Where's My Sage?!! Episode #107 Bigfoot Mapping Project

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M okay. So welcome to Where'sMy Stage? I'm Mike with my wonderful

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co host, Christy London, andMike does it again forgets to start the
show. We've been talking for agood five minutes. We tried to attact
show. I'm just there. Yes, Max was on time and he was
early. He was ready to rockout. John was here, you know,

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Thank god. I looked over andsaid, is not picking on me
yet? So we do, Michael, we were doing so good too.
I'm like, where's everybody even?Got me doing the Italian laugh snort,

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laughing you suck? Yeah, yeah, at least everybody, you know,
we Oh my god, you knowI'm bragging about having a new setup.
I don't have my touch. Screamsand I look over and I'm like,
I told you, you said Ican't mess anything up. This is great.
I can't do this again. Isaid, wait, the night is

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about you being an it guy.No, he's not. Okay. At
least Larson went ten minutes without Hewas using stream yard before me. So
my green screams in and out.Oh so again, welcome our show,
Where's My Sage? We're doing great. We're coming from eight different eight different

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locations tonight. Uh yes, yeah, you can start blowing snart bubbles in
a minute. Yeah. Uh asthere was a test to see if we'd
stick around. We get it.Yeah, so we're back and again we're
back on Facebook after after after theirquests. We're coming to you from I

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because that's who we are on face, spook, YouTube and Twitter. Tonight
and tomorrow later tonight, I willbe putting everything up to spreaker, Spotify,

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iTunes. If you're listening to audioat least think he is. We'll
see. I have three other computersto the right of me something tonight.
It doesn't make me feel any better. It makes me feel worse. It's
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it just left over from the weekend, So again, please like share.
No I'm not, it's just meagain. The old channel or Gould shows
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term. Um So, so uh, Christy that we were talking about how

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great it was up and we've gota gas so we'll kind of cul quick
wraparound him that we had on acouple of months ago talking about his story
with the photographs and stuff. Hehas got a parafest coming up in on
March fourth, and Christy will bethere doing gallery readings and are you quite

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blows my mind, It truly does, and it's it's a huge compliment to
me. And it's an honor tobe able to be among this group.
So really looking forward to what everybodyis offering different things. Um, here
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such a great cause. And youknow, Timdo is such a great job
spreading the word and trying to supportthe animals and the shelters and take care
of them and rescue them, andum. You know he has a wonderful
story, you know about how hewas saved and how his first dog,
Murray, rescued him. That's Marieup there. So please, if you're
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to do at the beginning of March, come out and see us all there,
because it's it's just gonna be it'sgonna be a great time. It's
gonna be a fast weekend, butit'll be fun. Yes, I don't
have to get to work in acard for you this time for ten hours.
So well it'll be ten hours becausethis time I can go through Canada.
Wow, he's so rude, isn'the uncover you ever had? And

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I don't want to hear it.You got to listen to my music,
my music, Yeah, nobody wantsto listen to So we got a cool
guest tonight and we have Scott Tompkinsfrom the big Foot Mapping project. He

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has a Bachelor's in Science degree inGIS from the State University of New York
at Courtland, with over fifteen yearsof GIS field experience. Scott is well
versed in the perspectives and high valuequality of geographic data. So we're gonna
be bringing Scott on and I thinkthis is a great topic for all of
us when we get into the Bigfootthings. Scott, I give me a

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thumbs up. If you're ready togo. If you're tech, I'm sure
you're text working. How are youdoing tonight? And he's muted, so
he's learning from us. So yeah, I was muted. I was laughing
so hard for the last like justwatching everything unfold, realizing it's great.
It's great to be here. Actually, it's really funny. You already having

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a time, So yeah, younever a dull moment around here, ever,
try right. So it's nice tobe talking to two Hello New Yorkers.
I've got to say, I'm comingin from Houston, Texas, but
it's nice to be talking to twofolks from my home state. So treat

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for me, thank you. Andnow we actually have a whole state pretty
much representative we've got Hudson Valley,We've got Christie and the Falls, and
I'm stuck in the middle. Imean, we got awesome, awesome.
Yeah, So I have so manyquestions today. I'm ready. This is
what I'm going to do to night. Mental. I have my two soon

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because I've been thinking all day aboutthis. It's been so excited. He's
welcome to the comedy show. Yeah, oh, Scott, you have no
idea? Right, guys, thisis great and we don't We don't need
an alarm pack. I just needto hit the right buttons. New.

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So, let's get into what GISis for those foure tuning in right now,
and then let's figure out how yougot into the bankfoot topic. All
right, this is I'll start withGIS. So, GIS is geographic information
systems. And to put it incontext, do you probably use GIS every

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day? Your Google Maps, yourdoor dash, your E nine one one,
your weather is GIS. So anythingyou can tie to a location,
put information in context of a mapis GIS Geographic information systems. And then
you can also tie like demographics andgeographical statistics to the map. You can
do like I do. I justposted before the show a bunch of maps

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looking at wildlife corridors, you cantrack wildlife and conservation and as long as
you can put all of that informationagain in the context of location, that
is a geographic information system. Sothat's what gis is. It's used computer
and the computers and statistics and softwareto get information from geography in a nutshell.

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Yeah, so that's your everyday gig. So how did you get pulled
into the Bigfoot topic? I hadto take a deep breath because it's kind
of a long story. But sobecause of my job in the field,
I was doing geophysical ex exploration andwhat it brought me to a lot of

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places across the US, So likeLouisiana, Pennsylvania, Texas, you name
it, anywhere there's oil and gas. I was out doing seismic exploration in
the field, talking with people andmapping out those projects. So I would
get to learn the area where wewere looking and exploring, like the back
of my hand, down to thetopography, the individual land parcels that people

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owned, and as part of that, I had to talk to a lot
of landowners. So when you're outthere for some times, these projects took
two years, so I got toknow these people very well because I was
embedded into their community as as it'svery noticeable there's hundreds of guys, trucks,
helicopters flying around. People are goingto be interested in what's going on.

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So I was a project manager atthe time that I had to talk
to everyone. So if you can'ttell already, I like to talk.
So I got I got to geta lot of stories from these landowners.
I hate Christy just smiling, don'tyou worry. Yeah, you guys know

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me. I will agree. Igot to talk with a lot of these
landowners and get to know them prettywell. And um, when you get
to know people well and you're talkingabout their land, they start to open
up about the history of it andtheir family stories that are associated because they
like to share. They're proud oftheir land and they want to show you
areas on their property that you know, might be special or where things happen.

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And inevitably, inevitably, at somepoint we would get on the topic
of weird stuff that happened on theirproperty. Like you know, my uncle
so and so when we settled thisproperty in Oklahoma. He was a sooner.
He got here and he saw youknow this creature on our property right
over there, let me come takeyou. So we would jump in the

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side by side UTV and drive alot of property out in Oklahoma's very large
So we would drive six to eightmiles across this person's ranch and they would
take me to a ravine where thissupposed sighting happened right and tell me all
about it. And that happened inalmost every state that I worked in,

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from Pennsylvania all the way to WestVirginia, Oklahoma, Texas, and it
sparked in the back of my mind. It seeded an idea about crowdsourcing and
creating a database. This touches backon my profession adding a GIS database,
a GEO database of these sightings andputting them into a standardized format so that

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we could really do some analysis,you know, against a map. So
that's how I came up with theidea. And then Quarantine rolled around and
I finally had enough time in frontof a computer where I wasn't out in
the field working or anything like thatto actually build my ideas. So taught

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myself how to make an app thankyou YouTube and just rock and roll built
it and put it out there.And here we are so happy to be
here. Awesome, very cool,Yeah, very interesting. So I really
definitely want to go over the apphere in a second. But what was

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the kind of the most wacky thingyou heard out there? You know,
for you know, sighting or orexperience on a piece of let's see,
um, West Virginia. It's notit's not a big foot sighting. So
are you looking for a big foot, wacky sighting or just just crazy?

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I'm coming back around. You'll seeyou in a saying all right, uh,
West Virginia without a doubt. Weuh we shot seismic. I was
in Big Chimney, West Virginia,just outside of Charleston on the Kanna River.
It's spelled Knawa, but you sayKana for those West Virginians out there.
And we were in the mountains,a dirt road on the edge of

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the mountain, barely maintained, andthere was a beautiful piece of property,
green green grass, manicured lawn.And I went to permit, you know,
and speak to landon or knocked onthe door, and a gentleman came
around the corner wearing his best sundress and floppy hat and nothing else.

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So he was it was quite ofUh, I don't care what you wear,
but I just didn't know where toput my eyes right, So I
was just like, hi, sir, uh should I come back at a
different time? Like this is?This is bad? So I just I

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left the letter there and I said, you know what, when you're ready,
we'll be back. So um,that's that's probably one of the weirdest
things that jumps out to me.I haven't told that story in many years.
Honestly, it's funny. Well itcomes back into memory. Yeah,
oh cool, I had If youwant me to share a second one,
another one just popped in. Yeah, you'll never know. You never know

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who you're gonna run across. Um. Right, there was a landowner in
Oklahoma who uh wasn't pleased with someof the ruts that the equipment left,
and he ran over them in histractor and it was very bouncy. They
hadn't fixed them yet before he wentout to work in this field. So
he called me and I'm fortunately partof my job was dealing with people that

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were upset, right, um,And he called me very upset. So
I went out to visit with him, and he decided that telling me about
the bruises on his butt wasn't goodenough. But he didn't give me any
warning that he was going to droptrial in the middle of the conversation and

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show me the bruise on his Imean we were in his barn and next
to the tractor and he's telling mehe was like just turned around. I'm
like, I didn't know what hewas doing it boom bull moon in Oklahoma.
So you know, oh my god. Yeah, you can't meet this

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stuff up. You really can't.I wish I was. I wish I
should never happened. You're missing thesundress right about that? Right? Yeah?
I mean on a scale of sundress the full moon, I don't
really know. So we take sundressand full moon. Yeah, and then

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we got to go for the feat. Yeah. So okay, So now
you have all these crazy sightings andeverything. I keep it where I am
here with my lights. Um youdecide that Bigfoot is going to be your
topic to work with? Um isthe team is after my experience? Yeah?

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Yeah? Was it the uh somethingyou like, something you brought up
from your kids and got interested inthe bigfoot subject? Or did you say,
hey, this is a good thingto kind of practice your your skills
on using different formulas and stuff,a little bit of both. So I

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grew up in the nineties, right, I'm thirty five now thirty six now
actually December. So I grew upwatching Finding Bigfoot, right, and Monster
Quest and all of those shows onthe History Channel and Discovery Channel, and
grew up always interested in wildlife andhunting and being outdoors. So Bigfoot was

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always fascinating and always there in theback of my mind anyway, just because
it was such a big part ofmy childhood, like like you mentioned.
And the other part was, likeyou said, honing my skills on building
an app and building a map thattranslated a lot of information and put information
in front of people that you know, not everyone here is going to go

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out and find the least cost pathanalysis that Ezri did and incorporated in their
research. So my thought is,I can bring a lot of these geographic
information files for example, shape files, different tiff images, tile layers and
things and put them into the map, or put make maps and share them

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on Instagram for people who might noteven know they exist. So it's a
little bit of taking my skill setand applying it to something that's a bit
of a passion project, right,more than just for a paycheck. It's
it's actually just the creative outlet thatI hope to help people with and solve
a mystery, right find Bigfoot.Yeah, I mean that's how I got

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into doing the pink hair or theUV thing, was just say hey,
can I take my outside stuff?So I mean when we look at you
know, as they always talk aboutthe citizens scientist or something like that,
but I mean, you have abackground in this, and you know,
we work with a group of folks, Scott and I with that, I
have some other skill sets that helpus with some of that data and that

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are in the field quite a bit. And I just put a link in
for your website, uh bigfootmap dotcom. Um, And if it's all
right with you, I'd like toshare your website. If that's okay by
all means, please share screen here, please here? So what so so

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if we bring up your map here, here we go. You guys,
I already broke everything tonight, sowe should do good knee breaking stuff again,
don't talk too soon. So thisis I mean, you've been building

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this map. So where did youcollect a lot of this data for this
map. I have to give creditwhere credit is due. Um. There
is a research website that stopped postingin twenty sixteen called Man Johnny Bigfoot Database.
So what they did was aggregate alot of different historical bigfoot sightings from

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BFRRO to the Kentucky Kentucky Bigfoot ResearchOrganization, to Pennsylvania Bigfoot Research Organization,
etc. Into one source, andI hopefully am doing them honorably and carrying
the torch forward by appending the redsightings you see in the map, which

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are the crowdsourced bigfoot sightings that arecollected via the Bigfoot Mapping Project survey.
So there's two parts. The neonkind of glowing sightings that you see,
we're all contributed since I started theproject via the crowdsourcing survey, and then
everything else is from an aggregate historicaldatabase. That just what stopped right it.

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So I just picked up where Ithink they left off, and I
hope, like I said, umto, you know, continue respectfully for
and definitely give credit for the workthey did. I don't want to pretend
that that was all me. Ijust put it in a format that I
could analyze. I basically cleaned itup. That's that's it, um for

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for the historical database. So thesereally bright green ones, M what is
special about those? If somebody waslooking at it, actually your sorright?
No? No, I was justgonna say for folks tune in in now.
This is this Scott's website. Buthe has the app on iOS and

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Android. Correct, that's right,yep, And that's I put the link
in if you want to kind oftake a peek, and you know,
as we're doing it here, um, it's on there. I have the
the app on my phone and Iabsolutely love it from when we're out there,
and then I'm gonna let you explaina little more maybe where I should
go and put us there. Youwant to share from your side, we

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can do that as well. Sosure. I think the first thing you
asked was the symbology, right,so what does everything mean on the map?
And I think a lot of peoplemiss those buttons on the left if
you click the very top one,the little brown circle there the legend that
is probably the most aside from theinformation in the map, you really don't

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know anything until you hit the legend, because then you can decipher what all
the symbols mean. In a map, right, So that's one of the
most important things. And what thosekneon, big, big bright kneon symbols
mean is, for example, thegreen ones you see in the map,
those are reports that were submitted inthe last forty eight hours, so those
are very new reports. If thepoint is glowing orange, for example,

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that is a siting that actually occurredin the last seven days. And then
the blue reports just kind of fadeaway, they get colder, and those
are just reports that happened in thelast ten days. So you can without
having to click around. The ideais that you can jump into the map
and see the newest information first beingpulled to the surface, right by all

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these neon glowing Hey look at me, I'm a new sighting points. So
some of these actually I haven't right, this is a wild card. I
haven't read these yet. So sumare just minimal information. Some are very
thorough. So this one happened,it was submitted in the last two days,

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but it occurred June six, twentyone at ten thirty four am,
So that immediately puts the location intoa time scale, right, So now
in the data I can actually I'vedone some analysis like that where I can
split the data up and slice itby timeline too. Right, So now

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instead of looking at all of thesightings at once, we can split the
database out by sightings that happen onthe same day or in the same month,
in the same season, etc.So there's a lot of facets to
the way you can analyze data hereand Um, this one, I don't
know if I've read this yet.This is what I find interesting is the

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park? Did you see the seewhat the park is underneath the Yeah?
I think that's actually very interesting.It's a parallel to one of the most
the hottest spots in the US andWashington Gifford. Yeah, yeah. So
when do I get to Well,I'm reading the map right now, so

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I've got information already, things thatstand out to me, and I'm curious
to know if those areas on themap or something that you can validate.
Does that make sense? I thinkso, m one of your observations.
I'm curious. This is the funpart. I like to hear people from

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my big foot folks that tuned in. Christy is a medium. Um,
and uh, she freaks out Myresearch partner who hasn't popped in yet,
who is a field biologist, andthere have been many times that she will
describe right where we are without knowingwhere we are, without any trackers on.

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So yes, this is the firsttime for me that, yeah,
that I've been on the phone witha medium as well. So this is
this is this is really fun.Anything goes it's other guests have found out
on this show. You never knowwhat's gonna hear. The best part is
we're live too. That's great,yes, right, right, So I

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was especially drawn to and to me, it's a link Chicago, Detroit,
Buffalo or yeah. So but actuallyit's funny because I wrote down Buffalo,
but I wasn't looking Buffalo. Iwas looking at what was above Buffalo and
the initial part of the map.But it was almost like a link to
me, M, yeah, goback to the way you originally bring that

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part up Toronto. That was whatit was. But I wrote Buffalo,
so that's not a mistake, excuseme. But still Buffalo, So that's
Toronto. Like I feel like that'sa hot trail. That's I keep calling
it a link because I feel likeit's a link. I really get somewhere
less headphones for this um and thencloser to Chicago and Detroit. I saw

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something like a whirlpool. That spot'salso significant. I don't know if you
know anything about that. And thenthe number one hundred and then number eight
might have been the number one.Okay, I don't know. Okay,
I just didn't know. If Isaid Chicago, you know, Detroit,

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Toronto, Buffalo, you'd be like, oh, yeah, so cool things
are happening over here. That's that'sI just didn't know if you no,
No, there is one. Thereis one interesting thing. I think I
just posted actually, um literally justbefore the show, so I don't know
if you could have seen it,but I did a New York's big Foot
by Ways post and I kind oftouched on It's interesting you brought up Buffalo

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because there are byways that are connectedto big foot sightings in Buffalo, in
um near Buffalo, just surrounding Buffalo. Let me maybe I can send a
screenshot of it to our chat andMike you can bring it up with that
work, or I can send youthe link. Actually, if you you
can sharet from your side, ifyou want, we can do the link.
So I'll stop, yeah, side, let me share. I'm gonna

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shrink that one. Share now let'spresent. Okay, I'm going to present
my look. These guys hard atwork over here. Everyone. Yeah,
now, now, Max, youknow she says that, you know,
Christie freaked are out. Last year. I was in Florida. We were
on a trail and she literally describedthe area we were in straight out,

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and we got them right out.So so it's funny. I hadn't done
Michigan in this analysis yet, orIllinois, so I don't know about Detroit
or Chicago. But Buffalo is rightover here, right, and you can
see I can't zoom in very welldo I still have that open eye closed

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the MXD, but you can see. What I've looked for are these least
cost path connectors. And what theydo is they connect what's called a hub
right of the highest conservation value.What does that mean. It means it
can support the most animal population.It's the best habitat in other words.

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And what I've done is pulled outall of these connectors that are within a
half mile of a big foot sighting, and in New York a few of
those are right outside and around Buffalo. So um, that's one thing that
jumps to mind that I've worked onrecently in Buffalo. Is are those connectors?

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And um, I would love tocount up. I'm gonna do this
after the call because they're all individualsegments, so I know, I wonder
if there's like how many there are, I'm going to count them up.
I want to. I want toknow what the connection is to your number,
so I won't be able to sleepnow, thank you, my bad.

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I just really have this strong feelinglike that's that's a hot hot link
like that that strip. Those threeplaces are connected somehow, because I keep
seeing like back forth the almost likea worn like a pattern, you know,
like from going back and forth streamyard popped up for some reason,
I don't know why. Yeah,that's okay, how do I stop sharing?

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Here? You go? Cool?So that that is interesting because I
think when I'm looking at at leastalong like John's got down there with the
alleghenies, you have some some majortrail units that run right along and they'll
actually hit you know, the oldrailroad beds that run right along that that

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southern tier, and there's some otherstuff that runs pretty close parallel up there
in that Buffalo area. That's kindof interesting. I have all the information,
so now I'm inspired to do yetanother map of that whole whole area
too. And for all of youpeople out there going well, she's from
Buffalo, and she says, Iwill be the first to tell you how

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truly ignorant I am in a constancegeography, the history, different things like
that. So anything like this,No, I am completely I am totally
not the person that will ever knowor be able to tell you anything about
anything like this in geography for me, never was so no, no,

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no, no, I'm gonna digI'm gonna figure that out if you don't
mind it. Can't wait to seewhat you figure out. Yeah, I
would love it if you shared sharedexactly what you're thinking in some quick notes
so I can take them with meafter the show. Wonderful, because I'm
now I just won't be able tolet it go. It's gonna be your

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wife. I'm really sorry. Yeah, oh she did. She did this
the Hicheck one night. It wasI know, we get off at like
one in the morning or something.Yeah. Yeah, I had the pleasure
of talking to him a few monthsago. He's and I mean, imagine
talking to one of the monster quests, right, like, imagine getting to
talk to somebody who use the showthat you watch that inspired me. Now

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it was like a full circle moment. It is very cool. Great guys,
really really cool. So our chatif you have any questions, please
throw a comment in there. Yeah, take a look. Let's let's see
what we got for Scott. Soyou get this data and you have to
hand type all of it in orwhen the submissions come in, does that

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do it for you with the appthat automatically does it self populate the data
or you have to put everything inyourself. So the what user somebody logged
on or a witness would see inthe surveys. It looks like a form
you fill out and you can justyou know, type in, fill out,
yes, no questions, And I'vemade it hopefully pretty easy where you
can attach pictures and the audio andeverything that I would want to see collected

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from a siting that that information.But what that does is it feeds.
I've designed it so it feeds onthe back end right into a database,
so everything you put in is standardizedin that form, so it can go
stream right into the database. Idon't have to retype at all. It's
very efficient, so I can getstraight to as soon as you hit submit,
generally it pops up right in themap and I get a notification that
somebody put a sighting in. Sothis is your at least from the website.

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Yeah, that's it, And itseems pretty straightforward for somebody like me,
especially like so if anybody truly,like you know, just some random
person out with their kids for hikeor for whatever, has an experience,
it seems very easy to be ableto go on. Right, that's that's
the idea. It's it's designed specificallyto be for somebody to log in and

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be intuitive and not have to strugglewith an interface and know how to use
software. Might just get in thereand fill out the form. And that
the idea is collecting information in asimple way, but yet standardized so that
we can actually use it. Soa lot of one of the challenges that
a lot of researchers that I've talkedto have is, like you were saying,

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Mike, they have a lot ofanecdotal evidence that's in you know,
hard hard copy format, or it'sin a word document, or it's in
something that isn't immediately accessible in regardsto analysis. Right, you have to
be able to translate that into somethingthat's standardized. Standardization. We like to

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say, if you put crap in, you get crap out right. So
the idea of starting with something that'sstandardized is a big part of this study,
so that now we can take allof that information that people share in
their stories, which we still capture, but we pull out a lot of
the attributes that we can analyze likeheight, date, color, all of

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those things that you're scrolling through anddo some you know, geographic analysis on
that. But we still capture thosestories, so you can scroll through the
whole map and see both. It'sreally kind of a high but on the
analysis side, it's it's important forstandardization. I find it very interesting that
you have on here. The questionis whether or not um they could tell

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if it was male or female.Patty inspired that. Wow, who's Patty?
How many have you've done? Yeah? I could see Mike's like what
yeah? Uh? The Patterson Gimlinfootage the most listen. I've never heard

(35:29):
it describe like that. And ifyou, well, if you ever started
to simulate that, I was probablytuned me out. I got my bad.
Yeah. The night I had theBig the Boys on for Bigfoot Christie
was out, so you know,yeah, oh yeah, yeah. That's

(35:52):
one of the questions that Patty inspiredbecause in the video you can see clearly
anatomy that signifies I thought maybe itwas like, you know, pros undress.

(36:12):
But again I'm kind of go runningback to that. So, um.
The interesting thing I noticed though,going through your your your your log
in there and the data didn't noticesomething for weather. It did have a
location for weather, and that kindof thing did I did? I recently
I have to bring it back in. I recently rebuilt the whole the whole

(36:37):
map interface, um so that it'smuch faster, it streams better, it's
optimized for mobile, and one ofthe things that was a challenge. I
did have weather radar, and umwhat else did I have in there?
I think I still have wildfire boundariesand earthquake locations and things like that,
but I just have to add thoselayers back in. I did have weather

(36:59):
at one point, um, butit just needs to I just need to
find a good service that that canstream in an update and doesn't lag right.
It slows the thing. It slowsthe map down if you're streaming data.
Sota, gotcha. I'd rather cutit out than be slow for now.
No, no, no, Ijust um do you I've used app

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So it kind of just asking,you know, for the folks that are
tuning in stuff like that, thisis fun. Yeah. Um. You
know, when I put everything togetherfor our project, I really sat down
and said, I took from whenI learned from the guys from nestor when
I first went out the first timewith with with our folks up here in
the Northeast. I mean, theyhad weather radios and they had this and
you know, we you know,where was the moon, where were the

(37:44):
compass headings and and all that stuff. And when we did ours, that
was a big thing that I putin when I put Doug and I sat
down and we worked in the biologist, was what other data that we can
get? So do you have asample of something like that? Because,
like I said, I take itout in the field lot when I'm driving
around, and you know, Ithroughout the old Google map thing because it

(38:05):
you know, you put put apin down and you can't see the rest
of the map once you put somethingin there. M but do you have
a quick like cheat sheet on thereif somebody were gonna say, hey,
what questions should I really be askingmyself when I want to put this this
data together to the spread or sharewith it with everybody so we have that
data there? Did I miss?You know? I always tell everybody don't

(38:28):
just take one photo, take thirtyor forty photos. Or I tell folks
to three D scan and and godbless you know Matt Larson there with Central
Florida and and and we've really pusheda lot of that extra data stuff.
And that's just probably from hanging outwith Matt, because he runs out around
with the I don't have a glasshere, a gimbal and um, yeah

(38:51):
to uh, you know, takeeverything down, you know, so he's
definitely definitely get a film in andthen no, that's a great idea.
Um, I don't have a cheatsheet outside of what I collect in the
survey first, I think, butthat would that would be I'd be very
open to advice on that, becauseI mean, I'm not an investigator per
se. My My expertise is data. But if I could add something that

(39:14):
came from somebody who's an expert inthat field, and it would help advise
and make it available in the mapor and in the app as well.
I am very open to that.I think that's a great idea. Actually,
gimbal four stars my boys. I'llbe seeing him in a couple of
weeks. Um. So uh,it's it's just that that little extra little

(39:39):
tidbit that can help our friends,our biologists want our scientists say, well,
we don't get this data. No, you've got the mapping going.
Um. You know, I Iuse Access a lot for my stuff,
but not a lot of people wantto figure out how to build that.
And I just your app is somuch easier than somebody trying to build an

(40:00):
Excel document or an access document toget that data. And I mean a
good old fashioned notebook, you know, making sure they have those couple little
things there. Um, So I'mgonna let you go out here. You
got a thought there, and Ihad a thought. I'm sorry, I
don't mean to interrupt it, justspar you sparked a thought. One of

(40:21):
the things that you touched on,I think is like all of this environmental
data like moon phase, what wasthe weather? All of this is available
historically, and we can do somethingbasically called enriching the data, where you
now tie spatially all of this contextualdata from wherever you can find it to

(40:42):
this point, right, So youcan now we have in the sightings,
we have a day, we havea time, so we can go find
any of that chronological data or timedata and tie it to that point very
easily. Okay, So I'm gonnahit maxes and will come back up to

(41:05):
mats. Can we search certain parametersof an acre years or of an area
years months? Types of sightings?Is their data for? Uh? Yeah,
peri folvel Uh yeah, there's mythat's purple preferral boys. Well,

(41:27):
I was trying to get that NewEngland accident there two print and sounds.
This is why I have heard oftalk and do my grammar. You know,
throw that masters degree out the window, you know, uh in the
I'll add that to the map.Um. Like I said before, I'm
rebuilding the map on the website,which it's much easier to add new functionality

(41:50):
to the website. So I cancertainly add like a time slicer there where
you can query things based on timeand date max Um. As far as
peripheral data, I'm not sure whatyou mean by peripheral data. Do you
mean like data, contextual environmental data. I'll leave you time to answer that,

(42:13):
and then I'll move on to footprintsand things. Yes, so that's
one of the things that's in thelegend, the historical database and the newer
sighting is Yes, you can seeby color and symbology, whether it's a
footprint, a sighting, or anaudio like a howl or something like that
on the map, or it's Itry to make it very easy to visibly

(42:37):
digest what's on the map without havingto hit the legends. So hopefully it
helps, and I'm not quite sure. Hopefully we can come back to what
you meant by peripheral data. I'mcurious about that. Let's come back.
So definitely the map is cool,easy to use, it's cooler. He
reports about sighting a mind country andin Europe. That's from Avana. Um,

(43:00):
Mattie's asking can Scott cover what's neededto make make the website and how
do we manage quality control? Datais good enough? So Matt's doing a
whole thing in Florida right now.Um. He calls the discorridor, so
he's kind of I've seen it,yeah, I've seen the YouTube videos.

(43:21):
Um, yeah, I'm happy tocover what what it takes to make the
website. There's a lot of components. Um, first, I'll start with
the data. In order for qualitycontrol spatial data, you have to make
sure things are all in the correctprojection. So think of a projection as
like you have a curved globe andyou need to make it flat for the

(43:45):
screen. Right, So a projectionis making a curved area flat. And
basically if data is not in thecorrect projection for the whole context of the
map, it's going to show upin the wrong place because you've done the
wrong math. Right. So that'sthe first thing for quality control. It's
making sure everything for a web mapis converted to It's called WGS eighty four.

(44:07):
That's the spheroid that they model theglobe on w g S eighty four
and it's basically a web standard.Right. So then the actual submissions,
I read them. That's the bestway that I can. I mean,
aside from putting automatic keywords that triggeryou know, a filter or something like

(44:30):
that, reading them is the bestway for quality control. The other thing
that I quality control, which happensfrequently is people put their sighting. They
forget to update the location in thesurvey, so it'll show up in the
middle of Africa, for example,because that's the center of the map by
default in the survey. So Icapture people's email when they submit a siting.

(44:55):
So if there's there's some stragglers outthere, now everyone's going to go
look at those, right, butuh, I need to move them,
so I will email. I'll leavethem in Africa as like a quarantine zone,
right. And when I'll reach outto those people that have submitted a
siding that showed up in the wrongplace and ask for like a screenshot or

(45:15):
coordinate so I can I can goin and update it and put it where
it needs to be, and we'llgo back and forth to make sure it's
correct. And if I don't geta response, sadly, those those incorrect
locations do get taken out of thedatabase. I would love to keep them,
but it's it's not correct information technically, So UM, I just export

(45:37):
them and save them off to theside in hopes that those folks get back
to me. M. Yeah,a lot of quality control. And then
on the technical side, did youwant to know technical things? Um as
well? Yeah? What did hehave here? You know, I have
the sexual little thing? He said, What does it take to make the

(45:57):
website. Yeah, yeah, andhow do we sure? How do we
manage quality control? To make thewebsite wix? Uh? And ezra is
my my rgis online is the softwarethat I use. They have a subscription
software as a service and everything youneed is in rcs. Rgis online to

(46:21):
build a website combined with Wicks toget it out there on your your specific
url. Um. And to behonest, I didn't build websites before quarantine,
so um, I learned this allthrough YouTube, so it's very very
doable. All right. Uh,follow up, there's I meant, how
do we know our data is goodenough? Oh? Oh well, um,

(46:45):
that's kind of We'd have to lookat the data and and and and
go through it, which I'm happyto do with you. If you email
me my email. Anyone can emailme, It's Scott at bigfootmap dot com.
If you have questions about data umor how to standardize things, how
to clean it up, how tohow to get it into good enough shape

(47:05):
to start analysis, and maybe howto save things, put it in the
cloud, all those types of things. I can certainly answer those questions and
I'm happy to do it anything youneed. Just feel free to email me
and I'll go through. Even ifyou want to share your data set,
it can be confidential. I'll lookat it for you and give you advice
whatever you need. Happy to help. That's the other part of this project

(47:28):
is is being a resource for thecommunity, and we appreciate that. And
then the file up for Max wasdidn't see one heard one, had a
curious experience, So I think that'sgoing to be his periphery, you know
that, that kind of that stuff, And that'll definitely take me back around
to my other questions. Yeah,that's actually that's actually a great a great

(47:51):
segue into and a great question.So those kinds of sightings, um,
if they don't have attributes that wecan analyze, they are valuable in a
location perhaps. However, they willlikely fall out of the data set once
we get enough samples from like abig data science principle. So for example,

(48:14):
you get ten thousand sightings, andthere's going to be information and sightings
that are erroneous that make it throughor don't have all the information you need,
and they're going to fall on eitherend of the bell curve. But
what we're really going to get outof it when we get enough samples is
the meat, right, the answerscourse that coalesce and happen time and time

(48:35):
again, and we can see thetrends and patterns that are consistent in the
data. Yes, we might misssomething that is valid in one of those
offhand peripheral sightings, but if itdoesn't have information in a way that we
can understand it in the model thatwe're going to build, then it's going
to fall out. So I don'tthink peripheral information and reports are necessarily damaging,

(48:59):
unless we get overwhelmed by like atroll or something like that, But
that would be I would just revertback to an earlier version of the database
that would be identifiable. But hereand there, I don't think it's going
to skew the results of any analysiswe do. I'm not if it's on
a big enough scale. Right.On a small scale, yes, But
when we get to thousands and thousandsof reports and we start looking at it

(49:22):
that way, a handful of smallpercentage of results, reports like that won't
won't skew the results. I'm goingto get the lizes in a second.
Here, have you ever worked withlike last from swatch Metrics and kind of
looked at his data sets for someof the sightings to kind of take the

(49:43):
map pinpoints the sighting pinpoints, andthen kind of add what they've got for
some of the data collection. I'vebeen dying too, Honestly. I think
he took one of my maps anddid something with it a long time ago,
and we've talked, but we've nevercollaborated. And I think he is
a statistical genius from the things thathe puts out. So I think combining

(50:07):
his knowledge and the information I've collected, along with the GIS skills I've got,
I think we could come up withsomething very interesting. I just haven't
had the chance. So Wes,if you're listening, please shoot me an
email. I'll send him a linkas well. Please. Yeah, it
was. It was very interesting.Couple years back. We were talking to

(50:29):
Shane and those guys with the OPand literally driving around one night and Shane
was given us a whole thing abouttheir nests and yeah that We're sitting there
and I'm like, well, whatis New York got? And I took
our two bios just on our teamand next day on West's send and it
were like okay, well we gotin the northeast what they've got in there,

(50:51):
and you're like, wow, thatwas kind of funky that that data
set was just we probably would havemissed it if it wasn't for some of
the some of the fine points thathe had in some of the I believe
it the plant life that we werejust we were all missing, you know,
we're looking for something here and hereand what was the commonality? And
folks, when you're when you're helpingScott build his map, you're helping all

(51:15):
of us. I mean that deaddata is so important and I guess that'll
flow to the lizes. Yes,I love this question because I was biting
my tongue, so I didn't askthis too soon. You should be proud
of me. And I will letyou read it so I don't mess it
up because well, you know,before we read it, I just have

(51:35):
to say, does anybody else feellike the word peripheral is just as bad
as trying to say worse to tryyour sauce? Did you hear me struggle
with it? I was like,I tried really hard to sound smart.
You know that other word that youknow, there's just those words that we
struggled to pronounce. It doesn't bettertry Okay, sorry I had to get

(51:58):
that off my chest. Sorry,but I want to hear it with Max's
New England accent. That's what Iwant to hear as he's cutting his vegetables
in the middle of If you yeah, if you watch some of the Corridor,
go back and watch Max. Yeah, this guy is incredible. I
still I don't don't get a campaignjust for the food. So all right,

(52:22):
so this is what I always youknow, this is my side of
things too, So this is whatI always ask. So this once and
know, she says, high there, did you have a feel for how
many individuals we may be looking athere with the understanding that some feel there's
interdimensional travel possible for our bigfoot friends? Thank you? That's um. I

(52:45):
don't have a number, per se. But I did do an analysis that
starts to look into and understand thescale of the population of Bigfoot by connect
sightings that happen on the same daywith a line in measuring the distance between

(53:05):
them. So, for example,if there's two sightings that happen on the
same day and there's a mile inbetween them, was it the same big
foot? Was it a member ofthe same family? Etc. Or if
there's three hundred miles in between themon the same day, it's unlikely,
right, So that starts to getstarts to go towards the scale and the

(53:28):
spread of the population. But asfar as the number goes, I would
say, I really don't have enoughdata yet to really put put my opinion
out there. I'd just be makinga number up. But I have started
to think of ways to figure thatout. One of those ways was looking
at distance between sightings on the sameday to understand the coverage of you know,

(53:51):
the sightings on that maybe one oneone creature. So what is your
opinion on this? And I meanmaybe you kind of answered that already by
just what you just said. Youknow that you're going to you know,
obviously you're going to look into this, right, so something must have sparked

(54:13):
that with you, So to talka little bit about that, what with
your stance on this? This ismy opinion, my opinion on whether I
view a bigfoot as like an interdimensionalcreature or even yeah, yeah, we'll
go with an interdimensional Yeah. Iwouldn't say I'm opposed to anything in that
realm. However, what I haveseen in the data and this is my

(54:37):
background, right, So I haven'tbeen able to pull anything out of the
data that shows me that as asolid fact, right, yet I'm open
to it. However, I viewbigfoot as a flesh and blood creature,
just like a bear or a mountainlion or a human for that matter,

(54:58):
and I try to approach the analysisthat I do from verified wildlife study approaches
and demographic and other studies that havebeen done and produced results on flesh and
blood animals. So that's that's mytake for now until I see something different.

(55:21):
But so that's interesting that you saidit that way though, because interdimensional
can also mean that their flesh andblood, but are capable of jumping traveling,
right, much like a lot ofpeople I know remote viewing, travel

(55:42):
work, astral projection. Right.So do what do you think about that
with bigfoot? Because I'll be veryhonest with you, the thing that stumps
me the most with this, asfar as it being just like um,
a hardcore flesh and blood is thatI've never heard or seen anything physically solid,
tangible to convince me that it's definitelya big foot. I know,

(56:06):
I believe totally that there's something,but I feel like it's so much bigger,
and it's not just about Bigfoot,which is why I'm so intrigued by
it. But that's also because Iknow what I'm capable of and what other
people I know are capable of.So I feel like it's all possible.
If we can do it, whycan't another creature do it? In vice

(56:27):
versa, I like that question.It's not something I've really put a lot
of thought to via the project,right, and you're really not going to
sleep all right? I would saythat that I, you know, I
don't understand enough about that to behonest, to really even figure out a
way to incorporate that into what I'mdoing. I would need to learn more.

(56:52):
It might be something separate altogether,right, you might not be able
to incorporate it. Yeah, SoI don't want to get on here and
make claims that I'm just sticking withwhat I know and understand. So and
that's yeah, It's just it's veryinteresting to get everybody's perspective, you know,
when when we talk with them,to see like where they stand and

(57:13):
why they do, you know,because quite honestly, in my opinion,
all the different perspectives are very valid. They can't. They haven't been disproven
yet, right, exactly, Andnone of it's been proven truly, right.
So I mean that's that's the wholeidea of this. Like it's it
just keeps him going and you're sharpeningmy my uh my wit. I'm trying

(57:36):
to come up with and verbalize mythoughts quick enough. So this is a
good question. Yeah, I likethat. You ahead, Mike. Sorry,
she's no, no, no,no, I hate the mute.
So this is going to spin meback around the whole thing. Um.

(57:59):
Jay was in earlier. Uh heand his daughter had inciting something up in
Wisconsin recently. Uh Jay, Iheard my first scream with him. Uh
in Pennsylvania in the Chestnuts ships acouple of years back. Uh. Orbs
were seen ahead of time. Um, and you know, we get the
folks. And again you know,I'm a flush and blood camp. UM

(58:22):
my archaeology background. I want tobe. That's that's where I'm But there's
a lot of our biology the house. Um. But those those little things
that you know, the um,the orbs or the ball lightning or something

(58:43):
like that again in the in thedata set. And an interesting thing you
mentioned us you know earlier, isthat you were going around and doing these
different site surveys and some of themhad caves or gullies or something like that.
And how many of those parents normalor bigfoot sightings were happening around those

(59:04):
mines, those caves, that kindof stuff. And if you put a
separate subtitle, because you know thereare those groups that say, hey are
they underground, well they vanished.Well, we know certain parts of the
country, we've got cave systems,we've got underground waterways. I mean,
you know, you go back tothe whole lass and o Higgins where they

(59:25):
go. Hi, I went hidbehind the waterfall, and you know I've
had a chance of running an ROVup behind a waterfall. There are some
places that there's plenty of space tomove that. Um So again, are
those some of the other subsets thatcould be put in absolutely now to really

(59:45):
spin back all the way around whereI was going to go, and I
see there's some worcesters or comments,and we're gonna hit that definitely too.
Um See I started something. Yeah, well, because I started down the
big footpath, Christie pulled me intothe paranormal path and my two boys are

(01:00:07):
in here, and we talked aboutlay lines at one time and laying that
stuff over the top, and likehe said, you were getting a lot
of you know, stories about differentparanormal experiences. Have you thought about putting
a paranormal app together for that sideof the house, you know, where
we could maybe plot out you know, is there a bunch of haunted houses

(01:00:30):
in a line, you know,or certain times a year or something like
that. You know, I'm stillon our let's get the biological stuff down,
but having a partner that does alot more of the paranormal stuff and
a lot of more of the ghosthunting stuff, is that is that there?
You know? Or even going inthe when we look at the historical

(01:00:52):
site, like you know, theother night we were talking with Ryan,
and I know he's got some sightingsto go, you know, way back
eighteen hundreds and earlier. You know, if we take some of those old
you know, let's say the circummountains or the old villages that are though
something that you could put in asa separate layer in this gis and somebody

(01:01:14):
could say, hey, we knowthat there was a village. So when
I look at it, my areaand John's in my area too. If
we look at that the historical stuff. There's a historical Seneca tradition of a
group that kind of came out ofthe west that was a big, hairy
person. It's it's in the historyof the area with a couple other quote

(01:01:38):
unquote cryptids. But taking those historicalsightings or down along when I was looking
at your map down along the bottomhalf the Tioga River and going down in
the Pennsylvania that whole area just betweenthe Finger Lakes and the and the Catskills,
you have, you know, thefanitial giants that were down there,

(01:02:01):
but then you have this squad ofpeople who were taller. To take a
look at that. But then againwe've looked at other things where it's gone
to cannibalism as shown genetic changes inpeople. But those are little things that
you know, looking at some ofthe mapping stuff. So so if I

(01:02:22):
just made a big ror check,can I interject one thing because I don't
want it to be limited to likeyou mentioned earlier, like if there is
like um an area where they're hauntedhouses or haunted buildings or locations, it
doesn't always have to be a building. It can also be land. It

(01:02:43):
can also be um you know,an area, because there have been so
many times where he's just out doingit, like and obviously like Mike and
eleven an hour and a half away. So when he goes off and does
this big foot thing, I'm notalways with them. I only go on
occasion on these things. And Ieither gonna random text when you think about
this, and I get a verylike a one word or a number or

(01:03:06):
you know, and I could beshopping in Walmart or Wigmans or something like,
I just get this random you knowwhat I mean. Yeah, But
it's like a lot of times oreven not, I can just know he's
out there or they're all out there, and then something will come to me.
It's not always about a structure.A lot of times it can also
be about an area or land andthen they're pointing and pointed in that direction,

(01:03:31):
so you know, metaphysically speaking,it could be you know, and
if there was, for instance,you know, a village and you know,
an area at one point, whycouldn't they if they indeed are much
like us, right, why couldn'tthey be drawn to the energy. Even

(01:03:53):
if that doesn't if that town orthat village isn't there anymore, the energy,
it would still be either, Ithink if I'm taking that all incorrectly,
that was a lot. I kindof said a couple of things there.
Yeah, I didn't want it tobe just specific to a structure though.
That was my biggest point, youknow what I mean? Gettysburg,

(01:04:14):
right, Gettysburg. Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, but it doesn't
have to be where something necessarily happened. It could just be that nature in
the land and the energy in aplace is what caused. It doesn't have
to be centered around death like theridge. Yeah. I think one of
one of the things that jumps tomind immediately when you're talking about the energy

(01:04:39):
in an area is gravity and magneticdata. Right, So you can tie
like that's a lot of people canfeel. That's that's true, no matter,
it's a fact. People can feelthe difference between different magnetism in an
area, and we have tools andum ways of analyzing that, recording it,

(01:05:00):
and actually putting it on a map. Right. So, a few
months ago I did a map thattries to find patterns in gravity and magnetic
data in relation to bigfoot sightings.Right, what is it? Is there
something that does center those sightings thatwe can't necessarily see physically, which would

(01:05:21):
be the magnetics or the gravity signaturebeneath the surface of the Earth. So
that goes along with Karst geography,right, and cave systems. All of
all these things are really tied togetherphysically and to your point, metaphysically,
they're they're My way of interpreting thatwould be to look at the magnetic data

(01:05:44):
and gravity data, because I thinka lot of people sometimes attribute metaphysical to
those the things that are a resultof the different magnetic signature in that area.
So, but I think I don'twant to leave out your question,
Mike, as far as capturing regardlessof what I think, right, do

(01:06:10):
can the platform capture that information ina way that helps people draw their own
conclusions in an unbiased way, puttingthat data on the map, categorizing it
as this is what I saw whileI was there, this is what I
felt, this was strange, Here'swhat happened, Here's the history of the
area. So kind of like someanthropology, all of that is possible.

(01:06:31):
I haven't thought about doing it asa layer or part of this app,
but I think it would be interestingto see and kind of make like he
said, a partner partner site thatwhere you could marry the data sets,
keep them separate for analysis purposes,but then marry the data sets when as
needed on different analysis and put themon the same map as two different services.

(01:06:55):
Sure, I think that's a reallyinteresting idea. I tend not to
think about metaphysical things because I havea science background. I work at a
science company, and that's just notthat's just not the way I approach approach
the world. So that hasn't hasn'toccurred to me. I don't try to
convert. I just try to openup, expand the aff I'm just because

(01:07:20):
we do such I mean, areour topics. You know, we we
do energy healing and uh, youknow parent paranormal, the bigfoot stuff,
survival got you know, our nakedor free folks they join us. Um.
So it's always interesting kind of lookat that data and even taking the
biological aspector or you looking at themind stuff. You know, you're looking

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for your particular items for work,but you know, is there salt nearby?
Is there other minerals that would youknow if we look at you know,
the African elephant, they're going toa certain area for certain minerals at
certain times or even our salt looksfor their deer, you know, having
some of that extra little data inthere to what's drawing you know, the

(01:08:03):
the animals there. And you know, I think you mentioned recently, you
know, trying to talk to someof us about even some of the other
sightings. You know how many bigcasts we see or that you know what
supporting those items, you know thosethings there. Um, So again I
love that you've got the data inhere. Like I said, I've been

(01:08:24):
working on trying to build up anaccess thing, but not everybody runs access.
So having your app and haven't sendanybody you with one central database is
awesome. And again West with hisyou know his database. Um, we
do have a couple more questions ifyou have a minute or two with us.
I have all night. Well mywife already expects me to be here,

(01:08:45):
and you know I'm going nocturnal,so so I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna see you till tomorrow. AndI was like, probably not. It's
a very understandingly you up there,you know, And I and I talked
about you know, Doug's here totalk about the ridge. And again there's
another interesting area. You know,if if you guys get a chance at

(01:09:10):
that time. Uh, yeah,down and then that Chestnut Ridge area,
and it is just I mean,you've got everything from Washington the UFOs,
you just everything's in between. Welland now we've got books on Washington with
UFOs. But that's he didn't seethem at Where was that? It wasn't
it? Well he saw him there, then they were that. Yeah,

(01:09:33):
we sat through that presentation with theguy in Pennsylvania. There's a book out
there, Presidents and UFOs or somethinglike that. But yeah, supposedly there's
a whole battalion. They go acertain way if I remember the story,
and they see somebody on a whitestallion and it's him, and then supposedly
he shows up again in front ofI can't remember, was Eisenhower or uh,

(01:09:57):
somebody in that time frame on acarrier and and then t season Indian
Chief and that was supposedly shot at. Yeah, it's it. Just know
if you remember the title of thatbook, I'd love to read it.
Yeah, I'll look, I gottafind it. It's but there's still I
mean, there, there we go. We take the subject of UFOs.
For years that was taboo, andnow you can't turn on the news and

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there's another report. Ye yep,And well, so you know, Melissa
said, make it simple, it'swarsher sister Sauce. Thanks, I'll remember
that it's here. And then hethe Boston and there we so love it.

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It's the Nancy stuff. Uh,let's see and um and then of
course because you said TikTok, wegot to go to tiki tick meters.
You know, I don't know,you know, Christie uses and we occasionally
use the E m app stuff tokind of look for energy and that kind
of stuff. But I don't thinkanybody's really putting any of those reports into

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you with using EMA or anything likethat when they're out there Geiger counters,
you know, to go along withtheir sightings. Not that I haven't taken
a Geiger counter with me on aon a trip. But that was an
interesting afternoon because nowhere near the newplant did we get any ticks. Put

(01:11:24):
in three or four other areas thathave spiritual h stuff, we got some
pretty good energy returns. You know, I think the Canadian shields pretty radioactive
if I remember correctly, captured alot of radioactivity in the granite there.
Yeah, so yeah, believe there'swhole spin with the granite and you know,

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well pilates thing Dan ladies h.Let's see. Penny wants to know
what would you do if you cameface to face with big foot? Actually,
I can tell you from experience,so I knew. I don't bring
it up unless I'm asked, right, Oh, good question. I don't

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want to be one of those guys. It's you know, that's the first
thing I owe. I don't wantto always bring it up, but if
somebody does ask me, I willshare it. And it's I can't definitively
say it was a big foot,but I've never been, so I if
you can't tell from behind me,I I'd like to hunt and fish and

(01:12:30):
um, I'm I'm constantly in theoutdoors. I mean from Colorado to New
York to Texas and uh, there'snot much that I'm not familiar with as
far as wildbyfe right in general,um, and their behavior there sounds,
what they look like when they're active, things like that. So I was

(01:12:50):
in Seely, Texas and the sightingis in my map. Um you can
find it. I actually did alink to a podcast so you can listen
to the story. But you canhave a firsthand here. I was walking
bow season. It was October,and I was walking out after it was

(01:13:10):
dusk. Right, it's too darkto shoot, and they're shooting time.
It's with a bow anyway, you'renot Once it's too dark, you're not
going to be accurate enough to takean ethical shot. So I was walking
out and I was coming out ofa river bottom. It's like a pass
through property, and a lot ofdeer travel along the river bottom as a
corridor. So I was walking out. I went through the barb wire fence

(01:13:33):
and the river bottoms on my leftand about a two hundred acre pastures on
my right and in front of me. At this point as I'm walking out,
my truck's probably about one hundred yardsfrom me where I accessed the river
bottom. So I'm walking and thebarbire fences on my left shoulder, and
it's that kind of blue gray nightright where you can still make out a

(01:13:56):
silhouette well enough, but you couldn'tmake out distinctive feet, right. So
I'm walking and I'm just kind oflike you know, aloof right, not
really thinking much other than I needto be quiet on my way out,
and in front of me, justoff my left shoulder. I look over
about thirty yards away and there isa black shadow blob behind a scrub scrub

(01:14:25):
bush. Right. Everything there issharp, right, So I don't typically
go running through the bush anyway,right, because you'll get cactus or prickers
or something right, So, andnot to mention snakes that are out here.
So I was just thinking, it'sprobably a hog. I'll stand here.
I'll let it go on its waybecause it's quite large like this some
of the I just harvested one afew weeks ago that was like three hundred

(01:14:48):
pounds, right, So I'm thinkingI don't want to tangle with this in
the dark and have to. Ican't outrun it to my truck, so
I'll just wait. It doesn't seeme, I won't start. It's probably
the worst thing you can do.So I'm just like, all right,
oh, go on its way,standing there, and it doesn't really move,
so I'm like, all right,let's go. It's getting dark.

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I want to go home. Haddidn't get a deer. So it stands
up and at this point my wholelike, I mean, it stood up
and it was football player with padson wide and the bush and grass was
at its navel right, like,this is grass that's fairly tall on me.

(01:15:32):
It's like, I'm not a tallguy, but it's like four ft
three to four feet tall this grassin this field. So deer disappear in
it, right, and it standsup. And this is where I can
answer your question. What would Ido if I came face to face?
I would stand there and literally Isaid, whoa, like just like that,

(01:15:54):
whoa. That's so, I mean, talk about all the all the
preparation hunting like com cool collected goit went out the window because I've suddenly
the buffering stopped right, and Irealized what I was looking at. I
just was in awe, like whoa. So I said that audibly. It
squatted back down. It didn't movelike it must have thought like, I

(01:16:16):
don't know, maybe if it can'tsee me, it's that guy over there
can't see me if I squat backedout, so if what felt like an
eternity goes by, and I finallygo, I literally you might have heard
the story before, Mike, whichfly you're laughing, but I said,
I say out loud again, Igo, I can see you, just
like that, And it stood backup, and it stood up yep,

(01:16:45):
and bolted through just a thicket fullof I later went on in the daylight
to look at where it ran through, and there's no way. I mean,
it's a wall of bramble and itjust broke through it. And there's
no way a person at night withouta head lamp on could run through at
that speed without falling. And fromthat moment, I mean, I called

(01:17:06):
my wife. I called my mom, like, you're never gonna believe what
I saw. A good boy,right right. I hope she watches this
on a share with her. Butbut I mean, that's that's that is
my, that is my I havea earlier sitting when I was I wouldn't
even say this sighting because I wasso young and um in New York,

(01:17:29):
actually in Beacon. But that ismy most definitive moment of not understanding what
was going on and really tying itto Bigfoot. And of course it was
after I started the project, sohere I am. I'm like, great,
you know, people are gonna belike, sure, the big Foot
mapping guy had a sighting, right, like, nobody's gonna believe me.
I wish somebody was with me,but I will tell you, it was

(01:17:55):
unexplainable. Where I hunt is onthe rancher is it's eleven thousand acre ranch.
There is nobody there, There wasno cars, there's no no paths
in and out there. The onlyaccess is the way I get in.
It's just it's just unexplainable. Sowhat did it look like? It sound

(01:18:17):
like when it took off running,It was definitely so Like I said,
it was hard to make out details, but you could clearly clearly see a
silhouette of what I was describing before, a very very wide figure and almost
no neck when it stood up,and I could tell it turned around and

(01:18:40):
bolted, and I couldn't see clearlythe lower part of its body, but
the top. It wasn't moving likeviolently like a person who would need to
run through that. It was justit was smooth. Yeah, it was
just so smooth and monstrous loud stepsjust that's the adrenaline, right. The

(01:19:05):
adrenaline does affect your memory, right, So to me what sounded beyond loud
could have been just like a nota traumatic experience. But that's how I
remember it, right, And butclearly, clearly, clearly you could hear
like a person would be sound running, and it didn't sound like a deer

(01:19:28):
would sound like they run. Imean, it was clearly different. Having
heard both so and hogs when theyrun, not that a hog would stand
on its hind legs. And there'sno bear where I hunt, and if
there are, it's very rare.I mean, it would be an event
if there was a bear in seally, it's just not heard of. Yeah,
and hogs are loud, you knowit's a hog. They roar,

(01:19:51):
they grunt, they squealed, youknow, and generally there's more than one
in this area. So I mean, running through the mental list stuff what
it could be, it's just it'sit's unexplainable, and that I wish I
could definitively say I saw one hundredpercent it was big foot. But there's
no in my mind, there's noother action. If I had to guess

(01:20:18):
quite tall six and a half toseven and a half feet tall easily.
The bush it was next to slashbehind was uh thin but tall. So
I mean, yeah, if Ihad to, if I had to,
now I'm going to go measure becauseI want to know how tall that bush
is. So, but around there, it was definitely told to me it

(01:20:40):
was intimidating, Like if it wasa person that big, there was no
way I would have I probably wouldhave had the same reaction, like I
wouldn't have challenged that person. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, Wow,
that's a cool story. It's I'mquite lucky, I think. And

(01:21:01):
every time I still go hunt there, and believe it or not, I
still feel comfortable enough to sleep upagainst a tree, So I don't feel
I didn't feel threatened or anything likethat. I just was surprised more than
anything. And I've been through everysquare inch I found. I was just
out there this weekend looking along theriver bottom because we had so much flooding

(01:21:21):
and I knew there'd be a lotof fresh, fresh wet sand. I
was looking for footprints and things,and I found freshwater clams being the size
of my hand. Right. Sothere's I have a picture. I'll send
you guys the picture. It's unrealthe size of this freshwater clam shell that's
there. And there's bald eagles thatnest nearby, so that's clearly an abundant

(01:21:44):
area that can support wildlife. It'sit's crazy. I love that area.
It's one of my favorite places.I thought I had a really good picture.
I gotta use as size compersion fora wild boar. But everything is
not appropriate without the all the yeahwarnings these days and everything from her.
I got it one a couple ofyears ago with a with a knife the

(01:22:05):
Russian border, So yeah, gettingclose with all thost things. Yeah,
it's it's not a lot of yeahand usually can I've walked up to them
too with a bow and stalked themand you can't. This this wasn't.
Yeah, it was different if you'resaying you're you're standing up and um,
you know, definitely we can seeit in your face and everything like that.

(01:22:27):
You know, we get Joe definitelybelieves you. You know. And
we've had Joe out and been outto his location where he had a sighting.
There's our man Fred, what's topbrother, We've been talking about you
and your organs. So um yes, John, my dog a Vita is

(01:22:48):
moving around again after her knee surgery. She's run. She's out moving with
the shepherd tonight. So yes,they're back making lots of noise. Um
footing with Mike Casey. I justsadly had a boat. I just want
to make now he made it back, I missed so much, but yep,
you can rewatch it. Go toour YouTube channels either Where's my Stage

(01:23:11):
or Christie's or tactual Bigfoot Research andhe catch the video or again the speaker
Spotify iTunes for the replay and itsays Scott helped me big time around the
d Duck Springs and Oregon with hismap. So yeah, that's I'm glad
you brought that up. If youguys outside of the web map and app,
if there are researchers that are goingto a specific area, I'm always

(01:23:34):
happy to make maps that are georeference PDFs, for example, so you
don't need signal internet to put yourselfin the map. Through a Venza Maps.
It's a free app you can download. I can send you a geo
reference PDF and you can use itin the field even if you don't have
internet, so you can. I'malways happy to do that. It's actually

(01:23:58):
a lot of fun. Just don'tflood me all at once, because I'd
like to concentrate. But I'll letyou know if I'm overwhelmed. But I
am more than happy to supply fieldmaps and things like that for research trips
and expeditions, all right, yougot another Scott is the coolest and he
just sent you a message, soum there, Yeah, there's just so

(01:24:24):
much. And Jay says, youknow, yes, the Orbs and the
Red Eyes and the Kettle Marine Crazy, Yes, I've got Wisconsin and get
out here with you brother, andand the Kettle You know, they've got
a lot of stuff. But thenyou throw another crypto on top of that,
and you know how many folks youknow in our community are reaching out
with some of the other cryptos thatthey're seeing red alongside those those bigfoot things.

(01:24:47):
You said you were in West Virginia, so you've got them off band
stuff, You've got all that.You know, it does that play sometimes
over the top of things, andI realize that, you know, we're
an hour and a half in,but you know, oh yeah, we're
on that track now. So oneof the things, another cryptod that has
come up that I didn't even knowabout until I started this project was dog

(01:25:10):
Man. I didn't know not facemost of the time, and so it's
hard not to be biased. Butmost of the time I'm like, it's
big Foot, you know what Imean, Like, yeah, I struggle
with that to remain unbiased. Butwell, The interesting thing is, you
know, we just got done talkingabout the wild pigs and I was going

(01:25:31):
through some I redo the computer,so I got some of my higher drives
out and I'm looking at the Russianboard that we have and one of my
buddies got when it was you know, a couple hundred pounds. It was
a big monster. It took abunch of us to get out. But
when you look at that, youknow, it's it has that werewolf nast

(01:25:51):
does looking, you know, andit just if it was treeing something or
moving along, you would really go, what is that? I mean,
that's that's the thing. And youknow, and now even in New York,
you know, we have two confirmedwolf sightings, you know that they've

(01:26:11):
talked about, so you know what'scoming back and and I think, you
know, you have any ability tohave the map, and you know,
even if there's other wildlife, areyou asking for that? Like you know,
we heard coyotes or something like that. And yeah, I saw there's
a couple of the little spots inthere for extra data points. And you
know we're you know, we havesome friends working on some other animal projects

(01:26:34):
that would be kind of interesting.You know, I run five or six
apps for birds because I want toknow what birds are in the area.
Um, because are we hearing abar owl? Are we hearing a crane?
Are we hearing something else that that'sa whole other podcast. I love
birds. I wanted to be anornithologist before I decided to do GIS.
So yeah, Um, I lovebirds so well we could we could save

(01:26:58):
that for a whole nother Yeah.We've got that mutual friend that I am
going to be grabbing soon to comeon cool. So yeah, yeah,
I think you touched on an interestingpoint and it's come up a few times
like, um, just recently theblack cat report. Gil asked me,
Um, what animals are coming backthat previously had to be people that had

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sightings of them had to virtually defendtheir sighting And there there their report,
right, And one of them Imentioned was the wolf in New York recently
where they had the DNA sample thatwas gray wolf. Is that right?
Yeah? And then the other one, um, the giant squid they mentioned.
We talked about mountain guerrillas which werediscovered in the nineteen hundreds, but

(01:27:50):
they were always there was always lowerabout them. Um, So there's so
many species that really like the Tasmaniantigers, another one that could be out
there that are documented if you will, that have gone extinct according to modern
science. But then we get reportslike he just brought up and everything goes

(01:28:12):
out the window, right, becausenow it's all changed. So it only
takes one report, It only takesone verified test, right, like DNA
test or one really really not blobsquatch picture. Right. So like Forrest
constantly does, I don't know howForest Galante does, but I mean,
yeah, I would love to talkto him about how he figures out how

(01:28:34):
to find that one turtle on theisland that's been extinct for three hundred years,
but he found the only one outof two right that are alive.
Yeah, he's got a talent orhow he picks a trail camera that man
or he has a gift and he'stipped into his intuition. Just say he's

(01:28:54):
friends with He's friends with Aaron thatwe did the live from in Florida.
They were all naked and fraid,so friends with them a lot. We've
interviewed quite a few folks from Nakedand the Show, and he was one
of those original naked and free guys. But he is so good. They're
like, no, you don't makegood TV kind of guys. Because he
showed up with a scuba mass solike literally started fire purifiers, water.

(01:29:16):
He like fed the crew. Youknow I'm having you're telling me, you
know, running through the cactus.I was doing a film shoot with Dave
West, who's there, their photographer, and he's like, yeah, I'm
running the all the mirrored reflective stuffis usually I'm backing up through every cactus
because I antenuents in front of me. Yeah, but I got to work

(01:29:39):
a piece of river that he filmedhis his Wolf episode is Florida Wolf episode
on and I'm on there and Ididn't see half the stuff that he was
just reaching into the Oh here's thisturtle, here's this snake. Yeah,
that ahead of time. And Aaron, who's a guy, is just like
on Naked and Free, Well,you're not going to see all this stuff

(01:30:00):
us. You're down here all thetime. And he's like, oh,
you gotta go out around that bush? Well why or Arson will tell you.
I'll run right through a bush andhe's like, hey, you know
there's like rattlesnakes and you're not wearingboots and yeah, god, but yeah,
but I can vouch to the factthat when this guy's out in the
woods, he's like tunnel vision,zoom into zone, like I go into

(01:30:27):
mine, and he's like, gone, I'm like, Okay, don't worry
about me. It's so easy.It's so in the wood. I mean,
it's a it's a skill, Ithink. And that's another thing that
I mean, it's interesting you broughtup, but it's a skill like forest
galant he has. That's the skillof being situationally aware. I think you
can develop that, you can workon it, and especially in the wilderness.

(01:30:50):
I mean, everything wants to hidefrom you, right, so you
have to be able and be skilledto pick it out and know where it's
going to be. You know,it's behaved, I know what you're doing.
And I mean recently, I wasjust up in Colorado in the San
Juan Mountains elk hunting, and youwould think that it would be really easy

(01:31:12):
to find an elk, right.They're giant, they're huge, and they
run in herds generally, right,And I think I saw one. We
saw one the group I was withbefore the blizzard rolled in, but that
was over the period of three orfour days, right, So I just
think that's the other thing that itgoes hand in hand with. You can

(01:31:34):
still have all of the data likeI have in the map here, you
can constantly have not you can haveit all on paper, but it's developing
that skill in the field that reallycompliments that. And I think that's a
really good thing to bring up becauseyou're not going to find all the answers
just on your screen. Here.This is part of it, but I
think the big part of it isthe field research as well ground truthing.

(01:31:57):
It yeah, she jokes, butthis thermal camera is like mounted to my
head pretty much wherever I go.And uh, but it saved us from
walking into some bears in New Yorkjust recently. Nice we're up filming.
Alex was doing beyond the trail ofyou know, up in Whitehall, and

(01:32:18):
I'm like, hey, there's somethingto the right, and he yeah,
and here's a bear, you know, moving right along. And I have
family not far from there and shooshing, believe it or not, tiny go
to Ushaks and shooting and you'll seea small town store never even heard of
ary store? Ye? Why whyU s h A K? S u
shacks. I don't even know ifit's still open on the bat and Kill

(01:32:40):
River. Yeah, okay, wellnext time I go chasing moose again and
Christie we got lost never mind andagain mapping is so important folks, and
learn how to use your map.We were there in the weekend map yes,
paper maps. Garment went down thatweekend, so we had no GPS,
we had no cell phone in mypaper map was buried in the bottom

(01:33:02):
of my jeep. So we spenttwo hours of hell in the car that
would have been Yes, river didn'tsee any moose, so awesome. Yes,
let's see so much fun John,as we do not have giants squid
in New York. No, John, I've seen some things that's hysterical because

(01:33:30):
I was an rob operates on ROVoperator that. Yeah, there's been surprised.
There's been whales in the New YorkHarbor, up the Hudson River,
there's been whales. Well, there'sthere's there's been sharks, you know,
halfway down through you know, youget the greenlands and stuff. But you
know, John's really pushing here.You know, let's cross the streams and
give Scott to read. Well,it's funny that he keeps saying that,

(01:33:50):
because I don't know if anybody noticed. I have been taking notes for like
at least forty five minutes, soI hit a gentleman here with me for
a while, a gentleman. ButI didn't want to interrupt the discussion,
so I just kept taking notes.Are you interested? And oh, you

(01:34:16):
can't start like and say that andthen not? How do you say no
to that? And of course Ithink all it seems like a few people
in chat are interested as well,Scott run Is this the Is this the
time when I pretend to be frozen? Yeah? Oh, I forgot John.
We do have to we have totalk to John about ground mapping for

(01:34:39):
mine rescue. Yeah, we're gonnatalk about that, dude. I mean,
well, I just transitioned us toknow, right, Hey, John,
I am very interested in slogical data, right, that's cave data,
speleological. It's very hard to get. They're very protective of it. And
when you ask the groups for someof their data and you tell them it's

(01:35:02):
for bigfoot research, they don't necessarilyshare it. So if you have access
that, they they don't take itseriously the request, right they Unfortunately,
even if I point them at thewebsite and show them maps and made that
they deny the request generally because theythey're one of the things that they're worried.
I'm going to publicize it in away that people can can access.

(01:35:26):
And it's dangerous right to know wheresome caves are. So I think I
understand their reasoning for safety, butI mean that's beside the point. I
would obviously respect a responsible way topresent the data. But yeah, but
I can understand. So, yeah, speleological data is on my list of
wish list hard to get, hardto get. Oh, yes, hey,

(01:35:49):
Joe, I just want to sayhello, just as it work.
So they're getting some cool stuff.They just did some really cool things with
some thermal out of West Virginia,Steve did with Joe Purdue and Jesse and
Joe from Hull Bunt were down there. If you guys get a chance to
take a look at that. Thatwas on Sunday night, there's something upright
moving that was. It's it's horrorat mean, that's really it is probably

(01:36:12):
some of the best thermal I've seen, as long as it's not in the
sundress. Yes, before Christie hitsthat though, you know, that's kind
of almost like a conspiracy. Youknow, we joke about the conspiracy stuff.
But you mentioned having relatives and youknow, law enforcement and stuff like
that. Did you get the standardcorporate answer from that particular agency that they

(01:36:34):
released one big foot and one mountainlion together and one big foot and one
wolf together, by any chance,I'm not as you ever asked. Do
you ever ask him what their stancethat agency stance was on bigfoot? Uh,
you'll be interested, and he's gonnakill me, but a few I
never got an official answer. However, I can say that every new article

(01:36:56):
that comes out, I have multiplefamily members that are in that agency.
Them and their friends send me thelink to the newest big foot settings.
So I don't know what that says, whether they're just send it to me
or not, but i'd take itto me, and they're interested at the
very least. So yeah, Idon't think i'd get an official answer from
them necessarily. And they've got ahistoric On a serious note, they've got

(01:37:19):
a they're historically known for not acknowledginglike mountain mines. There's been in New
York State. Wolves. It isa great example. Even though we now
know that there's at least two examples, so I don't think i'd get the
answer I'd be looking for anyway fromthem. But it is fun to kind

(01:37:40):
of tease them from the other sideof the fence, you know what I
mean? Yeah, I just Iasked once and that was the first response,
and then two years later from twoother individuals, got the exact same
response. So yeah, I'm gonnaask now. Now I'm gonna ask officially
now and see what thee what theresponse is. And I see London's working
that thought. So Christine, handover a few nothing, Um, I

(01:38:13):
have two here now. I ama little nervous, honestly, me too.
Right, that's not good. That'snot too good to hear that from
without without going this is HD.Can you see the sweat? Oh whatever?

(01:38:35):
Get out of here, all right, Um, let me just write
this down, okay. So thefirst gentleman who came in earlier, like

(01:39:09):
halfway through the show, he's taller, and I would say he's leaner.
He only showed me what he wantedme to see of himself, but I

(01:39:30):
could see a dark silhouette of him, so he was there. So first
he was like over here on theother side of the room. Then he
was over here, and then hewas over here, like he just kept
moving almost like I guess I didn'treally think about it. But the more
I'm doing this, the more Ifeel like he was surveying and observing more

(01:39:50):
than anything. Taking it all inis what I am kind of hearing.
So he let me see like alittle bit of his hair. I feel
like he was good looking, Likewhen I looked at him, he was
easy on the ice. He wasnice to look at. He also showed

(01:40:12):
me his pants. His pants werepleated, and they're very much like what
my my one grandfather used to wearfrom Like I feel like it's the nineteen
thirties or forties, they would wearthose pants. They were a little you
know, poofier, right. Um. And at one point he kind of
just leaned like he was leaning upagainst the wall and he you know,

(01:40:33):
crossed one foot over the other andhe was just standing there. But he
has a pipe and the pipe wassmoking. And then eventually, um,
eventually he started doing like a littlebit later, he started like taking the
pipe like, you know, likebest He's like I'll put it back in

(01:40:56):
his mouth like like yeah, right, almost like he was gesturing, Um,
he wasn't talking to me at all. In the way that he comes
through tells me that he was unableto communicate either effectively or at all the

(01:41:18):
time he passed. I do feellike this is a grandfather. It could
be a great grandfather, but Ifeel like it's more grandfather. I also
get a strong connection to the mother, so I feel like he was probably
on the maternal side, or ifthat's not the case, he was he
thought of your mother more like adaughter. If he is in fact your
father's just at this point, becauseI have more, are you able to

(01:41:41):
validate any of this at all,even if it's not yours? Oh no,
my grandfather was tole and lean andit's I'll share a story after you
just made me remember. But yeah, yeah, because I have more,
so I don't want you to tellme anything else until I but thank you.
So this is your grandfather I'm describingsound it sounds similar? Yeah,

(01:42:02):
okay? So um yeah, Iwrote down that he is a strong,
silent energy and he's very observant.Would that oh? Yeah? Thank you?
Um popcorn, how do you connectto popcorn? It may have nothing
to do with him, no ideaokay, very strong. Okay, I

(01:42:25):
know nothing about you. I've lookedat nothing about you. Um, I
feel like you have a son,not that I know of. This would
be a surprise, okay. Soever, and however we are, my wife
may be praying it. So that'swe're trying to We're waiting to find out,
So don't I hope my family doesn'twatch this. So that's really sorry.

(01:42:45):
Well, now I'm just starting.You're gonna start thinking of boy's names.
So um. Okay, So butI kept a little boy. Okay,
he had a teddy bear Teddy Bear. Okay. So the other thing

(01:43:06):
is and potential congratulations by than you. Could there be or is there now,
um, somebody that's close to youthat you would look at or consider
to be like a son to you. Um, not really that I can

(01:43:29):
think of off the top of myhead. Okay, how about this somebody
I really don't think I think thisis okay, I'm gonna move on.
So, UM, this is interesting. I've never done anything like this.
Um. Without getting into too muchdetail, your grandfather's message to you,

(01:43:56):
number one, he wants to knowthat he is definitely always around you and
he UM with the work that youdo in the limelight and behind the scenes.
Um, there's something you've got goingin your head, there's a project
or something you want, you wantto go after and do, and you're

(01:44:16):
a hesitant or you're not sure ifyou should pursue whatever this is. He
says, go for it. Hesays you need to do it, and
he's going to be there to helpyou do it like you have to.
He's excited like we it's like wehave to do this, like you have
to do it so he can doit too. Okay, okay, And
I feel like this is more forlike the behind the scenes stuff that you

(01:44:39):
like to do. Um. Andthen I got a pee, like for
a Peter or Paul something like that. So how do you connect with pee?
Um? I have an uncle Pete. He's still around. So would
this be any connection to the grandfatherthat's coming through? No? No,
okay, And that's okay. Icould have been picking up on more than

(01:45:00):
one or not that I know of, right, I don't know. Um,
do you have an uncle Pete?You said? I do. I
feel like he's actually know my mynow I think about it. My grandfather's

(01:45:29):
father's name was Philip. My brother'smiddle name is Philip. Thank you.
That's weird. I just didn't thinkof it right away because it's right.
Nope, that happens so um,because I wasn't sure when I got the
pee if they were showing me PeterPaul because they wanted to accentuate the pee
for me, or if it wasthose names. So that's why I had

(01:45:49):
to offer at all. So butI'll send you a picture of my notes.
I wrote pee first, and thenthey offered Peter like pete slash.
Okay, so that's how I havea written Um. And who is this
again, Philip? Who is thismy grandfather's father, a great grandfather,
the same same grandfather I'm talking aboutnow, Yeah, okay, so now

(01:46:11):
that I know this is not thegrandfather's name, what is your grandfather's name?
The gentleman who's with me? Richard? They called him Dick, believe
it or not. That was hisnickname. No, I believe it.
The reason I'm laughing is because itwas my dad's name too. Is it
all right? So your grandfather wasa gentleman. He just tipped his hat

(01:46:32):
to me. Um, sounds soundssounds like him. He just he just
uh, he laughed and said Iwas a real ladies man. I feel
like he in his own head wouldthink that, but truly he was not

(01:46:54):
like he really because he started tolaugh when he said it. Um so
so this one, Um, Ihad a different man come in, and

(01:47:28):
your grandfather, Richard Dick is comingthrough, um looking like he's I'm gonna
say late forties to mid fifties.That doesn't mean he had to pass on.
They can come through looking however theywant. Um. Huh. This

(01:47:48):
this other one though, he's shorter, okay, And I put him in
twenties or thirties, and I feellike he was younger, like maybe in
his twenties. Mum. He's dressedalmost like you'd see the younger boys dressed
back in those days, where hehas the actual like knicker pants, short

(01:48:10):
hands on, and he's got thelittle newspaper hat. Yeah news yeah,
yes, yeah. How can youcharnce with that? Jud does that?
I really have no idea. That'sokay. I'd have to think about that.
That's that's okay. I have afeeling, you don't know. I
have a feeling like your parents orsomebody else is going to know who this

(01:48:31):
is. Because I do feel likethis this man or this this male died
younger. Um, I don't thinkyou know. But here's the thing.
So I went back and forth betweenyour grandpa and this other gentleman who's here
now, um or who came insecond. And what I saw. They

(01:48:51):
both showed me like a three byfive, But what is it like the
five by nine or something like that, pictures in a frame on someone's table,
like a nice table in a hallwayor in a living room. So
I want to say. Both ofthem were telling me they know there are
pictures of them out on a tablelike that somewhere, But I what does

(01:49:14):
that mean to what kind of connectioncan you make with that? The only
thing we one of the things wedid recently. I got married in October,
and we put pictures of all ofour family, everyone who had passed.
We put him in frames. Sohere's the father. Yeah, your
grandfather. Although he's presenting to mearound like mine and Mike's age, like

(01:49:36):
middle age. He showed me andthen he showed me that he aged and
he was elderly in this picture.So and he had whiter hair, yeah
yeah, what Harry had left yeahwas okay, So it was whiter,
so like he showed me that heaged so like how he was presenting now

(01:49:56):
and how he is here is notwhat he looked like in the picture that
was put out. And actually heshowed me that the color of the frame
looked like more of like a maplecolor, like the maplewood color. Yeah.
Yeah, they were all woods.Yeah. So no, that he
knows. And he's like patting hisheart going like this, saying like like
he truly appreciates it. And hesays, I've always got your back.

(01:50:19):
That's and something about reading to youwhen you were little. Yeah, yeah,
he there wasn't a book he didn'tread. I was gonna say,
you know, that sounds very generic, but like when but I can tell
it's special because even my grandfather whojust passed last year, that's like one
of the memories I'll always have ofhim, you know, I have certain
memories of him, certain memories ofmy other grandfather. My other grandfather didn't

(01:50:41):
read to us. We did otherthings with kind of this grandfather. There
were certain stories he read to us. Every time we sat in his lap,
he read our backs. It wasawesome like that. Even through high
school he would give us books toread. I mean that was the books
were significant, very very to him, very very That's awesome, it's crazy,
awesome. I've got a little Hesays, I love you. I

(01:51:04):
love you too, Grandpa. Greatglad to hear that. I'm very happy
to hear that to him. Youtalk to him, huh. You talk
to him, whether it's in yourhead, whether it's allowed, you talk
to him. You acknowledge him.So he says, I hear you.
He goes, but could you toneit down a little bit and maybe watch
the language. I'll try. He'slike, you talk, I can hear

(01:51:30):
you. You don't need to yell. It's funny. I do. I
do think about both my grandparents quitea lot. Yeah, awesome, Yeah,
my friend, what that is mindboggling. And then try to add
that to big footing on top whereshe points us where we're gonna. I've
never done anything like. First off, thank you for well doing that.

(01:51:54):
I can't imagine that's doesn't take atoll um. Thank you. That's very
beyond my understanding. I will certainlysay that. Oh that's I'm very grateful
to hear that. Crazy. I'mso glad this is recorded, because I'm
going to replay this over. I'mstanding just sorry later, but so yeah,

(01:52:23):
and I will send you a pictureof my dots if you cared.
I would love that. Thank you. I will share this with you.
Um. You reminded me of astory. My grandfather and my grandmother both
passed on the same day. Mygrandfather, Richard, actually said he could
hear his wife calling him and hedecided to pass that same day. Like

(01:52:46):
they had their funeral together, theywere buried together. So what the date
was that they passed, because I'mbeing told to ask about the date.
It was in August of twenty thirteen. What was the date? You know?
I think it was the sixteenth?Okay, what were those numbers at
the top of the show? Oh, one in an eight? Because I'm

(01:53:08):
being shown twenty eight right now?What's twenty eight mean too? That's a
good question. I don't know,so it may come to you later.
So twenty eight. Yeah, Ican't. I can't say mentally prepared.
I was not mentally prepared for thesekids of questions. Yeah, I know.
And you know when people cut whenthey come for readings all the time

(01:53:29):
and they know they're they're having appointment, it's the same, you know,
they just all of a sudden,They're like, they didn't. I wish
I would have written it down nowI questions, and now that's just gone,
you know, because it's a lotto process. It's a lot too.
Yeah, yeah, yes, itis very much. I'm kind of
dumbfounded, really like speechless. Andthat is, if you know, not

(01:53:51):
something that happens frequently. True,honestly. Oh wow, well until you.
I liked to chill acts too.She's pretty cool. I can tell
she is very cool. That's whywe're married. She's very supportive, very
married, and I will tell her. Christie says to chill Ax. Yeah.
I don't know why either stayed itlike that, but they are so.

(01:54:13):
And those are for spirit GUIDs.I have to be specific for spirit
guides. I will relay that.I will relay that happily. This is
great. This isn't just getting marriedtoo. How fun? Thank you?
Thank you? Yeah, New Orleans, New Orleans wedding in October and couldn't

(01:54:35):
be happier. It's great. Weactually got one of my wedding gifts.
There's a famously haunted hotel there andum, I forget the name of it.
My wife would kill me, butum, I'll let you guys.
Know after the show, randomly,we got a new Uber and the Uber
driver had worked in the Haunted Hoteland as a gift he gave us a

(01:54:56):
piece in a frame from the restorationthe hotel, so we have a legitimate
piece of the building. And wegot as a wedding gift after the wedding
from somebody random on cool, verycool. There is a good one up
there that people have gone. AndI know another group just went I too
long ago, Um to some hotelup there? People did, I can't

(01:55:18):
at. New Orleans is famously streamand haunted. Yeah, I know,
I need to get there. Iwas there when I would like sex.
No, I need to go againand flee. Yeah, yeah, I
might enjoy it a little more now. Yeah, Joe, if you're still
in the audience, I know heand Jesse were down in you living in
New Orleans for a while. Um, he might have that and they were

(01:55:41):
there. You know, they're paranormalguys. When I first met it,
well actually I met him through theKnife community. We started the Knife community
and end up in the big community. It's just a whole other This is
blowing my mind. I never expectedto do show and then wind up sitting
here dumbfounded like this I'm sorry commentfrom John. Okay, guys kind of

(01:56:05):
look, Scott's bringing Christy. Whenwas the last time we've talked to you
know, just there? Um,yeah, okay, that's where my wife
was from. Oh very cool.Yeah, I love it. Yeah,
we have to get there. Yeah, that's why I say, you know,

(01:56:26):
when I was driving home from wheretoday, I'm like, okay,
we're gonna take You're you know,thinking about your big foot mapping project and
and the data we're collecting for thiscreature. And I'm like, but there's
nothing out there for the paranormal community. We've got all these hotels across the
country, we've got all these othersites and just you know, oh UFOs
in this area. And years ago, like I asked one of the local

(01:56:51):
uh move on folks that hey,can you give me a list of your
your your UFOs anthing. This isthree years before he had the whole tic
Tac incident. And I joked withmy buddy David, he just it was
part of two really good project,the Phenomenon in Contact there with James wat

(01:57:13):
and I'm like, you know,he was fine on the paranormal he's fine
on the UFO. You bring upbig Foot, he wants to run the
whole other way. But I sathim down with Paul Bartholio recently. I'm
like, well, why didn't youguys take your list because you especially being
down from the Hudson Valley. Yeah. I did an interview for for for
for another podcast and they're busting mychops about big Foot. And then the

(01:57:34):
both of my parents will tell youthey saw one the year before I was
born. As famous. It's actuallybeen referenced on the Hudson Valley. The
uf I was like big triangular rightdown to Technic. Yep. They swear
and they I mean they were inWestchester right, which right off the to
Conic right and they swear, theyswear. Both of them will tell that

(01:57:55):
story. It's very interesting. Andthat was just that it was. The
host is like, oh, yeah, you and Bigfoot. Well, and
in nineteen seventy six, my momand I were driving on Second and I'm
like, yeah, okay, howclose reading Nuclear Lake? Where were you
here on this and how many sightingswere long that stretch? Yeah, that

(01:58:16):
we have champ we have maps whatever. Yeah, and it's again, folks,
if you're going to collect your data, map it out. And yeah.
Now one of the reasons I thinkyou asked me earlier why I haven't
done a paranormal a sister site,and I think I don't. I'm very

(01:58:40):
passionate about bigfoot in wildlife and beingoutdoors, and I don't want to come
across as dispassionate or opportunistic then justthrow it out there to do it.
I think it comes. I'd liketo be able to put real energy and
real thought into the project, andI haven't built an interest in that.
Yeah, I'm not passionate about itlike I am about big Foot. So

(01:59:02):
that's why I haven't done that avenue. And I mean it's a great idea,
but I don't think I would wantto do it well. I would
want to do it well, andright the saying is like do one thing
and do it well. And that'swhat I'm trying to do. So when
we find Bigfoot, I know whatmy next adventure is. And like you

(01:59:27):
said, I mean, data collectionis huge and getting all those data points
and getting them in there, andyou know that's what we you know,
all of us are playing around withthat other group that we can Amy runs
that we've we've talked with and UM, we've had Amy on UM. I

(01:59:48):
think Amy is one of the bestpeople on the planet period. And that's
and don't worry she did it toAmy two. But you know, folks
that are literally listening and the deaddata is important. So I put Scott's

(02:00:11):
website on there. But you're onInstagram, you're on Facebook right in and
the app, I mean it's inthis in the different you know, play
stores and stuff like that. It'sgreat, UM, And I know you've
got a lot of folks that havebeen looking historical data and they're giving you
good historical data. They are,they are, It's only gotten better.

(02:00:31):
I've one of the things I thoughtto do and I'm trying to if I
can plug it. It's very new, it's a new idea. UM.
I've created a new survey for researchers, specifically so that people can follow along
in the map with one of theirresearchers that they're interested in following. And

(02:00:53):
I think the map would be anice platform for somebody I don't know that's
in the field to air UM ina new context right now, not just
an Instagram or YouTube post. ButI think the people could actually follow along
on the adventure and learn through themap with these folks. So that's one
thing that I just Uh, you'rein the chat that I sent out to

(02:01:15):
everyone, So I want to I'mcurious to hear how that goes from everyone's
perspective. But it's very new andI'm excited to see how people utilize it
because it hopefully opens up a newmedium pun intended for for researchers, like
yeah, yeah, I think it'sawesome. You see you get somebody that's

(02:01:41):
traveling, like like Alexander Pettikoff,Yeah, you know the where are you
guys going? Like, like Isaid, I use your map to kind
of where am I gonna plan onmy trips? Where am I gonna go?
Okay, well there's some sightings.I can go down through here and
go through you are, or I'mgoing to head down and see Larson and
those guys down there, or catchEric up and in Pennsylvania. Well what's
my trip gonna be? You know, down that way or you know,

(02:02:04):
go stop over and see Ryan andyou know, it's it's just an awesome
way of looking at things. Youknow, it used to be. You
know, I had everything on GoogleMaps and with you know, Android Auto,
I could kind of drive and wecould you know, hop our points
in but it just feels a wholescreen. So yeah, this happen.

(02:02:28):
You just keep going in the app. You can put yourself in the app
your GPS location, so it's justlike any other mobile app. You can
see a little blue dot on thescreen and get from you can navigate that
way. UM. One thing aboutthe app is people are going to ask
because you've mentioned it. It's onthe stores. It is a dollar ninety
nine, but I will I hopefullyjustify that that pays to keep the website

(02:02:49):
running and the software licenses. Thatis all what it's forum. And an
added benefit is it keeps the trollsout. Trolls are notoriously cheap, so
a little if they have to payfor something, they're less likely to disrupt
the environment. So I think oneninety nine is quite reasonable considering it's not

(02:03:12):
a subscription. It's not a subscription, but it does it does help,
It really does. Um. Ijust I just renewed all the all the
software for twenty twenty three, andum it adds up. But the throughout
the days the apps, I meanyou guys, know, you use a
lot of software, string Yard,et cetera. I am y, Yeah,
the string Yard, I have awebsite. It's expensive. Yeah,

(02:03:32):
so it does help keep the lightson and um, yeah, I am
grateful for everyone who's bought the appbecause it does help keep the project alive.
We're always, you know, ifyou were doing something new, we've
had somebody on, We're always wantto get that information out. Yeah,
in Gush for less than a cupof coffee pretty much, because right,

(02:03:55):
less than an egg, Oh mygod. Yeah, but maybe I'll make
a map to all the cheap eggsnext. Yeah. But that's just that's
just it, you know, likewe don't we don't do Patreon or something
like that. This is our getto get everything out for everybody. And
you know, when we're doing apodcast or something like that, Christie has
her readings and we both have fulltime jobs and we just kind of,

(02:04:16):
you know, try to get thisout everybody. But I've had a wonderful
you guys. I've enjoyed this verymuch. And I'm still like recovering from
from Christy in the line, andwe're gonna have to kind of kind of
wrap it up there to our pointthere. Um yeah, yeah, guys,

(02:04:38):
go please look at scott stuff andI'll let you really let us know
where we can find you and stuff. And I hope we hit most of
the key points. And we didn't, We're gonna have a back on that
that really hit. It would bemy pleasure. I'm a little nervous for
next time, though. I don'tbite, no, no, a little
bite though, I mean, comeon, let's see. I guess it's

(02:05:01):
okay to let everyone know. Likeyou said, please, first thing,
if you would like to check outthe project, It's www dot bigfootmap dot
com and I'm on Instagram. That'swhere I'm most active. I kind of
just post everything to Facebook as well, but Instagram is where it's at for
me. It's at Bigfootmapping Project onInstagram. And if you are so inclined

(02:05:26):
or you have an idea or constructivecriticism please or even not constructive, I'll
read that too. Um, pleasefeel free to email me. My email
is Scott at bigfootmap dot com andI will do my best to get back
to you. I really depends onwhat's going on with work. I wish
this was my full time thing,but sometimes it takes a little longer to

(02:05:48):
get back, but I will domy best. And again, thank you,
thank you Christy and Mike, andthank you everyone here. And I'm
very grateful to be able to talkto both. This is great, awesome.
Likewise, if you want to hangfor a second, and then christ
will have that information. So I'mgonna pull you out of the studio anywhere

(02:06:09):
we'll go. He's got more.I'm not going anywhere, alright, alright,
thank you, sir, appreciate youboth. This is great, Thank
you, all right, my god, I like you. Nobody likes me.
I hear to push buttons and Ican't even do that right tonight.

(02:06:31):
So yeah, I hear Vita inthe background, so I told them so
of thank you, thank you allfor joining us tonight, and uh,
we appreciate everything. Where's my countdownthere? Okay, okay, this don't

(02:06:56):
kind us off prematurely. That's youknow, that's all I ask. Yep,
we give it a shot, allright, everybody have a wonderful week,
stay safe. It's chappalon

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