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January 28, 2025 49 mins
In this episode Brad and Holly discuss the devastating fires in Los Angeles County. They are joined by LA-based Weekend Sherpa contributor Yvonne Pasquini, who talks about the impact of the fires and how Angelenos are navigating the aftermath. Holly and Brad also discuss past fires, including the 2017 fires in the North Bay of northern California, where they were mandatory evacuated in the middle of the night. Turning to a more uplifting topic, they talk about one of the gem destinations in northern California—Redding. Find out where to go and what to do in this sunny destination flanked by iconic Mount Shasta and Mount Lassen. And have you heard of Sleep Vacations? Well, they’re a thing now, too.
 
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To discover more about Redding, see our issue Redding for You.

LA County Parks Care Camps support families impacted by the Eaton Fire Youth and teens can find a supportive community space for recreation and fun, including arts and crafts, music, sports, and field trips to places like Dodger Stadium and La Brea Tar Pits. Breakfast, snacks, and lunch provided daily. 
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Welcome to the Weekend schrip Of podcast. Take it Outside.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm Brad Day, I'm Holly Coolac and it's still January.
Can you believe it? It's this month is not ending.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
It is it's long.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
It's a lot, it's been a it's a lot. I mean,
twenty twenty five. Ye are getting off to a slow start.
So tell me about how your January has been going
on so far.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
I mean, well, we're going to get to that with
talking about the you know, unfortunate situation in Los Angeles. Yeah,
so cal went basically Los Angeles County with the terrible fires,
and so that's been really hard. And we we have
one of our Weekend sharp A team and my friend
Yvonne Pasquini coming on later in this podcast to talk
about she's there and just her experience around it. Thankfully,

(01:04):
our team you know that we reach out to, have
all been safe and are all okay. A few of
them left for air quality. But that's been you know,
it's been. That's been a major challenge. And I'm not
And I slept badly last night.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, I love like crap.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
The bad sleep can mean like if you get two
nights in a row of bad sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
It just really hits you. And I've had a couple
of them.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Not bad because you say the dog sleeps on you.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
The dog, Yeah, it's he's like forty five pounds and
he just kind of like lays on me, and it's
just it's it feels like a sack of sand on
my lungs or something.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
So you don't so it affect your sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
It does recently, I mean it usually does. And if
I don't have something on my mind, but I got
a bike race coming up, and I've been like stressing
about stupid stuff, and.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Well, everybody at two in the morning, if you're awake,
nothing is you stress, and it's it's never as bad
like you it's nine am the next day and you're up,
you know, and maybe really tired. It doesn't You're like,
why was I that stressed out at too am? I
think it's like a biological response. It's just your exhausted.

(02:13):
But that makes me think that maybe you should go
on one of these sleep travel vacations. Have you heard
of these? No?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
What's a sleep travel vacation?

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Basically, you travel to a place that's remote and simple
and without distraction and surrounded by nature and you sleep,
I mean sleep the whole time. During the day, you
do nice you know, relaxation, read a book, hang out
in nature, go on a bi crid. But it's these
faraway places like in Sweden. You know, you'll go to
a far away place in Sweden and stay in a cabin,

(02:45):
you know, surrounded by trees and you know, it's okay
if it's dark, like they celebrate darkness and it's just
very cozy. But the idea is that you're going to
sleep well at night and not have distractions for example,
I don't know, I would assume it's not why phone. Yeah, yeah,

(03:06):
So it's called sleep travel.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
And I think Sweden, you know, kind of came up
with the concept, at least from my understanding of it.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's how they're selling their their tourism destination experience.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Being in nature that forms the bedrock of sleep tourism.
That's from the article. I'll put the article in the
show notes because it's very the story in the show notes,
it's very interesting. And then other places do it to,
like London. London, Yeah like that either, but it's one
of the hotels, hotels and it's you know, in Thailand,
and that can be around more about health and healing.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
I think a lot of the parks could be a
you know, I mean, if you're not doing you know,
big hikes, you're just like hanging out at Yellowstone for
a week, you know, in a cabin out there.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, it's a good sleep travel.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Camping in the back country in summer.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
And except your camping and sleeping on the ground.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, that's true. Maybe if you have a god you
like that, Oh, I do it uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
If you get a good sleeping bag and like travel,
mattress or not mattress pad, you can get a great sleep.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Camping makes a difference, I think.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
I ever, I cannot tell you one time I've slept
well camping. I'm always worried about something. I am cold,
I always have to go to the bathroom and.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Then you're freaking out.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Bear. There could be that I have backpacked in Canada
and there's grizzly bears. Anyway, So yes, sleep travel is
apparently a new thing. Okay, very interesting. All right, let's
talk about the fires.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
The fires, Yeah, brutal, absolutely. I mean there's just so
many of them that came in so quickly. It's it's
devastating to see how much wiped out home wise, nature wise.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Just like it was.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
It's pretty pretty devastating just to see all all that
destruction in southern California and there's still not out of it,
you know, there's still red flag warnings. As we record
this podcast on Friday the twenty fourth.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
In the longest month of our lifetime. Seriously of an exaggeration,
but yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
But our guest, Yvonne and travel writer for a Weekend
sure By and Friend, gives a great conversation and her
perspective of living in Los Angeles during that time and
kind of like what she did and how she feels
and felt during that period.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, it is pretty it's heartbreaking, really, and you see
all of these I mean just seeing footage on TV
which doesn't even capture or on socials you know, which
really I don't think captures it. I mean it's not
you're not there. Yeah, it look it just it's like
a fire NATO, right, It's just.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Looked at some of the stuff you sell, You're like,
how could anybody defend this?

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Like it was crazy, and just.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
How fast it swept through these neighborhoods with people just
having no time, and you know, like the wildlife, the
human lives that have been lost. You know, it's just
and the idea that and I have her a lot.
I think that there's been a lot of graciousness and

(06:30):
care and humanity around this, unquestionably especially in southern California. Yeah,
but you know, I think sometimes when you're removed from it,
and it's like other places you know that suffer hurricanes
for example. Sure, you know, until you've actually like experienced it,
it can be hard and you think, well, it's a
home you can just rebuild. Well, it's not you know,
homes or microcosms of your life, and sure, such an extension.

(06:53):
It's not you know, a thing. It's where you have
your family, where you know so many it's it's your
it's your respite in most cases. And it's not about
you know, I never when I was seeing some of
the stories, I never saw oh you know, darn, I
lost my pearl necklace. It was about you know, your

(07:16):
child's arts and crafts project, that stuff, yeah, that you
framed and you know and those may those are those
are so meaningful and you know, and also your sense
of community. I mean, it's just it's gone it's gone. Yeah,
and it you know, it does remind me. We you know,

(07:37):
we've we've experienced it very seventeen and you know it
was very scary and to put you know, for some
context on this, it was we were mandatory evacuated something
like two am and of a sudden, a police officers
going through our neighborhood saying you need to leave now.
And you know, nobody really knew what why do we

(07:57):
have to leave now? Until you walked out on your
front lawn and you just saw this inferno. Yeah, you
know behind you in the hills.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
That's when they didn't have great communication network communication to
get the word out other than going through neighborhoods on
a bullhorn telling people they need to I mean it
feels like they were doing that in twenty seventeen, but yeah,
they were doing that twenty seventeen rather than sending a text.
I think they've improved that. But yeah, I mean that

(08:24):
having gone through a version of what LAS is going through, you,
like you said, you're scared, right, You're just kind of
like you're all over the map. You don't know what's coming,
what's going, what to do. There's just kind of it
it's a bit chaotic and it's scary. And then what
I definitely remember is like once it was done and

(08:48):
you're allowed to return back to your house and you
can kind of see all the destruction, all the homes
that were lost, all the mountains that have burned scars
on them, just all of it. It's it's very sad.
It's just like you're like, it's depressing.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
It's just like and the air is terrible.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, and it's just uh, you know, you know, and
then there's parts of when then you get like angry
about well why wasn't this man? I mean, you go
through so many different emotions around it, and unless you've
experienced it, it's hard to have that kind of level
of empathy. But uh, yeah, it's uh, it's a lot

(09:30):
LA's you know, got beat up pretty badly and but
they're they are resilient and they'll they will bounce back.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
It's just going to take a long time, it is.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, you're right, like I would, you know, it feels
like a long time ago, and yet it feels like yesterday.
It's some of those because when they're were you know,
you get I had watched duty, I got watched several
years ago from another fire because I was coming home from.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
It, which is app right.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Which is an app Yeah, everybody knows about it now.
It's a great resource. And I just found out about
it a few years after the twenty seventeen fires because
I was coming home from a week in sharp assignment
with Allen and we'd been driving, you know, fourteen hours
and there was this you know, we're so close to
home and there's just this massive inferno that all of

(10:18):
a sudden, you know, it erupts or shows up. And
I remember Ellen saying, do you think that's a designated burn? Like, no, no,
I don't think so. And it was so close to
our home, you know, just drove up. It was scary,
and then CalFire thankfully was right on it and put
it out. But my neighbor said, are you not a

(10:40):
watch duty? Like you need to get watch duty because
and now every time it comes up, you know, you
just your heart sinks, and not even just for yourself,
just knowing like okay, and oftentimes it's you know, quickly stopped.
But yeah, it's different times now, you know. Now I
feel like fire season is all year round.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
There's no season. It's constant. It feels like in.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
California, Yeah, and it's yeah, it's it's really hard and
that sense of loss, Like I remember there was a
night that you know, where I live was you know,
at risk. There was no question. It was like, this
area is in trouble. We don't know what will happen.

(11:22):
And first of all, you know, the firefighters and the
innate firefighters, all of them were just incredibly heroic. But
a lot of it's luck too write with how winds
go or what happened. And of course, you know, I
didn't want my home to burn down. But where I
broke was when I was listening to the local radio station.

(11:43):
They were so informative. First of all, they were saying
leave now, and you know I had already left because
we had been mandatory evacuated in the town of Sonoma.
And they said they're now starting to remove artifacts from
the Snowman mission, and you know, they're going to have
to make a stand for the town. And I still

(12:03):
get emotional when I talk about it, because I just thought,
I can't imagine, you know, if this town goes. It
was just a devastating feeling and I still you can
you can hear me. I still get emotional about it,
and thank god it survive. But I really feel for
the people.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, because you're attached in LA You're attached to that
that community. Mean, that's where you've made friends, That's where
you go out to dinner, that's where you walk your dog,
that's it's the heartbeat of home. I mean, that's outside
of your actual.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
House, your animals, all of it.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, and you know, the people who live in Pacific
Palisades have to go through having lost.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
All of that Ana Alta, Dina, all of these places.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
When you just lose, you lose the homes, you lose
the community, you lose the little coffee shop that you
to landscape, right, all of it. It just means more
than the you know, the value of the structure. It's
really sad, but you know, we're thinking of you, Southern California,
and we're definitely seeing some rain in the forecast and

(13:09):
and and really happy to see that.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Oh I love you, California. Let's talk about some really
great places that you can go to. Yeah, generally, you know,
it was it's been tricky as an editor because I've
I've been obviously you know, concerned about what I can
write about for southern California. But there's ways around it.
It's just not appropriate right now to be talking about
trails and with air quality.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Too much stuff that's burned and the air qualities. Yeah,
there's there's too much, too many moving pieces.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
So basically, we went to the deserts and there's some
great stuff you can do.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Go to the deserts, or you go up to the
town of Reading, the sunniest city in California. We just
did a great issue. If we can sirp on experiencing
redding and all the fun things you can do. I
mean there's you know, I don't know if you've ever
spent much time in Reading, but I mean it's so

(14:00):
rounded by so much cool stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
I mean, you're talking.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
About one of the least visited National parks in the system.
Last and Volcanic National Park is not far. Mount Shasta
is very close. You have Whiskey Town National Recreation Area
that's like fifteen minutes away. And then you have the
Sacramento River that runs right through the town of Reading
with this amazing recreation trail that parallels the river, and

(14:26):
of course the famous Sundial Bridge that's literally a sun
dial that stretches across the Sacramento River and connects to
a really neat little exploration park called Turtle Bay, and
we wrote about you know, of course the Sundial Bridge,
but also what you can do at Turtle Bay.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
I'd never been to Turtle Bay.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
And it's really cool. You can have these up close
animal encounters. You got to meet like a porcupine, which
is like you think, oh, you're going to get like
a quill.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Okay, it is a porky pine named.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yes, it is named Yvonne would know the name of
this porcupine.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
It's in the story. In the story, okay, and we
will put it in our show notes. Let me see
if I can find it.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Bristol Bristle is the porcupine, which is Bristol is super cute.
And then you get to go into the Parrot Playhouse,
which is this little aviary that you can walk into
and you get some nectar and all these amazing parrots
and other colorful birds.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Lorikeets will just.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Like the land on your arm, on your shoulder, sometimes
on your head. Super friendly, great for photography and Instagram
and that kind of thing. But it's a cool little
spot and there's just so many different places. And of course,
you know, if you want to have any kind of
like group meeting aspect, they have a great area to

(15:53):
go to go do that at Turtle Bay where you
can have like a family meeting, family meeting.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Group meeting, like team good, team building.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Team building is what I was thinking. Yeah, so that
was that was cool. But yeah, you missed out on
that trip, man.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
That was u.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I know, it looked like I was so disappointed. It
looked like so much fun, and you guys also did well.
First of all, the Sundow Bridge is amazing. It's it's
so beautiful. I just love it late day pretty much
anytime year. But just the way that the sunlight casts
on the river.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, and the color of the bridge yeah itself, it's
got this really kind of awkwardmarine blue that catches the
light really beautifully.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
And they're just like people are walking it or biking
across it, or skating across it, and you just look
down and you've got, you know, these incredible views of
Shasta and and you see people fly fishing sometimes.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Just a lot of fly fishing in the river.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Or people in boats on it. It's just very peaceful
and there's a fantastic. I think it's one of the
best bike rides in America. Right. It starts right at
the Sundow Bridge.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Certainly it's a rail trail, or maybe it's not a
rail trail, but it's a designated multi use path which
basically you can walk it, bike it, inline, skate it.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
But no cars. And it goes all the.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Way from the town of Reading Sundial Bridge up to
Shasta Dam. I think it's over fifteen miles each way.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, but you can go as far as you want.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, you can go as far as you want. You
can just go a couple of miles if you want.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
There's some other historic bridges on that trail too. It's
really fun and there you know, you can ride it.
You can get an e bike if you don't want it.
If you think there's one, isn't there one a place
called It's like Heartbreak Hill or heart heart rate, heart
attack Hill might be. That's a tough one. That's a
tough one. It's a short section.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
But speaking of e bikes, we also did a story
about renting e bikes and going cruising around downtown Reading
and they have a ton of murals they've commissioned a
lot of murals in the last few years to be
painted across downtown reading and there are some really beautiful ones.

(18:01):
And so we went on a tour that went by
several of these these murals, and we we rented uh
rented bikes from the Shasta Bike Depot, some e bikes
that got ripping around downtown and checked.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Out all the all the murals. I really like the
one that had just kind of the view of Mount Shasta.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
It's like a real mountainscape, kind of simple color palette,
but just very panoramic and beautiful of the Sacramento River
going up to Mount Shasta. That I think was maybe
one of my favorites. But there's there's a lot of them,
and you.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Can stop and and have a bike to eat at
restaurants right like Pipeline craft Taps.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
That just opened. Yeah, Pipeline, that's a great spot.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
What'd you have when you were there?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
A burger and a hazy I p a.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Oh you had a beer? Oh yeah, middle of the day.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
You know, I can only do.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
One day drinking.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, I can't. I can't. That second one is a nap.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
But we did go to actually to a brewery and
reading the fall River Brewing, which if you if you
are in reading, definitely check that out.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Cool Warehouse Brewery, great beers.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
And they have line dancing as well, and it's kind
of like intro to line like learn how to line
dance lessons lessons. So we did that because uh, why
not that'd be fun. And it was, you know, our
team got out there and was doing the boot scoot
boogie and all all the stuff.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
The boots is that actually something? You don't know what
you're talking?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
I don't, I don't, but it sounded correct.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
The boot scoot doo bey.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Booy. Where's your mind.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Snoop talk, just line dancing.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
The boot scoot dooby.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
I mean, come on, okay, let me get this right.
So it's called Thursday Thursdays at Fall River and it
features country line dancing lessons. Yeah, I know, and it's
and it's good for beginners. I I would love to learn.
I'd be terrible. I have zero coordination. I can't pay
attention to like it's perfect for you, then you know
it would be embarrassing. But a guy takes you through
steps right and then you get your your moves. But

(20:12):
I feel as though I need to get like the
actual names of what your what your move is? I
know it's out and out in heel He'll totee heel toe,
heel and toe now step kick, step in touch, step kick,
step in touch.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
There you go, just go go do that.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
That's really easy. Hey, that looks so fun. So who
was the best line dancer of the weekend? Sharper team
that went?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Mmm mm hmmmm. That's tough.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
I mean, Yvonne and Heather were both crushing it out there.
It's hard to hard to pick one. They're both doing
really well.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, and where did you stay?

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (20:47):
The Americana, I believe is the name of it. The
Americana Hotel right and downtown reading correct me if I'm
wrong on that. But that was a great a great spot.
And uh, you know it's right close to all these
murals and all these great restaurants and super convenient if
you want to get out to the outdoors too, to
Whiskey Town or over to Lasson.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, I love. I think Whiskeytown National Ocreationary is just beautiful.
It's sort of a I mean, if you're around there,
you know it, but it's there's it feels very wild.
You know, you can really get back there like Whiskeytown
Falls is a gorgeous hike. Oh and it's quiet. I
don't know how the falls are this year, but they
were good when I went a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, they haven't had rain in a while, but yeah,
I know that that's true.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
That's that's a really good spot.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
So I had to miss that because I had COVID.
And I'm not I'm not making a light of COVID.
It's awful. It sucks, but I got I got COVID
and I had to stay back, which was such a
bummer because I really do like to go to Redding
and but this is kind of teasing something that will
be doing kind of as a special edition off weekn
Sure Bob coming this year, but if you're listening to
the podcast, you'll get a sneak peek on it. I

(21:56):
caught COVID, I think from you, Oh Cash, I'm casting blame.
But what I can't get over is how you caught
COVID because we were in Peru high up, so we
hit We had done the Inca trail first, which is
fat like the traditional Inka trail, which is awesome, fantastic,

(22:18):
way better than I expected. I think I told you
that I thought that that adventure would be excellent, but
more means to an end, Like you do this trail
and then you get to Machi Pichu and it's like Tadah,
but the entire trail, save for like the first maybe
half day, because you're just sort of getting out into things.

(22:39):
I couldn't get over how incredible the scenery was and
the passes. You know that the pass on the second
day that they called the Gringo Killer, that's what they
call it, Greeno Killer because it's so hard and it
just go dead dead Woman's past. It's not I think
name for a park, but that view from the top
once you finally get there, with altitude and elevation gain

(23:02):
is incredible. You need it's step. But the second tral
we did was less known and relatively new, called the
Trail of a Poo.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Also yes, the trail, it's kind of a funny name.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
And it's the highest uh well that's what they call it.
But it goes around the Alsungante Mountain in the high
heights of the Andes, and I think it's the highest
backcountry lodging trek in the world.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Like one night, you're.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Over sixteen thousand feet at a lodge, you start at
just under fifteen thousand feet and on average, over the
course of five days you're like cruising around fifteen thousand
feet most days. It's that's above Mount Whitney, the highest
point in the contiguous United States. It's it's really really
high and absolutely beautiful. I mean, you do go if

(24:02):
you've been kind of like looking at Peru, then you've
maybe seen on your radar this Rainbow Mountain, which is
a really beautiful mountain that just is all kinds of
different colors from like reds to greens to blues and yellows,
just kind of from the geological formations there. And it's
a relatively new phenomena because I think it used to

(24:23):
be covered in snow or a lichen or something like that,
and it kind of melted away in the last fifteen
to twenty years and revealed this rainbow mountain that people
didn't necessarily know was there. But now it's all the rage. Anyway,
you can do a quick day trip to the Rainbow Mountain,
or you can do what we did, which was included
as part of this five day track guided track.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Guided track.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
We went with a company called Andean lodges, and they
have lodges in the back country of these of this hike,
so you're not camping, you're saying it these awesome back
huts with no electricity. It's all heated by fire, a fireplace,
and there's lanterns and candles and super cozy.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Kind of cold and delicious meals kind of cold.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Kind of cold, but you know, you bundle up, me'd
be all right.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
But uh, and you can get a hot shower like
a war No. I thought they were hot hot shower
between like four and six or something.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
It's all like a specific time, solar specific.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah, cold but beautiful.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
It's a great way to do it. It's way better
than than the camping, I think.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
I do not.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, I saw the campers and they look like they
were having a great time too, but I preferred being
in the huts and they're in they're gorgeous huts. It's
just such a great concept for getting back to it,
very pristine, beautiful part of Peru. And you're you are
high up and it's it's also got to you a glacier,
I think so. And that was just I mean, you're you,
you're looking out to it. It's just the you know,

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the best seat in the house when you're sitting in
the huts.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
And also your gear is carried for you by a
pack of llamas. So each hiker has a designated lama
that's carrying all your stuff, yeah, like your clothes.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
And they can't carry quite a bit because I remember I.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Was confused, not too much.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Once you hit like a point whatever that that point is,
they'll just.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Stop and sit down.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
That's right. We were told that mine didn't sit down,
thank god. But they they're so strong and they train
them so they'll have the lama's coming. And then they
have one that's in training, so it's got a light
pack on and they're learning, right. And did they say
it was all male or female? Was it all males
or was it not?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
And then they have a horse who carries stuff that
you might need because the lamas aren't with you the
whole time. They they're on their own course, whether they're
ahead of you, behind you. Yeah, So there's a horse
that comes along kind of, you know, in the distance,
carrying things that you may need for the day but

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don't necessarily. I mean, they really try to make it
so that you're going ultra light, yeah, which is smart,
and they're providing snacks and our guide was terrific. Hlobar
was Holger my parents. He was awesome, really well paced.
I would say a lot of different people can do
this because people think, oh no, I have to be
like uber fit. I mean it helps if you have

(27:25):
some fitness, have some fitness and or take things at
a good pace acclimate before you're you know, you go
on this track. And then we did take the altitude
meds for that part of the track. We die for
the Inca.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, I highly recommend taking it, just so you don't
have to worry about it. I mean, the only side
effect was you had like tingly in your in your fingers.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Occasionally it's kind of weird, which is kind of a
weird sensation.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
But other than that, I don't think you or I
had any any side effects from it.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
I just didn't want to risk. Like we had been
there on the Inca trail and I thought, I'm probably
gonna be okay, but I I just I don't want
a headache or anything, because.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
If you get altitude sickness, the only remedy is to
leave the mountain, so your trip's over. Yeah, So it's
worth taking it. But that was that was an awesome trip.
But I did start feeling sick on day three or.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Four of that in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
In the middle of nowhere, I'm like, huh, but we
went there was two There was another couple that was
on this trip with us.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Hopefully they're kind of friend.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
If Troy and Ali are listening, we're.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Not putting it on you, but we think you had COVID.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
We're not putting on you, but I think you had
COVID allegedly if you were downing that night. Although she
did give me a pseuda fed that expired in two
thousand and eight. He's like, you can take this.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
They were first of all, they were terrific couple. We
had a great time with them, but we just I
just couldn't figure out how in the heck you got
because you started it was I think it was the
third day you were coughing, and you know that can
be altitude because they are so dry, and then you're like,
I'm super congested. And that made sense too, because the fires,

(29:07):
like the huts get pretty.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Kind of smoky, yeah, which is what I attributed it to.
And then when we got back to Cusco. I took
a test. I was like, oh my god, I have COVID.
I kind of I could not believe it that, you know,
having just done this five day track up in the
high Andies with literally like hardly anybody I ended up.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
I just don't know how you met it, Like it
was very surprising.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
It was surprising unless I got it because we turned
around the in contrail and literally the day after we
got off the.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Control we started this trek.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yes, it's very possible I could.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Have gotten it somewhere Ali Price sitting here going jerks,
We're questioning very.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Much, and it probably wasn't. But I just I can't
believe you got it.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
And then I gave it to you.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, and then I got it. So the point being,
then I got a rebound of it and I was
I was fine, you know, it was like not so bad,
but I had to miss rending for that, so it's
it's not funny COVID. But luckily my case was relatively
mild yours past really quickly, and then you gave it
to me, So thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Welcome.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
The only time I've ever got COVID is usually from you.
All right, Well should we get to talking to Yvonne.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, let's talk with our friend and writer for wee
can Sirpa, Yvonne Pasquini.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
How's it going good?

Speaker 4 (30:29):
I like your glasses, Holly, my gosh, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
I need reading glasses.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Oh man, don't we all soon enough? It's so nice
to see you.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah. Gee's like you've been through it.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
I guess so I guess I have been.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
I feel I have total uh survivor's guilt and that
like I didn't have it that bad.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
It's been stressful, but it hasn't been too bad.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
I mean you have to have perspective.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, I know it's true, but it doesn't mean that
you don't. What you felt wasn't real, like exactly right
like you were you guys left? How soon after the
fires broke out and the palisades or the eating fire?
Like when when did you decide it's time for us
to get up and go? And just so our listeners
know you live.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
We're starting.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Oh, we're in it, We're in it now?

Speaker 2 (31:24):
You live?

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (31:25):
By by ucla Ish?

Speaker 5 (31:28):
I live in West La West La Okay La, so.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
South of West West Way. What you're thinking about?

Speaker 5 (31:35):
Yeah, Luckily my family was safe and you know, we
didn't have to evacuate.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
We were never really in the path of the fires.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Yeah, however, we're about I would say, ten miles away
from the Palisades fire.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Huh.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
We definitely could feel it here even though we weren't
right there. It was definitely super windy that first day,
Like I remember, like walking outside in all.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
The trees or just like the palm trees are swaying.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Had you experience that before you go? Because you know,
how long have you lived in La? Now you moved
from New York City or did you move from New York? Right?

Speaker 4 (32:13):
I moved from New York.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
Yeah, so I've been in LA for about twelve years now,
and so I've grown used to like, Okay.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
We have fire warnings and things that happened, I mean
sant Ana winds, yeah exactly.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
I Mean what what's interesting is the night before So
it was like that Monday night before, my my sister
in law sent me a text message with like basically
it was I guess the alert that's the or the
advisory like you know, life threatening winds you know, destructed
Like it was so over the top dramatic. The map

(32:47):
had like the whole like La County.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Circled, and I'm like, is this real?

Speaker 5 (32:52):
Like I honestly thought it was fake news because it
was so like dramatic, and so I googled it and
it was like, okay, this is likely real, Like there's
going to be these this.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
High wind event.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
Okay, I guess like I'm not going to go hiking
this week, or like I'm going to stay indoors.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
But like I didn't think about it, like of.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
Course, you know, we get alerts all the time and
we're just like okay, like just stay indoors.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
We'll be fine. Maybe there'll be a fire. Certainly never
imagined something like this fire.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
NATO essentially no, and so.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
I did.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
So it was honestly the night before I got an
alert from the city, like you know, from my sister
in law. Then an hour later alert from the city,
by the way, there's going to be high winds, like
stay indoors, yeah, start fires.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
And yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
By the next morning the Palisades fire started and it
was super windy that day. It was like what I said,
you know, palm trees blowing, and you know we're ten
miles away, so we could see start to see like
the dark smoke coming up, you know, through the buildings.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
By the next day, like the whole sky was basically black.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Very ominous, not not typical la And so it was
definitely really scary or just sort of unsettling at first, right,
it never felt like, oh my gosh, like I'm gonna
have to evacuate, but I definitely felt like this sense
of dread, the sense of something bad was going to happen.

(34:21):
And it didn't help when then they eat and fire
started and then the sunset fire started, and it just
sort of felt like, oh, I'm far away enough, but
then these other fires are starting to pop up, like
in hours, and so like maybe I'm not okay and
maybe I'm gonna have to evacuate. We did pack a
go bag and we were like, okay, what do we bring,

(34:43):
and so we it's like your photo albums and your
you know, important documents, and you know, I had to
ask my ten year old son like pack a few things,
and like that was really sad for me, like to
have to him to do that. And he picked just
so you know, he picked his Nintendo's which and his
magic eight ball, so those are.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
His priorities.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
So he did get the Nintendo Switch for Christmas.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
Oh, he did get it for Christmas, yes, and so
that was like a top a top thing, but still,
I mean, he was definitely freaked out, and I think
we were all freaked out.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
And so luckily we have relatives who are out of.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
Town, and so it was Wednesday night, right after the
sunset fire burst out, and suddenly we felt like we
were kind of surrounded by fire. They were just kind
of closing in, and so we decided to leave town
and stay with family. And we're really lucky that we
had that opportunity. I know, not a lot of people
had that eve or had families. So grateful that we

(35:45):
could step away from it, but also a little scary
to leave your house and just be like, okay, yeah, lea,
it's here.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
When we come up, this works out, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
And part of the reason you left too was the
air quality was like it was pretty grocious there for
a while across the La Basin, right, it was really bad.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
And so I would say Wednesday, I was saying how
the cloud covering everything, like the quality was really bad, and.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
So we left.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
And that was the reports that I was getting from
my friends and my neighbors who are still here, like
you're not missing anything, like there's.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Ash all over our cars.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Yeah, you really go outside, you definitely have to wear
a mask. And so I'm glad that I we weren't
there for that thick of it. I mean, even still
this week, people are still talking about air quality. People
are still wearing masks. I mean not everyone, but fair amount,
just because I guess even if it says it's good

(36:43):
air quality the way that they don't really take an
account to many of the toxins that might still be
in the air, sure, burning plastics and how stuff, and
so you know, la people are very alert about health
matters and things.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
People are taking it really seriously.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
And so as removed as you were able to get
how how did it feel seeing you know? I mean
I imagine you were seeing it on news sources of
some form, whether it's socials or TV or whatever your
form is. We discussed it a bit, you know, via

(37:23):
a few texts, but you know, what was that? I mean,
it was stunning to see it. And we've we're not
going to get into this now, but we've been in
the thick of fires, nothing and bad ones, but this,
you know, was just catastrophic and absolute devastation, and you
could just hardly believe you could hardly believe it, and

(37:43):
how fast it happened. You know, what was it? How
did you feel seeing that in your I mean, you
know you're an.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Angelino now, I know. I mean I think all of
us are still in a complete shock.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
I mean every time I have a conversation with anyone now,
everyone's like dazed and sort of stumped and.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Walking around a little bit like zombies.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
I mean, it does feel like someone died in a way,
you know, Like I would say, everyone that I know
knows someone who is affected by the fires in some way,
even if I personally wasn't affected beyond having some stress.
I mean, we all know people who have had that
head their house burned down, or have been displaced or

(38:28):
you know, had to evacuate. And so having to hear
those stories, having to see that and like having it
be like having a front rope to that is really challenging.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
And I'm just so heartbroken.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
I mean, just for these communities, people losing their homes,
it's so sad. But also you know, speaking to someone
that lives in Los Angeles, like these are places that
I really loved, you know, I loved.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Hike, especially in the Palisades.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
I mean that is my go to hiking places, the Palisades,
and those are all my favorite trails that are there.
I mean, I even did a story on one of
the neighborhoods in the Palisades, the castell A Mare neighborhood,
which was so beautiful.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
The stairway, the stairway, walk right.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
Stairway walk right, like, So this was a neighborhood that
was built in the nineteen twenties that looked like like
the Italian coast, Like it was like a dream neighborhood,
like beautiful Mediterranean homes, like overlooking the ocean, and like
it was just so delightful to walk through there. And
I'm so glad that I did. But I also feel
like a sense of grief and sun is that it's gone,

(39:33):
and like it's never I mean, they will rebuild it,
I'm sure, but it's never going to be the same.
And so that's how I feel as an outsider. I
can't even imagine having lived there and going through that.
So I can't speak to that, but I can just
speak to the.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Grief of just some of my favorite places.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
In Los Angeles being gone, it's just super sad. And
in terms of the nature trails, I mean, this is
somewhere that I would go for to get away from
it all.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
And feel you know, replenished.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
And these places were so special in nature, and so
it's so hard to think like, oh, my favorite trails
have all been burned through and that I won't have
access to those things, or no one from the city
will have access to those things yours.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
And it's so hard because we seek nature for respite
and comfort. Yes, and you know when you're like, well, hey,
I can't even go outside because you know, the air
quality is so bad and be there's you know, work
and you know that excellent La Times piece that you
sent which has did a great you know analysis of

(40:42):
the fires and the many many many trails closed and
also parks has closed for now for basic safety.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
I think the La Times reported fifty four hikes have
been affected in the LA area. And so is the
fact that it was not only on the west side
but also on the east side and Running Canyon. I mean,
like it is horrible for La hiking because it's really
affected all besides maybe Griffith Park. It's it's affected all
of our major hiking areas that are close to us,

(41:10):
and so now we're just going to have to travel
a lot further if we want to get that nature.
But also I wouldn't advise hiking right now because we
still have red flag warnings. I think it lifts today,
but still, like the conditions are terrible for hiking. You
don't want to be stuck out there in these dry right,
no backcountry when you know, anything could happen. So I

(41:31):
would not advise hiking at this moment in La.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah, it's Friday, January twenty fourth that we're recording this. Yeah,
that's very well, that's very wise. You did do a hike,
a guided hike. Can you tell us about that that?

Speaker 4 (41:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
When I saw I saw you know, your posts, and
I felt hopeful because I remember doing a hike after
the fires here and by the Sonoma Ecology Center and
just and it had it had been affected. So it
was several months after the fires, the sort of just
seeing the trees and you know the way that nature

(42:06):
can be resilient. It takes time. And you know, I'm
not in any way sugarcoating a shit sandwich, right, now.
But I'm just I was that hike that look so sure?

Speaker 5 (42:18):
I mean, like I said, I'm not really going hiking
now because one of the air quality in two. It's
just it doesn't seem practical. But there is a woman
named Stephanie Carrey. She runs the Instagram account Trees of
La and she was offering guided tours of trees in
different parks in LA and so I saw that she

(42:41):
was doing one in Culver City, which is pretty close
to me.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
So I went to this.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
Park, Carlson. It's called Carlson Park, I think, and apparently
La is one of the most diverse urban forests in
the country.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Didn't know that.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
But in this little park there were all different kinds
of trees. And you know, I'm not a big tree person.
I'm not great about like identifying them, but to actually
take the time and like look at the different bark
and the different shapes of the leaves, there was something that.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Was really nice about that.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
And you know, you're right, like trees are super resilient.
These trees have been here for many, many years, and
it felt good to kind of pay attention to what
beauty is still standing here in LA. There's still a lot,
and it makes you feel like trees are resilient, people
are resilient, the city's resilient.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
The community coming together, the community because it is such
a collective trauma. What other advice do you have, like
for some self care for lack of it sounds like
a platitude, I know, but for lack of a better
phrase at this moment.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
Self care, I guess, find those little spots of beauty,
right Like, I mean, this is going to be you know,
I know, probably the news is kind of stopped talking
about the fires as much, but this is kind of
like our new normal now in LA and we're going
to be dealing with this for.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
A while, and so.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
Seek out the beauty where we can, right like, whether
it's in our parks, there's other trails that we can
we can walk on, and you know, I'm there's also
you know, some hiking groups here in LA who are
doing some restoration work.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
So let me see if I write the names down.
It's so it's like.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
We explore Earth or La Hikes. If you go onto
their pages, they're looking for volunteers. So once the trails
open up, which might.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Be for a while.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
It's not a community, you know, they're looking for volunteers
to help doing clean up efforts. I think a lot
of people are trying to volunteer now as a way
of self care because we feel a little bit helpless
and we don't know what to do. It's actually been
really heartwarming to see how the community is rising up
to help. I mean they're like turning volunteers away. They

(44:58):
have so many donations because everyone is wanting to do something,
and so that actually gives me a lot of pride
for LA like that, you know, we're rising in this
this terrible time but coming together.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
But also just I don't know, I've been doing a
lot of yoga.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's my self care because you know, quiet moments,
you know. I think a lot of people are being
staying in more right now. It feels not like I mean,
it's not COVID, but it does feel like people are
kind of just sticking with their families and thinking about
what matters and.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Hibernating a bit. Yeah, in a good way, In.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
A good way. Yeah, I can care.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, like you mentioned earlier that you're just going to
have to probably go further for a while to get
to some hiking trails. Is there any places that maybe
you're excited to go explore or like, well, now I
got to go check this place out.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Is there any kind of I'll.

Speaker 5 (46:01):
Be I mean, this is like a little heart wrenching
for me. But my goal this year was to explore
Eating Cannon area, like because that is far away from me,
because I have outside of town and so I'm kind
of bombed. And so that's I guess this is sort
of the live in the moment, right, Like the things
that you expect.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
To be there all the time may not be.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
And then their nature center burned down, correct.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
Their nature center built down, but also just all the
trails there have been affected, and so that was kind
of the place that I was planning to go. I
do love the Santa Monica Mountains and so and a
lot of that was affected. But further north near Ventura
that has been maybe I'll be heading down Orange County
and doing some hiking there.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
I mean, we'll see. I'm not going to stop.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Good for you, Well, we don't want you to stop
because we need some new stories.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
You're gonna keep you busy.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
I'm not going to stop.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
And Griffith Park too, I mean, there's so much, so
many trails there that I haven't explored yet, So there
I will find other things.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
It just won't be as accessible as it was.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
You're so adventurous, so and I know and your spirit's
there and I know you're going to go do it.
And just going back to the in canyon they I
think you mentioned they were that you can donate to
help them. Ready, in so many places you can donate,
I know.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
I think so their.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
Nature center had burned down and so they were collecting
money for the rebuilding of that at this time. I
think you can go on their website and donate there.
So I will say this, I think a lot of
people one lest thing, Yeah, a lot of people are
probably going to be curious about these trails, and I
will say.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
That everything that I read is like don't go on them.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
That I guess like nature will restore itself, but it
takes a long time, and so it's best that like
humans don't like walk through there.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
One first of all, there's a lot of ash and
stuff there.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
But then two like nature needs to time to regenerate,
and so like don't go like walk around, don't there
like throwing seeds there trying to help it, don't try to,
you know, just let it.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Be and and in time it'll get better.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, that's good advice, great advice.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
Because I think people are gonna be curious, like, oh,
I wonder what it's like, and I guess it might
be more destructive than they want it to be, and
it might take it make the restoration take longer.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
It's going to take a while, but I'll come back.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah, And I know there's rain in the forecast, which
is you know, good and then also concerning because.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Of exactly we need the rain.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
I mean, the trails are dry now, but yes, hopefully
it's like a light bitter pattern, nothing happens.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Well, we need to get you out on another weekend,
suirp a trip.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I mean we've been.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
You've been with us to Washington and Oregon and most
recently reading Yes, you were great and that reading.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
I'm gonna hit you up for reno.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
We get some other adventures coming up, so we'll definitely
keep you on speed dial.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Thank you. I love traveling with you guys, so much fun.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
That's great having you, and thanks a lot for taking
some time out to go over this with us. It's
really important and so glad that you and your family
are are okay, and your house is okay, and just
hang in there. It's gonna be it's gonna be a
tough going for a little while, but you guys are resilient.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Thank you so much of course.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Always good to see move on.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
Nice to see you too,
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