April 6, 2025 • 42 mins
Judy Moran, once known as the matriarch of Melbourne’s most notorious criminal family, became a central figure in the city’s brutal gangland wars. Linked to a string of high-profile murders, Judy’s name was never far from headlines as her family—husband, sons, and eventually even her brother-in-law—fell victim to the violent world they helped shape. In 2009, the story took a darker turn when Judy was convicted of orchestrating the murder of Des Moran, her late husband's brother. Her downfall marked the end of the Moran family's dominance in Melbourne's criminal underworld, sealing her legacy as both a mother and mastermind in one of Australia’s bloodiest crime sagas.
Join Holly & Matthew as they delve into the life and legacy of Judy Moran, from family matriarch to convicted murderer, and what her story reveals about the true cost of life in Melbourne’s underworld.
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Join Holly & Matthew as they delve into the life and legacy of Judy Moran, from family matriarch to convicted murderer, and what her story reveals about the true cost of life in Melbourne’s underworld.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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That's the way a number of Australians have described the
alleged encounter with the Yowi. It's time the Weird Crap
in Australia podcast. Welcome to the week Crap in Australia Podcast.
(00:46):
I'm your host Matthew Sol joining me of course for
another episode that been three five seven is Holy Soul.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hello, how are you.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Doing today, Holly?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
It's a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Sunday means workday both for myself and Holly, so we
have very different weekends to the rest of you, nor meis.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I mean, generally speaking, I have different weeks to most peoples.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
You do you do that split weekend is a pain
in the ass. I have to say, well, last week
we went and saw an exhibition. We went to see
the Pompeii exhibition at the National Museum. Not a sponsor,
though they could be if they wanted to, And I
have to say I quite into it myself, especially like
the volcano, the simulated volcano that goes off every ten
(01:30):
to twenty minutes, and all of the audio visual displays
that they have on there. Though I would say comparatively
to some of the other exhibitions, there wasn't as much
on display as some of the other exhibitions we've seen
over the last few years.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, the Egyptian one was definitely much bigger than that.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I think the dream Works one was probably the biggest
one so far that they've ever done, but that also
included a giant, life sized toothless hanging off a roof
and a lot of different animation props and sketches and
things like that. Yeah, but I would encourage you to
go and utilize your local museum if there is one
close to you. It's always important to support these things
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because unfortunately, if we don't support them, they start to
pulling funding, which is never good. We like education and
we like history, and so do you because you're listening
to this podcast. Well, we are two episodes out from
finishing this series. In retrospect, I am glad it is over.
I now understand why we dragged our feet on it
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for so long.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And just think this is only two out of the
possible four or five sides that I could have shown.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, this is a brief overview, which will equate to
about I think probably about five hours worth of recording.
Moth We're finished, same episode. So yeah, a brief overview
a five hour long podcast series.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, because I cut a lot of details out.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
So where we left it last week was the history,
the life and times of one Les Marine and his
eventual death at the hands of a contract killer, most
probably set upon him by one Carl Williams. But that
is not the end of the story. As far as
the Marianne family goes. There is one Marane left standing
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and that is Judy Moran, and revenge is the game
of the day. Take it away, Holly.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
With Lewis dead, the Moran dynasty was over. His businesses
were shuttered or sold, his network dissolved, and allies vanished
into prison, retirement or coffins. Carl Williams, the man once
gunned down by Jason Moran, had not only survived, but outplayed, outgunned,
and outlived the entire Morane bloodbline. The streets Lewis once ruled,
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now belonged to his enemies, and the Marine legacy, once
synonymous with power, had become a cautionary tale of hubris, vengeance,
and ruin.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I mean, when you enlist the aid of a unhinged
lunatic to b UIN four, so generally that's going to
happen in the I mean, I've said it in the
previous episodes, but Jason was an absolute fucking dickhead, and
maybe if his dad had done a better job, maybe
he wouldn't have been such an out of controlled dickhead
and essentially created their Joker esque villain that they had
(04:10):
to deal with.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Judia Moran, now a widow and the grieving mother of
two murdered sons, could have faded into quiet obscurity, but
retreat was never her style. She refused to accept the
public narrative that her family were criminals. Instead, how sorry
to break in, but how could she?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
She was?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
She knew she was, Everyone knew they were.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
She portrayed them in the media as victims targeted unfairly
by police, bilified by the media, and betrayed by those
they had once protected. That's a luugh someone who knows
the real story.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Look, I've said it on previous episodes and going through
a counseling course with the intention of being a counselor
by the end of it, there's a lot of components
of psychology that that incorporated into my course, and I
think I need to suggest to my lecturers once we
get two things like denial and grief, I think I
need to suggest to them that the case study should
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be Judy Moran going forward.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
What do you think she definitely offers a lot of opportunity.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yes, she does. We have a quote here. The estranged
wife of slain Melbourne Underweld figure Lewis Morine has signed
a contract with celebrity agent Harry M. Miller and plans
to write a book detailing her notorious family's life. Judy
Moran on Monday told AAP that she decided to write
a book after her husband was shot dead in a
Pokey's club while enjoying a beer and a bet just
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twelve days ago. I decided I wanted to write a book.
The moment I found out Lewis was dead, she said,
I have lost two sons, two husbands, two very dear friends,
and I'm finding it hard to cope with it all.
My solicitor approached mister Miller about signing a contract and
I met him in Sydney on the weekend. It was
a very harrowing twenty four hours, but the contract was signed.
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Judy Morian signs with A and Sydney Morning Herald to
April twelfth, two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I know that gangland figures are used to losing their
friends and family, but Jesus Christ, he's not even in
the ground yet.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well, she's got to show her up of money in
the future, doesn't she. Yeah, you know, and this is
not this is really not the outside the scope of
the mob wife. Quite often they do this, And I
think to be a successful criminal partner, I think you
have to have a high element of self interest, Yeah,
(06:34):
as part of your baseline personality. Yeah, And I think
that is evident in how they act during, after, and
before they walk into that world. Judy knew that she
Judy knew that she was now on her own. She
has no financial support coming through anymore. Someone shooting her
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is also a likely possibility, So netting yourself an exclusive
book deal with no doubt a generous advance being put up,
as well as all of their assets which was probably
going to end up having a liquid eate anyway, with
an eventual move planned. I think that Judy is doing
exactly what someone with her personality type would do in
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that scenario.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
In interviews, court appearances, and even in her self published
memoir My Story, Judy denied everything, insisting that Lewis, Mark
and Jason were misunderstood men, wrongfully accused and violently hunted.
She became a fixture of the tabloids, photographed in funeral
black or fending off reporters, a symbol of stoic denial
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amid Mount Everest sized evidence to the contrary.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Within two weeks of Lewis's death in two thousand and three,
Judy Morine had signed a contract to write her autobiography.
In it, she thanked her hairdresser for all the hairstyles
you created for me, for the funerals of all my family.
Quote from Australian gangster Judy Morine, convicted of killing brother
in law Sam's Thursday tenth of Barns twenty eleven, The Guardian.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Beneath the service, Judy Moran was not done. Her feud
with Desmond Tuppus Moran, Lewis's younger brother, was long standing
and vicious. Des Moran had distanced himself from the family's
drug operations, choosing instead to run his own smaller gambling rackets,
and vocally disapproved of Judy's influence. He accused her of
profiting from the deaths of Lewis, Mark and Jason, and
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publicly criticized her in the press and to associates. Their
financial disputes stemming from inheritance claims and property disagreements only
deep in the personal animosity for Judy, des wasn't just
an annoyance. He was a threat, a loose end, and
a symbol of descent within the shattered remains of the
Moran legacy. In her mind, he had to go.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Not Carl Williams. No, not the gang of edit idiots
and lunatics that had essentially destroyed the Marine empire.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
No, the man standing between her and the Marine fortune.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Exactly a right. Again, this is very very typical for
a mob wife. We have a quote here. No money
was forthcoming from Tuppens for Judy after Lewis's death. So
Judy decided to get even what beggars belief here is
that the only person who knows the whereabouts of the
money would be killed. Now, if that's not the dumbest
thing ever, I don't know what is. But that's how
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Judy operated. Well, I can see where Jason got it
from her. She conspired with others to have Tuppins killed.
She was successful in that enterprise is dead and she's
doing a very long sentence. The burning question of where
the money is has gone to the grave with Tuppens.
Quote from Andrew Fraser The Morans, twenty twelve Murdoch Books.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
On June fifteenth, two thousand and nine, Des Morane was
gunned down in broad daylight Nascot bail. This wasn't just
any day. It was the ninth anniversary of Mark Moran's murder,
and for Judy Moran that was no coincidence.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Witnesses say Lewis Morine's former wife, Gangland matriarch Judy Marine,
arrived at the scene shortly after the shooting, and Kakkek
said he was standing at the tram stop on Union
Road when he heard several gunshots, then saw a man
running up the road after the car pulled up. I
heard three shots in succession, bang, bang, bang, and then
there was a little slight pause, then a fourth one bang,
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and then the guy took off up the road. I
turned around. I saw this guy walking out of the
shop and he's literally dropped to the ground. The last
thing I saw was, Firstly, I don't think this dude
knows how sentence structure works. The last thing I saw
was firstly, yeah, the guy dropped into the ground, and
then secondly the guy running off and thirdly the car
(10:39):
speeding off. That's all I saw. Mister kakkehk said he
saw Judy Marine arrive at the scene. She was like screaming,
oh DESSI, oh DEAISI, he said. Des Marien shot dead
in Melbourne, Delhi, ABC News, Monday, fifteenth June two thousand
and nine.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Anyone who knew the relationship between Dez and Judy would
know that there is there's no way that that would
have been anything other than fake.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well, it's like Homer Simpsons when he finds out that
they've inherited part of old Aunt Hortensor's fortune and He's like.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Oh, what hortense, That's probably what Judy was doing. Oh Daisy,
you better have left instructions.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
To the money.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
She is a silly, fucking, fucking picture. My goodness, is
that rude of me to say.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, she killed a lot, she helped, She orchestrated a
criminal empire that hurt a lot of innocent people. Like,
let's let's talk about the morality just for a little
bit here. Judy Moran comes from a gangster family. Fine, right,
first husband involved in gangland shit Didney drugs right, second
husband one of the most brutal gangsters in Melbourne, her
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children following up pretty quickly behind him.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Not drugs.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And one thing that people forget is that drugs And
while I'm softer on this issue, the most things but
drugs are pedaled to children. Drugs create addiction, and drugs
when they're not prepared properly. And let's face it, do
you really think the Marines gave a shit about quality control?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
The Marines, Yes, the Williams.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
No Williams, certainly not when it comes to the quality
control of the product, and whether it's dangerous or not
is really not a factor for these people. So the
Marine family and Judy made their money, their lifestyle, their comfort.
They got to go on the holidays, they got to
have the house, they got to have the cars, they
got to have the life. And that was all built
on the suffering of others. That was built on the
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deaths of others, the maiming of others, the addiction of others,
the exploitation of people. All of those things happened to
benefit Judy and her lifestyle. And at the end of
the day, I think I can call her a silly
fucking bitch for being a part of that, just like
I would call her husband a silly fucking bastard and
her children drop hick fucking losers. Right, I think I
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can say that. So if you don't agree, that's okay too.
Look at me being more generous reasonable an.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
He had insults to everybody on an equal level.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I might like. I've briefly mentioned the book series in
one of my counseling lectures just because we were talking
about I think it was Psychopaths that day. And so
if any of my classmates are listening to this and
can pick up the very big difference between me being
a student in a lecture and me doing this podcast.
I'm sorry if it's shocked you. But there's there's Matt
(13:45):
the entertainer, Matt the professional, Matt the student, Matt the friend,
Matt the husband, Matt the family member, Matt the brother,
Matt the you know what I'm saying, all different aspects
of myself, Matt the party animal, not anymore too old
for that shit. I gave up on that when I
turned thirty.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I think the location of Des Moran's murder was close
to the heartland of the Marine Empire, and Des was
stepping out of a cafe heading towards his car, unaware
he was walking into an ambush. The hit, meant to
be quick and clean, turned out to be sloppy and chaotic,
a far cry from the surgical strikes of the earlier
Gangland War.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, they always seem to use shotguns, which is one
of the biggest, loudest guns you can have at a
very very close range. They are absolutely lethal, but they're
also big and bulky to carry around.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
That's why they saw them off.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Of course. Yeah, and one hundred percent agree with you,
But the problem is, like you got to get it
under your coat, then you've got to get it out.
Then you've got to put it to the person. Then
you got to shoot him, and it's going to be loud,
and then there's a chance that if they duck, they're
only going to cop some of the pellets, etc. Etc.
It's a really bulky, scattery weapon to use to assassinate people.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Which also means that it's something that beginners can use
rather than a handgun in which they have to actually aim.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Oh yeah, it's like walking into it would be like
taking a canon with a cannon ball and aiming it
at someone like a meter away. You know you're gonna hit,
You're gonna do devastation, And like you said, for a novice,
it's a great weapon.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Jeffrey Nuts Armor was the trigger man.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
His name was not Nuts. Oh was it Nuts because
he was crazy? Or was it nuts because he had
two large testicles.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Two teas, so I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Or maybe he only had one testicle and that was
it was a pun. Hey Nuts, your no only got one?
Something like that. Maybe anyway, continue on. Sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Armor wasn't just any criminal. It was a violent repeat offender,
well known to police and deeply entrenched in Melbourne's underworld.
He approached das on the street and open fire, killing
him in front of horrified bystanders, some of whom were
patrons at nearby cafes and shops.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I can just see two people turning to each other. Yeap,
just another day in Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Didn't realize we'd traveled this fun. The murder caused immediate
public panic, triggering a rapid police response. Unlike the professional
hits of the past, this was clumsy, amateur, and left
a trail of evidence that police followed with ease.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Mark Rochford's SSA prosecuting told the court that the murder
sprang from a row over money between Judy Morine and
her brother in law. This was a planned and calculated
murder motivated by Judy Moran in an ongoing financial dispute
with Desmran, he said. The Melwyn Herald's son reported that Farigi,
who gave evidence against Judy Moran, told the court he
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had believed he was on a debt collecting mission for
Reigi identified Judy Moran as the driver and said she
told him and Amour to get rid of the evidence
after the shooting. Amore has pleaded guilty to murder, while
Ferrugi has pleaded guilty to manslaughter. Quote from Australian gangster
Judy Moriane convicted of killing brother in law Sam Jones,
Thursday tenth of March twenty eleven The Guardian.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Judy Moran's downfall came swiftly. Just hours after the killing,
she was caught on CCTV her witness statements, attempting to
dispose of the getaway car.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
She was also singing I'm in the MARNEI men the Marne,
which was very, very suspicious at the time.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
The vehicle tied her directly to the planning and execution
of the hit. In the subsequent search of her home,
police found the murder weapon and incriminating documents, including maps,
notes and communications with armor. The evidence was damning. There
was no escape, no denial strong enough to erase the
trail she had left. Judy had not only orchestrated the
murder of her brother in law, Lewis's only flesh and
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blood remaining, but had done so without the ruthlessness or
caution that wants to find her family's operations. She was
the drop kick in this scenario.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
G yes absolutely absolutely. Following the verdict, police released video
footage of officers searching her home and at detectives emptied
a concealed safe and discovered handguns, a wig, a scheme, mask,
and a magazine of hollow point bullets. Judy marine her
denying knowledge of the contents of the safe. Quote from
Australian gangster Judy Moran, convicted of killing brother in law
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Sam Jones, Thursday tenth of March twenty eleven with The Guardian.
Can I can I explain this a little bit? I
feel like we need to explain what has happened. So
Les represented the last of a educated criminal empire.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Not educated, but very self made.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Well educated in their own system. Yep, does that make sense?
So Le's knew who to hit, when to hit them,
when it was appropriate, when to fight and when not
to fight. So in regards to all of this money,
right Dez knows where it's all located. Des isn't playing ball. Judy,
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even without that money, could have lived a very happy life.
This is where the insign the sense of entitlement really
shines through here, because Judy has always been treated by
like a princess. This is our work, this is my family,
this is what I deserve. Pretty much her entire life,
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Judy was a stay at home. That is not to
disparage any stay at home mums at all. I would
like to be a stay at home dad, not because
I think it's less work, but because I would rather
deal with a little baby boss that I helped make
that as a family member, rather than a shitthead corporation, rather.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Than the big adult baby boss that you have to
deal with.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Now, yes, exactly right. So in those regards, Judy was
not a member of the operations. Day to day. Judy
didn't understand the rules. So when it came time for
Judy to quote unquote enter the criminal world, she was
unprepared and uneducated on how to do it properly. She
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hires two idiots, she has sche masks for them. I'm
surprised that there was like a rendezvous set up with
a secret car or a you know, maybe she watched
the run that, yeah, the Dark Knight would have came out.
Maybe she watched that about three or four times and
tried to copy some stuff from the Dark Knight movie.
Or perhaps she watched The Goodfellas or The Godfather on repeat.
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But she never lived in this world. She just benefited
from it. And so if you're sitting there thinking, dear listener,
how the hell could someone be so fucking stupid? Well,
it's because she assumed that it was a lot easier
to do these sort of things than it is.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Everyone's stupid at doing stuff like this when it's their
first go round, and though she's been in the world
for twenty thirty ish years, this is her first go around.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
If you're a stay at home partner and your partner
is it professional and they constantly talk about coding all
day every day, and you have a basic understanding of
their work, if they suddenly fell sick for a couple
of weeks, do you really expect you would be able
to code for them and cover for them in their job.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Not even baguely, of course.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Not, because you haven't lived the world. You don't have
the education or the experience. Les was a professional criminal,
raised in the old school of professional criminals. He would
never have done this because it didn't serve any purpose. Right,
your source of information is gone now. Kidnapping him, torturing
him and slowly cutting off his bits and pieces, that's
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a move that you can do. And then on top
of that, he wouldn't have been able to say that
it was Judy who did it, because then he would
have looked weak himself and.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
He would have broken the Ganglane code of silence.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
That's right, that's how you get your money. But then
you also and then once you've got your money, then
you kill him. Oh, he doesn't come after you for revenge.
But that's not what Judy did. This is an amateur
playing at a professional game, and that's why she got
caught so bloody quickly, as did her people, who by
all accounts were not the best people. So she just
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hired whoever was in her circle. They too, idiots, put
their hands up and they both got They all three
of them got charged, and Judy lost all her money
and Dez didn't get to spend a single cent of his.
One could also argue if Dez had just come to
the table, he could have saved his own life. At
a certain point, a wealth is not worth your life.
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I don't really think any financial compensation is probably worth
your life, and that sort of comes down to person person.
I'm sure police, military, even ambulance officers might disagree with me,
and they're right to do so. Hm. But yeah, maybe
if Dez had come to the table, he wouldn't end
up on the table full of shotgunsholls as shotgun pellets.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I should say the police widened their net and two
others were arrested. Suzanne Kan, the partner of Jason Moran
and mother of his children, was charged as an accessory,
having played a role in the logistics and aftermath of
the murder.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
You could really write a comedy movie based on all this.
Can I just this bit alone? What would you get
a fuckps? Well it is. It's a comedy of errors.
So to stay at home, mum. Gangsters thought they'd be
able to off Desmran and then get all of the money.
It's I'm shocked that they weren't wearing pink balaklava's and
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have matching Gucci handbags. Also, again, I don't mention Gucci
handbags in respect to them being women. I mentioned them
in respect to that's what rich assholes buy rich suburbanites.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
There you go, that's all you need. Suzanne was later
given a two year suspended sentence, a lenient outcome reflecting
her limited involvement.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Judy, you told me that she's known Suzanne virtually all
her life. She looked upon her as a daughter, and
she'd known Jeff for some time. Mister Cook told the
court Sean Jeff was Suzanne's partner. Judy considered him part
of the family. In evidence, Judy said she thought Ahma
was quite a nice man. Wrote from a Life of
Lies that led to murder Paula Anderson The Advertiser, March ten,
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twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Michael for a year a closest Judy was convicted for
assisting with the disposal of the murder weapon and the vehicle,
sealing his own fate.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
On the morning of June fifteen, a maid of Vamar
Michael Ferugia, parked at the seven to eleven at the
end of Judy's street. He said he brought her a
copy of The Herald's Son before Arma drove him and
her to a Kingston cafe for breakfast. According to Ferugia,
Judy mentioned it was the anniversary of Mark's murder. During
the breakfast, Judy and I'd ever going there, saying Arma
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would dropped her off at a shop where she brought
flowers and she walked home. I was at the flower
shop lots of Simpson's quotes today, ate her mango in
toast and then headed off to Mark's grave.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I hope it wasn't mango on toast because that just
sounds vile.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, Surveillance police around her house watching Arma's movements, never
saw Judy and Arma's car or walking back to her
home as she suggested she did quote from a life
of lines that led to murder.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I don't think she suggested it. I think she outright
said it.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
The entire operation, born from personal vendetta and family infighting,
collapsed almost immediately, exposing Judy not as the queen pin
she imagines herself to be, but as a desperate relic
of a fallen empire trying to salvage power through reckless violence.
Judy Moran's conviction in twenty eleven marked the final collapse
of the Moran dynasty, and with it any illusion of
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invincibility that had clung to her name. Once the public
face of Melbourne's most feared crime family, often photographed flanked
by lawyers or sheltering behind oversized sunglasses, Judy was now
just another inmate in Victoria's prison system, Stripped of power, wealth,
and notoriety that had defined her for decades, Her defiance
in court turned into silence behind bars as the reality
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of her sentence set in twenty six years with no
chance of release before twenty thirty two, when she would
be nearly ninety years old.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
And just like with everyone who has sent us emails
concerning some of our most famous inmates, if any of
you have served time or know anyone who served time
with Judy Moran, who would absolutely love to hear what
she is like in prison. I think she's a troublemaker.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I think she gets her ass beat a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, I think she causes problems and then probably, like
you said, gets her ass kicked. Yeah. I'd love to
hear from any of you who have any contact there whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Life in dan Phyllis Frost's Center, Victoria's maximum security prison
for women, offered none of the comforts study had once enjoyed.
Gone with the pubs, clubs and poker machines that launded
her fortune, Gone with the associates and enforces the network
of fear she relied on for protection inside. Status meant nothing,
and the criminal celebrity offered no immunity. Among other inmates,
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Judy Moran was infamous, not respected. She was often isolated,
reportedly kept under special observation due to threats and her
high profile background. For a woman who had once orchestrated
murder from her kitchen. Prison was a final humiliation, powerless,
watched and ultimately gotten.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I mean, it just speaks to the greed though, like
she didn't have to end up like that. As far
as the law was concerned, she wasn't a problem anymore.
They could have she she could have taken her money,
she could have liquidated the assets that she had. She
no longer had dependence, she didn't have a husband, and
then she could have simply just picked up and went
back to Melbourne, sorry, picked up and moved to Sydney
(27:24):
or Perth, or sat a villa in Bali, or she
could have gone to New Zealand, she could have left.
I don't understand. Outside of greed and stupidity, there really
is no other explanation for what she did.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Trying to prove that she is just as powerful and
as she wasn't just relying on the men in her life.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
But she wasn't in an iota of self awareness would
have helped her to come to that realization on her
own right at a moment of self reflection.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Perhaps the moment of self reflection would have gotten her
out of the Gangland game up for her first husband
was killed.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You know, It's like I think about all the stuff
that we've done over the years and where the strengths
and weaknesses lie in both of us. So, for example,
when we go on an international trip, Holly has a
brain for putting together plans, organizing times, dates, all of
those sort of things. I'm the guy who comes up
(28:22):
with the ideas. I'm the ideas man. I need someone
like Holly to help me keep focused and actually help
me achieve the idea. It's one of my weaknesses, it's
one of my biggest weaknesses, and Holly fills that gap.
But at the same time my confidence and my ideas.
I think you need that to get a process started, right.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, And that's how we fit together. So if well,
I think either of us could manage without the other.
Not that we would want to, but I would never
be able to put together in an itinerary as well
as Holly does.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Holly obsesses over it for you at the time.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
She ends up with binders, yeah, you know, whereas I
just check it all on the phone and hope for
the best and wait for reminders from my calendar to
tell me where to go and what to do. But Holly,
you know, she is the planner. And I think when
it comes to someone like Judy, I think she gave herself.
I think she was probably the role in their relationship
(29:22):
of counselor. You know, he'd come home, he talk about
the problems. Perhaps she would offer a suggestion or two,
and perhaps sometimes her suggestions would pay off, you know,
as an advisor, as a confidant, as a comforter. I
think Judy was all of those things to Les Moran.
That does not make you a professional criminal. It makes
you a sounding board. And I think that she may
(29:43):
have misunderstood her role and misunderstood her abilities to a
point of other stupidity.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I mean, she misunderstood her role to the point where
she found out that she wasn't actually getting any of
the money that was going to the brother.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, exactly right. She had no idea how their finance
as were tied together. And let's be honest, do you
really think Les had a brain for making sure that
their foundation was safe? And I mean at the end
of the day, too, how much like cash do you
think was hidden just in their home?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Oh, probably a fair amount.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
You know, their property was valued around that time at
what two point five million, and.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
It was a million then it was two bo and
five roughly last year.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Right, So she could have just walked away, potentially as
a multimillionaire and had a good life. Yep, you know,
maybe found someone else, moved to a little country town,
joined the local council.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
The country Women's Association, had.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
A little country farm, husband or wife, whatever she wanted to.
Maybe she wanted to explore her sexuality in the later
years and just disappeared into obscurity. She could have done
all of that. It's only stupidity that motivated her not to.
She could have had a clean break. Yeah, sold sold
one of the cars, and like I said, I'm sure
(31:00):
there were tims of cash everywhere in her home.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I'm sure it's probably people still finding him today. Yeah, absolutely,
even behind bars. Judy tried to maintain her narrative in
her early years of incarceration. She continued to deny any wrongdoing,
describing herself as a victim of lies, betrayal, and media frenzy.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Media frenzy. L giver, That's all I'm going to give her.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
She wrote letters, reportedly began drafting more of her memoirs
and remained resolutely unrepentant, insisting that her family's downfall was
not of her making.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I don't think it was of her making specifically. I
think she married into crime. I don't think anything she
said or did was going to stop lez or Jason
or Mark doing what they did. I don't think she
was inclined to stop them anyway. But I don't think
it was her fault. Specifically. It was her fault that
she was in jail. It was her fault that she
(31:54):
tried to kill Daz. She did kill Jess, Yeah, that
she did kill je Daz. All of that is her responsibility.
The rest of it, however, you know, I would agree
like I don't think you could look at Judy Moran
and go, man, that's the brains of this operation, because
clearly it was. She wasn't. That's quite clear, just based
(32:15):
on her end. So you know, if she felt that
she was being blamed, I don't think she should have
been blamed necessarily outside of the regard that she was
profiting herself. But was anyone really blaming now?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I feel like that's more of the egotism than anything.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It's a bit self inflicted for trying to find some
sympathy maybe yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Time moves on and public fascination faded. The name miran
one's dominating headlines, became a relic and judy, once at
the center of a war that consumed Melbourne, became just
another prisoner serving out the inevitable end of a life
spent in the underworld. At least she got one.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah, yeah, she got to live. Out of all of them,
she survived us pose.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
The grandchildren of Lewis Moran have since changed their last name,
hoping to vanish into the relative obscurity that their parents'
lives can provide and to avoid being labeled as bad
eggs without cause.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Jason Moran's twin son and daughter were in the backseat
of his Mitsubishi van when a gunman shot him dead
after a junior footy clinic in June two thousand and three.
Following their father's death, Christian and Memphis, now aged twenty two,
change their surnames in a brid to protect themselves. A
family friend claims and mother, Trish, who was married to
Jason at the time he was murdered, joined the kids
(33:34):
by dropping the marine name. Trish wanted to protect the kids.
It's a pretty famous surname around Australia then and now.
A family friend said, quote from Jason and Mark Moran's
family's ditch famous surname the Daily Mail, Josh Henrahan, first
of March twenty nineteen. I know a little something of
what this is like of my family. Some of my
(33:55):
family members have carried the name Minogue, which, for the
most part art was a name that was thankfully popularized
by Kylie Minogue, but also had some negative connotations of
course when associated with the Minoga brothers, Russell Street bombing
and Minogue could be one of those names that was
(34:15):
either seen positively or very very negatively. So I understand
that I'm also the only Matthew Soul in the entirety
of Australia. I believe that as far as the Soul
family goes, there are not too many of us, but
the last name sold in Australia. So if one if
either myself or any of my family the science to
(34:37):
commit a crime, they'll probably end up with more infamy
than a name like Miran, because I mean, Miran is
a common enough name. But I completely understand the kids
wanting to make distance.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Especially when their dad was killed when they were eight
in front of them.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, like what did that world provide for them other
than trauma and misery?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Misery and trauma.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, there's nothing there for them, So I completely understand that.
I wonder if they still visit Grandma and jail.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
I don't think so. I think Rish keeps them well
away from her.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
They would all be smart too.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, and Aunt Suzanne is also still in jail, I.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Believe, so she'd be getting out soon though, what fifteen
years on manslaughter?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
She was an accessory, so I don't think she actually
had that longest thing. She's probably is out.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Actually, yeah, it should be out, it would be I
think you were. I think you're more thinking about the
assassins that one of them would be twenty twenty five,
So the year fifteen year man's slaughter of charge. If
he isn't out on parole, he will be soon. I'm
more definitely won't be seeing the outside of her cell
for at least another ten years, maybe more. And then, yeah,
(35:46):
Judy will probably the oldest she gets the she's got
eleven years left on a sentence, is she? So she's
eighty nine?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Seventy nine ish seventy nine?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Now I'm actually surprised she hasn't been.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Paroled, probably because of her last name.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Potentially potentially that's probably holding her back, but because lack
of remorse is a big one for parole boards. But
I am shocked that they haven't fallen for the like
I'm just a grandmother. I'd like to spend time with
my kids before I die. That being said, I think
Melbourne was quite happy to see the back of the
Marines and see them in prison for the rest of
(36:23):
their lives. I think I would probably factors in two.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I think it would have helped her cause a lot
more if she wasn't a member of the Moran family.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, because you could imagine the headlines tomorrow, couldn't you.
Moran family released from Moran matriarch released from prison early,
blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Blah, outrage in the streets.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
It's a way to lose an election.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
The Moran family, once ruling the streets of Melbourne with
iron fists, was undone, not just by rivals, but by
their own hubris, greed and escalating internal conflict. Did his
portrayal of dez Lewis's mismanagement of Carl Williams, the violent
recklessness of Mark and j We're not just errors in strategy.
There were death warrants delivered by their own hands. Their
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empire built on blood, drugs and intimidation crumbled from within,
collapsing under the weight of their own decisions. The Carl
Williams didn't have long to enjoy being the lead man
of the Melbourne Underworld, and we'll finish his story next week.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Ladies and gentlemen, we have one more episode.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
And it doesn't matter how much we have to cram it.
It will all be in one episode because I am
not doing any more of these.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
We never want to hear the words gangland ever again.
We have covered it.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Lawyer X will be the only accession and that is
a long way down the road.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, Lawyer Rex is going to be one of those
ones where we do like could probably end up being
a bit of a two partner, but that's going to
be another auxiliary story way down the track because it
is time to have a break from this. We knew
it was going to be big and we're barely scratching
the surface at eight episodes, so sorry, seven episodes. So
(38:00):
we're going to wrap it with Carl Williams. We're going
to leave it at that. We have covered the Melbourne
gangs from the Mathria through to the Marines through to
Williams with little fun side adventures with people like Mark
Chopper Read.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
And Squeazy Taylor back in the twenties.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
It is done and covered, all right, So before we
let you go, don't forget if you'd like to reach
out to us. As I said, if any of you
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(39:23):
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Just typing, we Crap In Australia into the search bar,
and as been the tradition of this series, Holly Nodoub
has a story from Reddit about another real life encounter
with a Melbourne gangster. Take it away, Holly, this.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
One's from Midnight Poet. I was managing a restaurant in
Gratton Street and Carlton, end of the night, kitchen closed
and only a couple of tables remaining. Our fonds Gangatino
walks in and politely requests a coffee. Already clean the machine,
but I seed him and make it anyway. What's two
hundred dollars in my hand? And says thank you. The
cafe around the corner said no, you're all right with me.
(41:06):
Felt like I had mob protection that night. Wow, for
a cup of coffee. Must have been a good cup
of coffee. I'd love a two hundred dollar tip for
making a cup of coffee. Fuck you, absolutely, thank you
very much for joining us, ladies and gentlemen. The conclusion
to the Gangland Wars it will be next week. Hope
you've enjoyed the series so far. We have one last
tale to tell before we are ride off into that
(41:27):
proverbial sunset. I've been your host, Matthew Soul joining me,
of course, was Holly Soul me. Please stay safe, be
kind to each other, and we will see you all
next week for more Weird Crap in Australia. Until then,
bye for now.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
By The Weird Crap in Australia podcast is produced by
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A strange, spiraling white light was spotted in the early
morning sky over Sydney, with even skeptical witnesses wondering if
it was a UFO. They were last seen on the
beach with the tall man and that's the best description
police have ever had of it.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
More than seventeen years after Harold Holt disappeared into raging
surf at Chevy A Beach, his widow has finally revealed
his last romantic words docky, terrifying, mesmerizing.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
That's the way a number of Australians have described the
alleged encounter with the Yowi. It's time the Weird Crap
in Australia podcast. Welcome to the week Crap in Australia Podcast.
(00:46):
I'm your host Matthew Sol joining me of course for
another episode that been three five seven is Holy Soul.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hello, how are you.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Doing today, Holly?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
It's a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Sunday means workday both for myself and Holly, so we
have very different weekends to the rest of you, nor meis.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I mean, generally speaking, I have different weeks to most peoples.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
You do you do that split weekend is a pain
in the ass. I have to say, well, last week
we went and saw an exhibition. We went to see
the Pompeii exhibition at the National Museum. Not a sponsor,
though they could be if they wanted to, And I
have to say I quite into it myself, especially like
the volcano, the simulated volcano that goes off every ten
(01:30):
to twenty minutes, and all of the audio visual displays
that they have on there. Though I would say comparatively
to some of the other exhibitions, there wasn't as much
on display as some of the other exhibitions we've seen
over the last few years.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, the Egyptian one was definitely much bigger than that.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I think the dream Works one was probably the biggest
one so far that they've ever done, but that also
included a giant, life sized toothless hanging off a roof
and a lot of different animation props and sketches and
things like that. Yeah, but I would encourage you to
go and utilize your local museum if there is one
close to you. It's always important to support these things
(02:09):
because unfortunately, if we don't support them, they start to
pulling funding, which is never good. We like education and
we like history, and so do you because you're listening
to this podcast. Well, we are two episodes out from
finishing this series. In retrospect, I am glad it is over.
I now understand why we dragged our feet on it
(02:30):
for so long.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And just think this is only two out of the
possible four or five sides that I could have shown.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, this is a brief overview, which will equate to
about I think probably about five hours worth of recording.
Moth We're finished, same episode. So yeah, a brief overview
a five hour long podcast series.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, because I cut a lot of details out.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
So where we left it last week was the history,
the life and times of one Les Marine and his
eventual death at the hands of a contract killer, most
probably set upon him by one Carl Williams. But that
is not the end of the story. As far as
the Marianne family goes. There is one Marane left standing
(03:14):
and that is Judy Moran, and revenge is the game
of the day. Take it away, Holly.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
With Lewis dead, the Moran dynasty was over. His businesses
were shuttered or sold, his network dissolved, and allies vanished
into prison, retirement or coffins. Carl Williams, the man once
gunned down by Jason Moran, had not only survived, but outplayed, outgunned,
and outlived the entire Morane bloodbline. The streets Lewis once ruled,
(03:41):
now belonged to his enemies, and the Marine legacy, once
synonymous with power, had become a cautionary tale of hubris, vengeance,
and ruin.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I mean, when you enlist the aid of a unhinged
lunatic to b UIN four, so generally that's going to
happen in the I mean, I've said it in the
previous episodes, but Jason was an absolute fucking dickhead, and
maybe if his dad had done a better job, maybe
he wouldn't have been such an out of controlled dickhead
and essentially created their Joker esque villain that they had
(04:10):
to deal with.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Judia Moran, now a widow and the grieving mother of
two murdered sons, could have faded into quiet obscurity, but
retreat was never her style. She refused to accept the
public narrative that her family were criminals. Instead, how sorry
to break in, but how could she?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
She was?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
She knew she was, Everyone knew they were.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
She portrayed them in the media as victims targeted unfairly
by police, bilified by the media, and betrayed by those
they had once protected. That's a luugh someone who knows
the real story.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Look, I've said it on previous episodes and going through
a counseling course with the intention of being a counselor
by the end of it, there's a lot of components
of psychology that that incorporated into my course, and I
think I need to suggest to my lecturers once we
get two things like denial and grief, I think I
need to suggest to them that the case study should
(05:11):
be Judy Moran going forward.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
What do you think she definitely offers a lot of opportunity.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yes, she does. We have a quote here. The estranged
wife of slain Melbourne Underweld figure Lewis Morine has signed
a contract with celebrity agent Harry M. Miller and plans
to write a book detailing her notorious family's life. Judy
Moran on Monday told AAP that she decided to write
a book after her husband was shot dead in a
Pokey's club while enjoying a beer and a bet just
(05:36):
twelve days ago. I decided I wanted to write a book.
The moment I found out Lewis was dead, she said,
I have lost two sons, two husbands, two very dear friends,
and I'm finding it hard to cope with it all.
My solicitor approached mister Miller about signing a contract and
I met him in Sydney on the weekend. It was
a very harrowing twenty four hours, but the contract was signed.
(05:58):
Judy Morian signs with A and Sydney Morning Herald to
April twelfth, two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I know that gangland figures are used to losing their
friends and family, but Jesus Christ, he's not even in
the ground yet.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well, she's got to show her up of money in
the future, doesn't she. Yeah, you know, and this is
not this is really not the outside the scope of
the mob wife. Quite often they do this, And I
think to be a successful criminal partner, I think you
have to have a high element of self interest, Yeah,
(06:34):
as part of your baseline personality. Yeah, And I think
that is evident in how they act during, after, and
before they walk into that world. Judy knew that she
Judy knew that she was now on her own. She
has no financial support coming through anymore. Someone shooting her
(06:55):
is also a likely possibility, So netting yourself an exclusive
book deal with no doubt a generous advance being put up,
as well as all of their assets which was probably
going to end up having a liquid eate anyway, with
an eventual move planned. I think that Judy is doing
exactly what someone with her personality type would do in
(07:17):
that scenario.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
In interviews, court appearances, and even in her self published
memoir My Story, Judy denied everything, insisting that Lewis, Mark
and Jason were misunderstood men, wrongfully accused and violently hunted.
She became a fixture of the tabloids, photographed in funeral
black or fending off reporters, a symbol of stoic denial
(07:40):
amid Mount Everest sized evidence to the contrary.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Within two weeks of Lewis's death in two thousand and three,
Judy Morine had signed a contract to write her autobiography.
In it, she thanked her hairdresser for all the hairstyles
you created for me, for the funerals of all my family.
Quote from Australian gangster Judy Morine, convicted of killing brother
in law Sam's Thursday tenth of Barns twenty eleven, The Guardian.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Beneath the service, Judy Moran was not done. Her feud
with Desmond Tuppus Moran, Lewis's younger brother, was long standing
and vicious. Des Moran had distanced himself from the family's
drug operations, choosing instead to run his own smaller gambling rackets,
and vocally disapproved of Judy's influence. He accused her of
profiting from the deaths of Lewis, Mark and Jason, and
(08:26):
publicly criticized her in the press and to associates. Their
financial disputes stemming from inheritance claims and property disagreements only
deep in the personal animosity for Judy, des wasn't just
an annoyance. He was a threat, a loose end, and
a symbol of descent within the shattered remains of the
Moran legacy. In her mind, he had to go.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Not Carl Williams. No, not the gang of edit idiots
and lunatics that had essentially destroyed the Marine empire.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
No, the man standing between her and the Marine fortune.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Exactly a right. Again, this is very very typical for
a mob wife. We have a quote here. No money
was forthcoming from Tuppens for Judy after Lewis's death. So
Judy decided to get even what beggars belief here is
that the only person who knows the whereabouts of the
money would be killed. Now, if that's not the dumbest
thing ever, I don't know what is. But that's how
(09:22):
Judy operated. Well, I can see where Jason got it
from her. She conspired with others to have Tuppins killed.
She was successful in that enterprise is dead and she's
doing a very long sentence. The burning question of where
the money is has gone to the grave with Tuppens.
Quote from Andrew Fraser The Morans, twenty twelve Murdoch Books.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
On June fifteenth, two thousand and nine, Des Morane was
gunned down in broad daylight Nascot bail. This wasn't just
any day. It was the ninth anniversary of Mark Moran's murder,
and for Judy Moran that was no coincidence.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Witnesses say Lewis Morine's former wife, Gangland matriarch Judy Marine,
arrived at the scene shortly after the shooting, and Kakkek
said he was standing at the tram stop on Union
Road when he heard several gunshots, then saw a man
running up the road after the car pulled up. I
heard three shots in succession, bang, bang, bang, and then
there was a little slight pause, then a fourth one bang,
(10:19):
and then the guy took off up the road. I
turned around. I saw this guy walking out of the
shop and he's literally dropped to the ground. The last
thing I saw was, Firstly, I don't think this dude
knows how sentence structure works. The last thing I saw
was firstly, yeah, the guy dropped into the ground, and
then secondly the guy running off and thirdly the car
(10:39):
speeding off. That's all I saw. Mister kakkehk said he
saw Judy Marine arrive at the scene. She was like screaming,
oh DESSI, oh DEAISI, he said. Des Marien shot dead
in Melbourne, Delhi, ABC News, Monday, fifteenth June two thousand
and nine.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Anyone who knew the relationship between Dez and Judy would
know that there is there's no way that that would
have been anything other than fake.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well, it's like Homer Simpsons when he finds out that
they've inherited part of old Aunt Hortensor's fortune and He's like.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Oh, what hortense, That's probably what Judy was doing. Oh Daisy,
you better have left instructions.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
To the money.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
She is a silly, fucking, fucking picture. My goodness, is
that rude of me to say.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, she killed a lot, she helped, She orchestrated a
criminal empire that hurt a lot of innocent people. Like,
let's let's talk about the morality just for a little
bit here. Judy Moran comes from a gangster family. Fine, right,
first husband involved in gangland shit Didney drugs right, second
husband one of the most brutal gangsters in Melbourne, her
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children following up pretty quickly behind him.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Not drugs.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And one thing that people forget is that drugs And
while I'm softer on this issue, the most things but
drugs are pedaled to children. Drugs create addiction, and drugs
when they're not prepared properly. And let's face it, do
you really think the Marines gave a shit about quality control?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
The Marines, Yes, the Williams.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
No Williams, certainly not when it comes to the quality
control of the product, and whether it's dangerous or not
is really not a factor for these people. So the
Marine family and Judy made their money, their lifestyle, their comfort.
They got to go on the holidays, they got to
have the house, they got to have the cars, they
got to have the life. And that was all built
on the suffering of others. That was built on the
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deaths of others, the maiming of others, the addiction of others,
the exploitation of people. All of those things happened to
benefit Judy and her lifestyle. And at the end of
the day, I think I can call her a silly
fucking bitch for being a part of that, just like
I would call her husband a silly fucking bastard and
her children drop hick fucking losers. Right, I think I
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can say that. So if you don't agree, that's okay too.
Look at me being more generous reasonable an.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
He had insults to everybody on an equal level.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I might like. I've briefly mentioned the book series in
one of my counseling lectures just because we were talking
about I think it was Psychopaths that day. And so
if any of my classmates are listening to this and
can pick up the very big difference between me being
a student in a lecture and me doing this podcast.
I'm sorry if it's shocked you. But there's there's Matt
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the entertainer, Matt the professional, Matt the student, Matt the friend,
Matt the husband, Matt the family member, Matt the brother,
Matt the you know what I'm saying, all different aspects
of myself, Matt the party animal, not anymore too old
for that shit. I gave up on that when I
turned thirty.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I think the location of Des Moran's murder was close
to the heartland of the Marine Empire, and Des was
stepping out of a cafe heading towards his car, unaware
he was walking into an ambush. The hit, meant to
be quick and clean, turned out to be sloppy and chaotic,
a far cry from the surgical strikes of the earlier
Gangland War.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, they always seem to use shotguns, which is one
of the biggest, loudest guns you can have at a
very very close range. They are absolutely lethal, but they're
also big and bulky to carry around.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
That's why they saw them off.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Of course. Yeah, and one hundred percent agree with you,
But the problem is, like you got to get it
under your coat, then you've got to get it out.
Then you've got to put it to the person. Then
you got to shoot him, and it's going to be loud,
and then there's a chance that if they duck, they're
only going to cop some of the pellets, etc. Etc.
It's a really bulky, scattery weapon to use to assassinate people.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Which also means that it's something that beginners can use
rather than a handgun in which they have to actually aim.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Oh yeah, it's like walking into it would be like
taking a canon with a cannon ball and aiming it
at someone like a meter away. You know you're gonna hit,
You're gonna do devastation, And like you said, for a novice,
it's a great weapon.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Jeffrey Nuts Armor was the trigger man.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
His name was not Nuts. Oh was it Nuts because
he was crazy? Or was it nuts because he had
two large testicles.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Two teas, so I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Or maybe he only had one testicle and that was
it was a pun. Hey Nuts, your no only got one?
Something like that. Maybe anyway, continue on. Sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Armor wasn't just any criminal. It was a violent repeat offender,
well known to police and deeply entrenched in Melbourne's underworld.
He approached das on the street and open fire, killing
him in front of horrified bystanders, some of whom were
patrons at nearby cafes and shops.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I can just see two people turning to each other. Yeap,
just another day in Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Didn't realize we'd traveled this fun. The murder caused immediate
public panic, triggering a rapid police response. Unlike the professional
hits of the past, this was clumsy, amateur, and left
a trail of evidence that police followed with ease.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Mark Rochford's SSA prosecuting told the court that the murder
sprang from a row over money between Judy Morine and
her brother in law. This was a planned and calculated
murder motivated by Judy Moran in an ongoing financial dispute
with Desmran, he said. The Melwyn Herald's son reported that Farigi,
who gave evidence against Judy Moran, told the court he
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had believed he was on a debt collecting mission for
Reigi identified Judy Moran as the driver and said she
told him and Amour to get rid of the evidence
after the shooting. Amore has pleaded guilty to murder, while
Ferrugi has pleaded guilty to manslaughter. Quote from Australian gangster
Judy Moriane convicted of killing brother in law Sam Jones,
Thursday tenth of March twenty eleven The Guardian.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Judy Moran's downfall came swiftly. Just hours after the killing,
she was caught on CCTV her witness statements, attempting to
dispose of the getaway car.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
She was also singing I'm in the MARNEI men the Marne,
which was very, very suspicious at the time.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
The vehicle tied her directly to the planning and execution
of the hit. In the subsequent search of her home,
police found the murder weapon and incriminating documents, including maps,
notes and communications with armor. The evidence was damning. There
was no escape, no denial strong enough to erase the
trail she had left. Judy had not only orchestrated the
murder of her brother in law, Lewis's only flesh and
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blood remaining, but had done so without the ruthlessness or
caution that wants to find her family's operations. She was
the drop kick in this scenario.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
G yes absolutely absolutely. Following the verdict, police released video
footage of officers searching her home and at detectives emptied
a concealed safe and discovered handguns, a wig, a scheme, mask,
and a magazine of hollow point bullets. Judy marine her
denying knowledge of the contents of the safe. Quote from
Australian gangster Judy Moran, convicted of killing brother in law
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Sam Jones, Thursday tenth of March twenty eleven with The Guardian.
Can I can I explain this a little bit? I
feel like we need to explain what has happened. So
Les represented the last of a educated criminal empire.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Not educated, but very self made.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Well educated in their own system. Yep, does that make sense?
So Le's knew who to hit, when to hit them,
when it was appropriate, when to fight and when not
to fight. So in regards to all of this money,
right Dez knows where it's all located. Des isn't playing ball. Judy,
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even without that money, could have lived a very happy life.
This is where the insign the sense of entitlement really
shines through here, because Judy has always been treated by
like a princess. This is our work, this is my family,
this is what I deserve. Pretty much her entire life,
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Judy was a stay at home. That is not to
disparage any stay at home mums at all. I would
like to be a stay at home dad, not because
I think it's less work, but because I would rather
deal with a little baby boss that I helped make
that as a family member, rather than a shitthead corporation, rather.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Than the big adult baby boss that you have to
deal with.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Now, yes, exactly right. So in those regards, Judy was
not a member of the operations. Day to day. Judy
didn't understand the rules. So when it came time for
Judy to quote unquote enter the criminal world, she was
unprepared and uneducated on how to do it properly. She
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hires two idiots, she has sche masks for them. I'm
surprised that there was like a rendezvous set up with
a secret car or a you know, maybe she watched
the run that, yeah, the Dark Knight would have came out.
Maybe she watched that about three or four times and
tried to copy some stuff from the Dark Knight movie.
Or perhaps she watched The Goodfellas or The Godfather on repeat.
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But she never lived in this world. She just benefited
from it. And so if you're sitting there thinking, dear listener,
how the hell could someone be so fucking stupid? Well,
it's because she assumed that it was a lot easier
to do these sort of things than it is.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Everyone's stupid at doing stuff like this when it's their
first go round, and though she's been in the world
for twenty thirty ish years, this is her first go around.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
If you're a stay at home partner and your partner
is it professional and they constantly talk about coding all
day every day, and you have a basic understanding of
their work, if they suddenly fell sick for a couple
of weeks, do you really expect you would be able
to code for them and cover for them in their job.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Not even baguely, of course.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Not, because you haven't lived the world. You don't have
the education or the experience. Les was a professional criminal,
raised in the old school of professional criminals. He would
never have done this because it didn't serve any purpose. Right,
your source of information is gone now. Kidnapping him, torturing
him and slowly cutting off his bits and pieces, that's
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a move that you can do. And then on top
of that, he wouldn't have been able to say that
it was Judy who did it, because then he would
have looked weak himself and.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
He would have broken the Ganglane code of silence.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
That's right, that's how you get your money. But then
you also and then once you've got your money, then
you kill him. Oh, he doesn't come after you for revenge.
But that's not what Judy did. This is an amateur
playing at a professional game, and that's why she got
caught so bloody quickly, as did her people, who by
all accounts were not the best people. So she just
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hired whoever was in her circle. They too, idiots, put
their hands up and they both got They all three
of them got charged, and Judy lost all her money
and Dez didn't get to spend a single cent of his.
One could also argue if Dez had just come to
the table, he could have saved his own life. At
a certain point, a wealth is not worth your life.
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I don't really think any financial compensation is probably worth
your life, and that sort of comes down to person person.
I'm sure police, military, even ambulance officers might disagree with me,
and they're right to do so. Hm. But yeah, maybe
if Dez had come to the table, he wouldn't end
up on the table full of shotgunsholls as shotgun pellets.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I should say the police widened their net and two
others were arrested. Suzanne Kan, the partner of Jason Moran
and mother of his children, was charged as an accessory,
having played a role in the logistics and aftermath of
the murder.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
You could really write a comedy movie based on all this.
Can I just this bit alone? What would you get
a fuckps? Well it is. It's a comedy of errors.
So to stay at home, mum. Gangsters thought they'd be
able to off Desmran and then get all of the money.
It's I'm shocked that they weren't wearing pink balaklava's and
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have matching Gucci handbags. Also, again, I don't mention Gucci
handbags in respect to them being women. I mentioned them
in respect to that's what rich assholes buy rich suburbanites.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
There you go, that's all you need. Suzanne was later
given a two year suspended sentence, a lenient outcome reflecting
her limited involvement.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Judy, you told me that she's known Suzanne virtually all
her life. She looked upon her as a daughter, and
she'd known Jeff for some time. Mister Cook told the
court Sean Jeff was Suzanne's partner. Judy considered him part
of the family. In evidence, Judy said she thought Ahma
was quite a nice man. Wrote from a Life of
Lies that led to murder Paula Anderson The Advertiser, March ten,
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twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Michael for a year a closest Judy was convicted for
assisting with the disposal of the murder weapon and the vehicle,
sealing his own fate.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
On the morning of June fifteen, a maid of Vamar
Michael Ferugia, parked at the seven to eleven at the
end of Judy's street. He said he brought her a
copy of The Herald's Son before Arma drove him and
her to a Kingston cafe for breakfast. According to Ferugia,
Judy mentioned it was the anniversary of Mark's murder. During
the breakfast, Judy and I'd ever going there, saying Arma
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would dropped her off at a shop where she brought
flowers and she walked home. I was at the flower
shop lots of Simpson's quotes today, ate her mango in
toast and then headed off to Mark's grave.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I hope it wasn't mango on toast because that just
sounds vile.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, Surveillance police around her house watching Arma's movements, never
saw Judy and Arma's car or walking back to her
home as she suggested she did quote from a life
of lines that led to murder.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I don't think she suggested it. I think she outright
said it.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
The entire operation, born from personal vendetta and family infighting,
collapsed almost immediately, exposing Judy not as the queen pin
she imagines herself to be, but as a desperate relic
of a fallen empire trying to salvage power through reckless violence.
Judy Moran's conviction in twenty eleven marked the final collapse
of the Moran dynasty, and with it any illusion of
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invincibility that had clung to her name. Once the public
face of Melbourne's most feared crime family, often photographed flanked
by lawyers or sheltering behind oversized sunglasses, Judy was now
just another inmate in Victoria's prison system, Stripped of power, wealth,
and notoriety that had defined her for decades, Her defiance
in court turned into silence behind bars as the reality
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of her sentence set in twenty six years with no
chance of release before twenty thirty two, when she would
be nearly ninety years old.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
And just like with everyone who has sent us emails
concerning some of our most famous inmates, if any of
you have served time or know anyone who served time
with Judy Moran, who would absolutely love to hear what
she is like in prison. I think she's a troublemaker.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I think she gets her ass beat a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, I think she causes problems and then probably, like
you said, gets her ass kicked. Yeah. I'd love to
hear from any of you who have any contact there whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Life in dan Phyllis Frost's Center, Victoria's maximum security prison
for women, offered none of the comforts study had once enjoyed.
Gone with the pubs, clubs and poker machines that launded
her fortune, Gone with the associates and enforces the network
of fear she relied on for protection inside. Status meant nothing,
and the criminal celebrity offered no immunity. Among other inmates,
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Judy Moran was infamous, not respected. She was often isolated,
reportedly kept under special observation due to threats and her
high profile background. For a woman who had once orchestrated
murder from her kitchen. Prison was a final humiliation, powerless,
watched and ultimately gotten.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I mean, it just speaks to the greed though, like
she didn't have to end up like that. As far
as the law was concerned, she wasn't a problem anymore.
They could have she she could have taken her money,
she could have liquidated the assets that she had. She
no longer had dependence, she didn't have a husband, and
then she could have simply just picked up and went
back to Melbourne, sorry, picked up and moved to Sydney
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or Perth, or sat a villa in Bali, or she
could have gone to New Zealand, she could have left.
I don't understand. Outside of greed and stupidity, there really
is no other explanation for what she did.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Trying to prove that she is just as powerful and
as she wasn't just relying on the men in her life.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
But she wasn't in an iota of self awareness would
have helped her to come to that realization on her
own right at a moment of self reflection.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Perhaps the moment of self reflection would have gotten her
out of the Gangland game up for her first husband
was killed.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You know, It's like I think about all the stuff
that we've done over the years and where the strengths
and weaknesses lie in both of us. So, for example,
when we go on an international trip, Holly has a
brain for putting together plans, organizing times, dates, all of
those sort of things. I'm the guy who comes up
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with the ideas. I'm the ideas man. I need someone
like Holly to help me keep focused and actually help
me achieve the idea. It's one of my weaknesses, it's
one of my biggest weaknesses, and Holly fills that gap.
But at the same time my confidence and my ideas.
I think you need that to get a process started, right.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, And that's how we fit together. So if well,
I think either of us could manage without the other.
Not that we would want to, but I would never
be able to put together in an itinerary as well
as Holly does.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Holly obsesses over it for you at the time.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
She ends up with binders, yeah, you know, whereas I
just check it all on the phone and hope for
the best and wait for reminders from my calendar to
tell me where to go and what to do. But Holly,
you know, she is the planner. And I think when
it comes to someone like Judy, I think she gave herself.
I think she was probably the role in their relationship
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of counselor. You know, he'd come home, he talk about
the problems. Perhaps she would offer a suggestion or two,
and perhaps sometimes her suggestions would pay off, you know,
as an advisor, as a confidant, as a comforter. I
think Judy was all of those things to Les Moran.
That does not make you a professional criminal. It makes
you a sounding board. And I think that she may
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have misunderstood her role and misunderstood her abilities to a
point of other stupidity.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I mean, she misunderstood her role to the point where
she found out that she wasn't actually getting any of
the money that was going to the brother.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, exactly right. She had no idea how their finance
as were tied together. And let's be honest, do you
really think Les had a brain for making sure that
their foundation was safe? And I mean at the end
of the day, too, how much like cash do you
think was hidden just in their home?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Oh, probably a fair amount.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
You know, their property was valued around that time at
what two point five million, and.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
It was a million then it was two bo and
five roughly last year.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Right, So she could have just walked away, potentially as
a multimillionaire and had a good life. Yep, you know,
maybe found someone else, moved to a little country town,
joined the local council.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
The country Women's Association, had.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
A little country farm, husband or wife, whatever she wanted to.
Maybe she wanted to explore her sexuality in the later
years and just disappeared into obscurity. She could have done
all of that. It's only stupidity that motivated her not to.
She could have had a clean break. Yeah, sold sold
one of the cars, and like I said, I'm sure
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there were tims of cash everywhere in her home.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I'm sure it's probably people still finding him today. Yeah, absolutely,
even behind bars. Judy tried to maintain her narrative in
her early years of incarceration. She continued to deny any wrongdoing,
describing herself as a victim of lies, betrayal, and media frenzy.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Media frenzy. L giver, That's all I'm going to give her.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
She wrote letters, reportedly began drafting more of her memoirs
and remained resolutely unrepentant, insisting that her family's downfall was
not of her making.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I don't think it was of her making specifically. I
think she married into crime. I don't think anything she
said or did was going to stop lez or Jason
or Mark doing what they did. I don't think she
was inclined to stop them anyway. But I don't think
it was her fault. Specifically. It was her fault that
she was in jail. It was her fault that she
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tried to kill Daz. She did kill Jess, Yeah, that
she did kill je Daz. All of that is her responsibility.
The rest of it, however, you know, I would agree
like I don't think you could look at Judy Moran
and go, man, that's the brains of this operation, because
clearly it was. She wasn't. That's quite clear, just based
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on her end. So you know, if she felt that
she was being blamed, I don't think she should have
been blamed necessarily outside of the regard that she was
profiting herself. But was anyone really blaming now?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I feel like that's more of the egotism than anything.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It's a bit self inflicted for trying to find some
sympathy maybe yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Time moves on and public fascination faded. The name miran
one's dominating headlines, became a relic and judy, once at
the center of a war that consumed Melbourne, became just
another prisoner serving out the inevitable end of a life
spent in the underworld. At least she got one.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah, yeah, she got to live. Out of all of them,
she survived us pose.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
The grandchildren of Lewis Moran have since changed their last name,
hoping to vanish into the relative obscurity that their parents'
lives can provide and to avoid being labeled as bad
eggs without cause.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Jason Moran's twin son and daughter were in the backseat
of his Mitsubishi van when a gunman shot him dead
after a junior footy clinic in June two thousand and three.
Following their father's death, Christian and Memphis, now aged twenty two,
change their surnames in a brid to protect themselves. A
family friend claims and mother, Trish, who was married to
Jason at the time he was murdered, joined the kids
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by dropping the marine name. Trish wanted to protect the kids.
It's a pretty famous surname around Australia then and now.
A family friend said, quote from Jason and Mark Moran's
family's ditch famous surname the Daily Mail, Josh Henrahan, first
of March twenty nineteen. I know a little something of
what this is like of my family. Some of my
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family members have carried the name Minogue, which, for the
most part art was a name that was thankfully popularized
by Kylie Minogue, but also had some negative connotations of
course when associated with the Minoga brothers, Russell Street bombing
and Minogue could be one of those names that was
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either seen positively or very very negatively. So I understand
that I'm also the only Matthew Soul in the entirety
of Australia. I believe that as far as the Soul
family goes, there are not too many of us, but
the last name sold in Australia. So if one if
either myself or any of my family the science to
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commit a crime, they'll probably end up with more infamy
than a name like Miran, because I mean, Miran is
a common enough name. But I completely understand the kids
wanting to make distance.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Especially when their dad was killed when they were eight
in front of them.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, like what did that world provide for them other
than trauma and misery?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Misery and trauma.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, there's nothing there for them, So I completely understand that.
I wonder if they still visit Grandma and jail.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
I don't think so. I think Rish keeps them well
away from her.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
They would all be smart too.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, and Aunt Suzanne is also still in jail, I.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Believe, so she'd be getting out soon though, what fifteen
years on manslaughter?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
She was an accessory, so I don't think she actually
had that longest thing. She's probably is out.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Actually, yeah, it should be out, it would be I
think you were. I think you're more thinking about the
assassins that one of them would be twenty twenty five,
So the year fifteen year man's slaughter of charge. If
he isn't out on parole, he will be soon. I'm
more definitely won't be seeing the outside of her cell
for at least another ten years, maybe more. And then, yeah,
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Judy will probably the oldest she gets the she's got
eleven years left on a sentence, is she? So she's
eighty nine?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Seventy nine ish seventy nine?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Now I'm actually surprised she hasn't been.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Paroled, probably because of her last name.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Potentially potentially that's probably holding her back, but because lack
of remorse is a big one for parole boards. But
I am shocked that they haven't fallen for the like
I'm just a grandmother. I'd like to spend time with
my kids before I die. That being said, I think
Melbourne was quite happy to see the back of the
Marines and see them in prison for the rest of
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their lives. I think I would probably factors in two.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I think it would have helped her cause a lot
more if she wasn't a member of the Moran family.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, because you could imagine the headlines tomorrow, couldn't you.
Moran family released from Moran matriarch released from prison early,
blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Blah, outrage in the streets.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
It's a way to lose an election.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
The Moran family, once ruling the streets of Melbourne with
iron fists, was undone, not just by rivals, but by
their own hubris, greed and escalating internal conflict. Did his
portrayal of dez Lewis's mismanagement of Carl Williams, the violent
recklessness of Mark and j We're not just errors in strategy.
There were death warrants delivered by their own hands. Their
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empire built on blood, drugs and intimidation crumbled from within,
collapsing under the weight of their own decisions. The Carl
Williams didn't have long to enjoy being the lead man
of the Melbourne Underworld, and we'll finish his story next week.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Ladies and gentlemen, we have one more episode.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
And it doesn't matter how much we have to cram it.
It will all be in one episode because I am
not doing any more of these.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
We never want to hear the words gangland ever again.
We have covered it.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Lawyer X will be the only accession and that is
a long way down the road.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, Lawyer Rex is going to be one of those
ones where we do like could probably end up being
a bit of a two partner, but that's going to
be another auxiliary story way down the track because it
is time to have a break from this. We knew
it was going to be big and we're barely scratching
the surface at eight episodes, so sorry, seven episodes. So
(38:00):
we're going to wrap it with Carl Williams. We're going
to leave it at that. We have covered the Melbourne
gangs from the Mathria through to the Marines through to
Williams with little fun side adventures with people like Mark
Chopper Read.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
And Squeazy Taylor back in the twenties.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
It is done and covered, all right, So before we
let you go, don't forget if you'd like to reach
out to us. As I said, if any of you
have ever met or know of someone who has met
Judy Well in the prison system, we'd love to hear
from you. Send us an email. We'd crapanaustraliat Gmail dot com,
or you can find us on the social media. Just
type in a weird crap in Australia into the search bar.
(38:40):
As I've said previously, we do not use X. We
don't support Nazi dickheads and yeah, so we're not on X.
And I know at least one of our listeners has
sent us an email with some of the messages that
we missed on X. Thank you for your email. We
have read through it and that is probably the way
it's going to sit for the rest of the future.
(39:01):
If we're not on a social media site that you
use that you'd like us to be on. Just send
us through that email and we will set up an
account for you. We do have accounts on like blue
Sky and TikTok and all that sort of stuff. We
are just not as engaged in social media as a
lot of other podcasters are, and it is simply based
on time. It's like we can either make you good
episodes or we can be fully engaged in social media.
(39:23):
And I think you'd much prefer it if we just
make episodes, So that's what we what we do. You
can also help support the show. One of the ways
is through Patreon. We do a minisode every week as
a bonus where we look at some of the stranger
headlines from that week. So if you would like more
of a our current insights into Australia's culture, that's where
(39:45):
you need to head. Just head to Patreon. Type in
week crap and Astralia into that search bar. You can
also grab our book series We Crap in The Show
in Australia. Volume one to five are available now from
our great mates at Impactcomics dot com dot Au. If
you're an international listener and you'd like a paperback, we
have an on demand service which is a Lulu dot
com Volume six will be coming out in September. Don't
(40:07):
make sure you keep an eye out for that. You
can also grab a week Crap In Australia T shirt.
We haven't done one this year. Maybe it's time to
dust off our contacts with some artists and do another
T shirt design. I think that would be a lot
of fun. Perhaps we can do a gang Land inspired
one for this year. If you'd like to pick up
(40:27):
a T shirt or any of our other merchandise, you
can grab that from our Red Bubble and Tea public stores.
Just typing, we Crap In Australia into the search bar,
and as been the tradition of this series, Holly Nodoub
has a story from Reddit about another real life encounter
with a Melbourne gangster. Take it away, Holly, this.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
One's from Midnight Poet. I was managing a restaurant in
Gratton Street and Carlton, end of the night, kitchen closed
and only a couple of tables remaining. Our fonds Gangatino
walks in and politely requests a coffee. Already clean the machine,
but I seed him and make it anyway. What's two
hundred dollars in my hand? And says thank you. The
cafe around the corner said no, you're all right with me.
(41:06):
Felt like I had mob protection that night. Wow, for
a cup of coffee. Must have been a good cup
of coffee. I'd love a two hundred dollar tip for
making a cup of coffee. Fuck you, absolutely, thank you
very much for joining us, ladies and gentlemen. The conclusion
to the Gangland Wars it will be next week. Hope
you've enjoyed the series so far. We have one last
tale to tell before we are ride off into that
(41:27):
proverbial sunset. I've been your host, Matthew Soul joining me,
of course, was Holly Soul me. Please stay safe, be
kind to each other, and we will see you all
next week for more Weird Crap in Australia. Until then,
bye for now.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
By The Weird Crap in Australia podcast is produced by
Holly and Matthew Soul for the Modern Meltdown. If you've
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enjoyed this podcast, please rate and review on your favorite
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