December 6, 2024 • 44 mins
Who killed Patricia?
Welcome back to the campfire, friends! We’re back with the first episode to kick off a new season. In this episode, Jess and Brice discuss an unsolved murder from 50 years ago in Lincoln, Nebraska. The body of 24-year-old Patricia Webb was found in a remote area 30 minutes away from Lincoln after being seen leaving her job at 1:00 am on April 18, 1974. Despite strong evidence, leads have turned up no results to solve this crime.
Join us as we discuss the twists and turns of this case, as well as the possible connection to another murder just a year later.
Online sources https://journalstar.com/special-section/epilogue/epilogue-38-years-later-patricia-webb-death-still-a-mystery/article_bc73b436-d9a6-52f5-9454-a4717d1096e2.html
https://unsolvedobsession.home.blog/2019/08/22/patricia-carol-webb/
The new investigator on the case
https://youtu.be/JQUCDbFXFNw?si=jc6X_Gx-6AlZgoqG
Photo of crime scenehttps://journalstar.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/d4/9d44bd6a-ea5a-11e1-87d3-001a4bcf887a/50317f494ab1f.preview-620.jpg
Solved murder with possible connection?https://unsolvedobsession.home.blog/2019/08/28/marianne-mitzner/
Welcome back to the campfire, friends! We’re back with the first episode to kick off a new season. In this episode, Jess and Brice discuss an unsolved murder from 50 years ago in Lincoln, Nebraska. The body of 24-year-old Patricia Webb was found in a remote area 30 minutes away from Lincoln after being seen leaving her job at 1:00 am on April 18, 1974. Despite strong evidence, leads have turned up no results to solve this crime.
Join us as we discuss the twists and turns of this case, as well as the possible connection to another murder just a year later.
Online sources https://journalstar.com/special-section/epilogue/epilogue-38-years-later-patricia-webb-death-still-a-mystery/article_bc73b436-d9a6-52f5-9454-a4717d1096e2.html
https://unsolvedobsession.home.blog/2019/08/22/patricia-carol-webb/
The new investigator on the case
https://youtu.be/JQUCDbFXFNw?si=jc6X_Gx-6AlZgoqG
Photo of crime scenehttps://journalstar.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/d4/9d44bd6a-ea5a-11e1-87d3-001a4bcf887a/50317f494ab1f.preview-620.jpg
Solved murder with possible connection?https://unsolvedobsession.home.blog/2019/08/28/marianne-mitzner/
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hello, and welcome to What Happens in the Woods podcast.
It has been quite some time since our last episode.
Oh we're here. We're getting back into the swing of things.
Rest assured. Rice is here. Hello, and we are excited
(01:03):
that we are back with you. We've got new cases
to discuss.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yay, yay.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
So hopefully everybody caught the Halloween collab with our friends
at Crimes and Closets that thing Christy. If you have not,
you need to go back and listen, because, as always,
we knocked it out of the park. Of course, now
we're right in the middle of the holiday season and
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we hope that you know, no.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Get all your Christmas shopping done?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, I mean it feels like it every year. It
feels like the pressure is just on and on and
on from like the beginning of November. Honestly, like November first,
I feel like the pressure is on to have Christmas
just handled. Yeah. No, no, okay, Well, I don't know,
(01:55):
that's just me. I guess you let me know, you guys,
let me know if you feel it too. Rice, obviously
it's not bothered, not affected. Well, no matter what, you
guys celebrate. We hope that everybody is getting in some
quality time with their family, their loved ones, you know,
get get it going in your community. Just share the love.
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And I'm sure Bryce will join me in this. But
we want to thank everybody who's you know, continued to
support us, even reached out to us and and just
checked in made sure that we were okay. This past year.
It's it's really it seems like no time has gone past,
but we have not put out any episodes for like
(02:39):
a year. Well on this on this side of it,
like wtf's we're still going at the beginning of the year,
and we're we're reevaluating some things like how we can
handle what we have time for and what the podcast becomes,
and like how will we continue this? So I get
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it's it's definitely something that we've had to pause and
take a look. But just having the support of people
who've reached out and were like, hey, hope you guys
are good we miss you, like, you know, just checking
in with us throughout this time that we took off,
and it just never ceases to surprise me, Like I'm
(03:22):
constantly surprised that anybody is thinking about us beyond this podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So it's it's amazing and we cannot thank you enough
for that, Like we appreciate all of that.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, we do, most definitely do.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, do you have any announcements?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I do? Oh, okay, it's almost Christmas.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah no.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I actually on that note of like love and support,
I wanted to show you something that I don't know.
I thought it was kind of cool. Okay, someone actually
sent us something. Okay, I don't know how you'll take it.
If you'll be insulted, but oh God only knows you
(04:13):
know it will?
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Oh no, where to go? Yeah, well technical difficulties.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Which you guys can't even see.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Oh yeah, I don't even know where. Oh okay, what'd
you do?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I thought it was still up. I'd put it behind
our logo. Sorry. We have a new studio space and
I'm still getting used to it. But we have video equipment.
I'm not promising anything. We have like our TV a
monitor on the wall.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
What is it? What is this? I specifically was like,
there's no video today, right, No, there's.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
No we don't have any camera set up.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I know what you do. Sometimes I thought I had
it already. Somebody sent this like an email or something.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Somebody made us like a different logo. Who sent this?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I erased the email Jesus rie, uh yeah, but it
was someone I didn't recognize the name.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
I apologize, and then I erased the email. I was like,
I don't know if I should show justice.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, like, well, just the fact that somebody took the
time to do that, Yeah, very awesome. You can't find
the email.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
No, I think I erased it on accident.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Like you erased it erase.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah, I think I downloaded it and was just like yeah,
clear because you know, I hadn't checked the podcast email
in a while.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, okay, Well, if you made us a logo that's
like red and white and black, like let us know,
send us, get a hold of us again. We apologize.
We're not like not keeping that better, but very cool.
Why would I be offended? I'm not offended.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I know you put your heart and soul into the logo.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I've also like changed the logo again. So but I mean,
that's really cool that somebody like thought of us, took
the time and did it.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah, I don't know how I feel it is the
w's and then the hit on.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
The Oh yeah yeah, is it.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Basically our logo A W H I T W and
they put a different kind of background to it.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
The mountain's not there.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
No, the mountain doesn't necessarily have to be there. But
I no, I think it's really cool that somebody even
took the time. Like I don't know, I was listening
to the podcast and was like, oh, hey, let me
let me do this there again. Just surprises me that
(07:04):
we're on people's minds in any way. Yeah, you know,
somebody chose there, took their time to be creative.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
That's why I wanted to piggyback on that and not
really an announcement, but.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, no, that's really cool. I'm I'm glad you shared
it with me. That is awesome. I don't know, it's
just wow, it's very cool. Thank you for sending that,
and please like get back in touch with us. We're sorry.
Price is sorry that he's deleted your email. Sorry, all right, well,
(07:38):
I do you have anything else? Okay, I just wanted
you know, a little PSA. We are no longer just
doing cases of in the Pacific Northwest, so we are worldwide.
New episodes are going to be covering cases from across
the globe and they are going to stick to the
(07:59):
same schedule. So every first and third Friday the month
from now until April eighteenth, that will be this season,
and there will be a bonus release on January thirty first. Man, Yeah,
we're packed, all right? Are you ready? Get out?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
We're gonna We're gonna do this. We're gonna do this shit,
all right. So our case today is an unsolved murder
going back to nineteen seventy four, so fifty years ago.
I wasn't even born, No, we were not even thoughts.
(08:40):
This is a case that is out of Lincoln, Nebraska.
It's in Lancaster County and according to one of the
sources that I found on this from twenty thirteen, this
is the longest unsolved murder in Lincoln and it's still
considered an ongoing investigation. And in a whist, there is
(09:01):
speculation of a link to another murder that also happened
in Lincoln about that time, about a year later, is tied.
It is very possible that it could be. There's really
no evidence that links it, but I will we will
speak on this, okay. The victim in this case is
(09:21):
twenty four year old Patricia or Patty Webb. She was
found on April twentieth, nineteen seventy four, after having been
missing for over twenty four hours. Her body was found
on a cattle ranch that was not being lived on
at the time, was being cared for by the owner,
and he had showed up that morning in the early
(09:42):
morning to feed his cattle that was still on the property,
so nobody was actually living there at the time. While
feeding the cattle, he saw a flash of some blue
fabric that was very out of place, and after taking
a deeper look, he discovered the body of Patricia that
was under a tall haystack. She was completely nude and
(10:04):
she had been shot multiple times. They news articles, of course,
you know, every I think, every kind of like era
has their own type of news reporting, and this was
still very much like sensationalism, you know it if it
didn't it didn't sell papers, It wasn't news basically, but they.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Driven by the almighty dollar.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, all of the news reports from the local news
outlets were saying like bullet ridden or bullet riddled body.
The only thing on her body was a piece of
tape across her mouth. And this blue fabric that was
(10:48):
found nearby was from a like a puffy cotton jacket.
There was a mint size extra large. It was clearly
not her jacket. So Pattie, as she was known, was
described as beautiful, popular, considerate, loving, responsible, trustworthy. Her her
(11:09):
parents and her family members kind of reiterated that many
times that she just was considered a trustworthy person.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
She was born July second, nineteen forty nine in Burnwell,
West Virginia. She was being raised by a single mother
and her father was not in the picture. And then
when she was just four years old, her mother passed away,
which led to her being adopted by so her father's brother,
so an uncle and his wife, Robert and Joan Webb.
(11:42):
And from all accounts, she had a very happy, just
very normal childhood. She was beloved only child for Robert
and Joan.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Could she not have kids? Is that what it was?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know? It wasn't mentioned they didn't have any children,
like they didn't have any other children, but they were
happy to have her. Accounts from her parents and friends
relay that she was a lover of like crafting, needle
point ceramics and funnily funny, funny enough, funnily that's not
(12:20):
a word, funny enough. Something that I shared with this
with Patricia. When I was a kid, is I loved
roller skating.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I would spend my days out roller skating any day
that I could. She was a roller skating enthusiast. They
were constantly going to the roller rink and spending hours
of time there and she went on to win the
Miss Nebraska title at the North Central Regional Amateur roller
Skating champions Championships in Kansas City, Missouri. So this was
(12:53):
in nineteen sixty seven. She was a junior in high school.
Not to be trifled with, not at all. Roller Skating
is it's a workout. It's an activity for sure, but
you know, I know it's not. It's made a comeback recently,
especially during COVID. I saw a lot of people like
go back to actual four quad like roller skating, Like
(13:17):
it was very retro type of thing to get into.
But you know, of course there's the roller blades and
God only knows what else now I don't even know,
but I'm not hip to that anymore. I'm old. But
this was good old quads and she was very proud
of that. She was very like that was a big
(13:37):
accomplishment for her. Right after graduating high school from Southeast
High School in Lincoln, she was married. This man is
not named by any of the research that I could find.
It was a very short lived marriage. They were married
in nineteen sixty eight and by nineteen seventy she was
divorced and had resumed the use of her maiden name.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, there were a few years that we have no
information about her life other than she attempted to go
to the University of Nebraska to further her education a
couple of times, but she was not successful in graduating.
There's no mention of, you know, a like, a significant
other other than this person that she married and divorce.
(14:24):
There's no you know, dating information, there's she didn't have
a child, She's it's just kind of she was there,
she was living, she was working, she was being a
young woman. But there is a surprising twist to this.
Somehow she had become a police informant. Yeah, so it
(14:49):
seems that Patty was instrumental in between sixty to seven
cases were informing on drug dealers in the area with
the Nebraska State Patrolled so during a year one year
of time, this led to the arrest of dozens of
suspects for the Narcotics Department just in the few months
(15:10):
that she had been in informant. At the time of
her death, she was not being used as an informant
as she quote owed a financial entity roughly three to
four thousand dollars. I don't know what that means. She
was told to straighten up her finances and come back
when she had you know, when she had done that,
(15:31):
and then she could resume being a police informant. I
don't know what one thing has to do with the
other or what this money weird rule.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I don't know, because if you're going to be an informant,
maybe she had to be a witness and she had
to be.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Like clean above report. Yeah. The thing is, many of
the things that I read about, like how to become
a police informant is very rarely that you're just a
good citizen who wants to get into this ship. Usually
it's because you yourself have been arrested or you know,
(16:07):
held on suspicion of something, and in order to for
there not to be any charges, there's an exchange of
information there. So you know, I don't obviously she cannot
speak for herself. I didn't find any information that said otherwise.
(16:27):
You know, actually one way or the other. Let me
say that whether she was had been held on suspicion,
had a rest record, or was just I'm going to
do this because there's such a problem in our community
now with marijuana that I want to do this. And
and let's be clear, it was it was mostly marijuana
(16:51):
because that was still a very I mean, we're in
the heart of the Midwest here in Nebraska. Marijuana was
not looked on favorably, and in the seventies, you know,
late sixties, early seventies, it's still in a lot of areas,
is not. And in a lot of these drug charges
(17:13):
were just marijuana or you know, some of them were
obviously more serious. Yeah, there is one other unusual twist
to this story. Patricia's employer at the time of her
disappearance and murder was a business that she was reportedly
(17:34):
escorted from by an unknown mail during the morning of
April eighteenth. That was the last time she was seen
was April eighteenth, at about one am, being escorted from
her place of business. Any guesses of what that might be. No, No,
you're not even gonna.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Try a bar? Yeah, oh, like a restaurant, I.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Think more CD more.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Oh come on, I'm looking at this picture of her,
and she seems very.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
No, she just seems like a wholesome, all American.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
And if you say strip club close, oh god, a
gentleman's club close. Oh well, that's how she had so
many ties. I don't know, escort service.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
No, was she a pimp?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
No, she wasn't a bamp. Oh my god, can you imagine.
I mean, there can be women pimps. I know that.
But car dealer, car dealer. He's car dealer, he's car dealer.
It was a front for for truck smuggling.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
So.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Patricia at the time was a clerk at one of
two adult book and pornography businesses in Lincoln at the time, And.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Try why she had all the inside knowledge.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It's it's possible, but she had not worked there long.
She was still considered a new employee, and as you
can imagine you know this, these stores, these type of
stores were very scrutinized. They were. It was quite the
stir when this store was able to open in nineteen
seventy two, as there was a like a theater that
(19:19):
showed newdies in Lincoln that was already you know, very unwanted. Yeah,
but in nineteen seventy nine, the owner was able to
you know, legally open this business. He was able to
get a business license, and it was all on the
(19:40):
up and up as far as what I can see.
But the public and the police were constantly you know,
it was just getting it from both sides. So the public,
the community didn't want it there, and the police were
constantly trying to find nefarious reason sends to shut it
(20:01):
down or to harass the owner. They were seizing shipments
and searching them, like doing search and seizure when there
was really no cause for it. They were raiding the business.
They were you know, it was it was just like,
we don't want you in our community and we're going
to make your life help basically. And it was you know,
(20:22):
a long held belief that any type of adult bookstore,
pornography store, movie theater, anything like that was directly related
to the mafia at that time. So the stigma, you know,
you can imagine a young woman who presumably would have
no connections to any of that, like how would she
(20:46):
have gotten that job, first of all, and what would
it have looked like on a daily basis for her
to go into that job? Is it's definitely an interesting
place that I would not presume to see her in.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
No, but no, I mean a lot of it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I mean it could. It could very well tie to
the connections with her being an informant. I think that's
a good possibility. Obviously, if this was the connection, the
police have not come out and said that directly. Yeah,
so that's definitely some of some interest there. So when
(21:31):
we come back from our break, we will discuss more
details of this case and the possible connection to another
case that was from nineteen seventy.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Five Dun Dun Dun.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
The Tricia Webb had gone missing from her job in
the early morning of April eighteenth, where witnesses reported that
she was seen leaving with a black man and getting
into a car that was possibly had another man in
it waiting. The car was described as quote Boxy, an
older Cadillac or Buick end quote, which could have been
(22:04):
any damn car at that time. Yeah, and there was
a composite sketch that was made from the description of
the blackmail. I'm not gonna lie. I don't necessarily get
blackmail from this. We'll post it on links, but I'm
gonna see if I can show Bryce right now and
(22:25):
he can see. I don't know. I'm not sure what
I get from this.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I think could be I don't know either.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I have a hard time with this composite sketch. It
just looks like somebody I don't know. I don't know.
I you guys tell us when you see it on
the Instagram and the Facebook. It almost looks like he's
wearing a football, like part of a deflated football for
(22:56):
a hat.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
That what that is?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
That's what it looks like to me. Tell me that
doesn't look like that.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I just thought it was a cool ass.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Or or he's Jewish and he's wearing like the traditional
what is that called a yam yamuka. I don't want
to be wrong. It doesn't look right.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I thought it was a flat top.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Is that what that is? Sure?
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It was?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
He also looks like he could be a member of
Kiss with heavy eyeliner on. Yeah, yeah, I kudos to
whoever tried. I guess. Let's let's just say that when
other employees arrived for their shifts hours later on April nineteenth,
it was found that thirty dollars have been taken from
(23:38):
the till fifty one magazines of adult material had been stolen,
as well as a calculator. What do those three things
have in common?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
But he's got to learn, he's got to count all
the money he.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Stole, right, the whole thirty dollars, which I mean in
today's money is probably what close to one hundred Sure, yeah,
fifty one magazines, not fifty not fifty two. Fifty one
can't be even of the same type of magazine though,
So it was like a whole box of the same magazine.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
And any're in a hurry, it's like grab and go.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
You're not going to grab fifty magazines in a hurry.
Though he did think of how heavy those would be,
I didn't care. I guess, is this going to sell
them on eBay? Well, here's the thing. The store was
unmanned for hours, so who's to say that somebody didn't
come in other people come in at random times and
(24:34):
just take stuff, Like somebody came in and took these
magazines and was like, oh, I'm going to sell them,
or I don't know. You can't say that the person
who she was seen leaving with is the person who
took this stuff. There's no proof. They also found a
cord had been cut from the payphone located inside the store,
(24:55):
but there was no sign of Patricia anywhere when Oscar find,
the owner of the property that was where Patricia's body
was found, reported his findings. On the morning of April twentieth.
Investigators and state police responded to this scene, and as
I previously mentioned, Patricia had been shot several times. She
(25:15):
was found nude aside from the black jacket and the
tape that was covering her mouth. The autopsy finding showed
that Patricia had been shot with two different guns a
total of ten times. Damn, so six times in her
head and four in the body.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Jesus right, that sounds like I don't know, someone was
mad at her.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, there's there's some theories there.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That's not just like random, that's like, yeah, intentional in
the headman six times, six times, Jesus.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Investigators believed that the twenty twos were fired from a rifle,
most likely a Mossburg, and there were also twenty fives
taken from that were from a semi automatic handgun like
maybe a Bretta. What is interesting, in possibly the most telling,
(26:07):
you know, piece of evidence or lack of evidence, I
should say, was there was no finding of any sexual
assault on her body.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
She was naked, she was completely naked. Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It was discovered that the jacket was a promotional item,
so it was the item of apparel form a local
feed store. The feed store had ordered over a thousand
of these jackets back in nineteen sixty eight from a
local company in Kansas. Only around one hundred and forty
of those had been in the size extra large. You
(26:42):
would think that this would narrow things down quite a
bit and be, you know, a key piece of evidence
that would point to the direction of somebody. Nah, it
did not. So this jacket was something that was usually
given to employees of the feed store or maybe like
(27:02):
routine customers. Like I said, it was a promotional item.
There was no record keeping of who it went out to.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
So they could have just been like here you go.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, anybody at any time.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Oh, so there was no records.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Nope, A there were a few that were reported to
have been sold to customers. Again, no records. The jacket
is described as dark blue, light to medium in weight.
It was waste length, It was cotton, and it had
a bright yellow quilted lining. The zipper was a It
(27:36):
had a metal ring on the zipper pole tab. Otherwise
it just was you're running the mill jacket from where
the body was found. It was found in a farm
near Hallam, Nebraska. So from there to the adult bookstore
in Lincoln where she worked out is roughly a thirty
(27:59):
minute drive. So it was very intentional that they drove
to this place out of the way.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
So they found that jacket there.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yes, at the at the scene where her body was
Neither of these places was where the actual crime of
the murder took place. However, there is no evidence of blood,
There is no evidence of you know, a struggle there.
It simply is where the body was placed. Okay, So
(28:27):
to this day, that crime scene where she was actually murdered,
whether it was in the car, whether it was you know,
on along the side of the road someplace else, it's
not been found. Her clothing was never found. Her purse
was discovered in a drainage ditch about a mile and
a half away from where her body was discovered, but
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no clothing.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Okay, that's just weird, very much.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Unfortunately, it was reported that evidence was handled improperly at
the time, not necessary, I think improperly is the correct term.
But it was probably from lack of experience. Experience at
the time. Yeah, that small time, small, no, but the
(29:16):
area was still rural. You know, a lot of the
area was state patrol. Probably didn't handle very many murders.
There's there's a lot of contributing things. Unfortunately, though, I
think that either from lack of experience or or just
you know, who knows. I hate to say they don't care,
(29:37):
but just probably lack of experience. They didn't use gloves
when touching evidence, like those photographs of them clearly like
touching the jacket there. There really wasn't a clear chain
of custody when releasing the evidence, and as DNA technology
(29:57):
has progressed over the years, investigators have attempt did to
test the evidence that they have for any leads, specifically
the jacket, but nothing has come up. So there was
an influx of federal funding between two thousand and seven
in two thousand and nine for a lot of cold cases,
and so they chose to use some of that money
to work on this case at that time, and it
(30:22):
unfortunately no leads came of it. Like I said, the
case is technically still open. It was turned over in
twenty thirteen to a new detective and it's still I mean,
they still hope for leads, they still follow up on things.
But the best piece of evidence that they have is
this jacket. And like I said, only one hundred and
(30:44):
forty three of this size were made and they were
not typically available to the public. So somebody had this jacket.
Somebody was using this jacket up until she was murdered
and then and obviously lost it. Yet nobody has come
forward with any suspicions of who might have had this jacket.
(31:07):
They also never released from anything that I can see,
and I'm not able to see the official police report
because it is still an active investigation. I tried to
request some of this stuff. My request is still pending,
So if there's any updates that I can provide afterwards,
of course I will. But from what I was able
(31:29):
to see, they never released a list of employees who
might have worn the size extra large jackets from the
feed store, from this this you know, local company. I
can't imagine there would have been too many employees if
only one hundred and forty three of these size jackets
(31:50):
were made. They had some still, So was it one
that somebody grabbed somehow? Was it donated? You know, there
are a lot of what ifs that could have haden
and with this article of clothing, But there's a lot
of information that it was just not necessarily made public
knowledge either in regard to the search of who had
the jacket. One of the things that came up was
(32:12):
that this case, you know, her murder was directly linked
to cases where she was an informant.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I figured, yeah, there.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Were there were several cases that had to be dismissed
due to her not being able to testify. She was
due in court the day after her appearance disappearance, so
the nineteenth she was supposed to be testifying on a case.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
They didn't go after that guy.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Whether they did or not, there's no there's never been
a suspect list that's been made.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Public either and it's still active.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, which is I find that interesting because usually even
if a suspect has been looked at and then dismissed,
they will release a name. Yeah, so I thought that
was interesting.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
It is interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, I mean, obviously, the very common theory is that
somebody didn't want her to testify. That's a very easy
assumption to make. I think. Eventually the FBI was called
in to assist with investigating and between all of the
you know, entities involved, all of the people involved. In
(33:20):
the first year alone of working this case, there was
logged fifteen thousand man hours Jesus just on her case.
When Captain Gary Joelfs took over the case in twenty thirteen,
he was, you know, the new lead investigator. They reintroduced
the request for DNA testing. It didn't come up with
(33:42):
any leads. Yeah, so they essentially are still taking any
bits and pieces of information that people have given. The
captain that took over in twenty thirteen reported that there
were people that they talked to regarding like her being
an informant, you know, where she worked, things like that,
(34:04):
the cases that she was set to, the cases that
she was set to testify in, and they their people
came in, they named names like there were there were
not just like, Oh, we think it's this guy. He
lives over on this street and we've seen him a
few times in the neighborhood. They were specifically saying, go
(34:25):
and ask so and so. We heard that there might
have been a tie. There were names named, and all
of these leads had been looked at, All of these
people were investigated, and there still never came up any leads.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Really.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, So remember I mentioned the link to another possible
case of a murder in Lincoln that happened in nineteen
seventy five. So there was a fatal shooting where a
woman was shot three shots to the head. Her and
her husband owned a rare coin company store in Lincoln.
(35:06):
Her body was found she was shot in the head
three times, had been gagged in a back room. Her
body was found by her twelve year old son in
the business. And why this specifically brought up thoughts of
a connection was the suspect in the composite sketch that
I showed you.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I was wearing the same hat.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
No, he was twice seen at the coin shop prior
to the murder of missus Mitzner. Her name was Maryanne Mitzner,
so witnesses placed him prior to her murder at the
coin shop on two different occasions. It is also thought
(35:51):
that her murder was an execution type murder, as was
the you know, it was suspected of Purchasire Webb's murder,
that it might have been a sending a message type murder,
but an execution type murder. Yeah, maybe somebody who didn't
(36:12):
quite know what they were doing, but still there was
a definite message sent And it was thought that Mary
Anne Mitzner's murder was also that type, although whoever committed
that murder, it was three shots clean to the head.
Any one of them would have killed her. From her
autopsy report, from the back or from the front. Oh,
(36:36):
so she was facing.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Okay, so they wanted to see it coming.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah. Her husband at the time was in jail, so
he was not a suspect. He had been arrested for
not doing the right thing with his business, so he
was taking Basically, he was using the business as a
(37:02):
front to get rare coins sold to people who didn't
want to know. They didn't want it known who was
buying it. Other things as well. I was going to say, yeah, stolen, stolen,
stolen good commodities. Yeah, across interstate lines. So it was
a federal offense. So he was in jail when this happened.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Well, maybe some people are just say better not talk.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
That's again kind of the suspicion. While they're not saying.
They didn't say at the time that robbery was a motive.
There was ten thousand dollars worth of merchandise stolen from
the store the day that she was killed.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Oh, maybe someone didn't like his evaluation, possibly if he
sold coins or Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
So the description of the man reportedly seen at Patricia's
place of employment the night that she was aducted and
killed was, like I said, it closely resembled the description
of the man who was seen. There was a suspect
arrested and convicted of this crime, so he confessed to
several other crimes that he committed in Nebraska in Lincoln area.
(38:19):
Patricia's was not one of them.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Okay, he does resemble the composite sketch. Loosely, I say loosely.
I don't I close the picture. I'll have to show you,
but I'll also post that along with the other with
the composite sketch. I'm not sure that I believe it's
the same man, but they do have evidence that they
(38:43):
say linked him to that crime. It was kind of
a clutch shut and closed like done case he confessed,
they had evidence that linked him. He was arrested and
served time, but like I said, he never confessed to
Patricia's and I didn't see anything that linked him to
(39:07):
mafia ties, drug ties, things like that. Okay, so this
case is still wide open. I mean it could go anywhere.
Patricia Webb's murder could go anywhere, could be any when
it's really it's not one that I think will be solved. Unfortunately,
(39:32):
come on, campers, somebody knows something that jacket is, so
there has to be something that somebody knows before is passing.
Her father told reporters, quote, the person that killed Patricia
has never been revealed my wife before she died, and
I we do not want to know who the killer was,
(39:54):
not now for it all to be publicized all over again.
And he said further that the crime had nearly killed
his wife and that they only wanted to move on.
So he passed away I believe in twenty seventeen, and
she had passed away in the nineties. So both of
(40:14):
them are gone. And did not ever get any closure
for their daughter or for themselves, for their family. So
while this isn't a what happens in the woods type crime,
it is a what happened on the farm type crime,
And I would hope that there would be something that
(40:37):
they could link between her being an informant between this jacket.
Maybe the feed store was accompliced to some of the
drug activity in the area. Maybe there could have been
a lot of different possibilities. I don't know if they
had pigs or not. There's a lot of of ways
(41:00):
that this could have gone, and I think a lot
of ways that it could have been solved. But I'm
you know, maybe it's the time. Maybe it was you know,
in the seventies, there was not necessarily there wasn't a database.
There wasn't a lot of connect the dots type investigation
going on. And if some of this involved state patrol,
(41:21):
some of it involved you know, FBI City police, who
knows who had what evidence and shared what.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
There wasn't like a central task force like there is no.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
No So I mean, I think there was a lot
of effort made to try to resolve this case. Unfortunately,
I don't think it landed them in the place where
they needed to be. And certainly, you know this young
woman who had her life cut shorts as is. I mean,
(41:54):
it's just it's almost the tale as old as time.
You know, It's it's very sad. So yeah, I'll post
a lot of like the photos. There's a photo of
the you don't see anything. There really wasn't anything that
was too like needed a trigger warning or anything like that.
(42:14):
But there is a photo online that I found of
the haystacks where you really can't even see anything, but
you can at least get a glimpse of I don't
even know. He must have just been very aware of
what was on his property because I don't even know.
Of course it's black and white, but I don't I
don't know that I would have been able to see
much just looking at the haystack.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Well, he probably knows his land and was just like, yeah,
that doesn't look great.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, And there was nobody living on the land, so
it would have just been him going and checking on
his cattle on and doing all that. So there are
there are some photos that I'll post, and you know,
of course all the links and and everything will be
in the show. Notes. We're Carrie. I'm curious to know
everybody's thoughts on this one. Do you think it's the mafia?
(43:04):
Do you think it was just somebody who didn't want
to face jail time for drug charge. Who knows?
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Someone does?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Somebody does, and it's possible they're still alive. Yeah, you know,
fifty years ago. Yeah, it's a long time, but somebody
could have been in their young twenties and still be
well and alive.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah, that's all I got for this case. We will
be back in two weeks, two fridays until we meet again.
Thanks everybody for tuning in. We're happy to be back
and we hope that you enjoy having us in your
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So everybody stays safe and stay out of the woods
(43:49):
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I actually on that note of like love and support,
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I thought it was kind of cool. Okay, someone actually
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I thought it was still up. I'd put it behind
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I'm not promising anything. We have like our TV a
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I erased the email Jesus rie, uh yeah, but it
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I know you put your heart and soul into the logo.
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I've also like changed the logo again. So but I mean,
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I'm ready.
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We're gonna We're gonna do this. We're gonna do this shit,
all right. So our case today is an unsolved murder
going back to nineteen seventy four, so fifty years ago.
I wasn't even born, No, we were not even thoughts.
(08:40):
This is a case that is out of Lincoln, Nebraska.
It's in Lancaster County and according to one of the
sources that I found on this from twenty thirteen, this
is the longest unsolved murder in Lincoln and it's still
considered an ongoing investigation. And in a whist, there is
(09:01):
speculation of a link to another murder that also happened
in Lincoln about that time, about a year later, is tied.
It is very possible that it could be. There's really
no evidence that links it, but I will we will
speak on this, okay. The victim in this case is
(09:21):
twenty four year old Patricia or Patty Webb. She was
found on April twentieth, nineteen seventy four, after having been
missing for over twenty four hours. Her body was found
on a cattle ranch that was not being lived on
at the time, was being cared for by the owner,
and he had showed up that morning in the early
(09:42):
morning to feed his cattle that was still on the property,
so nobody was actually living there at the time. While
feeding the cattle, he saw a flash of some blue
fabric that was very out of place, and after taking
a deeper look, he discovered the body of Patricia that
was under a tall haystack. She was completely nude and
(10:04):
she had been shot multiple times. They news articles, of course,
you know, every I think, every kind of like era
has their own type of news reporting, and this was
still very much like sensationalism, you know it if it
didn't it didn't sell papers, It wasn't news basically, but they.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Driven by the almighty dollar.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, all of the news reports from the local news
outlets were saying like bullet ridden or bullet riddled body.
The only thing on her body was a piece of
tape across her mouth. And this blue fabric that was
(10:48):
found nearby was from a like a puffy cotton jacket.
There was a mint size extra large. It was clearly
not her jacket. So Pattie, as she was known, was
described as beautiful, popular, considerate, loving, responsible, trustworthy. Her her
(11:09):
parents and her family members kind of reiterated that many
times that she just was considered a trustworthy person.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
She was born July second, nineteen forty nine in Burnwell,
West Virginia. She was being raised by a single mother
and her father was not in the picture. And then
when she was just four years old, her mother passed away,
which led to her being adopted by so her father's brother,
so an uncle and his wife, Robert and Joan Webb.
(11:42):
And from all accounts, she had a very happy, just
very normal childhood. She was beloved only child for Robert
and Joan.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Could she not have kids? Is that what it was?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know? It wasn't mentioned they didn't have any children,
like they didn't have any other children, but they were
happy to have her. Accounts from her parents and friends
relay that she was a lover of like crafting, needle
point ceramics and funnily funny, funny enough, funnily that's not
(12:20):
a word, funny enough. Something that I shared with this
with Patricia. When I was a kid, is I loved
roller skating.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I would spend my days out roller skating any day
that I could. She was a roller skating enthusiast. They
were constantly going to the roller rink and spending hours
of time there and she went on to win the
Miss Nebraska title at the North Central Regional Amateur roller
Skating champions Championships in Kansas City, Missouri. So this was
(12:53):
in nineteen sixty seven. She was a junior in high school.
Not to be trifled with, not at all. Roller Skating
is it's a workout. It's an activity for sure, but
you know, I know it's not. It's made a comeback recently,
especially during COVID. I saw a lot of people like
go back to actual four quad like roller skating, Like
(13:17):
it was very retro type of thing to get into.
But you know, of course there's the roller blades and
God only knows what else now I don't even know,
but I'm not hip to that anymore. I'm old. But
this was good old quads and she was very proud
of that. She was very like that was a big
(13:37):
accomplishment for her. Right after graduating high school from Southeast
High School in Lincoln, she was married. This man is
not named by any of the research that I could find.
It was a very short lived marriage. They were married
in nineteen sixty eight and by nineteen seventy she was
divorced and had resumed the use of her maiden name.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, there were a few years that we have no
information about her life other than she attempted to go
to the University of Nebraska to further her education a
couple of times, but she was not successful in graduating.
There's no mention of, you know, a like, a significant
other other than this person that she married and divorce.
(14:24):
There's no you know, dating information, there's she didn't have
a child, She's it's just kind of she was there,
she was living, she was working, she was being a
young woman. But there is a surprising twist to this.
Somehow she had become a police informant. Yeah, so it
(14:49):
seems that Patty was instrumental in between sixty to seven
cases were informing on drug dealers in the area with
the Nebraska State Patrolled so during a year one year
of time, this led to the arrest of dozens of
suspects for the Narcotics Department just in the few months
(15:10):
that she had been in informant. At the time of
her death, she was not being used as an informant
as she quote owed a financial entity roughly three to
four thousand dollars. I don't know what that means. She
was told to straighten up her finances and come back
when she had you know, when she had done that,
(15:31):
and then she could resume being a police informant. I
don't know what one thing has to do with the
other or what this money weird rule.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I don't know, because if you're going to be an informant,
maybe she had to be a witness and she had
to be.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Like clean above report. Yeah. The thing is, many of
the things that I read about, like how to become
a police informant is very rarely that you're just a
good citizen who wants to get into this ship. Usually
it's because you yourself have been arrested or you know,
(16:07):
held on suspicion of something, and in order to for
there not to be any charges, there's an exchange of
information there. So you know, I don't obviously she cannot
speak for herself. I didn't find any information that said otherwise.
(16:27):
You know, actually one way or the other. Let me
say that whether she was had been held on suspicion,
had a rest record, or was just I'm going to
do this because there's such a problem in our community
now with marijuana that I want to do this. And
and let's be clear, it was it was mostly marijuana
(16:51):
because that was still a very I mean, we're in
the heart of the Midwest here in Nebraska. Marijuana was
not looked on favorably, and in the seventies, you know,
late sixties, early seventies, it's still in a lot of areas,
is not. And in a lot of these drug charges
(17:13):
were just marijuana or you know, some of them were
obviously more serious. Yeah, there is one other unusual twist
to this story. Patricia's employer at the time of her
disappearance and murder was a business that she was reportedly
(17:34):
escorted from by an unknown mail during the morning of
April eighteenth. That was the last time she was seen
was April eighteenth, at about one am, being escorted from
her place of business. Any guesses of what that might be. No, No,
you're not even gonna.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Try a bar? Yeah, oh, like a restaurant, I.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Think more CD more.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Oh come on, I'm looking at this picture of her,
and she seems very.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
No, she just seems like a wholesome, all American.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
And if you say strip club close, oh god, a
gentleman's club close. Oh well, that's how she had so
many ties. I don't know, escort service.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
No, was she a pimp?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
No, she wasn't a bamp. Oh my god, can you imagine.
I mean, there can be women pimps. I know that.
But car dealer, car dealer. He's car dealer, he's car dealer.
It was a front for for truck smuggling.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
So.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Patricia at the time was a clerk at one of
two adult book and pornography businesses in Lincoln at the time, And.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Try why she had all the inside knowledge.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It's it's possible, but she had not worked there long.
She was still considered a new employee, and as you
can imagine you know this, these stores, these type of
stores were very scrutinized. They were. It was quite the
stir when this store was able to open in nineteen
seventy two, as there was a like a theater that
(19:19):
showed newdies in Lincoln that was already you know, very unwanted. Yeah,
but in nineteen seventy nine, the owner was able to
you know, legally open this business. He was able to
get a business license, and it was all on the
(19:40):
up and up as far as what I can see.
But the public and the police were constantly you know,
it was just getting it from both sides. So the public,
the community didn't want it there, and the police were
constantly trying to find nefarious reason sends to shut it
(20:01):
down or to harass the owner. They were seizing shipments
and searching them, like doing search and seizure when there
was really no cause for it. They were raiding the business.
They were you know, it was it was just like,
we don't want you in our community and we're going
to make your life help basically. And it was you know,
(20:22):
a long held belief that any type of adult bookstore,
pornography store, movie theater, anything like that was directly related
to the mafia at that time. So the stigma, you know,
you can imagine a young woman who presumably would have
no connections to any of that, like how would she
(20:46):
have gotten that job, first of all, and what would
it have looked like on a daily basis for her
to go into that job? Is it's definitely an interesting
place that I would not presume to see her in.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
No, but no, I mean a lot of it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I mean it could. It could very well tie to
the connections with her being an informant. I think that's
a good possibility. Obviously, if this was the connection, the
police have not come out and said that directly. Yeah,
so that's definitely some of some interest there. So when
(21:31):
we come back from our break, we will discuss more
details of this case and the possible connection to another
case that was from nineteen seventy.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Five Dun Dun Dun.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
The Tricia Webb had gone missing from her job in
the early morning of April eighteenth, where witnesses reported that
she was seen leaving with a black man and getting
into a car that was possibly had another man in
it waiting. The car was described as quote Boxy, an
older Cadillac or Buick end quote, which could have been
(22:04):
any damn car at that time. Yeah, and there was
a composite sketch that was made from the description of
the blackmail. I'm not gonna lie. I don't necessarily get
blackmail from this. We'll post it on links, but I'm
gonna see if I can show Bryce right now and
(22:25):
he can see. I don't know. I'm not sure what
I get from this.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I think could be I don't know either.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I have a hard time with this composite sketch. It
just looks like somebody I don't know. I don't know.
I you guys tell us when you see it on
the Instagram and the Facebook. It almost looks like he's
wearing a football, like part of a deflated football for
(22:56):
a hat.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
That what that is?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
That's what it looks like to me. Tell me that
doesn't look like that.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I just thought it was a cool ass.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Or or he's Jewish and he's wearing like the traditional
what is that called a yam yamuka. I don't want
to be wrong. It doesn't look right.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I thought it was a flat top.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Is that what that is? Sure?
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It was?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
He also looks like he could be a member of
Kiss with heavy eyeliner on. Yeah, yeah, I kudos to
whoever tried. I guess. Let's let's just say that when
other employees arrived for their shifts hours later on April nineteenth,
it was found that thirty dollars have been taken from
(23:38):
the till fifty one magazines of adult material had been stolen,
as well as a calculator. What do those three things
have in common?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
But he's got to learn, he's got to count all
the money he.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Stole, right, the whole thirty dollars, which I mean in
today's money is probably what close to one hundred Sure, yeah,
fifty one magazines, not fifty not fifty two. Fifty one
can't be even of the same type of magazine though,
So it was like a whole box of the same magazine.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
And any're in a hurry, it's like grab and go.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
You're not going to grab fifty magazines in a hurry.
Though he did think of how heavy those would be,
I didn't care. I guess, is this going to sell
them on eBay? Well, here's the thing. The store was
unmanned for hours, so who's to say that somebody didn't
come in other people come in at random times and
(24:34):
just take stuff, Like somebody came in and took these
magazines and was like, oh, I'm going to sell them,
or I don't know. You can't say that the person
who she was seen leaving with is the person who
took this stuff. There's no proof. They also found a
cord had been cut from the payphone located inside the store,
(24:55):
but there was no sign of Patricia anywhere when Oscar find,
the owner of the property that was where Patricia's body
was found, reported his findings. On the morning of April twentieth.
Investigators and state police responded to this scene, and as
I previously mentioned, Patricia had been shot several times. She
(25:15):
was found nude aside from the black jacket and the
tape that was covering her mouth. The autopsy finding showed
that Patricia had been shot with two different guns a
total of ten times. Damn, so six times in her
head and four in the body.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Jesus right, that sounds like I don't know, someone was
mad at her.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, there's there's some theories there.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That's not just like random, that's like, yeah, intentional in
the headman six times, six times, Jesus.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Investigators believed that the twenty twos were fired from a rifle,
most likely a Mossburg, and there were also twenty fives
taken from that were from a semi automatic handgun like
maybe a Bretta. What is interesting, in possibly the most telling,
(26:07):
you know, piece of evidence or lack of evidence, I
should say, was there was no finding of any sexual
assault on her body.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
She was naked, she was completely naked. Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It was discovered that the jacket was a promotional item,
so it was the item of apparel form a local
feed store. The feed store had ordered over a thousand
of these jackets back in nineteen sixty eight from a
local company in Kansas. Only around one hundred and forty
of those had been in the size extra large. You
(26:42):
would think that this would narrow things down quite a
bit and be, you know, a key piece of evidence
that would point to the direction of somebody. Nah, it
did not. So this jacket was something that was usually
given to employees of the feed store or maybe like
(27:02):
routine customers. Like I said, it was a promotional item.
There was no record keeping of who it went out to.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
So they could have just been like here you go.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, anybody at any time.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Oh, so there was no records.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Nope, A there were a few that were reported to
have been sold to customers. Again, no records. The jacket
is described as dark blue, light to medium in weight.
It was waste length, It was cotton, and it had
a bright yellow quilted lining. The zipper was a It
(27:36):
had a metal ring on the zipper pole tab. Otherwise
it just was you're running the mill jacket from where
the body was found. It was found in a farm
near Hallam, Nebraska. So from there to the adult bookstore
in Lincoln where she worked out is roughly a thirty
(27:59):
minute drive. So it was very intentional that they drove
to this place out of the way.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
So they found that jacket there.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yes, at the at the scene where her body was
Neither of these places was where the actual crime of
the murder took place. However, there is no evidence of blood,
There is no evidence of you know, a struggle there.
It simply is where the body was placed. Okay, So
(28:27):
to this day, that crime scene where she was actually murdered,
whether it was in the car, whether it was you know,
on along the side of the road someplace else, it's
not been found. Her clothing was never found. Her purse
was discovered in a drainage ditch about a mile and
a half away from where her body was discovered, but
(28:49):
no clothing.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Okay, that's just weird, very much.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Unfortunately, it was reported that evidence was handled improperly at
the time, not necessary, I think improperly is the correct term.
But it was probably from lack of experience. Experience at
the time. Yeah, that small time, small, no, but the
(29:16):
area was still rural. You know, a lot of the
area was state patrol. Probably didn't handle very many murders.
There's there's a lot of contributing things. Unfortunately, though, I
think that either from lack of experience or or just
you know, who knows. I hate to say they don't care,
(29:37):
but just probably lack of experience. They didn't use gloves
when touching evidence, like those photographs of them clearly like
touching the jacket there. There really wasn't a clear chain
of custody when releasing the evidence, and as DNA technology
(29:57):
has progressed over the years, investigators have attempt did to
test the evidence that they have for any leads, specifically
the jacket, but nothing has come up. So there was
an influx of federal funding between two thousand and seven
in two thousand and nine for a lot of cold cases,
and so they chose to use some of that money
to work on this case at that time, and it
(30:22):
unfortunately no leads came of it. Like I said, the
case is technically still open. It was turned over in
twenty thirteen to a new detective and it's still I mean,
they still hope for leads, they still follow up on things.
But the best piece of evidence that they have is
this jacket. And like I said, only one hundred and
(30:44):
forty three of this size were made and they were
not typically available to the public. So somebody had this jacket.
Somebody was using this jacket up until she was murdered
and then and obviously lost it. Yet nobody has come
forward with any suspicions of who might have had this jacket.
(31:07):
They also never released from anything that I can see,
and I'm not able to see the official police report
because it is still an active investigation. I tried to
request some of this stuff. My request is still pending,
So if there's any updates that I can provide afterwards,
of course I will. But from what I was able
(31:29):
to see, they never released a list of employees who
might have worn the size extra large jackets from the
feed store, from this this you know, local company. I
can't imagine there would have been too many employees if
only one hundred and forty three of these size jackets
(31:50):
were made. They had some still, So was it one
that somebody grabbed somehow? Was it donated? You know, there
are a lot of what ifs that could have haden
and with this article of clothing, But there's a lot
of information that it was just not necessarily made public
knowledge either in regard to the search of who had
the jacket. One of the things that came up was
(32:12):
that this case, you know, her murder was directly linked
to cases where she was an informant.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I figured, yeah, there.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Were there were several cases that had to be dismissed
due to her not being able to testify. She was
due in court the day after her appearance disappearance, so
the nineteenth she was supposed to be testifying on a case.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
They didn't go after that guy.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Whether they did or not, there's no there's never been
a suspect list that's been made.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Public either and it's still active.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, which is I find that interesting because usually even
if a suspect has been looked at and then dismissed,
they will release a name. Yeah, so I thought that
was interesting.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
It is interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, I mean, obviously, the very common theory is that
somebody didn't want her to testify. That's a very easy
assumption to make. I think. Eventually the FBI was called
in to assist with investigating and between all of the
you know, entities involved, all of the people involved. In
(33:20):
the first year alone of working this case, there was
logged fifteen thousand man hours Jesus just on her case.
When Captain Gary Joelfs took over the case in twenty thirteen,
he was, you know, the new lead investigator. They reintroduced
the request for DNA testing. It didn't come up with
(33:42):
any leads. Yeah, so they essentially are still taking any
bits and pieces of information that people have given. The
captain that took over in twenty thirteen reported that there
were people that they talked to regarding like her being
an informant, you know, where she worked, things like that,
(34:04):
the cases that she was set to, the cases that
she was set to testify in, and they their people
came in, they named names like there were there were
not just like, Oh, we think it's this guy. He
lives over on this street and we've seen him a
few times in the neighborhood. They were specifically saying, go
(34:25):
and ask so and so. We heard that there might
have been a tie. There were names named, and all
of these leads had been looked at, All of these
people were investigated, and there still never came up any leads.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Really.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, So remember I mentioned the link to another possible
case of a murder in Lincoln that happened in nineteen
seventy five. So there was a fatal shooting where a
woman was shot three shots to the head. Her and
her husband owned a rare coin company store in Lincoln.
(35:06):
Her body was found she was shot in the head
three times, had been gagged in a back room. Her
body was found by her twelve year old son in
the business. And why this specifically brought up thoughts of
a connection was the suspect in the composite sketch that
I showed you.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I was wearing the same hat.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
No, he was twice seen at the coin shop prior
to the murder of missus Mitzner. Her name was Maryanne Mitzner,
so witnesses placed him prior to her murder at the
coin shop on two different occasions. It is also thought
(35:51):
that her murder was an execution type murder, as was
the you know, it was suspected of Purchasire Webb's murder,
that it might have been a sending a message type murder,
but an execution type murder. Yeah, maybe somebody who didn't
(36:12):
quite know what they were doing, but still there was
a definite message sent And it was thought that Mary
Anne Mitzner's murder was also that type, although whoever committed
that murder, it was three shots clean to the head.
Any one of them would have killed her. From her
autopsy report, from the back or from the front. Oh,
(36:36):
so she was facing.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Okay, so they wanted to see it coming.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah. Her husband at the time was in jail, so
he was not a suspect. He had been arrested for
not doing the right thing with his business, so he
was taking Basically, he was using the business as a
(37:02):
front to get rare coins sold to people who didn't
want to know. They didn't want it known who was
buying it. Other things as well. I was going to say, yeah, stolen, stolen,
stolen good commodities. Yeah, across interstate lines. So it was
a federal offense. So he was in jail when this happened.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Well, maybe some people are just say better not talk.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
That's again kind of the suspicion. While they're not saying.
They didn't say at the time that robbery was a motive.
There was ten thousand dollars worth of merchandise stolen from
the store the day that she was killed.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Oh, maybe someone didn't like his evaluation, possibly if he
sold coins or Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
So the description of the man reportedly seen at Patricia's
place of employment the night that she was aducted and
killed was, like I said, it closely resembled the description
of the man who was seen. There was a suspect
arrested and convicted of this crime, so he confessed to
several other crimes that he committed in Nebraska in Lincoln area.
(38:19):
Patricia's was not one of them.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Okay, he does resemble the composite sketch. Loosely, I say loosely.
I don't I close the picture. I'll have to show you,
but I'll also post that along with the other with
the composite sketch. I'm not sure that I believe it's
the same man, but they do have evidence that they
(38:43):
say linked him to that crime. It was kind of
a clutch shut and closed like done case he confessed,
they had evidence that linked him. He was arrested and
served time, but like I said, he never confessed to
Patricia's and I didn't see anything that linked him to
(39:07):
mafia ties, drug ties, things like that. Okay, so this
case is still wide open. I mean it could go anywhere.
Patricia Webb's murder could go anywhere, could be any when
it's really it's not one that I think will be solved. Unfortunately,
(39:32):
come on, campers, somebody knows something that jacket is, so
there has to be something that somebody knows before is passing.
Her father told reporters, quote, the person that killed Patricia
has never been revealed my wife before she died, and
I we do not want to know who the killer was,
(39:54):
not now for it all to be publicized all over again.
And he said further that the crime had nearly killed
his wife and that they only wanted to move on.
So he passed away I believe in twenty seventeen, and
she had passed away in the nineties. So both of
(40:14):
them are gone. And did not ever get any closure
for their daughter or for themselves, for their family. So
while this isn't a what happens in the woods type crime,
it is a what happened on the farm type crime,
And I would hope that there would be something that
(40:37):
they could link between her being an informant between this jacket.
Maybe the feed store was accompliced to some of the
drug activity in the area. Maybe there could have been
a lot of different possibilities. I don't know if they
had pigs or not. There's a lot of of ways
(41:00):
that this could have gone, and I think a lot
of ways that it could have been solved. But I'm
you know, maybe it's the time. Maybe it was you know,
in the seventies, there was not necessarily there wasn't a database.
There wasn't a lot of connect the dots type investigation
going on. And if some of this involved state patrol,
(41:21):
some of it involved you know, FBI City police, who
knows who had what evidence and shared what.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
There wasn't like a central task force like there is no.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
No So I mean, I think there was a lot
of effort made to try to resolve this case. Unfortunately,
I don't think it landed them in the place where
they needed to be. And certainly, you know this young
woman who had her life cut shorts as is. I mean,
(41:54):
it's just it's almost the tale as old as time.
You know, It's it's very sad. So yeah, I'll post
a lot of like the photos. There's a photo of
the you don't see anything. There really wasn't anything that
was too like needed a trigger warning or anything like that.
(42:14):
But there is a photo online that I found of
the haystacks where you really can't even see anything, but
you can at least get a glimpse of I don't
even know. He must have just been very aware of
what was on his property because I don't even know.
Of course it's black and white, but I don't I
don't know that I would have been able to see
much just looking at the haystack.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Well, he probably knows his land and was just like, yeah,
that doesn't look great.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, And there was nobody living on the land, so
it would have just been him going and checking on
his cattle on and doing all that. So there are
there are some photos that I'll post, and you know,
of course all the links and and everything will be
in the show. Notes. We're Carrie. I'm curious to know
everybody's thoughts on this one. Do you think it's the mafia?
(43:04):
Do you think it was just somebody who didn't want
to face jail time for drug charge. Who knows?
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Someone does?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Somebody does, and it's possible they're still alive. Yeah, you know,
fifty years ago. Yeah, it's a long time, but somebody
could have been in their young twenties and still be
well and alive.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah, that's all I got for this case. We will
be back in two weeks, two fridays until we meet again.
Thanks everybody for tuning in. We're happy to be back
and we hope that you enjoy having us in your
ears again, talking to you, talking to you about crimes.
So everybody stays safe and stay out of the woods
(43:49):
and off the farms. Bye guys, Bye,
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