February 27, 2025 • 26 mins
Which Murderer Flashback Episode!
In Which Murderer’s 36th episode of Season 6, the girls cover Paranormal Murders. Mel starts us off with a story about the Hammersmith Ghost, before Holly terrifies you with the Greenbrier Ghost story.
Emma Jo suggested this week's episode - thanks so much! It was a blast to research.
In this week’s episode you find out that Holly quote, ‘loves paranormal shit!’, Jesus is claimed, there are some excellent TV recommendations, you are advised not to wear white and Holly wants to name your babies please.
Production, recording and post production completed by Holly who has asked Consulting Producer Craig to wear a white sheet to all future podcast recordings.
Holly edited this week. All complaints should be sent directly to Mel while Consulting Producer Craig puts a white sheet on the closest stranger and makes a run for it.
Big thank you to all our listeners for subscribing, leaving fantastic reviews and sending in great theme suggestions.
WE HAVE MERCH! www.whichmurderer.com - CLICK ON THE MERCHANDISE TAB FOR A LINK!
WARNING - Explicit language, content and themes (plus whatever else will cover us legally). All opinions stated are our own and case information was gathered from legitimate sources within the public realm.
Pre-recorded in Scotland
In Which Murderer’s 36th episode of Season 6, the girls cover Paranormal Murders. Mel starts us off with a story about the Hammersmith Ghost, before Holly terrifies you with the Greenbrier Ghost story.
Emma Jo suggested this week's episode - thanks so much! It was a blast to research.
In this week’s episode you find out that Holly quote, ‘loves paranormal shit!’, Jesus is claimed, there are some excellent TV recommendations, you are advised not to wear white and Holly wants to name your babies please.
Production, recording and post production completed by Holly who has asked Consulting Producer Craig to wear a white sheet to all future podcast recordings.
Holly edited this week. All complaints should be sent directly to Mel while Consulting Producer Craig puts a white sheet on the closest stranger and makes a run for it.
Big thank you to all our listeners for subscribing, leaving fantastic reviews and sending in great theme suggestions.
WE HAVE MERCH! www.whichmurderer.com - CLICK ON THE MERCHANDISE TAB FOR A LINK!
WARNING - Explicit language, content and themes (plus whatever else will cover us legally). All opinions stated are our own and case information was gathered from legitimate sources within the public realm.
Pre-recorded in Scotland
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
A girl.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
If you like good afternoon, Now, good afternoon.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I am? Well, we are Witch margin Wow. We are the.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Quick Podcast, and today we're going to be discussing paranormal murders.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I loved this so much.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Did you? It was very I've got a really interesting one.
And this was suggested by our love listener.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Jo Emma Joe. Thank you and guys, more of this.
I love the paranormal shit.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I wondered when A googled this to research. I wonder
what it would bring up and would be anything good?
But I quite enjoyed it. Well, you picked the very
good one. You picked like one of the very first
results on the page. I did, yes, which always helps.
Yeah TV recommendation. Oh, so we have started watching something
(01:07):
that I've read about which is very well reviewed on
IMDb and Rotten to Metals and everything. And it's called Snowfall,
which I had never heard of. It is about the
early days of the crack cocaine epidemic in Los Angeles
and eighties. So I think it's been running for about
(01:28):
six or seven years, and there's six seasons of it,
and I think it's been shown on fex and Hulu
in America and that was all night player here. But
it's very good. Okay, interesting, Okay, I very much enjoyed it.
Did you watch the big one on Netflix that we all.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Spoke about, which one the what was it.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Called American Murder? American I'm just checking to the one
about the dog Hugh about American Nightmare. Yes, Oh that
was good.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Oh that was fair.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You thought you'd suss it all out and oh my.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
God, I still have suspicions about that, which I haven't
discussed in the group because some suspicions I can't tell
you on air because we'll ruin it for people. You
guys need to go watch any.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Good and it's still like one of the top most
to views things on Netflix. But it's very very good.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
American Nightmare? Is it? American Nightmare? Go watch it and
then come to our discussion group so that I can
talk about it finally with people, because our stupid friend
group never wanted.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
One is on my list also, and it's Griselda. I
started it looks really good. See, we didn't want to
start watching it because we're so into this other drug
one that we thought we'll get confused.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, I'm on episode two of that.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
She Sophievergea looks looks like so different in it. She
is apparently Gazelda's real family are not happy because they've
said that the way they've made her their mother look
is not how she actually looked. It made it look
much worse in the program than she actually looked in
real life.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I don't know. I mean, that's kind of mean for Sophia.
But yeah, oh, you mean like worse behavior or worse looking,
the worst looking. Oh so, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'm not seeing any pictures of it in real life,
so I don't know. I mean, it looks very good.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I think that the age she's playing Sophia is probably
older than what than what the woman was maybe, but
I still think she looks good.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, but that looks good too, So it's good.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
You've watched how anyone to I'm on the second one.
I think, yeah, second or third say, it looks quite good.
It's quite good. It's yeah, it's not your it's not
what I thought it was going to be. Put it
that way, but it's going in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Good.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, oh good.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I'll love a TV recommendation. So that's for this, for
this lot, of this block of recording. Yes, we recommended
some teley, which you always do and it's excellent. Ye.
Any other recommendations, No, I just really want to finish
this episode so I can talk to you about America
night right now, Okay, let's go. So I'm going to
talk about the hammer Smith ghost. Yeah, which was an
interesting one. So from November eighteen oh three, a number
(04:05):
of people in the area of Hammersmith in London claimed
to have seen and some to have been attacked by
a ghost. Local people said the ghost was of a
man who had died by suicide the previous year and
had been buried in Hammersmith Churchyard. The contemporary belief was
that the suicide victims should not be well, oh yeah,
the contemporary belief was that suicide victims should not be
(04:25):
buried in consecrated ground, as their souls would not then
be at rest.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think that's still the same for Catholic, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The ghost was the thread as being very tall and
dressed in an all white but was also said to
wear a calfskin garment with horns and large glass eyes
at other times, so that's quite different a little bit
scary stories about the ghosts began to circulate. Two women,
one elderly and the other pregnant, were reported to have
been seized by the ghost on separate occasions while walking
(04:55):
near the churchyard. They were apparently so frightened they both
died from shock a few days afterwards. A brewers servant,
which I don't know what that is. What's a brewer servant?
So a servant would be someone that works the brewery.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I think that they serve.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Oh, seve at the bar, the bard bar man. I love,
I just love brewer servant.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
A brewer servant called Thomas Groom was walking through the
churchyard with a companion one night, and he claims that
something rose behind a tombstone and seized him by the throat.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh there we go.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So a few a year or two after that, I believe.
I think it was about eighteen oh four eighteen o
five a night watchman called William Girdler saw the ghost
while working near his position in beaver Lane and gave chase.
The ghosts, threw off its shroud and managed to escape.
(05:49):
London at the time did not have an organized police force,
and many people were very, very frightened. According to William,
about what we've seen that night and what been happening,
and rumors have been circulating. Yes, several citizens formed arm
patrols in the hope of apperending the ghost. While William
was running around that evening, crowds had began to form
(06:11):
and more suspicion grew about the ghost. Third of January.
A few weeks after that, William met one of the
armed citizens patrolling the area. He was twenty nine years
old and he was called Francis Smith. Francis was armed
with a shotgun and he told William that he was
going to look for the supposed ghost, and William agreed
to help. They had a look and then the gaged
(06:33):
to go their separate ways. Just after eleven o'clock in
the same evening, Francis encountered someone called Thomas Millwood, who
was a bricklayer. He was wearing normal white clothing from
the brick laying trade. His linen trousers were entirely white
and a waistcoat of white flannel and a white apron.
(06:53):
Con foundering about Thomas had been heading home from a
visit to his parents and sister. According to Thomas's sister,
Immediately after her brother set off, she heard Francis challenging him,
saying who are you and what are you? And if
you don't tell me, I'll shoot you, after which Francis
shot him on the left of the lord jaw and
(07:14):
killed him. So he's obviously been wearing white. He's a bricklayer.
Francis has seen him and assumed he's a ghost.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
People were real dumb back then.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
After hearing the shot, a neighbor met Francis and Francis
was very agitated, and the neighbor said to him and
advise him to turn around and go home. Meanwhile, a
police constable arrived at the scene and took Francis out
into custody. Thomas's body was carried to an inn with
a sergeant examined the body and pronounced him death to
(07:46):
be the result that he was dead as a result
of a gunshot wound on the left side of his
lord jaw with a small shot which penetrated the vertebrae
of his neck and injured the spinal marrow. Francis was
held for murder. Thomas's widow stated that she'd warned him
to cover his white clothing with another quote because he'd
previously been mistaken for the ghost on previous occasions.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I mean, there is something to be said for learning
a listen, But also like you shouldn't just go shoot
people wearing white.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I know, it's a bit mad. The judge at trial
observed that Francis had neither acted in self defense nor
shot Thomas by accident. He had not been provoked, nor
had he attempted to apprehend Francis. Yeah, Thomas had not
committed any offense to justify being shot, and even if
the supposed ghost had been shot, it would not have
(08:36):
been acceptable. The judge said that frightening people will pretend
to be a ghost was not a serious felony, and
it was a far less serious misdemeanor, and it would
only ever merit like a small fine. The judge just
like you can't go shooting ghosts. The judge closes remarked
by the minding the jury that the previous good character
(08:56):
of the accused meant nothing in the case. Advised the
jury to find the Ques guilty of murder if they
believed the facts presented by all witnesses. After considering for
an hour, the jury returned to verdict of manslaughter. The
prosecution informed the jury that the court could not receive
such a verdict and they must either find Francis guilty
of murder or acquit him. The jury then returned with
(09:17):
a verdict of guilty after another meeting, and the judge
passed the customary sentence of death. The defense said that
they intended to report the case to the King of
the power to commute the sentence, and the initial sentence
of hanging in dissection was commuted to a year's hard labor.
Oh wow, that's quite different. That's quite different. The huge
(09:37):
publicity given to the case persuaded the two. This is brilliant.
The huge publicity given to the case persuaded the two
culprit to come forward. The culprit was called John Graham,
an elderly shoemaker who had been pretending to be a
ghost by using a white sheet to frighten his apprentice,
who had been scaring his children with ghost stories. Oh
(10:01):
that's sort of innocent. There is no record of John
Green ever been punished for doing this. They shouldn't have been,
And that all came from Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Oh my god, that's amazing, and we're back. I love, love,
love loved researching this did you. I did old Timy
as well.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I'm m JC. Do hear you? I think we both
would have to do old Jay.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, because people aren't that dumb anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
In the late nineteenth century, a murder trial took place
in America where, for the first and only time, testimony
from a ghost was admitted as evidence into a US
Superior court trial. Oh my god, and it helps secure
a conviction. I love the names, by the way. I
wish I got to name some people's children because there
are so many good old timy names.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Elva, Zona, Heaster, Oh my god, who went by Zona?
Met a blacksmith name Erasmus Stribling Trout, Oh, Trout's shoe, No,
hold it on, it kept going Erasmus Stripling Trout shoe, shoe.
It's just amazing. In Greenbrier County, West Virginia. And that
(11:17):
was in October of eighteen ninety six.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Zona's mother, Mary was against the match and didn't like him.
What may have been mother's intuition is we don't know.
But neither the mother nor the daughter knew that he
was a horse thief who had spent two years in
jail and who had been married twice before. Oh, he
didn't tell the many of that shit, and it was
(11:40):
easy to get away with stuff back then. Yeah. Yeah,
there was no social media to a daw people in.
His first wife had divorced him after he abandoned her
and their child, which is fair, and the second wife
died in a air quotes freak accident where Erasmus accidentally
dropped a brick on her head while making roof repairs
(12:01):
at their house.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Oh, I mean that seems good.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
That's pretty bad luck that the one brick you drop
lands on your wife's head. When Zona met him, he
was actually calling himself Edward and not Erasmus. Zona and
Erasmus eloped with her, wearing a high collared burgundy dress.
Within three months, she too would be dead.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
At ten am on the twenty thirty January eighteen ninety seven,
twenty three year old Zona's body was found by an
errand boy laying face down on the floor of her
house at the foot of the stairs. Her arm was
stretched out in front of her like kind of forward,
and her head was at an odd angle to one side.
(12:46):
Erasmus was summoned and he arrived home to see his
dead wife and by the time that the corner showed up.
Shortly after that, he had moved his wife's body from
the bottom of the store to the upstairs bed and
dressed her in the same high collared burgundy dress that
she had eloped in. Now I know this this was
(13:07):
different times, but it's not. Okay. No, When the doctor
arrived and began his examination of the body, Erasmus became
air quotes overcome with emotion and was like, of course,
holding his wife's head and shoulders in his lap and
just cuddling them and cradling them and being so so sad.
(13:31):
And the doctor stopped the exam because he was a
fucking idiot, and out of respect for the grieving widower,
he just signed the death off as everlasting faint.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Oh my god, she just had an everlasting fate. Ask
no questions. So yeah, God thought Jennison's back in the day.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Oh my god, they were dumb. Zona was to be
buried the next day, so a wake was held for
the mourners to say they're goodbyes. That's in the house usually.
People there found it very strange that whenever the casket
was opened, Erasmus placed a scarf over her neck and
propped her head with a pillow. Nobody was able to
get near her face because of his repeated outbursts of
(14:16):
grief while craddling her head and shoulders.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Thought no, they did.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
They were like, this is fucking weird. I mean even
for old timing, dumb people, They're like, no, this is
fucking weird. So Zona was buried with no suspicion on
Erasmus technically except for her mother. Okay. She claimed to
pray every night for four weeks after the death that
the truth would be revealed, and that on one dark night,
(14:41):
when Mary was wide awake, not asleep at all, her
daughter's spirit appeared to her.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Mary said, it was absolutely not a dream, and she
was totally awake and conscious. She wasn't lying down, she
was sitting up, And for four nights in a row,
a ball of light would appear and then transform into
the figure her daughter. Oh, her daughter told her how
she had died. The ghost revealed that Erasmus had been
violent with her during their short marriage, like previously, and
(15:09):
the night before her death, they had argued over a meal.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
The ghosts claimed Erasmus had strangled her and broken her neck.
Then the ghost rotated its neck one hundred and eighty
degrees to show her mother that it was broken. Ah,
that would freak me out.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I know. Mary was so compelling in her statements to
the local prosecutor, John Preston reopened the case. He was like, yep,
I believe you. John found out. I know. John found
out that Erasmus had a history of violence, and he
(15:46):
also found out about the weird death of a second
wife with a brick to the head, and he spoke
to the doctor and as the doctor hadn't done a
proper examination obviously of Zona's body, she was exhumed and
autopsied by three separate doctors on the twenty second of
February eighteen ninety seven. They found that she had died
from manual strangulation and a broken neck, with fingerprint bruising
(16:09):
on her neck, So she had definitely been strangled and
her neck had been broken.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Erasmus was summoned and he denied killing her, but couldn't
give an alibi. He was charged with Zona's murder. The
trial began on the twenty second of June eighteen ninety seven,
and the twelve jurors her testimony from Mary about her
four visits from Zona. It took the jury an hour
and ten minutes to find Erasmus guilty and sentenced him
to life in prison. He died in one of the
(16:37):
world pandemics three years later while in prison. And I
got this from kill Zone blog dot com from a
blog post of theirs Wikipedia and Greenbriar dot com, which
was an article very good, Thank you'all, and we're back.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
We are back to conclude. Yes, I think I picked mine.
I think I'll pick yours too, because he was short, obviously,
and it seems like he was dated quite quickly afterwards. Yes,
and he was short in the lower jaw.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
But it went into a spine.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Went through the neck and into the spine, I think,
didn't it.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, which I'm pretty sure was instant death, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
H Yeah, you would think so.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I think it's weird because sometimes spinal cords can be
severed and then people are totally fine, and then other
times they just die instantly. Yeah. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I know, but I'm not going to pick yours.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I know that was bad.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, that was much more troubling.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
He was, I mean, he was abusive from the start.
But I can't remember what was wrong with the meal,
but there was something that he was not happy about
with the meal that she had either done or not
done or something about meat. I can't remember, but yeah,
apparently there was a big fight and then he just
like killed her.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
That was a very interesting subject that will say, uh huh,
I really enjoy that, so thank you.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I'm joe Ye.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Is there any other subjects that we could do?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
What was it on paranormal?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I mean we could do hauntings, so we could do vampires,
or could do where we're.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Stealing a Halloween one or.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Something, you know, if I mean, if we had our
ship together, we would have timed our Christmas and or
Halloween shows that at Christmas and Halloween.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
We usually we usually are good at Christmas, but the
Christmas that's just passed. We seem to totally forget.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
We forgot to even say Happy Christmas.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I know we did. I think we said Happy Christmas
like well into an episode that when I will into John,
yeah Happy New Year, it was like never, We're never
going to have a ship together for like an Easter theme,
aura Halloween theme.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
If we do Easter, I get Jesus.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, yeah, We're never going to be that organized for
the Easter. Maybe possibly Halloween. We should do Halloween.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I mean we should do a helpeen one. You've worked
out the dates, haven't you? The release dates?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, but not that fat in advances. Okay, I think
I'm up to, like, maybe the next couple of weeks,
I'll have a look at the subjects that have been suggested.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Maybe we can switch a couple around to be.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
We really can't. I'll have a look into it and
need of the time. Are you agreeing with me? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
we're going to agree two weeks in a row.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Wow, we No, we disagreed last week.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I had something else to discuss that was in our chat.
Now I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I don't remember anything.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
There was something in our chat recently. Let's have a
look which chat? The podcast chat? Yeah, the podcast chat
were we were discussing. Was it not some sort of
recent case.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah? That was the Prianna Great Gay one.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yes, I knew about that, But there was another that
was my case update. What was the other one?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
No idea?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Oh yeah. Some of our lovely listeners were saying that
we shouldn't worry about episodes being too long.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Oh yeah, somebody asked a question about which it was
very nice.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, somebody asked the question about it is not We
said a few times it would based on Mad episodes
too long, and I didn't know that. I didn't know
if it was like from a previous time. It was
an agreement that was in place that they had to
be like a certain.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
So lean we were. We signed a contract with I
Heart Radio basically in season two or three, but previous
to that, our host service sort of kept us to
thirty to forty minutes. I think it was I think
it was max forty five, but we stuck to thirty
(20:33):
to be safe because that was what we were offered. Okay,
and then when we were our new contract with iHeart
basically was like, you can talk for eight hours, we
don't care. Oh really, I mean we're not going to.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
But yeah, no, we're not going to because that would
be twenty nine and impossible. Even we couldn't talk for
that all.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, we just try to make it manageable. Thirty minutes
is kind of a good one, and.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Sometimes you might get a quick twenty five, yeah, exactly,
like this episode probably be twenty five. We usually were
usually are in between thirteen forty.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, it's very rarely would we ever go to forty.
It would only be for like a really big case
because we don't go into like the nitty nitty gritty detail.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And the thing is so we obviously I just reporting
what's out there anyway. Yeah, so we're not like giving
any more insight into anything because it's already all out
the end the Internet, No exactly, so there's no real
need but as to go any further really and going
to anything that any great length is there?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So I think my favorite podcasts are usually about half
an hour, Yeah, twenty minutes, half an hour. I quite
like that. It's quite short and snappy, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I don't mind. There's there's one I listened to called
Stuff you Should Know, and that's usually between forty five
minutes to an hour, and I don't mind that because
they like comprehensively cover one topic every single time.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
But it does it keep that ear level of interest
for that.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, because they go from the beginning, like the concept
of whatever it is, all the way to current time.
So it could be like the history of beach balls,
and they'll come from like the very beginning of why
beach balls are invented, all the way up to like
I mean I'm using beach balls. They don't they haven't
cover that, but you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
it would be like that. It history podcasts. They keep
(22:21):
me engaged for like an hour max.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, I know, No, that wouldn't then chase me. I
need to have a laugh.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I like help I Sex with my boss because it is.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Shorter, and I like Alan Carrs because that's a laugh.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
It says short too.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, that's like half an hour, right, I always really
like something like that. It's just like and my Pading
team poadcast that I like, that's about forty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
By the comedians, that's a laugh as well.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You know the guy from the in Between hers, him
and his wife have a podcast and they are so funny.
You don't like her, No, I love her, she's so.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I don't like her Scottish accent and I don't like.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Her she's Scottish.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
What she's supposed to do with her No, no, it's
not it's not. It's not an accent as such, it's
her vocabulary. I'm not a big fan of Okay, she
said a few words and I'm like, no, oh, I'm not.
I'm not. I like him and they seem quite cool
and it seems it's quite a good setup. But no,
i've seen them on I've not listened to it, but
when it started it was massive.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
They're quite I don't know, quite like they're quite funny.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, but I don't. Yeah, she said some words and
I'm like, no, no, no, I just not words. I'm
a particular fan of you know how somebody just puts
you off. That's not with an accent as such, it's
just our use of vocabulary. I didn't particularly like. And
that's why I st listened to a couple of podcast
because I see some words and I'm like, I hate
that word. I cannot listen to that word being said.
(23:44):
Fair enough, Yes, I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Did she use the C word?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I don't think she used that, but it was yeah,
but I can't remember what it was. But I tried
to listen.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Then I thought, nah, listen if you upset mel once,
that's at you.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I was like, nah, And I think, like you get
so you to like what you like on a podcast.
I don't. I don't. I very really listened to different
things I sometimes do, but I think you just like
what you like, don't need a certain things. Yeah a podcast,
dogg he's now joined us again. She has and she's
like sitting at Holy like shock, give me a caddle.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I haven't seen her for ages.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, but we're done for another week.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
We are.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Thank you very much for that suggestion, Emma Joe. That
was really good.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I really enjoyed that one.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
And we'll try and do a haunty one for Halloween,
possibly for get a ship together.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, please hold us you know we'll.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Have a go anyway. Thank you for listening, everyone, and
we shall be back soon with more fun and games.
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It does well.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
If you like good afternoon, Now, good afternoon.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I am? Well, we are Witch margin Wow. We are the.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Quick Podcast, and today we're going to be discussing paranormal murders.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I loved this so much.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Did you? It was very I've got a really interesting one.
And this was suggested by our love listener.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Jo Emma Joe. Thank you and guys, more of this.
I love the paranormal shit.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I wondered when A googled this to research. I wonder
what it would bring up and would be anything good?
But I quite enjoyed it. Well, you picked the very
good one. You picked like one of the very first
results on the page. I did, yes, which always helps.
Yeah TV recommendation. Oh, so we have started watching something
(01:07):
that I've read about which is very well reviewed on
IMDb and Rotten to Metals and everything. And it's called Snowfall,
which I had never heard of. It is about the
early days of the crack cocaine epidemic in Los Angeles
and eighties. So I think it's been running for about
(01:28):
six or seven years, and there's six seasons of it,
and I think it's been shown on fex and Hulu
in America and that was all night player here. But
it's very good. Okay, interesting, Okay, I very much enjoyed it.
Did you watch the big one on Netflix that we all.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Spoke about, which one the what was it.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Called American Murder? American I'm just checking to the one
about the dog Hugh about American Nightmare. Yes, Oh that
was good.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Oh that was fair.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You thought you'd suss it all out and oh my.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
God, I still have suspicions about that, which I haven't
discussed in the group because some suspicions I can't tell
you on air because we'll ruin it for people. You
guys need to go watch any.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Good and it's still like one of the top most
to views things on Netflix. But it's very very good.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
American Nightmare? Is it? American Nightmare? Go watch it and
then come to our discussion group so that I can
talk about it finally with people, because our stupid friend
group never wanted.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
One is on my list also, and it's Griselda. I
started it looks really good. See, we didn't want to
start watching it because we're so into this other drug
one that we thought we'll get confused.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, I'm on episode two of that.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
She Sophievergea looks looks like so different in it. She
is apparently Gazelda's real family are not happy because they've
said that the way they've made her their mother look
is not how she actually looked. It made it look
much worse in the program than she actually looked in
real life.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I don't know. I mean, that's kind of mean for Sophia.
But yeah, oh, you mean like worse behavior or worse looking,
the worst looking. Oh so, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'm not seeing any pictures of it in real life,
so I don't know. I mean, it looks very good.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I think that the age she's playing Sophia is probably
older than what than what the woman was maybe, but
I still think she looks good.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, but that looks good too, So it's good.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
You've watched how anyone to I'm on the second one.
I think, yeah, second or third say, it looks quite good.
It's quite good. It's yeah, it's not your it's not
what I thought it was going to be. Put it
that way, but it's going in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Good.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, oh good.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I'll love a TV recommendation. So that's for this, for
this lot, of this block of recording. Yes, we recommended
some teley, which you always do and it's excellent. Ye.
Any other recommendations, No, I just really want to finish
this episode so I can talk to you about America
night right now, Okay, let's go. So I'm going to
talk about the hammer Smith ghost. Yeah, which was an
interesting one. So from November eighteen oh three, a number
(04:05):
of people in the area of Hammersmith in London claimed
to have seen and some to have been attacked by
a ghost. Local people said the ghost was of a
man who had died by suicide the previous year and
had been buried in Hammersmith Churchyard. The contemporary belief was
that the suicide victims should not be well, oh yeah,
the contemporary belief was that suicide victims should not be
(04:25):
buried in consecrated ground, as their souls would not then
be at rest.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think that's still the same for Catholic, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The ghost was the thread as being very tall and
dressed in an all white but was also said to
wear a calfskin garment with horns and large glass eyes
at other times, so that's quite different a little bit
scary stories about the ghosts began to circulate. Two women,
one elderly and the other pregnant, were reported to have
been seized by the ghost on separate occasions while walking
(04:55):
near the churchyard. They were apparently so frightened they both
died from shock a few days afterwards. A brewers servant,
which I don't know what that is. What's a brewer servant?
So a servant would be someone that works the brewery.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I think that they serve.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Oh, seve at the bar, the bard bar man. I love,
I just love brewer servant.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
A brewer servant called Thomas Groom was walking through the
churchyard with a companion one night, and he claims that
something rose behind a tombstone and seized him by the throat.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh there we go.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So a few a year or two after that, I believe.
I think it was about eighteen oh four eighteen o
five a night watchman called William Girdler saw the ghost
while working near his position in beaver Lane and gave chase.
The ghosts, threw off its shroud and managed to escape.
(05:49):
London at the time did not have an organized police force,
and many people were very, very frightened. According to William,
about what we've seen that night and what been happening,
and rumors have been circulating. Yes, several citizens formed arm
patrols in the hope of apperending the ghost. While William
was running around that evening, crowds had began to form
(06:11):
and more suspicion grew about the ghost. Third of January.
A few weeks after that, William met one of the
armed citizens patrolling the area. He was twenty nine years
old and he was called Francis Smith. Francis was armed
with a shotgun and he told William that he was
going to look for the supposed ghost, and William agreed
to help. They had a look and then the gaged
(06:33):
to go their separate ways. Just after eleven o'clock in
the same evening, Francis encountered someone called Thomas Millwood, who
was a bricklayer. He was wearing normal white clothing from
the brick laying trade. His linen trousers were entirely white
and a waistcoat of white flannel and a white apron.
(06:53):
Con foundering about Thomas had been heading home from a
visit to his parents and sister. According to Thomas's sister,
Immediately after her brother set off, she heard Francis challenging him,
saying who are you and what are you? And if
you don't tell me, I'll shoot you, after which Francis
shot him on the left of the lord jaw and
(07:14):
killed him. So he's obviously been wearing white. He's a bricklayer.
Francis has seen him and assumed he's a ghost.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
People were real dumb back then.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
After hearing the shot, a neighbor met Francis and Francis
was very agitated, and the neighbor said to him and
advise him to turn around and go home. Meanwhile, a
police constable arrived at the scene and took Francis out
into custody. Thomas's body was carried to an inn with
a sergeant examined the body and pronounced him death to
(07:46):
be the result that he was dead as a result
of a gunshot wound on the left side of his
lord jaw with a small shot which penetrated the vertebrae
of his neck and injured the spinal marrow. Francis was
held for murder. Thomas's widow stated that she'd warned him
to cover his white clothing with another quote because he'd
previously been mistaken for the ghost on previous occasions.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I mean, there is something to be said for learning
a listen, But also like you shouldn't just go shoot
people wearing white.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I know, it's a bit mad. The judge at trial
observed that Francis had neither acted in self defense nor
shot Thomas by accident. He had not been provoked, nor
had he attempted to apprehend Francis. Yeah, Thomas had not
committed any offense to justify being shot, and even if
the supposed ghost had been shot, it would not have
(08:36):
been acceptable. The judge said that frightening people will pretend
to be a ghost was not a serious felony, and
it was a far less serious misdemeanor, and it would
only ever merit like a small fine. The judge just
like you can't go shooting ghosts. The judge closes remarked
by the minding the jury that the previous good character
(08:56):
of the accused meant nothing in the case. Advised the
jury to find the Ques guilty of murder if they
believed the facts presented by all witnesses. After considering for
an hour, the jury returned to verdict of manslaughter. The
prosecution informed the jury that the court could not receive
such a verdict and they must either find Francis guilty
of murder or acquit him. The jury then returned with
(09:17):
a verdict of guilty after another meeting, and the judge
passed the customary sentence of death. The defense said that
they intended to report the case to the King of
the power to commute the sentence, and the initial sentence
of hanging in dissection was commuted to a year's hard labor.
Oh wow, that's quite different. That's quite different. The huge
(09:37):
publicity given to the case persuaded the two. This is brilliant.
The huge publicity given to the case persuaded the two
culprit to come forward. The culprit was called John Graham,
an elderly shoemaker who had been pretending to be a
ghost by using a white sheet to frighten his apprentice,
who had been scaring his children with ghost stories. Oh
(10:01):
that's sort of innocent. There is no record of John
Green ever been punished for doing this. They shouldn't have been,
And that all came from Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Oh my god, that's amazing, and we're back. I love, love,
love loved researching this did you. I did old Timy
as well.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I'm m JC. Do hear you? I think we both
would have to do old Jay.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, because people aren't that dumb anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
In the late nineteenth century, a murder trial took place
in America where, for the first and only time, testimony
from a ghost was admitted as evidence into a US
Superior court trial. Oh my god, and it helps secure
a conviction. I love the names, by the way. I
wish I got to name some people's children because there
are so many good old timy names.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Elva, Zona, Heaster, Oh my god, who went by Zona?
Met a blacksmith name Erasmus Stribling Trout, Oh, Trout's shoe, No,
hold it on, it kept going Erasmus Stripling Trout shoe, shoe.
It's just amazing. In Greenbrier County, West Virginia. And that
(11:17):
was in October of eighteen ninety six.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Zona's mother, Mary was against the match and didn't like him.
What may have been mother's intuition is we don't know.
But neither the mother nor the daughter knew that he
was a horse thief who had spent two years in
jail and who had been married twice before. Oh, he
didn't tell the many of that shit, and it was
(11:40):
easy to get away with stuff back then. Yeah. Yeah,
there was no social media to a daw people in.
His first wife had divorced him after he abandoned her
and their child, which is fair, and the second wife
died in a air quotes freak accident where Erasmus accidentally
dropped a brick on her head while making roof repairs
(12:01):
at their house.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Oh, I mean that seems good.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
That's pretty bad luck that the one brick you drop
lands on your wife's head. When Zona met him, he
was actually calling himself Edward and not Erasmus. Zona and
Erasmus eloped with her, wearing a high collared burgundy dress.
Within three months, she too would be dead.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
At ten am on the twenty thirty January eighteen ninety seven,
twenty three year old Zona's body was found by an
errand boy laying face down on the floor of her
house at the foot of the stairs. Her arm was
stretched out in front of her like kind of forward,
and her head was at an odd angle to one side.
(12:46):
Erasmus was summoned and he arrived home to see his
dead wife and by the time that the corner showed up.
Shortly after that, he had moved his wife's body from
the bottom of the store to the upstairs bed and
dressed her in the same high collared burgundy dress that
she had eloped in. Now I know this this was
(13:07):
different times, but it's not. Okay. No, When the doctor
arrived and began his examination of the body, Erasmus became
air quotes overcome with emotion and was like, of course,
holding his wife's head and shoulders in his lap and
just cuddling them and cradling them and being so so sad.
(13:31):
And the doctor stopped the exam because he was a
fucking idiot, and out of respect for the grieving widower,
he just signed the death off as everlasting faint.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Oh my god, she just had an everlasting fate. Ask
no questions. So yeah, God thought Jennison's back in the day.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Oh my god, they were dumb. Zona was to be
buried the next day, so a wake was held for
the mourners to say they're goodbyes. That's in the house usually.
People there found it very strange that whenever the casket
was opened, Erasmus placed a scarf over her neck and
propped her head with a pillow. Nobody was able to
get near her face because of his repeated outbursts of
(14:16):
grief while craddling her head and shoulders.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Thought no, they did.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
They were like, this is fucking weird. I mean even
for old timing, dumb people, They're like, no, this is
fucking weird. So Zona was buried with no suspicion on
Erasmus technically except for her mother. Okay. She claimed to
pray every night for four weeks after the death that
the truth would be revealed, and that on one dark night,
(14:41):
when Mary was wide awake, not asleep at all, her
daughter's spirit appeared to her.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Mary said, it was absolutely not a dream, and she
was totally awake and conscious. She wasn't lying down, she
was sitting up, And for four nights in a row,
a ball of light would appear and then transform into
the figure her daughter. Oh, her daughter told her how
she had died. The ghost revealed that Erasmus had been
violent with her during their short marriage, like previously, and
(15:09):
the night before her death, they had argued over a meal.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
The ghosts claimed Erasmus had strangled her and broken her neck.
Then the ghost rotated its neck one hundred and eighty
degrees to show her mother that it was broken. Ah,
that would freak me out.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I know. Mary was so compelling in her statements to
the local prosecutor, John Preston reopened the case. He was like, yep,
I believe you. John found out. I know. John found
out that Erasmus had a history of violence, and he
(15:46):
also found out about the weird death of a second
wife with a brick to the head, and he spoke
to the doctor and as the doctor hadn't done a
proper examination obviously of Zona's body, she was exhumed and
autopsied by three separate doctors on the twenty second of
February eighteen ninety seven. They found that she had died
from manual strangulation and a broken neck, with fingerprint bruising
(16:09):
on her neck, So she had definitely been strangled and
her neck had been broken.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Erasmus was summoned and he denied killing her, but couldn't
give an alibi. He was charged with Zona's murder. The
trial began on the twenty second of June eighteen ninety seven,
and the twelve jurors her testimony from Mary about her
four visits from Zona. It took the jury an hour
and ten minutes to find Erasmus guilty and sentenced him
to life in prison. He died in one of the
(16:37):
world pandemics three years later while in prison. And I
got this from kill Zone blog dot com from a
blog post of theirs Wikipedia and Greenbriar dot com, which
was an article very good, Thank you'all, and we're back.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
We are back to conclude. Yes, I think I picked mine.
I think I'll pick yours too, because he was short, obviously,
and it seems like he was dated quite quickly afterwards. Yes,
and he was short in the lower jaw.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
But it went into a spine.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Went through the neck and into the spine, I think,
didn't it.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, which I'm pretty sure was instant death, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
H Yeah, you would think so.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I think it's weird because sometimes spinal cords can be
severed and then people are totally fine, and then other
times they just die instantly. Yeah. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I know, but I'm not going to pick yours.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I know that was bad.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, that was much more troubling.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
He was, I mean, he was abusive from the start.
But I can't remember what was wrong with the meal,
but there was something that he was not happy about
with the meal that she had either done or not
done or something about meat. I can't remember, but yeah,
apparently there was a big fight and then he just
like killed her.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
That was a very interesting subject that will say, uh huh,
I really enjoy that, so thank you.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I'm joe Ye.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Is there any other subjects that we could do?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
What was it on paranormal?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I mean we could do hauntings, so we could do vampires,
or could do where we're.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Stealing a Halloween one or.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Something, you know, if I mean, if we had our
ship together, we would have timed our Christmas and or
Halloween shows that at Christmas and Halloween.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
We usually we usually are good at Christmas, but the
Christmas that's just passed. We seem to totally forget.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
We forgot to even say Happy Christmas.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I know we did. I think we said Happy Christmas
like well into an episode that when I will into John,
yeah Happy New Year, it was like never, We're never
going to have a ship together for like an Easter theme,
aura Halloween theme.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
If we do Easter, I get Jesus.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, yeah, We're never going to be that organized for
the Easter. Maybe possibly Halloween. We should do Halloween.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I mean we should do a helpeen one. You've worked
out the dates, haven't you? The release dates?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, but not that fat in advances. Okay, I think
I'm up to, like, maybe the next couple of weeks,
I'll have a look at the subjects that have been suggested.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Maybe we can switch a couple around to be.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
We really can't. I'll have a look into it and
need of the time. Are you agreeing with me? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
we're going to agree two weeks in a row.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Wow, we No, we disagreed last week.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I had something else to discuss that was in our chat.
Now I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I don't remember anything.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
There was something in our chat recently. Let's have a
look which chat? The podcast chat? Yeah, the podcast chat
were we were discussing. Was it not some sort of
recent case.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah? That was the Prianna Great Gay one.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yes, I knew about that, But there was another that
was my case update. What was the other one?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
No idea?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Oh yeah. Some of our lovely listeners were saying that
we shouldn't worry about episodes being too long.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Oh yeah, somebody asked a question about which it was
very nice.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, somebody asked the question about it is not We
said a few times it would based on Mad episodes
too long, and I didn't know that. I didn't know
if it was like from a previous time. It was
an agreement that was in place that they had to
be like a certain.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
So lean we were. We signed a contract with I
Heart Radio basically in season two or three, but previous
to that, our host service sort of kept us to
thirty to forty minutes. I think it was I think
it was max forty five, but we stuck to thirty
(20:33):
to be safe because that was what we were offered. Okay,
and then when we were our new contract with iHeart
basically was like, you can talk for eight hours, we
don't care. Oh really, I mean we're not going to.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
But yeah, no, we're not going to because that would
be twenty nine and impossible. Even we couldn't talk for
that all.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, we just try to make it manageable. Thirty minutes
is kind of a good one, and.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Sometimes you might get a quick twenty five, yeah, exactly,
like this episode probably be twenty five. We usually were
usually are in between thirteen forty.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, it's very rarely would we ever go to forty.
It would only be for like a really big case
because we don't go into like the nitty nitty gritty detail.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And the thing is so we obviously I just reporting
what's out there anyway. Yeah, so we're not like giving
any more insight into anything because it's already all out
the end the Internet, No exactly, so there's no real
need but as to go any further really and going
to anything that any great length is there?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So I think my favorite podcasts are usually about half
an hour, Yeah, twenty minutes, half an hour. I quite
like that. It's quite short and snappy, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I don't mind. There's there's one I listened to called
Stuff you Should Know, and that's usually between forty five
minutes to an hour, and I don't mind that because
they like comprehensively cover one topic every single time.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
But it does it keep that ear level of interest
for that.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, because they go from the beginning, like the concept
of whatever it is, all the way to current time.
So it could be like the history of beach balls,
and they'll come from like the very beginning of why
beach balls are invented, all the way up to like
I mean I'm using beach balls. They don't they haven't
cover that, but you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
it would be like that. It history podcasts. They keep
(22:21):
me engaged for like an hour max.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, I know, No, that wouldn't then chase me. I
need to have a laugh.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I like help I Sex with my boss because it is.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Shorter, and I like Alan Carrs because that's a laugh.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
It says short too.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, that's like half an hour, right, I always really
like something like that. It's just like and my Pading
team poadcast that I like, that's about forty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
By the comedians, that's a laugh as well.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You know the guy from the in Between hers, him
and his wife have a podcast and they are so funny.
You don't like her, No, I love her, she's so.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I don't like her Scottish accent and I don't like.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Her she's Scottish.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
What she's supposed to do with her No, no, it's
not it's not. It's not an accent as such, it's
her vocabulary. I'm not a big fan of Okay, she
said a few words and I'm like, no, oh, I'm not.
I'm not. I like him and they seem quite cool
and it seems it's quite a good setup. But no,
i've seen them on I've not listened to it, but
when it started it was massive.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
They're quite I don't know, quite like they're quite funny.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, but I don't. Yeah, she said some words and
I'm like, no, no, no, I just not words. I'm
a particular fan of you know how somebody just puts
you off. That's not with an accent as such, it's
just our use of vocabulary. I didn't particularly like. And
that's why I st listened to a couple of podcast
because I see some words and I'm like, I hate
that word. I cannot listen to that word being said.
(23:44):
Fair enough, Yes, I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Did she use the C word?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I don't think she used that, but it was yeah,
but I can't remember what it was. But I tried
to listen.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Then I thought, nah, listen if you upset mel once,
that's at you.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I was like, nah, And I think, like you get
so you to like what you like on a podcast.
I don't. I don't. I very really listened to different
things I sometimes do, but I think you just like
what you like, don't need a certain things. Yeah a podcast,
dogg he's now joined us again. She has and she's
like sitting at Holy like shock, give me a caddle.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I haven't seen her for ages.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, but we're done for another week.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
We are.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Thank you very much for that suggestion, Emma Joe. That
was really good.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I really enjoyed that one.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
And we'll try and do a haunty one for Halloween,
possibly for get a ship together.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, please hold us you know we'll.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Have a go anyway. Thank you for listening, everyone, and
we shall be back soon with more fun and games.
Come across with any chats suggesting episodes or we're on
a website if you want to chat about anything else
and leave us a review and leave us a review
would be lovely. Thank you. It takes two minutes, and
be very grateful and it helps people find us.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It does well.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yes, thank you for listening. Thank you, Bye bye.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Which Murderer is hosted by Speaker and is recorded in
a secret location in Scotland. You can find us wherever
you listen to your podcasts. Email us at Which Murderer
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(25:21):
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