Where's My Sage?!! A Taste of the Universe E101 Greg Walter

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Hey everyone, it's Tuesday night again. You know what that means, don't
you. It's time to join Mikeand Christie for another episode of Where's My
Sage, a show hosted by asecond medium and a guy on a quest
of f I'm bigfoot? Who thought? Together? They will take you on
all sorts of adventures and not withlots of different people. Christie even gives

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readings. It's time to sit back. No, no, get up and
get ready. You can't sample theuniverse sitting down. Your hosts are waiting.
Come on, let's go Connadian ladiesand gentlemen, and welcome to Where's
My Sage? It tastes the universe. I'm Mike with my co host Christy

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Leaden. Christie, how are youdoing this evening? Or did my microphone
already bite the dust? No itdidn't. It was like blasting in my
ear. I had to like turnyou down. You know, sometimes I'm
allowed and I'm not. Just there'snothing to do to that one. So
you know, we get on.So everybody else out where, you're not

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bad, not bad, not bad. Yeah, long day today, So
you know, I've just been kindof rocking out, trying to get myself
ready for this weekend and the bigSasquatch Calling contest, and you know,
you know up there in white Hall, New York, we'll just throw that
ad up there, you know,get that done, get it out of
the way, getting before I forgetmy admin stuff today and we'll hit it

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back again. But yeah, youknow we'll be up in wait. I'll
be up in white Hall this weekendwith my buddy Steve Calls and Kerk seat
Rent and Paul Bartholomew and Emily andher team from the Forest Floor. Joe
should be up there and a coupleothers, so you can be up there
to meet some of these people inperson. Finally. Yeah, it's you

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know, I'm speaking at one todo a little field work and kind of
hit some stuff. Some folks,probably I'm going to see a little difference
on how I do and how Iapproach them. I always know your stuff,
so you know you're good at whatyou do. You're genuine, you
have you have opinions, well leavea lot of opinions, but you have

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a lot of good opinions and alot of research and you know, experience
to back up why you feel theway you feel. There's nothing wrong with
that, So you know, Igot to get myself together for that.
I got some new equipment and everything. Um, just don't be like that
with me. But you know,it's it's it's been kind of you know,

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it's been crazy getting that stuff together. I had a couple of ideas
for some new um techniques. They'reold techniques, but explaining the folks a
little bit different than we would use, using some of my dive stuff to
kind of add the folks to findsome stuff. So so it's, uh,
yeah, it'll be interesting. Youknow. We got some new speakers

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and uh, somebody just forgot that. You know, we're alive and I'm
blowing up my work phone, sowere there. Listen whoever's blowing up his
phone, he's mine for the nexthour and a half and you have to
wait. Sorry, that's what itis. Yeah, well he doesn't know
what time it is because he's inVegas at a conference. So we'll do

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with that, especially if he's inVegas. Whatever. So you got some
you got a thing going tomorrow night. I do have a couple of things
coming up, so tomorrow night,I oh, look you and your timing.
I was so proud of you.This is great. It's like your
professional or something. So tomorrow night, I'm actually going to have an online

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workshop Meet Your Spirit Guides is abasic experience where we will talk about spirit
guides what they are, um,the dews and don't see ins and out,
and then I will walk you througha meditation or two and teach you
how to start getting in touch withthem and then learning how to old relationships

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from from there and out because um, you know, those relationships and the
guides and all that will change foryou as you go. And I don't
mean all that is if it's nota good thing, but like if everything
grows and evolves with you. So, um, it's gonna be It's gonna
be fun. I have four spotsleft, so if anyone is interested,
you can just call me tomorrow andI'll get you set up. So and

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then Saturday while you're over and um, wow, somebody wants my content because
my nose is like it's like somebody'sjust tickling my nose, but it feels
a good pinprick at the same time, and it's like touching my face here,
and it's it's really more annoying thanI think. Just it do anyway,

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So flash, but the hell can'twin. Any who. So,
so Saturday at Saturday? Hello,Yeah, you know you're not the only
one who's got something fun going onthis weekend. Holy crap, this is
awful. Look at this I'm havinglike an office I don't know if this
is a meer spirit. This sucks. Okay, So any who Saturday?

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Is you got that flyer? That'sthat International Ghost Hunting Day? Yeah?
I'm not forgetting those things. Butwhere's my flyer? Oh? I don't
know where your flyers on that one? Oh? But your head yours all
set? Oh? Yeah, that'sit. You just got a deduction.

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I don't see I don't see herflyer in my flyer thing. So that's
problem. Didn't we No, wedidn't do maybe, okay, I forget
that was all that was all undersocial that was under any who? Yes,
the Worldwide International Ghost Hunting UH isthe gh Ghost National National. I

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can't wow, somebody, something's goingon. Hold on, well, I'll
say a couple of holes while youget there. Hello, Michelle, Hello,
Caitlin, Hygina, Sherry, OhI figured it out, Penny,
where is she? April's here?Stay right there, April. This is

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for you. I'm getting another halfflash. This is awful. April.
You have to stop worrying. She'sgonna be okay. And I'm also being
told to tell you she is okay. Stab worrying. She's gonna be okay.
I know what's on here, umand she is okay. So thank

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you for watching the show tonight.Love you, miss you. M Yeah,
I don't know what that's about,but all of a sudden, I'm
starting to feel a little better.So catch April if you're out. And
she's got her stuff up on thesocials as well. Psychic Housewife of New
Jersey, Jersey. Yes, tomake sure it's straight like that, there's
no extra letter ease or whatever.People. So they've got the link right

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in there. So National Ghost HuntingDay is going to be. That's the
worldwide ghost hunt where everybody you knowcan go live and you can watch all
these different live investigations. It's actuallya lot of fun. So I will
be with all right, we'll throwthat up, thank guys. Is the
link that Chris she's talking about rightnow for and Nate's one of my partners

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in that group for Behind the Shadows, So join behind the Shadows. Hello,
hint, hint. Behind the Shadows. On Saturday night, we will
be live doing an investigation from theVan Horn mansion. So that will be
that'll be awesome. So yes,my other partner Nate is in there and
he has so nicely posted the linkfor that, so please go there,

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check it out, join us.We're going to be going live from all
different pages. I'm not sure howthey're going to work that. Yeah,
but we may even go live fromthis page as well. I'm what nice
segue about different pages. Oh well, thank you, I do try.

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I mean, you know, sohello everybody, thank you for going with
me while Spirit you know, didtheir thing and took over. But you're
right, So pages we met haveto like, we have a really cool
guest today. He's actually a returningguest. We have to address one quick
housekeeping thing quick before and then youtotally missed us talk about pages. So

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folks know what I'm done with you. I'm gonna drink my tea. So
those folks that are there, they'retuning in from Facebook. This was kind
of a reminder that we are switchingover to YouTube. So I'm gonna say
just give a quick heads up.We will be signing out of Facebook,
we will be switching over to ourYouTube pages. Um, so again,

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where's my sage? On YouTube?Again? For those that need to tune
out or listening other we will beon Speaker, Spotify, iTunes and the
other podcast locations, but please headover to YouTube. So in a little
bit, you're going to notice thatthose Facebook pages are going to disappear mid

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feed. So we're going over there. And we also have some other sighting
news coming up again soon because we'vegot another outlet that we were offered earlier
today, so that's going to becoming very soon. Yeah, yes,
all right, yes, sir,where's my sage? You know, in
my defense, I'm just gonna say, okay, here, here we go.

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You got you got this side ofme coming out in my defense pages
is absolutely appropriate for our guests yourpercent and you know hello, Yes,
our guest is the wonderful Greg Walter. Hello, So Greg, I supposed

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to bring him on. Well,I was waiting to give him a chance
to get on there, and Ididn't want to catch a coffee cup or
something and you say something, sohello, Hi Greg, How are things
going good? How are you both? Oh? Bye? Doing Okay,
she's doing okay, I guess wowwow, So so you you were one

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of our first guests, and we'rebringing you back here close to our hundredth
episode, which is kind of awesome. In fact, we had our hundredth
episode last week and we never heardtwo weeks ago and won't saying anything about
it. We just kind of flewright through the show. It was one
of those crazy, crazy nights,true Christy. In my fashion, we
just whatever I got done, Igo to upload something and I'm like you,

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so well, it's a good signpages of stages. Yes, that's
why you're the professional personal at Ohwell, it's really nice to have you
back. Yes, thank you,thank you, thank you. Great to

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be here, fun to be withyour folks. So Greg coming back with
us tonight. You've had a lotof things happen, um, some changes,
but we've got some new viewers sincethen. And um, okay,
don't you give us a little bitof your hold on Sorry okay, yep,

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it is okay, it's both fromthe long Poppy podcast. I bet
you all right, all right,Sorry about that happened again, Hey it
happens. I try to throw mineout the door, but unfortunately being on
call this time here, it's gotto be right. So so Greg,
let's let's can get a little bitof your background for the new viewers and

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listeners. Yeah, let's see.My name is Greg Walter. I'm an
Oregon resident. Primarily I grew upin southern California. I moved up there
in the late seventies, I thinkeighteen seventies, nineties, and and I've
just been an aficionado of the wilderness, getting out in all the wild places

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up there. In high school downhere, I went through I think three
outward bound courses, you know,fell in love with the idea of learning
sort of wilderness survival and more orless wilderness navigation and being able to wander
around out there anywhere and just feelperfectly relaxed in my surroundings. And so

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that that kind of set the stagefor me going up to Oregon in the
Coastguard at a motor lifeboat station andserving my first four years or three and
a half years or so up there, and UM and then getting out and
not coming back to where I grewup in California, And so I stayed

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in Oregon and became very very efficientat UM at several things, hunting foraging
primarily mushrooms. Um, you know, all around the culinary mushrooms. Even
though I had a friend that umoh, he actually wrote a book on
the Hallucinogenic and Poisonous Mushroom Field fieldGuide for people to use. UM.

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So that way they didn't kill themselves, you know, trying to get high.
Um really in Oregon. No,no, no, that wouldn't happen.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, Andso you know, and you know,
and the thing the thing about itis up there is that I think
there's about twenty six different hallucinogens,but sprinkled in there, there's not only
the poisonous mushrooms, but the deadlyones. And those are the ones that

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and they they're identical. The onlyway you tell the difference is you do
a spot print and you gotta youknow, and that's something that's that's an
overnight on a piece of paper withthe cap and it'll drop spore and then
from there you put it under themicroscope and you can, you know,
scientifically determine that is that mushroom.And so there's six thousand different mushrooms up
there, and and related fungi,there's about two dozen that are choice edible.

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I mean, on and on,we could go, we could spend
the whole show on mushrooms. Butum, but at anyway, Yeah,
and then for they're also clamming,um fishing, um doing um, not
that I ever did it, butgil netting, you know, and that
was mainly with like the Klamath Indians, you know, and right at the
right at the mouth of the KlamathUm. Yeah, that was back in

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the day. Um but wait aminute, that was wait what did you
say? That was youth laugh andwent right over my head. I'm not
gonna lie. Clearly, that's goingto be an issue for me to Yeah.
So gil hetting is you know,imagine something like a volleyball net stretch
the stretch of river and the salmonlet's call them, or steelhead or whatever,
they try to go through the net, but they get their gills stuck

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and so then they're stuck in andthey can catch hundreds of them really fast.
Okay, Well, I love salmon. It is a cycle of life,
right, real, right, whichis possibly the worst way to fish
for them and for us round eyes. It's um, you know, it's
highly illegal. Um, you know, but at any rate, the you

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know, the things I learned inOregon. But within all of this,
I then what happened to me wasum, in the course of my life,
I was I was working on fishingboats in Alaska after the Coast Guard,
and then from there I went intoa period where, UM, something
told me it was time to goon a pack trip. And I went

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on a pack trip in a certainplace. And I didn't expect anything,
but I had it in the backof my mind, like, Wow,
wouldn't it be cool to see somebiped terry guy running around? Um,
because I've heard about them, youknow, and um, And so of
course I go on this trip andI didn't know it at the time,
but I found myself walking, uh, similar to what like an apprentice or

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even one of the shamans would doin approaching these areas. And then and
then the steps they would take tohave one of these things come to them.
And so and this is this iskind of a it's just completely unknown
in the bigfoot world because most peoplego out there camping and they're looking and
looking and looking. No, howabout the other way around, where you

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have an ability to draw these thingsin and you know, and then and
then from there because they already knowyou're there. The question is do they
want to make an appearance based onwho you are, what you're doing,
you know, and all these differentthings. And then interspersed in that,
what I learned in this was thatit wasn't so much the Sasquats that I

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encountered, but it was another thingthat happened there. And it took for
me to dive into Native lore forme to learn about this, and that
is their whole, their whole beliefsystem around what they call the little people.
And there's there's many different names forthese. They come in many different
shapes and even sizes, um andbut it's there. It's arguably these are

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their gods and heroes and so theand I find that most of the Bigfoot
aficionados, they never really dive intothe native lore other than to say,
well, you know, the nativeshad them, you know, they kind
of gloss over it, and mayberightly so. But when you when you
dive into it, it becomes abelief system all into itself, and you

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have to sort of even if you'rea Christian believer or you're a Catholic or
whatever your belief is, you haveto kind of put that stuff to the
side for a second and understand thisother culture and these other people and how
they lived on the land, andhow the of these gods and heroes were
for their ability to live on theland. So that's so that's what kind

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of that's what it turned into.But in the meantime, Yeah, so
I came out with my second book, and this one's aligned more with my
screenplay, Ridgewalkers in Two Worlds andum, there's a fellow right there,
um and um, and this isa sci fi magic realism, and I
decided to frame it as that,even though the first ten pages or so

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of this is my real story andso my personal experience that led me to
write the book, and I wantedto keep it in sci fi because there's
so much it's like we know whatwe don't know and you know, and
that's and that's where and that's whereit steps into the paranormal, the mystic,
the you know, question marks.And yeah, and there was there

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was just an event like back Ithink it was an early July. Two
things happened. One it was rightin the same day too. There were
news releases. One was the advancementsthat they'd learned for finding new particles within
the Hadron collider. And that isthe that is such a fascinating piece of
machinery because that thing is going tobe our view into how we're going to

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discover a new dimension. And youknow what what dimensional theory means, what
these particles mean for that, andyou know how that relates to science.
And so this is what's so coolwith this is that is it? Now
we're putting a scientific face on this. You know, we talk about portals,
we talk about them stepping in andout of but scientifically, how does

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that happen? Um? Brian Greendoes good does a good little spiel on
it. But it's at a microscopiclevel. And so um, So that
was one. The other one wasthe James Webb telescope and the cool stuff
that's coming back from that, sendingsending a telescope a million miles away from
Earth and then and then doing photomagic. Um, you know, and

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that's going to be are the thingthere is it's going to give us our
view into finding a habitable planet andand is that possibly where these things may
come from. I play with thatin the book as far as traversible wormholes
and all of that. You know, I'm one of the hippies. I
knew up in Takilma. He hada brother. Lance had a brother.

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Okay, Lance's brother was this guynamed Kip Kip is Um. He's one
of the head professors now retired atI think the cal poly Technical Institute.
And he was the one on apanel of experts that approved the writings and
the master's thesis for a young fora young grad student then named Stephen Hawking

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and um and so Kip's kind ofburied into this. He's the one that
also him and three other research scientistsgot a they received it was a Nobel
Prize in Science for developing a typeof machine that can measure exploding black holes
in the universe. Um, justthe side hobby to take up for anyone

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and so and so. Now Kemphis attitude is black holes, real traversible
wormholes, and you know they justdon't exist. But have a question,
what's the difference. Um, Well, a black hole is something that could
take in entire galaxies or or evenentire universes and draw them in and start

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through what's called into the singularity,which is like it's a horrible place.
You don't want to go there.Um. But basically basically it changes the
entire universe and so or it changesat least the galaxies depending upon the size
of the black hole. And whereasa traversible wormhole is a wormhole that is
that is it's it's like you couldgo for one place to another based upon

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certain certain atmospheric conditions, based uponyou know, there's there's certain celestial things
that have to line up for thesethings to happen. And a lot of
times wormholes, the problem with themis is that is that they dissipate when
you're in mid travel or you know, you only got like a third of
the way from the planet or somethinglike this, and they boop, they're

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gone. Well because because what happens, all right, So so Neil de
grass Tyson gave a good talk inthis where you've got, you know,
imagine a time space continuum and imagineit like a carpet. Okay, and
the carpet could be in waves andit could go along like this when others
you've got planet planet A and planetB just like two basketballs across on a

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basketball court. But then imagine thatcarpet gets wrinkled and so all of a
sudden the time space continuum closes in, and those two planets are basically almost
together in that time space continuum.And then all you need is a wormhole
or some way to traverse from oneto the other. Rather than this idea
that we view the world as theuniverse as being this linear place that in

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other words, if you want togo from point A to point B,
you've got to travel X number oftrillions of miles. Well that's not necessarily
true. And these are and theseare the so this steps into the world
of the physicists and you know,and this is and this is a fascinating
topic to me as far as youknow, trying to explain how Bigfoot could

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come from the universe or a differentdimension, you know, you know,
in term of when you want toplay with and you know, and this
is and this is where you know, UM for people that are curious about
Bigfoot and I want to learn moreabout that, you know, study that
that level of astrophysics, I mean, it dives into math. You can
dive into so many different subjects inthis as far as the theory of relativity

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and UM and you know, allthese different theories that they have out there
and remember the process. You knowthat you've got to have an idea first
that then you build evidence for,you make a case for, you write
up papers or whatever you do toreach hypothesis. Okay, now you've got
this hypothesis, all right, andthen from there you continue gathering evidence,

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You do sampling, you do whateverit takes to then build it into a
theory. And then from there yourtheory then becomes fact. You know,
the sun rises and sets fact.Um, you know, I was joking
that, you know, like HillaryClinton is a space a space alien lizard.
Fact. Hang out, I got, I do have to technically,

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but where is this state somewhere aroundhere? I guess yeah, okay,
there were, but I mean,you know, definitely funny. I just
put it in there. This isjust it's just something less to think about
as far as you know. AndI don't care if it's Q and on,
I don't care. I don't carewhat it is that you've got to

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go through this scientific inquiry to determine, you know, And this is just
being a critical thinker in anything.I mean, there're gonna be how your
car runs, you know, whatever, and um and so and so it's
just as it's something fascinating as faras like how is it that you know?
This is what blows my mind becauseI have a lot of friends that

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are scientists, and my friends thatare scientists and wildlife biologists and stream surveyors
and all this. I mean,they're out there at midnight, They're out
there at all hours of the nightand day across the landscape all over southern
Oregon, northern California and Washington wherever. You know, Um, yeah,
and you know, I'm there's nobig foot. There's no knocks on wood,

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there's nothing, not a you know, they don't there's just um,
they just don't go to the placewhere that happened to them. And you
know, and if it did,you know, they didn't seem to pay
attention to it, you know,and so and so they roll right past
it. But you know, mypoint to that is is that they've taught
me, Greg, you know,if you're going to do this, because

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they consider me kind of whack adoodle with the whole with the whole topic
of bigfoot to begin with, andum and so and so that made me
a bit of a skeptic. It'slike, well, wait a minute,
let's look at the sides where youknow the reason why these things can't exist
and you know, and some ofthat could be that the fact that you
know, we still don't have physicalevidence, um we still you know,

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to have something that's that's eight toten foot tall living off the land,
that thing would have an impact,especially if it had a family and you
know, it lived in a caveor something like this. Caves, You
everybody loves caves. Well, youknow, there's blunking clubs across the nation
that I mean, that's their hobbyis exploring every cave, hole, fissure
and tube they can find. Andso you know, and yet they don't

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run across Oh, we've chased outthree big foot the other day, or
you know, check out the bigFoot skeleton. We found nothing. And
so what all this then leads tois rather than having something here twenty four
seven, that we've got something thathas an ability to step in and out
of our world. Now, thisstarts making a little more sense as far

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as you know where like the thingthat I ran into in my encounter,
it was something that was very physical, very athletic, could easily you know,
And the question there also is goingto be like is he here for
two days, two months, twoyears, you know what period of time?
Maybe a month at best. Butthe thing I saw, I mean,

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was one athletic puppy and he couldrun across the landscape. And so
if there's some campsite, you know, seventeen miles that way, you know,
he could be there in four hours. Yeah, and so yeah,
so that's got to pop in herequick. And I got a quick couple
of follow ups on it. Folksthat are signing in on Facebook, we
are going to be switching over toYouTube, So if you're there, please

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go over where's my sage on YouTube? Or Tactical Bigfoot researcher Christie's Blue item
path that we're on on YouTube.So we'll be those going through I do.
I did put your link to yourbook. I don't want to forget
that before we get in there.It's in the chat links there. So
that's the new one. The Ridwatchersin two worlds. Um So that's that's

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there, and I'm gonna keep puttingthose in there. Hey Jimmy and Hey
Matt, that just popped in.Um so I'll be popping that, popping
those off in a minute. Thosethose papesook things now when you look at
the quantic physics thing, um andso, and it's it's kind of awesome
that you're doing that because we knowna lot of big agencies are looking at

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portals and even the Sun's energy comingfrom there and then popping up in our
atmosphere. And I know quite afew scientists that are that are looking at
those kind of things that are totallydifferent. So it's awesome that you're you're
looking at that broad spectrum and takingthat scientific background and then taking the woods
and putting it in there. SoI just wanted to catch that. If

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you talk to like Ron Moorehead withhis quantity, I mean, he's quantum
big foot. You know. Ronand I've had some talks, we've been
on some podcasts together. Um,you know that, and that's kind of
interesting. And even he looks atsome of this is kind of an alternative
run through, and you know,and he can you give us a little
more description about your your contact withyour your your individual and what he kind

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of looked like to you and foryou folks over on Facebook. Thinks,
I honestly think I'm gonna introduct here. I think we should. I think
this is a good time for usto transition over to YouTube, and if
anyone's interested in hearing about Greg's encounter, I think you need to join us
on YouTube. At this point.I know I'm brutal. Report away.

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I'm yep, I'm brutal. Allright, everybody, come on join us
on YouTube. Okay. So,and I guess I'll just start start from
the start. I'm Greg Walter,author of my book Ridgewalkers in Two Worlds.
This is it. It's up onAmazon. You can also order it
direct on my web page or orto email me. I'm Gee Walter twenty

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seventeen at gmail dot com. AndI think I'll start with what's been requested
as far as my personal story,and that was a sixty mile loopike I
did that was going to take Iestimated about eight days, and it was
some of the toughest hiking I've everdone because I was basically the trail had

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turned into a deer trail that turnedinto a trace m in some places,
obliterated by landslides, brush open meadowand all these different things. But but
on this trip, I went toone place and I literally cried for luck.
Um that's a native term and um. And I didn't think I was

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doing that. I just was pentup with a lot of emotion and I
burned some sage. So I foundmy sage. So that's why this should
be there. There's my sage,burned, just just a small amount.
I was just burning this little thing. It wasn't even a campfire. It
was just smoldering sage. And fromthere the next night, um, I

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must have got to pass through.I mean I must have had something something
watching me, saying okay, okay, this dog can hunt and so um.
So then so then that next nightI camped at a place where there
was open meadow, beautiful big incensecedars and um. And I found a

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bubbling spring and I went over tothe spring, and I see this beautiful
salamander. Wow, you're so cool, you know. I picked him up
and thank him for being there andput him back down in the spring.
And from there continue my camp.And the next day I hiked brutally out
to a place it was It wasquite a day, and it was funny
because on the map I realized Ionly traveled like four miles, but it

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was just tough, tough, downeight hundred feet down eight hundred feet up,
you know, following a jagged ridgeline, and you know, doing all
this. So so I got outto this place and I find a little
branch trail, like a little traceof a trail, and I knew on
the map where I was because itwas a whole divide system. It's like

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a whole mountain divide that went inthis other direction. And so I walk
out there and I see this amphitheaterand there's some ponds there, and I
was on a contact zone. Acontact zone means and now there's two different
types of geology, thus two differenttypes of vegetation. And so some had
these Darlingtonia plants and open sort ofcedar, certain of pine, and then

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the rest of it was sort ofa conifer forest. And so that was
a day site. Serpentine contact Serpentine'sfascinating because it's the Earth's mantle that's risen
to the surface of the Earth.You know, normally it's like thirty miles
down. And so so at anyrate I get to this contact zone,
I set up my camp and Iand I went up on the ridge because

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I could look out over the wholedivide and look out over the whole area,
and it wasn't that far. Itwas maybe two hundred feet above me,
and I um, and then I'mup there. I come back and
I see these little ponds. Littleponds are very important here. And so
I come back down to my camp. I'm cleaning myself up, and I
go over to take a shower andI look down from this flat rock I

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was standing on so I could soI could throw water over my head.
I see this bare footprint. I'mgoing, Okay, this is cool,
um, you know. And butit definitely scared the Bejesus out of me
too. You know. It's likeit's like, okay, what's what's a
way too big of a guy witha bare foot, you know, leaving
this print out here. So thenthen it popped in my head, Oh

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big foot, you know, likethis big foot, um and um.
And it was kind of interesting becausethe heel was curved. I remember that,
um. And so I took noteof some of this, and I
actually took time to grab one ofmy hiking boot laces and I marked it
with a piece of charcoal. Asfar as the length of the foot,
I didn't think the measure the width, so shelve that for a bit and

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then I go back over to mycampsite. The sun is sinking. It's
it's that time of the thin redline and um and then from there this
thing appears. It just shows upin the amphitheater, crash, crash,
crash, stump stump. It goesover to the water and it's drinking water.

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Slurp slur, slur slur. Whereverit was there was no water.
I mean, this thing was drinkingfor a full minute. And then from
there I hear a splash, splash, splash, crash, crash, stump
stump, and I'm watching this thing. The moon's rising, but it's behind
it's still behind the ridge. Imean, the thing's timing was like perfect

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and basically then it it then isdoing a semicircle around me, and it
was when he was emerging, likehe was almost parallel to me. That
that's when I saw him, youknow, when I really got a good
look. But it was still justa shadowy figure. But the eyes were
just these gray icy eyes, andit just froze me. I'm standing right

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next to my tent, my flashlightin my hand, and the message in
my head spirit messages was don't eventhink about it, like, don't even
put that light on me, youknow. Oh, so it wasn't spirit
message, your spirit guid do youthink it was. It was communicating with
you telepathically. Oh definitely, Yeah, awesome. And I would find out

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about that or about you know,their ability to communicate telepathically. But you
don't think it's like, hey,you're you know, I mean, you
know, you've you've been out inthe zones of working in uh law enforcement
sort of feel with the coast guard. You know, you get that big
burly guy whatever it hits, ithits a doorway in a bar or something

(36:22):
like that, and just had thatlook of now you're you're not coming here,
You're just you're just not you know. Was was it that kind of
you know, yeah, it was. It was something that it was like,
don't object that that power, don'tcross that line, you know.
And because it was, it hadits path that was going on. Um.

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I did not put a flashlight onhim. I did not even approach
him. I was just frozen becauseI was I was scared, and a
lot of my fear was from I'mI'm witnessing this bipedaled hairy thing walking you
know, it would have been likea bar are walking for you know,
one hundred feet or more, andyou know, and it just absolutely freaked

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me out. It was just soaberrant, you know, and so so
alien. You know, really whenit drank, did it use its hands
or did it have his face inthe water? How did it? They
must have had its face in themore because it was slurping from the from
the pond. And you know.Now, and the other thing that indicated
to me too, and I wouldrealize this later, was it, Well,

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there's no way this thing came downfrom the ridge because there was water
up there. And so that's whatmade me realize, my god, this
thing appeared in the area. It'slike the portal was there, and you
know, and I, yeah,I actually walked back to the place.
I mean, this was in latertrips. I went back there a couple
times and I went to that exactplace. So then that begs a question

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that these portals do they stay inone place? Are they ever moving?
Do they do they move like saylike within it within say the amphitheater.
You know, something the size ofa football field. It's over here one
year and then it's over here oneyear. You know, is it personal
to each of them? Right?It could be, you know. That's

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the other thing, is it soso? At any rate? I m
so So I have this encounter,I'm I'm internalizing all of this, especially
through the night. It never cameback, so I didn't have to deal
with rocks thrown at my tent orsticks thrown at me or anything like this.
It just kept going and um,and and this thing was very athletic,

(38:37):
very strong. Was not something thatwas sort of like it was.
It was almost the antithesis of whatthe Patterson Gimmlin movie was. Um.
You know, and even like thelike the silhouette of the big Foot behind
you, you imagine something a lotthinner and but you could tell, you
know, the muscle structure and everythingjust graceful quick. Um, I mean,

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something that could easily run down adeer and kill it easily, almost
like where we're hearing from the guysin Oklahoma what they're describing down an act
just that thin you know, morebasketball player than a football player kind of
thing. Um. You know you'vementioned splunking and some of your other endeavors,
and I know you're big into lookingat mapping and mining and that kind

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of stuff. Do you you knowwhat the composition in the area is of
any crystals or minerals or anything specialin that area, um, you know,
other than it was a contact zone. And and serpentine invites that,
you know, because serpentine was youknow, it's like, imagine this uplift

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of serpentine from the Earth's mantle andfrom there whatever was on top of that
or whatever was was beside it.That's why that area is just rife with
fault zones. And so you know, and you get and you get this
contact and you know, the thingI extrapolate the book just to have a
little fun with this is that imaginethe contact zone. And we played with

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this thing called the Ultimate Matrix.And that's an actual true occurrence that treasure
hunters have to deal with. UMbecause I have a friend that he sells
treasure hunting equipment. UM and hewas great, greatly helpful, Thank you,
Bob. But UM but at anyrate, UM, within that,
you know, you've got this thiscontact zone, and you can have some
weird mixtures of minerals in there thatcould that also serve as like a homing

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beacon. And similar to the waythe ser similar way, the Moon serves
almost like a sea booy to therest of the universe to draw whatever to
us based on the Moon. Andso you know, they've and there's been
studies on that as far as theMoon's ability, it's relationship with Earth and

(40:52):
how you know that because of thatthat that it can be you know,
kind of a beacon to serve tobring things here. You know, it's
it's probably one of several indicators.But I was playing with the idea that
a contact zone would would contain thisthis frequency matrix that basically would have it

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where that's what would bring the wormholeto that place. Well, you know,
if you even look at like Stonehengeand stuff like that, that that
gray the blue gray rock, Ican't think of what it is off the
top of my head that it's madeout. It was supposed to have some
sort of interesting composition and stuff likethat. So going with your portal thing,
that's why I was just wondering ifyou had taken a look at what

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the mineral composition was, you know, just not a curiosity though, do
you happen to know if there wasany burgal grounds around? Do you happen
to know if any any you know, battles happened in that area, you
know, was there a lot ofdeath in that area? Is that area?
Was that area known for anything paranormalor we had a read oh yeah,

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oh yeah, yeah. I meanyou know the thing I think so
in later years in my research,this is where the pieces of the puzzle
begin to fall together. You knowthat the salamander I ran into. I
mean, one elder you revealed tome one time that you know that that
they go up on the ridges,the shamans or the apprentices or whatever,

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they go up there and they knowthey're on the right path if they see
a salamander in the spring and thesalamander. And actually in my research I
found this that that there's two kindsof little people. There's the land babies
and the water babies. And whatI ran into was a shape shifted water
baby. And you know, andthat's that's in their lore. I mean,

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you know, and that's that's what'sso far out with it is that
is that it's not like, youknow, it's not like on some drunken
night I invented this. You knowthat that, yeah, this is buried
in their lore and this and I'mI'm and I'm in their church. And
the little people, by the way, they're like they're gods, They're like
the immortals. They're the ones thatarguably taught the people how to live on

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the lands sustainably. That's a bigword here, sustainably. And you know,
and if they don't, then badthings can happen. And if bad
things happen, then there's things theycan do to kind of ameliorate or you
know, to to neutralize or youknow, make it not as bad,
kind of like the FED is dealingwith the interest rates. Broke that one.

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But anyway, and folks that itdidn't catch our interview with Greg our
original interview back when we first gotstarted. You've done a lot of research
into the little people, and Imean you pointed me in some directions that,
you know, gave me some pointswhere I could take a look.
Yeah, and that's that's I needto get a copy of that, because

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you know, I get a lotof stuff with people asking about you know,
certain people's, certain creatures and actuallywere was a whole clubhouse thing that
we did one night with a wholebunch of us with um uh yeah,
Jeremiah and his group from Bigfoot Societyand Alexander and the whole group and Greg
Um and it was all on youknow, little people from around the world.

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So you actually gave me some reallygood pointer. So guys check out
greg stuff because he has done alot of research for his for his books.
I mean, that's that's awesome thatyou know, that's it's there.
You know, you're you know,I listened to a lot of your interviews
when you're talking with a lot ofother podcasters and stuff like that, and

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I'm always going, Okay, whatelse do we need to ask him?
And you know, the little peopleare I mean, it's just you know,
my buddy's not in the audience tonight. But again he's another biologist and
scientist, and we get in thecar and you spin off and a lot
of times we do spin off onthat cold quantum physics thing and and where
we are going in in their religiousbackgrounds. So having the ends that you

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have with certain groups and again keepingthose groups confidential, of course, what's
what aha moment kind of came toyou, you know, when you started
really going down this. I mean, I understand the salamander was a was
a big thing in and you know, to keep you pushing down this path

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a couple m one was that,um, because I'm also on the board
of the Crater Lake and Organ CavesNatural History Association, and one of the
park naturalists was the one that wrotethis book about American elves. And you
know, of course to the scientificcommunity like well, stay a task,

(45:43):
you know, you know, workon mollusks in the caves or something.
But anyways, um, you know, with this though, it was fascinating
because um, the Governor's partner thatwas a little people called but that was

(46:05):
a different show, right right.But you know the the other thing there
too was that um was that sothe author of this book, John Um,
you know, he was revealing tome a story and this happened,
I guess about three years ago.And this happened I think last year.
He was telling me about this becauseI had him sign his book. You
know, it's it's kind of arare book to begin with, the only

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printed like a couple hundred of them, and they're long since gone. So
now so now you have a bookfrom nineteen ninety seven that's in the rare
book genre. Um. But butat any rate, um, um,
you know a story he had wasfrom a fellow worker that he knew up
at Mountain International Park. And theguy was a maintenance worker and he was

(46:45):
out there in September, first snowabout this time of year. The first
snow had dusted avery are and andhe was out, you know, working
on like a maintenance shed, youknow, some machinery or something in this
maintenance shed, and he heard likethe footfalls, you know, something crunching
through the snow outside. And helooked over and he sees this thing that

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stands about two and a half feettall, with deer legs and half human.
It looks at him, it justgoes bah and runs like hell into
like a little side ravine. Boopgone. Um. I mean he probably
had like a five second, sixsecond glimpse of this thing, and um,
that's one of the little people.So like a pan type creature,

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then, yeah, like a pantype creature. Sometimes they have lizard legs.
Sometimes they're described with with you know, deer legs, animal legs of
some kind. But then a humansort of half human half animal. Reminds
me of the Chronicles of Narnia,right, or the camera in the Bible.
Well, yeah, and so andSo this is the thing is that

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you know, these things date back, you know, and within human history
all over the world, you know, in different forms and um. And
these are the immortals. They livetwo to three thousand years. They you
know, they're they're the ones thatbasically taught men how to live on the
landscape. And the purpose of thebig Foot and the purpose of even the

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little people is that from time totime the shaman has to go up to
the to the to the high mountain. But these aren't really high mountains,
are more like the mid elevation ridgelines. They go up there, they
follow a procedure, there's prayer spots. They have to prepare by by fasting
and sweating and you know, dippingin the river, you know, twelve
times or whatever like this. Thenthey go up on the ridge lines.

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They encounter the salamander, and thenthe next night there to have an encounter
and the encounter from there, whatit is is they sing two songs.
One is a song of introduction andthen the other one is a song seeking
knowledge. And and so within thatum, that's when the the sasquatch would
appear. And UM and basically youknow, speak probably telepathically and probably in

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the native language. You know.Sorry, they're not doing the Lingua franco,
you know, mossy and glaze,um, you know, but um,
but they they they would then theywould then learn, you know that
like the salmon are not going torun next year, plan something else for
food. Um, you're going tohave a blight on the agcorns, you

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know, and so and so probablyaround food security, to help the tribe
weather through whatever bad event is goingto happen, and so, you know,
and there was just an example recentlyon you know, the river,
yeah and so so so yeah.Um, so it's interesting as far as

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how that happens. Yeah, wellit's interesting you talk about the song of
introduction. Uh. You know ourfriend jameson Wisconsin, he always does an
introduction when he goes in. Joethat just laughed from from Western New York.
Bigfoot, Um, who's down thestreet for me. Hopefully he's gonna
make it this weekend again. Anotherguy talks about doing introduction or you know,

(50:02):
want to thank you coming to andfrom the woods every time he goes
in. And I've heard that froma lot of folks. Uh, you
know, I tend to be onthat you know, physical aper side of
things, and you know, tryto really hit the scientific point, but
you know it is that that respectto any natural creature, you know,

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even when you take it as ahunter. You know, well, but
I think that just goes hand inhand with everything else too, because you're
still going into nature, which isspiritual. You're still going into the universe,
out into the wilderness and into thewoods, and you still are dealing
with that spiritual side of things aswell. And it's the same you know
with ghosts, haunts and investigations whateveryou want to call them, paranormal you

(50:46):
know, mediumship, everything, respectand gratitude and consideration always, you know,
right nice, So on that introductionand going back to the fun guy,
done any look into and into thecommunication between mushrooms and in the in

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the environment. You know, mushrooms. Mushrooms are amazing. I mean they
you know, they're they're this they'rethis huge surface living system. And what's
so far out with them is thatis especially in a forest where you get
the lichens up in the tops ofthe trees. That so this is in

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the canopy way up high, andevery once in a while they get a
good windstorm, especially right before itrains like crazy, and so and so,
then these lichens come falling down toearth. That then what it is
is that is that they are thethey are the nitrogen fixers. So they
release this, you know, basicallyalmost unseen chemical into the ground. The

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ground is filled with nitrogen, butthe tree needs the nitrogen fix or to
be able to um to to absorbthe nitrogen, because that's that's the conduit
between the ground and the tree.But then there's another layer to this.
On the tree roots. You haveboth ectomicroiza and endomicroiza, and it's the

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I think it's the ectomicroiza is theone that allows that begins the absorption process
for the tree to get to getthe nutrient and so and so and so.
Within that, then then of coursewhen you have a healthy ecosystem,
you've got layers, different layers ofthese microhizal mats. And the microhizal mat

(52:36):
is like a tree into itself,and all it takes is the right temperature
and moisture and here comes the fruit, which are the mushrooms and so and
so. The mushrooms tied in withthe tree, tied in with the canopy
that makes the whole thing take place, because the canopy sets the stage for
the temperature. And you know that'swhy they're called temperate rainforests. Um,

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you know that that it's that it'sit's that temperature and all of those things
have to click to make it happenfor this forest to be very healthy.
And so within that you get this. You know, it's almost like the
cycle of life, you know,happening right before your eyes. But some
of it's like way up in thecanopy and some of it's underground you can't
even see it, and so it'sit's far out. So thank you,

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Greg, because you just proved mybig point about chasing the big guy back
here is that you have to learnmultiple, multiple disciplines to be out chasing
this thing and enjoying the environment.So those folks that just say we're going
to go out in the woods andlook for the big fi totally miss the
food that you can collect. Likeyou said, fungi, you're salmon,

(53:45):
and I'm gonna let you go becauseI can see your brain going faster.
Mind. The other together point thatyou know is the power of the hunter,
you know, and and this isthe thing with hunters is that,
you know, because they're kind ofpart of the landscape as they have been
for a millennia and so and that'swhy oftentimes you know, upon your kill

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you give thanks. Um. Youknow, there's there's different blessings that can
happen that you know, because you'rethe one providing food for the family,
for the village, for you know, whomever. And you know, and
that's um And that's an important point, you know, as far as as
our you know, once again,you're not above the ecosystem, you're not

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below it. You're just a partof it. And that's a Tom Brown
quote. Well, he's the manwhen it comes to that kind of stuff,
you know, the way to go, you know. And we've had
some folks that you know, I'vespent time with him. Did you spend
time with him in all of thewoods training? No, let's just know,
okay, no, you know,I mean he got he got a

(54:49):
little, um, you know,a little too much into himself, I
think in later years. But butI think it is early years. I
mean, he was you know,he was right on and and I mean
what a playground as far as youknow, the New Jersey Pine barrens,
you know, and so and soyou know, and that's and that's the
thing, is that the point thatI would make, and I actually write
about this at the end of thebook, is how to find a power
spot. And so to your listenersout there, you know, to like,

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when you find a spring, youknow, um, that is potentially
a sacred place, especially in thedesert, and you know, and so
things like this, you know,and so when you mentioned the crystals and
and you know, these occurrences geogeologically, you know, that could also
be you know, some kind ofan indicator of of a sacred place or

(55:35):
you know, um that would drawthis this sort of energy. And that
was why you know, in thatin that entire area that I was in,
it's a whole sort of like aseries of ridgelines and um in there's
springs up there, and there's meadowsand you know all this. You know,
they're kind of like the headwaters ofseveral streams and you know, and
and within that whole geographic area,that's that's the sacred area, you know.

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And sometimes you and feel the energy, you know, I mean it's
just heavy in the air, um, you know, and it's just it's
something that basically says, you know, don't play with me. You know,
I'm not something to be trifled with. UM. You know, they
have a lot of respect. Sowhat brought you to that particular It was

(56:20):
just a gut instinct or did somebodysay, hey, go clear ahead.
You know, hey, it's anatural you know, like I got to
go to the Grain Canyon every coupleof years because I just need to go
chill out it, you know,near that energy set up, you know,
kind of like folks want to goto Sedona or you know other places
like that, you know, right, And I think for me, it

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was because I wanted to go tothe place that wasn't the high mountain lake
that you know, the scenic peakthat everybody likes to go to. Oh
look there's seven other campers over there, and and it was weird. Okay,
doo doo doo doo doo. Onemoment that happened was about three years
before I had my encounter. Iwas up at one of those high mountain
lags. A couple had just leftand and so I was by myself at

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night, you know, big peakyou know, on the other side of
the lake, and UM and Iremember I was sitting there, was drinking
a beer, so so it wasa little intoxicated. But but anyway,
I'm sitting there enjoying my beer andI hear this, but you know,
there's weird, weird noise yelling almostyou know, from the mountain, somewhere

(57:28):
up you know, up on themountain. You know, Like this freaked
me out, absolutely scared the Jesusout of me. Um, didn't know
what to do, didn't know whatto make of it. I'd never heard
anything like it before. I thoughtit was just some crazy coyote. All
right. Pan ahead twenty seven yearsand I hear Ron mooreheads the Sierra Sounds,

(57:49):
and there was one sound in there. Oh my god, that was
right on, you know. Imean it was exact and you know,
and so so if I were togive testament to his to those sounds that
that he recorded, Um, Imean, I feel like from that that
made it, that made it whereyou know, I was an instant convert,
like, you know, basically thatwas the real deal. Um,

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you know, And yeah, thoseSarah sounds are just amazing. They've got
a couple of questions from the audience. Uh well, actually comment here from
Matt from Central Florida. Bigfoot whowe always get out in the woods with,
who sounds like that, you knowwhen he forgets his water, uh,
you know or falls in the watersin the water. Uh. You

(58:32):
know in Florida, there's a lotof those springs that you know, have
the indigenous people around the springs.And I had to do it. Well,
yeah, Instant Florida the place wherethey've got these underwater I want to
call them rivers, but you knowthey're like underwater passages and I think that's

(58:53):
with the cars topography. Um,you know, Missouri has the same thing.
That's but they're caves more, youknow, and it's that karst um.
Yeah, you know, you knowit's horrific for caves. I mean
there's a million of them. Yeah. It's like going into the Tennessee to
Mammoth or something or Kentucky Tennessee.It's kind of on the boarder there the

(59:15):
Mammoth Cave. And then Max anothergreat guy to get out in the woods
with. If you get a chance, do Grantite and courts figure into that
location, you know. I mean, that's that's right. Granite usually like
like where I associate granite more heavilyis in the Sierras because that was a
you know, that was a wholeuplift of granite um. You know.

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But but there's certain places like inin northern California and the Marble Mountains you
can you can get up into oryou don't, like the Russian Wilderness,
the Trinities that has a lot ofgranite, this place didn't really have that
um. That's not to say there'snot some some outcroppings of that um,
but there's different there's different geology there, you know, as far as it's

(59:58):
right, because it's not and andI shouldn't say that because grantite actually does
does focus in as far as whenyou get into Douglas fir forests, you
know, at like higher elevation,that's usually a lot of granite um.
But it's but it's a weird mixthere because you've got the serpentine and then
you've also got day site and daysite is basically that's another form of vulcanism,

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you know, where it's a muchmore explosive, you know kind of
volcanics as opposed to the basic mayficor the the lava you know, like
you see in Hawaii bubbling everywhere.Um, you know, um, you
know, you know. A goodexample of day site also is the andesitic
explosion, similar to like Mount SaintHelens where you get these explosive volcanoes.

(01:00:44):
You know, that's in the that'sthe ring of fire, and that's just
that. You know, we havea lot of sightings around Saint Helens and
you know Shasta and all that.You know, those those old setups you
know in you know, I'm goingto be up in the out around next
to this weekend and that's that's alot of granite up in there and again
throwing to the pine and again,folks. That's what I'm saying is you

(01:01:05):
know, the big guy I thinkis more a keeper of nature and getting
us to educate ourselves more about what'sgoing on. So yeah, yeah,
and it ties in you know,you know, another quick quick conjection there
is that is that That's why Iencourage that, you know, for folks
that are going out to a certainplace like the Adirondacks to learn about the
native lore, because there might beplaces there, you know, like places

(01:01:27):
that like we see on the map. Oh look it's called Spirit Mountain.
Well you know what, maybe they'renot kidding, and you know, and
so and so that is something thatum that is an interesting side point too.
And you know this is across ourlandscape. Um. You know that's
why it's like, wait, howdo you have an Oklahoma big foot?
How do you have a big foot? And you know, it doesn't make
any difference because wherever there, whereverthere was a tribe, you know,

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they probably had their requisite little peopleand then here come the giants and so
and so, you know, andthe giants sadly, it's like they're still
returning even though the tribe may nolonger be there. Right, So you
know, and I bring it upall the time. You got to go
look at that history in your areaand you hit that again. I mean,
I wish we were looking for somesome tribal areas for some property.

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A gentleman keeps having some stuff happenedthat I work with. And as I
pulled up the thing up, youknow, it goes into you know,
giants and some other creatures and stuff, and and that's going back. You
know, this book was written wellbefore the internet, well right, you
know, you know, late eighteenhundreds, and you know it's it's very

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interesting, you know, and Patrick. You know the excuse, you know,
he says, the excuses for coveringour lack of Woodman's skip. You
know. Yeah, I mean that'sjust learning on what you're doing out there
in the woods and knowing what's goingon. I mean, I keep I
show, you know, just makingsure you have the plant guides and stuff
like that, you know, havingit having this stuff there or at all.

(01:03:00):
He's being Greg's thing, and wetalked just about snakes and stuff this
morning, you know, making sureyou know what you know, thank you
your rattlesnakes, trying to back youknow, but again, no one where
that stuff is because I mean that'sa big joke because when it goes to
the boys down and uh Florida.I mean I went out with Matt for

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the first time and I'm just trappedin through the everylage or we're close where
we were up north, and he'slike, hey, you know, dummy,
you know there's rattlesnakes all over theplace. And the year before I'm
like, somebody said, hey,don't get off here because there's pigmy rattlesnakes
and they don't rattle. You don'tknow that you're gonna get bit by.
You know, it is so important, this flow of stuff, you know.

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But you know the rattlesnakes, Imean with with my guy out here,
Pumpkin, I named her. I'myou know, she starts rattling and
then you step back a few stepsshe stops. Okay, all right,
so that's she'll teach you social distancing. You know, I need to be
talked social distancing when it comes toany kind of snake. I promise you
that they have all the distance theywant. Friends of mine, rattlesnake and

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they freak out. The rattlesnakes freakedout, now, you know, whereas
if you went, oh look atrattlesnake, Hi, baby, how are
you like this? Everything's calm?The rattlesnakes say, okay, then quilo
mellow. You know. They theypick up on those vibes with their tongue.
You know, it's like when alittle kid hurts themselves. You just
keep it calm, you don't freakout. Email there's blood everywhere and their
heads. Yeah. But as faras historical background, you know, I

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mean that's why like in this bookhere, the dark Watchers just a little
bit yeah. Um, you knowthe thing here is The only point I
want to make in this is justthat you know that these that these dark
watchers, the little people of theCenter Lucia Mountains, of the big sur

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area there south of San Francisco,is that you know, it dated back
to Spanish California, where they calledthem Los vigilante so scuros literally meaning the
dark watchers and so um similar toand this is a story I related in
the book I talk about them,the encounter that happened there in the Catskill

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Mountains with Rip Van Winkle and Umand basically how we ran into what was
arguably a jay gayo and the jaygao is the little people of the Catskills,
and you know he got caught upin this dance. I mean,
there's different versions of this, youknow, as far as what exactly happened.

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Old ripped there, but Um,but there was you know, it's
like Washington Irving hadn't even visited thatarea and when he wrote that book,
and yet when you go back intime in the Indian lore, they had
a story of a squirrel hunter thatwas out there that um that basically ran
into one of these jay ao,spent the night with it, and that

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night lasted over a year and soand so see this is where it's like,
it's like it's fun to tie inlike our own folklore with the native
stories that also collaborate the folklore.Yeah, Matt Watson, Matt Watson,

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all, if you take on anyinterns, well, you know, it'd
be fun to you know, zoomand so forth like that and talk about
you know, because I might beable to help, like through this book.
What I can do for you is, um, like, for instance,
you're going into the Adirondacks, isto pin down you know, like
what just roughly what geographic area andkind of what tribe is there and then

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and then from there what what theirversion of the little people was. And
thank you, Matt. I appreciatethat, you know, and I was
kind to kind of go that waymyself as that you know, when we
sit and we have our conversations,it's always um a broad vast you know
thing to bring it all down inthe one one chamber. And I just

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put your Facebook page into the chatsas well, so folks and go and
take a look at that. Umyeah, it's just and bring your own
I didn't mean to slide you offthere. Christie, and I'm like,
I remember if I'm if I'm thatwas a that was uh yeah, yeah.
If you two need to talk,no no, no, no,

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no no, yeah. We bothget on a thought sometimes you don't.
You just want to you know,we didn't make it this long because we
can't because we know we were verywell this way. Yes, everything too,
is it because because the power ofyou two is that you've got different

(01:07:55):
perspectives in this and so yeah,and I can bring that out you you
you forced the author or you knowwhoever you're interviewing, you know, to
bring that out of them. Yeah, we got your right off the bat.
Didn't we even put your right overthe fire that first time? You
know, I need that. UM. You know. But but as far
as you know what Matt's to Matt'squestion, there is that you know,

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one of the powers that I canhelp them with or you aid people with,
is that UM. In regards tolike their area, they probably have
an anthropological library in one of thenearby universities, UM. One of the
big ones in America where there's two, actually Smithsonian UM. You know,
it was a massive and they gotamazing stuff. UM. But also the

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University of California at Berkeley the AnthropologicalLibrary. They're the ale Kroeber Library,
and you know, um, andthat was that was the quote that I
used in my book wherever my bookwent, Um, it was it was
basically you know that knowing you know, those who can write and um,

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and basically who were there gods andheroes and what was their way? And
you know, and that was youknow, that was from Isshi going all
the way back to nineteen fifteen,and so you know, and this is
I mean, that's that's the corequestion, you know. And I mean,
you know, you could investigate theMena Huni of Hawaii or you know,
I'm you know, now one thatI took on that I thought was

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interesting and I feel like, Okay, here's an example of where we could
have a physical being is like thispendac orang there in the central part of
Somatra where you who is that?What the what? Okay? You rang
pendac or pendac orang? You know? Yeah? And and these are these

(01:09:43):
they're like a they're like a smallbig foot maybe four feet tall, and
they're in this certain jungle area therein Sumatra that hasn't been well explored.
It's very hard to get into.It's not easily accessible. You're dealing with
a either double can be or triplecanopy, you know, rainforest, tropical
rainforest, and and with caves inyou know, funky places like this.

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And now there's an example where wecould have a biological species that's gone unnoticed,
that we that is not in thefossil record, you know, as
opposed to to many of the othersthat are in that area, like Homo
florencii and um, you know,and this is the one the Lost World
of the Little People and that's that'sfrom um, that's from Indonesia and so

(01:10:34):
you know. But but those arejust some examples of where all right,
maybe we could have Now those guysdied off maybe like eleven thousand years ago,
but there's this around Pandoc. They'vethey've had sightings, you know.
And this is what we run intowith Bigfoot, is that is that,
you know, the scientific community couldjust easily blow this thing off. The

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problem is is that the masses keepfinding footprints, and they keep finding site,
you know, they keep there's there'scontinually sightings. Um. You know.
The cool thing there was that guyin Texas, the criminologists that basically
tracks down criminals by their footprints.And so they threw an array of the
big foot footprints in front of him, and basically he went no, no,

(01:11:18):
no, no, yes, yes, two of them. One was
from northern California and the other onewas from I think southern British Columbia up
there by Harrison Hot Springs and sobut everything else. Didn't he play on

(01:11:42):
the big bank, our little clickclick of big footers? Uh? Yes,
And Matt does have a background inarchaeology and anthropologis good. You know.
I got to spend some time inMarch with both him and Max,
and our conversations were just like this, we just shoot right off the other

(01:12:03):
way, you know, And that'sthe way to really look at all things.
Really, Yeah, look at lookat the conundrum that Jeff Meldrum is
in where it's like, wait aminute, I'm a scientist, but somehow
I've been drawn into the whole bigfootcommunity because he's trying to you know,
and and he's trying to keep youknow, on a scientific line in this
even though you know, the corequestion is do you believe you know you

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know and so and so that's that'swhere you have to split like hypothesis and
fact and all this stuff with beliefbecause belief is the other end of it,
you know. Well that's yeah,I'm part of I'm part of Project
Zoobook. And yeah, some ofmy fellow members that can't come out,
you know, publicly, and youknow the dilemma that they're in. And
man, they educate every time Isit down with them, and it's like,

(01:12:51):
Okay, you know, where canwe go next? And and you
you are really hitting some some reallykey points on where we're going. And
I think there was a comment about, oh, Matt Watson if you teach
at any colleges anywhere. Um,yeah, And I go to Matt when
it comes to using film and stufflike that, and make sure you got

(01:13:12):
your glass nearby because we're gonna talkgibbles. Um. But we had Matt
on the show. It's a wholebig thing. If you say, gimbally
got a drinking. But you know, my soup dujure. What I really
like to collect our old Forest Servicemaps and then I have a collection about
twelve hundred of them. I specializein the Pacific West, and then from

(01:13:36):
there I've done presentations on the historyof the Forest Service and also the history
of like the gold rugs in Californiaand what that looked like, and um,
based on several historical societies. UM. You know, these these different
libraries that have all this information onthis stuff. The Bancroft Library is par
excellence. UM. Yeah, theyactually have some of the Wimmer nuggets that

(01:13:59):
are the nuggets that were found atthe tail Race on the South Fork of
the American River in eighteen forty eight. UM. You know, it was
interesting the timing of all of that, where it's like you've got discovery,
they find it, but then fromthere it wasn't announced since until President Polk
announced it December of eighteen forty eightthat um, you know, announced that
gold was discovered in California and UMand that that's what created the forty nine

(01:14:24):
Ers, the football team. Imean yeahs So you have all these maps.
Have you looked at the big Footmapping project and maybe taken some of
the old maps that you have andtaken a look or looked for you know,

(01:14:47):
those places like eight Canyon or Devil'sMountain or any of lows and started
to criss cross the sightings with thatkind of stuff. Yeah, the yes
and no, I haven't done itreally as far as close but criss crossed.
You know. The thing. Thething there is that like how close

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or how far were they away from? Um, say, like these early
pack trails, you know, andmost of the places I'm running into they're
um, they're they're kind of notyou know, but um. But once
again, think what were the areasthat the natives would have used, you
know, where it's that old proverbialgo up on the mountain, you know,

(01:15:32):
you discover well, they're not kidding, you know, and that's and
that's where these things are mostly goingto be. Um. I mean,
you know. Another example I haveis like one of my friends, Joaquin,
he lives along the river there that'sabout six air miles from where I
had my encounter. And he's livedout on the land where you got to
hike in a mile you got acrossthe stream and hike out to his place.

(01:15:55):
And um he's lived lived there forthe last forty five years. And
once again, no sightings, nofootprints, and he's actually on also it's
it was one of the places theycalled the up river place. It was
a it was a village and um, and there's the pit houses there and
you know, he actually has it'scalled a geoglyph. Geoglyphs are cool if

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you ever run across these things.They're basically where like in his case,
it's this. It's almost like theselittle rocks lining out this area smaller than
a football field, and it waswhere they would play the stick games and
um and and like over the years, like he'd have crows fly down and
they would roll over the rock toget some bug under it or something like

(01:16:38):
this. So every couple of yearshe's got to go out there and put
the rocks back, you know,line them back up again. But he's
had you know, tribal elders comeout and look at the place, and
you know he's got i think threedifferent pit houses out there. And once
again, no sightings, no,no, no howls in the night,
not a um you know. Andthat's that's where I think everything happening up

(01:17:00):
on the ridges, you know,it's you got to go to them.
But then once you're there, theycome to you. Um. You know
that's the goal. I mean,you know, um yeah. And you
know as far as the little people, you know, mix throw them in
the mix and so so yeah,so when is the focus going to be
on the little people for you.Well, you know, it's a fun

(01:17:21):
to me. It's just a fascinatingand fun topic. Um because of the
fact that you know, it's sotied into their culture, you know,
I mean, this is what builttheir society, um, you know,
and you could use examples of whereeven like even like buck Goosen Zonaqua,
which is part of the uk roodleup there on you know, north of

(01:17:43):
Vancouver Island. And the thing aboutthe thing about what's happening up there was
that if you ever go to theAmerican Museum of Natural History in New York
City and you go into the Northwestroom, they have a back display that
has these skins that basically there werebear skins of a sort, but one
was made up like a big footand the other one was the other one

(01:18:06):
was made up like just a bearskin. Hold one, please hold on
it. So, folks, thanksfor joining us over on a YouTube again.
Please like, share, subscribe,hit that button and I'll let Greg
pop back in. And then wegot another question in the comments there.

(01:18:28):
Okay, yeah, so just justreally quick in this they give a little
preamble a buck Goosen Zonaqua and whatthey were, what was happening there was
within that nation, was that ifyou were going to inherit like a prime
clambing bed, a salmon spot,a hunting area, something like this,
that you'd have to go through atribal initiation to be able to inherit that
place from your family and so andin that tribal initiation, one of the

(01:18:54):
things they would do is have thesethese Indians grab these kids, drag them
off in the woods, screen andso forth like that, and basically threatened
to eat them in small bites.You know, they gambled away their their
inheritance, you know, or isthis something stupid with their clambing area that
could kill the family, you know, from their food supply and um and

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so and so this is where allof a sudden, now Bigfoot becomes a
tool, you know, you know, as far as as far as teaching
the kids that you know, andthis is where a lot of times,
I mean, we all love theBoogeyman, you know at Jason Michael of
you know, you know, youget the name who and you know it's
like a few kids don't behave youknow, dot dot dot um. You

(01:19:38):
know. So, so that wasjust an example I wanted to give as
far as native. So we gottwo more questions and I'm gonna I'm gonna
go to Greg's before Matt's just becauseuh he's got a question or pugwag these
little people or something else. AndI know there's certain names you're not supposed

(01:19:59):
to say out And then I saidthat once and that's all I'm going to
say it. So let you so, Okay, I got those were those
little dessert things they serve with Halloween. No, I'm you know, see,
there's there's so many regional names forthese guys, you know, and
so and and then the other thingtoo, is that is that like a

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Euro American name we've adapted or isthat a name that came Is that a
tribal it's kind of a north It'sthat's kind of a Northeast thing. Um
pretty much from my area over.Max's a Massachusetts kind of guy, and
uh so it's kind of a Northeastthing. You know. We kind of
hear Bridgewater Triangle all the way overto us Hinsdale House, where Christy is

(01:20:46):
going to be in a couple ofweeks. There's some sightings up in that
area. Um so it's it's apretty it's a pretty common for for our
region. And so so that's Imean, it was Seneca, well is
he says, Wampanog. But Iknow, uh, here as well,
we'll kind of here pop up andyeah, I could look that up.

(01:21:10):
You know, it would take mea minute just to find out. Yeah,
you know, this book goes offof linguistic stock and so and so
he bases all of it from fromtheir language, and then from there breaks
down the tribes, you know,and and and in the book he'll call
out names like that, you know, and so and so it just takes
digging into, you know, whattribe I'm working with and what knowledge and

(01:21:33):
he bases it on. I mean, half of this book is um is
bibliography, and so it's all it'sall around, you know, Like I
have a book here it's called TribalInitiations and Secret Societies, and it just
kind of lays the framework out thata lot of tribes would use with regards
to these secret societies and you know, the different things they did, and

(01:21:55):
then some of the initiation thing likeI just described there that they have of
all places, the Americ Museum ofNatural History that is a fantastic museum.
You just don't want to go toyour city anymore. This Unfortunately I was
there as a kid, but Idon't know right right, right, Yeah,
I'm on my side of the state, not that side of the state.

(01:22:15):
Well, they took our will Lamittmeteor righte Um. Yeah, they
actually bought it back in nineteen ohsix. It's this beautiful example of a
meteor right from Oregon. Yeah,they're actually underneath they got the whole thing
going on with some other stuff,but the Cromal investigation and where they got
some of their stuff, it's kindof been right news. Yeah. So
Matt's question is, what what isGreg's biggest moment or discovery, discovery in

(01:22:45):
maps or in Bigfoot? Um,if it's if it's something that's in the
wild. Um. You know.One of the things I'm proudest of was
being able to UM to expand theOregon Caves National Monument. That got me
invited onto their board, and thatwas at least a few trips back and
forth to Washington, d C.And you know, and then getting the

(01:23:06):
local business leaders of the community tosee, yes, we want this,
and so UM, I think Bigfootgave me a high five on that one.
Um metaphorically of course. But butum, but as far as the
biggest, biggest discovery, I don'tknow, you know, in the map
world, I ran across a reallycool one. It was the base map

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they used. So it's a templatemap or an exemplar map, a hand
drawn that they used on how tofigure out how to draw townships in the
Pacific Northwest. And that was fromthe basis around the Willamette Stone that basically
laid the the them what do Iwant to say, the type of mapping

(01:23:49):
that involved meridians and um and baselinesand townships. You know, it was
like the beginning of township surveys outwest. And so yeah, that was
a rare find. That's awesome.Yeah, it's a strange. Don't ever
get started on collecting old maps's maps. It blows my mind how knowledgeable you

(01:24:14):
are. I'm so much thank you, truly. I think it's part of
my obsessive compulsive behavior. Um.But but it is really fun. Well
you can tell you really enjoy it, and that's the nice thing about it,
you know, and it makes iteasy to listen to you, you
know, because you just you careabout it and you're so involved with it,

(01:24:36):
and you know, it's just wow, we just blew through an hour
and a half like it was nothing. I'm going to put this up because
now I have it here, honestly. So there's Greg's new book in the
Search of the Dark Watchers. Lookthat up. I do have, yes

(01:24:59):
and dark is awesome. Yeah,the Dark Watchers. That was written by
Thomas Steinbeck who said that was youNo, no, no, no,
that's no my book? Which book? The rich? Why did you send
me that in your thing? Okay? Because I wanted you to see the
article there. Now I feel likean idiot. So all it was was

(01:25:26):
was it was just an example ofwhere it's like we've got the little people
even in our euro American and outwest that that dated prior to euro American
or you know, dated prior tohere we go. There's the website.
Yes, all right, so wehave Graggy's website. Hopefully it's coming up
here. There we go, Comeon, there we go, There you

(01:25:51):
go. So your book is here, there we go. I grabbed the
wrong graphic ball, that's all,you know. I mean, I think
the thing that you know, forany big foot aficionado, and I wonder
if this happens to people that havereal encounters that you wind up with a

(01:26:13):
library of this stuff. That bookcase behind me over here, yeah over
here, Yeah, mind's up.Yeah, that one, I mean that's
nothing but bigfoot, you know,and spirituality and um yeah, and so
the other one, the other oneat the edge of the counter here,
so yeah, totally. Oh,I can't believe I did that. The

(01:26:35):
thing well, and by the way, this Steinbeck one, good luck.
I don't even think they have anymore in existence. Um. You know,
that's that's a problem with these isthat they do a limited printing and
they sell out and um. Andso you know, yeah, sometimes you
take and you probably know this,you take on a topic that you know

(01:26:56):
you could quickly find yourself in therare book genre. Yeah, and so
we've got you. Where can folksfind you? Okay? Um, I
do have a website, the ridgewalkersdot com and I'm also on Amazon.
Um, I'm you know, I'mstill takering with a few final letters I

(01:27:17):
want to do. And authors arenever satisfied with their books, you know,
when somebody points out you didn't wantto carry in there, you know.
Um, But otherwise, you know, contact me. I'm you know,
through you guys or you know I'mYou can get a hold of me

(01:27:38):
on Facebook. I do have myGreg Walter author PM me if you have
questions or if you want to gettogether, you know, to do a
zoom meeting or you know, whateveryou like, if there's any way I
can help you in your quest andespecially in the research side of it.
You know, there's there's so muchcool stuff to explore there. Now,
I got it right there, yougo, here's the book. All right,

(01:28:00):
there's the book. You know whatI've got to suggest that I'm going
to make here, I'm gonna hookyou up with Matt from Central Florida.
Bigfoot Cool because Matt has a greatpodcast on Saturdays and his anthropological and his
background and you the questions I wantto ask Matt, you would definitely be

(01:28:26):
the one to follow up on.So, yeah, because he can push
the buttons better than I can today, especially where you know with regards to
that is that if I know,like what geographic area and I'm working with,
I can probably help him in hisquest, you know, starting with

(01:28:46):
the little people and then from thereexpanding out and you know, this is
where it becomes collaborative because he's goingto know more about Bigfoot. I might
be able to just help him onsome leads and some bibliographies that could that
could track them down that path ofyou know, whatever the seminoles were doing,
you know, or whatever tribe itwas. Yeah, it's fun.

(01:29:09):
So that's great, awesome, allright, So we got the we got
the website in there, We've gotthe Facebook page in there. They will
also be in the description again.Replay on this. We'll be over on
speaker, Spotify, iTunes, andhere on our YouTube channel. Dude,

(01:29:29):
I appreciate this. Yeah, Igot my brain spinning as I going to
this weekend. You know, youknow, I know a lot of folks
are going to go down the wootrain, and you know, I'm kind
of like breaking things down. Butyou know, we've really hit a lot
of points of knowing what's the geographyis, what your animals are, what

(01:29:49):
your your stuff. I'm looking forwardto looking at the mushroom books, you
know, I mean, next youare I mean I like to pay and
I say, you know, Imean, it's it's it's it's like the
spirit, the spirit messages and soforth. You do it in like an
old house where you've had four generationsof families that have been birth there,

(01:30:11):
they died, their screams, arguments, love making, all that stuff,
these energy you know. Yeah,I mean it's a yeah, absolutely do
we live in an amazing world?Like what are you doing? You up?

(01:30:32):
I had one it disappeared and thenI'm like, oh I hit the
wrong man. Just it's it's beenone of those states. The mothership,
the Mothership will be here for usall well, and we know that's going
to happen. So I mean allthose people that boo boo hooed all this
uf our stuff for how long andnow we're you know, now we're throwing

(01:30:54):
how many millions of dollars it?Oh yeah, it's here, you know,
right right, you know and soso so yeah, and you know,
if you have any questions about it, I'm sure pond Stars will be
selling something soon. As far assome alien spaceship something fun. I'm so
happy you said it not me thatway, because I know I wouldn't rust
that one up. Definitely corn staror something. Wow. Well, all

(01:31:20):
right, you know so many coolthings, you know, you know,
as far as collectibles, early colonialcoins, I mean, it's yeah,
I don't move. You know,you learn a lot, yes, so
so yeah anyway, but but thankyou both, and I deeply appreciate all
of your time. Thank you.No you want to hang out in a
second, we'll be right back withyou and we're just gonna found out.

(01:31:45):
Yeah, well we got come outin the last two days on those days
today, all right, thank you, Greggy. Appreciate you. I love
when he's on it. It's alwaysa great educational experience for all of us.
And you know now that I gothis book up here right uh,

(01:32:05):
because I you know, shot tomorrownight. You got your thing. There's
still some spots open for Christie's SpiritualGuide Working Group shop. Yeah, I'm
gonna be okay in Whitehall this weekendif you really want to come make fun
of me and see I actually talklike this all the time where I stumble
on myself and see where I cando. Unfortunately, I won't be there

(01:32:28):
to you know, egge them onand you know, pick on you and
start shit. But oh no,we yea, I got Joe, I
got I got everybody. So Igonna count on all those people to uh
yeah, help my back and youknow, take my place, phone out
there, so Matt, yes,we will send you a link for Christie's

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thing tomorrow. Um so again,guys, we're gonna be here on YouTube
and you can find a speaker Spotify, iTunes and I'm mumbling here so it's
let's my partner finish up here.So since yeah, you just yeah,
whatever, So thank you as alwaysfor joining us. Please remember, in

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the future for future shows we willonly be on YouTube. However, we
will be rejoining another network network andhopefully that will be all set up and
ready to go buy our next showin a couple of weeks, so please
keep your eyes on our pages andwe will advertise on Facebook as well so

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people know it's out there, butthe shows themselves will be on YouTube and
then this other with this other networklike and I have some big things in
the works individually as of right now, so keep your eyes open for all
those exciting things as well. Wehave some stuff coming up that we want
to share with you, so allright, As always, we can't do
this without you, and we appreciateevery one of you being here with us

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tonight and supporting our guess So untilnext time, stay safe and sample on and everybody

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