Guardians of the Dragon Path with Ani Williams

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
From the Americas to Europe, and from India to China,
dragons have captivated human imaginations for centuries. Believed by many
cultures to have been real for centuries. Dragons have become
a staple in folklore, fairy tales, and fantasy literature due
to their deep mythology, call roots, their evolution through literary history,

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and their symbolic significance. But of course, most people don't
believe that these magical beings really exist. Arnie Williams is
a composer, harpist, singer of cross cultural sacred music, and
a pioneer in sound medicine, best known for her music
recordings which have been distributed worldwide decades. Arnie Williams joins

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me today to discuss her first non fiction book, Guardians
of the Dragon Park Ancient Temples of the Pyrenees, The
Way of the Stars, Comino and Magdalena, which chronicles a
remarkable journey that resulted in the groundbreaking discovery of the
titular dragon part proving the truth is indeed a stranger

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than fiction. Arnie Williams welcome.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Thank you so much Sandy for inviting me.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
I have to thank you for writing such a treasured
of a book. Honestly, this book would probably take half
a dozen, if not more, interviews to even begin to
splatch the surface of it. The amount of research you've done.
How long did it take you?

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Almost eighteen years? I mean I was researching in the
landscape for that long, but the actual writing was more
like five or six years. And then packing in all
of the historical evidence that backed up what I was
discovering was more intensive for three years.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
And this is just the first of a trilogy. Yeah,
talk about a life's work. An opus for sure. You
were born in Los Angeles, right at the edge of
respected poets and authors. You've traveled the world extensively. You know,
what were you like growing up? Were you always interested
in music? Did you have an interest in this kind

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of history.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Interestingly, my family was very interested in music, and my
grandfather was a German opera singer and our family always
sang on vacations and my father played the piano, so
he started teaching me a bit when I was about five.
So I started my serious music not until much later.

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But history. I actually hated history in school because I
didn't like the way they were teaching it or the
particular subject matter. But I have a tremendous amount of
bloodline of history writers. My great great uncle, my great

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grandmother wrote reams of books on ancient history and natural history,
so kind of was a destiny.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
So when did your interest in France in all of
this ancient history there what pointed that?

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Well, about nineteen years ago I moved to France, and
for the first few years I was part time, and
then I got my residency. And as soon as I landed,
I had really good friends that knew the sites and
the history of the area, so they started showing me
different places in the region. Where I am now is

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in the south western part of France, near the Mediterranean
and near the Pyrenees, which divide France and Spain today.
So then I got very, very interested in the Spanish history,
the history of the Iberian Peninsula, and since the village

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where I'm living is right on the Paris Meridian, I
started getting very interested in sites that are located on
the meridian. And it seems as though it was recognized
as a meridian long before it was measured by seventeenth
century Parisian scientists from the Paris Observatory. And one of

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my dear friends was the late Henry Lincoln, and he
said something on the order of that the meridian is
a Chromlach intersect point, which means Cromlack is a stone circle.
So we have finding lots of megalithic Neolithic stone structures

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sanctuaries right on the meridian. So Henry gave me the
first clue.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
Really, I read his book back in the n Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, So your book has been described as a master
work of the legends, history and spirituality which flourished in
the Pyrenees and Catalonia. What I want to know is,
you know this particular person who wrote this and also
said something about the magical landscape is finally being understood.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
What is being understood?

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Good question. There are so many layers. One of the
first things I noticed about France in general, but especially
in the southern part, the closer to the Pyrenees, I
experienced a depth of history. I felt the layers layer
upon layer throughout time. And right near where I am

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in the south of France, near the Pyrenees, is a
site called Tautevelle where they discovered a skull of a
human four hundred and fifty thousand years old. So you know,
we're going back layers and layers. And then I discovered
some of the magical things about Pyrenean legends. And you

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spoke about dragons. Of course, it's part of the title.
And the Pyrenean people, especially the Basque people, and they
have believed in dragons forever. They believe that dragons actually
live maybe from an unseen realm within the mountains themselves,

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and actually created the Pyrenees. That's one story. But they're
in charge of weather, They're in charge of these great
storms that crash down the So many cultures actually believe
that dragons are overseers of the elemental realms. So that
really fits together where legend and different cultural beliefs come together.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
There's something about dragons that really attracts so I mean,
I love dragons, and yes, I believe they're real, not
here necessarily, but somewhere. No, they're just the most amazing creatures.
You couldn't invent something like a dragon, I don't think,
although lots of people say they've just come from our imagination,
but I really don't think that's true. How do the dragons,

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I mean, why is it called a dragon pump?

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Going back to dragons, I think, you know, as part
of our memory, deep memory, because dinosaurs, certainly especially the
winged ones, really are kind of our dragons, you know,
So it is they actually existed in in the valley
around the Paris Meridian where I live. They found dragon eggs,

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dragon bones, there's a whole dragon. Well let's say, let's
correct that dinosaur bones, dinosaur eggs, and there's a dinosaur
museum nearby. So in a way they kind of morphe
in my consciousness a bit. But the idea of the

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dragon path So I became very interested in the Paris
Meridian because when the scientists were measuring it, they discovered
many things. They discovered that the just measure the meridian
by using fixed stars, mostly the sun, they could figure

(09:07):
out the speed of light, the speed of sound and
the properties of gravity, and I found that just extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
So why did they call it the Paris Meridian and
how did they know this meridian was there?

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Well, there are meridians everywhere. Meridian is simply a line.
If you take a globe, a model of the Earth,
or you draw a line between the north pole and
the south pole, you have a meridian. But the purpose
for finding specific meridians in specific places. For instance, the

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King of France in sixteen fifty or so commissioned all
these scientists to establish the Paris Observatory because the culture
or the country who knows longitude rules, they rule trade
because they can navigate on land and sea. And now,

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of course we use it for flights as well, but
in those days, navigating by land and sea, establishing dominance
in the trade realm, you were the dominant country. So
of course everyone, every country wanted to have that meridian
in their country, and later there ensued the battle with Greenwich,

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with England and Greenwich one. But still it's interesting because
when I started looking at the Paris Meridian and where
they measured it too. It ends at the island of Majorca,
a place called Isla Dragon era or the island of

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small dragonesses, and I thought, wow, how romantic. And then
you know, I call the Mediterranean aphroditees pond because Aphrodite
was born out of the Mediterranean foamy seawater. So there's
a lot of legendary, a lot of mythology woven in,

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but also a lot of science to give it a ground.
So in researching the Paris Meridian, I discovered many groupings
of megalithic sites, not just one little standing stone, but
groups of dozens centered around the Paris Meridian. So that
got me off and running in my research.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
So they must have been areas of a special kind
of energy for those you know.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
So would you.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Say that the Meridians are like Leila lines because we
hear about dragon lines.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
You know, not necessarily, I mean, okay, dragon lines are
lay lines more or less. I mean they were called
lung mai in China, and they were alignments of energy
and the focused energy flows terrestrial flows that are also
influenced by the celestial And in the Dragon line or
the Paris Meridian, when it gets close to the Pyrenees,

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it actually interacts with the Eurasian and the Iberian tectonic plates,
where they came together and pushed up the mountain range.
So we have a lot of electromagnetic anomalies, discontinuities of
energy where ancient people, when they felt those places, felt

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here's a place where I feel elevated, Here's a place
where I can connect with the ancestors or the spirits
of the land and life. So they built their sites
along these energy lines. And I don't know if you
know Rory Duff's work, but he's written several He's a
retired geological engineer these English He's written books and he's

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done a lot of research on dragon lines. He says
a lot of them run through Spain, which I found
very interesting because there's a tremendous amount of geological activity
there and also a lot of megalithic sites.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
So the path, the dragon path, how how far does
it go?

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Well, it was measured. I don't know if you want
to bring up that image one, but it shows it
was measured from the northern extreme of land in France
at Dunkirk on the on the on the North Sea there,
and it was right through Paris, right through the Pyrenees,
and then it was continued near Barcelona to Majorca. So

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it's pretty long.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
So have you traveled the whole length of it.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Only part I haven't traveled the northernmost part above Paris,
north of Paris. But there's an interesting book. I'm not
sure I will remember his name. He wrote a book
on the Mediolana Middle Earth, and he discovered that the
site at Dunkirk was actually an island long ago, during

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the time that the Celts around six hundred, three hundred,
two hundred BC and then into AD, they had an
island there called Lugundum or named after Luge, the sun god,
and so it was a solar temple at the very

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northern end of the Meridian and then the southern of course,
it's named for the So I've explored from Paris right
down through the center of France. I just made a
eight day research excursion to the center, which is called
Mediolanum or Middle Earth. And it's interesting because all this

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realm of magic and dragons and the Lord of the Rings.
You know, they talk about Middle Earth. They got their
ideas a lot of times from ancient mythology and history
the Celtic. So tell me.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
About the ancient way of the Stalls? Is this the
pilgrimy truth.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yes, oh that's fascinating. So once I had been working
with the north south meridian, which I call the Dragon line,
and all the different megalithic sites and actually Magdalen Mary
Magdalen sites and templar sites that are located right on
the meridian, I researched the Camino de Santiago de Compostella

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and I met people in Catalonia who were researchers and
talked about the Way of the Stars, and I thought, well,
that's what the camina, and you know it is named
for Compostella is field of stars, so it was named
for this way of the stars. But the Way of

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the Stars actually started perhaps six thousand years ago. There's
a wonderful German astrophysicists that I quote in my book, Gush.
I'm not remembering his name right now, but he wrote
about the ancient star paths, and the one I wrote
about that goes across northern Spain, which later became the

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Camino de Santiago. The Way the Stars starts at the
eastern end of the Pyrenees and it goes right across
the southern base of the Pyrenees and is marked by
megalithic sites over and over and over, and magdalen churches

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from the medieval era. So it's interesting, layer upon layer
throughout history, people sensed the importance of this energy of this.
Now this runs right along the fault line, so there
was that draw for people. That was a special place energetically. Also,

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the minerals in the land. Paul Devereaux, a countryman of
yours author, did a lot of research with the Dragon
Project and discovered that the minerals in the earth, the
geological formations have a lot to do with the energetics
and things like earthlights. So the tremendous amount of salt, iron, copper, gold,

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silver that we find along the Pyrenees creates a lot
of these energies as well. So this tobacco the Way
of the Stars ran from the end of the Pyrenees
at the Mediterranean, the easternmost point of Spain, right along
the southern base of the Pyrenees all the way to Finistera,

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which is the current end of the Santiago Path. And
it's fascinating because we find these sites established six thousand
years ago and perhaps earlier, because there are you know
what the term transhumances. It's that moving of herds across

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the land, moving of people and herds, and so these
transhumants paths moved along this same path of the Way
of the stars. So these paths were traveled we know
for sure seventeen thousand years. There's a lot of archaeological
research in this. So it's a path that goes back

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in time and is still used today by modern pilgrims
as an initiation path. And there's a connection with so
many things that we could talk about forever. The gene keys,
for instance, the sixty four codons of DNA. There are
sixty four stages in the Camino sixty four. It just

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goes on and on. It's about that number. You think
sixty four is so interesting. I discovered sixty four, of
course in the eching, but then in the chessboard and
in the design and layout of the enigmatic mystery village
of Rendla Chateau. The late nineteenth century priest Baron schair

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Sonier laid out a lot of his village when he
renovated with sixty four coatings, So sixty four tiles in
the Tor Magdala, the Tower of Magdalen, which it was
his library, sixty four segments in the guard Garden where

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that tower is placed. It just goes on and us
cycles of Venus. That the Babylonians and the Mayans were
tracing cycles of Venus eight times eight, and this was
a very important cycle for humanity and for those who
studied the stars and how it worked with the rhythms

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of the earth. So actually the Camino can be related
to the sixty four patterns of Venus.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Well, since you brought up rendla Chateau and Sonier and
the Magdalene, let's have a little chat about that, because
there's there's quite a mystery there.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
I just read about it in Lincoln's book about and
he was just a priest, a poor priest, and he
is rumored. I mean they say a lot of this
has been debunked. Now I don't know about that, but
the rumor is that he found something that made him
very rich and people had something to do with buried

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treasure from you know, the tempers or something.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
What do you know about that.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
It's so deep. It just goes on and on the mystery,
and that's a lot of that is going in book two.
So Sonier was very very smart, and the priest of
the village where I am. They're both called Wren rehn
L Chateau and Ren Leabin. The priest of this village.
Henri Boudet and Baringer Sonier were very close friends. They

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worked in concert. They were both very smart and savvy
to the within the ancient mysteries. And Boudet wrote about
it in a very coded book, and I quote him
in my book because he talks about the sixty four things. Actually,
the sixty four is coded in one of the parchments

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that were purportedly found by Sonier, perhaps and later, but regardless,
as Henry Lincoln always said to me, they contain information
that has validity. So whether it was a hoax or
it was written back then or written in the nineteen sixties,

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it doesn't even matter because there is so much mystery encoded.
And the sixty four is encoded in the serpont Rouge,
the Red Serpent document that came out of that bunch
of parchments and information from the church. So that probably
was constructed much later, but it has a lot of

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the clues. So the sixty four I discovered when I
found out that there were sixty four churches dedicated to
Mary Magdalene in Catalonia alone, which is a little section
in northeast Spain. I thought, okay, there's something going on here.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, yeah, Well you talked about a Boudet and apparently
he and two of his fellow priests died in strange
circumstances exactly.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
There were three of them, so there was it's a
triangle of villages here. So Sonier had a lot of
mystery around his death. Many believed he was poisoned, maybe
by digitalis Boudet died by mysterious suddenly now he had
cancer apparently, but there are indications that it was strange.

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There was strangeness around it. Also, both priests were questioned
by the bishop and you know, for their eccentric ways.
And the third priest in the trinity was Galis or Jalus,
of the village of Custosa, and it forms a little
local triangle, and he was everyone knows he was murdered.

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I mean, it's in the docum imitation. So they had
a lot of power, they had a lot of knowledge,
and Sonier was working. He was actively communicating with the
Hapsburgs who were in power in the whole region. A
lot of chateaus, fortifications constructed by the Habsburgs over the

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centuries they ruled this part of the Mediterranean basically, so
he was in cahoots with them, maybe with money.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Wow, it's interesting, isn't it. Do any of these old
documents still exist?

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Yeah, Henry wrote about several of them in great detail.
One of his books is called The Holy Place and
another is Key to the Sacred Pattern. And in those
two books he writes extensively on the two mainly two
parchments that were discovered. And one thing that I quote

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Henry in my first book, well a lot. Actually we
were quite close before he passed away in twenty twenty two.
In one of the parchments, I think it's Parchment two,
it talks about alpha and omega panis sal or bread
and salt. Now, yeah, yeshaha. Jesus often talked about being

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the alpha and the omega, but the feminine also spoke
about that. In the thunder Perfect Mind of the Nagamati texts,
the thunder Perfect Mind speaks about I am the first
and the last, the Alpha and Omega, and it's she
that is speaking. So, whether it's Sophia, Mary Magdalene, Mother

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Mary the first in the last so the alpha, of course,
relates to the male. The omega is the female. And
in this parchment, Henry explained to me the way the
parchment was laid out, in the words it said, alpha, bread, omega, salt.

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She is the salt sofia. It's even in the Gospel
of Philip, salt is sofia, Salt is wisdom. So for
Corpus Christie, the body of Christ is the bread. So
it just, you know, all of those things just fit together.
So it's Jesus and Mary Magdalene woven into this parchment.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Salt was once the most you know, it was currency,
wasn't It used to the women's used.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
To go Absolutely, it was so valuable. Well, salt is
so many things. It's used in alchemy. It's one of
the three prima materia. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah, Well we going to take a short break now
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and my guest today is composer Halfy singer of cross
cultural Secret Music and the pioneer in sound medicine, Williams,
and we're talking about her first non fiction book, Guardians
of the Dragon Park Ancient Temples of the Pyrenees still

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Speaker 3 (31:04):
Welcome back Annie Williams. To add some synchronicity to this
wonderful story. You've been having recurring dreams for many, many years.
Tell us a little bit about how they play into
this story, right.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
So I was quite reticent to mention my dream world
because there's so much New Age stuff channeling everywhere, and
I thought, I want to keep this believable. But I
couldn't help but reveal that it was dreams that guided
me to do the quest. First dream happened, I don't know,

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twenty some maybe twenty years ago. A voice spoke in
my dream and said, you need to light forfires. And
I saw the range of mountains, but I wasn't told
where to light the sick fires. Lighting a fire in
the way of making a sacred moment of connection with

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a site. So there I was, you know, this whole
area where I was exploring on both sides of the Pyrenees,
and I was first drawn to a site which is
a dolmen called Creudan Coobortea or the covered Cross, And
a dolmen is simply at last stone house, and it

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is the largest dolmen. So it's shaped like this, and
usually they're oriented to particular parts of the heavens, and
this one is right on the eastern end of the Pyrenees,
right on the Capti Creus, the cape of the Cross,
so it's the covered cross Dolman on the cape of
the Cross, and it became the first place where I

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lit the fire number one. And then I discovered it
was a lined to the constellation Draco when it was
created in about thirty five hundred BC, So we had
the dragon theme coming in. And it's right on the
eastern end of the Camino, the way of the Stars.
I believe it would have been a natural departure point

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for the ancient people as they moved between Stone Sanctuary
to Stone Sanctuary to Sacred Mountain, doing their rituals, connecting
with Earth and spirit, making their way across. So that
was number one. And then I had other dreams that
told me that there was a great cross established eons ago.

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Somehow I was part of this galactic team that established
this energetic cross in the Earth to create stability energetically
and benevolent energy as a region of Kohen Parents reaching
across the Pyrenees for future people migrating to the area.

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So then other dreams guided me to the other point
on the western end of the cross, So I ended
up finding megalithic settlements or dozens of megalithic sites marking
all points of the cross, all four points, so there
were four fires, and at each point there were megalithic

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sites galore, often marked with cross equal armed crosses, so
the Great Cross is equal armed. It stretches east west
at the across the base of the Pyrenees, the Old
Way of the Stars, the modern Camino, and the north
south dragon Line meridian forms the spine.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
You also, I mean, you've given us a picture which
we're showing a mini about the Dolmen in Minorca.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
What was special about that one?

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Well, I wanted to research Majorca and Minorca because of
its situation at the southern end of the meridian, the
Paris Meridian, the Dragon Line, and I discovered a lot
of sites called dragons in the area, dragon caves, dragon coves,
and then of course the Dragon Island and Menorca. It

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has a lot of geological abnormalities that attracted ancient people.
It has over one thousand megalithic sites, stone structures, sacred structures.
The most unusual of those are the T shaped stone
pillars that are exactly like the ones that go Backley

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Tepee and Karhan Tepe in Turkey. So I started researching
these towels. They're called which is just a Catalan word
for table. We don't know what the ancient people called them,
but they were ceremonial sites and they had alignments to
the stars. So at all these places I was discovering,
there were alignments to either the northern stars or the

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southern stars, or solstice points, and sometimes all three things
in one site.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
You know, going back to.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
One of the guy what was his name that you mentioned,
Henry Lincoln, No, the other guy. Yes, I made a
note about something there that said that there was a
something to do with.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
The zodiac pattern of thirteen signs.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Oh yes, okay, yeah, yeah, so part of the priory
of psion mysteries and the parchment mysteries see a zodiac
in the landscape. In Boudet's Cromlea, so he saw the
natural formations of rock structures, which I mean I could

(37:05):
send you images of They look like huge manyirs, you know,
twenty five feet tall, but they're natural in the landscape.
Plus there were humanly made manyirs placed as well. But
his Cromlek was mostly made up of these natural menhirs
circling the area of ren Laban, which is the eastern end,

(37:28):
is on the Meridian, and a salt river speaking of
salt being sacred running right through. And it wasn't actually
Boudet who spoke about the zodiac. He was speaking about
the Cromlech, but the Cromlech becomes understood as a zodiac
according to some of the Priory of p Sscion beliefs.

(37:51):
And the story is that the Templars, well, we know
the templars were in the region. They were at each
end of this valley. They were in the Chateau, they
were in Blanchefort, which is at the entrance to the valley,
and they were up on Bayzoo over closer to the south.
The templars were here, we know that. And they were

(38:13):
bringing back things from the Holy Land. We know they
were excavating at the Alaska Mosque underneath Solomon's Temple, et cetera.
So there are a lot of symbols in the region
that are carved, and you know stories and legends about
the templars bringing treasure here. There are stories about the
Visigoths when they sacked Rome, bringing that treasure to this area,

(38:38):
to Tolosa to Lose which is right near us. The
Visigoths were here as well. I mean, we could go
way back into treasure stuff. But the idea of the
zodiac is really in this circle of the stones of
this valley.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Is there a belief that there is still treasure to
be found.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Yeah, So over the years, Rendless Chateau has been a
red herring for treasure seekers. They're always coming and digging.
I mean, we have so many tunnels under Rendless Chateau,
and some of them are ancient you know, escape routes,
and some of them are cisterns, and some of them
are more modern diggers. But the whole idea of treasure

(39:20):
is really I think a red herring for the treasure
of the heart and the treasure of discovery being on
the quest of the spirit. So for me, that's what
this place is. It's a quest of discovery of how
the earth and ourselves are working together. The elements in
our bodies and the elements in the earth are communicating

(39:43):
the stones and us, and you know, I think we're
coming back to what we once knew, what the ancient
people knew.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
So and of course that whole area is very connected
to the Magdillen. Tell me what you know about that,
because this is just a I mean, it's a huge topic.
It's hard to know what to pick out of your
book to talk about. But you know, people are always visiting,
you know, wanting to spread where they feel she told.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Right, And I tend to like to go to places
where people haven't been trekking very much. And so I
didn't really talk too much about rend La Chateau in
my first book because so many other people are and
the other Magdalen sites in southern France. I found more
sites dedicated to Mary Magdalene actually in Catalonia and across

(40:37):
northern Spain. So sixty four of her sites right, not
only right around the Paris meridian, but going across the
other way as well, and I map all of them
out on the maps in my book and talk about
a lot of it. They were what they were marking.

(40:57):
Some of the sites were surrounded by templar sites. One
of the Magdalen sites that's really primary on the ancient
way of the stars was forming along with the templar
sites surrounding her site. In the center a six pointed
star or a seal of Solomon, So going right through

(41:19):
to the right down to Majorca, Magdalen sites, all the
way up the meridian, across the Pyrenees Magdalen sites. The
most well known, of course, rend the Chateau, but it's
not right on the meridian. It's just to the west.
But we have Magdalen sites to the north of us.

(41:40):
There's a site right on the meridian called bell Costell
in the Avonne district, so maybe three hours drive north
of here, a Magdalen chapel established in the ninth century
and a castle constructed right round it, right on the meridian.

(42:02):
I mean, it's just right there. And then we go
north and we find them. Of course, around Paris. I
think one of the most interesting things is the amount
of Magdalen sites, not only in Catalonia on the eastern
end of the Camino, but on the western end. In

(42:25):
northwestern Spain. I found at least ninety four Magdalen churches chapels,
and even peninsula is named for her. Some of the
villages still carry on her traditions and every year they
have huge celebrations in her honor. So she's you know,

(42:47):
people don't hear about a site called Yannis on the
Galician coastline. But you know, she's honored there is at
least as much as she is in France.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Is there any evidence at all that she actually lived
in Funes after the Crucifixion.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Well, so many legends, and we I mean just legend
upon legend, and some of the earliest Christian writers churchmen
writing about her presence in France mainly legends though that
we have a tremendous amount of sites named for her
and legends of her coming not only to Provence, which

(43:29):
is the more well known site around Marseille and Saint
Marie de la Maire and some maximim some Boon, but
we also have legends of her coming into Actine, came
borders on the Pyrenees and the Atlantic. So in my

(43:50):
first book, I theorize and I have a map of
that Galician coast in the Bay of Biscay, where I
theor that she very well could have traveled along the river,
the Garonne River and traveled through that sea coast where
so many sites are named for her, I mean much

(44:14):
more than in France. It's extraordinary, and so I believe
that she came there, But there's no absolute proof.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
You you were having many, many dreams. I mean, you've
been having dreams for two or three decades.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
No, my whole life. You had some.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Dreams about the Egyptian he Lowermost Stone.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Oh, yes, yeah, I think I call that chapter black stone,
calling I had a repeating dream. If we have a
repeating dream, it usually means something in our own psychology
and our psyche that we need to pay attention to,
or something that we're about to discover. And in my case,
I mean, I always grow for what I discovered. But

(45:01):
it was part of the quest, and I kept dreaming
about visiting an old monastery that became a museum and
being shown a black stone. Oh, I can't remember the dimensions,
maybe five feet by three feet and inscribed with Egyptian hieroglyphs.
And in the dream I was told two words Kaba

(45:27):
Kappa the Coba stone of Mecca or the Kaba of
the bodies that are the Etheric travelers. I mean, what
was it? So it was a grand adventure that led
me to the Palermo Stone in Palermo, Sicily in the
museum there that is actually from Egypt. It's one of

(45:50):
the main pieces of the old stone that was the
first inscribed mention of the kaba opening of the mouth
ritual that was done with the Pharaoh for the afterlife journey.
It just the journey just goes on and on, and

(46:10):
ultimately it led me to the center of the Great Cross,
a little tiny chapel in the middle of the Pyrenees
that I had never heard of. I've never heard of
anyone talk about it. And it happened to have a
painting over the altar of Magdalena's k or kaba rising

(46:34):
out of her body. And yes, you were Jesus catching
catching her etheric body, and that's really unusual painting. You
just don't see that. You don't usually see her on
her deathbed, and especially you don't see her with her
k second body, etheric body emanating out of her mouth.

(46:57):
So it all just started falling together. So it's a
round adventure.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
He's a great adventure.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
I love that you mentioned the and to get through
a mechanism, because the first time I heard about that,
I felt such a poor towards it. And it's just
absolutely fascinated me. And of course they now believe this
was some kind of you know, early computer right, very
much connected to navigating by the stars.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Exactly, and there were gears and wheels that were for
the planets, the stars, and so for navigators across the Mediterranean.
This is a great tool, and it was discovered right
near the Isle of Rhoads. And the Isle of Rhodes
was one of the greatest centers of hermetic academies. The

(47:48):
or o fight schools of healing. O fight from the serpent,
the old word for serpent Greek. And so.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
There's the dragon again.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Absolutely, the serpents and dragons are fairly interchangeable in ancient
mythology and traditions. One of the important things to mention
is the Isle of Rhodes. The people of Rhodes came
and established their temples and their traditions in Iberia or
Spain along the Mediterranean, so we have those traditions of healing.

(48:25):
The serpent was related to wisdom, healing, medicine. All the
great healers of Sclepius, Hygia, they all had their serpents, Hermes,
et cetera. So they brought all of these traditions and
a lot of the sites in Iberia were named Ophiusa,
which is a clue that those Ophite traditions came and

(48:48):
established their schools and traditions and temples there.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yeah, the synchronicises just go on and on and on.
One of them that made me smile was you wrote
about I'm not quite sure if I'm pronouncing this right,
that the priest and scholar Ficino, the what Ficina, a
chap called Ficino, who was a priest in Ficino.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Ficino. Yes, yes, Marsilio Ficino.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
Yes, and he did exactly what you do.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Yes. I love Ficino. I love his work was so pioneering.
So he was working under Cosmo Medici in Florence, Italy.
He was in charge of the Neoplatonic Academy there, and
he was a churchman, but he was also a scholar
and into astronomy, astrology and medicine, and he uh translated.

(49:43):
He was the first to translate the hermetic traditions that
Corpus Hermeticum into Latin. So it brought all of those again.
Much later in the fifteen or fourteen hundreds, the hermetic
body of knowledge into Europe. That had come much as well.
But he's doing, like you say, along with the Pythagoreans,

(50:06):
doing what I'm doing. With the sound of medicine, working
with the star patterns, the sounds, the harp.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
Yeah, were you surprised when you came across.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
That, You know, all kinds of bells and whistles went off.
You know how that feels when you find something.

Speaker 8 (50:23):
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, So tell us, I mean you have,
You've been creating all kinds of music on this journey,
music at you know, different places.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
Tell us about that.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Yeah, so during the quests, Well, when I go to
an ancient site, if I don't have my hearp, I
at least sing at the site. So I at first
I listen. I listened to the site. I ask for
dominant tones that might put one in connection with that
site and its purpose. It's energies. So I'm an intuitive

(51:00):
so I listen. I hear things, I hear melodies, I
hear tones, and so these became songs of the sites.
And I ended up calling it a camino de cancione
or a path of songs, because everywhere I was going,
I was bringing a very small harp and my voice
normally sometimes a little dragon flute like an oakarina that

(51:23):
I play, and there was always some sort of music
at each site, and it became a lot of them
became songs. There are many many more that never really materialized,
but you know, were just for the moment. But this
path of songs, I couldn't just write a four hundred
page book, right, I had to read a double music album.

(51:46):
And also it's called the same title as the book,
Guardians of Dragon Path Album. It's a double album of
songs that were inspired at all of the sites that
I visited. Along with that, we filmed videos at the
site so Goose with fourteen videos as well.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
So do you sell that as a kind of set
pick package.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Yeah. Yeah, it's listed in the back of the book
and so tell us about what it is, and there's
a handy little QR code that people can use to connect.
So yeah, it was an amazing project because you know,
filming at these sites was an extra quest and we
were doing it right before the publishing of the book,

(52:34):
so it was you know, running up these mountains and
being out of breath, trying to talk about the Magdalen
Church and always taking my harp. And one of the
sites that we did a lot of the videos at, well,
we did one for the Great Dolmen of Coberteja, the
Covered Cross Doman, and we did a couple at Empurias.

(52:57):
Empurius was a center of Greek culture and then later Roman,
so we had a Scleppian healing temples, Isis Temple, Serapis Temple,
and all along the coast, also Artemis temples. But we
did a lot of filming right around Empurius because it's
on this beautiful rocky coast of the Mediterranean with the

(53:19):
temple ruins behind, and it's very romantic.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
We're almost out of time now, but tell me, so,
where are you going next?

Speaker 5 (53:29):
What's the next top?

Speaker 4 (53:31):
I'm very excited. So I just finished an eight day
quest to the north to I mentioned it briefly, the
Mediolan Lanum or Middle Earth, and I'm working with an
astrophysicist in England who is able to find patterns in
the landscape with a computer program. And it's not random,

(53:52):
it's He was able to find two seven pointed stars
in the landscape of Mediolanu Middle geographical center. So we're
working with a cross again geographical center of France where
the Celts had their center and the Druids. So two
seven pointed stars, two five pointed stars in a hextagram.

(54:15):
So I went to those points, went to as many
points as I could. I reached quite a few of
them with my music, with this idea of honoring the sites.
Each of the points was a medieval chapel or sometimes
a dolmen. So that's going in book two.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
Arnie Williams, what a life you leave. Thank you for
joining us today. Can I come along and carry you backs?

Speaker 4 (54:41):
That would be great, Sandy, Thank you so much for
joining us.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
It's an amazing book, it really is.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
It's you know, it's not something you can just sit
down and really, you know, you've got to really really
say that. This book little all in a churn around.
So Guardians at the Dragon Park. It is a trilogy,
and I don't know when the second one will be out,
but you know, got to read the first one first,
and that's going to take some time. If you want
more information about Arnie's work, then you can visit her

(55:09):
website Arnie Williams dot com Williams dot com and you
can learn about her CDs, her bioacoustic medicine practice, voice
spectrum analysis, and but give yourself some time because there's
some wonderful blog posting you. You know, if you start
reading those you won't come out for a few hours,

(55:30):
a few weeks.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
I'm Sandy said.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
I'll be back at the same time next week with
another edition of What Is going On. Until then, it's
goodbye from me and thank you again to Arnie Williams.

Speaker 9 (55:41):
Thank you, Sandy

Speaker 7 (56:37):
S.

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