Halloween special with Crimes and Closets

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What Happens in the Woods is atrue crime podcast. We discuss events that
are often violent in nature. Listener'sdiscretion is advised. Welcome to What Happens
in the Woods podcast bonus Halloween episodewith special guests Christy and Beth from Crimes

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and Closets. Hello, Welcome tothe most honored and sacred occasions here at
the campfire, my friends. Youknow why you're here. This is our
fourth annual Halloween collab with our podcastbesties, the Ladies from Crimes and Closets

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Christy and Beth, Hey, ladies, hio fourth the annual. That's amazing.
Isn't that scary? That I reallyhad to like do the math and
I was just like, wait aminute, this is going to be our
fourth together doing this. It's crazy. Yeah. We just recorded an intro
before we got on with you guysto do this and for this, Like

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you know, however many weeks agoand she Beth was mentioning like, oh,
we're going to do our collab blahblah blah. What is this our
third? I'm like, no,fourth, Yeah, it's our fourth.
We're seniors, I know, right, It's like we know what we're doing
now. Maybe it's so fun.I just love it. I love that

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we do this. Yes, wellI hope we never stop. I mean
we can't one of us stops podcasting, we can't write even at that.
We might have to make an exceptionand like you know, have guest starring
roles even if we're not podcasting anymore, if somebody else still is. That's
true. Yeah, they do iton TV. Why can't we do it

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with podcasts? Exactly? So youmay notice that we are missing a member,
and that is Bryce. He unfortunatelycannot join us for this leg of
our journey, but we are hopingthat we're going to regroup and he's going
to be back with us. Sodon't have any fear his uh huhs and
yes's and oh's are they're going tobe there. They're coming, They're coming.

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Yes, we miss yeah, wedo miss you. And maybe maybe
he'll pop in at some point ifpossible. But for now, he's not
here. Oh is he gonna come? As we as we just said,
he's not here now he is?Yes, you made it, you made

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me a line, what you did? You made history? Bryce? Yes,
he's here. Okay, Okay,well I guess we can just delete
all of that, then we don'teven have to just roll with it,
just roll with it all right.Well, welcome sir, Hello, Hello.

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We are kicking off this episode thisyear with a little change. So
this year, Christy and I willbe your host on our podcast and then
The Killer Be we'll be taking overCrimes and Closets for their episode on Monday,
October thirtieth. So, you guys, the theme we have for you
this year is arguably the best thatwe've had. I'm just gonna call it

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you. Yes, well, weget better with time, we do,
right, we are aging like finewine. I love it. So backstory,
we all kind of meet, well, the four of us meet for
quarterly meetings just so we can likeget together. Not everybody knows that that's
just for us, but we gettogether, we chat, we kind of
you know, share what's going onwith each other, and then of course

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we plan what we're clabbing on.And so you know, when we met
for our last meeting, Beth hadthis idea and it was I mean,
it was perfect. It just isperfect. So yeah, came out of
our mouth and we were like,yes, that's it. Yeah, that
was it. No discussion. Wewere like meeting adjournd done. We're perfect

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This year. We are bringing youhorror movies that are based on true crime
cases. And I will say formyself, I was surprised at how many
movies like this there are. Idon't mean like documentaries or dateline episodes.
I'm actually meaning like Hollywood or streamedmovies. There's a ton and they're not

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new either. As you will cometo find out later, this has been
going on for a long time.So art imitates life, can I can?
I also just quickly remind you,do you remember our quarterly meeting when
Beth's like, there's thirty of them, and then like five minutes later she's

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like, no, there's like foreight and there's fifty. Every time going
up in number. How many movieswere As the night went on, She's
like, guys, there's like sixtyto choose. It was by the end
of the meeting we were at onehundred and something there was to choose from
like every It was like, ohmy god, there's millions. You only

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needed to pick four, right,all right, So we will be ladies
and gentlemen here in the woods andallow our guests to go first. So
Christy, are you ready take itaway? Okay, Oh my gosh,
I was totally expecting to listen first. But all right, I'm ready.
I'm ready. I've got my caseup here on my computer. So here
we go. I guys going toLong Island for this one. So forgive

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me if the Long Island comes outevery now and then, I'm I wanted
to do the whole thing in LongIsland accent, but I don't think that
that's possible. So from there originallyfor those who don't know, Oh,
yes, that's where I'm from.Okay, so we are going to Amityville.
Oh oh, the Amityville Horror,which I watched a really long time

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ago, but I don't know whenyou guys watched it last. Did you
know there's a remake with Ryan Gosslinga hundred? I did not, and
I did not watch that though.Wait right, Ryan Gosling. I thought
it was Ryan Reynolds. Oh waita minute, see I get them confused.
Well whatever, it's one of them. But it's still shocked to me,

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you know, yeah, because Iwas like, is he like five?
How is he old enough to bethe dad? He was so young?
I mean, both of them wouldbe I don't remember which one it
is, either it was done intwo thousand and five or so. Yeah,
I didn't watch it, but Ido want to watch it just because
I'm curious. So I think that'sthe version that I watched. I don't
think I've actually been able to watchtheir original version. Wall that's sad.

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It is something. It is something, And I rewatched it because it's been
so long that I was like,I got to watch this and see it
and it's amazing. So maybe someday. Yeah, and clearly, like I'm
sure that most people know this story. It's a pretty popular one. And
I don't know if you guys knowthis, but I think Beth, you
put me onto the podcast that DonnieWahlberg narrated. Yess like very Scary People

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or something. It's a whole serieson it. It's really good. Oh
it's Ryan Revolts by the way.Okay, sorry I said Gosling. Whatever.
I just guess it was like wishfulthinking it was Gossling. I mean
sure. Anyways, Okay, Sothere's been very many versions and sequels to

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this, like twenty did you knowthat to this movie? What? Oh?
I didn't know that. Actually thiswas like a fun fact cast fun
fact, there was like twenty ofthem, and I didn't watch any of
them. I only watched the ogfor a refresher, and it was truly
amazing. The movie came out inseventy nine, so I was two,

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No, I was one. Idon't even hold and it was based on
a book at that start or themovie starred James Brolin and Margo Kidder.
Oh my god, I've remember that. Oh my god, the lady from
Superman who went that shit crazy?Right, Yes, yes, it was

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very good. Emory was actually studyingbecause he's studying for a bunch of tests
right now while I was watching,and every now and then he'd like look
up and be like, oh mygosh, what is happening? What is
going on? This movie is likethe cheesiest movie in the world, and
it totally is. And it totallyamazs me how not scary it was,

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because I remember at the time thatI first watched it thinking this is the
worst thing ever. It's totally notscary, not a scary movie. It
depicts a house that a mass murderoccurred in, and then when a new
family moves in, they experience paranormalactivity. That's so scary to them that
they end up leaving in less thana month. It's time of living there,

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that's basically the gist of the movie. They experienced such things as it
being cold all the time, thisdark green slash like black slime coming from
the toilets and walls, flies fillingthe room, and then they'd all of
a sudden be gone. Members ofthe clergy would get sick just from being
in the home or attempting to warnthe family about the home. There's like

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a pig like creature with red eyesthat would look at them from one of
the windows. It was weird.Oh that's a hard pass. No,
absolutely not pig like culture. Literally, it would be like a pig face
with red eyes and it was lookingout the window at them. There's also
a portal to Hell in the basementbehind a wall that they knock down and

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find. It is literally quite amazing. Guys, I love that you're like
and also nonchalantly there's a portal toHell. Yes, I'm in my basement
right right now with a fire behindme. Do you think the portal is
right there? I don't know.Maybe, Okay, all Long Island,
I won't channel. Okay, Sothe house that the movie was based on

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is just under seven miles from mychildhood home. Oh my gosh, yes,
I've been past it. It's theaddress is one twelve Ocean Avenue and
there it is. I hear ithigh Long Island. Hi, you'm doing
how It's on the South Store ofLong Island on a canal. It's considered

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a Dutch colonial house and it wasbuilt in nineteen twenty seven and it's a
four thousand square foot house with fivebedrooms, three and a half baths,
with a boathouse. I mean itsounds. I also really would just like
to interject and say that we havetalked about the Amiteville House since we've had
a podcast from twenty and twenty twothousand and night. How long. I

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don't even know. It's been along time, and we have talked about
this story for so many years.And here you go, Yeah, but
not got arrested. You can notin any real detail. But yeah,
it was. Yeah, it's crazyand honestly, like low key on the
list. Yeah, and I didn'thonestly truly know the true true story behind

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it because nobody cared. It waslike it was, and so what happened
there and I never cared to lookinto it until now, clearly, except
when I listened to Donni Wahlberg's podcast. That was awesome. I mean he
could read anything. I think thatwould be fine. Yeah, it was
great. It was great anyway,So okay, So one of the families

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that lived in this house were theDafaos. They moved into the home around
nineteen sixty five, and they movedfrom Brooklyn, and in nineteen seventy four,
the Dafaos were living a comfy,middle class lifestyle. Ronald Senior was
a car slip car salesman slash managerat a dealership owned by his father,
and he was married to Louise.They had five children. Ronald Junior was

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twenty three, Dawn who was eightAlison, Oh, I don't clearly,
I don't know her age. Nope, she was thirteen, just kidding,
and Mark was eleven and John wasnine years old. So in nineteen seventy
four of those were their ages.It's reported in some places that Ronald Senior
was a bit of a hothead andcould be domineering, especially towards his older

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son ron Junior, but it's notreally corroborated in many sources, like Most
of the time, people described themas a typical family and they were happy
and they went to church and whatever. But every now and then somebody has
said this about him, so Ican't really truly corroborate that there were no
major issues that anyone could see onthe outside from the neighborhood. That is,

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until Ron Junior had started to kindof become a little bit of a
bully. He was bullied as achild, slightly overweight at times, and
by the time he was a teenagerhe had started to lash out against his
friends and his family because of this. One time he tried to or not
tried, but threatened his father witha gun during an argument. I don't

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know where he got the gun from, but he had a gun. It
was so bad that Louise and Ronhad wanted to take him to a psychiatrist
to get him help, but RonJunior was just so convinced that he didn't
need any help that he refused togo to any of the appointments. So
by the time he was seventeen,he was using LSD and heroin and getting
himself into trouble, which is unfortunate. Oh, that was very sad.

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Trying to get him help. Ibelieve at some point he moved out,
but things just got kind of worsefor him, and so Ron and Louise
offered Ron a place to live anda job at the car dealership that Ron
worked out, and they offered hima weekly stipend regardless of how he performed
at work that week. So Idon't know, so you have a job

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that you don't have to do yourjob right, I'm not so sure that
I would do that for my kids. I mean, I love the kids,
but I don't know that I could. I don't feels like it's just,
like I said, enabling to notdo anything. But okay, this
is what they did. They're justtrying to help him out. That money
just went to alcohol and drugs,so again not helping out much at all.

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And of course this is also backin a time when mental illness was
just kind of sort of ignored,and then you add substance abuse on top
of it and it just becomes abig mess. So Ron and Louise tried
to get him help, but I'msure the stigma of mental illness is what
turned Ron Junior off, and atone point he was tasked with the job

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of depositing twenty thousand dollars into thebank for the dealership. Why they gave
him that? Not a good plan, Like, yeah, you've got a
kid who's on drugs and has issues, but here make this twenty thousand dollars
deposit. Well, he definitely hatcheda plan to steal it for himself,
and I don't know the full outcomeof that, but somehow the police were

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notified or caught on and I don'tthink he was charged with anything, but
it was figured out and he didnot get that money. On November thirteenth,
nineteen seventy four, Ron Junior wentto work for the day. Ron
Senior would normally be at work earlierthan him, but on this day,

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he didn't go to work. Juniorwould come home or call home multiple times
throughout the day and get no answer. After he was finished working, he
went to a local bar to meetup with his friends and again would call
home a couple times from the barand get no answer, which seems a
little strange to me, like whyare you so concerned with where your family?
Answer what they're doing at this point? But okay, he decides to

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leave that bar and go check inat the home with around six thirty pm,
and not long after that, heruns back into the bar, screaming,
you gotta help me. I thinkmy mother and father are s He
went back to the bar. Yeah, where was the bar? How far
away? It was like a halfmile, I don't know, a few
blocks away. There was There wasno phone line, landline phone. Yeah

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there was a phone. Okay,yeah, I mean clearly all of our
radars are up beause that's what wedo. Right now. Why did you
run back to the bar. Whendidn't you call somebody from the house.
But okay, So several of hisfriends from the bar ran out of the
bar and drove to his house.There they found the bodies of his parents

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and his four siblings. Oh mygosh. One of the gentlemen who came
called the police from the house andstated that there had been a shooting and
the entire family was dead. Whenpolice arrived, they find the bodies of
both the parents and all four siblings. They had all been shot in the
back while they're sleeping. Alison andDon were both shot once in the back

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of the head. Mark and Johnwere both shot once in their back,
and both parents were each shot twicein the back. It seemed as though
Louise and one of his sisters.I don't know how they can tell this,
honestly, Maybe you guys know,but one of louise mom and one
of the sisters may have been awakewhile they were shot. So I'm guessing
that he shot somebody, they wokeup and then they were shot. But

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I don't know how police or cornerscan tell that. Well, it has
to do with how blood does thingswhen you're awake versus not. Okay,
yeah, well yeah, and youmove yeah or different, or if you
know, if they were walking orsitting upright or you know, maybe they

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they were up and moving towards thesound. They heard the sound of another
shot and they were up and moving. Yeah, So if they're out of
their bed, you know, they'reobviously not sleepwalking. Maybe that's how they
determine that. That would be theonly thing I could think of. Yeah,
I know that they were all foundin their beds, like on their
stomachs, but clearly he could havepositioned them. But I don't. I

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don't know. There wasn't a wholelot of detail in all this, but
huhay, maybe there is a way. I don't I don't know. Yeah,
I don't know either. Ron Juniorwas at home and almost or at
the home and almost inconsolable when thepolice arrived, and he started rambling on
about how he thinks his family wastargeted by the mob and a man named

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Lewis Fellini was a mob hitman whodid it. It's always the Fellinis.
Were there ties that the family hadto the mob. Okay, so this
specific man, Fellini had lived withthem for a short time and Ron is

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saying he knew where my father stashedthe cash, stashed the cash and precious
gems. Do you guys have preciousgems? Like, oh my god,
I I'll ever tell Okay. Yeah, And I'm just assuming that this guy
is just known to have mob tiesand that's why he's saying it. But

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that's their ties that he lived withthem for a short time. But I
don't know why or how they knewhim and why he did that. But
anyways, interesting, but there werea few inconsistencies with his story, so
they just kept questioning him. Andthey also investigated this Lewis Felini and discovered
that he was actually out of thestate and so he wouldn't have been able
to commit the murders at the timethat that happened. After Ron was questioned,

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they searched the house and found boxesof bullets that matched the caliber that
was found in the bodies. Policequestioned his friends and they told him that
he was a gun fanatic, andthey started to kind of connect the pieces
to Ron. So they go backto the station where Ron had fallen asleep
after his questioning, and they wakehim up and they immediately read him his

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rights and he's like, it wasFellini, It wasn't me. I don't
know what you're talking about. Hewoke me up in the middle of the
night, forced me to watch himkill my entire family, and then he
got rid of the gun and asewer in Brooklyn that's what mobsters do.
So at first he doesn't know anythingabout how they got shot. But then

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all of a sudden, now it'she woke me up in the mill that
I made me watch he went allday without Yeah, did he block it
out? Yeah? Like what's hisstory exactly? Well, there is no
story, Like he's just like nowlike making stuff up. But then it
doesn't make any sense because it's like, well, he went to work and
he was there, and they knowthat what time they were killed based on

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I'm sure, like how long thebodies were there in rigor mortis all that
kind of stuff. So eventually theykeep questioning him and he's like, okay,
fine, I did it. Imurdered my entire family. So the
story is that around three point fifteenin the morning of November thirteenth, Ronald
Junior took a thirty five caliber Marlinrifle and methodically shot both of his parents

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and then went and shot each ofhis siblings, which that is wild.
This is going to sound terrible theway I'm gonna say it, but it's
like, you know, I understandfind you killed your parents, but why
do you got to kill the kids? Why did God kill yourself siblings?
I don't understand why he killed hisparents either, But if I'm thinking about

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this, I'm like, what,But why are the siblings? Honestly,
I think because you want to absolveyourself from guilt and you don't want to
acknowledge that you have affected the otherchildren, and so it's just easier if
you just take everybody out and thenit's only you and who's going to say

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and you can live your lie andgo about your business and there's no guilt,
right, Yeah, no witnesses andno witnesses because I'm sure somebody would
have woken up and seen Ron runningor I don't know, because he doesn't
sound like a sociopath. He soundslike somebody who has a drug addiction and
maybe some mental illness issues. Butthat also just could be drug addiction,

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you know, it could be aresult of drug addiction or alcoholism. It
doesn't sound like he's uncarrying sociopath whohas no sense of right or wrong,
So right, you just you thinkin them. That's the way I'm looking
at it. Anyways, I don'tknow, I could be wrong. Yeah,
no, that makes sense, totallymakes sense. So ron says to

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the police that happens really fast,and once he started, he just couldn't
stop. So then he took ashower, changed clothes, got rid of
the bloody clothes and the gun ina sewer not in Brooklyn, and the
gun was eventually found in the AmityvilleCreek, which connects to the sewers that

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he says he got rid of themfrom. Ronald Dafeo Junior went to trial
for the murders on October fourteenth,nineteen seventy five. His lawyer tried to
use the insanity defense because he saidhe had heard voices telling him to kill
his family, but the prosecution arguedthat he was just a typical drug user

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with mental illness and he was totallyaware of what he was doing, and
at the time, he was convictedof six counts of second degree murder and
sentenced to six concurrent sentences of twentyfive years to life. He spent the
rest of his life in a prisonin upstate New York. He was denied
parole each time he was up forit. In the nineteen nineties, he
attempted to get a new trial becausethen he stated that don his sister,

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was the one that killed everyone,and he walked in on it and then
killed her fighting for the gun.God, why wouldn't you have said that
in the first place? Then,if that's what happened, yeah, tell
me about twenty years later, right, Yeah. No one believed this,
and he was not granted a newtrial, and he died at the age

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of sixty nine on March twelfth,twenty twenty one. So he didn't die
not oh woh wow. Yeah,And his cause of death was never released.
This boy how causes? Most likely? Yes? Right? So after
year, a year after the murders. Okay, so this is where the
movie comes into play. The murdershappened in this house, but that's not

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what the movie's about. The movie'sabout the paranormal activity that happened. So
a year yeah, a year afterthe murders, the house was put on
the market. On December eighteenth,nineteen seventy five, Kathy and George Lutz
moved into the house. George wasthe vice president and treasurer of a surveying
firm in Siasset, New York.They moved in with Kathy's three children from

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a previous marriage, Chris, Daniel, and Melissa. They purchased the house
for eighty thousand dollars, which waswell below market value because of the murders
that had occurred in the house.The day they, yeah, the day
they moved in, they had apriest come in to bless their home.
And I'm guessing this is their versionof staging. It is a traditional way

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of saging. Yes, it isyes, yes, yes yes for Catholics,
holy saging. Ye. The ltsaysclaim that after the priest, after
that the priest called them and toldthem while he was there, he heard
a voice telling him to get outand they should stay out of the second
floor bedroom and not to use itas a bedroom or let anyone sleep in

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it. He didn't. They wouldlater findly he was there, Like why
wouldn't you say that while you're there? Like hey, like like whoopy Goldberg
and ghost girl? You in danger? Like you in danger? People?
You in danger? Girl? Girl? Yeah, it was like, yeah,

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why did he Like Yeah, Idon't understand. I mean in the
movie, it shows that he cameand that the family like wasn't there when
he was there, But so Idon't know if that's actually oh maybe,
but okay, anyways, anyway,okay, So they would later find out
that this bedroom was Ron's bedroom,the one who committed the murders. Oh.

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The family then claimed to have experiencedmany instances of paranormal activity. George
claimed that he would wake up atthree point fifteen every day the time that
all the murders occurred. They wouldsmell strange odors, and they would be
green slime on the walls and agelatinous like drops on the carpet, which
is so strange it sounds like aplumbing problem. I mean, yeah,

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tell me. Yeah, there werecold spots in the house. And they
also did claim they saw a piglike creature because I thought that was just
like an embellished in the movie.But they did claim there was a pig
like creature with red eyes in thewindow. When they were all like,
wow, okay, that's crazy.Kathy and one of the kids were said
to have levitated in their beds,and they would also randomly or actually Kathy

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would turn into this like old ninetyyear old woman, Like he would see
an old ninety year old woman whenhe looked at her. Wow, yeah,
yeah, okay. So it becameso intense that the family just would
just get up and leave the homeon January fourteenth, nineteen seventy six,
after twenty eight days of living thereand they never have yeah, And so

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they sent movers to get I know, only twenty eight days. So this
like this family actually did do this. They sent movers to get their belongings.
They would sell things off in thehome that they didn't want and didn't
care about. Police gave the lutzesLie detector tests and they always passed them.
They said the children would corroborate theirstories. In March of nineteen seventy

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six, the couple got a contractfrom a group who had written a book
about the house and their experience,one of which was the attorney for Ronde
Fao Junior. So, okay,a little little, little weird. Kathy
and George would get a small percentageof the money for this book. So

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Kathy and George end up rejecting thisdeal and enter into a deal with author
j Anson, who would eventually writethe book The Amityville Horror okay, which
the movie is based on, Andin that deal, they would get fifty
percent of profits. So they chosethat deal instead of because it was their
story, right, yes, Sothey used forty something hours of recorded statements

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to help with writing this book,and the family would eventually net three hundred
thousand dollars from their stories, whichis quite a bit of money. Back
at that time, they were scrutinizedfor their stories, saying they were exaggerated
or made up, and George andKathy eventually would divorce in nineteen eighty eight
and Kathy would pass away in twothousand and four from emphysema. George passes

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away in two thousand and six fromheart disease. Okay, so the kids,
they start talking to the kids like, Okay, we think that your
parents made this up. Daniel refusesto talk about this. Melissa has never
been located. So the only onethat's ever spoken out about it is Christopher,
and he states that there was someparanormal activity in his opinion, but

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that everything that had been stated forlike the book and the movies as fact,
was embellished to the point of fictionby George. George made it all
up and oh interesting whatever. Sohe said that George was obsessed with the
occult and would try some in thespirits, so all of it was his

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own fault anyway. The parapsychology theInstitute of America, which apparently was like
started in Durham, North Carolina.Did you know that welcome. Yeah.
They were sent out to investigate andfound no evidence of paranormal activity. I
have no idea what you do totest that they did and they went in

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and said, Nope, no paranormalactivity. The house went into foreclosure in
nineteen seventy seven and was purchased byJames and Barbara Cramarti in April of seventy
seven. They lived there for overa decade and never experienced anything paranormal in
the home. Correct, it's beenlived in by new reported what that they

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reported? Well, I mean they'vebeen asked and they're like, no,
nothing ever happened. Oka, Likeanyway, Okay, it's been lived in
by numerous other families who also reportthe same thing. Nothing has ever happened
in this house. They also oneof the owners changed the address from one
twelve Ocean Avenue to one eight OceanAvenue to deter people from visiting it,

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but that did not work. Clearly, everybody knows what it looks like.
It's pretty. I mean you canlook at the picture. Yeah, yeah,
that picture is everywhere. Yeah.They did change the outside of the
home quite a bit over the years, especially the iconic like quarter round windows
on the side of the house.And I don't know if you guys knew
this, but the house in themovie is actually a house in Tom's River,

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New Jersey. It's not the actualhouse that looks similar. And they
have even changed the outside of theirhome to discourage people from coming to it.
Let's see it. Oh wow,Okay. Years after William Webber,
who is the attorney for Ron DeFeoJunior that was originally part of the first

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book contract. He came forward andtold People magazine that he, George and
Kathy made up the wild stories aboutthe house after several bottles of wine.
Oh so they were buddies. They'rebuddies. But people are like, did
he say that because he was notat them because he didn't take their deal

(32:05):
and then he made money off ofit, or was this really the truth?
I don't know. We don't know, but that's the story behind the
Amityville horror movie. And who knowsif actually any of it it was true.
We don't know, but everyone buteveryone says it's not that they embarrassed

(32:27):
it. That is wild wild.I actually the only thing that I know
well because I did watch the moviewith Ryan Reynolds and it was very It
was also very cheesy. It's inthe beginning of the Second Conjuring movie.

(32:51):
She oh yeah, Lorraine and EdWarren visited that house, like quite famously
visited that house several times. Andin the beginning of the Second Conjuring movie,
they're like doing a seance and sheis basically going through She's like connected
with the son who did the killing, Like she's connected with him and she's

(33:13):
watching him go through and do it, and she's like talking about how what's
going, like what happened in thehouse. Hmmm. That that is the
most that I remember about the house. Like, yeah, it's a weird,
it's a weird connection. But yeah, yeah, that's I'm gonna now
I'm gonna have to go watch thecon I was just gonna say, you

(33:37):
haven't watched the contrect because no,me either. So it's the second movie
that that they do that. Thefirst one is actually based also off of
a supposedly haunted house that I cannotremember where it's at, but it's it's
based off of like a a storyof like a witch who cursed a house

(34:01):
and a family ends up having issuesthere too, So it's humh they're very
creepy movies. They're very well done, but they're very creepy and if anybody
is it has not seen it andgoes to see it. The second one
freaked me out worse because there's thiscreepy nun who it's like a demon who's
a nun, And that's where themovie the Nun comes from, is this

(34:24):
demon thing that looks like a nun, and it shows itself as a nun
to lowering Warren in the movies.I have not seen the nun because I
can't deal with creepy church artifact peoplethings. I can't do it. But
yeah, well, you know what'sreally funny is that the only part that

(34:44):
actually creeped me out in the AmityvilleHorror movie is that the clergy that would
come and the priest like was sweatingand got sick and was sick, and
every time he called them, becausethis is embellished by the movie to tell
them about the house, like somethingwould happen and he wouldn't be able to
talk, he wouldn't be able tobreathe and whatever. And then her like

(35:05):
aunt is a nun and she cameto just like welcome them, and she
was like I feel violently ill justwalking in, and I'm like, it's
really it's the only creepy park tome. That's the slime coming from the
wall. Nothing was creepy except forthat. Oh. Also, George tried,
or I don't know if he wassuccessful, but trademark the name Amityville

(35:29):
Horror. Oh really, no onecould use it. So that's honestly,
why everyone thinks that they made thisup or like embellished things, like maybe
things happened because you know, therecould be people that would count their house
or whatever. But they think itwas for the money, and he was
just trying to like, yeah,totally gain from all of this. He

(35:52):
knew what happened in the house,and he's like, let's buy this house
that's undermarket and let's profit. Yes, that's why they think they I mean,
it's a business thing. Also,I mean I believe that it's possible.
Maybe maybe they were haunted, notthe house, you know what I

(36:14):
mean, Like maybe the family washaunted. George and his family were haunted,
and maybe they associated it with thehouse and they profited off of that.
Not saying they're not profiting or thatthat isn't feasible, but maybe it's
just them. Since nobody after themhas had an experience, maybe it was
just them. See I knew,you guys use spiritual people would have some

(36:38):
sort of because I'm like bullshit.I mean, I like, nothing happened
to them. Probably not honestly,I mean I think ninety percent of it
is bullshit, But I do thinkthat there is that slight, small chance
that these things happen sometimes times haveI have just enough faith in it to

(37:02):
be wary of it, right,But I always think that there's a reasonable
explanation for things too. I'm nota complete crack pot. Oh I wasn't
calling you a lot of people.No, no, no, no,
I laugh about it. I laughinglysay that because we used to watch nothing
but haunted shows and ghost hunters andall sorts of weird stuff like that.

(37:27):
It was our past time. Yeah, which is an odd thing to watch
with your children. Yeah, whichis I mean, this is I say
it all the time. This isthe weirdest thing for me to get into
because I don't like horror movies atall. I can barely stand to watch
them. All I talk about isserial killers and I am probably I'm the

(37:53):
very perfect combination of I believe thatthese haunting things are possible, but I
also believe that there's reasonable explanations forthings, and not everything is supernatural.
So yeah, wow, I that'scrazy. I I really I wish they

(38:16):
we knew what the hell he wasthinking. I always think that, why
why are you going to go murderyour family just one day? Like what
sets you off? At three o'clockin the morning, that you just needed
to murder your family, you know, right, Like what? Yeah,
and so because he said he heardvoices, I think that's where they like
got the idea to do some paranormalHe heard voices to kill his fad.

(38:39):
Yeah, it's a good story,cool story, bro. So that was
the beginning of the paranormal you think, yes, it was the beginning,
but you know it's just so sadbecause I mean, like, yes,
they touch on that in the moviethat they this family was killed, but
like the whole concept of the househas nothing to do with not nothing to
do with this family being killed.But like it's not like the family is

(39:00):
haunting them. It was weird otherstuff that was happening, bad energy that
provoked the family, Yeah, tokill Yeah, I guess. Yeah.
I mean I'm not going no tothe I drove past it when I was
younger. I mean, you didn'treally have a choice though, right to

(39:24):
seven seven miles away my house offMerrick Avenue. I gotta go, guys,
And then sent me a picture ofher child. Yeah I did.
I mopped it and I was like, oh that look, this is my
where I lived when I was littleseven miles from this horrific crime scene.

(39:45):
Is that what's wrong with you?Christy? Now we know maybe you're no,
I'm joking, nothing is wrong withyou. You're perfect. But you
know Long Island is what happened?Is what's wrong with me? I will
I will totally offend all Long Islandersnow when I said that. But that's
what's wrong with me. That's what'sright with you. That could be what's

(40:10):
right with you. I mean maybe, yeah, you always have got to
flip it to the other side.Guests, can you say that word skepticism?
I'm not it. I'm here nowyou did? You said it?
Mm hmm, All right, soit is time. We're going to take

(40:31):
it to Cass for her fun factspooky fun fast. Yeah. Hi,
everyone, say let's see here.What have I got today? I so

(41:02):
mummies? Do we like mummies?Do we hate mummies? I like them?
Well they're in a lot of dirtycloths, so okay, that's true
they are. But you guys kindof know how mummies exist, right,
Like they kind of like about bythey like dry out, soft tissue.

(41:24):
Culturing decomposition. Ancient Egyptians used touse a lot of salt that kind of
stuff to dry out the mummies.Right, Okay, usually the skin was
somehow left intact. Right, whatdo we have? Okay, how do

(41:47):
I explain this? How do Ido this? Mummies have skin? Right?
We have skin? Right? Yellfollowing everyone has skin, right?
Huh? On our hands? Whatdo our hands have? On our fingers?

(42:12):
Specifically? That is unique to everyperson? Fingerprints? Yes, and
mummies in fact can keep their fingerprints. Oh really, it just dries up
and it just stays yeah, withthe pattern of it. Interesting. Yeah,
weprints from mummies from three thousand yearsago if you so wanted to.

(42:39):
Wow, that is amazing. Wecould plant their fingerprints at a scene.
Yes, yes, oh my god, we just we've just like that's a
Scooby Doo episode. Just get yourhands on a mummy hand here at the
museums all the time, just breaking. Yeah. I mean, mummies are

(43:04):
actually really interesting. Like Victorians,I think it was Victorians, they would
like grind up mummies and like useit as medicine and stuff and take pigment
like crazy crazy stuff with mummies.I'm just saying, oh, that's really
fascinating actually, just because you justwould think I don't know. I guess
I didn't realize that their skins stayedintact underneath it. I don't know why.

(43:29):
It just wasn't something that ever enteredmy mind. So that was like
leathery, like a leathery type thing. It's kind of a leathery situation and
depressed into the skull and it lookslike a mummy and it's all, you
know, weird. But yeah,is that the technical term? Yes?

(43:52):
Wow, term cass only speaks intechnical terms. Yes, yes, that
is amazing. Yeah, wow,that's a crazy too. Now she has
a new avenue for crime now mmhmm yeah, yeah, don't follow that

(44:13):
advice. People. We are notfunny. We're not because we have a
no, we have a true crimepodcast. And so people are always like,
oh, you guys could commit theperfect crime, right, do you
get that, Christy? Well no, Emory constantly says that you and I
are doing a extensive research project.That's what I'm saying. I feel like

(44:37):
other people are like, oh mygosh, you know so much about true
crime. You could totally like murdersomeone no one even know. And it's
like, guys, well why notto murder something exactly? You know why?
People get caught. That doesn't meanthat we can evade, right,
But I will say that they couldnever use our search history against us because

(44:58):
we search this crap all the time. So I could just add a different
one in there, right, likehow to steal a mummy fingers? Right?
Do you remember? I don't rememberwhat episode it was. Oh gosh,
I think it was ellen Baum episodethat we did, but where they
were giving the children an ear infection, or maybe it was the other Lady

(45:22):
Gardner, but anyways, it doesn'tmatter. And I was like searching how
to get give your child an earinfection? I was like, oh my
gosh, People's Social Service is goingto come out. Right, there is
actually a way. There's actually away that you can mummify chickens. Did

(45:42):
you guys know that? So wedid the school project when Maara was going
to a charter school. We hadto mummify a chicken like a whole friar.
Basically, we called it chicky tutand it was we mummified and wrapped
h chicken, a whole chicken.Where'd you get it from the store,

(46:04):
Just a whole bought a dead chicken? Yeah, not like a whole No,
not a whole. Yeah, likethe one that you would just go
way back. No, I can't. I could not do that to a
live thing. I'm not a picture. We're going to murder. This a
school project, it's a whole.It's a really progressive charter school. It
was four h I don't know,No, it wasn't. It was she

(46:30):
was doing like this immersion thing whereshe learned uh, Greek and Latin,
and I don't know. It wasthis weird thing. So she was interested
in Egypt. She thought she wasgoing to be an Egyptologist. So they
were like, well, what couldyou do? That would be a project
and reflect you know, something thatyou've learned from Egypt. And she mummified

(46:51):
a chicken. That's amazing, Soyou couldn't you What did she do with
it after we we threw it away? It smelled really bad. Yeah,
it smelled really bad, and Ithink it would have smelled for a while
and then eventually it just doesn't.But we was it just like on your

(47:15):
porcher. No, it was inthe kitchen. It was just in the
kitchen, in a in a bagand several ziploc bags and it's wrappings and
I mean it was wrapped with gauzeand everything. Yeah, yeah, I
was just sitting on the on thecounter for a long time. I don't

(47:36):
We lived in Sacramento at the time, so I don't know. You're a
much more supportive mom than I am. I thought it was kind of cool.
Actually, I was into it.I think I was just as into
it as she was. It was. It was kind of amazing. But
I'm just saying like nowadays, likewe don't we think that it's an ancient
thing. You could still mummify somebody. I think it could. It could

(47:58):
happen. So yeah, I'm notright to put on the search list.
That's what I want you to dowith my body. No, I am
not. Oh my gosh, nofingerprints yescause they could they could get your
fingerprints after three thousand years. Yeah, and then they can clone me and

(48:21):
then I'll live on. It'll bereally cool. I don't hate that you
should live on. I should callpeople. Yeah, like I'm of my
generation. Who else would be ableto give us fun facts? You could
be you could be the complete centurieslong person for the fun facts. Oh

(48:45):
my god. And then I canbe like, did you know, in
like twenty three we have like stuff. I don't know. That's the first
stop. That's the first thing thatcame to mind. We had stuff,
we had stop, we had TikTok, we had TikTok. It was crazy.
Yeah, you just had to bethere. And I love this mummy.

(49:15):
Have fingerprints discovered? One that has. I'm not going to say all,
but at least one had fingerprints.I believe they all did. And
I choose not to have my fingerprintslive on in infamy because you never know
what I'm going to do. Youjust end up in some British museum,

(49:37):
you know, on display with yourfingerprints. Not a bad way to go
out. I think that would beamazing. I actually love that journey.
Mm hmm. Yeah, it wouldbe a moment. It would definitely be
a moment. Yeah, I thinkthat's perfect. All right, Well thanks
for that fun fact. Yeah,of course, what else am I good

(50:00):
for? Apparently? I mean,what else do you need to be good
for? You make us all happy? Yeah, thank you. That makes
me feel warm and doing inside,which is a new feeling. You should
clone that in your fingerprint. Yes, I make sure that that gets closed.

(50:22):
I think you're going to need tohave like a last will and testament
with all of these these things,and then you're going to have to have
some specificity on how you would likeyour cloning to happen and for what purpose.
I will leave you in charge ofthat, because, honey, I'm
already going to be gone. Whydo you keep thinking I'm outliving you.

(50:43):
I'll be gone as soon as Ican be gone at a reasonable age.
I don't want to live that longreason. I don't know. Man,
you can't talk. We're gonna can'ttalk about that. She can speak of
it. We're gonna edit that out. It's fine, alright, But yeah,

(51:07):
what's my fun fact? Yeah,well thanks for that. Yeah,
of course, it's always been fun. It's always lit. Thank you so
much for joining us. You're thebest, of course. All right.

(51:31):
Well, for my horror movie,I chose something that I had never seen
or heard of before, and thiswas not my first choice. My first
choice turned out to be a completelie. It was completely fabricated, not
a real thing, and I wasI was very disappointed. But this is

(51:54):
a case from our friends down underin Australia. Yeah, talking about all
the crazy stuff down there. Thismovie is titled Wolf Creek, which was
released in two thousand and five.It also has two sequels, one of
which will be released in twenty twentyfour, and there's also a mini series

(52:15):
with the same title that I thinkhad two seasons. I have literally never
heard of it. I never heardof it either, right. The Rotten
Tomatoes rating is sitting at fifty fourpercent on the Tomato Meter and forty nine
percent in the audience score. Itwas also nominated for several awards, including

(52:37):
Best Horror Film in two thousand andfive, and it hid one three in
various categories, not that category,Wolf Creek. Wolf Creek write in this
down. So I only watched thefirst movie I it was so gory,
I just couldn't. I could barelystand it, which is again is odd

(53:01):
because of what I discuss on aweekly basis. So disclaimer, I cannot
like speak to the franchise or theminiseries or anything. This movie is based
on a serial killer from a remotearea near It's called Bella Lang bell Aglow,

(53:22):
bell Aglow State Forest in New SouthWales, Australia, and of course
the movie takes a complete like divertfrom what happened to you know, from
what actually happened to make it alittle more interesting this story, though the
cases are completely just equally as gory. One of the descriptions I read liken

(53:46):
it to quote the Texas chainsaw massacreset in the outback end quote, and
I think that's actually perfect. Sorow. Yeah, in this movie,
there are three friends that set outinto National Park to backpack into view a
crater that's in from like a meteorthat's in the outback. And the friends

(54:09):
get out to this crater, theysee this amazing, you know, phenomena,
and they're they're just high on life. It's just it's great. And
then unfortunately, when they get backto their car that was a very hasty
purchase just for this trip, itwon't start. So they make camp in
their car for the night and theyhope that they're going to find some help

(54:30):
the next day. And in themiddle of the night they are come upon
by a seemingly angel of mercy.His name is Mick Taylor. He offers
to take them back to his home, which I will add is part of
an abandoned mind shaft or something,and then he helps them out, you
know, so he's going to helpthem out so they can get back into

(54:52):
civilization and of course, this iswhere it all goes south for our friends.
They are drugged, one of themis tortured before being killed, another
escapes but is found and killed,and the third is the lone survivor after
being nailed to a crucifix in themind shaft. Oh what Yeah, our

(55:16):
psychopathic killer Mick Taylor is never caughtand brought to justice in this first movie,
and apparently, since they're making athird that's coming out, he has
still not been caught. Okay,yeah. In real life, the movies
are based off of convicted serial killerIvan Malatt, who was nicknamed the Backpacker

(55:37):
Murderer by the press. Malatt wasfound to be responsible for the deaths of
seven people, two men and fivewomen. Yeah, from nineteen eighty nine
to nineteen ninety two. He isnever admitted to any of the crimes that
he was convicted of, so onSeptember nineteenth, nineteen ninety two, the

(55:58):
first victims found were Joanna Whiles andCaroline Clark, ages twenty two and twenty
one, respectively. They were foundby two runners taking part in something called
orienteering so fun fact, have youguys ever heard of this orienteering? Okay,
I couldn't figure out what the heckthis was. So the basic definition

(56:21):
is the sport of navigation using ahighly detailed map. So basically you're given
a starting point, a map thatwill get you it's a topographical map,
and you get a compass and thismap and whatever supplies you need and you
take off to find the next checkin point that will have your next map.

(56:42):
And it's a sport. So it'sa it's a marathon kind of thing,
the Amazing race, I mean basicallythe Amazing Race, but you could
die. Yeah, like right,what you could die? Not as funger
games and the amazing Hunger Games meetsthe Amazing Race. Yes, but it
is a thing. It's a sport. So it's called orienteering. I thought

(57:04):
it was an Australian made up word. It's not. So law enforcement comes
in, they do a sweep ofthe area after these two runners, you
know, report that they've found thesebodies. They don't find anything else at
this time that would lead to othervictims. Both victims had to be identified
using their dental records. These werethe last known victims, but they were

(57:30):
the first found before Malat was caught. These ladies were visiting from Britain,
and they had been backpacking together throughAustralia and had last been seen on Hume
Highway getting directions to go to Victoria. They wanted to go berry picking.
Of all of the wholesome things todo. Yeah, yes, go get

(57:52):
ferries. Their bodies were found withinone hundred feet of one another in the
Bolango Forests. It was believed thatCaroline was used as target practice, as
she was shot ten times in thehead with precision ten times ten times.

(58:14):
Joanne was tortured, having been stabbedfifteen times. My goodness, gracious.
In October of nineteen ninety three.The next two victims were found in the
same National forest when a local wasgathering firewood. Deborah Everest nineteen and James
Gibson nineteen where a young couple whohad been missing since December of nineteen eighty

(58:36):
nine. They both had been brutallykilled in a similar manner as Joanne Walters.
So James was stabbed eight times,one of which would have rendered him
paralyzed while still alive. Other stabspunctured his heart and his lungs, which
would have been what killed him.Deborah had been stabbed once in her back,

(58:58):
but her cause of death was seemedto be from skull fractures. There
were stab marks on her forehead,but her skull was cracked in multiple areas.
Her jaw was broken and completely dislocated. It was brutal. My goodness.
Yeah. Authorities thought it was reallyodd to find the bodies there in

(59:21):
this area, as a camera anda backpack belonging to James had been found
in an area about seventy files fivemiles north of where the National Forest is
right after they disappeared in nineteen eightynine. So they found these items but
had no trace of them until fouryears later. The last victims found were

(59:45):
in November of nineteen ninety three.During a police sweep of the forest along
like fire like fire brush sweeping toso that you know, they could alleviate
fire issues. Three victims were foundin close range together. They were all,

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oh, are you guys still there? Okay, So three victims were
found in very close range together.All of them were from Germany. However,
they were not all connected to oneanother. So one victim was And
I apologize for these names. Ilistened to them on Google to try to

(01:00:29):
pronounce them. I'm gonna have ahard time. So the first victim was
Simone schmidtl aged twenty one. Shehad been reported missing after last being seen
in Sydney in January of nineteen ninetyone. She unfortunately, it was found
to have been tortured just like theother victims, and she was repeatedly stabbed,

(01:00:49):
almost exactly like James Gibson had beenbeing stabbed once in the spine and
paralyzed and then other stabs. Inthe shellow, they found clothing that were
not hers, which quickly led themto finding two more victims just three days
later on November fourth, and thiswas gabber Neujegauer, age twenty one,

(01:01:16):
and his girlfriend Anja hash Habsheide habsheed, Wow, I know those are some
names they are, and I feelbad because I'm sure they're beautiful and I'm
saying them horribly. She is agedtwenty when she was killed. They were
found feet away and another shallow grave, So these are almost twelve months apart

(01:01:37):
these murders took place. So hedefinitely was a person who went back to
his safe spot. Basically he wasable to dump and not fear of being
found. So this couple had beenbackpacking and they were last seen at King's
crossed hostel in December of nineteen ninetyone, which the two ladies from Britain

(01:02:00):
also had been seen in that samehostel or nearby it. There was a
connection there. Both were killed inthe same way as the others. So
Gabor had been shot in the headsix times, while Ango was stabbed and
actually decapitated. Her head was neverrecovered. Oh my gosh, where is

(01:02:25):
it? Yeah, I mean it'sright. Who knows? It's the outback?
God only knows. Oh ingles thetinkos. So how was Melat brought
to justice? You might be askingat this point. So news was spread
fire and wide, and in Novemberof nineteen ninety three, a United Kingdom

(01:02:49):
resident contacted police in New South Walesthat he may have escaped the killer that
they were looking for in January ofnineteen ninety while he had been in the
area backpacking. So Paul Onions relatedthat he had made a police report about
this attempted kidnapping. While he wasin the area, he was picked up
by a man who gave his nameas Bill, and Paul was just hitchhiking

(01:03:15):
getting to the next place. Thecar ride was short lived, as so
Bill pulled a revolver on him andbasically was going to kill him. Had
rope and the revolver was going totake him to a location and kill him.
Paul was able to get out ofthe car while it was moving.

(01:03:35):
He jumped and ran off on HumeHighway and he was picked up by another
driver and she was able to helphim get to safety and he was able
to make this report to the police. Wow. Yeah, So after the
original report was found in police recordsand they verified that what he was saying

(01:03:58):
was true, all flew down tohelp identify this mysterious bill and eventually all
the evidence and Paul's statement of theevents that you know happened in nineteen ninety
led to the arrest of Malat onMay twenty second, nineteen ninety four,
and he pleaded not guilty, buthe was convicted by a jury of all
seven murders and the attempted murder andfalse imprisonment of Paul onions. He was

(01:04:24):
sentenced to seven life terms for themurders and twelve years for the attempted murder
and imprisonment charges. So there's alot that I there's so much more to
the story, Like it's there's aprior criminal history. There's some family involvement,
and he there is just a lotthat I couldn't include because we're you

(01:04:46):
know, we don't have two hoursfor each of our cases here. Yeah,
that's what I was thinking the wholetime, like, there's got to
be so much more to this backstory. There really is. Yeah, it's
it is crazy, so weird coincidence, I guess you want to call it.
He passed away on of all days, October twenty seventh, twenty nineteen,

(01:05:09):
which is exactly four years ago tothe day that this recording is being
released. Wow. Yeah, Oh, I love when that's kind of stuff
happens. So he never admitted toany of this. He went to the
grave silent. He would not discussit. There are other unsolved cases that,

(01:05:32):
I mean, several unsolved cases fromthis same area that kind of fit
them that they could not tie tohim, you know, with any any
large amount of evidence. He wouldnot even speak about it. He just
would not. Yeah. Wow.He is considered one of Australia's most prolific

(01:05:56):
serial killers and thought to be responsiblefor like twenty ish or more possible murders.
Wow. Well that's a lot.No, thank you, There was
a statistic at the beginning of themovie that stated thirty thousand people are reported
missing in Australia every year. Ninetypercent are found within the first month of

(01:06:18):
their disappearance, so ten percent gounfound or found years later, months later.
Wow. Yeah, so who knows. You guys may get this in
a future episode somewhere down the line, because there was a lot there is
also I hope so because I reallywant to know the actually do have a

(01:06:43):
lot of Australian listeners. Yes,yeah, there is also another person,
Bradley Murdoch, who committed a similarcrime in two thousand and one and was
on trial for the murder of thisperson that he you know, has disappeared
while this movie was being filmed inthe area and it caused quite a lot

(01:07:04):
of heartache for a lot of youknow, the victims' families because they and
and specifically the one victim of murdochsbecause they thought that they were making a
movie of his murder had it wasnot even him. But he's considered a
copycat. Oh yeah, so he'sa copycat of And like I said,

(01:07:29):
there's just so much with my lot. His family also went on to do
some copycat stuff. It's crazy.There's just there's this whole rabbit hole.
So yeah, gosh, wow,that's interesting. I'm so curious. I'm
literally like, oh man, Ireally wish I knew all the other stuff.
There's a lot of background. Yeah, and I was like, how

(01:07:51):
much could I enter it? Likecould I present? And I'm like,
yeah, not even half of thiscan make it it really honestly, So
I chose to focus on the victimsinstead of the prior history with that,
with the time that I have,right, yeah, it's crazy. So,

(01:08:14):
yeah, that is crazy. I'mcurious to know what else they could
do in these movies. I don'tknow obviously something because I know now I'm
I really want to watch the movieand I kind of want to watch the
series. Well then, I don'tknow about the series. I know the
first movie is just on Prime Videofor free, so you don't even have
to pay to watch it. Idon't know about the second one, but

(01:08:36):
I know the first one is goodto know. Yeah, that's what I
will be doing tomorrow. You havefun with that, because I I was
pretty I was pretty grossed out.Yeah, it's spooky season. It is
spooky season. I'm I just wantto I stick to my usuals. I

(01:08:59):
have a few movies that I canwatch, Scream being one of them.
That's about it. Oh well that'sgood. Yep, Well spoiler because because
well, for me, Scream isjust fake. Yeah, it always has

(01:09:24):
been to me until now till Monday. So until Monday, till Monday and
then it becomes real, right whichtimes this sin? So we're gonna wrap
up our episode here, but rememberthere's a part two. Don't miss out
on Beth and Bryce discussing their chosenmovies on Crimes and Closets feed. That

(01:09:45):
episode is going to drop on Monday, October thirtieth, one day before Halloween.
And if you are not following ourfriends Beth and Christy, I don't
know what the hell's wrong with you. Get to go in. You don't
want to miss a special episode oranything else from these lates. So how
can we find you, ladies?Everywhere? On Instagram Crimes and Closets,

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Instagram Crimes and Closets, Facebook Crimesand Closets, podcast, all the things.
YouTube, Oh yeah, YouTube tube. You're on the tubes. Yep.
Anywhere you guys find us, youcan find them. We're happy to
have you. Thank you so much. Welcome yea stay out of the wood
and stay stay out of the woodsand in your closets. Yes, yes,

(01:10:34):
it is spooky season. We needa body to be safe and fun
for Halloween. And like you guysalways say, the world is scary people
suck hide in your closets and stayout of the damn what all right?
Thanks everybody, Bye,

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