The Simulation Hypothesis with Melissa Tittl

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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(00:32):
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
Hello, Are we living in a simulation? Is everything we
think we know about our history wrong? Has the spiritual
community been misinformed about things that were designed to distract
us and keep us in a finite life form? Truth
is stranger than fiction. I few know that better than
investigative journalist, producer, and writer Melissa Titar the founder of

(01:07):
Hathol Studios, which specializes in films, TV shows, and content
on subjects like ancient civilizations, aliens, human potential, sci fi
and more. She's worked as a producer and writer on
major network shows like Ancient Aliens. She hosts UFO Witness,

(01:28):
Alien Endgame and The Visitors on Discovery Plus, and she's
also the director of Doctor Joe Dispenser's movie Source. Melissa
Titar joins me today to talk about Hathwell Studio's latest documentary,
Code twelve, which presents a fascination case for a simulated reality,

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challenging us to think deeply about the world we live
in and our potential for growth and evolution. Melissa, welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Thank you so much for having me so playing.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
In the field of possibilities and pushing the boundaries of thought.
I so resonate with your passions before we talk about
Code twelve, which is one of the documentaries that definitely
pushes the boundaries of our covent the avity tell us
where this exciting journey into the paranormal began for you.
You must have been a very curious child.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yes, I definitely a very curious child. But I have
to say, I feel like anybody listening, there's a moment
in your life where something happens that you cannot explain,
and I believe that started for me when I was
about ten. I started having this reoccurring dream that made
no sense to a ten year old and didn't really

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start to make sense until my twenties when I started
working on ancient aliens. So that dream was laden with
symbols and meaning that came together as I started to

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look at all these different religious texts and spiritual texts
and temples, and I'm like, oh my god, that's simple.
It's everywhere, and that number is everywhere. What does that mean?
And then from there it took me again another ten years,
it felt like, to start to really put it together.
Could this be part of that big puzzle? Peep that

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big puzzle picture. So I think there's a couple of things.
I think that every one of us, whether we're in
the spiritual community or we're not aware of our contribution
to that huge finished puzzle, we are all contributing our
piece to that big puzzle. And what I'm trying to

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solve is what is the puzzle that we are building?
What is the thing that we are contributing to that
we are supposed to understand as this one piece contributing
to all the pieces. And from a young from a
young age, I would have this dream and I didn't
know what it meant, but I always knew that there

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was something more than what I was seeing, whether it
was adults that I was coming in contact with. And
I'm like, this can't be all there is. I can't
just be so excited to graduate high school, to then
go to college, to then suffer like all the rest
of the adults, cannot be the endgame.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
I think you know we all, yes, you say, whether
we're in the spiritual community or not, we all have
a suspicion that there is something else that we don't
know about ourselves and about our lives and our planet.
And I think everybody has that curiosity. So where does

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that come from? You know it must come from some.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, I think some of us are more aware, and
so we take the cues. We're like, oh, that was weird,
or I want to what is that? I want to
I want to go a little deeper. I keep saying,
I keep seeing one one one or three three three,
I keep seeing, in my case a symbol. And some
people just keep going. They don't take any of the cues.

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They just they just allow the current reality to flow
through them and that's and that's it, and that's enough
for them. But I think we are always being initiated
every moment. Every day, there's a moment that could take
you into a deep rabbit hole or could take you
on a transformational journey. It could be a conversation with

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a neighbor, it could be a fight with your significant other.
It could be something you've discovered in a book, or
or something really paranormal that happened to you every day.
This other existence, when I say other, another dimensional presence
that we are part of, is letting us know that

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we are still part of that.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, So tell us about this symbol and give us
a brief overview with this recurring dream.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
So I had this dream. It's the same dream all
the time. I was walking in a desert, and I
was the POV. I was the point of view of
the person, and I could tell that I was wearing
strange clothes, and I had a staff, and I would
put that staff in a place in the desert. This

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is a desert without monuments. This is a specific looking
desert actually, because I researched it. It's like rolling sands,
but not to It's not the Sahara. It's like mongolia
or something. I researched this later later on, just to

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match from the image of my head. And I would
put that staff in the middle of the sand, and
from it would be these concentric circles of light, and
then it would be twelve spokes in a wheel, and
then it would just it would just get so bright
with light, and then it'd be done over and over again,

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the same image in my head.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
So that has continued, that symbol has continued to dog
you throughout. I know that you've done an awful lot
of research. You have investigated crop circles, ancient symbols, esoteric knowledge,
mathematical calculations.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Tell us what you've found.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
So back to that big, larger puzzle piece. I don't
think my contribution to the puzzle is to ask the
same questions like who built the pyramids? And you know
all that that's for other people, that's other people's piece.
For me, it was why is this happen? Why is
this existing at all? Like why do we keep reading

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all these spiritual texts completely somehow enamored with the stories?
And if you really look at the mythology and stories
of all the spiritual texts and all the ancient texts
and all the religious texts, it's not that mind blowing.
So what is it that our hearts are gravitating towards?
So I'll start there. So what I started to notice

(08:28):
is that in all spiritual texts and religious texts and
ancient texts, they do this thing in storytelling, where they
like to leave specifics that make no sense for thousands
of years later. For instance, why do I need to
know in some of the stories in the Bible how

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many feet a soldier was behind Jesus? Why do I
need to know the measurements of Solemn Temple? Why do
I need to know how many gods or goddesses were there?
Why do I need to know when one one left?
There was this? Why do I need to know there
was a party of gods and then the thirteenth came?

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You know, why is that necessary unless it's part of
a bigger understanding of how the universe works. And so
I kind of started there because if you remember from
my dream, I had the twelve spokes and then I thought, okay,
well that's interesting. I was also fascinated with the story
of Atlantis, like, why do we need to know about

(09:37):
the concentric circles? And it's past the pillars of Hercules. Okay,
you're saying, because they he's trying to tell you what
the locations like so you can find it. But that
boggled me because no one's ever really been able to
find it. There's just remnants of an ancient civilization all
over the world sunk in underneath the ocean. So there's

(09:58):
specifics in that story that didn't really line up with
why we needed to know them. And then with the
concentric circle. Now, the concentric circle is the oldest or
one of the oldest symbols that you can find anywhere
any place. You can find it at petroglyphs, you can

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find it in caves there and fifty thousand humans have
been drawing this symbol forever. And then it's also in
texts like the twelve Gates, the duat right, there's all
these symbols and it means the construct of time. So

(10:41):
I started to think to myself, We've got all this
really great research about all this esoteric information, but why
know it unless it's showing us the construct of the
universe that we live in. And if they're was a
message of the construct of the universe we live in,

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what is it? And how can we find it? And
so the two things that I found that were very
was a pattern was the twelve, the thirteen and the
concentric circles. And this is throughout esotechnoledge, religious, spiritual texts,
building architecture, quantum physics, our biology of our DNA astronomical alignments,

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and the greater understanding of the universe that we live in,
and that became a code for me. All of these
just like we are today, All of these ancient understandings
are all brought to the surface in different ways to
show you one thing, how the universe works and what

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I've discovered and what is in this documentary is that
code and in a more grounded effort to try to
prove that everything, but I think everybody on this call
probably believes is does actually have a code, and a
way to transmute that energy is through the center, which

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is that thirteenth point. If you look at a dodecahedron,
that's a twelve phase psychogeometry shape. And if you were
to use that as a structure of the universe, how
you would move through time and space would be through
the center, which would be the thirteenth point, and that
is how you would move on to the next point.

(12:37):
You see this a lot in the Bible, actually, the
twelve by twelve, the one four. It's like an extension
of a million different times in pieces of time to
space and how to travel through it. Just like a
random note, I just couldn't help it because this is
on my brain, thinks. When the United States decided to
come forward with the fact that they have been studying UFOs,

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they do this every fifty years, right, oh my god,
it could be true, right, disclosures upon us. And they
published in the New York Times in twenty twenty that
there was one hundred and forty four UAP cases that
they couldn't solve and could be alien and not man made.
And I thought, what a random number to just drop

(13:22):
in there, since that's all over religious text, right, yeah, yeah,
on the forefront of a new religion called Believing in Aliens,
and they had to drop the one forty four just
saw I rt yea, that was the number of cases,
you know.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
I watched the movie and.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
There were so many little light bulbs going off for me.
It was reminding me in certain places. I came across that,
you know, twenty five years ago. Oh yeah, I remember
reading about that forty years ago. And what was interesting
was the numbers the thirteenth zodiac. You know, I've studied
astrology for forty plus years and I remember reading a

(14:04):
book years ago about the thirteenth zodiac, and it was
interesting that it came up in your book and the
the you know, the thirteenth sign is the serpent, you know,
a figuus, I think it is.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
And it's the serpent, which is also one of the
oldest symbols in the time.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
And you talk about numbers and you talk about the
you know, when we changed from base twelve to abase ten,
I did a really a bit of research and I
looked at you know, because I remember when written in
nineteen seventy one, you know, decimalization occurred and we went

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we used to have twelve pennies in a clown in
a fillin and then it's probably it's ten. And a
lot of things changed in Britain since the nineteenth seventies.
So I started to look about decimalization in other countries.
France and the United States went decimal in the seventeen nineties. Now,

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get this, the US Constitution written in seventeen eighty seven,
ratified in seventeen eighty eight, and in operation since seventeen
eighty nine. The French Revolution occurred in seventeen eighty nine.
Is that a coincident or.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Does something happen with this, you know switch from twelve base.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
To ten base?

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Is there another code too?

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, you know, that's that brings up Actually, somebody at
a conference, you know, yelled at you know, like I know,
I doesn't really have any questions, and somebody is like, yeah,
this is a very empirical with the twelve you know,
because we have some calculations in there that talk about
twelve feet and that kind of thing. If you think
about America, why do we have this this system that

(15:59):
doesn't match any other system in the world, Likes it's
everybody's metric, and we have we have feet, we have
like twelve feet, we have twelve inches. Right. It's it's
almost as if if the forefathers, and there's tons of
books written on this, then do any people with experts
brought over this ancient knowledge, tried to institute it in

(16:19):
America and then created the financial system under the base ten.
Because you'll you'll see again there's lots of people write
books about this, but you'll see that they tried to
create some of our capital and some of the other
cities that are early on with these alignments, specifically with
the obelisk, you know, like all of that. They brought
it over and they tried to institute a new way.

(16:42):
But then a little bit also with what you're saying.
Once in America got its freedom, they were broke. So
they had to turn around and go back to the
mother country and say will you purchased our tobacco? And
then probably when they had to institute they had to
go back to instituting that financial system, even though they

(17:05):
were hoping to build a new structure with these you know,
new calculations of things. But of course it just made
it difficult for all of us Americans. Now we got
to calculate two different things, you know, metric system.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
And yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, these things, they
can't just be random coincidences.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
No, you know, I don't believe in that at all.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
You know, you spoke to a friend of yours, Maria Wheatley,
who gave you some information about earth energies.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yes, and Maria Wheatley, I love I love Maria Wheatly.
I think that she is a hidden gem in the community. Uh.
And and somebody who really understands lay lines into art
lines and how the ancients use that energy on such
a level. And one of the things that we talked

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about was my the that there's just you know, could
there be something more to the mythology of Atlantis? And
she said, well, I have a strange calculation for you
that seems to take place at Stonehenge and the measurements
that Plato gives for Atlantis, and those measurements of the

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diameter of Atlantis seemed to be the diameter of Stonehenge,
and they come up with the same calculation, and that
calculation is the diameter of the Earth calculated within the
small sarcon stones of Stonehenge, and the the calculations that

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Plato gives of Atlantis, like he specifically gives a calculation
of this is how many stadia, which is a Greek
form of an ancient Greek form of measurement of how
big Atlantis was. Again, why do we need to know that?
You know? I guess you could say, well, when you
find it, you're going to know, because you're going to
measure it. But unless it was encoded with what it

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really means, and it's just ironic that it's the exact
same measurement that's in the sarcen stones of Stonehenge, and
it both equals times using a multiple of ten. The
diameter of Earth so it's as if those same calculations
were in a base ten system. Now you're thinking, okay,
but Atlantis is old, and Atlantis is supposed to be

(19:27):
where all the advanced beans were, and then there was
the fall, and then all of us are you know,
forever trying to get back on that cloud, if you will.
But there's a lot of new research coming out from
not myself but from other people that suggest that the
fall of Atlantis is maybe a little bit different than
we thought it was. That there were different factions believing

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in different systems. So it seemed to be from other
people's research that, of course, because none of us have
bend to Atlantis, so we're all speculating based on history
and concepts that there was a two faction system where
Atlantis kind of became split. There used to be twelve
tribes of Atlanta's twelve colonies of Atlantis, and those colonies

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split belief systems, one getting focused more on you know,
this is kind of the mythology of technology and trying
to control the earth in a false way against the
universal principles, and another faction following the universal principles. So
the thought process is at some point somebody came in

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and kind of reprogrammed some of these ancient sites to
align with this kind of for the sake of this conversation,
a non natural system that went against the universal system
which we are all part of, and that caused the fall.
So what we have left over is remnants of this

(20:58):
ancient set system of kind of this base ten system
for the sake of division here and this other universal
connection which is on a base twelve system. And we
can find that at all these ancient temples, we see
the divisions even when we're talking of just strange principles
into our understanding.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
So the multiples of ten, the concentric circles, you know,
Atlantistan numbers, etc. All of this must represent some kind
of lost understanding, some information that we no longer have.
But it's kind of being teased, you know, it's there,

(21:42):
we just haven't joined the dots together. In the movie,
you take us on this quest to answer some of
these questions, and all kinds of things come up, things
like you know, emerald tablets come into it, and you
know top and abydos and you know, pillars and all

(22:05):
kinds of strange things.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
This must have been.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
A really exciting but also really frustrating journey.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
For you, Yeah, very much so, and all the pieces,
so the documentary. So I'm a filmmaker at heart. I
think that finding the truth doesn't need to be boring
and stodgy and you know, has to be so stuck
in like Okay, I'm just talking and then therefore that's

(22:34):
nothing and that makes what truth is. And I say
that because I needed a way to explain how these
people came into my life. I would get stuck and
I'd be like, Okay, there's another piece to this. I
don't know what the piece is, but I haven't I
haven't found it yet. I haven't found the complete concept.

(22:55):
One of the characters, one of the characters that came
to me randomly, not so as dramatic as the movie
is that just out of nowhere, I get a message
on LinkedIn from this guy named Isaac who is a
sidereal astrologist. So he studies with the thirteen zodiac signs

(23:17):
as you were talking about earlier, Opikus, and and he
kind of pops up and he's like, I'm in Egypt
right now, and I've discovered something and I think you
need to I think you need to know about it
now This is really random, because I don't know who
this person is. I haven't put my documentary out because
I'm not done with my research. I'm making no claims
about anything except that obviously I'm a producer and I've

(23:40):
done some shows on ancient civilizations. So the fact this
person is reaching out to me. I usually never answer
these these things because I don't know what kind of
person they are. But I was like, I'm gonna answer him,
so I answer him. We saw up a zoom call.
He starts, he starts showing me some things. He's he's
on his phone getting yelled at it by the people,
and he's like, ookay, there's a black spot here. Da
da da da dah. And immediately I was like, this

(24:04):
is the missing piece, but I didn't know exactly what
it was. And when we got into it, and we
actually he had no idea why I wanted to interview him.
He thought it was about that the Temple of Dundera.
They're trying to cover up the thirteenth Sodiet. They're literally
trying to erase it as if it ever existed, and
only stick to the twelve. But there was something that

(24:24):
I found in his work that he had not necessarily
put the pieces together, and that is he had. He
had also discovered at all of these sites, whether it
was the tomb of Seti or he was in Abu Simbal,
or he was in Dindera, there was this angle that

(24:47):
all the staffs were at and that angle was a
twenty three point five calculation and he couldn't figure out
what that had to do, but he felt like it
had to do with a fecus. And so in the
doc documentary, I put some of these pieces together and
at the end when he saw it, he's like, oh
my god, I had no idea that this was where

(25:08):
you were going. So in the documentary, I think what
I want to come across is that everybody who came
into the research came in such a random point. It's
such a like almost like a universal connection. I had
opened up the doors. I said, okay, I want to know.

(25:29):
I just give me a little like I know, I'm stuck.
I can't this isn't complete. And somebody would just come forward.
So I'd meet somebody at a cafe. I would get
word that somebody was doing blah blah blah, and I
would say, hey, what are you working on? So everything
really came together naturally and frustrating because I didn't have
the answer right away. Maybe it's because I'm a Sagittarius

(25:52):
and I need to know like now, But I would
say it was very exciting. It was exciting not because
I feel like I have the truth. It was exciting
because I felt that I was finally saying and doing
what I came here to do. What I came here
to contribute to everybody else's research and compliment what they

(26:15):
were doing. And I don't think I have all the answers.
It's impossible. It's impossible for one person to have all
the answers. But I do have a piece, and I'm
hoping that this piece, this is the exciting part for me.
I hope that that piece ignites other pieces and people
so that they can contribute their pieces. That to me,

(26:36):
is the most exciting part.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
To be honest with you, Yeah, and you don't have
all the answers, but you certainly have enough new questions
to really get excited to try and find those answers.
We're going to take a short break now you're listening
to what is going on. I'm Sandy sedge Beer and
my guest today is investigative journalist, producer and writer Melissa Tita.

(26:58):
She's the founder of Or Studios, which specializes in films
and TV shows and content on ancient civilizations, aliens, human potential,
and sci fi. And we're talking about Melissa's latest documentary,
Code Twill, which explores the questions are we living in
a simulation?

Speaker 4 (27:19):
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Speaker 2 (27:20):
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Speaker 4 (31:17):
Welcome back, Melissa Ttail.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
So the film raises the questions that the ancient texts
suggest that at some point in our history our planet
was programmed at a certain frequency that actually lowered our
human potential.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Tell me more about that.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
So if we take if we go back to the
Fall of Atlantis, and whether you believe in the Fall
and Lantis or not, there was definitely some massive destruction
that had happened on this planet, and the ancient texts,
the Emerald tablets I'm referring to that one at this
moment has talked about how this destruction caused the last

(32:06):
inhabitants of Atlantis to move to what is now Egypt,
so the ancient land of Ken and Toath takes credit
and explains that he was empowered to build the Great
Pyramid to admit some kind of frequency around the planet,

(32:26):
to stabilize the planet, to create another kind of consciousness.
I'm paraphrasing the Emerald Tablets right now, but basically that
whole chapter, chapter five is where he talks about this
fall and that he this is something that he was
given power to do by the powers that be, to

(32:49):
kind of create this new consciousness. And the idea was
that there was a lot of destruction and the earth
was unstable, so to create stability.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
The other concept was that the stability was caused by
this kind of split in the twelve Colonies twelve tribes
of Atlantis, that the group that was trying to control
the earth, to control the consciousness of the Earth, to
keep it at a certain level, which possibly caused the

(33:18):
great destruction of what is now considered Atlantis. Those people
had done it in such a way against using universal order,
but controlling it in such a way that it opened
up lower dimensions. And those lower dimensions were now coming
into I think, to paraphrase Emial tablets, coming into the

(33:38):
blood of man and infecting them, if you will. And
so Tooth was kind of empowered to not only stabilize
the earth with the construction of the Great Pyramid and
this frequency device, but to create a kind of a
barrier against any of these dimensions coming into our dimension

(33:59):
any further, so cutting us off from our universal order,
our universal connection to how the universe actually works and
that we're part of, to protect the beings that we're
here from, these lower dimensional beings from getting in. So
what that? Did you know? This is how all things happen, right,
their laws and policies. Constructions are built with good intentions

(34:25):
to create a place where people are safe. But once
they've outgrown it, or they've lost connection to what they're
really part of, it's left behind for us to understand.
But we are not really sure exactly how we're connected.
Then it's a disservice. And so now we're living in

(34:47):
that kind of collected consciousness bubble of limitation, when we
are not that limitation. We are beyond that. We are
part of all those dimensions, we have access to them.
But I think that, I mean, we've come up with
who's stopping us and all of that, and we love that.
I think as humans, we want we want to we

(35:08):
want a villain, we want a protagonist, we want a hero, right,
we want we want to create the story so we
feel better in it. But we are the villain. The
protagonists and the hero at the same time, the system
is only working to our disadvantage because we believe in it.
And and that is is the greater work, not just

(35:31):
for one person, but for communities and for groups of people.
To understand that all of our limitations are part of
this cloud we've created, and that we still somehow believe in.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
And and I think that that's the greater work. And
the more we understand, the more we conceptualize in our
logistical three D reality that we live in right now,
that that is true, it will start to disappear. It's
it's uh, it won't seem so drastic, Like there's a
bunch of us wanting change, just has to change, and
you know, I agree, And there's a bunch of us

(36:06):
going well kind of like my stuff, you know, and
there's something wrong with those people, and change is scary.
But if all of us start to understand that the
universe operates on a completely different principle than we are,
than we are functioning right now, Like I'm talking not
even talking to esymetic stuff. I'm talking I'm talking free energy.

(36:28):
I'm talking the way that we communicate with each other.
I'm talking about how policies and laws are created, like
the universe does not operate on the principles of which
we do things right now. And if we somehow understood
that the transition would not be difficult, it would just
seem more natural that we wouldn't do as yz. It
wouldn't be we're fighting the government or we're fighting our

(36:51):
neighbor for belief systems and policies. It just would be like, oky, well,
that's how you know, that's how it works. And I
think quantum physicists, I am not a quantum physicist, but
I think that that is their piece of the puzzle.
They are constantly putting papers out there that get pushed
aside because we emotionally are driven to all the other

(37:13):
rhetoric that's going on in the newspaper or our social media,
and those people are saying, look, the universe is operating
completely different, and they're actually talking about the fact the
things that we spiritually in spiritual communities talk about. They're
talking about thoughts that they're talking about organized matter, how

(37:36):
nothing is nothing in space, like it's literally all of
a sudden somebody puts their attention to it, and all
those automata all of a sudden turn into something, they
turn into matter, they refigure themselves, meaning that we have
so much control, we have no idea. It's insane, it's insane,
and we just don't want to look there. We're like, yeah,

(37:58):
but what about all this stuff that's really bad? Yes,
it is one hundred percent happening. But if we all
started to focus on that, that is now how things
work naturally as humans, we would start to gravitate towards
what is bigger than us instead of what makes us small.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
I think you know a lot of people I speak
to in and outside the spiritual community, you know, a
lot of people are scared to believe that, you know,
we live in a simulation because they think that if
that is true, then there is nothing more than that.
You know, everything is a simulation. But what this what

(38:37):
your documentary is showing us that it's.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
It's actually not that you know, there is there may.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Well be this kind of miasma, this cloud, you know,
that is preventing us from evolving. But if we can
move through that, then it's a completely different story. It's
not like, oh, the rest of the universe is.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
A simulation, so true that my black part thinks the
same way.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
For sure, you know what's interesting. I enjoyed when you
were talking. I think it was donastics You were talking
about the how we were meant to be twelve strand
beings and that if we could reclaim the twelve strands
of our DNA potential, we could potentially, you know, traverse

(39:30):
the universe with our physical body. I mean, he talks
about the language of magnetic Scala energy.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Tell us a little bit about.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
That, yeah, doctor Jerry, or that was Jerry?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (39:45):
I know, there's so many people.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
I know.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
A fascinating Donastas was the one about the automat about
organizing space time doctor Jerry. He talks about he does
talk with the difference between b and base twelve and
he built a machine with quants of physics about how
to kind of kind of ignite your lost DNA, Like
right now we have DNA strands of three, which we

(40:09):
could have twelve. And he talks about the twelve dimensions
of time space that we have access to, but we're
kind of cut off. And he really gets into at
some point we just there's just proof that just at
some point we just didn't have access to it. And
I think that that goes back to this concept that

(40:30):
something happened to all of us that we just kind
of got cut up from our potential. I tried his machine,
but I hadn't finished the documentary yet, and I'm such
a purist. I didn't want to fly out into space
until I had finished the documentary because my fear is
always that I'm going to get too deep into something
and I'm not going to be objective enough to be

(40:52):
able to translate it into where we are now?

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Do you know anything?

Speaker 3 (41:00):
So I did. So. It's a sound and light machine.
Your eyes are closed, but you can feel the light
and the patterns, and as you know, you're in the dark,
but you can feel them across. It's like all of
a sudden you start to see them, but your eyes
are closed. You start to see the patterns, and then
it's the sound, and then the machine has I actually

(41:23):
I don't know how it completely works up to talk
to him, but I I immediately felt my body. I
knew I was in my physical body in this time
space mansion, but I felt myself lifting and I hit
a wall. I felt, I guess my soul or astral body.
I'm not sure what it would be, but it hit

(41:44):
It hit a wall, and I stopped it from going
further because I knew that this was this was it,
this was the cloud, the whatever. And I was fighting
against the wall because it was pushing me and it
was like all this energy and it was like moving
me and I'm like, no, I'm not moving. And then
I had to gather the machine because I thought I
was going to have a heart attack. So it was
like all of this energy moving me out into these

(42:07):
other spaces, these spaces, but I didn't I did not
want to go. I was like, I can't go until
I finished this. So anyway, I've been telling doctor Jerry
that I got to go back and I got to
try the machine completely.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
I want to know.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
It's interesting, I mean, you know, you you you make
the point that the idea of a device or a
symbol or a lost artifact, you know, could control the
world isn't just preserved.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
For Marvel movies.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
It's you know, we've got billionaires that looking at you know,
their power, the amount of power they've gotten.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
They want to go beyond this world onto other worlds,
you know.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
And I don't know quite what their motivation is, but
I think that there's a in every culture, every mythology.
We all have these stories about these implements, these things
that we have to search for, and you know, it
could just be as simple as we're searching for ourselves

(43:12):
are true selves.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a little there's a little bit
of pushback I got when the movie first came out
about how you know what we're looking for is in technology,
it's spiritual And I would agree, but I also would say,
for the sake of in technology is maybe not the
right word, but it's the word that we have right now,
that our spiritual mechanism is a technology. It's just not

(43:38):
like like technology we think of today, like AI technology,
but our spiritual component, how we control that is a
technology that is far more advanced than any of the
things that we are man made creating right now. And
so when I say that we're looking for a technology,
I think that ancients, I mean, we talked about this
with William Henry and the documentary were also cut off

(44:02):
from what they remember being part of and and created
things to break through to help their soul get to
that next level. He talks about a thing called the
Osiris device, which is prevalent in Abbados and Dindera and
talks about how the pharaoh and the priestess would work
together to operate this machine so that they could they

(44:24):
could traverse time and space. And so that technology is
feels like a technology, right, some kind of device, just
like in the movies, like I was saying in the documentary,
like Marvel movies, where you have the thing and then
you can do whatever.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
But I truly believe and there is and I think
Miss sam Harriman even says it in the documentary that
all of these stories about people that were able to
do great things, the arc of the Covenant, you know,
to enter Solomon's temple, right to hold the staff of raw,
you know, you see this in Indiana Jones and stuff
like that. They we had to have a certain spiritual

(45:03):
component to get even close to those devices. So whatever
they were, however they operated, nobody of ill intentions could
touch them. They couldn't touch them. They would die, they
would be burned horrifically, they would disappear like in indianagas
is turned to dust. Right. So I think that this

(45:23):
concept is we could search the world for all the
power we want, but you will never find it until
you are spiritually connected and attuned to that of what
creates worlds, and we can create all the false power
we want, and we have and people have created those structures.

(45:45):
But true power is on a spiritual level. And I
think that's what all those stories are about. You know,
it's exciting to look for an object, but the object
it could be something so mundane to you out in
the movies where it's like, ah, it's like gold and
crystals and diamonds and beautiful, and it could be just

(46:07):
like a boring rock. But if you actually held all
that spiritual power inside of you, it would become something else.
And that's what I really feel that these stories are
trying to say, and what I'm trying to say in
Code twelve is that we are looking for this power,
but even if we came in contact with the Arc
of the Covenant, I don't think we could actually see

(46:29):
it unless we were of that spiritual nature. There's a
reason why if all those stories are true about the
Knights Templar and the Rosicrucians and people hiding the Arc
of the Covenant or the Holy Braille, right, it had
to only be certain people that could resonate at the
frequency of which it could see it, and they could

(46:49):
could hide it. So I think that's what we're talking
about technology on a spiritual level that we have access
to absolutely.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
You know. You also, if I am interpreting it right,
you also talk about, you know, disinformation and deliberate disinformation,
and you mention the flower of life, which many people
take to be something wonderful, but you suggest that it
can be a distraction. Say a little bit about that.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Well, Doctor Jerry talks about this a lot in the documentary.
But the flower of life is a structure. God, I
wish I could show you right now, but the flower
of life. So you have the flower of life has
the five pedals, and then it has the structure of
the pattern, right, and then you have the universal flower

(47:48):
of life, the lotus, which has a different kind of structure.
It looks the same, but it's more intricate and it
operates like a taurus. So it's not so what the
flower of life. I feel like it's just a piece
of the puzzle. If you've ever followed Robert Gilbert's work,
he talks about sacred geometry, and a lot of people

(48:11):
talk about sacred geometry, but the concept of the five
the pentagram is really sacred in the dodecahedron, because each
of those twelve faces also has a five pointed star
within them. So you have the flower of life, which
is just in the fact that it's missing some components.

(48:33):
It has some of them. It represents some kind of power,
but it doesn't necessarily represent all the power, which is
the universal flower of life, the lotus flower, if you will.
And so what I think doctor Jerry is trying to
say in the documentary, and we hint at when we
ask people to just take notice, is that there's spiritual

(48:56):
stuff that has been passed down for many years through
these esoteric communities, for thousands and thousands of years that
has maybe been distorted, and maybe that's purposeful so that
people are not activating the field the way that they
should be, so that they're not breaking out. And who
are these people that have decided to do misinformation for

(49:18):
thousands of years? I mean, I could make some speculations,
but for the point of this conversation, I think to
be aware that there's always two sets of the same imagery.
And if the point at one point was to make
sure nobody crossed over the barrier because nobody could be trusted,

(49:39):
and now it's becoming too complicated. People are figuring this
out like they want, like the system doesn't work anymore.
That those people that maybe were trying to do misinformation
to make sure people weren't accessing outside of the field
to maybe cause harms over the structure was because people
weren't ready. But I think people are ready. I think

(50:01):
people are now really materializing the fact that it's not
about leaving like in the matrix where you unplug from
some tube and you're stuck in like an incubator. You're
not leaving your loved ones. You're you're doing what all
these great teachers have taught, which is to leave, gather
the information, come back, change the infrastructure from the inside out.

(50:23):
And that shouldn't feel so scary. It should just feel like, Wow,
I'm really glad I know that, so that I can
I can be the teacher I came here to be.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yeah, yeah, good point. So you are making this movie
available free? Yeah on September the twenty first, just a
few days time, for two days, for forty eight hours.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Why are you doing that?

Speaker 3 (50:48):
I came up with this movie end of last year
and we had it for sale. It's on Amazon Prime
in the UK and the United States. I got a
bunch of emails saying that they wanted to access it
in other countries, and Amazon was in a allowing that,
so I put it on our platform, Hathur Studio, to
allow people to purchase it on there. But it's just
gotten to such a point that I want I just

(51:10):
want people to have the knowledge. I want people to
see it. I want them to be inspired to do
their own work, and I feel like it's the right
time to do it. I think it's the right time
for people to be able to have this movie and
do what they need to do with it.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
So people can go to Hathelstudio dot com now they
can register for that and they can get a link
to watch it free on the twenty first through the
twenty second. So you're also following that up with a
confidence with some of the people in the movie tell
us about that.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Yes, so I think that when I mean, I don't
know if you felt this way, but the movie ends
and you're like, Okay, I have more questions and answers.
And the movie finished end of last year. So since
that time, there's been a lot more search that has
come out, and so we have ten speakers. We have
a couple of people from the movie, and we have

(52:07):
people that aren't in the movie but that saw the
movie and said, I really want to be part of
this conference because the movie has actually sparked me in
my research to understand a component of something I've discovered.
And so we have a conference where we're not only
answering some of the questions that are people like, yeah,

(52:27):
but what about we never answered X, Y Z, and
then some of the new discoveries and new kind of
connections that people have made after the movie, which is
going to be pretty exciting. So we have we have
some of the people from the movie, Doctor Jerry, we
talked about William Henry, Maria Wheatley, Greg Braden is going

(52:49):
to be joining us. He's got some new discoveries that
correlate with this code that's been found. Doctor Sue Morder,
who does a lot of feminine energy components, so we
a little bit on this. We talked about the thirteen
and also the thirteen being very taboo and that being
kind of a magnetic component, the feminine component which really

(53:10):
needs to be under understood at this time. And Mattias
de Stefano is going to talk about Atlantis and some
new discoveries that he found with the twelve and Robert
Gilbert and the sim Harriman who are going to talk
about sacred geometry and quantum physics and some discoveries that
have come out.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
And this is going to be over six weekends.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Yes, and but it's you know, here's the thing. If
you're like, I don't know if I have six weekends
to commit to one online covers, It's okay. They're recorded.
You know, you're going to get a date in a time.
You're also gonna get an email to ask your questions.
I think at the end of them giving information. It's
always important for people to be able to ask questions

(53:53):
because that's part of the conference is a live component
for you to interact. And you know, but if you
can't make all of them, it's totally fine. We're going
to have it recorded, so you'll have access to that
for twelve months and the movie as well, so you
can you know, take notes.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I guess, so people can sign up for that on
the website as well. So are you kind of you know,
chumping at the bit to get on and do the sequel?

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Yes, yes, yes, And I'm hoping that actually the proceeds
from the conference will go to the sequel, because we
have several experiments that we want to do, and some
with some quantum physicists and some in some temples and
locations that I don't want to say yet until we
were there. But it's going to be really exciting because

(54:45):
I think the more evidence that we can ground into
the reality that we think we live versus the reality
that we could have is actually going to be monumental
for our human potential.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
Brilliant. Well, I encourage everybody to watch it. It really
is a riveting documentary. Melissa Tito, thank you for joining
us today. It's been a great pleasure.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
So.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
For more information about Melissa, you can visit hatholstudio dot com,
where you can also register to see Code twelve for
free on September twenty first, twenty second, and if you're
interested in unlocking the matrix, you can also learn more
about and register for her six week online conference with

(55:30):
Greg Braden and several of the experts in the movie.
And the link for that is Hatholstudio dot com. Forward
Slash Code Dash twelve Dash Confidence, but you'll also find
a link at Hatholstudio dot com. That's it for this week.
I'm Sandy Sedgeber. I'll be back at the same time
next week with another edition of What Is going On?

(55:51):
Till then, it's goodbye from me and thank you again
to Melissa Titar.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Thank you so much.

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