The Mandela Effect – Awakening From Me to We with Cynthia Sue Larson - What is Going OM with Sandie Sedgbeer

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to what is going on for new thought from
the Edge of Arm. Each week on home Time's flagship
radio show, veteran broadcaster, author, and media consultant Sandy Sedgeber
conducts thought provoking interviews with inspirational authors, artists, musicians, scientists, speakers,
and filmmakers who are working at the point where spirituality

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and science meet consciousness, at the very edge of arm.
Here is your host, Sandy Sedgeber.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Hello and welcome. As the phenomenon of collective alternate memories
known as the Mendela Effect continues to grow, many questions
are naturally arising, like our people really jump in timelines,
access in parallel realities and universes by locating, meeting their
future selves and even recovering from death. And if so,

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what's driving this phenomenon? Is someone messing with the matrix?
Or is it evidence of a shift in consciousness a
taste of what's to come in the quantum Age With
me today. To answer these questions and more is transformational speaker,
best selling author life coach Cynthia Su Larsen, who is
one of the leading researchers of reality shifts and the

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Mandela Effect. Cynthia Su Larsen. Welcome, Thank you Sys.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Such a pleasure to be with you today.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Your latest book, The Mandela Effect and Its Society Awakening
from me to we present solid science and grounding theories
illuminating the profound significance and the true meaning of the
Mandela Effect. Before we dive into that, can you just
give us a two line explanation for those who don't

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know what the Mandela Effect is?

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Sure an example? Well, first, a description of it. It's
collective alternate memories, which would be evidenced by such things as,
for example, noticing that Nelson Mandela had died in nineteen
eighty seven or around there, but then he was alive again,
and having a group of people collectively remember that very

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differently than the official history, the official facts. So that
would be in a nutshell. The description of it, the
definition of it. Like I said, collective alternate memories. I
would not use the word false. You may see that
sometimes false would be an implication that we know what's
going on. We're claiming some of these memories are correct,
and some facts are correct and others are not. There's

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something much bigger going on. It's probably the biggest phenomenon
in all of human history, and it's happening right now
in such a way that we're capable of witnessing it.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
And it's growing and glowing and glowing. And you've been
tracking it for many years, haven't we, And now it's
got its own international confidence, and it's also being covered
in mainstream media.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yes, this is gaining traction, not losing ground at all,
and that's clearly a sign of the predominance of the
importance and the significance of the topic itself. So it
is coming into such lofty circuits of conversation. As MIT
author and speaker Rizwan Urk, he's writing about it in

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connection with the simulation theory. At our conference that was
held in Nashville, Tennessee in November twenty twenty four, we
had a PhD student who's graduated, he's now a doctor,
and he talked about his thesis in the work having
to do with the Mandila effect. So we have totally
turned a page on going from pure conjecture where this

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could be laughed at and could be considered a joke
or new age woo woo, to a point where it's
being taken very seriously, being considered scientifically. And this will
continue to build from here.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
What an exciting thesis to work on. That would be
so much fun. I know. So there are many many
theories for what might be causing the Mandela effect. Let's
take a look at a few of them. I mean,
simulation theory or dream What have you got to say
about that?

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yes? Well, now, the simulation theory is really the buzzword
of the day. I think so many people have popularized that,
including Elon Musk and others. But it's a very old
old theory actually, And that's why I like the way
you've included dream there, because the simulation is something similar
to a dream. Let's start with the simulation though, Because

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people we have computers, we tend to think in terms
of programming, and that if there is someone behind a
game that we love to play, like a simulation game,
we can imagine that we're operating as a character in
the game, or maybe multiple characters. And that's an idea
that we understand because we have the technology to play

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the games where people are experiencing. You know that you're
the person, the consciousness behind the character. You don't confuse
yourself with the character. If your character dies, you know
you're not dead. And so the simulation theory is operating
in this kind of a realm where all of the
physical world that we think is quite fixed and steady

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and can't possibly change. Instead, when you look at the
simulation idea, you would think that if you are playing
the role of a character in that game, it would
look real to you. And there are little characters that
are called non player characters that don't even seem to
know that they're in a game at all. And that
seems to be even meshed with the fact that some
people notice the Mandila effect, where for example, Nelson Mandela

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used to be dead and now he's alive. Or product
names are changing, physical organs are changing, geography is changing,
so many things are different. So if you're in that
game the simulation, and you're noticing some people really don't
have a clue, it fits the whole model of reality. Now,

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the thing about the simulation, the reason I prefer actually
to look at it as a dream, which is the
older viewpoint would be that with a simulation, you're looking
for a programmer or who's creating the dream, who's creating
the game. Rather with a dream, it's who's the dreamer.
These are very similar analogous concepts and the dreamer phenomenon

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and the idea really first, I think it was stated
in the East from people that were looking at meditation
and recognizing that if you are the dreamer that all
of the so called reality could be pure illusion, maya
the stuff of pure fabrication. Now we've got physics indicating
that space time itself may not be the ultimate reality,

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probably is not. Max Plank did not think that space
time was the ultimate reality. Max Plunk credited consciousness. So
to wrap this all up, the dream idea would be
saying consciousness is fundamental, and similarly with the simulation theory,
consciousness again is fundamental. Now as to who's the ultimate dreamer,

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who is the ultimate game designer, that would be the
ultimate consciousness, the absolute. But then there are levels of
that that we are capable of exploring.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
So some say that CERN scientists run in a mock.
Do you think there's any connection there.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
There's a connection in the sense that pretty much anything
that we look at in the realm of you know, what,
could be causing this. Sure there could be a possibility
that that's playing a role. And certainly what's happening with
CERN and the large Tatron Collider, which is just one
of many of hundreds of thousands of these supercolliders. They're
working with high energy physics and speeding up little tiny

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particles and crashing them together at phenomenal velocities in order
to see what's inside. Break things apart, to see what's smaller,
smash them up and crash them up, and see what
is the tiniest building block of reality. But as they're
doing that, they are operating with such huge amounts of
energy that of course it might have something to do

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with what we're witnessing. It might have an effect on
perhaps increasing the Mandela effect. Personally, I haven't noticed that
too much. When I look at when like the large
hydron collider is switched on or switched off, I see
that we're getting a steady influx of Mandela effects and
reality shifts regardless. So to me, it doesn't look like

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that would be the fundamental primary causal agent, but it
could be playing a role of some sort as possible.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Some people say that it has to do with the
Schumann resonance, and do you as you point out in
the book, that you know some people have measured various
things at the same time, so when you get more
than one thing happening, you know there's a correlation there.
What do you think about that one?

Speaker 3 (09:11):
That's a good point. So this human resonance is that
increase in frequency that's been steadily rising over time. People
have been watching that and in us to do with
frequencies inside the Earth's atmospheres, the stratosphere. So you can
think of it as like a little frequency waves bouncing
up and down and they get excited and there's just

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a lot going on. Every time there's a lightning strike
on the planet. Then that does have something to do
with increasing the human resonance. And like you said, there's
a correlation that we have noticed within the community of
the Mandela effect experiencers that sometimes when that human residence
resonance gets very very high, it's like a white out,

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it's just going bonkers. Then we'll see a huge influx
of reality shifts and Mandela effects coming in being reported,
being noticed, and observed. And so there is a correlation. However,
they may one might not be causing the other, they
might be coincident with each other.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah. Well, at the same time, we've got people like
Carl Calluman talking about the Ninth Wave of consciousness. And
you know, I don't know that that's something that we
can possibly measure, but we've certainly, you know, I've been
tracking Carl's work, as I know you have for some years,
and it makes a lot of sense to me. And
you know, we do know that people are waking up

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on mass And is it because of you know, solar
flares and CMEs and is it because there's some other
invisible wave of consciousness lifting us up? I don't know,
but you know it seems as a lot of things
happening at once.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
There certainly are, and that my own consideration. Carl Callerman
is excellent and really outlined the science and the theory
behind the Mayan calendar. And some people would say like, well,
we should have seen thing happened in twenty twelve that
was supposedly the end of the cycle. Carl Calluman lays
out exactly what's going on with this ninth wave and
why we have seen things, and I would agree with

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Carl on that point. I think that right when we
would expect this ninth wave to come in, we see
the technology of the Mandela effect. Basically to me, that
is the appearance of the technology and the sign that
the signal that showed up right around twenty twelve for
a lot of people. That was concurrent with the phrase
the verbiage Mandela effect, which I had been tracking already

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for quite some time, but many people only freshly became
aware of it right around that time. So to me,
it makes sense. It looks brilliant. It seems like there's
something going on, definitely with the ancient wisdom of the
indigenous people of the world, which line up. So if
you look at the Mayans and you look at the
Hope and you look at others, they are in a
lot of agreement, and that right there is astonishing, amazing

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and worth taking a look at.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
It's interesting. I mean, in the book, you know, you
cover many of the theories you've you know, there's time travelers,
there's converging timelines, reality bubbles, theories that realities converged in
twenty twelve. Then there's nonlinear orthogonal time shifts, which sounds,
you know, really out there to me because I never

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knowing about that. But you know, are these drivers or
are they effects? We don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah, the ultimate driver, I would say, I'd agree with
Max Plank that it's got to be consciousness. I think
even Philip K. Dick, who's the I think credit him
with the orthogonal nonlinear theory. That sounds like that is
so out there, That is so Philip K. Dick, the
author of those amazing science fiction stories. But he was

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an experiencer, like like I am, of this whole Mandela
effect phenomenon. He was witnessing it. He was describing it
perfectly to a t in his beach in Metz, France.
So I think the driver's got to be consciousness. There's
got to be the human evolution of consciousness. That's where
to me the indicators keep pointing. But like you say,

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we don't know for sure, and we don't have all
the specifics yet. It's just an exciting time to be observing,
paying attention, sharing notes, comparing ideas and theories and experiences
with others who are also noticing this very real phenomenon occurring.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
You've had many experiences yourself, I mean, you've been having
experiences since childhood, so it's not a case of which
came first, the chicken or the egg. You know, you've
been open and you've been notice noticing and re called
in as well many many other people's stories as well
as your own ten to set a couple of your

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own experiences.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Well, I've had some real doozies. I'll start with the
simple ones, just the ones everybody has, where I would
notice that I would set my keys or my wallet
down and I knew exactly where that I had put them,
because I'm very, very clear about such things. I'm very
almost boring about doing things like that. It's a way
of locking something into place. Actually, I think I've been

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doing it for so long because I know since childhood
that if I don't do that, things actually move around.
So I would start noticing that, like, Okay, I put
my keys right here, and now they're gone. My daughter
put her shoes on the floor in her bedroom. Now
they're gone. So I was seeing things like that that
would be appearing and then disappearing, transporting, transforming, and so on.

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So things like keys and laundry going missing in the wash.
We put it in the washing machine, it doesn't come
out of the dryer advantage somewhere between point A and
point B. Those are the simple cases. But then things
get much wilder for me and some of the crazy,
the wild ones that they're not crazy, they did happen.

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I was driving my car one day and needed to
be on time to an appointment, and I was in
a state of gratitude, a very high level state of gratitude,
really being grateful for everything, and just how good can
it get? Sort of thoughts. In the midst of that
blissed out reverie. Most surprisingly, I experienced a flat tire.
I knew which tire on the car. I'm driving the

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car at a slow speed and the dry steering wheel
is pulling in the direction of the flat tire. I
heard it go sort of a terrible noise, and then
it's sort of going flip flip, flip flop, the way
a tire sounds when it's not properly rolling smoothly. So
I pulled the car over to the side of the road.
I got out to check the tire and it was fine,

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which is extremely confusing. Now I can't just stand there
and not do anything. But I don't know what to
do because I know it's a flat tire, but it
doesn't look flat. So I kick the tire. I've never
done that before. I thought, why do people kick tires? Well,
in a moment such as this, you need to do
something I need to confirm does it work? And I
still don't know what to do. But I'm going to

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be late if I sit there at the side of
the road wondering what's happening processing this doesn't make any sense.
It's a flat tire, but it's not flat. So I think, well,
it looks fine. I know it's flat, but it looks fine,
so I'll drive on it. So I'll drive slowly. If
it goes bad, I'll pull over again. But it was fine,
so I speed up slowly, get to where I'm going. Park,
get out of the car. Look at the tire. It's fine.

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Go to the appointment, Get back in the car. It
look at the tire, it's fine. Go home. Tell my husband,
who used to be a mechanic deer, could you please
take a look at the tires on the car. I
don't say anything about what happened, but I just say
something seems to be a little a miss. So he
goes out and he's very painstakingly careful measuring every single
tire pressure on each tire. He said, well, it's a

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good thing you mentioned that, because you know some of
the tires were a bit low they needed more air.
One was perfect, however, and I said which one? He said,
the tire on the right front of the car. So
that was a real time I've had real time reality
shifts Mandela effects like that, and that one was just
like getting a flat tyre fixed by God when being

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in a state of how good can it get? I
was just in a blissed out state. That one still
blows my mind just to think about it. But I've
got other things happened. They're just after hookstrange in a
good way.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
You do talk about, you know, how if we are
in a real high vibrational state of being bliss fall
full of the joys of life and love, we can
change things. And I was reading that particular story this morning.
Then I thought, well, I've got you know, I've got
something that nobody can explain happening. Maybe I'll use, you know,

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take your advice, and I will put my attention on
it and see whether I can fix this problem. And
so I did, and I couldn't fix the problem, unfortunately,
So I don't know. Perhaps I need a bit more
training here, but I have actually seen things happen. You know,
when you do put that attention and that you know,

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you really have to be in a good place to
be able to do it.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Absolutely, But I've seen some of my household chores get
done like magically, Like the floor is cleaned and my
husband will say thank you for cleaning the kitchen floor.
I'll say, I thought you did it. And I've had
my laundry to itself. I've just had some But remember,
this is quite doable when you recognize there could be
these adjacent possible realities. And I'm constantly asking how good

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can it get? I'm constantly doing the best I can
to stay in that elevated state of gratitude, very high
vibratory frequency state. When you do that, I can guarantee
you'll see a lot of surprisingly positive changes. Maybe not
exactly the one you were aiming for, but keep practicing,
keep asking how good can it get? Keep your energy high,
stay grateful, stay reverent.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Well, I've certainly had experiences of time, you know, driving
home and I know how long it takes, and actually
I get there in much quicker time, and you know,
other things that happen when you're driving. It's been quite strange.
But I think probably that's because I'm usually in a
different place when i'm driving. You know, I'm sort of

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semi semi chanced.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
I think I think that's an easier place to do
these things, actually, And that is one of the most
frequently reported examples that I've seen over twenty five years
of receiving firsthand reports.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
It would be traveling farther in less time than should
be humanly possible without speeding. It's like, how did I
make a six hour drive in three hours? That's what
people are noticing, that kind of thing, and like I
wasn't speeding. I think I remember seeing everything, or do I.

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They start feeling like this is so weird? How did
that happen?

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah? People talk about the veil is thinning, by which
I think they mean, you know, the veil between this
DIMENSIONE and another? Do you think that that is what
is happening here and that we're flipping backwards and forwards
and we don't even know it.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, when you think of the veil, I would think
of it as a revelation of levels of conscious agency.
And that may sound like complicated idea, but if it's not.
Because we have neurons in our brain, neurons in our heart,
neurons in our gut, which have been recently discovered those
are three primary functioning levels of conscious agency within yourself.

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So some people know that my heart wants this, my
head wants something else, my gut has a different feeling perfect.
I mean it's not perfect that there's imbalance, but it's
perfect that someone's listening. And so this is the thinning
of the veils. It's to me, it's the revelation that
we have many, many, many, many levels of conscious agency.
We have access to the collective subconscious where humans are

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growing and struggling at times and learning to not be
so brutal to each other, learning to be kinder, and
then we've got access to our collective higher consciousness, which
is where we're feeling guided to this ninth wave that
Carl Kellerman's talking about, and entering this fifth world, the
Golden Age sham Belah that many of the prophecies of

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the Indigenous people talk about, and the Bible too. So
as we're moving in that direction, we can start sensing that, oh,
this is what it means. The thinning of the veils
is the thinning of the deception that actually I am
a multitude. I've got my head, my heart, my gut,
I'm accessing the collectives at the subconscious and the higher

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conscious level. And when we recognize that there's so much
good that can come of that, it's really the opening
of our eyes. This tool of the Mandela effect. It's
like playing with a game in the sandbox, like human
children learning to play with What if we collectively can
change all of reality together? What if we're doing it

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right now? I think that's the still the Mendela effect
is asking us.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Well, you know, I can remember a friend of mine
when we used to take long drives road trips from
Phoenix to la We would talk about what was going
on in our lives and our work, and we might
talk about a situation that somebody was in that you know,
we needed really to help them change it. And we

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started to realize that all we had to do was
speak about it and it would change. And this happened
several times. So I think we are affecting reality, you
know when we never realize it. Just talking about someone,
we're affecting them.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yes, And it's important to start paying attention to that
and acknowledging that, recognizing that the words we use, that
even the day dreaming that we do, we might notice
that we're living in another parallelogycent reality, people may notice
us by locating as I described. I think you read

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that chapter where I got through amazing experiences. Some of
those have to do with daydreaming that I'm doing something
and then coming out of that daydream to find evidence
that I did do that in this reality. So maybe
sometimes witnessed it. Yeah, Yeah, that's amazing, It is amazing.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, there's one bit that really fascinated me in the
in the section where you were talking about the nonlinear
orthogonal time shifts, you talked about Indigenous peoples and locality
and spatial separation is regarded as an illusion by them,
and you said that shared awareness in First Nations communities

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is very common and that your friend, the American linguist
Dan Moonhawk, had a gift for illuminating the importance of
the ways that language shapes consciousness. Can you tell me
a little bit about that?

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Oh, yes, Dan Moonhawk. Alfred was a brilliant man. I
say that meaning that the brilliance of his heart shone through.
I just loved being in his presence. He was so welcoming,
such an exemplary human being, and he was a linguist,
and he was also one of the first people to
get together at a gathering of linguists, physicists and indigenous

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wisdom keepers and elders, and that would be the gathering
that happened in Canada with Leroy Littlebear of the Blackfoot nation,
and also David Boehm, the physicist who was the father
of the holographic interpretation. So Dan Munhak Alfred's contributions are vast.

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He was a follower of the idea that language itself
shapes our consciousness. And this was not his own original theory,
but one that he was presenting and exploring with these
indigenous and these physicists people. Basically, in a nutshell, it's
the idea is that if you look at the way,
for example, a language is based on verbs, then you'd

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notice that emotions such as going left to right like
this in a certain indigenous language could represent both the
duck which moves like this, and the snake which moves
like this, and so the movement is then the message.
And then when people recognize, oh, the duck and the
snake have something in common, there's a depth of comprehension

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and awareness of very subtle mechanics that are occurring in
reality that we might otherwise miss if we're focused instead
on a noun based kind of a language.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
I have remember reading many, many years ago a book,
you know. It was the kind of book that you know,
we would expect, you know, to be written today by
some of these people, you know, like Greg Braden or whatever.
They're doing all of this research. And the author in
that book said that we were telepathic, and it was

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only when we started to use language and developing the
left hemisphere, you know, that we lost our ability to
be telepathic.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
It's a lot to be said for that. And in
some of these indigenous traditions that was not lost so
severely that some of they would play games with children,
for example, to guess what someone was thinking. It's like
playing Rocks's or's paper, but hiding everything behind your back
all the time and just practicing it all the time
until you can really become aware of the way you're

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sharing consciousness with others, concealing certain things, because that's important
if you're hunting and gathering, if you're working with the
natural world, if you're tracking the motions of the moon,
as the indigenous people did to such a degree that
many of us don't even know how they were doing
that because we're not thinking that way. We're not going
into the subtleties of Dynie that were so obviously important

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to people before we had this noun based language regime.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah. I mean it's interesting when you watch people who
train their dogs, you know, with sign language, and you know,
they seem to be completely in sync with one another
and the communication channels and wide, don't.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
I did have that experience with our family dog, and
I would He's very telepathic, and he would think long range,
like if he knew when I was grocery shopping, he
knew when I was asking the butcher for a special bone.
As soon as the car barked in the driveway, he
was already barking like I want my bone. He wouldn't
do that otherwise. I'm just saying this proof. But then

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if I wanted him to do new tricks to jump
over a fence, a higher and higher fence, I would
telepathically show him that this is us effortlessly doing that.
We're practicing over this little lug. Now we're going a
little bit higher. Now we're jumping over a fence. And
he was just perfect at it to a spectacular degree.
So I did take him to a dog agility course

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once for the first time, and he could easily, through
telepathic awareness and trust with me, do things like go
through the collapsed parachute that many dogs will not for
the first time. They don't want to go into something
that looks like it's caved in on itself and it
looks like a tent that collapsed. But I would just
telepath telepathically show our dog, this is what you do,

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and he just did it like usual, and the trainers
that were there at the course were amazed. And he
didn't care for treats either, because he was just he
was so focused when he was doing these things, didn't
want to eat until he got home again. So I
pocketed the treats. I said, you'll get them when you
get home.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Wow. Yeah, we're going to take a short plate. Now
you're listening to what is going on. I'm Sandy Sedgebar
and my guest today is one of the leading researches
of reality shifts and phenomenon of collective alternative memories known
as the Mendela effect, and that is transformational speaker and
consciousness researcher Cynthia Sue Larsen, whose best selling books include

(29:13):
Quantum Jumps, Reality Shifts, and The Mendela Effect and its
society Awakening. From Me to We. We'll be back with
more from Cynthia Sue Larson after this break.

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(32:20):
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Speaker 2 (33:16):
Welcome back, Cynthia sou Last, And we talked about Philip
Dick before the break, and he described his books as
being based on fragmentary residual memories and he remembered three
parallel alternate lives. He also suggested that plural realities might
exist superimposed onto one another. Do you believe in us,

(33:39):
you know, another me being in another reality and maybe
ten more or more?

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, it feels like when I was daydreaming that that
was exactly what was happening, that I was capable of
being simultaneously in one reality. In one case, I was
at a book event, just daydreaming, like what a perfect
day it would be great to be walking down one
of my favorite streets, and then come to find out
that I was actually doing that, that was witnessed doing that.

(34:08):
And if you're thinking, well, that couldn't have been a
real reality. I had another separate occasion where this daydreaming
thing happened, and I was lying in bed in a
cold morning that I didn't want to get up and
walk through the house, too cold to get up so soon,
but I needed to wake my daughters up. So I
was daydreaming that I walked down that cold hall, opened,
their door, flicked on the head, their bedroom light opened,

(34:31):
the curtain that was too heavy for them to lift.
Said good morning to them, What time to wake up,
rise and shine, all that good stuff. But I didn't
do any of that. I was still in bed the
whole time, just daydreaming. But then my daughters came. I
could hear them waking up on their own, which they
never did. Peter patter of little feet coming to find mom.
Where his mom? She's still in bed? Why she went

(34:53):
back to bed? What are you doing back in bed? Mom?
And I wasn't back in bed, I'd never gotten out.
So then I race to their bedroom to see what
the heck is going on? And the two heavy curtain
was opened, the light was on. Indeed, I was the
only other person in the house besides them. Somebody woke
them up. So I'm giving an example of what I've witnessed,

(35:14):
because to me, it's evidence that we are capable, very
capable of occupying two concurrent realities, going back and forth
if you will, and our consciousness is facile, it's capable
enough of doing that. We're at a juncture in our
human evolutionary process where we can through imagination recognize what

(35:36):
if the world could be peaceful, what if people could
be kind, what if people could get along better than
they ever have before. And through that kind of imagination
of constantly asking questions we want to live the answers to,
we can actually experience it. So I would say, yes,
these things are quite real. I know Philip K. Dick
must have been experiencing them because some of the things

(35:57):
he's experienced I also experienced, such as meeting his future self.
It's a very personal thing to have happened. He had
that happened it, which shocked him at the time. I
had it happened to me, which was very shocking to
me at the time. And I'm very indebted to I
think we all are indebted to these pioneers such as
Philip K. Dick, who are willing to share these seemingly

(36:21):
outlandish experiences at a time when I believe human evolution
is now opening this doorway for all of us to
start noticing. Can you imagine that a daydream could be real?
Are we ready to be responsible for ourselves even in
our daydreams and not just think that we can just
go do terrible things in those day dreams? Are we

(36:42):
ready for this, those of us who are ready for this.
It's my strong opinion which makes sound radical. It probably
is that this radical optimism that I speak of is
how good can it get? Philosophy is ready for those
of us who are ready for it. And this is
a long profit size juncture where we're going to see
a split of two worlds. We'll see people that are

(37:05):
ready to live this way. Even if we don't know
what we're doing. That's okay. You might feel like I
don't I don't think I have this mastered yet, Cynthia.
That's okay. It's it's fine. The water, It's like, come
on in the Water's fine. We can do this together.
And the old way we know what that is. It
doesn't feel like instantaneous manifestation there, but a lot of

(37:26):
us have experienced instantaneous manifestation, and that would be this
crossing of the world, the awareness that we really are
in all these realities. So let's pick the good ones.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Well, what I find fascinating there is, so you know,
a friend saw you, she saw you walking along the street.
You were actually somewhere else. So in your friends reality,
she's not in the same reality you are. The you
that was in you know, at the author event, is

(38:01):
in one reality. The youth that he's over there walking
down the street and she's seeing you, so she's in that.
She must be in that reality in order to be
able to see you.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Well, this is where it's time for us to start
recognizing we can be in a superposition of states. That's
a physics idea, which is, we've heard of the Schrodinger's cat,
which is in a box, and if you don't observe it,
then it's paradoxically both alive and dead due to the
fact that it's participating. Is a hypothetical cat, but it's

(38:33):
participating in a quantum physics experiment involving a vial of
poison gas which is triggered by a radioactive decay isotope
which it's hooked up to a little hammer that breaks
the glass that releases the poison, and so on and
so forth. In other words, the quantum particle. We're fine

(38:53):
with that being in a superposition of states. But now
we've entangled a cat into this very strange device, and
now we're saying the cat is in a superposition of states.
I'm agreeing with that, and I'm saying that is the
way reality works. And as the time that we are
the cat, we can recognize that we are capable of
being alive and dead. I've been through that myself. The

(39:16):
humans are now capable of recognizing we can actually play
with different possible realities and select between them. I can
be dead in one reality and alive in another and
choose to be alive, and people can witness that from
the outside. And this is the kind of thing we're
noticing with a Mendela effect, where not everybody has the

(39:36):
same exact memories of the fruit of the loom logo
with the cornucopia. Some people say it's always never had that,
and some people are certain that's the hill that they're
going to go down on. It's like that, for sure,
was a cornucopia comes up every American Thanksgiving, because we
often have the cornucopia as a symbol for our American holiday,

(39:56):
which is just coming up now this next week, so
it's fresh on our minds. But this is the kind
of thing where some people don't have to all agree
about any of these particular realities, because it's our consciousness
that's dancing and weaving and playing amongst all these different
imaginal realms.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
I mean, it's so exciting that there's so much going
on there with quantum physics. I mean, so many things
are being looked into and researched and debated, and we
truly are into in a quantum AAE. Tell me about
the quantum Zeno effect. I've never heard of this until
I read about it in your book.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Okay, Well, there's a zeno kind of a paradox that
goes back to very ancient times. It was a thought
experiment that if you just start walking slower and slower,
taking smaller and smaller steps, will you ever get to
where you were heading? Will you ever fully arrive If
every step you take is half the size of the
last step, you know, it's like you're sort of slowing down.

(40:58):
So it's a funny question, but when applied to quantum physics,
it has a different sort of idea, And in quantum physics,
the quantum Zeno effect is such. It's kind of like
the watched pot never boils. So you can keep observing, observing,
checking and checking, checking to see is that teapot boiling yet? No,
it's still not boiling. And the more often you check it,

(41:21):
the more likely it is to be very ironically locked
in a state of never boiling, which sounds hilarious, but
if this has happened to you, then you swear by it. Yeah,
there's something to this, but it's quite real. In quantum systems,
where the quantum Zeno effect is utilized to lock a
quantum system in place, do thanks to constant observational just observing, observing, observing.

(41:47):
It's like being an obsessive, compulsive person and just checking, checking,
checking something, And so you're locking that system into place.
It can't move because you're not looking away from it.
And if you do look away, then things are wide
open to all sorts of shenanigans. Anything can happen, the
water can start boiling, the system can be released from
that quantum lock. And so that's the idea that just

(42:10):
by observation alone, you have the power to hopefully lock
a good situation in place just by observing it. Like, oh,
I like this reality I've just won the lottery. I'm
going to lock this in place. Or I like this
reality of my car tire is now fixed. I thought
it was flat, but it's fixed. I'll lock that in
place or whatever. So that observational power that we possess

(42:34):
is quite quite amazing.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
What about then, I don't like what's going on over there,
all of that wall and hatred. I'm going to lock
that so it's frozen in place and doesn't get worse.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, well, first you want to release the lock. This
is this is where most people have a little bit
of an issue, because if it's human nature, we're looking
at something and we don't like it, so we're staring
at it, and then we want to it's human nature
often to complain about it and bring in like, hey, everybody,
come look at this. Look how bad this is. And
this is actually not what you want to be doing.

(43:06):
When you are consciously steering reality through consciousness itself, it's
better to release the realities that you do not wish
to experience, which could be as simple as just distract yourself.
Look at something that you enjoy, raise your spirits with
a good memory, some happy time, think of something positive,
be grateful for something that happened in the last day

(43:29):
or so, anything like that, and then the next time
you look back at whatever it was, it's so horrible
and horrific, it's possible that it may have improved slightly,
so you can actually look for improvements. You can expect
that this situation will change. This is a whole new thing.
It's not what I was taught in school. Nobody taught
me to look at it. Look away from a terrible situation,

(43:51):
look back and imagine how good can that get? Is
it changing? Okay, let's look away again, Let's look back.
Is it changing? That is? That's some new thing, and
that's the new science that we're entering into thanks to
the Mandolina effect.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
And you have a section on information from the future
in the past, which is really interesting. And you know,
there's the famous one of the novella that was written
about the ship called titan you know that was supposed
to be you know, almost impossible, unsinkable. That did sink
hit an iceberg, you know, and it kind of you know,

(44:28):
pre emptied what was happening fourteen years later with the Titanic.
You also mention a Simpson Simpson episode and they seemed
to do this, you know, not infrequently, where they seem
to get something fang on the nil there. You know,

(44:50):
during COVID somebody was you know, sharing a meme and
pictures about a book that was written by God what's
his name? I can't think of his name now, but
that actually talked about a pandemic and Wuhan was mentioned
there and everybody said, oh, you know, he's predicted this.

(45:11):
I've got a client who, you know, is a Lancet
published physician, and she was writing an entry for a
competition that the Lancet were doing back in the year
two thousand and seven, and it was you know, what
do you think about the future of medicine? And she
wrote this whole fictional piece about in the year two
thy one hundred and seven, we're looking back and here's

(45:34):
what happened. And she talked about a pandemic, a national pandemic, international,
you know, global pandemic. So you know there are people
all over who are doing things like this. What do
you think is happening there?

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Well, that's a that's a huge question. But it seems
clear that we have access outside of space time to
possible timelines, if you will, reality is other possible or universes.
We can sense where the energy is strongest and where
things might be most surprising and most interesting, and if
we're in a certain state of meditative awareness, we can

(46:11):
essentially remote view these if you will, see what could
be coming, and there are some projects where futurists are
employing the assistance of people who are I think everybody
is quite psychic intrinsically. Everybody has this capability. We may
not be aware of it, but writers for The Simpsons
and other authors definitely are tuning in to their imagination.

(46:34):
They're able to tune into and access the future at
levels where they can see like this is where timelines
might converge. This is a sort of a nodal point
where a lot of people are interested. Like the Simpsons
predicted the discovery of the Higgs boson with such remarkable clarity,
because that was a very huge point. But still it's

(46:55):
astonishing that they predicted it before it was found. And
like you said, your friend, recognizing that there had been
this great pandemic, we can it's like we can see
these little bumps along the road, these these high points
of collective consciousness where there was something being sorted out
and awareness it was a significant event, not just because

(47:15):
of what happened, but because of the effect that it
was felt by all these people, the emotional impact, and
that leaves kind of a mark, if you will, so
it creates an easier access point to view it.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
So it's the energy, very very strong energy is felt
back in time or if that, you know, if we're
not talking linear then and however that is felt. I
think it was the Bart Simpson one that actually had
a reference to Trump being elected as president.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Yeah, I think they had something like that too, right, Yes,
So it's it's interesting now those writers obviously are given
carte blanche. It's like, Okay, go for it, get really
wild and crazy, think of something amazing and outlandish. And
they do. And sometimes the stuff they show doesn't quite happen,
but sometimes it does, and to me it looks like

(48:15):
they're exploring those far reaches of imagination. And when it
comes to predictions, I know people love predictions. They want
to know what's going to happen. And this topic of
the Mandela effect is actually showing it's not so much
the importance of the prediction. It's the importance of us
asking nature the questions and asking questions that we would

(48:37):
love to live the answers to. That's where we can
reclaim this divinity, this intrinsic divinity and sovereignty of spirit
that we uniquely have without giving everything away to transhumanism
or some technological solution that let's not give our power
away is what I'm suggesting. Let's recognize that instead of

(48:58):
craving like what are prophecies? What do they predict for us?
Let's know that we are capable now of creating everything,
steering this entire spaceship earth ourselves, as the indigenous people
have handed it over to us. It seems like like
you guys are old enough now take the steering wheel.
You know what you're doing. Maybe we don't quite know

(49:19):
exactly what we're doing, and sometimes we have a temptation
to exact revenge. I hope we've outgrown that. Hopefully we're
now attaining higher and higher levels of conscious agency on
that David Hawkins scale, or we're more in a state
of reverence and gratitude and just really radiating the kindness

(49:39):
and the love and all the higher ethical principles that
we most wish to experience in the world. Let's be
the change that we wish to be. And to me,
that's what the mental effect is showing us.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Of all the stories that you've heard and read about, etc.
Do you have one favorite that you know you just
I think it's just wonderful and like to share it
whenever you can.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
There's so many, so many good ones. I think the
funny ones are sometimes the best because they just seem
kind of goofy. So this may not be life changing.
But I was listening and watching an interview with doctor
Dean Raydon. He's the chief scientist at Institute of Nerdic Sciences.
He was talking about what was then his new book,
Real Magic. I was thinking about it, and I'd watched

(50:27):
the whole one hour show, and I'm thinking about it,
and I'd go and pick up a bottle of furniture
polish to clean my dinner table, and it's almost empty.
So I'm absent mindedly shaking it in one hand. Now
I should know better, not thinking about it at all.
And then I shook it so vigorously that it flew
out of my hand. At that point, I had walked.

(50:48):
I just walked into the kitchen and shut the door
behind me. Now the bottle is gone. It's I didn't
hear a single sound. There was silence. It flew out
of my hand in a direction that should have hit
the up and there should have been a crash sound.
There's no sound at all. There's no bottle. It's gone.
It's left my hand, and now I'm in a little
bit of a fix. It's like, where did the bottle go?

(51:10):
And I'm thinking, oh my gosh, I know better. I
should have quantum zeno affected it. I should never have
let go of that bottle. What I know better? Oh no,
what have I done? So I look inside the oven,
which is impossible, right, It would mean that it would
have teleported right through the oven door inside it wasn't there. Paradoxically,
I look inside the refrigerator, which is right there. That

(51:31):
was not even the direction of the throw. The door
is closed, so it can't go in the hallway anyway.
Long story short, I give up on that bottle and think, well,
that this is a lesson for me. I'll not do
this in the future. So I'm about to go get
another bottle of furniture polish, a new one. But then
I noticed as I walk through the living room, they're
in a whole different room. In front of the TV

(51:52):
set is the bottle of furniture polish. So it's just funny.
I mean, that is a funny thing, but it's showing
me in that daydream state losing that quantum zeno. You know,
check check check. If I just let something fly out
of my hand, it can go to another soft landing
somewhere else. I like the soft landing because I'm looking
at us moving from the fourth world to the fifth.

(52:14):
I would love a soft landing for all of humanity.
So for me, the message is clear, we can have
that soft landing. Don't fixate on the problem, allow ourselves
to daydream how good can it get for us collectively?
And then allow for that soft landing to occur and
we can find it.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
How good do you think you can get.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Off the hook? Amazing? I love to ask it. Blow
our socks off. Just show us how peace can come,
how good can come from every broken, troubled, horrific condition
here on the planet. Show us every exit, every good
path out. We are listening, We are ready to receive.
I know I'm speaking on behalf of humanity, but I

(52:55):
think I speak for all of us that if that
could happen, would not be we'd be all ready for this,
such a miraculous transformation to occur. I know that we're
ready for it, So I think it's time for us
to start calling it in. And even if each of
us only does one simple thing and just start each
day by asking how good can it get? Even if
it doesn't seem good, Let's just do that together and collectively,

(53:17):
I know that we can shift everything in the world.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Well, you know, the piece I like about that is
that we can also you know, you say that the
present is capable of influence in the past, that we
can then change the past.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
So now this happened, That's exactly what. Yes, I don't
have much time to go into all that, but exactly, exactly, exactly.
And so the more people explore this phenomenon, and you see,
this is why the phenomenon is called false collective memory,
because it's hard for people to wrap their mind around
how can it be that this entirely different narrative could

(53:53):
be remembered by people? That is because we're in a
completely different, if you will, timeline where all the history
is filled in as if it was always in that
wonderful way. And that is exactly what can happen for
all of us at this time when reality itself is shifting,
geography is changing, continents are in slightly different places the

(54:14):
North and South American continents. To me, it looks like
South America's just keeps scooching over to the east. They
used to be more in aligne with each other. I'm
just mentioning that one kidneys. I remember they used to
be down lower. So if I put my hands to
rest my hands after I've climbed up a big hill,
I'm putting them to protect my kidneys. They're not there now.

(54:34):
They've moved up under the protection of the ribcage, greater
safety there. So I'm just pointing out things are changing
in a big way for millions of us. It's time
to notice it's happening, to reclaim our own intrinsic divinity,
our ability to affect everything, like you said, with a
few words, with an intention, with a focus, and we

(54:56):
can see extraordinary, wonderful things happening at this time.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
And I think it was just a few days ago
there were reports that magnetic north have changed, and scientists
can't understand why it's changed so quickly, and it's moving
more towards US Russia. I mean, we don't know what's causing.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
That, right. There are so many mysteries, and it's good
to be open to that mystery and to play with it,
to recognize what if we do have control over things
we thought we had no control over it. It's not
like I'm not saying that I'm God. Definitely not if
people are listening like she says She's God. No, I don't. Collectively,
we can work together, and we can work with the

(55:37):
awareness that we're here to learn, We're here to be kinder,
to be better people. If that's what's happening, then what
can we make of these mysteries that are revealing themselves
to us at this time?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
I love your books, just very quickly because we're almost
out of time Reality Shifts. I mean, you've been collecting
these stories forever. Do you have to keep, you know,
putting out new editions of it to upde.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
No, that book. I feel like when I write a book,
I feel like it stands on its own and each
book is a time marker. So that book came out
it was actually the first book that I wrote, even
though it was published after or Advantage. Or Advantage came
out officially in two thousand and three, and the proper
print version of Reality Shifts came out after that, but
technically it predated that. It was the first love child

(56:28):
book of mine that was a response to the awareness
that reality changes it shifts when consciousness does change the
physical world. So that's what's happening, and it's just a
walk through of how to start paying attention to the
internal beliefs and patterns of thinking that's going on, often
unobserved in ourselves that we can start working with and

(56:51):
transforming ourselves first and then seeing changes in the world.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Cynthy sou Lason, we're out of time now. Thank you
so much for joining us today.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Thank you, Sandy So.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
For more information about Cynthia Sue Larson's books, Events, Reality
Shifts Newsletter, and the Mandela Effect conferences, visit realitieshifters dot com.
I'm Sandy said. I'll be back at the same time
next week with another edition of What Is going On.
Till then, it's goodbye from me. Thank you, Cynthia Soue Larson.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
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