January 9, 2025 • 53 mins
Air Date - 09 January 2025
In this week’s show, Jan Engels-Smith joins Sandie to share her transformative journey from a traditional scientific background to becoming a shamanic practitioner and founder of the Light Song School and offers profound insights into shamanism, healing, and the nature of existence.
TOPICS INCLUDE:
• The evolution of Shamanism in the 31st Century
• The interconnectedness of souls
• The teaching s of the Mystery Schools
• The importance of Soul Retrieval
• The vibrational Nature of Manifestation
And more…
Jan Engels-Smith, ShD., MEd is a Shamanic Practitioner, Licensed Professional Counselor, Chemical Dependency Specialist, Hypnotherapist, Reiki Master, and author of the books Through the Rabbit Hole: Exploring Energy and the Shamanic Journey and Becoming Yourself: The Journey from Head to Heart, which won the reader’s choice award. The founder of LightSong School of 21st Century Shamanism and Energy Medicine, she developed the first energy medicine curriculum of its kind, which offers degree courses including a bachelor's, master's, and doctorate in shamanism. She is a monthly contributor to the Sedona Journal of Emergence.
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In this week’s show, Jan Engels-Smith joins Sandie to share her transformative journey from a traditional scientific background to becoming a shamanic practitioner and founder of the Light Song School and offers profound insights into shamanism, healing, and the nature of existence.
TOPICS INCLUDE:
• The evolution of Shamanism in the 31st Century
• The interconnectedness of souls
• The teaching s of the Mystery Schools
• The importance of Soul Retrieval
• The vibrational Nature of Manifestation
And more…
Jan Engels-Smith, ShD., MEd is a Shamanic Practitioner, Licensed Professional Counselor, Chemical Dependency Specialist, Hypnotherapist, Reiki Master, and author of the books Through the Rabbit Hole: Exploring Energy and the Shamanic Journey and Becoming Yourself: The Journey from Head to Heart, which won the reader’s choice award. The founder of LightSong School of 21st Century Shamanism and Energy Medicine, she developed the first energy medicine curriculum of its kind, which offers degree courses including a bachelor's, master's, and doctorate in shamanism. She is a monthly contributor to the Sedona Journal of Emergence.
http://www.janengelssmith.com
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to what is going on for New Thought from
the Edge of Arm. Each week on home Time's flagship
radio show, veteran broadcaster, author, and media consultant Sandy Sedgeber
conducts thought provoking interviews with inspirational authors, artists, musicians, scientists, speakers,
and filmmakers who are working at the point where spirituality
(00:32):
and science meet consciousness at the very edge of Arm.
Here is your host, Sandy Sedgeber.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hello. According to this week's guest, the universe launches us
at birth as perfect beings on the path to fulfillment,
but deceptive values from cultures distort our connection to the
cosmos and cause us to diverge from this path. Our
efforts to restore ourselves to the true meaning of where
our existence are the basis for human development. Joining me
(01:04):
today to share insights on the restoration of our true
self from her two books, Through the Rabbit Hole Exploring
Energy in the Shamanic Journey and Becoming Yourself for the
Journey from Head to Heart is Shamanic practitioner, licensed professional counselor,
hypnotherapist and Reiki master Jan Engel Smith, who is founder
(01:26):
of the Lights Song School of First Centuries shamanism and
energy medicine, and a leading edge teacher in manifestation. Jan
Engels Smith, Welcome, Hello, Hi, thank you. So you started
your personal quest for understanding through science, which led you
(01:48):
to psychology, which led you to spiritualism, which ultimately took
you all the way back to your earlier scientific studies.
And you said that you now understand that all of
your studies a one study in art and science of
universal consciousness. Tell me about how this journey began for you.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Well, the journey began actually in a very I guess
in a shamanic way. But it's not a way that
I say is necessary for people, because a lot of
people will hear my story and then they'll think, oh,
that has to happen to me. But I had an
apparition where a being actually appeared in my living room,
(02:32):
a woman, an old, elderly Native woman. She was standing
there and I walked in and I said, who are you?
What are you doing in my living room? And she said,
I am your grandmother, I am you, I am your sister,
I am the Earth, which was not what I was
expecting her to say. And she said, I've come to
(02:57):
ask you to learn the ways but if you accept this,
your life will forever be changed. And so there was
no way that I was going to accept this. I
was going to say, no, you need to leave, because
I want to give you a little bit of background here.
I was living in Dallas, Texas, which was in the
Bible Belt, and I was very involved in the church.
(03:19):
In fact, I was thinking about getting my doctorate in theology.
It was very, very involved in it, and I loved it.
I loved the whole idea. And I had not been
exposed to anything metaphysical ever in my life. Nothing. The
only thing I had seen native was on TV, you
know that type of thing. So when she was saying this,
(03:40):
I had no concept of what she was talking about,
or who she was, or what any of this meant.
And like I said, I was going to say, no,
you need to leave. But I heard this crow calling
outside the window, and instead of hearing caw caw caw,
I was hearing trust, trust, trust, And so I said yes.
(04:05):
And she pulled out a pipe, which I didn't have
any idea of what a pipe was in Native tradition,
and we smoked it, which kind of seals the deal.
It makes a contract in a very cosmic way, and
she gave me my medicine, and she said, you are
carrying the medicine of the North, which is healing, wisdom
(04:27):
and love. And then I heard this sound like somebody
was coming into the room, like possibly my husband or something.
And I turned to look to see who was coming
in and turned back and she was gone, and I
was left like what just happened? Now? Also some background here.
(04:50):
I was a psychotherapist. I was working in the disassociative
ward of the hospital, specializing in multiple personality this order.
So I also had infant twins and a two year old.
So my stress levels and my listening to quite extensive
(05:14):
other worldly stories all day and watching people shift from
alter to alter, which is a term that you use,
I had a very different, I guess unique sense of
what is possible in the world. And that's what that
training taught me. It taught it was a great foundational
(05:35):
teaching or segue into shamanism. However, when I started telling
my family and my friends about this, they just thought
I had really lost it. And here comes a truck.
I don't know if that makes a difference or not.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Can you hear that I saw it? We just note
the time I can hear it. Yeah, that's okay. I'm
just going to see if I can do that thing
that I wanted to do while it's give me a
let me know when it's gone.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Okay, I think it's gone.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You think it's gone. Okay, good, I can't find that thing. Okay,
I'll find this point and we will just cut that out.
Do you remember what you were saying? Yes, okay, you
just want to kind of start the beginning of that bit.
I mean, you talked about your training as being perfect
foundation for this.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Sure, my friends and family really thought that I was
off base. They thought I had too much stress, that
I was breaking down because of my job, and I
lost a lot of friends. I mean I was literally
asked to leave my Sunday school class that I wasn't
(06:53):
a fit anymore for it. Looking at this post my training.
It's actually called a shamanic dismemberment, where you are dismembered.
Literally your whole life falls apart. And the reason for this,
(07:13):
the purpose of it is so that you can remember
who you actually are. So they it's a practice that's done.
You can do it in a journey dismembering all the
time to let go of all things that you're attached
to and various things like that to keep you energetically clean,
(07:35):
or they can happen in your life spontaneously, which is
what this was. It was a horrible time in my life.
I am a very, very social person. I love my friends,
I love social events. Entertaining all those things, they were
all stripped from me. I literally thought that I would
(07:57):
have a cross burning in my front yard at one time,
because again I'm in the Bible belt of our country.
It did not go over with but and there's many
times that I thought, well, why not just say I
must have been dreaming, But I couldn't. I couldn't. I
(08:17):
had said yes to something, and it felt like there
was something more there. I can't describe it. I don't
remember that thinking to remember the words, except that I
was distressed and overcome with grief and depression. In the meantime,
(08:40):
somewhere in there, I had a dream. And in the
dream there was a voice that said, you need to
move to the northwest. The vortexes are changing in your country.
I didn't know what the world of vortex was, but
I said okay. And I remember saying to my husband
(09:02):
by now we have again. We had infant twins, and
I remember saying to him, we need to move to
the Northwest. I had a dream and he just looked
at me and he said, Jan, enough, no enough. I said, okay,
let's just go up and visit. My best friend from
(09:22):
my childhood had just moved to Portland, Oregon. I said,
let's just go up and visit. So we did, and
sure enough, he magically, we say, magically, landed a job
of his dreams. And we were there three months after
our visit, so they even paid for our move, you know.
(09:43):
And then during that time I was at a conference
with my husband. There was a bookstore that had a
display in the lobby. He came up and got me
and said, Jan, come down and take a look at
some of these books. You might be interested in them.
(10:03):
I went down there and they were all on reincarnation, channeling,
you know, various metaphysical topics. I asked the clerk, I said,
do you know anything about visions or operations? And she
said no, but I know somebody that does. And she
handed me this woman's card. So I called this woman
(10:27):
and she said, you need to come in for a
reading and she channeled angels. I did, and this woman
is still a friend of mine, you know. Thirty five
years later I went in for the reading, and when
she was in her channeling state, the woman got up
and went to a bookshelf and got the book Sole
(10:48):
Retrieval and handed it to me and she said, this
is your life. And that was the beginning of it.
And so I then started my training and whole series
of things happened that after the move, I helped somebody
with an event that was for Native Americans. This elder
(11:11):
just took a shining to me and asked me to
become part of his family. And so I was adopted
into a Lakota family, and you know, I mean, everything
just changed completely. New version of myself emerged.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And thankfully your husband was right there with you.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yes he was. He was an extraordinary man. He has passed,
but he was my foundation and always respected me and
really marveled at what was happening and wasn't challenged by
it at all. He was an extremely intelligent MENSA member,
(11:57):
very very bright, and was not challenged by my different
way of looking at the world.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Which is exactly what you needed when everybody else was
walking away.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yes, I don't know what I would learn.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You trained with them, Sandra Ingemann and Nikolhana. I mean,
you know, with all the names, all the wonderful people,
and now you write about a century shamanism, which implies
that there's something different about us century shamanism than what
came before. What is the difference?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
What I have learned is that the concept of old
shamanism was based in many of the attitudes that people
have that you could be, you could trick things, you
could maneuver and manipulate and possibly even lie to get
(12:58):
your needs met. And that was happening in shamanism. It
was a sort of a power oriented philosophy, like who's
got the most power. It was very competitive and still
is in certain organizations around the world. I learned in
(13:20):
my work with the spirits that these are man made concepts,
that they do not exist in the spirit world, and
that there's a benevolence that is divine. It doesn't have
any of the emotions or the needs that we express
in humans. To me, that was the twenty first and
(13:43):
so I had to abort a lot of the things
that I learned at the Foundation, because the Foundation for
Shamanic studies. Their teachings was really based in some of
the styles and the things that we did in there
as technique like soul thief, soul stealing. How do you
(14:05):
get the soul back? We can do some trickery and
you can do this, and it was like, no, it
doesn't work that way. And I feel as if my
work has really been based on bringing a newer version
of shamanism. We have evolved as human beings and our
(14:27):
concepts need to evolve with us. We can't hold on
to those old things like that. We live in a
new world. People are expecting new things, and I believe
that one of the things that we need to understand
is our own divinity and that's what soul retrieval is
really based in. But then a lot of the techniques
(14:50):
didn't stand up to that. And so one of my
gigs is really evolving shamanism into twenty first century under
standings and concepts of love and light and how all
these things have this huge impact on us. When we
embrace them fully and understand our own divinity, we become well.
(15:14):
Along with new techniques. Doing the techniques differently, there's a
depossession that we use the term for and if you
look at depossession in the church or even in old shamanism,
it was a power over a possessing spirit. You took charge,
you had command, and it's like that spirit, that possessing
(15:38):
being is also a divine light. It's just placed. Yes,
So you don't want to take power over. You want
to do a massive healing for both. You want to
do it for your client as well as the being
that's caught there. Now that would never have been understood
(15:59):
in old shaman It's an understanding again of we all
carry a heart light, we're all divine with or without
a body, and things need to be respected that way
and understood that way so that you can have a
win win situation. It's not a win lose, it's a
(16:20):
win win.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You founded Light Song School nineteen ninety four, which is
a long time ago. You developed the first energy medicine curricula,
you know, so that people coming in could you know,
go from I don't know, complete nubie to get in
a bachelor's and masters and even a doctorate degree in shamanism.
What made you decide to do that because that must
(16:44):
have been quite a challenge. You know, there are lots
of scores of shamanism out there. You were offering something
completely different. Did you find that hard going at first?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Oh, it's tremendously difficult. It took us years, probably at
least ten twelve years of research and things to do this.
My objective in it though, was I wanted to make
shamanism readily available for anybody, which meant that we needed
(17:17):
to be able to have insurances cover it, which is
a very needed thing, at least in the United States,
because pain out of pocket for services can be cost prohibitive,
prohibitive to a lot of people. Well, the only way
that you can do that is to have a curriculum
(17:38):
that is standardized. You have to be able to prove
what you're teaching and that everybody is getting the same training.
So that's what we worked on you to really qualify.
The person coming out of our programs is really cream
(17:59):
of the crop. They don't have a hodgepodge. They can't
randomly go I'm going to go to this teacher and
learn this, and I'm going to go to that teacher
and learn this, and oh, now I'm going to say
that I can teach something. No, you had to, you know,
have documented results of your work like for our practitioners
when they were getting their masters. They you know, they
(18:21):
had to do over one hundred and fifty documented cases.
And one of the important things for me was what
did you learn? What did you learn as a practitioner
different than what I taught you? Because my goal was
always that they've become better than me. I want you
(18:41):
to shine, because when you shine, then you're having results
out there that are also shining. Soon after we started
the curriculum, we were asked to do a study on
PTSD for vets mostly coming home from Afghanistan at the time,
(19:06):
and we were contacted by a major teacher teaching hospital
out here called Oregon oyches View. It's a big hospital,
and I asked him, I said, why did you pick
us out of all the different shamanic bases thinking the foundation,
you know, why did you pick us? And they said,
because you had a curriculum that we knew who we
(19:28):
were getting and we knew that all the different practitioners
that were going to be doing this study were trained
the same way and going to be using the same techniques,
and so that was important to me. Credentials are important.
Training is important. I see ourselves as we are doctors
of the soul. And you have doctors for mental health,
(19:50):
physical health, emotional health, but the soul is the most
important part of you. Is the most important part of you,
and shaman's shamans are doctors of the soul.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You have a number of case histories that you share
with us. There was one in particular that I'm sure
everybody would be interested in, and that was the one
with Jim who had made a commitment to John Lennon.
Did you share that one with us?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Absolutely. In shamanism, we often will travel to another lifetime
of past life. In those days we use the word past.
I don't use it anymore because of what I learned
in this journey, But you will travel to a past
life to see where an issue actually started in a
person might have been this life that might not have
(20:39):
been okay, because we carry all of these lives inside
of us in our inner akasha, And akasha is a
word that we use for the records of life, and
so we have a big akasha that's sort of universal,
and you have an internal akasha that carries your records.
(21:00):
So I knew that going into other lifetimes could be
very beneficial and you can heal whatever was happening in
that version of the client, and then in this version
the person you're working with, they actually change because there's
(21:21):
an extension of what happens in those lifetimes influences what's
happening in this lifetime. In Jim's case, he contacted me
because he was struggling with a decision when John Lennon died.
(21:44):
I don't remember the year of that, but when John
Lennon died, he felt that he had John Lennon's soul
enter him. And he was just a teenager, but he
just said, all of a sudden, I was filled with
this sense of John, and he was a musician, and
(22:06):
so he decided that he had to dedicate his life
to doing Beatle standards, which he did much into his
mid thees forties, something like that. Maybe he's in the forties,
but there came a time when he said, I'm ready
to hang up my Sergeant Pepper's suit. But he was
(22:30):
struggling with it because he felt like he had dedicated
his life to John. To keep John alive in the
minds of people, and various other ways, he contacted me
to see to get out of the struggle, like what
could we do so I said, well, let's do some
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journeys and see what the spirits saying. I had no idea.
This was early on in my career. Actually it was
kind of fascinating. But one of the first things that
happened was I contacted John Lennon was like, whoa hello
on the other side, and they then started showing me
a series of images. They're metaphorical images, but John said,
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I want you to note there's another version of Jim's
reason to be connected to me. So the first imagery
they showed me was that Jim was on his knees
crying and you know, sobbing kind of with his hands
over his face, and John walked up to him and
(23:37):
hugged him very intimately, just really hugged him. And then
the next image they were flying through the air, sort
of superimposed on top of each other, you know, with
their limbs out, but flying through the air this way,
and John's head was maybe a foot or so in
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front of Jim's. And then the next image they showed
me was this spherical ball of light out in space
and we were looking down at the Earth and it
was rolling. Now, one of the nice things about my
spirits is they tell me what all these things mean.
Not everybody's due, but they explained things to me, so
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that was very helpful. And I asked him about these images.
They said that in the first image with John Jim crying,
was that he was a drug addict. He was a
very very bad drug addict, and that him dedicating himself
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to John, he actually was saving himself. John was saving him,
he was keeping him clean, he was keeping him on purpose,
He was giving him a purpose to do in life.
The second was where they were superimposed on each other.
(25:04):
This one just blew me away. Was that John and
Jim were the same soul incarnating in the same time
period on Earth. Excuse me, John was about twenty years
older than Jim, so it showed his head out a
(25:24):
little bit further than but that the same soul incarnating
on Earth basically the same timeline. That was such a
huge teaching for me. And then the third one was
about again this teaching that time is hologriphic, it is
(25:47):
not linear, this circular ball of light looking at the Earth,
that all lifetimes are happening simultaneously for every one. And
they went on to say that you could actually look
at every person on the planet and see a different
version of yourself. Now to me, that just my head
(26:12):
still has a hard time wrapping around that, although I
teach it all the time, but it's a good practice
to realize that we are these versions of other people.
And then they ended up with John saying I am
he and he is me, and we are all together.
We just started cracking up, you know, because here's these
(26:34):
words from I Am the Walrus, you know, and John
was kind of singing that to me on the other side,
and he said, this is the way it works. And
so it just felt like this incredible experience in teaching
for me what I should relate to others, how it works,
this incarnation, because I didn't know anything about incarnation. Again,
(26:57):
this was very beginning of mine a career. I was
finished with my training, but it was the beginning of
my career. And we don't cover that stuff so much
in the Foundation, and I was at the Foundation when
they were pretty new. There's been a lot of progress
since those early days.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
How did did Jim respond to that?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
It was totally enlivening for him. He was able to
do this in a way with no guilt, with no shame,
and he has since become an extraordinary counselor for drug
addiction and uses all of these things that came out
(27:42):
of the journey and kind of native teachings and stuff.
There was more to it than I'm sharing in his practice,
and he has made himself quite a career.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
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Speaker 2 (32:09):
Welcome back, Jen Engels Smith. You founded Light Song School
nineteen ninety four, and you have said that its lineage
is Atlantan Egyptian. I think there was a Lemurian. What
does that actually mean?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You opened up a big subject here. Yeah, it's a
beautiful missus short, Okay, it's the Mystery Schools. And I
was being told by the spirits that Light Song is
the carrier of the lineage of the Mystery Schools. And
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I denied this. I could not accept it from the spirits.
It was too big, too much, too whatever for me
to be able to say, oh, yeah, I got this
in a journey, and so I was denying it. We
have a council meeting that we would meet once a month,
a Light Song Council of twelve people would meet at
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my house. And this one day, one of the council
members walked in and she said, Jan, the spirits contacted
me through Lady of the Lake, who is one of
my beings, and they said, you're not listening to a
message that they're giving you. Light Song is the next
carrier of the mystery schools. No one knew of these
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journeys that I was having. I didn't say a peep
to anyone, and I just started sobbing. I just started sobbing,
and so I said, okay, you know. And then after
the council meeting that night, when I was going to bed,
I said, I know that this came through this other person.
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I know that you're trying to get my attention, but
I just need one more sign, just one more sign
before I take on this mantle. So the next morning
I got up and I opened my computmuter and there
was a screenshot from NASA on my computer of this
star system in Actually it's in I can't think of
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the one that's the Crown Cassiopia, and it was of
a star system that in this star system looked almost identical.
I mean I would say it's identical to my logo
of lights On. And they said do you get it now?
And I said, okay, okay, on this mantle. And so
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we then have dedicated one of our classes that is
requirement for your training to go through the Mystery schools
and to learn about those things. That last one was Avalon.
So it's Atlantis, Lameria, Egypt, and Avalon. So that's the
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sorry they get us.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Of all the case histories, I mean, you must have
had so many different clients, so many incredible stories like Gym's.
Is there one that stands out beyond all others for
you that you'd like to share?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Well, yes, there's one that I think really tries to
explain or magnify how the spirits are consistently trying to
help us. The last story about the Mystery Schools is
one like I could not take that information. My ego
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just wouldn't let me do it, you know, it was
just it was too big. But they're insistent, they're trying.
They're trying to help humanity, and in trying to help humanity,
they need us as practitioners to do the work, to
be the mouth, the hands, yes voice, all those things.
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They have to use our bodies because we live in
a physical world. They cannot do it without us. There
is a case that, again this was very early on.
I'm going to say it was in the first year
of my private practice as a practitioner shamanic practitioner. A
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woman brought me her child that was having night terrors.
And night terrors are a scary thing. I mean, you
cannot wake the person up. They moan and groan like
they're being tortured. And the more you shake them or
you try to wake them up, the deeper they go
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into their experience. And in psychology there is no cure
for them. We put people on drugs that you know
are anti hallucinogenic. You know, they flatline you. They just
take your spark way because they're just trying to control
your mind. Anyway, she brought me her child and she said,
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can you do anything with this? And I was like,
I'll try, you know, I will try. I said, I
can do a soul retrieval on him and see what happens.
We get into this journey, and the first thing I
see is this little African pigmy kind of person. He
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was very animated, He was very large. He had grass
pom poms around his wrists, grass hair, grass around his feet.
He was stomping, and he had a he had a
like not a sword, but like a spear, and he
was shaking at me, just yelling at me in some
sort of African gibberish that I had no idea what
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was he was saying. My spirits said to me, this
child has a curse on him and their lifetime, and
that curse is acting out now as night terrors. That's
how it's expressing itself. And they said, you have to
unravel the curse. I said, I don't know how to
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do that. That wasn't in our training. I have no
idea how to do that. And they said, we do,
just do what we tell you to do. I said, okay,
So they told me to say something. I don't even
remember what it was, but I did, and the next
thing I knew, this little pigmy guy just became deflated,
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like it's like all the air went out of him.
He shrunked over, dropped his spear, and just sulked away,
walked away. I did the rest of the soul retrieval
for the child, brought him back a spiritual power animal,
and did the work. So when they were leaving, I
told his mom, I said, I have no idea if
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this worked or not. You know, I was just being
guided by what the spirit said, keep me posted. Well,
sure enough, the child has never had another night terror,
and he's in his twenties or thirties now. In fact,
I just talked with her last year and she said,
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I just want you to know. But anyway, the point being,
I was in my office and I was cleaning my tools,
you know, my various things with sage, and all of
a sudden I hear this bang boom thing out in
the other room, and I opened the door and walked out,
and I had an African mask on the wall with
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grass hair. I've been collecting indigenous, mostly African art since
I was twenty years old. For some reason, I just
had a passion for it. And this thing had jumped
off the wall and slid under the dining room table
on a wood floor. So I looked at it and
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I picked it up and I said, so, what do
you know about night terrors? Now? Where did that question
come from?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Now?
Speaker 3 (40:08):
But I knew that it had. It was trying to
get my attention. I mean, it literally jumped off the wall.
And so I took it in my office and I
did a journey with it, and he said, I'm your
protector for this. I came into your life years ago,
and I am your protector because you are really in
a very pecurious situation. You should not have been doing
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this yourself. And I will make you invisible, and then
I will do the work when you find yourself in
this situation again. So he became an ally of mine
right then. So the next thing, it's about four o'clock
in the afternoon this time, and Oprah was going to
come on, and I thought, oh, I've got a few
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minutes before my kids come home from school. I'm going
to turn on Oprah. So what's the conversation night? And
they that amazing. So they had a team of psychiatrists,
they had parents of children with night terarirs, they had
adults and their spouses, this whole staff of people. But
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the topic was is that there's no cure for them,
and what do we do. And I realized right then
that this was a huge message from the spirits to
us as practitioners and to really everyone that we are
barking up the wrong tree with our remedies here. To
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really help these people, we need to look in other
lifetimes at curses predominantly, and that's almost always what I
have found with nighttars, that they are a curse. Although
I invite other people that are practitioners to do their
own researchency what they're coming up with, but it could
be a whole field for somebody to go into if
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they wanted to advertise it that way, because this was
directly intervention from the spirits of this is how you
heal this, And that's the message that they're always trying
to give to us. This is how you heal this,
how you he that.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
We see a lot in young children. I mean I
remember my grandson having them, and all he would do
is shout out, you left me there, you left me
there in the dark, you left me there, you know,
and his parents, but it was the same thing all
the time. And you know, I mean, given the number
of lifetimes we've had, I would think that we are
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all riddled with curses, something you know, or trauma or something.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yes, that is true, and that is exactly Sandy Wyott's
important for people to understand that shamanism is an ancient
It's the oldest healing modality known on the planet, documented
by National Geographic You know, it is the oldest healing
and when we stopped taking care of the soul. Now
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we're taking things through lifetimes, okay, But in the indigenous days,
these things were taken care of immediately. There's an understanding
that a lot of these languages, indigenous languages, we call
them singing languages, and you really notice it. I don't
know if you've traveled anything into India, Tibet or Nepal,
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but the people have songs for everything they do. In Lakota,
also these tribal languages, they have songs for everything cutting
the wheat to plow in the field or whatever they're doing.
So the idea of soul loss was that when you
have soul loss, you're not singing, you stop singing. And
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so this was noticed immediately by others. They're not singing.
And I always thought that that was just a little
poetic way of describing it. But then as I learned
more about indigenous cultures. I realized, oh, yeah, they weren't
written languages, they were singing languages.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
And so a situation was taken care of within three
days usually of the problem, and so your soul was
literally next to you. That's where we get the term
I'm just beside myself. You know you are. You have
moved out of your body and you're beside yourself. So
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the process of healing was quite quick and easy. I mean,
you just let's put it back in and it was
identified very quickly. But now it would be years or
lifetimes before anything is taken care of, so that the
job of the practitioner is much more complex now than
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it used to be, because again you have to be
able to go into all these other lifetimes. But sol retrieval,
those remedies were worldwide, wide, every single culture on this planet,
in all seven continents. It's documented.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
We've got about nine minutes left. I want to talk
about manifestation because the story you told of going to Oregon,
I mean, is a wonderful story of manifestation in action.
And you've been teaching manifestation for over four decades now,
So tell us a little bit about manifestation and what
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we most need to know, because I think there's been
a lot of talk about it ever since, you know,
the movie The Secret and the book, but some of
that talk is just kind of giving it a kind
of lightweight cookie cutter, you know, a flavor that isn't
working for people.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
It's not working because they don't understand what it said.
You know, there's a lot of complexity to that program,
the Secret that it goes over a lot of people's heads.
And I mean that in a gentle way. I mean
it geh mine too, but basically, you cannot not be manifesting.
(46:04):
You are manifesting twenty four to seven. We are manifesting machines.
We're part of Creator. We are a creation beings. And
that's one of the things that I understand about learning
about the light in people is how this light is
the same as Creator's light or our soul is the
same composition, if you want to use that word as creator.
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What people don't know how to do is to manifest consciously,
how to do things that they manifest more of what
they want instead of what they don't want. And I
am actually doing a gathering right now. It's not even
a class. I don't charge for it, it's free. But like
giving people tips on this is how you do it.
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Let's talk in a group and I'll listen to your
story and I'll show you how this is working in
your life. But basically, part of our own evolution, our
own becoming yourself, is to learn how to bring your vibration,
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your frequency of vibration, up to a higher level. The
soul is a divine creation. It is a divine being. Okay,
it has a very very high vibration. If you want
to look at the terms high and low things that
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would be a match for your soul. If you want
to look at words, would be radiance, beauty, sensational, exquisite, loving, appreciation, gratitude,
and so just saying those things, you tend to sit
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back and expand. And the reason you're boy is responding
to that is because those words are a match for
the truth of who you are. When you're thinking in
your head, don't have sadness, doesn't work, not enough. You know,
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the body goes, it's shutting down, just because the vibration,
the frequency of vibration of those words are not a
match for your truth. And everything is vibration. Everything is
a frequency of vibration. Our words, our thoughts, our feelings,
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our bodies, the earth, the cosmos, everything is a frequency
of vibration. And health is when those frequencies are a
match for your truth. So when you keep your frequencies
high inside of you, you because more healthy. When we
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do a soul retrieval on you, we are bringing back
divine essence that has a very high frequency. It raises
your vibration just getting back that piece. So the trick
to manifesting is is that you want to take the
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time to raise your vibration in whatever that is. If
you're thinking of words, if you're doing I have a
lot of guided meditations to raise your vibration just wherever
that is, so you can get yourself really high in
this vibrating I call it the embodiment of those words.
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Where you feel it in your fingers, you feel it
in your hair, you feel it in your toes. You're
just like, oh my god. Then you start envisioning what
it is that you want. That means that that desire
is a match for who you are. Okay, you, it
will bring you joy. You need to be joy to
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bring it in. It's always a direct match of frequencies,
kind of like tuning forks. You know, a C vibrates
with a C. It doesn't vibrate with an A. It
vibrates with a C. So if you're down here in
a place of desperation, desperation, wanting, complaining, doing all the
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things that we do when we don't have something, you're
not a match for your desire at all. And that's
that's one of the most important keys to realize, is
that you have got to If you want something, then
you've got to change to get it. If you want
somebody to be different, you've got to change in order
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for them to be different. When you change and bring
yourself up their higher version. And if you want to
bring in the quantum war world, which I don't do
in this class, but the quantum world is that higher
version of them than is a match for you. But
if you're complaining about them, that's the version you're going
to get. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. And so it's
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really exercises on your own becoming, your own awareness, your
own spiritual actualization, and in the process of doing that,
you just manifest the type of life that you ultimately want.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
So I miscalculated the time and we are actually almost
out of time now. I'm afraid, but I think I'm
going to have you come back on the show and
we can talk further because I probably only got through
I don't know ten percent of my questions.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
You have lovely questions. Thank you, you bring the best
out of me.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Oh, thank you for that, Jen, And thank you so
much for joining us today.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
Sure, and I will say that if people want to
join in on that Manifesting Miracles, they can just email
me and I'll put you on the list. We have
a great group.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
I'm going to sign up sign good Good. So if
you're curious to learn more about shamanism and how it
can improve your life through a divine connection to the
spirit realms, check out the training offered at lightsong dot net,
where you can also get more information on Jan Engles
Smith's books, podcasts, courses, and of course, her free Manifesting
(52:23):
Miracles gatherings. I'm Sandy Sedgeber. I'll be back at the
same time next week with another edition of What is
going On. Until then, it's goodbye for me and thank
you again to Jan Engles Smith.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Thank you, s
Welcome to what is going on for New Thought from
the Edge of Arm. Each week on home Time's flagship
radio show, veteran broadcaster, author, and media consultant Sandy Sedgeber
conducts thought provoking interviews with inspirational authors, artists, musicians, scientists, speakers,
and filmmakers who are working at the point where spirituality
(00:32):
and science meet consciousness at the very edge of Arm.
Here is your host, Sandy Sedgeber.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hello. According to this week's guest, the universe launches us
at birth as perfect beings on the path to fulfillment,
but deceptive values from cultures distort our connection to the
cosmos and cause us to diverge from this path. Our
efforts to restore ourselves to the true meaning of where
our existence are the basis for human development. Joining me
(01:04):
today to share insights on the restoration of our true
self from her two books, Through the Rabbit Hole Exploring
Energy in the Shamanic Journey and Becoming Yourself for the
Journey from Head to Heart is Shamanic practitioner, licensed professional counselor,
hypnotherapist and Reiki master Jan Engel Smith, who is founder
(01:26):
of the Lights Song School of First Centuries shamanism and
energy medicine, and a leading edge teacher in manifestation. Jan
Engels Smith, Welcome, Hello, Hi, thank you. So you started
your personal quest for understanding through science, which led you
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to psychology, which led you to spiritualism, which ultimately took
you all the way back to your earlier scientific studies.
And you said that you now understand that all of
your studies a one study in art and science of
universal consciousness. Tell me about how this journey began for you.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Well, the journey began actually in a very I guess
in a shamanic way. But it's not a way that
I say is necessary for people, because a lot of
people will hear my story and then they'll think, oh,
that has to happen to me. But I had an
apparition where a being actually appeared in my living room,
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a woman, an old, elderly Native woman. She was standing
there and I walked in and I said, who are you?
What are you doing in my living room? And she said,
I am your grandmother, I am you, I am your sister,
I am the Earth, which was not what I was
expecting her to say. And she said, I've come to
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ask you to learn the ways but if you accept this,
your life will forever be changed. And so there was
no way that I was going to accept this. I
was going to say, no, you need to leave, because
I want to give you a little bit of background here.
I was living in Dallas, Texas, which was in the
Bible Belt, and I was very involved in the church.
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In fact, I was thinking about getting my doctorate in theology.
It was very, very involved in it, and I loved it.
I loved the whole idea. And I had not been
exposed to anything metaphysical ever in my life. Nothing. The
only thing I had seen native was on TV, you
know that type of thing. So when she was saying this,
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I had no concept of what she was talking about,
or who she was, or what any of this meant.
And like I said, I was going to say, no,
you need to leave. But I heard this crow calling
outside the window, and instead of hearing caw caw caw,
I was hearing trust, trust, trust, And so I said yes.
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And she pulled out a pipe, which I didn't have
any idea of what a pipe was in Native tradition,
and we smoked it, which kind of seals the deal.
It makes a contract in a very cosmic way, and
she gave me my medicine, and she said, you are
carrying the medicine of the North, which is healing, wisdom
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and love. And then I heard this sound like somebody
was coming into the room, like possibly my husband or something.
And I turned to look to see who was coming
in and turned back and she was gone, and I
was left like what just happened? Now? Also some background here.
(04:50):
I was a psychotherapist. I was working in the disassociative
ward of the hospital, specializing in multiple personality this order.
So I also had infant twins and a two year old.
So my stress levels and my listening to quite extensive
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other worldly stories all day and watching people shift from
alter to alter, which is a term that you use,
I had a very different, I guess unique sense of
what is possible in the world. And that's what that
training taught me. It taught it was a great foundational
(05:35):
teaching or segue into shamanism. However, when I started telling
my family and my friends about this, they just thought
I had really lost it. And here comes a truck.
I don't know if that makes a difference or not.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Can you hear that I saw it? We just note
the time I can hear it. Yeah, that's okay. I'm
just going to see if I can do that thing
that I wanted to do while it's give me a
let me know when it's gone.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Okay, I think it's gone.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You think it's gone. Okay, good, I can't find that thing. Okay,
I'll find this point and we will just cut that out.
Do you remember what you were saying? Yes, okay, you
just want to kind of start the beginning of that bit.
I mean, you talked about your training as being perfect
foundation for this.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Sure, my friends and family really thought that I was
off base. They thought I had too much stress, that
I was breaking down because of my job, and I
lost a lot of friends. I mean I was literally
asked to leave my Sunday school class that I wasn't
(06:53):
a fit anymore for it. Looking at this post my training.
It's actually called a shamanic dismemberment, where you are dismembered.
Literally your whole life falls apart. And the reason for this,
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the purpose of it is so that you can remember
who you actually are. So they it's a practice that's done.
You can do it in a journey dismembering all the
time to let go of all things that you're attached
to and various things like that to keep you energetically clean,
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or they can happen in your life spontaneously, which is
what this was. It was a horrible time in my life.
I am a very, very social person. I love my friends,
I love social events. Entertaining all those things, they were
all stripped from me. I literally thought that I would
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have a cross burning in my front yard at one time,
because again I'm in the Bible belt of our country.
It did not go over with but and there's many
times that I thought, well, why not just say I
must have been dreaming, But I couldn't. I couldn't. I
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had said yes to something, and it felt like there
was something more there. I can't describe it. I don't
remember that thinking to remember the words, except that I
was distressed and overcome with grief and depression. In the meantime,
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somewhere in there, I had a dream. And in the
dream there was a voice that said, you need to
move to the northwest. The vortexes are changing in your country.
I didn't know what the world of vortex was, but
I said okay. And I remember saying to my husband
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by now we have again. We had infant twins, and
I remember saying to him, we need to move to
the Northwest. I had a dream and he just looked
at me and he said, Jan, enough, no enough. I said, okay,
let's just go up and visit. My best friend from
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my childhood had just moved to Portland, Oregon. I said,
let's just go up and visit. So we did, and
sure enough, he magically, we say, magically, landed a job
of his dreams. And we were there three months after
our visit, so they even paid for our move, you know.
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And then during that time I was at a conference
with my husband. There was a bookstore that had a
display in the lobby. He came up and got me
and said, Jan, come down and take a look at
some of these books. You might be interested in them.
(10:03):
I went down there and they were all on reincarnation, channeling,
you know, various metaphysical topics. I asked the clerk, I said,
do you know anything about visions or operations? And she
said no, but I know somebody that does. And she
handed me this woman's card. So I called this woman
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and she said, you need to come in for a
reading and she channeled angels. I did, and this woman
is still a friend of mine, you know. Thirty five
years later I went in for the reading, and when
she was in her channeling state, the woman got up
and went to a bookshelf and got the book Sole
(10:48):
Retrieval and handed it to me and she said, this
is your life. And that was the beginning of it.
And so I then started my training and whole series
of things happened that after the move, I helped somebody
with an event that was for Native Americans. This elder
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just took a shining to me and asked me to
become part of his family. And so I was adopted
into a Lakota family, and you know, I mean, everything
just changed completely. New version of myself emerged.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And thankfully your husband was right there with you.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yes he was. He was an extraordinary man. He has passed,
but he was my foundation and always respected me and
really marveled at what was happening and wasn't challenged by
it at all. He was an extremely intelligent MENSA member,
(11:57):
very very bright, and was not challenged by my different
way of looking at the world.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Which is exactly what you needed when everybody else was
walking away.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yes, I don't know what I would learn.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You trained with them, Sandra Ingemann and Nikolhana. I mean,
you know, with all the names, all the wonderful people,
and now you write about a century shamanism, which implies
that there's something different about us century shamanism than what
came before. What is the difference?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
What I have learned is that the concept of old
shamanism was based in many of the attitudes that people
have that you could be, you could trick things, you
could maneuver and manipulate and possibly even lie to get
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your needs met. And that was happening in shamanism. It
was a sort of a power oriented philosophy, like who's
got the most power. It was very competitive and still
is in certain organizations around the world. I learned in
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my work with the spirits that these are man made concepts,
that they do not exist in the spirit world, and
that there's a benevolence that is divine. It doesn't have
any of the emotions or the needs that we express
in humans. To me, that was the twenty first and
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so I had to abort a lot of the things
that I learned at the Foundation, because the Foundation for
Shamanic studies. Their teachings was really based in some of
the styles and the things that we did in there
as technique like soul thief, soul stealing. How do you
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get the soul back? We can do some trickery and
you can do this, and it was like, no, it
doesn't work that way. And I feel as if my
work has really been based on bringing a newer version
of shamanism. We have evolved as human beings and our
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concepts need to evolve with us. We can't hold on
to those old things like that. We live in a
new world. People are expecting new things, and I believe
that one of the things that we need to understand
is our own divinity and that's what soul retrieval is
really based in. But then a lot of the techniques
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didn't stand up to that. And so one of my
gigs is really evolving shamanism into twenty first century under
standings and concepts of love and light and how all
these things have this huge impact on us. When we
embrace them fully and understand our own divinity, we become well.
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Along with new techniques. Doing the techniques differently, there's a
depossession that we use the term for and if you
look at depossession in the church or even in old shamanism,
it was a power over a possessing spirit. You took charge,
you had command, and it's like that spirit, that possessing
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being is also a divine light. It's just placed. Yes,
So you don't want to take power over. You want
to do a massive healing for both. You want to
do it for your client as well as the being
that's caught there. Now that would never have been understood
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in old shaman It's an understanding again of we all
carry a heart light, we're all divine with or without
a body, and things need to be respected that way
and understood that way so that you can have a
win win situation. It's not a win lose, it's a
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win win.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You founded Light Song School nineteen ninety four, which is
a long time ago. You developed the first energy medicine curricula,
you know, so that people coming in could you know,
go from I don't know, complete nubie to get in
a bachelor's and masters and even a doctorate degree in shamanism.
What made you decide to do that because that must
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have been quite a challenge. You know, there are lots
of scores of shamanism out there. You were offering something
completely different. Did you find that hard going at first?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Oh, it's tremendously difficult. It took us years, probably at
least ten twelve years of research and things to do this.
My objective in it though, was I wanted to make
shamanism readily available for anybody, which meant that we needed
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to be able to have insurances cover it, which is
a very needed thing, at least in the United States,
because pain out of pocket for services can be cost prohibitive,
prohibitive to a lot of people. Well, the only way
that you can do that is to have a curriculum
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that is standardized. You have to be able to prove
what you're teaching and that everybody is getting the same training.
So that's what we worked on you to really qualify.
The person coming out of our programs is really cream
(17:59):
of the crop. They don't have a hodgepodge. They can't
randomly go I'm going to go to this teacher and
learn this, and I'm going to go to that teacher
and learn this, and oh, now I'm going to say
that I can teach something. No, you had to, you know,
have documented results of your work like for our practitioners
when they were getting their masters. They you know, they
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had to do over one hundred and fifty documented cases.
And one of the important things for me was what
did you learn? What did you learn as a practitioner
different than what I taught you? Because my goal was
always that they've become better than me. I want you
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to shine, because when you shine, then you're having results
out there that are also shining. Soon after we started
the curriculum, we were asked to do a study on
PTSD for vets mostly coming home from Afghanistan at the time,
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and we were contacted by a major teacher teaching hospital
out here called Oregon oyches View. It's a big hospital,
and I asked him, I said, why did you pick
us out of all the different shamanic bases thinking the foundation,
you know, why did you pick us? And they said,
because you had a curriculum that we knew who we
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were getting and we knew that all the different practitioners
that were going to be doing this study were trained
the same way and going to be using the same techniques,
and so that was important to me. Credentials are important.
Training is important. I see ourselves as we are doctors
of the soul. And you have doctors for mental health,
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physical health, emotional health, but the soul is the most
important part of you. Is the most important part of you,
and shaman's shamans are doctors of the soul.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You have a number of case histories that you share
with us. There was one in particular that I'm sure
everybody would be interested in, and that was the one
with Jim who had made a commitment to John Lennon.
Did you share that one with us?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Absolutely. In shamanism, we often will travel to another lifetime
of past life. In those days we use the word past.
I don't use it anymore because of what I learned
in this journey, But you will travel to a past
life to see where an issue actually started in a
person might have been this life that might not have
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been okay, because we carry all of these lives inside
of us in our inner akasha, And akasha is a
word that we use for the records of life, and
so we have a big akasha that's sort of universal,
and you have an internal akasha that carries your records.
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So I knew that going into other lifetimes could be
very beneficial and you can heal whatever was happening in
that version of the client, and then in this version
the person you're working with, they actually change because there's
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an extension of what happens in those lifetimes influences what's
happening in this lifetime. In Jim's case, he contacted me
because he was struggling with a decision when John Lennon died.
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I don't remember the year of that, but when John
Lennon died, he felt that he had John Lennon's soul
enter him. And he was just a teenager, but he
just said, all of a sudden, I was filled with
this sense of John, and he was a musician, and
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so he decided that he had to dedicate his life
to doing Beatle standards, which he did much into his
mid thees forties, something like that. Maybe he's in the forties,
but there came a time when he said, I'm ready
to hang up my Sergeant Pepper's suit. But he was
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struggling with it because he felt like he had dedicated
his life to John. To keep John alive in the
minds of people, and various other ways, he contacted me
to see to get out of the struggle, like what
could we do so I said, well, let's do some
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journeys and see what the spirits saying. I had no idea.
This was early on in my career. Actually it was
kind of fascinating. But one of the first things that
happened was I contacted John Lennon was like, whoa hello
on the other side, and they then started showing me
a series of images. They're metaphorical images, but John said,
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I want you to note there's another version of Jim's
reason to be connected to me. So the first imagery
they showed me was that Jim was on his knees
crying and you know, sobbing kind of with his hands
over his face, and John walked up to him and
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hugged him very intimately, just really hugged him. And then
the next image they were flying through the air, sort
of superimposed on top of each other, you know, with
their limbs out, but flying through the air this way,
and John's head was maybe a foot or so in
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front of Jim's. And then the next image they showed
me was this spherical ball of light out in space
and we were looking down at the Earth and it
was rolling. Now, one of the nice things about my
spirits is they tell me what all these things mean.
Not everybody's due, but they explained things to me, so
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that was very helpful. And I asked him about these images.
They said that in the first image with John Jim crying,
was that he was a drug addict. He was a
very very bad drug addict, and that him dedicating himself
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to John, he actually was saving himself. John was saving him,
he was keeping him clean, he was keeping him on purpose,
He was giving him a purpose to do in life.
The second was where they were superimposed on each other.
(25:04):
This one just blew me away. Was that John and
Jim were the same soul incarnating in the same time
period on Earth. Excuse me, John was about twenty years
older than Jim, so it showed his head out a
(25:24):
little bit further than but that the same soul incarnating
on Earth basically the same timeline. That was such a
huge teaching for me. And then the third one was
about again this teaching that time is hologriphic, it is
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not linear, this circular ball of light looking at the Earth,
that all lifetimes are happening simultaneously for every one. And
they went on to say that you could actually look
at every person on the planet and see a different
version of yourself. Now to me, that just my head
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still has a hard time wrapping around that, although I
teach it all the time, but it's a good practice
to realize that we are these versions of other people.
And then they ended up with John saying I am
he and he is me, and we are all together.
We just started cracking up, you know, because here's these
(26:34):
words from I Am the Walrus, you know, and John
was kind of singing that to me on the other side,
and he said, this is the way it works. And
so it just felt like this incredible experience in teaching
for me what I should relate to others, how it works,
this incarnation, because I didn't know anything about incarnation. Again,
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this was very beginning of mine a career. I was
finished with my training, but it was the beginning of
my career. And we don't cover that stuff so much
in the Foundation, and I was at the Foundation when
they were pretty new. There's been a lot of progress
since those early days.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
How did did Jim respond to that?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
It was totally enlivening for him. He was able to
do this in a way with no guilt, with no shame,
and he has since become an extraordinary counselor for drug
addiction and uses all of these things that came out
(27:42):
of the journey and kind of native teachings and stuff.
There was more to it than I'm sharing in his practice,
and he has made himself quite a career.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
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Speaker 2 (32:09):
Welcome back, Jen Engels Smith. You founded Light Song School
nineteen ninety four, and you have said that its lineage
is Atlantan Egyptian. I think there was a Lemurian. What
does that actually mean?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You opened up a big subject here. Yeah, it's a
beautiful missus short, Okay, it's the Mystery Schools. And I
was being told by the spirits that Light Song is
the carrier of the lineage of the Mystery Schools. And
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I denied this. I could not accept it from the spirits.
It was too big, too much, too whatever for me
to be able to say, oh, yeah, I got this
in a journey, and so I was denying it. We
have a council meeting that we would meet once a month,
a Light Song Council of twelve people would meet at
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my house. And this one day, one of the council
members walked in and she said, Jan, the spirits contacted
me through Lady of the Lake, who is one of
my beings, and they said, you're not listening to a
message that they're giving you. Light Song is the next
carrier of the mystery schools. No one knew of these
(33:30):
journeys that I was having. I didn't say a peep
to anyone, and I just started sobbing. I just started sobbing,
and so I said, okay, you know. And then after
the council meeting that night, when I was going to bed,
I said, I know that this came through this other person.
(33:51):
I know that you're trying to get my attention, but
I just need one more sign, just one more sign
before I take on this mantle. So the next morning
I got up and I opened my computmuter and there
was a screenshot from NASA on my computer of this
star system in Actually it's in I can't think of
(34:15):
the one that's the Crown Cassiopia, and it was of
a star system that in this star system looked almost identical.
I mean I would say it's identical to my logo
of lights On. And they said do you get it now?
And I said, okay, okay, on this mantle. And so
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we then have dedicated one of our classes that is
requirement for your training to go through the Mystery schools
and to learn about those things. That last one was Avalon.
So it's Atlantis, Lameria, Egypt, and Avalon. So that's the
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sorry they get us.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Of all the case histories, I mean, you must have
had so many different clients, so many incredible stories like Gym's.
Is there one that stands out beyond all others for
you that you'd like to share?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Well, yes, there's one that I think really tries to
explain or magnify how the spirits are consistently trying to
help us. The last story about the Mystery Schools is
one like I could not take that information. My ego
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just wouldn't let me do it, you know, it was
just it was too big. But they're insistent, they're trying.
They're trying to help humanity, and in trying to help humanity,
they need us as practitioners to do the work, to
be the mouth, the hands, yes voice, all those things.
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They have to use our bodies because we live in
a physical world. They cannot do it without us. There
is a case that, again this was very early on.
I'm going to say it was in the first year
of my private practice as a practitioner shamanic practitioner. A
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woman brought me her child that was having night terrors.
And night terrors are a scary thing. I mean, you
cannot wake the person up. They moan and groan like
they're being tortured. And the more you shake them or
you try to wake them up, the deeper they go
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into their experience. And in psychology there is no cure
for them. We put people on drugs that you know
are anti hallucinogenic. You know, they flatline you. They just
take your spark way because they're just trying to control
your mind. Anyway, she brought me her child and she said,
(37:08):
can you do anything with this? And I was like,
I'll try, you know, I will try. I said, I
can do a soul retrieval on him and see what happens.
We get into this journey, and the first thing I
see is this little African pigmy kind of person. He
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was very animated, He was very large. He had grass
pom poms around his wrists, grass hair, grass around his feet.
He was stomping, and he had a he had a
like not a sword, but like a spear, and he
was shaking at me, just yelling at me in some
sort of African gibberish that I had no idea what
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was he was saying. My spirits said to me, this
child has a curse on him and their lifetime, and
that curse is acting out now as night terrors. That's
how it's expressing itself. And they said, you have to
unravel the curse. I said, I don't know how to
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do that. That wasn't in our training. I have no
idea how to do that. And they said, we do,
just do what we tell you to do. I said, okay,
So they told me to say something. I don't even
remember what it was, but I did, and the next
thing I knew, this little pigmy guy just became deflated,
(38:38):
like it's like all the air went out of him.
He shrunked over, dropped his spear, and just sulked away,
walked away. I did the rest of the soul retrieval
for the child, brought him back a spiritual power animal,
and did the work. So when they were leaving, I
told his mom, I said, I have no idea if
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this worked or not. You know, I was just being
guided by what the spirit said, keep me posted. Well,
sure enough, the child has never had another night terror,
and he's in his twenties or thirties now. In fact,
I just talked with her last year and she said,
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I just want you to know. But anyway, the point being,
I was in my office and I was cleaning my tools,
you know, my various things with sage, and all of
a sudden I hear this bang boom thing out in
the other room, and I opened the door and walked out,
and I had an African mask on the wall with
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grass hair. I've been collecting indigenous, mostly African art since
I was twenty years old. For some reason, I just
had a passion for it. And this thing had jumped
off the wall and slid under the dining room table
on a wood floor. So I looked at it and
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I picked it up and I said, so, what do
you know about night terrors? Now? Where did that question
come from?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Now?
Speaker 3 (40:08):
But I knew that it had. It was trying to
get my attention. I mean, it literally jumped off the wall.
And so I took it in my office and I
did a journey with it, and he said, I'm your
protector for this. I came into your life years ago,
and I am your protector because you are really in
a very pecurious situation. You should not have been doing
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this yourself. And I will make you invisible, and then
I will do the work when you find yourself in
this situation again. So he became an ally of mine
right then. So the next thing, it's about four o'clock
in the afternoon this time, and Oprah was going to
come on, and I thought, oh, I've got a few
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minutes before my kids come home from school. I'm going
to turn on Oprah. So what's the conversation night? And
they that amazing. So they had a team of psychiatrists,
they had parents of children with night terarirs, they had
adults and their spouses, this whole staff of people. But
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the topic was is that there's no cure for them,
and what do we do. And I realized right then
that this was a huge message from the spirits to
us as practitioners and to really everyone that we are
barking up the wrong tree with our remedies here. To
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really help these people, we need to look in other
lifetimes at curses predominantly, and that's almost always what I
have found with nighttars, that they are a curse. Although
I invite other people that are practitioners to do their
own researchency what they're coming up with, but it could
be a whole field for somebody to go into if
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they wanted to advertise it that way, because this was
directly intervention from the spirits of this is how you
heal this, And that's the message that they're always trying
to give to us. This is how you heal this,
how you he that.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
We see a lot in young children. I mean I
remember my grandson having them, and all he would do
is shout out, you left me there, you left me
there in the dark, you left me there, you know,
and his parents, but it was the same thing all
the time. And you know, I mean, given the number
of lifetimes we've had, I would think that we are
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all riddled with curses, something you know, or trauma or something.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yes, that is true, and that is exactly Sandy Wyott's
important for people to understand that shamanism is an ancient
It's the oldest healing modality known on the planet, documented
by National Geographic You know, it is the oldest healing
and when we stopped taking care of the soul. Now
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we're taking things through lifetimes, okay, But in the indigenous days,
these things were taken care of immediately. There's an understanding
that a lot of these languages, indigenous languages, we call
them singing languages, and you really notice it. I don't
know if you've traveled anything into India, Tibet or Nepal,
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but the people have songs for everything they do. In Lakota,
also these tribal languages, they have songs for everything cutting
the wheat to plow in the field or whatever they're doing.
So the idea of soul loss was that when you
have soul loss, you're not singing, you stop singing. And
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so this was noticed immediately by others. They're not singing.
And I always thought that that was just a little
poetic way of describing it. But then as I learned
more about indigenous cultures. I realized, oh, yeah, they weren't
written languages, they were singing languages.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
And so a situation was taken care of within three
days usually of the problem, and so your soul was
literally next to you. That's where we get the term
I'm just beside myself. You know you are. You have
moved out of your body and you're beside yourself. So
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the process of healing was quite quick and easy. I mean,
you just let's put it back in and it was
identified very quickly. But now it would be years or
lifetimes before anything is taken care of, so that the
job of the practitioner is much more complex now than
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it used to be, because again you have to be
able to go into all these other lifetimes. But sol retrieval,
those remedies were worldwide, wide, every single culture on this planet,
in all seven continents. It's documented.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
We've got about nine minutes left. I want to talk
about manifestation because the story you told of going to Oregon,
I mean, is a wonderful story of manifestation in action.
And you've been teaching manifestation for over four decades now,
So tell us a little bit about manifestation and what
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we most need to know, because I think there's been
a lot of talk about it ever since, you know,
the movie The Secret and the book, but some of
that talk is just kind of giving it a kind
of lightweight cookie cutter, you know, a flavor that isn't
working for people.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
It's not working because they don't understand what it said.
You know, there's a lot of complexity to that program,
the Secret that it goes over a lot of people's heads.
And I mean that in a gentle way. I mean
it geh mine too, but basically, you cannot not be manifesting.
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You are manifesting twenty four to seven. We are manifesting machines.
We're part of Creator. We are a creation beings. And
that's one of the things that I understand about learning
about the light in people is how this light is
the same as Creator's light or our soul is the
same composition, if you want to use that word as creator.
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What people don't know how to do is to manifest consciously,
how to do things that they manifest more of what
they want instead of what they don't want. And I
am actually doing a gathering right now. It's not even
a class. I don't charge for it, it's free. But like
giving people tips on this is how you do it.
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Let's talk in a group and I'll listen to your
story and I'll show you how this is working in
your life. But basically, part of our own evolution, our
own becoming yourself, is to learn how to bring your vibration,
(47:12):
your frequency of vibration, up to a higher level. The
soul is a divine creation. It is a divine being. Okay,
it has a very very high vibration. If you want
to look at the terms high and low things that
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would be a match for your soul. If you want
to look at words, would be radiance, beauty, sensational, exquisite, loving, appreciation, gratitude,
and so just saying those things, you tend to sit
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back and expand. And the reason you're boy is responding
to that is because those words are a match for
the truth of who you are. When you're thinking in
your head, don't have sadness, doesn't work, not enough. You know,
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the body goes, it's shutting down, just because the vibration,
the frequency of vibration of those words are not a
match for your truth. And everything is vibration. Everything is
a frequency of vibration. Our words, our thoughts, our feelings,
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our bodies, the earth, the cosmos, everything is a frequency
of vibration. And health is when those frequencies are a
match for your truth. So when you keep your frequencies
high inside of you, you because more healthy. When we
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do a soul retrieval on you, we are bringing back
divine essence that has a very high frequency. It raises
your vibration just getting back that piece. So the trick
to manifesting is is that you want to take the
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time to raise your vibration in whatever that is. If
you're thinking of words, if you're doing I have a
lot of guided meditations to raise your vibration just wherever
that is, so you can get yourself really high in
this vibrating I call it the embodiment of those words.
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Where you feel it in your fingers, you feel it
in your hair, you feel it in your toes. You're
just like, oh my god. Then you start envisioning what
it is that you want. That means that that desire
is a match for who you are. Okay, you, it
will bring you joy. You need to be joy to
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bring it in. It's always a direct match of frequencies,
kind of like tuning forks. You know, a C vibrates
with a C. It doesn't vibrate with an A. It
vibrates with a C. So if you're down here in
a place of desperation, desperation, wanting, complaining, doing all the
(50:31):
things that we do when we don't have something, you're
not a match for your desire at all. And that's
that's one of the most important keys to realize, is
that you have got to If you want something, then
you've got to change to get it. If you want
somebody to be different, you've got to change in order
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for them to be different. When you change and bring
yourself up their higher version. And if you want to
bring in the quantum war world, which I don't do
in this class, but the quantum world is that higher
version of them than is a match for you. But
if you're complaining about them, that's the version you're going
to get. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. And so it's
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really exercises on your own becoming, your own awareness, your
own spiritual actualization, and in the process of doing that,
you just manifest the type of life that you ultimately want.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
So I miscalculated the time and we are actually almost
out of time now. I'm afraid, but I think I'm
going to have you come back on the show and
we can talk further because I probably only got through
I don't know ten percent of my questions.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
You have lovely questions. Thank you, you bring the best
out of me.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Oh, thank you for that, Jen, And thank you so
much for joining us today.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
Sure, and I will say that if people want to
join in on that Manifesting Miracles, they can just email
me and I'll put you on the list. We have
a great group.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
I'm going to sign up sign good Good. So if
you're curious to learn more about shamanism and how it
can improve your life through a divine connection to the
spirit realms, check out the training offered at lightsong dot net,
where you can also get more information on Jan Engles
Smith's books, podcasts, courses, and of course, her free Manifesting
(52:23):
Miracles gatherings. I'm Sandy Sedgeber. I'll be back at the
same time next week with another edition of What is
going On. Until then, it's goodbye for me and thank
you again to Jan Engles Smith.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Thank you, s
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