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June 30, 2022 14 mins
My guest is legendary baseball player, Hall of Famer, Johnny Bench. Considered the best catcher to ever play the game, and the heart of the Big Red Machine, Johnny spent all 17 of his seasons with the Cincinnati Reds. He won the Gold Glove Award TEN TIMES, and he won two World Series.

But, because of all that time in the sun, Johnny was diagnosed with basal cell carcinoma (BCC), the most common type of non-melanoma skin cancer (NMSC). Today, he’s cancer free and a vocal champion for efforts to Get Real About Skin Cancer. We chatted about what it’s like to be the best catcher of all time, what it was like playing for the Reds for his entire career, who his favorite catcher is now, who he still keeps in touch with, and so much more.

Johnny also shares life-saving tips about his journey with cancer, and what you can do to catch non-melanoma skin cancer before it advances.

He joins me along with leading board-certified dermatologist and skin cancer expert, Dr. Ariel Ostad.
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Hi, I'm Wendy Lois Sloane,and this is What's Up with Wendy's Podcast.
I just wanted to tell you alittle bit about myself. I began
my career in New York City asa television producer for talk show legends Phil
Donahue and Heraldo Rivera, and forthe last decade, I've used these experiences
to create my unique style in interviewinghundreds of a list celebrities, newsmakers,

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comedians, musicians, reality stars,fitness and nutrition experts, best selling authors,
and so much more. So.I hope you enjoy this wide variety
on my podcast. I hope you'llshare and subscribe, and again, thanks
for tuning in. Welcome to thisedition of What's Up with Wendy's Podcast.
If you're a baseball fan, andeven if you're not, you're not going

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to want to miss this interview.With an incredible seventeen seasons in the big
leagues, all of them for theCincinnati Reds, Johnny Bench was the heart
of the Big Red machine. Aten time Golden Glove winner, he also
won six Division titles, four NationalLeague pennants, and two World Series championships.
Inducted into the Baseball Hall of Famein ninety to eighty nine. He's

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been described as the best catcher inbaseball history, but seventeen years in the
sun caught up to him, andten years ago, at the age of
sixty four, he was diagnosed withbasil cell carcinoma, the most common type
of non melanoma skin cancer. Today, Johnny's cancer free and a vocal champion
for efforts to get real about skincancer. We're going to talk about that.
We're going to talk about his incrediblebaseball career and so much more my

(01:30):
sit down with Johnny Bench. Welcometo this edition of What's Up with Wendy's
Podcast. I'm thrilled for my guesttoday. Two time World Series Champion,
two times National League MVP, fourteentimes MLB All Star, a ten time
Golden Glove winner, and he playedin four World Series. He is considered
baseball's greatest catcher ever. I hopeI got all that rights. Catcher and

(01:56):
baseball player number five, Johnny Bench, just what I mean? And also
doctor Ariel Ostad, I better havesaid that right, leading board certified cosmo
dermatologists and dermatological surgeon. Welcome bothof you on this very very important topic.
Thank you. Of all the introductiondived, that was one of them.
Thank you, Thank you, Johnny, thank you. We're gonna talk

(02:21):
to Johnny about his baseball career,but first we'll be talking about how to
catch non melanoma skin cancer, andI'll start with doctor Ostad. Great to
be with you, Wendy. So. Non melanoma skin cancer is comprised of
two main types of skin cancer.The most common is called basil cell carcinoma
and then the second one is calledcutaneous squamous cell carcinoma. These are generally

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skin growths that appear like a pimple, a translucent mole. Award anything that
is growing, bleeding, itching,changing color. Luckily, majority of these
non melanoma skin cancers are treatable.It's when they are not detected early enough
where they can become advanced on life'srightning. Majority of people who are at

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risk for developing non melanomous skin cancerare people who are fair skin, blonde
hair, blue eyed, have hada history of sun exposure and sunburns as
kids, and so it's important thatif you see something that is changing is
to visit your dermatologist and get checkedregularly and very important to get your skin

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checked every year, no matter what. Correct, absolutely, absolutely right.
Now you know the Unfortunately, thestatistics say that one out of every five
Americans develop skin cancer in their lifetime. This past year, there were three
point three million Americans who are diagnosedwith non melanoma skin cancer. Again,
early detection can really be life saving, and therefore, it is important that

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you examine yourself if you see somethingthat's changing, trust your intuition, go
see your doctor and really get askin exam annually. Caught in an early
stage and can be removed absolutely,Johnny, that we're going to talk about
before becoming advanced, So super importantto check your skin yourself as well.
Yeah, it's important to just basicallydo as an annual skin I mean,

(04:14):
I would recommend you check yourself everythree four months. Stand in front of
a full length mirror. If yousee something that is changing in terms of
its size, color, wasn't there, trust your intuition and go get checked
and in again once a year,get your get a full body screening by
your dermatologist. Yes, very important. Johnny, sixty four, you were

(04:34):
sixty four twenty twelve, you werediagnosed with non melanoma skin cancer. How
did you first discover it? Well, they were bloisters. They were very
obvious. They were I mean tosay, how can you miss this?
Or under you? You're on youreyelids and ser every time you look in
the mirror. Not every you know, not every problem is that obvious.

(04:54):
But I was seeing my dermatologists ormy optometrists, and he was actually lancing.
Let me did at one time,and then they came back, which
I'm thinking, okay, as acatcher, maybe I got exposed of the
lime, the dirt and old ageand sunshine. As some say, it's
another adage that you know, youlive along enough, you're probably going to
experience some problems. But what tosee? My dermatologist he did a biopsy,

(05:17):
found out that they were basil sellcarcinomas, and did a thing called
most surgery in removing it or cuttingthe tissue away. And I was glad
to hear that doctor OL's death.Was very pleased with the way my eyes
lids looked that he would never neverhave done it, so that means that
they do such a great job.But I don't want other people if you

(05:39):
would have seen my results in mysurgery and it was you know, it's
surgery. Well, I'm trying toavoid surgery. I'm trying to get all
my friends to avoid surgery. I'vehad so many friends that you know,
they go to the dermatologists. Theylook like they come back look like they
got hit by a paint gun.But all of this is protection, all
of this is one. They're beingcautious about any problems. And I think,

(06:00):
doctor, when you talk about thecells and maybe there's an opportunity of
a non melanoma skin cancer, isthat when you go it's not just you
know, there are treatments. There'svarious treatments that you do. Yes,
yes, So there are a varietyof treatments ranging from surgery, radiation.
There is systemic therapy for advanced typeof skin cancer. But the key is

(06:24):
to catch these things early gime andand it's so important that when things are
detected early, it can be treatable. So again, visit your dermatologist if
you see there's also you can goto the Skin Cancer Foundation more about non
melanoma skin cancer. Visit Let's getReal about skincancer dot com to learn more.

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You know what. I also,I'm sorry, Wendy, but a
good friend of mine the other daysaid he had a squamous containous, curtaineous
genius squamous carcinoma underneath his fingernail.Now, that's that's it's just it will.
It can pop up anywhere, Wendy. And that's why you have to
be very careful and be proactive inthe fact that you're working on your own

(07:12):
self analysis, your own self screening, and then of course being smart when
you're out in the sun. That'sabsolutely right. We're talking. Let's get
real about skin cancer with doctor Ostadand Johnny Bench. Johnny, if you
had to do it all over againback then when you were out in the
sun and the heat all those years, which would you change anything? Would
you put? Were you putting sunscreenon at that time? No? Come

(07:35):
on, Wendy, I mean,I'm you know, but I wasn't doing
the iodine and baby oil that peoplewere using at the pool. I wasn't
doing that. But I worked,you know, as a kid growing up
in Oklahoma. I worked in thepeanut fields, I worked in the cotton
fields. I have mowed lawns,I delivered the paper. I was out
playing baseball every day, and ifnot, I was at the gym,

(07:55):
so I was always exposed to thesun. And so now that I know
you re apply your sunscreen, applyit first of all, and then reapplied
every two hours if it's possible.That's right. We didn't talk about it
back then. I grew up inMiami. I had that baby oil on
my skin as well. So I'mvery very careful and I have a beautiful

(08:16):
damn though. Oh thank you,doctor Ostad. I get checked every year.
I'm very very careful about that becauseI know that as a young girl,
we did not I did not hearabout it, and it wasn't talked
about like it's talked about now.So thank you both for bringing this to
our attention. Johnny, we haveto talk about your baseball career. Your
childhood dream was to be was tobecome a major league baseball player. But

(08:37):
it was under the guidance of yourfather that you decided that the position of
a catcher was what was going totake you to the major's is it?
The catching was the quickest way tothe major leagues and what the major leaguees
needed. And so even though Iwas I was in high school, I
was a catcher, but everybody knewI was a catcher, but I was
actually pitched more than I ever caught. And uh, you know, it's

(09:00):
a great opportunity that I had.I took advantage of it. Some kids
never get that, but you know, I try to get the education.
You know, I didn't get acollege education, but I got a life
education. And that's why I guesswe're here today, is to be part
of the education process that when somethinghappens to us. I had lung surgery
in seventy two. I was oneof the first what we talked about lungs.

(09:22):
Now we have a chance to talkabout our eyes and protection and being
able to avoid any kind of skincancer. And I don't know if we've
mentioned the website or the site isLet's get real about skincancer dot com.
So that's obviously anything that you canfind out about cancer, anything to prevent

(09:43):
it. Wendy, And hopefully thatI dine didn't have an effect on you.
Oh no, I'm so far,so good. Knock on wood,
knock on wood. That's great,Johnny, When did you have everyone wanted
to know this, When did youknow that you were really really good in
baseball? You know, I alwaysplayed at a different level so when I

(10:05):
was seventeen and I signed to goto play professional baseball. I was in
the Major League when I was nineteen, and I will remember, I do
remember I was when I was inthe Carolina League in nineteen sixty six,
and they had a sheet of paperdown on the farm and that's what was
the Ridds organization way of saying whowas in the minor leagues, who was

(10:26):
being noticed, And they said JohnnyBench. I'm eighteen at the time.
They saying who will be the nextcatcher in Cincinnati. It was like they
even know who I am, becauseyou know, you can't be so pompous
some deal, because you know there'sgreater and lesser people than all of us.
And I don't think it's important thatyou start getting eaten up by yourself,
because as soon as you do,you're going to strike out. And

(10:48):
you better face the fact that you'regoing to strike out more than you have
bay on base. And then Igot to play was one of the greatest
teams in the history of baseball.And now I'm working with Ryn John's Regeneron
and Sonopie. Now I get todo all these great things. It's so
amazing. The game's changed since sinceyou played right, No, not so
much since our attitude to change.We look at it differently because of the

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money. These guys are the biggestathletes', strongest athletes, in shape.
They do everything they do nutrition andeverything else. So where they were learning
as they go. So what nowthat just as important Major League Baseball has
made an effort to do a skincancer We've got the PGA, We've got
all sports that are very aware ofwhat skin cancer and the problems that they're
having. So it's it's our attitude, you know. Right now, we're

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you know, listening to sports talkradio and finding out what's wrong with every
player. You're upset at the playerswhen normally in a minor league game,
you'll just go to the park,have a beer and a hot dog and
enjoy the game. And that's theway you should do right now from Major
League Baseball is the beer and thehot dog. It's all about the popcorn.
Don't forget the popcorn. Thank youguys both for being here so much.

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Last question I have for you,Johnny Um from nineteen sixty seven to
nineteen eighty three. We seldom seethat in baseball. You played your entire
career with the Reds pretty unbelievable.Yeah, I was fortunately. In fact,
I wanted to finish my career there. But you know during those years
that we also lost Pete and Joeand Tony all were traded. I never

(12:20):
I never got traded, and Iwas fortunate enough to stay in Cincinnati and
be a big part of that city. I was, had had my own
TV show, I had, Ihad radio, I had, I was
doing h broadcasting, and I wasworking as spokesman for the bank, So
I had, I had my rootsdone. But now my roots are down
here in South Florida with you.I don't know if you're still ere win

(12:41):
you not. I wish I wasbecause we had to hang out. Yeah,
I got d you know, I'llbring the sunscreen next next time I'm
in town. Who's who's your favoriteplayer to watch? Now? Oh?
Wow, I guess Mike Trout.Okay, I like to watch Judge.
I'd like to watch the guys thathit the ball out of the ballpark.

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But yeah, I'm kind of leaningtowards that. Well, everybody catcher,
I should say, every every catcher, every catcher. That's right, and
that's where we're doing. Make sureyou catch your cancer early enough that we
don't have a problem. There'll neverbe another number five, Johnny Bench,
that's for sure. Let's get realtalk about skin cancer. Everyone should get

(13:24):
their skin checked, correct, doctorO's dad, get your skin checked.
Watch yourself, look in the mirror. Thank you guys for bringing this to
our attention. And let's let's makesure he keeps looking over at my arms.
Just examining you. It was examiningyou as we're sitting here. I
enjoyed this so much. Thank youso much, thank you, Thank you
so much, Ny Bench, thankyou, thank you, Doctor O's Dad.

(13:46):
Thank you. Come back again.We'll do. Thanks so much for
joining me on this episode of What'sUp with Wendy's podcast. If you love
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also learn more about my podcasts andabout me on my website, What's Up
with Wendy dot com. Until nexttime, This is Wendy Lowie Sloane and
I really hope you enjoyed my podcastand I hope you'll keep on listening and
most importantly, keep being kind.Thanks so much,
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