January 3, 2025 • 50 mins
Hello, campers! Get ready for this week's episode to ring in the new year! We hope everyone had a fun and safe start to 2025. We can’t wait to see what’s in store!
This week takes us back almost a century to a case from Long Island, New York. In 1935, Ada Appelgate passed away from a mysterious illness after suffering from heart and health issues for years. The 38-year-old wife and mother were almost laid to rest until some anonymous information made its way to police. What ensued after the inquiry into her death is unexpected.
Join us for this week's episode on one of Jess’s favorite categories to research -old-timey crime.
Links from this week's episode:
The Murderpedia info on Mary Frances Creighton
https://murderpedia.org/female.C/c/creighton-mary-frances.htm
A look at the crime from a writer's perspective
https://mainecrimewriters.com/2016/12/13/the-real-eggnog-murder/
News report on the sensational crime
https://www.nydailynews.com/2008/04/16/the-long-island-borgia/
Information on Sing Sing
https://www.singsingprisonmuseum.org/history-of-sing-sing-prison.html
Old recipe for Eggnog
https://ahundredyearsago.com/2020/12/20/old-fashioned-eggnog/
This week takes us back almost a century to a case from Long Island, New York. In 1935, Ada Appelgate passed away from a mysterious illness after suffering from heart and health issues for years. The 38-year-old wife and mother were almost laid to rest until some anonymous information made its way to police. What ensued after the inquiry into her death is unexpected.
Join us for this week's episode on one of Jess’s favorite categories to research -old-timey crime.
Links from this week's episode:
The Murderpedia info on Mary Frances Creighton
https://murderpedia.org/female.C/c/creighton-mary-frances.htm
A look at the crime from a writer's perspective
https://mainecrimewriters.com/2016/12/13/the-real-eggnog-murder/
News report on the sensational crime
https://www.nydailynews.com/2008/04/16/the-long-island-borgia/
Information on Sing Sing
https://www.singsingprisonmuseum.org/history-of-sing-sing-prison.html
Old recipe for Eggnog
https://ahundredyearsago.com/2020/12/20/old-fashioned-eggnog/
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What Happens in the Woods is a true crime podcast.
We discuss events that are often violent in nature. Listeners,
discretion is advised. Happy Friday, and welcome back to What
(00:32):
Happens in the Woods. Happy New Year, right, Happy new year.
Thank you for taking the time to join us for
this episode. And we hope that the holidays have treated
you all well. That nonsense is behind us, we can
move forward. Nonsense, nonsense.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's the joyous time of year.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
You know, every year it gets less and less joyous. What. No,
it's fine, relaxing, enjoying family time. That's right, it's all good.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
It's all about family.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yes, hopefully everybody was able to enjoy the holidays and
just take time to slow down. I feel like it's
always a rush.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, So it's a new year. We've got a new
case to discuss. Oh, yes, before we get into that,
do you have any updates? No? Okay, just asking just
checking in. It's it is, yes, sir, yes, sir, it is.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't know what's all I got?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Okay, thank you, thank you for your participation.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh you're uncle.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
All right? You ready, I'm ready we get into it.
So I had to do it. I had to find
an timey murder at least one, at least one this season,
and I have found one that the fun. Yeah, there's
a possibility that there might be another one coming. But
(02:14):
I have a book to read, which in itself is
not an issue. But you know, there are several books
that are on my TVR right now that have nothing
to do with true crime, and there's one that is,
you know, releasing this month. That's a big deal for me. Yeah.
(02:37):
And it's my fault, and it is all your fault.
It is all your fault. I might have gotten around
to reading this series if you hadn't found it first,
but I was kind of putting it off. Yeah, and no,
I'm we're not discussing books. So there's a possibility that
(03:00):
it'll make it in if I can find the time
to read this book. Yeah yeah, but this one this case.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Why it takes you like a day to read anything.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah. But if I'm taking notes, it's a little bit different.
Oh yeah, you know, if I'm like, you know, annotating.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And I don't think you guys understand my wife hairs
through books.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, it's an issue. It's a problem, not a problem.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
It was just it's fast, like she's been waiting like
months for this book, and then she'll probably get done
with it like eight hours, and you won't see her
for the whole time.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I maybe. So when the last Harry Potter book came out,
I think everybody knows how thick that book was. It's
like thirteen undid pages, that's maybe however many pages. It's
a thick book it was. It was a big book.
I stayed up. We got it in the evening, and
I stayed up read it all night, and I was
(03:57):
done by like four o'clock in the morning. Because I
once I start on that kind of stuff, I just
can't stop. But then I have to read in between
these big books. So I got the Kindle app, the
Kindle Unlimited. This is probably way too much nobody wants
to know, but the Kindle Unlimited app, if you are
(04:20):
a reader and you read quickly, is well worth the price,
because I think it's maybe like fifteen bucks a month
and you can go through their library and you can
basically check out books for free.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And just has finished the whole library and no damn
near close.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
But I found I found, you know, cutesy little murder
mystery series that I'm reading, and you can also get
like the magazines like the Better Homes and Gardens magazine,
you can get them digitally. So it's not sponsored price, No,
(05:04):
not sponsored. But if anybody's a reader, I highly I
highly recommend because there's a lot of things, like I
read a pretty popular series. I think most of the
books were on there or like included in the Kindle
app price, the unlimited price. Anyways, there is a book
(05:25):
to read, and I did find the book on the
Kindle Unlimited app. Again not sponsored coincidence, but I will
I will be checking it out. So but we're not
there yet. We're discussing this one, all right, let's discuss. Okay,
we're going to discuss it's it could be quite easily
(05:46):
the most outlandish old timey murder we've discussed. It's right
up there. Wait. Yeah, so let me take you back
to Long Island, New York, New YUK. That was bad.
That was bad. Christie, if you're listening, don't don't know judge,
(06:07):
don't judge me. So we're going back to Long Island,
New York. Long Island, New York circa nineteen thirty five.
There are a few key players to the story, so
good luck in keeping up. No, I'm just joking. It
shouldn't be too bad. So first we have Mary Francis
(06:32):
and her husband John Crichton, who have relocated to a
small town of Baldwin from New Jersey with their two children,
Ruth and John Junior. And while living there they made
friends with next door neighbors Everett and Ada Applegate. They
had a daughter, Agnes, who was in a similar age
(06:54):
range of the Crichton children, so they were all very
early preteen to early teen, so you know, ranges about
twelve to fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. The problem is every article
has these kids listed at different ages. So in one article,
(07:16):
and it could be because it spans a few months
between nineteen thirty five and nineteen thirty six, that's always
an issue, but that also doesn't account for like in
one article from nineteen thirty six, Ruth is fifteen and
another article that you know came out months afterwards, she
(07:37):
was fifteen. So it's just like she's fourteen, she's fifteen,
she's sixteen. Do we really know? I. I don't have
birth records.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So mine not.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Well, you know that's what it's like. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
So John and Everett were both that terans from the
First World War and they were members of the American Legion.
And so these two guys hit it off really well. O.
They bonded over the war trauma. I mean, World War
(08:12):
One was a lot and they're in the depression. So
this is this is right in the middle of the depression.
Things were very rough for most people. While Everett was working,
he was not getting paid, you know, the most. So
(08:32):
it was decided that in order to help, you know,
pool the resources, these two families would move into the
Creighton home. From what I can gather, it was a
two maybe a three bedroom home. At one point it
was described as a bungalow, which is definitely a small,
you know, maybe two bedroom one back home. But it
did have an attic. Not really ideal for, you know,
(08:56):
two families trying to combine households together, but as they say,
needs must and they made do. And that's just that
from what I can infer. While the men were family,
their wives were also friends. At one point they're described
as best friends.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
John and Mary Francis seemed to have a very typical
relationship of the time. They weren't necessarily like in love.
It wasn't a grand love story per se, but they
maybe had a healthy respect for one another. They were
you know, it was it was common of that time.
You married for practicality, necessity, it was expected, it was
(09:39):
a good match, financially, families joining, whatever the case. That
was still very common during this time period. Yeah, the
Apple Gates were a different story. Everett was described in
one article as quote unquote hintpackt, which is a very
(10:01):
old fashioned term. So when when defined, it means browbeaten
or bullied. So women, especially probably New England, but mostly
like English British hin refers to women kind of flighty,
(10:25):
kind of you know whatever. It's not necessarily a good term,
but if you if you've watched older movies or watched
old British sitcoms, which I have, it's it's a term.
So instead of like saying a bachelorette party, they would
(10:45):
say a hin party. So it's just it's a term.
So hind packed means that the woman is constantly beating
you down, essentially, so.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Talk picked.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I don't I don't know, sir, I don't know cock picked.
I mean maybe maybe who's to say, maybe you've just
coined a new term.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's old timey, it's past, it is past.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Now, it is in the past. So this wife was
just described as as she's a little harsh, a little harsh.
There were constant fights between them, and Aida was accusing
him quite frequently of being off, you know, with other women. Now,
(11:46):
Ada Applegate was not a well woman. There are reports
that she had health issues, She had a bad heart.
She was also a rager, rather large woman. She was
not in good shape. She spent a lot of her
time in bed, not feeling good. And not to excuse
spousal abuse in any way, but I'm sure when you're
(12:11):
not feeling good, you're not in the best attitude, you
don't have the best you know, demeanor poor or poor
with your husband, you know. Yeah, so she probably was
just grouchy. I mean, she's she didn't feel good, she's grouchy,
and she was like, you know, dude, what are you doing?
(12:32):
I don't know, no defense, no defense, but I can
see it. Yeah, and you know, let's face it, and
these times, nobody got divorced. People you stayed married, yea
until somebody died. And in early September of nineteen thirty five,
Ada began to complain of feeling worse, and with Everett
(12:56):
by her side, she made a trip to the local
hospital around September twenty third. However, nothing could be pinpointed
as as wrong. She does have these other com bordities.
Come more. Is that the word No, I'm not going
to try to say that word co morbidities. I got it.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yes, I know what you meant.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yep. So she sent home. They don't know what to
do for and just days later, on September twenty seventh,
in nineteen thirty five, she would be dead. Really yes,
and just like that it was suspected it was pneumonia,
(13:36):
which raised no suspicions in the death. She's an unhealthy woman.
She got sick. They couldn't figure it out, so they
proceeded with burial and funeral plans that were made, you know,
quickly enough. They really just didn't mess around. But then
there were anonymous news clippings from a decade prior that
(14:00):
were mailed to local police that changed everything, and quite dramatically.
On the day of Ada's service, They're about to put
this woman into the ground. Authorities show up to her
funeral and they take her body. They say, nope, we've
got to do some testing. Uh oh, based off of
(14:22):
what was in these newspaper articles, it was a very
real possibility that missus Ada Applegate had been poisoned. No, no, no, So,
based on the little info that I have provided for you,
who do you pin as a suspect?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Mmm?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Could be the weary husband, possibly another woman from an affair,
one of the other members of the household they're all
living in.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Maybe yeah, one of the other members of the household. Yeah, yeah, okay,
because the poison wasn't intended for her, it was for
someone else, but she kept eating it because she's a.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
This is what.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
A very large woman.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Okay, I don't know. I don't know that that has
anything to do with it. Good guess. So these newspaper
articles that had been mailed to the police anonymously were
related to Mary Francis Crichton.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Several members of her family, possibly even family pets, had
died from arsenic poisoning.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Mary Francis was implicated in at least three deaths officially,
and even went to trial for two, but she was
never convicted of any crimes. Why is that I get
to that?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
In nineteen twenty three, both John and Mary Francis were
arrested and charged in the death of her brother, Raymond Avery.
So Raymond was just eighteen years old. This is her
younger brother. He had inherited a trust and also had
a life insurance policy in which Mary Francis was named
as the beneficiary, and being that he was a young man,
(16:12):
he was relatively healthy. His death was looked into and
it was found that there was a lethal amount of
arsenic poisoning poison in his system. So it did go
to trial and they both were acquitted of those charges
as no one could claim to have seen her put
the poison in any of his food or drink. Okay,
(16:36):
She was also pregnant and due to give birth at
any time with the couple's second child at this time,
and it was unfavorable to have an expectant mother in
jail for mother murder. Yes, so they were acquitted of
those charges. That same year, investigators were left in a
(16:58):
conundrum as John's parents both died, so her mother in
law father in law both died and it was found
that they also had arsenic in their system. The amounts
were lethal, they were not the same amounts though, so
the father in law had more in his system than
(17:21):
the mother in law, which for some reason seemed to
baffle the authorities. They only charged her with the murder
of the father in law. Okay, and only her this time,
but because of the discrepancy, it caused the jury to
(17:41):
also acquit her.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Wait, what was the descrepancy?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Just the amount of poison in the system. They figured
if she had poisoned them both, she would have done
the same amount, so it was assumed that they had
just ingested the poison. Accidentally. I'm not sure about that
line of things.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I was going to say that logic doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Not quite. It is, you know, in the nineteen twenties though.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Okay, if she was guilty, they would have both had
the same amount. What if she just fed off her husband? Oh,
because it would have been the same levels. How does
it get smaller?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Right? I mean, maybe one was placing at one time. Yeah, oh,
I guess I can see what the thought was. But
there are variables here at play that. I mean, maybe
one ingested it sooner than the other. Maybe she knew
(18:51):
enough to know that the father in law was going
to need a higher dose than the mother in law.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I don't know. You know, there's I don't know how
arsenic works.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I mean, it's you. You already have some naturally in
your body.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I don't mean apples. Okay, oh that's cyanaid. That's I
don't know where arsenic comes from.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
It's it's typically a rat poison.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Oh yeah, that shouldn't even be near cooking ingredients.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
No, no, it shouldn't. It shouldn't, but it somehow does
end up killing people. So after all of this notoriety
in New Jersey, Mary Francis and her husband John moved
to New York, to Long Island to try to, you know,
(19:43):
put this behind them. They they were infamous now. But
somehow someone was well aware of the past that these
two were running from. And and there are rumors that
it was in aggrieved red delivery man that Mary Francis
was giving a hard time she didn't tip well, and
(20:04):
he was like, you know what, I know you, I
got you, I know what you've been doing. I know
what you did last summer, and now the police do too.
My I have to laugh, though, what was he? Where
did he go find these newspaper clippings? They were from
ten years previous.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
They probably kept them. He was such an asshole. And
it's not like that, you know what I mean? Like
how many times you found stacks of papers in old
people's homes?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Oh a lot.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It's that was their old TiVo.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
To replay it. That's a good analogy, though.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
It was like to find stacks of papers nobody and
during the depression, like they would keep that stuff. Everything
got reused.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, no, everything got reused. And it just it's I
find it funny. There there must have been some common
thread there. She they were in New Jersey when that happened.
How did how did it make it to Long Island?
Was it that big of enough of a case that
it was reported over different states? In the air? I mean,
(21:13):
I know they're they're not necessarily far from one another,
but and why did he keep them or how did
he go back and find them? Just it's it. I'm
curious as to that. But there's I could not find
how he knew or where he got that from, where
he got those clippings from? But he really I mean grudge,
(21:39):
It was really a grudge. Yeah, it was, I mean
over over tipping in prices of bread. Be careful who
you piss off.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
It's just that you don't know who you piss off.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Sometimes, No you don't. But I mean, if you're going
to fight with somebody over the price of bread, it's
the depression. Also, so I'm everybody was haggling, but I
don't know. It just turned him the wrong way. He
was not happy with her.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yes, I mean you can't. You never know what's gonna
flip someone's switch. Very true, grind my.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Geas if you're running from a pass though, you should
be trying to not piss off anybody.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, well she probably thought she was safe. I was acquitted.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I mean, yeah, she obviously did. So we are not
done with this tail of course, not yeah or a
to aplgate his diet of unnatural causes and the evidence
points to one logical suspect or does it never does no,
and all will be revealed after this break Boo, welcome back.
(22:50):
When we left off, I had just disclosed I just
dropped this bomb that Mary Francis and John Crichton had
a little bit of a sordid pass that caught up
to them when Ada Applegate passed away in the fall
of nineteen thirty five. But there is so much more
to this story do tell When the autopsy report came back.
(23:12):
It showed that there was three times a lethal dose
of arsenic in Ada's system, So typically she had eleven
grams in her system and three would be enough to
(23:33):
kill somebody. Yeah, so this was no accident. Definitely was
not pneumonia.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Could have been an accident. My size built it in here.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, no, based on previous criminal suspicion, Mary Francis was arrested.
Police interrogated her for hours and the story she weaved
is incredible, It's crazy. So you see Mary Francis quickly
(24:04):
caved under the pressure being interrogated and of course implicated
AIDA's husband Everett in her death. Wow, there had been
supposedly a sexual relationship between Mary Francis and Everett. No surprise, right,
this kind of stuff is that's what you would expect.
(24:26):
Now what you might not expect, as there was also
a relationship with Ruth Brighton and Everett. Remember Ruth, No,
she's maybe about fifteen, sixteen years old. Now it gets
worse as it's mentioned that Everett and AIDA's daughter Agnes,
who I believe at this time was thirteen or fourteen
(24:47):
at the time, was also involved.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
What the hell?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
And last, but not least, Ada herself possibly participated or
at least had knowledge of all of this. The only
people who seemed to not be involved is John and
John Junior.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Are you sure?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I have no idea?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
At this point?
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It comes out in this confession from Mary Francis that
due to the limited ability availability on beds in the
Kriton house, that there were many times when Ruth, Agnes
and Everett would share a bed. There were many times
when Ruth Francis and Everett would share a bed. There
were also times when Ruth, Everett, and Ada shared a bed,
(25:35):
and Mary Francis is very clear on what was going on.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It wasn't sleep, doesn't sound like it.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
According to Mary Francis, she had to get rid of
Aida to make way for her daughter Ruth to marry
Everett if she were to become pregnant. So in her
head she was like, I gotta eliminate the wife because
all this is going on. What are we going to
do if she becomes pregnant? Yeah, it never occurred to
anybody that maybe just stop fucking stop sleeping around.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Or make different sleeping arrangements, right, Like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
She confesses to poisoning Ada's nightly egg nog drink with
a commercial product called rough on Rats.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Not laughing, it was just like the name of that
poison rough on Rats.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
No, that's I mean, but that I did kind of chuckle.
It's also very on point for nineteen you know, early
turn of the nineteenth century or twenty Yeah, but early
turn of the nineteen hundred's to the names that they
had of products were just yeah. But then the story
(26:44):
changed and it was all everet. He was the one,
for you know, responsible for poisoning his wife. He was
the one that put her, Mary Frances, up to it.
She then also claimed that she had never been intimate
and it was only daughter Ruth and Everett that we're
carrying on. So at that point her and Agnes were
(27:06):
not part of it. Ada not a part of it.
It was just Ruth an Everett.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Police had no actual evidence other than the suspicion of
you know, previous criminal activity that they got from the newspaper.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Clippings anonymously anonymously fucking.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Bred man, and then the toxicology report obviously showed that
Ada had been poisoned. I agree that linking two and two,
you know, two and two makes four in this case,
I agree that there's a link there, but they quickly
(27:51):
brought in Everett applegate in on a charge of statutory rape. Again,
two and two probably equals four. Here I he admitted,
he admits that he and Ruth had a quote unquote relationship,
and I say that in quotes. That's what he called it.
I would not ever refer to the grooming and abuse
(28:13):
of a sixteen year old by a thirty eight year
old man a relationship. Let's just let me be clear
on that, that is what he referred to it. As
police proceeded to arrest both Mary Francis and Everett for
the murder of Ada, and a trial was quickly set
and began January twelfth of nineteen thirty six for the pair.
(28:37):
Everett's lawyer tried to get the murder charges thrown out
as there was no actual evidence that he was involved,
but the judge would not hear of dismissing the charges,
so his lawyer was trying to focus solely on the
statutory rape, not the murder. When Everett took to the stand,
he denied any wrongdoing in the death of his wife. However,
(28:59):
he admitted to the illicit sexual relationship with Ruth, claiming
he only had sex with her when in the presence
of his wife Ada. Now Ada is dead, she can't talk. No,
who's to say.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Unless we do a salund.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
A seance where using Ouiji board. I don't think it
was I think seance is worth a thing. When Mary
Francis took the stand, she of course proclaimed her innocence
and again blamed everything on Everett, but under cross examination,
the attorney pressed her on the inconsistencies of her story.
(29:35):
It was then, under the pressure that she admitted to
taking the glass of milk to Ada, knowing full well, yeah, eggnog,
knowing full well that he already.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Got me confused with all these names. Now I got
to get the stuff straight.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Come on, say eggnag, it's basically milk, and I will
get to that, knowing full well that it contained the
rat poison. So she acknowledges that she knows the poison
in the cup and took it to Ada and the man.
The attorney says, you knowingly took that to your best friend,
and she says yes. I would say that. I hope
(30:15):
in today's you know, criminal justice world, that they would
have been able to find more evidence, even circumstantial. In
this case, I think that would have led to one
or both of these jackasses. But I don't think there
would have been a fiction necessarily in today's you know,
proceedings for either of them. If this is how it went.
(30:37):
I can't see that they would have been convicted or
even arrests for that matter, because there really was very circumstantial,
nonlinkable evidence as to who did this and what happened.
It's even a guess that it was in the eggnog.
(30:57):
There's really nothing hard. And I'm not saying that because
I don't think that they're responsible. Given Mary Francis's history
and you know, her obvious poison of choice being arsenic, Yeah,
and this disgusting treatment of her young daughter, I have
(31:20):
no doubt that they would be capable of murdering Ada.
But this is nineteen thirty six, Yeah, and it wasn't
about evidence necessarily at the time. Both Mary Francis Crichton
and Everett Applegate were found guilty of first degree murder
on January twenty fifth, nineteen thirty six. So I mean,
two week trial and they're going to the electric chair baby,
(31:47):
oh wow. Yeah, but that Paldy they were sent to
sing sing, which is I think we've all heard of it.
I mean there's been books, there's been movies, there's there's
been a lot of talk. It's a very notorious prison. Yeah,
to await their executions. Both of course, appealed the judgments,
(32:11):
and they were so confident that they were going to
win these appeals. I mean, she had already gotten away
with murder supposedly three times. Yeah, maybe even more than that.
Maybe she knew the formula, maybe she just she she
made statements that you know, just wait, this won't hold up.
I'll be out of here. It's all good. And Everett
(32:35):
was also hopeful that, you know, while he admitted to
the sexual abuse, you know, he would never have killed
his wife is his thing. I you know, never would
have killed my wife. I wasn't involved at all. They
were sorely mistaken. All appeals were denied, and they both
(33:00):
were set to be executed on July sixteenth of nineteen
thirty six. They did not mess around. I mean, you
didn't get yeared like people sit on death row now
for years going through appeals. This was not happening.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, I mean, speedy trial and all of it.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, jeez, yeah, it was after the appeals were denied
that Mary Francis seemed to have a mental breakdown. So
at the time of her arrest and the charges being
made the trial, she was evaluated and she was like
perfectly evaluated to be perfectly competent to stand trial. She
(33:44):
was fine going into prison, She had high hopes, and
then as soon as the appeals were denied, she just
seemed to lose her shit.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Well I would too, you know, you're going to go
to the electric chair. Yeah, but she'd gotten away with
it before before. Yeah, she was just like, yeah, I
think Calestan.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah. So she was found competent to be executed by
old Sparky as the electric chair was referred to.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Just days before her time was set to be put
to death, she showed signs of hysteria. She claimed to
be paralyzed from the waist down and extreme pain. She
was crying and sobbing. When others tried to interact with her,
they could rarely get her to leave her cell or
to eat. She just completely broke down.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
The day before the execution took place, she converted to Catholicism. Yeah,
and the priest asked if there was anything she would
like to make known to the public. Mary Francis's reply
was to claim that she was innocent, but that quote
I was a good wife and mother, and whatever I did,
I did for him and the children. I hope they
(35:01):
will have a better life than I did. Quote I
take some I just I have a little bit of
a problem saying you're a good mother when you're fifteen
sixteen year old is in a quote unquote relationship with
the thirty eight year old man, But okay. On the
(35:24):
evening of July sixteenth, just hours before the execution, the
judge allowed the family to have one last visit with
Mary Francis and Everett. Everett's father and stepmother were there,
as well as his daughter, Agnes. John Ruth, and John
Junior also came to see Mary Francis. Agnes and Ruth
reportedly waited in the visitors area eating hamburgers, and upon leaving,
(35:48):
John Crichton was understandably upset and reportedly threatened to stab
any reporters that tried to speak with him. Throughout this
whole thing, he claims that he had no idea of
any of this going on. He had no idea that
there was any type of incestuous relationships there was. He
just claims he had no knowledge of any of it,
(36:09):
and he's just lord and devastated. At eleven PM, a
reportedly comatose Mary Francis was wheeled into the execution chamber
and placed in the chair. It was stated that a
physician had been dosing her up with morphine, so she
(36:29):
was not awake. She was very doped. Her life was
ended by electrocution at eleven oz four PM, directly after
her body was cooled enough. And that's a horrible sentence
to say. After they were able to remove her body,
(36:49):
Everett was ushered into the same chamber, I mean minutes,
placed in the same chair. His last words were quote,
before God, gentleman, I'm absolutely innocent of this crime, and
I hope the Good God will have mercy on the
soul of Martin W. Littleton. That was the judge who
(37:11):
sentenced them. And this was in front of twenty three
gentlemen witnesses. Twenty three men had to watch them. And
there's no information on life after these executions for the
(37:33):
rest of the family that survived. Really nope, and you
think about it, Agnes is now parentless. Yeah, her life
has been destroyed. She's maybe thirteen, fourteen years old. The
notoriety of all of this, I'm sure making the papers.
(37:57):
Mary Francis was only the third woman in the history
of sing sing to be electrocuted.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Like, he didn't say, like where she went afterwards, it's
just like, ye, the story.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
No, yeah, there's nothing.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
That sucks. She didn't go to like relatives.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I don't know, No, yeah, I don't know. I would hope.
I would hope his father and stepmother.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
An orphany were there.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, that would have been rough though. I mean really,
there's no saying she ended up in a good place,
which is really sad, you know, losing your mother that
way and then your father being electrocuted. Yeah, and John
(38:42):
Crichton was I mean, he was just devastated at all
of this. So who knows what happened to him and
his family. It's it's it's devastating. And times were already hard. Well,
you know, life was rough, and there was World War
(39:05):
two coming like, and you know that that was all
starting the depression, you know, just getting over World War One. Yeah,
it was rough times for these people, rough times for
our previous generations. Yeah, definitely, uh, he said, she said
(39:32):
twist attorney old timing crime.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's crazy because I and then nothing.
It's just like they had the article execution and done. Yeah,
no records of anybody.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Mm hmm. Probably. I mean there's probably some way to
go through like vital statistics and go through census reports.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
And that's the thing though, is to say, don't. I
don't have high hopes for it because it is New York.
It is the middle of the depression. It is you know,
like orphanage. Orphanages were a huge thing there, especially in
the city.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
And then yeah, World War One, the effects afterwards, we're
just in a weird place after that.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah. And it wasn't I mean, this was all hand recorded. Yeah,
there weren't databases. There weren't there's nothing. Yeah, it's and
it's very it was very easy for people to just
go away, you know, they moved and changed names. Nobody's
(40:44):
questioning you, No, nobody's you know, everybody was a stranger.
Everybody was an outsider unless you grew up with them
and they lived in in your neighborhood their whole lives.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
I think that's why too. Also, like Conman flourished.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolute because you could go anywhere, be anybody.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Go town to town. You just drive across the United States.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Oil salesman, you know all that. Those were the times.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
No internet, no, no no networking police. I mean, not
that it's any better now, but you know, police couldn't
get information from each other, no national crime database.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I mean, I think it is better now, it's a
lot better now, but it's still it still takes time. Yeah,
you know, it still takes time and resources. Yeah, they're available,
but it takes time. So I want to circle back
to the eggnog because I was like, it's September. Why
(41:46):
is this woman drinking eggnog every night? What are we doing?
And it's it's you know, prohibition.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, but eggnog is just milk, eggs and some other stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
It usually has some whiskey in it. I mean, as
far as I know, Brandy, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Don't know eggnog is you just made that one.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
So apparently it was very popular eggnog in you know,
early nineteen hundreds, lay eighteen hundreds. It's family recipes. I
found all sorts of them, and usually it was something
that was given to people who were invalids. So if
(42:28):
you were sick this was a usual cure. Basically, is
that what?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
It makes me feel better? I love eggnog?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, yeah, So the recipe would be one egg, raw egg,
a teaspoon sugar, two thirds cup milk, half a teaspoon
of vanilla, a few grains of salt, and a grating
of nutmeg if you like. Oh, I like meky. So
(43:03):
this this is a common recipe that would have been
something that people would drink, and Ada, being ill, apparently
had eggnog nightly with or without alcohol. Who's to say?
And I got a gag? I'm sorry one bra egg.
(43:25):
I can't And people like in the comments of this
recipe that I found, I'll link it in case anybody's curious.
We're talking about Oh yeah, my my mom used to
give this to me when I was a kid, and
I never minded that there was stringy white egg part.
I'm literally reading these comments wanting to throw up in
my mouth. Yeah, I can't do a rig like that.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
No, the whole thing to me, being Asian, it's just
it messes with my digestive track.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Carrie's not a friend and.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I love it, but it hates me. Yeah, it hates me. Relationship, Yes, yes,
I shouldn't be drinking yet, but it just ends up
in my mouth.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I mean, it tastes wonderful. I love I do love
the taste of egg nog, but I as well, it
is so much for me to digest. I can have
maybe a couple of SIPs before.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
My ass will drink that whole carton and around and
find out.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I mean, good for you, We all, yeah, but you
do it still I do. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Then I get the bubble gut and I have to
run and be like, hey see you guys later. Okay, insane.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
It's great stuff, but yeah, that's not necessarily something. Yeah,
that recipe, I can't see that that would be something
I would want to eat. But that being said, a
little bit of salt hydration, a little bit of you know,
the egg protein. You know, I can see nutmeg has
(44:57):
like vitamin just you know it. I can see it.
But I also am like this is and then milk,
of course, you know milking.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
And I remember like, because we used to go to
Christmas to Eureka. We would you know, drive up from
the Bay area Ereka, and my grandma used to make
it at dinner when we have Christmas with the cousins,
like it was a lot thinner. It wasn't as thick
as like they make it here. And like Mike, I
remember watching my grandma make it, like with the eggs
and everything and milk and nutmeg, and I was just like,
(45:29):
oh my god, this is so good. It still just
brings back memories.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
No, it does. It's definitely an old It may.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Have been the Filipino version, but.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I don't a little bit.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
I can't say that we ever really did that. But
then again, like my grandma used to drink butter milk,
just drink it and put bread in it, and I
couldn't stand that. So there's just a lot of things that,
you know, our old family things, and I'm not that. No,
it is an old family thing.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
This is what I'm telling you right now. Like that's
how they eat cereal in the Philippines is buttermilk. I
was like, oh, yeah, that's how they do that. Like
we I remember when we went vacation. Sorry getting off topic,
but we went to vacation, and like you know when
you travel to other countries. I was only ten at
the time. Yeah, I was like that, I just want
(46:25):
a bowl of cereal. And then he put the milk
in and I was like, what is that. Yeah, it's buttermilk.
That's what they use here. It is either that or
powdered milk.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Well, because there was no there's no pasteurized no, you know,
like that's that was That's not a thing, especially when
you went in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, eighty four.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, we used to. When I was a kid, we
used powdered milk all the time, all the time. I mean,
that's we would take like we'd go camping and we'd
bring powdered milk. Was that, but we had it on
standby just in case.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
We always had it, and we always had like condensed
milk that we would water down too and use for stuff.
I mean it's yeah, it's but we are old, honey,
you're forgetting. That's just a different time, yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
And different time. These kids haven't grown up that way
partially are No.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
They have no idea. How is it our fault? We
have better, we do better. It's not our fault. I
wouldn't say it's our fault. It's just it's the new norm.
You know. What it's normal for us is not normal
for them.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
It wasn't normal that but we can at least show them, hey,
there's alternatives, and they weren't good. I think that's just
us trying to shield our kids from the bad stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
But it's like kool aid. I won't drink kol aid
state kool Aid. I grew up and there's no knocking
my mom. Like we were on public assistance, and we
we got a lot of things, you know, with the
block cheese, the government cheese, the peanut butter commodities, you know,
but we didn't buy juice, you know, and you didn't
(48:01):
really drink water out of the well. We drank water
out of the tap, but I didn't like the way
it tasted, so you know, we weren't. That's what we
had to drink. So Mom bought kool aid.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Let me tell you, folks, I have not had Sloppy
Joes in years because Jessica refuses.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I can't do it. I just can't do it. It's ketch
up with ground beef. I can't do it, not even
for her.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
It's just us, like the kids.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Like the smell of it makes me physically go back
to a time and I don't want to be there.
I'm sorry, I get it. I'm sorry, but you've had
it a few times when I've not been a part
of dinner twenty six years, Oh god, twenty seven and
are you suffering?
Speaker 2 (48:43):
I am suffering. You're not the memories you can pass
on to your kids anyway.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
All right, we've gone way off topic. If anybody else
has these funny stories, please share them with us. We
can't be the only ones who remember the nostalgia growing up. Yeah.
I did have to look up the eggnogs. I'm like,
what the hell is this lady drinking? And then they
(49:08):
mentioned she drank it every night? And I was like,
the fuck. But it makes sense. It makes sense because
it was a remedy. It was, you know, it was
an old remedy of no Yeah, all right, guys, thanks
for sticking in with us. We hope that everybody is
enjoying the new year, and just remember to be kind
(49:30):
to one another. You know, takes it's free, takes nothing
from you. We're thankful for you, guys, and stay out
of the woods. That has not changed. That is still
the running thing woods.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Bye guys, By New Year,
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We discuss events that are often violent in nature. Listeners,
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(00:32):
Happens in the Woods. Happy New Year, right, Happy new year.
Thank you for taking the time to join us for
this episode. And we hope that the holidays have treated
you all well. That nonsense is behind us, we can
move forward. Nonsense, nonsense.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's the joyous time of year.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
You know, every year it gets less and less joyous. What. No,
it's fine, relaxing, enjoying family time. That's right, it's all good.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
It's all about family.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yes, hopefully everybody was able to enjoy the holidays and
just take time to slow down. I feel like it's
always a rush.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, So it's a new year. We've got a new
case to discuss. Oh, yes, before we get into that,
do you have any updates? No? Okay, just asking just
checking in. It's it is, yes, sir, yes, sir, it is.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't know what's all I got?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Okay, thank you, thank you for your participation.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh you're uncle.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
All right? You ready, I'm ready we get into it.
So I had to do it. I had to find
an timey murder at least one, at least one this season,
and I have found one that the fun. Yeah, there's
a possibility that there might be another one coming. But
(02:14):
I have a book to read, which in itself is
not an issue. But you know, there are several books
that are on my TVR right now that have nothing
to do with true crime, and there's one that is,
you know, releasing this month. That's a big deal for me. Yeah.
(02:37):
And it's my fault, and it is all your fault.
It is all your fault. I might have gotten around
to reading this series if you hadn't found it first,
but I was kind of putting it off. Yeah, and no,
I'm we're not discussing books. So there's a possibility that
(03:00):
it'll make it in if I can find the time
to read this book. Yeah yeah, but this one this case.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Why it takes you like a day to read anything.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah. But if I'm taking notes, it's a little bit different.
Oh yeah, you know, if I'm like, you know, annotating.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And I don't think you guys understand my wife hairs
through books.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, it's an issue. It's a problem, not a problem.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
It was just it's fast, like she's been waiting like
months for this book, and then she'll probably get done
with it like eight hours, and you won't see her
for the whole time.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I maybe. So when the last Harry Potter book came out,
I think everybody knows how thick that book was. It's
like thirteen undid pages, that's maybe however many pages. It's
a thick book it was. It was a big book.
I stayed up. We got it in the evening, and
I stayed up read it all night, and I was
(03:57):
done by like four o'clock in the morning. Because I
once I start on that kind of stuff, I just
can't stop. But then I have to read in between
these big books. So I got the Kindle app, the
Kindle Unlimited. This is probably way too much nobody wants
to know, but the Kindle Unlimited app, if you are
(04:20):
a reader and you read quickly, is well worth the price,
because I think it's maybe like fifteen bucks a month
and you can go through their library and you can
basically check out books for free.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And just has finished the whole library and no damn
near close.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
But I found I found, you know, cutesy little murder
mystery series that I'm reading, and you can also get
like the magazines like the Better Homes and Gardens magazine,
you can get them digitally. So it's not sponsored price, No,
(05:04):
not sponsored. But if anybody's a reader, I highly I
highly recommend because there's a lot of things, like I
read a pretty popular series. I think most of the
books were on there or like included in the Kindle
app price, the unlimited price. Anyways, there is a book
(05:25):
to read, and I did find the book on the
Kindle Unlimited app. Again not sponsored coincidence, but I will
I will be checking it out. So but we're not
there yet. We're discussing this one, all right, let's discuss. Okay,
we're going to discuss it's it could be quite easily
(05:46):
the most outlandish old timey murder we've discussed. It's right
up there. Wait. Yeah, so let me take you back
to Long Island, New York, New YUK. That was bad.
That was bad. Christie, if you're listening, don't don't know judge,
(06:07):
don't judge me. So we're going back to Long Island,
New York. Long Island, New York circa nineteen thirty five.
There are a few key players to the story, so
good luck in keeping up. No, I'm just joking. It
shouldn't be too bad. So first we have Mary Francis
(06:32):
and her husband John Crichton, who have relocated to a
small town of Baldwin from New Jersey with their two children,
Ruth and John Junior. And while living there they made
friends with next door neighbors Everett and Ada Applegate. They
had a daughter, Agnes, who was in a similar age
(06:54):
range of the Crichton children, so they were all very
early preteen to early teen, so you know, ranges about
twelve to fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. The problem is every article
has these kids listed at different ages. So in one article,
(07:16):
and it could be because it spans a few months
between nineteen thirty five and nineteen thirty six, that's always
an issue, but that also doesn't account for like in
one article from nineteen thirty six, Ruth is fifteen and
another article that you know came out months afterwards, she
(07:37):
was fifteen. So it's just like she's fourteen, she's fifteen,
she's sixteen. Do we really know? I. I don't have
birth records.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So mine not.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Well, you know that's what it's like. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
So John and Everett were both that terans from the
First World War and they were members of the American Legion.
And so these two guys hit it off really well. O.
They bonded over the war trauma. I mean, World War
(08:12):
One was a lot and they're in the depression. So
this is this is right in the middle of the depression.
Things were very rough for most people. While Everett was working,
he was not getting paid, you know, the most. So
(08:32):
it was decided that in order to help, you know,
pool the resources, these two families would move into the
Creighton home. From what I can gather, it was a
two maybe a three bedroom home. At one point it
was described as a bungalow, which is definitely a small,
you know, maybe two bedroom one back home. But it
did have an attic. Not really ideal for, you know,
(08:56):
two families trying to combine households together, but as they say,
needs must and they made do. And that's just that
from what I can infer. While the men were family,
their wives were also friends. At one point they're described
as best friends.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
John and Mary Francis seemed to have a very typical
relationship of the time. They weren't necessarily like in love.
It wasn't a grand love story per se, but they
maybe had a healthy respect for one another. They were
you know, it was it was common of that time.
You married for practicality, necessity, it was expected, it was
(09:39):
a good match, financially, families joining, whatever the case. That
was still very common during this time period. Yeah, the
Apple Gates were a different story. Everett was described in
one article as quote unquote hintpackt, which is a very
(10:01):
old fashioned term. So when when defined, it means browbeaten
or bullied. So women, especially probably New England, but mostly
like English British hin refers to women kind of flighty,
(10:25):
kind of you know whatever. It's not necessarily a good term,
but if you if you've watched older movies or watched
old British sitcoms, which I have, it's it's a term.
So instead of like saying a bachelorette party, they would
(10:45):
say a hin party. So it's just it's a term.
So hind packed means that the woman is constantly beating
you down, essentially, so.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Talk picked.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I don't I don't know, sir, I don't know cock picked.
I mean maybe maybe who's to say, maybe you've just
coined a new term.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's old timey, it's past, it is past.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Now, it is in the past. So this wife was
just described as as she's a little harsh, a little harsh.
There were constant fights between them, and Aida was accusing
him quite frequently of being off, you know, with other women. Now,
(11:46):
Ada Applegate was not a well woman. There are reports
that she had health issues, She had a bad heart.
She was also a rager, rather large woman. She was
not in good shape. She spent a lot of her
time in bed, not feeling good. And not to excuse
spousal abuse in any way, but I'm sure when you're
(12:11):
not feeling good, you're not in the best attitude, you
don't have the best you know, demeanor poor or poor
with your husband, you know. Yeah, so she probably was
just grouchy. I mean, she's she didn't feel good, she's grouchy,
and she was like, you know, dude, what are you doing?
(12:32):
I don't know, no defense, no defense, but I can
see it. Yeah, and you know, let's face it, and
these times, nobody got divorced. People you stayed married, yea
until somebody died. And in early September of nineteen thirty five,
Ada began to complain of feeling worse, and with Everett
(12:56):
by her side, she made a trip to the local
hospital around September twenty third. However, nothing could be pinpointed
as as wrong. She does have these other com bordities.
Come more. Is that the word No, I'm not going
to try to say that word co morbidities. I got it.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yes, I know what you meant.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yep. So she sent home. They don't know what to
do for and just days later, on September twenty seventh,
in nineteen thirty five, she would be dead. Really yes,
and just like that it was suspected it was pneumonia,
(13:36):
which raised no suspicions in the death. She's an unhealthy woman.
She got sick. They couldn't figure it out, so they
proceeded with burial and funeral plans that were made, you know,
quickly enough. They really just didn't mess around. But then
there were anonymous news clippings from a decade prior that
(14:00):
were mailed to local police that changed everything, and quite dramatically.
On the day of Ada's service, They're about to put
this woman into the ground. Authorities show up to her
funeral and they take her body. They say, nope, we've
got to do some testing. Uh oh, based off of
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what was in these newspaper articles, it was a very
real possibility that missus Ada Applegate had been poisoned. No, no, no, So,
based on the little info that I have provided for you,
who do you pin as a suspect?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Mmm?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Could be the weary husband, possibly another woman from an affair,
one of the other members of the household they're all
living in.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Maybe yeah, one of the other members of the household. Yeah, yeah, okay,
because the poison wasn't intended for her, it was for
someone else, but she kept eating it because she's a.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
This is what.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
A very large woman.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Okay, I don't know. I don't know that that has
anything to do with it. Good guess. So these newspaper
articles that had been mailed to the police anonymously were
related to Mary Francis Crichton.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Several members of her family, possibly even family pets, had
died from arsenic poisoning.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Mary Francis was implicated in at least three deaths officially,
and even went to trial for two, but she was
never convicted of any crimes. Why is that I get
to that?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
In nineteen twenty three, both John and Mary Francis were
arrested and charged in the death of her brother, Raymond Avery.
So Raymond was just eighteen years old. This is her
younger brother. He had inherited a trust and also had
a life insurance policy in which Mary Francis was named
as the beneficiary, and being that he was a young man,
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he was relatively healthy. His death was looked into and
it was found that there was a lethal amount of
arsenic poisoning poison in his system. So it did go
to trial and they both were acquitted of those charges
as no one could claim to have seen her put
the poison in any of his food or drink. Okay,
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She was also pregnant and due to give birth at
any time with the couple's second child at this time,
and it was unfavorable to have an expectant mother in
jail for mother murder. Yes, so they were acquitted of
those charges. That same year, investigators were left in a
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conundrum as John's parents both died, so her mother in
law father in law both died and it was found
that they also had arsenic in their system. The amounts
were lethal, they were not the same amounts though, so
the father in law had more in his system than
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the mother in law, which for some reason seemed to
baffle the authorities. They only charged her with the murder
of the father in law. Okay, and only her this time,
but because of the discrepancy, it caused the jury to
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also acquit her.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Wait, what was the descrepancy?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Just the amount of poison in the system. They figured
if she had poisoned them both, she would have done
the same amount, so it was assumed that they had
just ingested the poison. Accidentally. I'm not sure about that
line of things.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I was going to say that logic doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Not quite. It is, you know, in the nineteen twenties though.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Okay, if she was guilty, they would have both had
the same amount. What if she just fed off her husband? Oh,
because it would have been the same levels. How does
it get smaller?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Right? I mean, maybe one was placing at one time. Yeah, oh,
I guess I can see what the thought was. But
there are variables here at play that. I mean, maybe
one ingested it sooner than the other. Maybe she knew
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enough to know that the father in law was going
to need a higher dose than the mother in law.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I don't know. You know, there's I don't know how
arsenic works.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I mean, it's you. You already have some naturally in
your body.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I don't mean apples. Okay, oh that's cyanaid. That's I
don't know where arsenic comes from.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
It's it's typically a rat poison.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Oh yeah, that shouldn't even be near cooking ingredients.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
No, no, it shouldn't. It shouldn't, but it somehow does
end up killing people. So after all of this notoriety
in New Jersey, Mary Francis and her husband John moved
to New York, to Long Island to try to, you know,
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put this behind them. They they were infamous now. But
somehow someone was well aware of the past that these
two were running from. And and there are rumors that
it was in aggrieved red delivery man that Mary Francis
was giving a hard time she didn't tip well, and
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he was like, you know what, I know you, I
got you, I know what you've been doing. I know
what you did last summer, and now the police do too.
My I have to laugh, though, what was he? Where
did he go find these newspaper clippings? They were from
ten years previous.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
They probably kept them. He was such an asshole. And
it's not like that, you know what I mean? Like
how many times you found stacks of papers in old
people's homes?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Oh a lot.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It's that was their old TiVo.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
To replay it. That's a good analogy, though.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
It was like to find stacks of papers nobody and
during the depression, like they would keep that stuff. Everything
got reused.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, no, everything got reused. And it just it's I
find it funny. There there must have been some common
thread there. She they were in New Jersey when that happened.
How did how did it make it to Long Island?
Was it that big of enough of a case that
it was reported over different states? In the air? I mean,
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I know they're they're not necessarily far from one another,
but and why did he keep them or how did
he go back and find them? Just it's it. I'm
curious as to that. But there's I could not find
how he knew or where he got that from, where
he got those clippings from? But he really I mean grudge,
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It was really a grudge. Yeah, it was, I mean
over over tipping in prices of bread. Be careful who
you piss off.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
It's just that you don't know who you piss off.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Sometimes, No you don't. But I mean, if you're going
to fight with somebody over the price of bread, it's
the depression. Also, so I'm everybody was haggling, but I
don't know. It just turned him the wrong way. He
was not happy with her.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yes, I mean you can't. You never know what's gonna
flip someone's switch. Very true, grind my.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Geas if you're running from a pass though, you should
be trying to not piss off anybody.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, well she probably thought she was safe. I was acquitted.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I mean, yeah, she obviously did. So we are not
done with this tail of course, not yeah or a
to aplgate his diet of unnatural causes and the evidence
points to one logical suspect or does it never does no,
and all will be revealed after this break Boo, welcome back.
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When we left off, I had just disclosed I just
dropped this bomb that Mary Francis and John Crichton had
a little bit of a sordid pass that caught up
to them when Ada Applegate passed away in the fall
of nineteen thirty five. But there is so much more
to this story do tell When the autopsy report came back.
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It showed that there was three times a lethal dose
of arsenic in Ada's system, So typically she had eleven
grams in her system and three would be enough to
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kill somebody. Yeah, so this was no accident. Definitely was
not pneumonia.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Could have been an accident. My size built it in here.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, no, based on previous criminal suspicion, Mary Francis was arrested.
Police interrogated her for hours and the story she weaved
is incredible, It's crazy. So you see Mary Francis quickly
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caved under the pressure being interrogated and of course implicated
AIDA's husband Everett in her death. Wow, there had been
supposedly a sexual relationship between Mary Francis and Everett. No surprise, right,
this kind of stuff is that's what you would expect.
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Now what you might not expect, as there was also
a relationship with Ruth Brighton and Everett. Remember Ruth, No,
she's maybe about fifteen, sixteen years old. Now it gets
worse as it's mentioned that Everett and AIDA's daughter Agnes,
who I believe at this time was thirteen or fourteen
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at the time, was also involved.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
What the hell?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
And last, but not least, Ada herself possibly participated or
at least had knowledge of all of this. The only
people who seemed to not be involved is John and
John Junior.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Are you sure?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I have no idea?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
At this point?
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It comes out in this confession from Mary Francis that
due to the limited ability availability on beds in the
Kriton house, that there were many times when Ruth, Agnes
and Everett would share a bed. There were many times
when Ruth Francis and Everett would share a bed. There
were also times when Ruth, Everett, and Ada shared a bed,
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and Mary Francis is very clear on what was going on.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It wasn't sleep, doesn't sound like it.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
According to Mary Francis, she had to get rid of
Aida to make way for her daughter Ruth to marry
Everett if she were to become pregnant. So in her
head she was like, I gotta eliminate the wife because
all this is going on. What are we going to
do if she becomes pregnant? Yeah, it never occurred to
anybody that maybe just stop fucking stop sleeping around.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Or make different sleeping arrangements, right, Like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
She confesses to poisoning Ada's nightly egg nog drink with
a commercial product called rough on Rats.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Not laughing, it was just like the name of that
poison rough on Rats.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
No, that's I mean, but that I did kind of chuckle.
It's also very on point for nineteen you know, early
turn of the nineteenth century or twenty Yeah, but early
turn of the nineteen hundred's to the names that they
had of products were just yeah. But then the story
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changed and it was all everet. He was the one,
for you know, responsible for poisoning his wife. He was
the one that put her, Mary Frances, up to it.
She then also claimed that she had never been intimate
and it was only daughter Ruth and Everett that we're
carrying on. So at that point her and Agnes were
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not part of it. Ada not a part of it.
It was just Ruth an Everett.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Police had no actual evidence other than the suspicion of
you know, previous criminal activity that they got from the newspaper.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Clippings anonymously anonymously fucking.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Bred man, and then the toxicology report obviously showed that
Ada had been poisoned. I agree that linking two and two,
you know, two and two makes four in this case,
I agree that there's a link there, but they quickly
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brought in Everett applegate in on a charge of statutory rape. Again,
two and two probably equals four. Here I he admitted,
he admits that he and Ruth had a quote unquote relationship,
and I say that in quotes. That's what he called it.
I would not ever refer to the grooming and abuse
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of a sixteen year old by a thirty eight year
old man a relationship. Let's just let me be clear
on that, that is what he referred to it. As
police proceeded to arrest both Mary Francis and Everett for
the murder of Ada, and a trial was quickly set
and began January twelfth of nineteen thirty six for the pair.
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Everett's lawyer tried to get the murder charges thrown out
as there was no actual evidence that he was involved,
but the judge would not hear of dismissing the charges,
so his lawyer was trying to focus solely on the
statutory rape, not the murder. When Everett took to the stand,
he denied any wrongdoing in the death of his wife. However,
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he admitted to the illicit sexual relationship with Ruth, claiming
he only had sex with her when in the presence
of his wife Ada. Now Ada is dead, she can't talk. No,
who's to say.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Unless we do a salund.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
A seance where using Ouiji board. I don't think it
was I think seance is worth a thing. When Mary
Francis took the stand, she of course proclaimed her innocence
and again blamed everything on Everett, but under cross examination,
the attorney pressed her on the inconsistencies of her story.
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It was then, under the pressure that she admitted to
taking the glass of milk to Ada, knowing full well, yeah, eggnog,
knowing full well that he already.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Got me confused with all these names. Now I got
to get the stuff straight.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Come on, say eggnag, it's basically milk, and I will
get to that, knowing full well that it contained the
rat poison. So she acknowledges that she knows the poison
in the cup and took it to Ada and the man.
The attorney says, you knowingly took that to your best friend,
and she says yes. I would say that. I hope
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in today's you know, criminal justice world, that they would
have been able to find more evidence, even circumstantial. In
this case, I think that would have led to one
or both of these jackasses. But I don't think there
would have been a fiction necessarily in today's you know,
proceedings for either of them. If this is how it went.
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I can't see that they would have been convicted or
even arrests for that matter, because there really was very circumstantial,
nonlinkable evidence as to who did this and what happened.
It's even a guess that it was in the eggnog.
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There's really nothing hard. And I'm not saying that because
I don't think that they're responsible. Given Mary Francis's history
and you know, her obvious poison of choice being arsenic, Yeah,
and this disgusting treatment of her young daughter, I have
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no doubt that they would be capable of murdering Ada.
But this is nineteen thirty six, Yeah, and it wasn't
about evidence necessarily at the time. Both Mary Francis Crichton
and Everett Applegate were found guilty of first degree murder
on January twenty fifth, nineteen thirty six. So I mean,
two week trial and they're going to the electric chair baby,
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oh wow. Yeah, but that Paldy they were sent to
sing sing, which is I think we've all heard of it.
I mean there's been books, there's been movies, there's there's
been a lot of talk. It's a very notorious prison. Yeah,
to await their executions. Both of course, appealed the judgments,
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and they were so confident that they were going to
win these appeals. I mean, she had already gotten away
with murder supposedly three times. Yeah, maybe even more than that.
Maybe she knew the formula, maybe she just she she
made statements that you know, just wait, this won't hold up.
I'll be out of here. It's all good. And Everett
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was also hopeful that, you know, while he admitted to
the sexual abuse, you know, he would never have killed
his wife is his thing. I you know, never would
have killed my wife. I wasn't involved at all. They
were sorely mistaken. All appeals were denied, and they both
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were set to be executed on July sixteenth of nineteen
thirty six. They did not mess around. I mean, you
didn't get yeared like people sit on death row now
for years going through appeals. This was not happening.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, I mean, speedy trial and all of it.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, jeez, yeah, it was after the appeals were denied
that Mary Francis seemed to have a mental breakdown. So
at the time of her arrest and the charges being
made the trial, she was evaluated and she was like
perfectly evaluated to be perfectly competent to stand trial. She
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was fine going into prison, She had high hopes, and
then as soon as the appeals were denied, she just
seemed to lose her shit.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Well I would too, you know, you're going to go
to the electric chair. Yeah, but she'd gotten away with
it before before. Yeah, she was just like, yeah, I
think Calestan.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah. So she was found competent to be executed by
old Sparky as the electric chair was referred to.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Just days before her time was set to be put
to death, she showed signs of hysteria. She claimed to
be paralyzed from the waist down and extreme pain. She
was crying and sobbing. When others tried to interact with her,
they could rarely get her to leave her cell or
to eat. She just completely broke down.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
The day before the execution took place, she converted to Catholicism. Yeah,
and the priest asked if there was anything she would
like to make known to the public. Mary Francis's reply
was to claim that she was innocent, but that quote
I was a good wife and mother, and whatever I did,
I did for him and the children. I hope they
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will have a better life than I did. Quote I
take some I just I have a little bit of
a problem saying you're a good mother when you're fifteen
sixteen year old is in a quote unquote relationship with
the thirty eight year old man, But okay. On the
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evening of July sixteenth, just hours before the execution, the
judge allowed the family to have one last visit with
Mary Francis and Everett. Everett's father and stepmother were there,
as well as his daughter, Agnes. John Ruth, and John
Junior also came to see Mary Francis. Agnes and Ruth
reportedly waited in the visitors area eating hamburgers, and upon leaving,
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John Crichton was understandably upset and reportedly threatened to stab
any reporters that tried to speak with him. Throughout this
whole thing, he claims that he had no idea of
any of this going on. He had no idea that
there was any type of incestuous relationships there was. He
just claims he had no knowledge of any of it,
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and he's just lord and devastated. At eleven PM, a
reportedly comatose Mary Francis was wheeled into the execution chamber
and placed in the chair. It was stated that a
physician had been dosing her up with morphine, so she
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was not awake. She was very doped. Her life was
ended by electrocution at eleven oz four PM, directly after
her body was cooled enough. And that's a horrible sentence
to say. After they were able to remove her body,
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Everett was ushered into the same chamber, I mean minutes,
placed in the same chair. His last words were quote,
before God, gentleman, I'm absolutely innocent of this crime, and
I hope the Good God will have mercy on the
soul of Martin W. Littleton. That was the judge who
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sentenced them. And this was in front of twenty three
gentlemen witnesses. Twenty three men had to watch them. And
there's no information on life after these executions for the
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rest of the family that survived. Really nope, and you
think about it, Agnes is now parentless. Yeah, her life
has been destroyed. She's maybe thirteen, fourteen years old. The
notoriety of all of this, I'm sure making the papers.
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Mary Francis was only the third woman in the history
of sing sing to be electrocuted.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Like, he didn't say, like where she went afterwards, it's
just like, ye, the story.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
No, yeah, there's nothing.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
That sucks. She didn't go to like relatives.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I don't know, No, yeah, I don't know. I would hope.
I would hope his father and stepmother.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
An orphany were there.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, that would have been rough though. I mean really,
there's no saying she ended up in a good place,
which is really sad, you know, losing your mother that
way and then your father being electrocuted. Yeah, and John
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Crichton was I mean, he was just devastated at all
of this. So who knows what happened to him and
his family. It's it's it's devastating. And times were already hard. Well,
you know, life was rough, and there was World War
(39:05):
two coming like, and you know that that was all
starting the depression, you know, just getting over World War One. Yeah,
it was rough times for these people, rough times for
our previous generations. Yeah, definitely, uh, he said, she said
(39:32):
twist attorney old timing crime.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's crazy because I and then nothing.
It's just like they had the article execution and done. Yeah,
no records of anybody.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Mm hmm. Probably. I mean there's probably some way to
go through like vital statistics and go through census reports.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
And that's the thing though, is to say, don't. I
don't have high hopes for it because it is New York.
It is the middle of the depression. It is you know,
like orphanage. Orphanages were a huge thing there, especially in
the city.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
And then yeah, World War One, the effects afterwards, we're
just in a weird place after that.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah. And it wasn't I mean, this was all hand recorded. Yeah,
there weren't databases. There weren't there's nothing. Yeah, it's and
it's very it was very easy for people to just
go away, you know, they moved and changed names. Nobody's
(40:44):
questioning you, No, nobody's you know, everybody was a stranger.
Everybody was an outsider unless you grew up with them
and they lived in in your neighborhood their whole lives.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
I think that's why too. Also, like Conman flourished.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolute because you could go anywhere, be anybody.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Go town to town. You just drive across the United States.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Oil salesman, you know all that. Those were the times.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
No internet, no, no no networking police. I mean, not
that it's any better now, but you know, police couldn't
get information from each other, no national crime database.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I mean, I think it is better now, it's a
lot better now, but it's still it still takes time. Yeah,
you know, it still takes time and resources. Yeah, they're available,
but it takes time. So I want to circle back
to the eggnog because I was like, it's September. Why
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is this woman drinking eggnog every night? What are we doing?
And it's it's you know, prohibition.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, but eggnog is just milk, eggs and some other stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
It usually has some whiskey in it. I mean, as
far as I know, Brandy, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Don't know eggnog is you just made that one.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
So apparently it was very popular eggnog in you know,
early nineteen hundreds, lay eighteen hundreds. It's family recipes. I
found all sorts of them, and usually it was something
that was given to people who were invalids. So if
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you were sick this was a usual cure. Basically, is
that what?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
It makes me feel better? I love eggnog?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, yeah, So the recipe would be one egg, raw egg,
a teaspoon sugar, two thirds cup milk, half a teaspoon
of vanilla, a few grains of salt, and a grating
of nutmeg if you like. Oh, I like meky. So
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this this is a common recipe that would have been
something that people would drink, and Ada, being ill, apparently
had eggnog nightly with or without alcohol. Who's to say?
And I got a gag? I'm sorry one bra egg.
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I can't And people like in the comments of this
recipe that I found, I'll link it in case anybody's curious.
We're talking about Oh yeah, my my mom used to
give this to me when I was a kid, and
I never minded that there was stringy white egg part.
I'm literally reading these comments wanting to throw up in
my mouth. Yeah, I can't do a rig like that.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
No, the whole thing to me, being Asian, it's just
it messes with my digestive track.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Carrie's not a friend and.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I love it, but it hates me. Yeah, it hates me. Relationship, Yes, yes,
I shouldn't be drinking yet, but it just ends up
in my mouth.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I mean, it tastes wonderful. I love I do love
the taste of egg nog, but I as well, it
is so much for me to digest. I can have
maybe a couple of SIPs before.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
My ass will drink that whole carton and around and
find out.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I mean, good for you, We all, yeah, but you
do it still I do. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Then I get the bubble gut and I have to
run and be like, hey see you guys later. Okay, insane.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
It's great stuff, but yeah, that's not necessarily something. Yeah,
that recipe, I can't see that that would be something
I would want to eat. But that being said, a
little bit of salt hydration, a little bit of you know,
the egg protein. You know, I can see nutmeg has
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like vitamin just you know it. I can see it.
But I also am like this is and then milk,
of course, you know milking.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
And I remember like, because we used to go to
Christmas to Eureka. We would you know, drive up from
the Bay area Ereka, and my grandma used to make
it at dinner when we have Christmas with the cousins,
like it was a lot thinner. It wasn't as thick
as like they make it here. And like Mike, I
remember watching my grandma make it, like with the eggs
and everything and milk and nutmeg, and I was just like,
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oh my god, this is so good. It still just
brings back memories.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
No, it does. It's definitely an old It may.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Have been the Filipino version, but.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I don't a little bit.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
I can't say that we ever really did that. But
then again, like my grandma used to drink butter milk,
just drink it and put bread in it, and I
couldn't stand that. So there's just a lot of things that,
you know, our old family things, and I'm not that. No,
it is an old family thing.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
This is what I'm telling you right now. Like that's
how they eat cereal in the Philippines is buttermilk. I
was like, oh, yeah, that's how they do that. Like
we I remember when we went vacation. Sorry getting off topic,
but we went to vacation, and like you know when
you travel to other countries. I was only ten at
the time. Yeah, I was like that, I just want
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a bowl of cereal. And then he put the milk
in and I was like, what is that. Yeah, it's buttermilk.
That's what they use here. It is either that or
powdered milk.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Well, because there was no there's no pasteurized no, you know,
like that's that was That's not a thing, especially when
you went in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, eighty four.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, we used to. When I was a kid, we
used powdered milk all the time, all the time. I mean,
that's we would take like we'd go camping and we'd
bring powdered milk. Was that, but we had it on
standby just in case.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
We always had it, and we always had like condensed
milk that we would water down too and use for stuff.
I mean it's yeah, it's but we are old, honey,
you're forgetting. That's just a different time, yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
And different time. These kids haven't grown up that way
partially are No.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
They have no idea. How is it our fault? We
have better, we do better. It's not our fault. I
wouldn't say it's our fault. It's just it's the new norm.
You know. What it's normal for us is not normal
for them.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
It wasn't normal that but we can at least show them, hey,
there's alternatives, and they weren't good. I think that's just
us trying to shield our kids from the bad stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
But it's like kool aid. I won't drink kol aid
state kool Aid. I grew up and there's no knocking
my mom. Like we were on public assistance, and we
we got a lot of things, you know, with the
block cheese, the government cheese, the peanut butter commodities, you know,
but we didn't buy juice, you know, and you didn't
(48:01):
really drink water out of the well. We drank water
out of the tap, but I didn't like the way
it tasted, so you know, we weren't. That's what we
had to drink. So Mom bought kool aid.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Let me tell you, folks, I have not had Sloppy
Joes in years because Jessica refuses.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I can't do it. I just can't do it. It's ketch
up with ground beef. I can't do it, not even
for her.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
It's just us, like the kids.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Like the smell of it makes me physically go back
to a time and I don't want to be there.
I'm sorry, I get it. I'm sorry, but you've had
it a few times when I've not been a part
of dinner twenty six years, Oh god, twenty seven and
are you suffering?
Speaker 2 (48:43):
I am suffering. You're not the memories you can pass
on to your kids anyway.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
All right, we've gone way off topic. If anybody else
has these funny stories, please share them with us. We
can't be the only ones who remember the nostalgia growing up. Yeah.
I did have to look up the eggnogs. I'm like,
what the hell is this lady drinking? And then they
(49:08):
mentioned she drank it every night? And I was like,
the fuck. But it makes sense. It makes sense because
it was a remedy. It was, you know, it was
an old remedy of no Yeah, all right, guys, thanks
for sticking in with us. We hope that everybody is
enjoying the new year, and just remember to be kind
(49:30):
to one another. You know, takes it's free, takes nothing
from you. We're thankful for you, guys, and stay out
of the woods. That has not changed. That is still
the running thing woods.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Bye guys, By New Year,
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