and that will you'llbe more alone. Really? Oh no,
I feel like Switzer falls maybe bythe two crowded because all of these

(53:05):
hikes, like they're so good,so people go to them. Yeah,
we'll be like something like a hikeup there in Griffith Park. No,
that sounds great. Now are yougoing to have the energy to do this?
Are you going to be like hostingThanksgiving? Or what's your what's your
deal for thanks I'm posting this year. My sister and my niece are coming
from New Jersey and so oh boy, so I'm I'm not sure if I'm
going to get that hike in thatmorning, but maybe I can convince them

(53:28):
to do the drive. Are youdoing the turkey? Like you're making the
turkey and all that. Oh,I'm making the turkey. I'm making it
out, the turkey, the stuffing, the pies. My sister's a good
cook too, though, so she'llprobably help me help out. That's so
cool. Good for you. What'sthe what's your tip for turkey? Like?
I've cooked a turkey a couple oftimes, but I mean, do
you like, what's your what's thesecret? Vaughn turkey tip. Oh my

(53:51):
gosh, I've only made a turkeyonce and that was actually during the pandemic.
This was like a big time inmy life. Wow. And I
found it's helpful to brine the turkeybeforehand, so you salt it and as
it's like defrosting in the fridge orif you have a fresh one, you
let it sit there for a fewdays and salt it beforehand. Seasonings in

(54:13):
it like lemon or some or youknow, herbs. Yeah, like the
flavor gets into the skin. SoBrian the turkey, I like that.
I put bacon over mine. Oh, bacon strips. That's interesting. I'll
end up a crispy so you can't, you know, but you're creative,
so you could probably find a wayto make used to those bacon strips.

(54:34):
But yeah, keeps it juicy,keeps it really juicy. And someone had
mentioned like a little bit of orangejuice, even which I mean think you'd
have to be careful with that.But that's kind of interesting. Yeah,
good for you. Let's let's continueon this food trip though, Like what
side dish do you really look forwardto? I mean, the Brussels sprouts
with like little bits of bacon Ilove that right with bacon, Like any

(54:57):
side dish that has a little bitof bacon in it, I think that's
pretty good. That's pretty good.I also like at cranberry because I have
to say, I'm not eating cranberrylike any other time, a dear,
and I feel like the combo ofthe cranberry with the turkey, Yeah,
tastes really good. Yeah. Nowthe thing is, do you like homemade,
like a homemade cranberry or the kindof the jelly thing from the can?
No way homemade. We gotta gohomemade stuff. Oh god, yeah,

(55:22):
with mashed potatoes too. Say thatbecause now all these people are like,
why just use can? By theway, I've done canned ones too,
so like it's not I have tosay, I have no judgment,
but I love me. I serveboth because I love the can really Okay,
yea like that weird gelatinous thing thatyou just like like, I love
that. Yeah it actually well,I've used it many times and it tastes

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really good. Brad makes gravy though, from scratch. That's great. Actually
know it was a whole thing becausewe put it on Brad's mom and Brad's
aunt and they were they did it. It was great, but it was
like the gravy battles, the gravybattles. Who's going to make the gravy

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as a whole? Yeah, anyway, it all worked out. It was
really delicious. Yeah. I meannow I feel bad about the cranberry comment.
Why. I don't know, becausepeople just like empty the cranberries,
I felt, and I do too. Okay, good, thanks, you're
getting hungry now? Talks about allties are you making? Oh my goodness.

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So I'm definitely gonna make pumpkin andapple good choices, classical like those
are the two classic choices. Andthen my niece requested some gingerbread cookies,
which I usually make for Christmas.But she's like, since I'm in town,
can like you make them special?And I said, I think I
could do it. You can makethat. That's so awesome requesting what's request?

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What about your invest that the foodbe made and that it's ready when
he's hungry? Where it is itis? It's simpful. We have to
let us know how your hike goeswith Dan on these hikes dog friendly because
a lot of people like to bringyou know, we have I'm going to

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list these all on our on ournotes, and we'll probably run some of
these actually, you know on ourwebsite the same day that this podcast is
coming out, which is Thanksgiving,so when people get this happy Thanksgiving everybody.
I do think all of the hikesare dog friendly except for Baldwin Stairs.
Wow, Allie's pretty dog friendly.That's great. I don't knows I
have as much of that around here. Well we do, I just have

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to seek it out. Don't letthe dog eat the gravy boat if anyone
brings a dog over to your house. Yeah, our dog did that a
couple of Thanksgivings. Speaking from experience, Yeah, our dog Hank got the
gravy boat at Thanksgiving in not funbut day after Thanksgiving nope. Well those
are such great ideas, Yvonne,And it's always so good to see you

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and to visit with you, andI just wish you the best Thanksgiving and
great holidays. Thank you you too, guys,