Reclaiming the Healing Power of the Sacred Woman with Christine Page

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to what is going on for New Thought from
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Here is your host, Sandy Sedgeber.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Hello. Four thousand years ago, women were seen as living
representatives of the Great Mother, whose cyclical and potent energy
gave birth to all existence. Today, this sacred awareness has
been lost or distorted, causing a collective amnesia among women
around the world. However, according to this week's guest, there

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is one symbol of the Great Mother's loving presence that
has remained unchanged for tens of thousands of years, and
that's our physical body. Christine Page, MD has been a
pioneer in the field of holistic health care for over
four decades. Known as a mystical physician, her own highly

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attuned intuitive gifts allow her to not only psychically interact
with clients, but also with light beings across the dimensions,
including those within the Nature World. The author of nine books,
including Frontiers of Health, The Heart of the Great Mother,
and The Healing Power of the Sacred Woman, Doctor Christine

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Paige joins me now to explain the many ways this
amnesia has affected us, including how female illnesses represent a
disconnection from our true identity as women, why sex is
a natural process of unification where women take the lead,
similar to the ancient sacred priestesses, and how to enhance

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our well being by reconnecting to sacred womanhood, and much more.
Dr Christine Page are welcome.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Thank you so much, Sandy. It's wonderful to be with
you and your audience.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
So Christine, and you're an intuitive from birth. You were
raised among healers and psychics. You became a medical doctor
in nineteen seventy eight. You specialized in pediatrics, obstetrics and gynecology.
You created one of the first integrative health centers within British,
the British NHS, and you founded a holistic private practice

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which included homeopathy, iridology, energy medicine and counseling. That was
pretty advanced thinking back in the seventies and eighties. I
remember because I was there, so was it an intentional
game plan or had you always seen healing as self centered?

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, that's a great question, and I always have to
start with saying I was brought up, first of all,
with a very strong matriarchal society. My mother was Scottish
and I had Scottish ancestors, and I always was around
these intuitive women that were known as fay, which means wise,
and she would tell stories of how she would be

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in the kitchen and all the leaders in her community
would come and speak to her mother and ask advice.
And I think that idea of these wise women and
this very strong love of women by men was very
important to me because I never saw any abuse of
women in my childhood, appreciating that that isn't true of

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many women unfortunately in the world today, but it meant
that I came from this strong background where I was
also amongst healers and mediums and homeopaths as a child
and thought this was just normal. So I think that
it wasn't so much a game plan as I went forward.
It was clearly a soul game plan to say, Okay,

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this is what we're going to do. And I think
because I didn't see any the abuse that is as
I say, out there in the world, I was allowed
to experience the love of being feminine, the love of
my physical body, and also to see where that went
out of balance with so many women and good in myself,

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I will say, but you know they are ourselves with
other people.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, you know, I think you've frozen up there, Christine.
I don't know whether we've still got you, but hopefully
you'll come back in a minute, and I'll ask my question. Anyway.
My question, in case you can hear this and only
have sound, is the fact that you went into Western medicine.
I'm curious about that. You know, did you do that? Hello,

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we lost Christine back then. Yes, okay, I don't know
what happened, But you froze then again and we lost you.
So I don't think you heard the question that I asked.
You know, why did you choose to become, you know,
to study Orthodox medicine, Because if you've had access to
all this wisdom, you know, the psychic abilities, the intuitive

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abilities that you've had, you were already pretty well versed
in you know, the body as you know, the whole person.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
And so I always like to say that that was
one of those higher self decisions because in truth, one
of my problems of being so psychically aware and I
could see people's energy. I could feel people's energy from
the moment I was born, but I also was taking
on a lot of their suffering and their challenges. And
I didn't know as a child that you were supposed

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to have some good boundaries. So what happened was that
I actually experienced their pain. And the last thing I
wanted to do was actually be around people who had
more pain or who were suffering. And so initially I
was very seen to be very shy. My mother would
kind of push me forward and say stop being so shy,
and I would say, well, look, I'm seeing all these

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sub personalities. I don't know who I'm talking to. And
then in my teenage years, I started just to faint.
I thought that was one way away from people's suffering.
And of course the choice to be a doctor was crazy,
because you couldn't faint in an operating theater or anything else.
But I was. I was being asked to go ahead
and do this job, and only afterwards did I learn.

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First of all, I learned how to have healthy boundaries,
and also being a doctor's open doors to things that
I could never have gone into around the world. I
had offered places, you know, to really meet people at
because of being a doctor. And also it gave me
that prestige of being able to to practice other complimentary medicines.

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But I have to say I love being a doctor.
I loved holding a baby. I delivered thousands of babies.
I loved working in pediatrics. I loved working in er
a and E. I mean, I love the idea of
being so present at times of people's births and deaths
and in their most moments of crisis. So you know,

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to me, I would never have got that had I
not been a doctor.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Did it come as a huge shock to you? I mean,
suddenly you're being exposed to people who've had all kinds
of traumas, including you know, sexual traumas, abuse, etc. I
mean that must have not only been painful for you
as a you know, psychic and an EmPATH, but it
must have shaken your worldview in a way because you'd

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grown up with none of that.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Well, you know obviously from something inside me, past lives,
et cetera. It didn't. And I think, first of all,
I also had a lot of deaths in my family
so you know, people died. I thought people all died
around fifty or sixty. I was surprised that anybody lived longer.
So I really get used to deaths. But I think

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I have been in the wit. I have witnessed such
horrendous traumas and abuses. But I have to say that
what I think it allowed me to do is not
to judge. So yes, there was a part of me,
and I think there came from my mother's side, which
would have wanted to go out and you know, I

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have to say kill someone who had hurt someone who
was so beautiful. But I actually had to learn to
step back and not judge, but deal with the situation
as it was and help the individual who was Both
was traumatized and sometimes the traumatizer.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
In your essis to the healing. How sacred woman. You
share that while you were writing this book, you developed
breast cancer. Yes, and though the diagnosis propelled you into
the chaos that you most feared, you couldn't go along
with the popular belief that you were being attacked by
an outside invader, and you refuse to do battle with

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your body. In fact, you saw that diagnosis as a
bit of a love letter from your soul tell us
a little bit about that timely illustration of how female
illnesses represent a disconnection from our true identity as a woman.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
So first I wanted to say that as a holistic
medical the first question I always ask anybody is what
was going on when you got sick? And I am
just amazed that that is not the first message that
is given to our medical students or our nursing students,
are complimentary practitioners, what was going on? Because in all
the years I've been practicing now as a holistic practitioner,

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I've had people who have no spiritual knowledge, if one
wants to look at it that way, say I know
why I have cancer, I know why I have had
a heart attack, And I think, if you know, why
are we not listening to you? And so the reason
that I asked that question was to myself was what
was going on when I developed breast cancer? And I

(10:21):
will say I developed breast cancer. Didn't happen to me?
Was I was writing that book, the book that you're
talking about, and I came to the chapter on breast cancer,
and I thought, I don't want to sound as if
I'm this doctor who's telling people how to how to
deal with such a sensitive subject. So what happens, Literally

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a week after I sent the book to the publisher,
I developed breast cancer. And it's like, oh, there's a
cosmic joke. Because in the time that I did have
surgery in radiotherapy, I rewrote that chapter and I sent
it back to the pub at the end of my radiotherapy,
and they then put it at the front of the book.

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Now that was one piece of it. The second piece
was that when I develop breast cancer, I said to myself,
because this is what I said, Wow, my soul must
really love me because I've developed breast cancer. In other words,
it had to get through to me at such a
deep level. I wouldn't have listened, as many of us

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don't until something like cancer comes along. So I don't
see illness as a problem. I see it as a
message from the soul, a soul ocean, and so I
try in everything I teach, it's not about attacking the illness.
It's saying, wow, this is a message I need to

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stop and listen to why my soul feels that something
needs to change. And what needed to change was that
one of the messages everybody talks about with breast cancer
is oh, you need to love yourself more, And that
could have been, well, are you going to have more massages?
You take time out? And I realized that I that
was such a learning for me. It wasn't that I

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didn't love myself. I'd lost the self that needed loving.
And that's that's the way to put it. That's cancer.
We are so invested in other people's lives. And because
I was so psychic, I knew what you needed. I
knew how to meet your needs. In fact, I jumped

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in before you even needed knew you needed something. But
I didn't believe my needs were important. And that's what
I saw cancer was about.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I think we've lost Christine again. We have lost Christine.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
You sorry, I don't know what is happening here, So
it happens.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
You know what I've had. I've had six weeks of
you know, technology issues, so I'm no stranger to it.
What I wanted to ask you was that you know
the book focuses on organs and tissues that are associated
with feminine chakras, and you say that these centers not
only aligned with the unique anatomical features of a woman,

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but also the shakras you find are more frequently out
of harmony due to the chronic disconnection from feminine consciousness,
not just in women, but men too. But of course,
you know this book is primarily focusing on women. So
what are some of the conditions of female imbalance?

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Okay? So I used just to say I use the
chakras because I see them as windows to the soul.
And I you know, I was brought up with Alice
Bailey teachings and that's really where I came through. She
talks a lot about the charkras, and it made sense
to me because I wanted to understand how what the
energy is behind an illness before someone gets sick, and

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people say, you know, say, well, can you diagnose an illness?
I say, I'm not interested in that. I could do
that medically. I want to tell you what's going on
in your body before the body has to express itself
as an illness, and that to me makes sense. You
know what's happening inside the body before that. So I
use the charkras in that way. But the primary we

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talked about seven primary chakras. There are also two which
I know we'll get into. One of them, which is
the root charkra that we need to talk about, which
is beneath our feet, and there's another one star child
above our heads. But the two or all the sharkras
involved with feminine energy, but one of the ones that
we would say is most involved with it is that

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sacral charkra, which is where the uterus lives and where
we've got that energy going through. The sacral charkra is
also linked to the throat charkra. So often we get
problems in our throat when we really need to be
looking at the problems in our sacral charkra. I'll make
it as simple as that. So someone who's got thyroid

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issues or something in their throat needs to look at
their sacral charkra because that's where the wounding is often carried.
So let's just take an example. Let's say fibroids on
my owners as some countries call it. This is a
benign growth in the womb. Many women have fibroids and
they disappear once you stop taking estrogen or estrogen in

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your body body ie after menopause. But every time someone
comes to me with a fibroid, I will say who
takes care of you? And with that, the person starts
to cry. The woman starts to cry because nobody's taking
care of her. She's taking care of everybody else, and

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they're all living in this womb, and they're all expecting
her to do the washing and to do everything else.
And so in the healing that I do, whether the
person needs a you know, the fibroid removed or not,
we first have to make space. So I say, let's
get rid of the in laws, the outlaws, the children
who bring their washing home, the husband who you hate.

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I mean, it's like clear the decks because women used
to have space. Now they're out there multicaptasking in a
horrendous way, jobs, children, family. Women haven't actually let go
of taking care of people. They just put more of them,
the more in their needs. And that's where the fiboids
are showing up.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, Do you find that certain specific situations, conditions with
the person married to different cancers like cervic cancer or
you know, you've already talked about fibroids, but would you
expect to see something different going on with someone with
cervical cancer exactly.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Now, the cervix. So one of the ways I come
back to my chakras, and this is what I see
as a sort of sacred temple for women. So at
the entry point of that sacred temple is the vulva
that connects to the base chakra. And in my meditations,
and I know, you know, we'll be mentioning some of
my courses, but in the meditation I do in about

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the sacred temple, I say, who is the guardian of
your sacred temple? And I call them like the bouncer
who's at the door of your sacred temple? And in
all the women I've worked with, they say, there's nobody there.
So it's like people are just wandering.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
In and out.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
I think because nobody's told us that we should actually
be seeing our body as a sacred vessel and that
people shouldn't wander in and out. We should make sure
that only those that respect our body, respect us, love us,
support us. I'm actually there to share. So as you
go in, you have the vagina, which I always say
is like the corridor leading into a church. And then

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you get to the cervix, and the cervix is you
need a guardian of your cervix because it's the sacred
door into your inner sanctum, which is the womb. And
once again I find that people have no idea that
that inner sanctum, which you know, when I'm working with
younger people, I might call the heart rather than the womb.
You know, who is getting into your heart? Who are

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you allowing to abuse you and use you and disrespect you?
And so cervical cancer. Cevical cancer is so much associated
with not having good boundaries and not being able to
say no. And again, cancers overall have a difficulty saying no.
People like myself who can have had cancer, we'll say, oh, yes,

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and then afterwards we're going, why am I doing that?
We're such pleasers. So that what I learned when I
develop breast cancer was to at least not say no,
but at least I could say I'll think about it.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, that's a good one, isn't it. Teach yourself if
nothing else to say that.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, I mean, just you know, I yes, no, it
is too hard to say, let me think about it.
I'll come back to you. And you absolutely know you're
going to say no. But this is giving you a chance.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, step in stones. Now, you say that women are
the foundation of the birth of new levels of consciousness,
without which the evolution of humanity will become barren and dry.
Yet such birth can only occur when women have the
courage to reject the beliefs and images of the feminine

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imposed upon us over the last four thousand years and
reclaim our identity. Say a little bit about the background
to all of that.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
So, four thousand years ago women, and before that long
in history, what we're understanding from the artwork and other
things we're learning, we lived together in communities, men and women,
and that women had, you know, the ability to give
birth to a child if they wanted to. And again, wow,
how far are we away from that? It wasn't oh,

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I've got to take some protection. It was Hm, this month,
I'm going to give birth to a baby. Next month,
I'm going to give birth to a project. You know,
we are so far from our intentionality about our creation
that we have to protect ourselves from something that might
happen that we don't want anyway, that's another story. So
what women did is that we weren't necessarily married one

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to one person. We could have sex with anybody, and
any man could have any sex with anybody. But what
happened was that we knew who we knew we were
the mother of that child, but we didn't know who
the father of the child was. And so what happened
was that we could say to the men, I'm sorry,
I'm going to pass all my money and power and

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space and everything I own through my child, but you
get nothing. And guess what every battle against women has
been about land and property in title, she was about
thirty five hundred years ago that men suddenly said, okay,
we've got a new plan. No sex before marriage. You

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belong to me, and everything that you have passes down
through me to the children. And that's when women started
and there was there was really the knowledge that women
now belong to a man rather.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
And so we have another little freeze. So I'm just
going to read a little bit of quote from Christine's book.

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We said, when woman was made in the image of
the Great Mother, no detail was denied. Ancient people showed
great reverence for the female figure by crafting the wonderful
venas statuettes some twenty to thirty thousand years ago. And
of course we've found lots and lots of artifacts that
you know, represent fertility and fecunderty, and it's all women.

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We don't see that many of these artifacts about men.
So you know, that's an interesting point to ponder. But
fast forward to today where we find I'm just reading
Christine a little bit about what you said about when
woman was made in the image of the Great Mother,
and you said that, fast forward to today where we

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find that too many curves are definitely not in vogue, unless,
of course, we're talking about the breasts which have become
a particular object of sexual fascination. You know, that made
me think about today. I mean, we went You and
I have lived through the sixties. We know that. You know,
back then it was all androgyny. You had to be skinny,

(23:07):
like you know, triggy, and you didn't really curves weren't
in Since then, that's all changed. And right now we
have this situation where young girls are following their heroes
on Instagram who have you know, exaggerated lips, exaggerated butts,

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exaggerated boobs, et cetera. And it seems like we're kind
of going backwards in a way to presenting the essence
of femininity as only something that men are going to
want and be attracted to.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
It makes me concerned about, you know, the girls of today.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, exactly exactly. You know, one of the people will
say to me, oh, well, haven't we got a lot
of women who are in power places, And I go, no,
they are many men. Okay. So I want to say,
is that when I hear a woman and then coming
back to my sacre chakra, when I hear a woman
speaking from up here and she's just speaking like this
and then there's no intonation and there's no tone, I go,

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you've lost your connection to the womb, which is when
someone speaks in this way, and I know, now she's
a real woman. And I think that what we're also
doing in the same way as you're talking about, is
we're losing that connection that women are being told how
to look. And I was amazed when I was actually
in the breast cancer unit that there was a magazine

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sitting there saying how to have the right curves to
attract your men, And it was like, oh my god,
what are you doing. And the idea that we are
seeing the physical body as just the how we want
to appear for a man to be attracted towards us,
rather than recognizing that everything we are is it's his.

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He has to light us up. And I know, we're
going to speak about this later, but basically, we're not
here to attract him. He's here good enough, we're not
going to let him into our Well.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Isn't it true that many species, especially birds, you know,
I mean, it's the male that has, you know, all
the color and the plumage, and it's his job to
attract the females to him. While you were gone, I said,
isn't it true that, you know, in nature, it's usually
the male of the species, the bird whatever, that has
the incredible plumage and you know, all of the things

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designed to attract the woman.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yes, exactly, exactly, And that's people don't understand that. That's
why the peacock has all its feathers. You know, it's
like saying, pick me, pick me. Look, I'm not you know,
I'm not infected. You're absolutely right. And you know the
other part that we we haven't quite mentioned on is
the virgin mother chrone, the three faces, and the virgin

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is this, you know, the one who's got the inspiration
and the kind of one that is often sought. The
mother is the one that takes care. Oh yeah, we're
all happy with the virgin and the mother, but hey,
who's going to take on board the krone energy. That's
what the patriarchy are scared of, because the krone is
the one that brings about the true transformation. So without

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that honoring that feminine transformative energy, the humanity can move
any further forward. And that's what you were talking about earlier.
Is it's why we have a virgin mother Mary, a
mother Mary. But we got rid of Mary Magdalene, who
is the crone Mary, so we just say, okay, we
don't have that chrone energy. And I have to tell you,

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I've been around a lot of women who are terrified
of that word chrone, saying, oh, we can't use the
word chrone. We're going to call it wise. We're gonna no,
it's a destructive Carly Lilith energy that's coming to get
you and it will transform you whether you like it
or not.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
And it's very wise. And I would imagine, you know,
it is no longer so willing to be dictated to,
you know, by the patrinarchy.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yes, And that's you know, it's interesting that today we're
doing this this talk because Lilith was right on this
new Moon and she is saying we need to stop
abusing women, not just in the terrible ways we're seeing it,
but also how we abuse ourselves as women. And one
of the questions I ask is, what were you taught
as a child about being a woman. And of course

(27:35):
it's like, you know, women should be submissive, women should
we have these awful messages inside us as women about
what it means to be this gorgeous, curvacious, sexy being.
And we were told, no, that's you know, we've got
terrible words for it. You know, that's being a whore,
that's being a prostitute. It's like, wow, we have to
move on from some of this. And when people look

(27:57):
at just to say, when they look at the mytholo
of the Romans and Greeks, that's too recent. If you're
going to tell me about real women, it has to
be a mythology that goes back beyond that thirty five
hundred years, because otherwise it is totally patriarchally taught that
women are whatever. You know.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I was absolutely fascinated when in your book you talked
about how the words have been you know, distorted over
the years. You know, when the women were the priestesses
and it was a holy, sacred thing, you know, for
them to make love with a man, and it was
a gift as well to the man. And then it

(28:37):
gets you know, tainted. And the word car lot, which
came from a French word which meant something completely different
in the beginning. And the word pudendum. Yes, yes, I
mean that's amazing that the original word is it pudeer?
I think the original Latin word meant shameful?

Speaker 5 (28:59):
Right right?

Speaker 2 (29:01):
You know who creates these words? Who has all of
this on us?

Speaker 3 (29:06):
I know, I know, and and it's in our belief system,
and so it's really important for us to go, wow,
where is this coming from? And as I say, you
can't even look back, I will say, look back seven generations.
We know we can't look back seven generations. We have
to look back much further. And the answers are in
our body. It's like, what is it my body wants

(29:27):
to bring forth? And one of the parts of that
Uterus that I was mentioning is the power transformation. And
I just want to say is that women are transformers.
And so when we meet someone, especially a man, we
say I love you. Now change. So women are constantly
taking into their bodies the emotions of their people around them.

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This is one of their functions, which is to then
take that emotion in, take it down to the uterus,
shed it during a period. And why they're doing that
is saying, now I've cleaned you up, go change. But
nobody teaches a woman that that's what she's doing during
a period. They say, oh, that's the curse, that's the
bad thing, or used to No, this is this is

(30:12):
my power time. I am so powerful during that time
that that is what my gift to you is, I
will clean you up so you can change. And just
to say if your postman apausal, the dark moontime, which
we're just in at this time around the new moon,
is the time when we also do that cleansing, both
of ourselves and our loved ones.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
I loved your description when you were talking about you know,
and young girls need to know this, you know, about
the whole cycle, especially around you know, the time of
their periods and what is actually going on. You know,
when they think that they're having all of these mood swings,
you know they're actually clearing.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yes, and that is nobody's telling them that their womb
is this cleanser. Yes, And so one of the things
we have to clear out of our womb, as I say,
is in laws or outlaws, all of those, but also
who are the people you think should change and they've
wandered into your womb and you're trying to help them
to change. They don't want to change. They want to
stay there as they are. So it's like getting rid

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of all those people who youth are trying to help,
or those old emotions that you've cleaned off someone else
because that's what you thought your purpose was. And the
last group you have to get rid of this of
the vampires. And the vampires are the ones who creep
in along that corridor I was describing and who make
you feel small and abuse you. And they can be

(31:33):
men or women, and I think that we don't always
appreciate that when someone says, oh, I love being around
your energy. You'll make me feel so good. They're vampiring us.
So you know, I just say that one of my
images because I'm British, is to lift up a drawbridge
over your moat and saying shut the door. And if

(31:54):
you shut the door and they get angry, you know
they've been stealing your energy and that's what you have
to stop.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
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the field of holistic healthcare, Christine Paige, MD, and were
discuss in her book The Healing Power of the Sacred Woman.
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Speaker 2 (36:10):
Welcome back, doctor Christine Page. Let's talk about sex. Yes, now,
I'm going to read something you wrote. You said that
violations of sacred womanhood go back more than three thousand years,
when sexuality and spirituality became separated, and a woman's naked body,
especially her genital organs, came to represent a dirty and

(36:33):
evil force that had retained at all costs. That just
makes me smile. I'm sorry. The consequences of such a
long standing collective desocration of all things feminine and major
factors in today's epidemic of rape and sexual abuse, sexual harassment,
perverse pornography, and female genital mutilation, not to mention the

(36:57):
exploitation of Mother Earth her self. I want you to
talk about that because we are seeing this backward step
where it appears that women are, you know, being erased.
In some cultures, there's attempts to erase women altogether, you know,
keep them covered up, don't show anything at all. Rapis

(37:20):
on the increase, you know, violence is on the increase.
What do you have to say about.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
That has such a huge subject. As you know, my
mind is boggling it. Or the tremendous abuse that's happening. Yeah,
you know, we've talked about some of that, which is
we have to start educating women and their children and

(37:47):
their grandchildren about the beautiful body they have and that
this is not to be shared with someone who does
not respect them. And I use that word respect because
it's linked to the sacred chakra. What I say is,
I don't care if you love me or like me,
but you will respect me. And I think that, you know,

(38:09):
consider the lilies of the field. Respect is the basics
of everything. So I always say, you know you will
honor me at you know, really what's happening so that respect,
I don't think. I don't think we watch that amongst
families where there's no respect between how someone talks to
someone else or how someone might touch someone else. That

(38:31):
respect is so deeply lost. And yet I use that
the same word of do we respect mother Earth? As
you say, do we respect the gifts that we're getting?
But also the way in which we communicate. We seem
you know, social media has taken us to a place
where we communicate with disrespect. We say terrible things to

(38:53):
each other and think we it's okay to do that,
and we need to say stop, that's not okay, that
is not okay to disrespect me. We will not go further.
So I'm saying that's the first step there. The way
in which the whole body is being looked at is something,
as you say, people almost like showing parts of their

(39:15):
body on social media that should never be seen by
someone else because they think that this is the only
way they're going to get love. Is such a degrading
message to men and women. And the fact even the
very act of sex. Can I just speak about that
because it is that women, when we are trained to

(39:38):
actually be the vessel of transformation, to have a people
know about the kundalini, this wonderful energy that kind of
rises up taking ourselves to our crown sharka, to our
spiritual evolution, and that that was the training of women
was how do I not literally physically carry my partner
up there, but how do I the essence of my

(40:01):
partner up there's kundalini, this serpentine ladder in order for
them to experience their wholeness. And then we give birth
to that so that they can experience their life here
on this plane. So a woman was seen as this
sacred vessel that men if I'm going to use men,
but men needed in order to experience their spiritual wholeness.

(40:23):
I mean, that was it. But that was so degrading
to men that they then took it is there's nothing
important about women. I can do this without you, and
you will do it in my way. And the fact is,
as I was saying, is the more a woman is
excited sexually, sentially excited lit up by her partner, the

(40:45):
more she has this power to draw and draw them
up that ladder to experience their wholeness. So a woman
having sex with somewhere when she is not turned on,
or even if I may say doing a blowjob that
doesn't turn on the door, does have nothing for her
in the tense of it's not her body that's being

(41:05):
involved with this, it's pointless. So the only purpose is
learned for women to learn that having sensual feelings and
erotic places in their body that can be lighted it
up is really important. And that includes masturbation that which
we see in babies in the in the in the
mother's roomb. This ability to enjoy your body because it

(41:30):
actually brings energy in and it regenerates your body is
in a very important feature which, unfortunate has been seen
as dirty and shouldn't be done.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, you know, I was interested in In the TV
series Game of Thrones, there was a scene where a warrior,
a leader of a warrior tribe you know who was
married to I can't remember her name, but you know,
the woman with the white hair who became one of
the you know, the big stars of the show. And

(42:01):
when he had sex with her, it was always him
taking her like a dog, and one of the elder
women said to her, don't let him do that, you know,
you get on top. When she did, he fell in
love with her. There we go, and then were.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
To make love. We can't make love if our hearts
are not connecting exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
But all the other men thought he had become a
weakling and they ended up killing him. Now it's interesting.
I don't know if this is true or not, but
I read and I think it might have been in
Rhianne Eisler's The Chalice and the Blade something about how
originally what arranged marriages were all about was they didn't

(42:48):
want the men to fall in love with the woman.
They didn't want lovers to be married and become partners
because that weakened the men. And you know, it seem
even if women read your book and take it to
heart and do start with claiming you know their power,

(43:08):
You've still got to change men's minds and the conditioning
that they have also suffered. And I'm not blaming them,
because you know the lives, thousands of years of conditioning
that we have had. How do we approach that one?

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Well, my husband says, the most beautiful thing in the
universe is a woman in her power. And when I
use that phrase to other men, that go I agree.
My husband says that when women become men and men
they're just competition, they're just men. And when a woman
doesn't love herself and see herself in the power, then unfortunately,

(43:45):
she's going to come up against people who will abuse her.
I'm sorry, So one, it's not that men men are
waiting for women to step up into their power. Now,
I'm going to tell you there's men who don't want
them to do that. But when a woman does, the
men are only too willing to literally say, how do
I serve you because they realize that women have something

(44:08):
that they don't have. And I'm getting teared up because
you know, that's what my husband says. I know women
have something I don't have and never will have. And
it's this power of birth, of creation that we take
for granted. It's the most amazing experience. And that's why
I say that when women lose that the earth will

(44:28):
we will no longer survive because men cannot do this.
You men cannot do it, not just because of the
lack of estrogen or it's literally within our framework of
our body, our xx that has made us like this,
and this is who we are. We are built in
the image of the Mother, the Great Mother, the Earth, etc. Now,

(44:48):
just returning if I made to the idea of sex,
there are three different levels at least.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Of course, we're going to freeze on a very interesting part.
And I'm sure that Christine will be back in a
few seconds. So hold of breath. There you are. We
froze such an interesting part.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
It's an interesting story. Can I just so? What I
was saying is there are three levels at least sex
at the level of the base Charkra is just sex.
It's lust, its need, and what we found is that
type of sex where you just have almost an addiction
to more and more of it is no different in
the brain than taking cocaine. So it's a sort of stimulant,

(45:33):
an addiction. But when you go to the sacred Charkra,
you're saying, now I want a relationship with you. And
this is where I think people get lost. You know,
people say, well, I felt you wanted sex. No, I
wanted a relationship, and so there's an imbalance, and that's
the relationship In the Sacra Charka is called intimacy, and

(45:53):
the word means into me, you see. So when we
have a relationship, we're willing to take our clothes off
so you can see who I am. And I think
you're talking about the arranged marriages, etc. Or having sex
as you might do with the dog. You don't want
to be in a relationship, you just want You might

(46:14):
as well just take cocaine. Frankly, you know you mights whatever.
But when you go to the heart, you're now making love.
And what making love means is you are willing to
merge with this person and expose your own heart to
their experiences. And when we make love, we go to
this final place, which I will say at the crown chakra,

(46:35):
where we have a unity consciousness with all life and
with that's what we're meant to be doing when we're
having sex. But I think too often we don't define
what type of sex we want. Some people just want
it without any complications. But once we go to the
relationship level, there is a bonding that we need to
accept that we are now connected.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
You know, very sad when I read about, you know,
different cultures that want to keep women down and really
you know, just want to just treat them as vessels,
you know, to bear their children and nothing more. You
mentioned in the book Tom Kenyon and Judy Sion when

(47:19):
they wrote about the Magdalene and there was a piece
in there that touched me as well. I'm glad you
mentioned it in your book where they were talking about
you know, Mary Magdalene was trained in you know, in
the cult of Isis and her what she was trained
for was to be a vessel to support that man

(47:42):
to become his greatness right. And this is what men
are missing out on. The men who do not understand that,
the men who don't see it as you know, a
route to unity consciousness who just wanted to stay at
the base level, missing out on that.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
I know. And I want to say, if you read
the book I remember Union, Yes, yes, the book. I
thought that was amazing and some of the other Mary
Magdalene books that she became an enlightened being, an evolved soul.
She did her work in order to be that vessel.

(48:21):
So God to say is that without her becoming the
enlightened being, she would be Yes, sure, Jesus couldn't have
done this. So she you know, this is the way
of women. Women have to do their own work. And
then you know what I see as this sort of
she's standing there and him coming and knocking on the door,
and can I be you know, can I enter into

(48:42):
your sacred temple? And you go, Nah, you're not ready yet,
Go away, come back later. And I think that's what
we should be saying. You know, you have to do
you have to honor the feminine before you can even
touch her, before you can even communicate with her. You
have to show me that you're worthy, and we've lost
that and I would like to see that coming back.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
And that's not you know, not to be taken the
wrong way, because in showing the woman that they're worthy.
The woman is then able to elevate the man, so
he gets a lot more on it as well.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Exactly exactly, it's like she's calling on him, come on,
do you work. I'm doing my work, you do yours.
And you know that was the difference, as I was saying,
is that you know, women as I love you now
change men by the package and doesn't don't want anybody
to change. So, you know, I think that that's also
we sometimes forget that that women are saying, I'm bought.

(49:40):
You know, I'm with you. I'm trying to offer you
this opportunity. You don't have to take it, but I
can't stay at the level that you are if you're
not going to has to be a unit, a unified shift,
and we all know in relationships it's always changing.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah, Well, back into and eight, you wrote a book
twenty twelve and the Galactic Center, The Return of the
Great Mother, and you were talking about the expansion of
consciousness that was made possible by the thirty six year
window of opportunity that opened up between the Harmonic convergence
and last year, and you were predicting that this expanded consciousness,

(50:21):
you know that we would be having experiences like shamans
and pharaohs and sages. Have you noticed since then that
this is actually happening and are you are you confident?
You know, do you feel confident that we are moving
in the right direction, because it doesn't look that way

(50:41):
the names.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
So I did a lot of conferences around twenty twelve,
which I was very fortunate to go to, so I
could listen to a lot of people of us as Geminis,
we love learning, and I heard from all of them
because they looked at thousand year histories. It wasn't just
the last few years that twenty twenty to twenty twenty
eight would be amazing years, but they always said twenty

(51:03):
twenty three twenty twenty four would be the most challenging years.
And they said, then it is because AI is going
to come in, and that once AAI came in, no
disrespect to AI, but we would then not be able
to know, we wouldn't have to take responsibility for what
we did. And this new age is not about not

(51:24):
taking responsibility. It's about becoming accountable for everything we do.
And one of the messages was we are it's time
for us to feel the effect of our words and
actions on others immediately as we act, because only that
will change what we do. And this isn't about oh
I'm an mpath I feel you. No, if I say

(51:47):
something to you, I immediately because I'm connected to you,
will feel the effect of my words on you, Sandy,
And I will make a choice whether I do that
again or not because of the effect it's having on me.
And I think we're in that stage. The lack of
accountability and discernment about what we put out into the
world is got to change. And they said twenty tum

(52:11):
sorry to say, twenty thirty eight is the year where
we're going to get it. So we're still a few
years ahead. People keep saying to me, have we finished
the transformation? No, no, no, no, we haven't even started. While
there is one person being killed in a war, while
there is one child being abused, while there is one
woman being trafficked. We are so far from what we

(52:33):
are here to do as human beings. And just to say,
we are not meant to be ascending off this planet
and becoming some you know, going somewhere else, fully embodied,
creative human beings. And we can only do. I don't
know what's going.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
On as somebody doesn't want anyone to hear this, to
hear this, that's right.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
We've had problems before, Sandy you.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
And yeah, I think you know. One of the things
you say is so so important, and I think anyone
listening to this, women and men should really take notice,
is that when women embody the true female gifts, humanity
will be healed. I think, you know, we've got to

(53:20):
take the first step, because then we can help the men,
you know, embody their female gifts.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
And that, you know, that was a Native American saying
that a thousand years of peace will come when women
heal their hearts. And I think it's also heal their wombs. Yes,
and you know, I know, women, we've got time to
say this. I see men waiting for women to sort
themselves out. You know who you're wanting to be, not

(53:49):
a mini man. I see too many women taking the
role of the masculine, so there's no place for the
men in their life. We have to get back to
being women and know what that means. And the one
of the problems that happened at thirty five hundred years
ago was that instead of us working together as a
community because of the patriarchal shift. It meant that we've

(54:12):
developed hyerarchical systems or harms, so that what happened, instead
of you and I sharing our goods with amongst ourselves
and our children and our grandchildren, we then had to
compete with another woman to make sure we were the
favored woman so that our children could survive. And now

(54:33):
that is still happening. The amount of competition amongst women
to be the favored one, I cannot believe it's happening.
And I would say, if we want to change the
world today, if you want to come and sleep with
my husband, come and ask me first. And you ask
me first, I might say yes please, I'm ready. If

(54:56):
every woman stopped this game of saying, oh, his wife's
a terrible person, she's too frigid.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
We want Christine, I'm going to have to stop you
right there. I'm afraid we really have to go now.
I do want to tell everybody that they should go
to your website. They should look at your incredible courses.
You've got the Handbook of Women's Mysteries, which is an
online course that people can take. You've got other events

(55:25):
there that people can join in a wonderful forum, so
please do go and have a look. And Christine Page,
thank you so much for joining us today.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Thank you so much. Apologies for the internet ed, thank you.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
That happens so in Power of the Sacred Woman, Health,
Creativity and Fertility for the Soul by Christine Page, MD
is published by Bearing Company, and for more information about
Dr Page's books, courses, videos on healing into Wholeness and
Earth Mysteries, and other offerings, visit Christine Page dot com.
That's it for this week. I'm saying you, Sedgeber. I'll

(56:01):
be back at the same time next week with another
edition of What Is going On Till then it's goodbye
for me, goodbye.

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