February 14, 2025 • 41 mins
Which Murderer Flashback Episode!
In Season 4 Episode 36 the girls tackle another listener suggestion and tell you about Murders Solved by Psychics. What a great idea! Mel kicks it off with the sad story of Melanie Uribe before Holly tells you about a lovely man named Andre Daigle.
Shoutout to Cheryl for this week’s suggestion! Keep them coming…..you guys are doing a fantastic job.
Mel is on the running bandwagon while Holly remains on a health not-kick, we learn that Holly skates like a sailboat, Mel tells us about her love for the Olympics and Italy - but that she is not likely to honeymoon there due to the Mafia, the girls decide all carpenters are nice people and Holly reveals yet more childhood trauma.
Production, recording and post production completed by Holly who is trying hard to psychically connect to Consulting Producer Craig and get him to take over editing again.
Holly edited this week. All complaints should be sent directly to Mel while Consulting Producer Craig tries to figure out why he’s suddenly craving maple syrup and has an itch inside his brain.
www.whichmurderer.com
WARNING - Explicit language, content and themes (plus whatever else will cover us legally). All opinions stated are our own and case information was gathered from legitimate sources within the public realm.
Pre-recorded in Scotland
In Season 4 Episode 36 the girls tackle another listener suggestion and tell you about Murders Solved by Psychics. What a great idea! Mel kicks it off with the sad story of Melanie Uribe before Holly tells you about a lovely man named Andre Daigle.
Shoutout to Cheryl for this week’s suggestion! Keep them coming…..you guys are doing a fantastic job.
Mel is on the running bandwagon while Holly remains on a health not-kick, we learn that Holly skates like a sailboat, Mel tells us about her love for the Olympics and Italy - but that she is not likely to honeymoon there due to the Mafia, the girls decide all carpenters are nice people and Holly reveals yet more childhood trauma.
Production, recording and post production completed by Holly who is trying hard to psychically connect to Consulting Producer Craig and get him to take over editing again.
Holly edited this week. All complaints should be sent directly to Mel while Consulting Producer Craig tries to figure out why he’s suddenly craving maple syrup and has an itch inside his brain.
www.whichmurderer.com
WARNING - Explicit language, content and themes (plus whatever else will cover us legally). All opinions stated are our own and case information was gathered from legitimate sources within the public realm.
Pre-recorded in Scotland
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
If you like, Hello, mel, Hello Holly, what's new?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
What's new?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Well, since we last spoke, let me think I finished
my yogurt. That's good headlines, that's good news. You're on
a health kick. I'm on a health not kick.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm in the zone. Actually sad, it's amazing, but I'm
quite enjoying it. Went back to running. Running has always
been my thing. I got very leasy, as we all do.
But I've got right back into it because I have
summer goals. Yes, and it helps if you have a goal.
So yes, I'm into running. I think I'm in week three.
(00:59):
So hello, do you run for before you have to stop? Well,
I've gone back to couch to five k oh okay,
because I used to run five k's all the time. Yea,
And that was my thing for years and news and years,
and then I had the kids and then went back
to it briefly. But I kind of fell out of
love with running, I think, for a while. So I've
gone Now I've got I went right back to basics
and I'm doing couch to five k, which I'm really
(01:21):
enjoying and it properly works like it's nine weeks of
running program. We run three times a week along to
someone that coaches you and tells you everything to do,
how long to run and how long to rest and
have a restay in between and whatever. And honestly, you
can run five k's like no bother in nine weeks.
I can barely walk. Anybody can do it. I'm not
(01:43):
entirely sure that. One of their mutual friends on Facebook
as well was something we used to work with who
was not a runner at all, and she went, she
went onto it and she loved it. Yeah, and she's like,
I'm running for like twenty minutes at a time and
I'd never been able to do add my life. Yeah,
And it's true. You get to a point we can
we can run a five cane Like I think my
record probably was about twenty eight minutes back when I
(02:05):
was fitting hail seeing properly into it. But I think
you can run to have five caves in like twenty
five minutes or something really, which is awesome. And I
just think running for me, it's just like pop podcast
on pop your tunes on awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
See for me, you say with which marginer? Oh we
which murderer with the running podcast?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Now for me?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
We don't like I get such bad shin pain.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, I used to, but it's all about woman up properly.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Oh I don't have to try that. But like Thursday,
I walked ten k. Friday I worked ten k.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Did you see you're doing that for work? Yeah? I
was doing excite tours all right. I thought you meant
like you were doing like some sort of sponsored thing.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Oh god, no, it wasn't voluntary. I was really pissed
off about it.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Oh right, okay, fine, but it's still fitness, which is good.
It was satinus.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
But like I was telling the person I'm one of
my coworkers I was with, I was like, I do
this for fun on the weekends. When I have to
do it for work, it just makes me mad. Oh,
I guess a completely different kettle of fish. Plus it
was walking on like concrete, and it was just, yeah,
it's not us fun. So twenty k over those two days,
and then on the Sunday I went ice skating, and
I swear to god.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Ice skatings hard to work.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
It's hard work, and I don't ice skate properly like
I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I grew up doing it, but I've developed my own
way of ice skating, which is not the right way.
It's the same way I use chopsticks, which is my way,
not the right way.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
So I only skate with one skate.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Okay, do you not use bull snow?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
No? So I push off with my right and I
steer with my left. So I'm like a boat.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
This is something I want to see. So we are
going to do a podcast ice skating. I'm going to
film it. I'm going to show every Monday. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I don't know what point because I remember when I
was a little I used to boogy around that ice
so good.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I don't when I was younger, I did backwards, I
could do everything else. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
God help me. No, I'm like a sail boat now.
I have to like my my right leg is this
is the wind in the sails, and my left leg
is just the boat going straight down the ice.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Like is the most bizarre thing. This is something I
have to witness in life.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
My God, honestly, and all these little shits we're five
years old, like zoom and past on their little skates
and you're like, nah, bostards, little bastards. It's because you're
a center of gravity is so much. You're like holding
the penguin. I wasn't holding a penguin. I was not
holding a penguin. Were just being a boat. I was
being a sailboat. And then I would stop at like
(04:36):
sure quite a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Oh god, you get more feedful as you get older, though,
you really do. Are you watching the winters at Olympics? No,
my god, we've been We've been dipping an out of it.
I must say, we've been watching doing I don't know.
We usually do pretty good in winter. So by they
all I've seen is Italy doing very well enough, they
do very well. How does that work?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
No, they don't do well in summer. They do very
well in winter. They've got the fucking Alps.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Well, I know. But they predominantly come from a hot country.
Apart from that, I mean, do they what seventy it's hot?
Is it not?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I don't think it would be hot. They winter and
snow and shit.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, but not like winter Olympic snow. Yeah up in
the mountains yeah, and the mountains yeah, but not anywhere else.
But they don't need it everywhere the athletes in the mountains. Yeah,
but as as a country, as a whole, it's like
getting and sunny. No, but that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
They go skiing because they're so close to Switzerland, They're
so close to all those countries that love the winter sports.
They're so close to it that they can just pop over.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
But I've been watching it and it just takes me
back to my favorite, one of my favorite films of
all time, because obviously my favorite film of all time
is Willy Wonka. Okay, did not know that? You did
not know that? How can you? How can you be
friends me for all these years and don't know that
Willy Wonka is my favorite film of all time. My
favorite film is I going to go and take it?
Probably something like bloody and gory. I'm what is your
(06:01):
favorite Fela? I don't know. Yeah, take it back, take
you back? Okay, your favorite film is probably The Exoguist.
Isn't I even in the top fave? Shining? No? Is
it lighthearted? Is it Madey Poppins of music? I don't
(06:23):
know that.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
You're a terrible friend. Who I'm so sorry? Oh my god,
my favorite film is The Amadeus.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
What the fuck's that?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
This is a movie about Mozart?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Oh my god, snooze, It's not Snooze is about chocolate.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It's it's about somebody slowly being driven mad to the
point of death, I suppose, and you wouldn't be like hearts.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Okay, So going back to the Winter Olympics takes me
to my second favorite film, which is about the legend
that is John Candy and it's kill Runnings Riches Awesome.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I heard Jamaica is in it this year.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, yeah, Running. I actually watched it recently with the
kids for the first time. And you know how we
hit the kids to watch like one of your films.
He loved as and you worry that it doesn't and
some of them haven't. Yeah, but they loved it. Really,
they really liked it. Yeah, they really liked it. They
didn't unfortunately though they seen Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
with Johnny Depp before they seen Willy Wonka with Jane Wilder,
(07:24):
and they did not like Willy Wonka.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah. Jane Wilder was really fucking creepy.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, so Johnny Depp though, I Ny Depp had a
touch with Michael Jackson's about massage. Yeah he did. No,
Sorry Michael Jackson fans, but you know, no, Yeah, a lot,
a lot is wrong there music musically fabulous? Yeah, not
musically not so fabulous.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I don't know. There's been some debate recently and a
lot of stuff's coming out that maybe those were false allegation.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Oh well, well you know, nothing has proven so fair enough. Yeah,
but a lot was said anyway. It was a bit
of a strange character, but it was musical genius. Yes,
he was absolutely yes, so way sidetracked as usual. How
the fuck did we even get here because I was
talking about Winter Olympics and Kill Runnings. Oh right, okay,
and I have to watch I'm gonna have to watch
Kill Runnings again because it's just it's just taking me
a bit back for yours. I mean, I watched it
(08:12):
last year and I found it so fucking funny. But
I love John Candy like I love Uncle Buck. He's Canadian.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
See Candy is Canadian? Did not know that?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Oh my god, I did not know that.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Did you not know our national Dead Treasures?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
He is awesome and he died really young, didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Hey, well yeah he was hard.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, yeah, he was not a healthy. Uncle Buck is
like one of the greatest things ever.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It's pretty cute and I love him.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
In the first home alone as well. Oh my god,
he helps the mom get home.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah, he's cute and that. Have you watched in Canto
yet the New Disney Room.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
No, I've not seen it. Have you've seen Luca? No,
I haven't seen that. That's awesome. That is awesome. Yes,
it's really really awesome. That was the last kind of
Big Disney one i'd seen. But I've not seen in Canto.
Oh it's so good. But I was like bawling at
the end. It's on Disney Plus. Yeah, I've got that,
so I'll watch it. Is amazing. Oh but have we
got time to talk? One will tell you? Or we
went on too much?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I mean nine minutes worth of movies. Sorry, guys, there
is murder coming up.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well I can talk about this another time now, because
I want to know a TV show. We always wanted
a TV show that we could watch the family together
and we probably enjoy it, the four of us. And
I've never seen this, and Dave had seen it and
thought we need to watch this together. So we went
back to watch the very beginning of Malcolm in the Middle.
Oh my god, oh my god. We're all loving it,
and the boys are like, what do you watch for
(09:29):
The Malcolm. When you watch on The Malcolm, Yeah, it
is so good and I've never ever seen it so
and David seen some of it, but we're now only
I think we're nearly on the third season and we're
loving it. I had no idea that Brian Canston was dad. Yeah, no,
I know. I was like, oh my god, Briankknson. Dave's like, yeah, yeah,
I had no idea. I knew like who Malcolm was,
(09:52):
I knew of him when I was younger, but I
had no idea of the dad and he is absolutely
brilliant and it's so funny in it. But they're all
brilliant in the individually, Like the mum's brilliant as well.
Love the Mum, but it's so funny because like the Mum,
people keep saying similarities to me and the mum. I
could say that, I could say that she's like a
bit crazy and chit's a bit. Yeah. Yeah, we're absolutely
(10:13):
loving it. Sorry, sorry, everybody. We've talked about TV and
films for night. Yes, yeah, you could just fast forward.
That was too week. However, we are going to talk
about another listener suggestion right, which was Cheryl again, Oh
thank you Thank you, Cheryl. Come back anytime with suggestions.
Please have months of suggestions, which is awesome, so good.
And it's is murders solved by psychic, which I was
(10:37):
well into this one, I mean, and I want to
visit a psychic so badly. I wonder if my guy
is still taking but nobody, you know, there's like years
of waiting, lasts or whatever else. And I really so
badly want to visit one because I love it. I
just I believe in it all about it all. I
love it.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I don't necessarily believe it all. But I waited two
years to go see a guy and he was amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I mean, I'm not waiting two years and most impatient
person in the world anyway, But I mean, I really
want to see someone. Anyway, I shall carry on. So
I'm first this week, Yes you are. And my murder
served by Psye Cake involves a lady whose name is Melanie. Personally,
I think that's a fabulous name. Her name is Melanie Uribe.
(11:19):
How would you say you are ibe? Uriby?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Are ib r ib r ib urebe sonybys family or America?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Okay, So I'll just call it Melanie from now on. Okay.
Melanie Uribe was born on the ninth September nineteen forty
eight in Burbank, California. She was a divorced, single mother
of an eight year old son, and she worked as
a nurse at the hospital in burn Bank, Burn Bank,
Burn Banks, Barbank at the Pasioma Hospital in Burbank. On
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December the fifteenth, nineteen eighty, Melanie went missing on her
way into work the night shift. When she failed to
show up, the hospital called her house phone, but no
one answered. After not coming into work at any point
throughout the shift, her employer decided to call the police.
She was known to be very reliable and punctual, so
not showing up for a shift, especially when she had
(12:14):
a job as important as being a nurse, was just
not normal for it at all. Right. Police went to
her home, where the talked to her roommate, who said
they had not seen her since she had left for work.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
This would have been like the sixties, right, She's born
in nineteen forty so yes, yeah, the sixties, they would
actually care if you didn't show up to work. I'd
like go check on you.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Now they don't give a shit, She described her Where
was I Oh, yeah. They talked to her roommate, who
said they hadn't seen her since she left her work.
She described Melanie to police as being about five foot
two and she's tall, blonde, and was last seen wearing
a white uniform, leather jacket, and a brown sweater when
she left the apartment to go to work. The next morning,
(12:52):
police found Melanie's truck with her nurse's uniform in it,
but no sign of Melanie. The truck had been set
on fire. Initially, police weren't sure if Melanie was dead
and alive. They searched the area and found no other
trace of her, so they put out a media lat
on TV and radio, and it wasn't long before they
received calls from witnesses and said that they heard a
woman's screaming and watched these two men force their way
(13:13):
into the women's truck and drove away.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
They watched, they.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Saw that happen. They didn't call police, no, not until
they heard disappear in radio. But then sometimes it takes
that to triger people's memory. Or maybe I mean, someone's
screaming and been dragged into a truck by two our
men and it's a female, You should be fucking active
on that. Yeah, I would like to think. That same
day that I absolutely loved that. I love this story,
love it. That same day, a thirty two year old
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aerospace worker by the name of Etta Smith, also from Burbank,
was listening to the radio work when she heard the
news bulleting about Meleanie come up and talk about her
disappearance and how they'd found her truck on a dead
end street, but we're still looking for her. She heard
how police had search the area, including the houses nearby,
and at that point she heard her voice in her
(14:02):
head say, she's not in a house. Oh. And as
soon as she had that thought, she then had a
clear visual in her head of where Melanie was. Oh.
In her vision, she saw a canyon and a curving road,
some shrubberry hills in the backdrop, and a dirt path
leading to something white. She didn't know the name of
(14:22):
the location or anything more than that, but she did
a very clear vision, almost like a movie scene in
her head. Oh.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
ESAs never claimed to be a psychic. I was going
to say, is she even a psychic?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
No, this was something new to her, so she argued
with herself over what to do with the vision. She
didn't want to come off as crazy, but what she
had just seen in her head was so clear, and
she had this pulling feeling like she just would be
able to live with herself if she didn't tell the
police what she saw. So there's obviously great danger of
her sounding like a crazy lady. In the end, though,
she decided to leave work a little early and tell
(14:55):
the authorities about her vision. At this point, she didn't
really if anyone thought she was nuts. The feeling that,
the pulling feeling that she had was so strong that
she had to do the right thing. Oh my god.
She went to the police station and told him that
she had a vision about where the missing person was.
She described the location in great detail, and the officer
knew of where she was referring to. She was able
(15:15):
to pinpoint the spot in a map, which was a
remote part of the San Fernando Valley in the Lopez Canyon.
As it turned out, the police had not searched that area,
but the detective in charge assured Eta that they would.
Of course, detectives were really skeptical of this scheming. I
can't speak, really skeptical of this seemingly random woman walking
(15:36):
into a police station talking about a vision she'd had. Yeah,
of course he would be. But they checked Etta out
and she was a business woman with a top security clearance.
She obviously she worked near a space. She wasn't just
like this randomer off the street of whatever else. She
had credibility, She did a good reputation, so they took her,
took down information and decided promise to would act on it.
The officer instructed her to be back at the station
(15:57):
the following morning at seven am and have a helicopter
from the Air Support Division there to take them up
into the area and sept it. Even though the officer
said they would have a look at the area in
the morning, Etta felt she had to go to the
location for herself, just to ensure that I had been checked.
She said about the pulling, feeling that something inside of
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her thought that they wouldn't check it in time, and
she didn't know if the victim was dead and alive,
but she just felt so strongly that she had to
be there and somebody had to be there to help
in case the victim was alive, And she felt an
overwhelming sort of sense of someone had to get there
straight away, and she couldn't leave it, but she couldn't
rest until she'd acted on it, so she went to
(16:39):
the canyon. She had no idea, obviously at that point,
if anything was going to be there at all, or
if she was losing her mind. Yeah, but she just
kept referring to this vision in her head and what
she'd seen, so without really thinking it through, she went
back home, picked her kids up. Her kids were nine
or ten years old at the time, loaded them into
the car with her twenty year old niece, and drove
to the spot from her. As she got closer to
(17:02):
the location, she says she began to feel again Melanie's presence,
confirming to her that she was somewhere in the canyon.
She spottied a fresh set of car tracks. Instinctively, something
told her to stop the car, so she got out
of the van and went to take a closer look
at the set of tire tracks. She put her fingers
into the impressions in the dirt, and as soon as
(17:23):
they touched the dirt, she said, it was like almost
an electrifying feeling. Oh my god, that she could feel
all kinds of trauma. Assuming this from Melanie giving her
a sign that she was on the right track, right,
This is so weird, but so interesting. She followed the
tracks as she felt something pulling her in that direction,
and at that point ETA's daughter said she spotted something
(17:43):
in the bush. As they got closer, Eta could tell
that it was in fact a body, and all she
could really make out was the white nushing shoes sticking
out from under the bush. She knew it had to
be Melanie, and she looked around the location. Everything was
exactly it been in her vision. She called police, who
eye in the scene quickly, and an autopsy determined that
the body was indeed Melanie. She had been robbed, raped,
(18:06):
and beaten to death. She was stripped, naked and left
in the canyon, just like es I'd seen in her vision. However,
Melanie's killers remained at large. Police didn't have anyone in custoday,
and the only real leads they had to go on
at this point was the witness who said they saw
two men jump into her truck. They wondered exactly though,
how Eta knew so much about where Melanie's body could be. Yeah,
(18:28):
that's my first thought. Is very suspicious, Yeah, especially whether
it have anything else to go on. Her description was
too accurate. They thought, and they felt it was so
accurate that really she really had to be rous witnessed
and questioned. There'd been nothing in the papers indicating any
clues about this, so the police thought, how could she
(18:48):
possibly know all this? How could you have this vision
and know all this? The case was going nowhere, There'd
been no reports, so how could she know so much?
Now that they were in this deserted area with her,
all the suspicions really fell on her. I would They
called Etta into the police station that evening questioned her
a number of times. Etta said. The two detectives that
(19:09):
sat down with her wanted her to explain the whole thing,
how the whole thing unfolded, and they were quite disturbed
at how it seems so normal to her they've had
this vision, even though she claimed not to be psychic. Yeah,
she said. She finished telling them everything over and over again,
filled in all the blanks, and they made her start
at the beginning countless times. That's normal because obviously they're
(19:30):
thinking there's going to be some flaws a paring. She's
not going to remember exactly, she said, every single time,
But she did, and they would make her tell the
story again and again and again went on for hours
and hours, and then it became very obvious to her
that she was now the primes.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
That had Yeah, I would be my main fair coming
forward if I had a.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Taking a real chance. So especially if it's that clearing
her head and it's that accurate. The police felt she
knew too much to not be involved in it, and
even if she wasn't the one who visited killed Melanie,
they believed she was some sort of necessity to a crime,
either before or after the murder. YEP, she was intedicated
for ten hours. She couldn't really explain to them why
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or how she had the vision, but she denied having
any involvement throughout the entire interview. They asked her to
take two polygraph exams. She passed both. Yeah, but the
thing with polygraphs is they're not one hundred percent accurate police.
I mean, the police feel accurate enough.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
It's an indication, yeah, but sometimes, but it's not inconclusion.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Nothing's feel proof. There was it really no no. If
someone fails the test, obviously the focus on that person.
But she passed it twice. However, if the person passes
the test, they may still not be uiled out as
a suspect, and that's exactly what happened. The detectives believed
she was trying to deceive the polygraph by attempting to
hold her breath, and so they even went as far
as to tell her that she'd failed the test, just
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to see they could get her to finally crack and
tell them what they wanted to hear. But she didn't.
But she didn't crack, she didn't break, She didn't provide
them with anything that they want. However, they still arrested
and charged her as a necessity to murder, and she
was locked up for four days. She was a mom
of two, obviously a respectable member of the community, so
being in jail for four days obviously had quite a
(21:12):
grulling effect on her. But lucky for her, always about
to be revealed, a police informant came forward and said
they'd heard one of the killers bragging about the murder
in the neighborhood, talking about how he and his friends
were the real murderers and they were getting away with it.
The man, who apparently couldn't keep his mouth shut, was
arrested and quickly turned on his co conspirator, the real killers.
(21:32):
It turns out were a seventeen year old minor who
was not identified due to his age, and a man
called Spencer Nelson who was twenty one, and Lewis Carnell Morgan,
who was twenty and just like the witness had described,
the men jumped into Melanie's truck while she was at
a stoplight and made her drive into the canyon about
fifteen miles away. They then raped her and beat her
(21:53):
to dead with a rock while she begged for her life.
She died a horrible death due to blunt folds trauma
to the head. With this book and profession, Etta was
released from jail. Police had determined that she had no
connection to the perpetrators of the murder, even though they
couldn't rationally explain how she'd known about everything that she'd said.
Etta again at the end, said she had no explanation
(22:15):
for her sudden on sexci capabilities. She said she wonders
why the events transpired in her head. She has no
idea how it happened, and she just thinks that one
of these mysterious things in life that she just happened
that you can't explain, yeh, which is so weird. It
was so accurate She went on to file a wrongful
arrest suit against the police. She won damages because of that,
(22:35):
in the region of seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
One narrative that kept coming up during the trial was
that Eta just wanted to be famous, and that maybe
she'd overheard one of the killers talking about it and
she made up the elaborate story herself, but there was
never an evidence of that. She denied having any desire
to become famous during the trial or finding the body,
and an undercover police officer that was putting a cell
(22:55):
with Etta said that she talked about writing a book
and make a movie from an experience, which again was
proven to be false. Right in the end, she was
water of damages. She has never had any other visions
like that since. She's gone on to live a real, littile,
normal life after that.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
The three killers were all convicted shortly afterwards and all
received life in prison. Good, but the miner's never been named.
Seventeen year olds, now, that's quite young to be doing that.
And I got all that information from various websites. One
was called two activist dot com, the other was called
medium dot com. Oh, I love that one which I
had never come across before, but I'm so interesting. Another
one was called Unsolved Mysteries dot fandom dot com is
(23:38):
very interesting. But that is the story of Eta and
her very clear vision that she kind of explain so spooky.
I love it, and we're back. We are back. Melanie
is currently being the usual fidget and moving all the
equipment around Welsh recording. Holly's in the corner giving her
the eyes.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
There was some incidents with our last recording, all four
episodes that we recorded last time, and I put the
microphones really close to both our faces, which we proceeded
to slam our faces off the microphones a few times.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, face planted head, budtied everything and oh, I just
did again.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
It genuinely sounds like somebody is knocking the wall down
when that happens.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
But you do a fabulous job of vaditing out all
my misdemeanors and it has a.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Lot well there's a few of mine as well. So
my story is about somebody called can't wait to hear this?
Loving this subject.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I love the subject.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Andre daegel Oh, who was a twenty seven year old
carpenter in June of nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Oh so philly decent, not too far away. No, we'll
feely decent for us.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I made fairly reason for us. It's still like thirty
odd years ago. But sure you forget the eighties with
that long ago.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I know shit, I know u.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
And he was housitting for his brother at the time
of his death.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Oh so. He was described as.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
A very kind man and he was the sort of
person who would help anyone in need, no matter what
the circumstances. Oh, it's just like a real sweetheart.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
He sounds like a lovely guy.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I think all carpenters are. I've never met a nasty carpenter.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
No little helpful people.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, Legian's old. So on June ninth, nineteen eighty seven,
he met up with his friend and they went to
dinner and then to play pool and have drinks, which
sounds like an awesome night.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Excellent love about pool.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
He was in New Orleans, Louisiana at the time, so
while at the bar for drinks, Andre's friend noticed him
talking to a woman named Thelma, who said she needed
a ride as they were leaving so that she could
go and check in on a friend of hers. Okay,
so of course, him, being the friendly man that he was,
was like, oh, okay, and she's like, well, my friend's pregnant.
(25:49):
I'm worried about her. He's like, oh, yeah, i'll take you.
I'll definitely take you because yeah, like he's just he
was just a kind person who would literally help anyone.
He agreed to drop her off and they left in
his black ass uv going to an apartment complex where
she said the pregnant friend was living. Okay, so Andre
went to the apartment with her. Nobody really knows why
he went with her, but maybe he was just making
(26:10):
sure that she got up there, Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Charles Gervay was also twenty seven and had been raised
by an Abusa father, and he had been in trouble
with the law since his teens. He had only been
out of prison for a few months on the night
that Andre went into Thelma's apartment to help her with
her supposed pregnant friends.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
When Andre went into the apartment, Charles was waiting with
another man named Michael Phillips. Okay, this was all a
set up. Thelma, Charles, and Michael were all living together
in the apartment. There was no pregnant friend, Michael and
Thelma were in a relationship, and the other guy was
just like a third wheel.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
There are quite a few versions as to what happened next,
but it was generally agreed by no putting the little
pieces together that Charles was very influential and was the
leader of the group.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
He set out a plan for the three to obtain cash, weapons,
and a vehicle before going to Houston to take over
a prostitution ring after wiping out a mafia family who
controlled it. Oh, he had big plans and he seemed
to you know, have them planned out. However, I'm not
entirely sure that's the best plan for your future. No, No,
(27:21):
So Charles decided that in order to prove trust, they
would have to kill someone like Oh, okay, you know
eat plan gang initiation. So that's why Thelma had lured
Andre to the apartment. She left him while pretending to
check on her pregnant friend up in the bedroom.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I was always the nice people.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
That's always the nice people. I know, it doesn't pay
to be nice. Everybody just be horrible. That's terrible advice,
don't do it. So she pretended to go check on
her pregnant friend, and he fell asleep on the couch
while waiting for her. I assume because he'd had a
few drinks, like he was maybe just a week as sleepy.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Meanwhile, Charles and Michael were nearby with a hammer. It
hesitated for a few hours. So this guy's sleeping on
the couch and they're standing around with a hammer going out,
you do it, you do it, you do.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It, you do I mean, that is just fucking freaky.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
It is freaky. They were going back and forth like
neither one of them wanted to be the one to
do it, but eventually Michael was like, fuck it. So
Michael hit him in the head four times before handing
the hammer to Charles, who hit him two or three
more times.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Right, so they've had him like eight times with a
hammer on the.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Head, yeah, maybe around that number. Andre was still making noise,
so Michael hit him four more times what the fuck
with the hammer before dragging him into the hall where
Andre moved again, freaking them out because he is.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Like a legend. Yeah he's still not dead. I mean,
a hammer for fox ach.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I know. Michael hit him a few more times with
the hammer, but it wasn't working, So they tried to
strangle him with a wire hanger, Oh my god, then
a vacuum cleaner cord while jumping on his back.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
They're very bad at killing people, and Andre is tough as shit.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
He's a carpenter made of steel.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, eventually he died too. It took a lot to
kill him, but people took two people in pretty much
every method that they could come up with in their
fucking hair brain. I don't know why, the coyote schemes.
So they turned on the air conditioner the next day
so that the smell wouldn't get bad.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
But it does anyway.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, it takes it takes a wee while, but yeah.
Then they wrapped him up and put him in the
sofa and sofa yeah so like a lot of sofas
are hollow inside, especially the old fashioned ones. So they
put him in the sofa, then nailed aboard over that.
My god, Yeah, what.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
A stinky sofa.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Well it wasn't, I mean, it wasn't that long. So
it was like basically a day. Yeah, that day though,
like the next the day after he died, the building
manager made a surprise visit, sat on the sofa, I
noticed dark red puddles which they said were paint and
that they were clean it shortly as they were moving out,
Like I think he had come to like kind of
(30:06):
inspect the flat and see how it was because they
were moving out.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
So he saw blood. They said it was paint and
they said they were cleaning it. Mmm.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Red flag.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
It's a red flag, but he believed it. So they
used Andre's suv to dump the sofa in a swamp
before dropping off Theilma at her mother's and then they
went to New Orleans to work on the next steps
of their grand plan oh God, which remembers to take
over a prostitution ring.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
From the mafia I mean these people. Mm hmmm. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
When Andre didn't show up for work, his friend called
his parents and family, who were very worried. They hadn't
heard from him, and that was unusual because he was
like close with his family. Yeah, they printed flyers and
went out searching themselves, as the sheriff's office was not
helpful at this point. Again, when an adult goes missing,
it's really hard to yeah, because you have the right
(30:59):
to go missing if you want to, yep, And it's
really hard for the place. Yeah, So the police were
not helpful. Neither were the staff at the bar he
was last seen, and they were not cooperative. They didn't
want to help out, probably because they don't like getting
involved with shit that would then get them retaliated against
the other bar, smatched up or whatever. One of Andre's
(31:19):
sisters in California hadn't yet been told that Andrea was missing,
but had gone to visit a psychic for a reading
with a coworker of hers, Okay Rosemary Carer gave the
reading and when she called to tell her mother about
the reading and how accurate it was, the sister she
was then told that Andrea was missing, and her mom
asked her to go back to the psychic before she
(31:40):
flew home to join in the search. So psychic didn't
send anything at the time of the reading, but her
mom asked her to go back and just to please
ask if she senses anything. They were just desperate. Within
hours of the reading, based on what was said, Andre's
family were able to track down this suv and capture
the murderers. So the reading took place four days after
(32:02):
Andrea went missing, and his sister was asked to bring
his photo in a map of Louisiana. She took a
childhood photo of all the brothers with her that had
Andre Enna's That wasn't just Andrea, it was all the brothers, Okay,
Rosemarie had a talent for finding missing persons. She had
no info and rubbed the photo. She all of a
sudden had a horrible headache. She said her head was
killing her. Then she said she saw a black car truck,
(32:25):
which Andre's sister didn't understand and said he drove a
white car, but the psychic again insisted it was a
black and that she saw a man with long blonde hair,
which one of the murderers had who had some sort
of control over Andrea. She kept her eyes closed and
moved over the map with her fingers, saying she saw
a long beach and stretch of water, as well as
(32:46):
the number seven.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
So I know.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Turns out Andre's body would be found just off of
Eggsit seven, on a strip of sand in the swamp.
She told them to go to this town quickly. She
pointed out on a map and told them to go.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
To the town.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So the sister called her family and the family all
went out to the town and they just so happened
because the sister didn't know that he had sold his
car and got a truck. Yeah, that's why she kept saying,
like you no, he doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
So when they went to this town, they saw Andre's
truck in the town. On the way to the body location.
One of the family cars followed the murderers to a
dead end road while they were driving his truck. The
police were called and the car took off again. The
police happened to be part nearby. Didn't even this wasn't
even the call, Like they weren't even they weren't even
(33:37):
aware that they they had been called in, but they
just happened to be partner by saw the suv and
the family showing him the missing poster and gave chase.
So like the family stopped really quick quent like they're missing,
this is missing, and that's the car shit. So like
these criminals have the worst criminal Oh my god, criminally exactly,
they heard about a lot of bad They literally fucked
(34:03):
up every part of it and then drove by a cop.
So the cop gave chase and he pulled them over.
They had weapons and ammunition and they were taken into custody. Amazing, amazing.
Both suspects gave statements, with Charles, the ringleader, confessing, which
was gee.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Straight away over.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Worse crims and he was like, oh, and by the way,
here's where to find the body. So the autopsy of
Andre showed eleven skull fractures and strangulation from the court
and also bruising obviously on his back where they.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Were at distractured to skull eleven times. Yep.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
So Charles Blood guilty to second dream murder and life
with no probation. Michael pled guilty to second degree murder
and was sentenced to life in prison. Thelma claimed innocence,
but was also found guilty and sentenced to life. So
tough luck, Thelma, You're an asshole. Rosemary did actually they
testified the trial, did she yeah, And they used her
(35:03):
testimony in court and she was like, yeah, this is
what I saw and and she helped to convict them.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Oh my god, how can you not believe in the
shit now?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I know?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I mean, it was very, very exactly amazing that those
skills were able to find some finality and convict people.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And she was insistent that they had to go to
that town right now, and that is exactly where the
killers possibly know that that you couldn't know that they
could have.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Been anywhere in Louisiana. I got to love all this.
That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
So I actually got all of this adjustable, my psychic
told me. No. I listened to episode eighty two of
Crime Curious Podcasts, which covered this case and also the
La Times article from the seventh of February nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
That was awesome. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Thank you, and we're back.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
We are back for the longest say so, I.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Don't even think this is our longest episode ever. We're
back to conclude we are so recap.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Oh, this is going to be tough.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
So eleven skull fractures from a hammer for which he
kept being not from alive.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
After eleven skull fractures.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Eleven skull fractures and strangled him which is how he
actually died. Yes, with the hoover cord or vacuum clean
and they were on his back trying to make sure
so he.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Could breathe in.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, I hate them. I know, they're awful, awful human
beings and they have very bad plans.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh god, I mean, seriously, if you're going to do
a job, do it properly?
Speaker 3 (36:45):
You know, why bother not that I'm supporting this, nor
am I suggesting it. Why are you stealing a prostitution
ring from the mafia. Why don't you make your own like.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Just you know, keep your plans like, you know, simple
simple plans for simple minds. Yes, yes, don't just go
Oh here's a plan, let's go for the mafia. Mafia
not id and five a minute in that world. Oh,
by the way, I want to go to Sicily on honeymoon,
and David's refusing because of mafia links he has mafia
(37:15):
like because Cicily obviously is mafia linked.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Or does he plan on doing a long time ago,
I think you'll find Cicily is not full of mafia people.
It's full of people. Huh exactly. But no, wow, this
is this is still up for debate anyway. So yes,
And then we.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Have Melanie who was in a cart stopped light, ambushed
by three men. She was raped, beaten, she was raped,
beaten and hitting the head of the rock.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Oh, that's right, and it was that killed her.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That's right. God. I mean, the fracture skill thing really
freaks me fucking out. I mean, I've got to say,
really scared raped and being blunt fosh. Trauma really freaks
me out also, and I I can't ever pick rape.
I just can't, I know. So I'm gonna have to
go with your guy, even though it sounds fucking herrific.
(38:12):
And he is an absolute machine to still be alive
with eleven fractures to the skull.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I've been hit in the head work with a hammer,
albeit by my own hand.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
What I was gonna say, What the fuck? You haven't
told me this ever?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Okay, So my parents were, like I've said, catch and
released kind of parents. They just sort of let me go.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
And I was I.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Had a full on access to every single one of
my dad's carpentry tools and he had all the tools.
So I was using shit I shouldn't have been using
from the age of two three years old. And I
would take a hammer and I would go hit shit
just to see what would happen. Well, if you hit
a hammer off of something, yes, it sometimes bounces back. Yes,
(38:56):
and I have done. That's a idea. Do you know what,
It's happened more than twice, So you are con facing
this to the wadd that was a child, Okay, I
was stupid. My first swear word was hammer related.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Actually excellent, but yes, so I do love your childhood
so pretty funny.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
The I know what it feels like, not to the
degree that somebody else is doing it to me, but
I know what it feels like. So I am controversially
going to pick yours.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
The rape freaks me out. That's a shock.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I just can't do the hamp especially because, like if
it had knocked him out the first time, fair enough,
the fact that they kept going back three separate hammer
attacks and she's still alive, like oh, and he's just
trying to get away and he's got two people hammering. No,
I can't, I can't do it. Yeah, even though she
had horrifying and horrifying I still I think, because I
(39:55):
know the feeling of it and how much it hurts
and how disoriented you are, think I'm gonna I'm gonna
pick yours.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Well, disagreeing, we are disagree. I'm disagreeing for the first
time in a while. That feels more normal. Yeah, it
feels more normal. Yeah, that's definitely as in a life
comfort zone. Thank you for listening. It's a long old episode,
but yeahday I hope and parts Oh my god, you
have were at forty three minutes. Oh my god, you.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
What's new?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Well, since we last spoke, let me think I finished
my yogurt. That's good headlines, that's good news. You're on
a health kick. I'm on a health not kick.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm in the zone. Actually sad, it's amazing, but I'm
quite enjoying it. Went back to running. Running has always
been my thing. I got very leasy, as we all do.
But I've got right back into it because I have
summer goals. Yes, and it helps if you have a goal.
So yes, I'm into running. I think I'm in week three.
(00:59):
So hello, do you run for before you have to stop? Well,
I've gone back to couch to five k oh okay,
because I used to run five k's all the time. Yea,
And that was my thing for years and news and years,
and then I had the kids and then went back
to it briefly. But I kind of fell out of
love with running, I think, for a while. So I've
gone Now I've got I went right back to basics
and I'm doing couch to five k, which I'm really
(01:21):
enjoying and it properly works like it's nine weeks of
running program. We run three times a week along to
someone that coaches you and tells you everything to do,
how long to run and how long to rest and
have a restay in between and whatever. And honestly, you
can run five k's like no bother in nine weeks.
I can barely walk. Anybody can do it. I'm not
(01:43):
entirely sure that. One of their mutual friends on Facebook
as well was something we used to work with who
was not a runner at all, and she went, she
went onto it and she loved it. Yeah, and she's like,
I'm running for like twenty minutes at a time and
I'd never been able to do add my life. Yeah,
And it's true. You get to a point we can
we can run a five cane Like I think my
record probably was about twenty eight minutes back when I
(02:05):
was fitting hail seeing properly into it. But I think
you can run to have five caves in like twenty
five minutes or something really, which is awesome. And I
just think running for me, it's just like pop podcast
on pop your tunes on awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
See for me, you say with which marginer? Oh we
which murderer with the running podcast?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Now for me?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
We don't like I get such bad shin pain.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, I used to, but it's all about woman up properly.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Oh I don't have to try that. But like Thursday,
I walked ten k. Friday I worked ten k.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Did you see you're doing that for work? Yeah? I
was doing excite tours all right. I thought you meant
like you were doing like some sort of sponsored thing.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Oh god, no, it wasn't voluntary. I was really pissed
off about it.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Oh right, okay, fine, but it's still fitness, which is good.
It was satinus.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
But like I was telling the person I'm one of
my coworkers I was with, I was like, I do
this for fun on the weekends. When I have to
do it for work, it just makes me mad. Oh,
I guess a completely different kettle of fish. Plus it
was walking on like concrete, and it was just, yeah,
it's not us fun. So twenty k over those two days,
and then on the Sunday I went ice skating, and
I swear to god.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Ice skatings hard to work.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
It's hard work, and I don't ice skate properly like
I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I grew up doing it, but I've developed my own
way of ice skating, which is not the right way.
It's the same way I use chopsticks, which is my way,
not the right way.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
So I only skate with one skate.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Okay, do you not use bull snow?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
No? So I push off with my right and I
steer with my left. So I'm like a boat.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
This is something I want to see. So we are
going to do a podcast ice skating. I'm going to
film it. I'm going to show every Monday. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I don't know what point because I remember when I
was a little I used to boogy around that ice
so good.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I don't when I was younger, I did backwards, I
could do everything else. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
God help me. No, I'm like a sail boat now.
I have to like my my right leg is this
is the wind in the sails, and my left leg
is just the boat going straight down the ice.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Like is the most bizarre thing. This is something I
have to witness in life.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
My God, honestly, and all these little shits we're five
years old, like zoom and past on their little skates
and you're like, nah, bostards, little bastards. It's because you're
a center of gravity is so much. You're like holding
the penguin. I wasn't holding a penguin. I was not
holding a penguin. Were just being a boat. I was
being a sailboat. And then I would stop at like
(04:36):
sure quite a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Oh god, you get more feedful as you get older, though,
you really do. Are you watching the winters at Olympics? No,
my god, we've been We've been dipping an out of it.
I must say, we've been watching doing I don't know.
We usually do pretty good in winter. So by they
all I've seen is Italy doing very well enough, they
do very well. How does that work?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
No, they don't do well in summer. They do very
well in winter. They've got the fucking Alps.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Well, I know. But they predominantly come from a hot country.
Apart from that, I mean, do they what seventy it's hot?
Is it not?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I don't think it would be hot. They winter and
snow and shit.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, but not like winter Olympic snow. Yeah up in
the mountains yeah, and the mountains yeah, but not anywhere else.
But they don't need it everywhere the athletes in the mountains. Yeah,
but as as a country, as a whole, it's like
getting and sunny. No, but that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
They go skiing because they're so close to Switzerland, They're
so close to all those countries that love the winter sports.
They're so close to it that they can just pop over.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
But I've been watching it and it just takes me
back to my favorite, one of my favorite films of
all time, because obviously my favorite film of all time
is Willy Wonka. Okay, did not know that? You did
not know that? How can you? How can you be
friends me for all these years and don't know that
Willy Wonka is my favorite film of all time. My
favorite film is I going to go and take it?
Probably something like bloody and gory. I'm what is your
(06:01):
favorite Fela? I don't know. Yeah, take it back, take
you back? Okay, your favorite film is probably The Exoguist.
Isn't I even in the top fave? Shining? No? Is
it lighthearted? Is it Madey Poppins of music? I don't
(06:23):
know that.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
You're a terrible friend. Who I'm so sorry? Oh my god,
my favorite film is The Amadeus.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
What the fuck's that?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
This is a movie about Mozart?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Oh my god, snooze, It's not Snooze is about chocolate.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It's it's about somebody slowly being driven mad to the
point of death, I suppose, and you wouldn't be like hearts.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Okay, So going back to the Winter Olympics takes me
to my second favorite film, which is about the legend
that is John Candy and it's kill Runnings Riches Awesome.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I heard Jamaica is in it this year.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, yeah, Running. I actually watched it recently with the
kids for the first time. And you know how we
hit the kids to watch like one of your films.
He loved as and you worry that it doesn't and
some of them haven't. Yeah, but they loved it. Really,
they really liked it. Yeah, they really liked it. They
didn't unfortunately though they seen Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
with Johnny Depp before they seen Willy Wonka with Jane Wilder,
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and they did not like Willy Wonka.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah. Jane Wilder was really fucking creepy.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, so Johnny Depp though, I Ny Depp had a
touch with Michael Jackson's about massage. Yeah he did. No,
Sorry Michael Jackson fans, but you know, no, Yeah, a lot,
a lot is wrong there music musically fabulous? Yeah, not
musically not so fabulous.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I don't know. There's been some debate recently and a
lot of stuff's coming out that maybe those were false allegation.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Oh well, well you know, nothing has proven so fair enough. Yeah,
but a lot was said anyway. It was a bit
of a strange character, but it was musical genius. Yes,
he was absolutely yes, so way sidetracked as usual. How
the fuck did we even get here because I was
talking about Winter Olympics and Kill Runnings. Oh right, okay,
and I have to watch I'm gonna have to watch
Kill Runnings again because it's just it's just taking me
a bit back for yours. I mean, I watched it
(08:12):
last year and I found it so fucking funny. But
I love John Candy like I love Uncle Buck. He's Canadian.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
See Candy is Canadian? Did not know that?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Oh my god, I did not know that.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Did you not know our national Dead Treasures?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
He is awesome and he died really young, didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Hey, well yeah he was hard.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, yeah, he was not a healthy. Uncle Buck is
like one of the greatest things ever.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It's pretty cute and I love him.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
In the first home alone as well. Oh my god,
he helps the mom get home.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah, he's cute and that. Have you watched in Canto
yet the New Disney Room.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
No, I've not seen it. Have you've seen Luca? No,
I haven't seen that. That's awesome. That is awesome. Yes,
it's really really awesome. That was the last kind of
Big Disney one i'd seen. But I've not seen in Canto.
Oh it's so good. But I was like bawling at
the end. It's on Disney Plus. Yeah, I've got that,
so I'll watch it. Is amazing. Oh but have we
got time to talk? One will tell you? Or we
went on too much?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I mean nine minutes worth of movies. Sorry, guys, there
is murder coming up.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well I can talk about this another time now, because
I want to know a TV show. We always wanted
a TV show that we could watch the family together
and we probably enjoy it, the four of us. And
I've never seen this, and Dave had seen it and
thought we need to watch this together. So we went
back to watch the very beginning of Malcolm in the Middle.
Oh my god, oh my god. We're all loving it,
and the boys are like, what do you watch for
(09:29):
The Malcolm. When you watch on The Malcolm, Yeah, it
is so good and I've never ever seen it so
and David seen some of it, but we're now only
I think we're nearly on the third season and we're
loving it. I had no idea that Brian Canston was dad. Yeah, no,
I know. I was like, oh my god, Briankknson. Dave's like, yeah, yeah,
I had no idea. I knew like who Malcolm was,
(09:52):
I knew of him when I was younger, but I
had no idea of the dad and he is absolutely
brilliant and it's so funny in it. But they're all
brilliant in the individually, Like the mum's brilliant as well.
Love the Mum, but it's so funny because like the Mum,
people keep saying similarities to me and the mum. I
could say that, I could say that she's like a
bit crazy and chit's a bit. Yeah. Yeah, we're absolutely
(10:13):
loving it. Sorry, sorry, everybody. We've talked about TV and
films for night. Yes, yeah, you could just fast forward.
That was too week. However, we are going to talk
about another listener suggestion right, which was Cheryl again, Oh
thank you Thank you, Cheryl. Come back anytime with suggestions.
Please have months of suggestions, which is awesome, so good.
And it's is murders solved by psychic, which I was
(10:37):
well into this one, I mean, and I want to
visit a psychic so badly. I wonder if my guy
is still taking but nobody, you know, there's like years
of waiting, lasts or whatever else. And I really so
badly want to visit one because I love it. I
just I believe in it all about it all. I
love it.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I don't necessarily believe it all. But I waited two
years to go see a guy and he was amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I mean, I'm not waiting two years and most impatient
person in the world anyway, But I mean, I really
want to see someone. Anyway, I shall carry on. So
I'm first this week, Yes you are. And my murder
served by Psye Cake involves a lady whose name is Melanie. Personally,
I think that's a fabulous name. Her name is Melanie Uribe.
(11:19):
How would you say you are ibe? Uriby?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Are ib r ib r ib urebe sonybys family or America?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Okay, So I'll just call it Melanie from now on. Okay.
Melanie Uribe was born on the ninth September nineteen forty
eight in Burbank, California. She was a divorced, single mother
of an eight year old son, and she worked as
a nurse at the hospital in burn Bank, Burn Bank,
Burn Banks, Barbank at the Pasioma Hospital in Burbank. On
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December the fifteenth, nineteen eighty, Melanie went missing on her
way into work the night shift. When she failed to
show up, the hospital called her house phone, but no
one answered. After not coming into work at any point
throughout the shift, her employer decided to call the police.
She was known to be very reliable and punctual, so
not showing up for a shift, especially when she had
(12:14):
a job as important as being a nurse, was just
not normal for it at all. Right. Police went to
her home, where the talked to her roommate, who said
they had not seen her since she had left for work.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
This would have been like the sixties, right, She's born
in nineteen forty so yes, yeah, the sixties, they would
actually care if you didn't show up to work. I'd
like go check on you.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Now they don't give a shit, She described her Where
was I Oh, yeah. They talked to her roommate, who
said they hadn't seen her since she left her work.
She described Melanie to police as being about five foot
two and she's tall, blonde, and was last seen wearing
a white uniform, leather jacket, and a brown sweater when
she left the apartment to go to work. The next morning,
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police found Melanie's truck with her nurse's uniform in it,
but no sign of Melanie. The truck had been set
on fire. Initially, police weren't sure if Melanie was dead
and alive. They searched the area and found no other
trace of her, so they put out a media lat
on TV and radio, and it wasn't long before they
received calls from witnesses and said that they heard a
woman's screaming and watched these two men force their way
(13:13):
into the women's truck and drove away.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
They watched, they.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Saw that happen. They didn't call police, no, not until
they heard disappear in radio. But then sometimes it takes
that to triger people's memory. Or maybe I mean, someone's
screaming and been dragged into a truck by two our
men and it's a female, You should be fucking active
on that. Yeah, I would like to think. That same
day that I absolutely loved that. I love this story,
love it. That same day, a thirty two year old
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aerospace worker by the name of Etta Smith, also from Burbank,
was listening to the radio work when she heard the
news bulleting about Meleanie come up and talk about her
disappearance and how they'd found her truck on a dead
end street, but we're still looking for her. She heard
how police had search the area, including the houses nearby,
and at that point she heard her voice in her
(14:02):
head say, she's not in a house. Oh. And as
soon as she had that thought, she then had a
clear visual in her head of where Melanie was. Oh.
In her vision, she saw a canyon and a curving road,
some shrubberry hills in the backdrop, and a dirt path
leading to something white. She didn't know the name of
(14:22):
the location or anything more than that, but she did
a very clear vision, almost like a movie scene in
her head. Oh.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
ESAs never claimed to be a psychic. I was going
to say, is she even a psychic?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
No, this was something new to her, so she argued
with herself over what to do with the vision. She
didn't want to come off as crazy, but what she
had just seen in her head was so clear, and
she had this pulling feeling like she just would be
able to live with herself if she didn't tell the
police what she saw. So there's obviously great danger of
her sounding like a crazy lady. In the end, though,
she decided to leave work a little early and tell
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the authorities about her vision. At this point, she didn't
really if anyone thought she was nuts. The feeling that,
the pulling feeling that she had was so strong that
she had to do the right thing. Oh my god.
She went to the police station and told him that
she had a vision about where the missing person was.
She described the location in great detail, and the officer
knew of where she was referring to. She was able
(15:15):
to pinpoint the spot in a map, which was a
remote part of the San Fernando Valley in the Lopez Canyon.
As it turned out, the police had not searched that area,
but the detective in charge assured Eta that they would.
Of course, detectives were really skeptical of this scheming. I
can't speak, really skeptical of this seemingly random woman walking
(15:36):
into a police station talking about a vision she'd had. Yeah,
of course he would be. But they checked Etta out
and she was a business woman with a top security clearance.
She obviously she worked near a space. She wasn't just
like this randomer off the street of whatever else. She
had credibility, She did a good reputation, so they took her,
took down information and decided promise to would act on it.
The officer instructed her to be back at the station
(15:57):
the following morning at seven am and have a helicopter
from the Air Support Division there to take them up
into the area and sept it. Even though the officer
said they would have a look at the area in
the morning, Etta felt she had to go to the
location for herself, just to ensure that I had been checked.
She said about the pulling, feeling that something inside of
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her thought that they wouldn't check it in time, and
she didn't know if the victim was dead and alive,
but she just felt so strongly that she had to
be there and somebody had to be there to help
in case the victim was alive, And she felt an
overwhelming sort of sense of someone had to get there
straight away, and she couldn't leave it, but she couldn't
rest until she'd acted on it, so she went to
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the canyon. She had no idea, obviously at that point,
if anything was going to be there at all, or
if she was losing her mind. Yeah, but she just
kept referring to this vision in her head and what
she'd seen, so without really thinking it through, she went
back home, picked her kids up. Her kids were nine
or ten years old at the time, loaded them into
the car with her twenty year old niece, and drove
to the spot from her. As she got closer to
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the location, she says she began to feel again Melanie's presence,
confirming to her that she was somewhere in the canyon.
She spottied a fresh set of car tracks. Instinctively, something
told her to stop the car, so she got out
of the van and went to take a closer look
at the set of tire tracks. She put her fingers
into the impressions in the dirt, and as soon as
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they touched the dirt, she said, it was like almost
an electrifying feeling. Oh my god, that she could feel
all kinds of trauma. Assuming this from Melanie giving her
a sign that she was on the right track, right,
This is so weird, but so interesting. She followed the
tracks as she felt something pulling her in that direction,
and at that point ETA's daughter said she spotted something
(17:43):
in the bush. As they got closer, Eta could tell
that it was in fact a body, and all she
could really make out was the white nushing shoes sticking
out from under the bush. She knew it had to
be Melanie, and she looked around the location. Everything was
exactly it been in her vision. She called police, who
eye in the scene quickly, and an autopsy determined that
the body was indeed Melanie. She had been robbed, raped,
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and beaten to death. She was stripped, naked and left
in the canyon, just like es I'd seen in her vision. However,
Melanie's killers remained at large. Police didn't have anyone in custoday,
and the only real leads they had to go on
at this point was the witness who said they saw
two men jump into her truck. They wondered exactly though,
how Eta knew so much about where Melanie's body could be. Yeah,
(18:28):
that's my first thought. Is very suspicious, Yeah, especially whether
it have anything else to go on. Her description was
too accurate. They thought, and they felt it was so
accurate that really she really had to be rous witnessed
and questioned. There'd been nothing in the papers indicating any
clues about this, so the police thought, how could she
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possibly know all this? How could you have this vision
and know all this? The case was going nowhere, There'd
been no reports, so how could she know so much?
Now that they were in this deserted area with her,
all the suspicions really fell on her. I would They
called Etta into the police station that evening questioned her
a number of times. Etta said. The two detectives that
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sat down with her wanted her to explain the whole thing,
how the whole thing unfolded, and they were quite disturbed
at how it seems so normal to her they've had
this vision, even though she claimed not to be psychic. Yeah,
she said. She finished telling them everything over and over again,
filled in all the blanks, and they made her start
at the beginning countless times. That's normal because obviously they're
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thinking there's going to be some flaws a paring. She's
not going to remember exactly, she said, every single time,
But she did, and they would make her tell the
story again and again and again went on for hours
and hours, and then it became very obvious to her
that she was now the primes.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
That had Yeah, I would be my main fair coming
forward if I had a.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Taking a real chance. So especially if it's that clearing
her head and it's that accurate. The police felt she
knew too much to not be involved in it, and
even if she wasn't the one who visited killed Melanie,
they believed she was some sort of necessity to a crime,
either before or after the murder. YEP, she was intedicated
for ten hours. She couldn't really explain to them why
(20:10):
or how she had the vision, but she denied having
any involvement throughout the entire interview. They asked her to
take two polygraph exams. She passed both. Yeah, but the
thing with polygraphs is they're not one hundred percent accurate police.
I mean, the police feel accurate enough.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
It's an indication, yeah, but sometimes, but it's not inconclusion.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Nothing's feel proof. There was it really no no. If
someone fails the test, obviously the focus on that person.
But she passed it twice. However, if the person passes
the test, they may still not be uiled out as
a suspect, and that's exactly what happened. The detectives believed
she was trying to deceive the polygraph by attempting to
hold her breath, and so they even went as far
as to tell her that she'd failed the test, just
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to see they could get her to finally crack and
tell them what they wanted to hear. But she didn't.
But she didn't crack, she didn't break, She didn't provide
them with anything that they want. However, they still arrested
and charged her as a necessity to murder, and she
was locked up for four days. She was a mom
of two, obviously a respectable member of the community, so
being in jail for four days obviously had quite a
(21:12):
grulling effect on her. But lucky for her, always about
to be revealed, a police informant came forward and said
they'd heard one of the killers bragging about the murder
in the neighborhood, talking about how he and his friends
were the real murderers and they were getting away with it.
The man, who apparently couldn't keep his mouth shut, was
arrested and quickly turned on his co conspirator, the real killers.
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It turns out were a seventeen year old minor who
was not identified due to his age, and a man
called Spencer Nelson who was twenty one, and Lewis Carnell Morgan,
who was twenty and just like the witness had described,
the men jumped into Melanie's truck while she was at
a stoplight and made her drive into the canyon about
fifteen miles away. They then raped her and beat her
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to dead with a rock while she begged for her life.
She died a horrible death due to blunt folds trauma
to the head. With this book and profession, Etta was
released from jail. Police had determined that she had no
connection to the perpetrators of the murder, even though they
couldn't rationally explain how she'd known about everything that she'd said.
Etta again at the end, said she had no explanation
(22:15):
for her sudden on sexci capabilities. She said she wonders
why the events transpired in her head. She has no
idea how it happened, and she just thinks that one
of these mysterious things in life that she just happened
that you can't explain, yeh, which is so weird. It
was so accurate She went on to file a wrongful
arrest suit against the police. She won damages because of that,
(22:35):
in the region of seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
One narrative that kept coming up during the trial was
that Eta just wanted to be famous, and that maybe
she'd overheard one of the killers talking about it and
she made up the elaborate story herself, but there was
never an evidence of that. She denied having any desire
to become famous during the trial or finding the body,
and an undercover police officer that was putting a cell
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with Etta said that she talked about writing a book
and make a movie from an experience, which again was
proven to be false. Right in the end, she was
water of damages. She has never had any other visions
like that since. She's gone on to live a real, littile,
normal life after that.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
The three killers were all convicted shortly afterwards and all
received life in prison. Good, but the miner's never been named.
Seventeen year olds, now, that's quite young to be doing that.
And I got all that information from various websites. One
was called two activist dot com, the other was called
medium dot com. Oh, I love that one which I
had never come across before, but I'm so interesting. Another
one was called Unsolved Mysteries dot fandom dot com is
(23:38):
very interesting. But that is the story of Eta and
her very clear vision that she kind of explain so spooky.
I love it, and we're back. We are back. Melanie
is currently being the usual fidget and moving all the
equipment around Welsh recording. Holly's in the corner giving her
the eyes.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
There was some incidents with our last recording, all four
episodes that we recorded last time, and I put the
microphones really close to both our faces, which we proceeded
to slam our faces off the microphones a few times.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, face planted head, budtied everything and oh, I just
did again.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
It genuinely sounds like somebody is knocking the wall down
when that happens.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
But you do a fabulous job of vaditing out all
my misdemeanors and it has a.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Lot well there's a few of mine as well. So
my story is about somebody called can't wait to hear this?
Loving this subject.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I love the subject.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Andre daegel Oh, who was a twenty seven year old
carpenter in June of nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Oh so philly decent, not too far away. No, we'll
feely decent for us.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I made fairly reason for us. It's still like thirty
odd years ago. But sure you forget the eighties with
that long ago.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I know shit, I know u.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
And he was housitting for his brother at the time
of his death.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Oh so. He was described as.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
A very kind man and he was the sort of
person who would help anyone in need, no matter what
the circumstances. Oh, it's just like a real sweetheart.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
He sounds like a lovely guy.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I think all carpenters are. I've never met a nasty carpenter.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
No little helpful people.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, Legian's old. So on June ninth, nineteen eighty seven,
he met up with his friend and they went to
dinner and then to play pool and have drinks, which
sounds like an awesome night.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Excellent love about pool.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
He was in New Orleans, Louisiana at the time, so
while at the bar for drinks, Andre's friend noticed him
talking to a woman named Thelma, who said she needed
a ride as they were leaving so that she could
go and check in on a friend of hers. Okay,
so of course, him, being the friendly man that he was,
was like, oh, okay, and she's like, well, my friend's pregnant.
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I'm worried about her. He's like, oh, yeah, i'll take you.
I'll definitely take you because yeah, like he's just he
was just a kind person who would literally help anyone.
He agreed to drop her off and they left in
his black ass uv going to an apartment complex where
she said the pregnant friend was living. Okay, so Andre
went to the apartment with her. Nobody really knows why
he went with her, but maybe he was just making
(26:10):
sure that she got up there, Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Charles Gervay was also twenty seven and had been raised
by an Abusa father, and he had been in trouble
with the law since his teens. He had only been
out of prison for a few months on the night
that Andre went into Thelma's apartment to help her with
her supposed pregnant friends.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
When Andre went into the apartment, Charles was waiting with
another man named Michael Phillips. Okay, this was all a
set up. Thelma, Charles, and Michael were all living together
in the apartment. There was no pregnant friend, Michael and
Thelma were in a relationship, and the other guy was
just like a third wheel.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
There are quite a few versions as to what happened next,
but it was generally agreed by no putting the little
pieces together that Charles was very influential and was the
leader of the group.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
He set out a plan for the three to obtain cash, weapons,
and a vehicle before going to Houston to take over
a prostitution ring after wiping out a mafia family who
controlled it. Oh, he had big plans and he seemed
to you know, have them planned out. However, I'm not
entirely sure that's the best plan for your future. No, No,
(27:21):
So Charles decided that in order to prove trust, they
would have to kill someone like Oh, okay, you know
eat plan gang initiation. So that's why Thelma had lured
Andre to the apartment. She left him while pretending to
check on her pregnant friend up in the bedroom.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I was always the nice people.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
That's always the nice people. I know, it doesn't pay
to be nice. Everybody just be horrible. That's terrible advice,
don't do it. So she pretended to go check on
her pregnant friend, and he fell asleep on the couch
while waiting for her. I assume because he'd had a
few drinks, like he was maybe just a week as sleepy.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Meanwhile, Charles and Michael were nearby with a hammer. It
hesitated for a few hours. So this guy's sleeping on
the couch and they're standing around with a hammer going out,
you do it, you do it, you do.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It, you do I mean, that is just fucking freaky.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
It is freaky. They were going back and forth like
neither one of them wanted to be the one to
do it, but eventually Michael was like, fuck it. So
Michael hit him in the head four times before handing
the hammer to Charles, who hit him two or three
more times.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Right, so they've had him like eight times with a
hammer on the.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Head, yeah, maybe around that number. Andre was still making noise,
so Michael hit him four more times what the fuck
with the hammer before dragging him into the hall where
Andre moved again, freaking them out because he is.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Like a legend. Yeah he's still not dead. I mean,
a hammer for fox ach.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I know. Michael hit him a few more times with
the hammer, but it wasn't working, So they tried to
strangle him with a wire hanger, Oh my god, then
a vacuum cleaner cord while jumping on his back.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
They're very bad at killing people, and Andre is tough as shit.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
He's a carpenter made of steel.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, eventually he died too. It took a lot to
kill him, but people took two people in pretty much
every method that they could come up with in their
fucking hair brain. I don't know why, the coyote schemes.
So they turned on the air conditioner the next day
so that the smell wouldn't get bad.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
But it does anyway.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, it takes it takes a wee while, but yeah.
Then they wrapped him up and put him in the
sofa and sofa yeah so like a lot of sofas
are hollow inside, especially the old fashioned ones. So they
put him in the sofa, then nailed aboard over that.
My god, Yeah, what.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
A stinky sofa.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Well it wasn't, I mean, it wasn't that long. So
it was like basically a day. Yeah, that day though,
like the next the day after he died, the building
manager made a surprise visit, sat on the sofa, I
noticed dark red puddles which they said were paint and
that they were clean it shortly as they were moving out,
Like I think he had come to like kind of
(30:06):
inspect the flat and see how it was because they
were moving out.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
So he saw blood. They said it was paint and
they said they were cleaning it. Mmm.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Red flag.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
It's a red flag, but he believed it. So they
used Andre's suv to dump the sofa in a swamp
before dropping off Theilma at her mother's and then they
went to New Orleans to work on the next steps
of their grand plan oh God, which remembers to take
over a prostitution ring.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
From the mafia I mean these people. Mm hmmm. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
When Andre didn't show up for work, his friend called
his parents and family, who were very worried. They hadn't
heard from him, and that was unusual because he was
like close with his family. Yeah, they printed flyers and
went out searching themselves, as the sheriff's office was not
helpful at this point. Again, when an adult goes missing,
it's really hard to yeah, because you have the right
(30:59):
to go missing if you want to, yep, And it's
really hard for the place. Yeah, So the police were
not helpful. Neither were the staff at the bar he
was last seen, and they were not cooperative. They didn't
want to help out, probably because they don't like getting
involved with shit that would then get them retaliated against
the other bar, smatched up or whatever. One of Andre's
(31:19):
sisters in California hadn't yet been told that Andrea was missing,
but had gone to visit a psychic for a reading
with a coworker of hers, Okay Rosemary Carer gave the
reading and when she called to tell her mother about
the reading and how accurate it was, the sister she
was then told that Andrea was missing, and her mom
asked her to go back to the psychic before she
(31:40):
flew home to join in the search. So psychic didn't
send anything at the time of the reading, but her
mom asked her to go back and just to please
ask if she senses anything. They were just desperate. Within
hours of the reading, based on what was said, Andre's
family were able to track down this suv and capture
the murderers. So the reading took place four days after
(32:02):
Andrea went missing, and his sister was asked to bring
his photo in a map of Louisiana. She took a
childhood photo of all the brothers with her that had
Andre Enna's That wasn't just Andrea, it was all the brothers, Okay,
Rosemarie had a talent for finding missing persons. She had
no info and rubbed the photo. She all of a
sudden had a horrible headache. She said her head was
killing her. Then she said she saw a black car truck,
(32:25):
which Andre's sister didn't understand and said he drove a
white car, but the psychic again insisted it was a
black and that she saw a man with long blonde hair,
which one of the murderers had who had some sort
of control over Andrea. She kept her eyes closed and
moved over the map with her fingers, saying she saw
a long beach and stretch of water, as well as
(32:46):
the number seven.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
So I know.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Turns out Andre's body would be found just off of
Eggsit seven, on a strip of sand in the swamp.
She told them to go to this town quickly. She
pointed out on a map and told them to go.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
To the town.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So the sister called her family and the family all
went out to the town and they just so happened
because the sister didn't know that he had sold his
car and got a truck. Yeah, that's why she kept saying,
like you no, he doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
So when they went to this town, they saw Andre's
truck in the town. On the way to the body location.
One of the family cars followed the murderers to a
dead end road while they were driving his truck. The
police were called and the car took off again. The
police happened to be part nearby. Didn't even this wasn't
even the call, Like they weren't even they weren't even
(33:37):
aware that they they had been called in, but they
just happened to be partner by saw the suv and
the family showing him the missing poster and gave chase.
So like the family stopped really quick quent like they're missing,
this is missing, and that's the car shit. So like
these criminals have the worst criminal Oh my god, criminally exactly,
they heard about a lot of bad They literally fucked
(34:03):
up every part of it and then drove by a cop.
So the cop gave chase and he pulled them over.
They had weapons and ammunition and they were taken into custody. Amazing, amazing.
Both suspects gave statements, with Charles, the ringleader, confessing, which
was gee.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Straight away over.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Worse crims and he was like, oh, and by the way,
here's where to find the body. So the autopsy of
Andre showed eleven skull fractures and strangulation from the court
and also bruising obviously on his back where they.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Were at distractured to skull eleven times. Yep.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
So Charles Blood guilty to second dream murder and life
with no probation. Michael pled guilty to second degree murder
and was sentenced to life in prison. Thelma claimed innocence,
but was also found guilty and sentenced to life. So
tough luck, Thelma, You're an asshole. Rosemary did actually they
testified the trial, did she yeah, And they used her
(35:03):
testimony in court and she was like, yeah, this is
what I saw and and she helped to convict them.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Oh my god, how can you not believe in the
shit now?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I know?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I mean, it was very, very exactly amazing that those
skills were able to find some finality and convict people.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And she was insistent that they had to go to
that town right now, and that is exactly where the
killers possibly know that that you couldn't know that they
could have.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Been anywhere in Louisiana. I got to love all this.
That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
So I actually got all of this adjustable, my psychic
told me. No. I listened to episode eighty two of
Crime Curious Podcasts, which covered this case and also the
La Times article from the seventh of February nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
That was awesome. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Thank you, and we're back.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
We are back for the longest say so, I.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Don't even think this is our longest episode ever. We're
back to conclude we are so recap.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Oh, this is going to be tough.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
So eleven skull fractures from a hammer for which he
kept being not from alive.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
After eleven skull fractures.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Eleven skull fractures and strangled him which is how he
actually died. Yes, with the hoover cord or vacuum clean
and they were on his back trying to make sure
so he.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Could breathe in.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, I hate them. I know, they're awful, awful human
beings and they have very bad plans.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh god, I mean, seriously, if you're going to do
a job, do it properly?
Speaker 3 (36:45):
You know, why bother not that I'm supporting this, nor
am I suggesting it. Why are you stealing a prostitution
ring from the mafia. Why don't you make your own like.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Just you know, keep your plans like, you know, simple
simple plans for simple minds. Yes, yes, don't just go
Oh here's a plan, let's go for the mafia. Mafia
not id and five a minute in that world. Oh,
by the way, I want to go to Sicily on honeymoon,
and David's refusing because of mafia links he has mafia
(37:15):
like because Cicily obviously is mafia linked.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Or does he plan on doing a long time ago,
I think you'll find Cicily is not full of mafia people.
It's full of people. Huh exactly. But no, wow, this
is this is still up for debate anyway. So yes,
And then we.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Have Melanie who was in a cart stopped light, ambushed
by three men. She was raped, beaten, she was raped,
beaten and hitting the head of the rock.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Oh, that's right, and it was that killed her.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That's right. God. I mean, the fracture skill thing really
freaks me fucking out. I mean, I've got to say,
really scared raped and being blunt fosh. Trauma really freaks
me out also, and I I can't ever pick rape.
I just can't, I know. So I'm gonna have to
go with your guy, even though it sounds fucking herrific.
(38:12):
And he is an absolute machine to still be alive
with eleven fractures to the skull.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I've been hit in the head work with a hammer,
albeit by my own hand.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
What I was gonna say, What the fuck? You haven't
told me this ever?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Okay, So my parents were, like I've said, catch and
released kind of parents. They just sort of let me go.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
And I was I.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Had a full on access to every single one of
my dad's carpentry tools and he had all the tools.
So I was using shit I shouldn't have been using
from the age of two three years old. And I
would take a hammer and I would go hit shit
just to see what would happen. Well, if you hit
a hammer off of something, yes, it sometimes bounces back. Yes,
(38:56):
and I have done. That's a idea. Do you know what,
It's happened more than twice, So you are con facing
this to the wadd that was a child, Okay, I
was stupid. My first swear word was hammer related.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Actually excellent, but yes, so I do love your childhood
so pretty funny.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
The I know what it feels like, not to the
degree that somebody else is doing it to me, but
I know what it feels like. So I am controversially
going to pick yours.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
The rape freaks me out. That's a shock.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I just can't do the hamp especially because, like if
it had knocked him out the first time, fair enough,
the fact that they kept going back three separate hammer
attacks and she's still alive, like oh, and he's just
trying to get away and he's got two people hammering. No,
I can't, I can't do it. Yeah, even though she
had horrifying and horrifying I still I think, because I
(39:55):
know the feeling of it and how much it hurts
and how disoriented you are, think I'm gonna I'm gonna
pick yours.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Well, disagreeing, we are disagree. I'm disagreeing for the first
time in a while. That feels more normal. Yeah, it
feels more normal. Yeah, that's definitely as in a life
comfort zone. Thank you for listening. It's a long old episode,
but yeahday I hope and parts Oh my god, you
have were at forty three minutes. Oh my god, you.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
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Speaker 2 (40:39):
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