July 22, 2024 • 31 mins
WHICH MURDERER FLASHBACK EPISODE!
In Which Murderer’s Episode 44 Season 5 the girls finally cover Witch Murders. Mel starts us off with Ama Hemmah from Ghana before Holly goes into the complicated case of Lawrence Harris.
Shoutout to Saraid for the suggestion!
In this episode the girls decide who the next James Bond will be and what TV Witches they want to drink some tea with, Mel is very clearly making up the name of her murderer entirely, Holly is queen of fire and the girls once again deliberate through worst fears. Not including the dentist.
Production, recording and post production completed by Holly who has build a giant effigy of Consulting Producer Craig in his front yard to show her devotion.
Holly edited this week. All complaints should be sent directly to Mel while Consulting Producer Craig questions his life choices as he pulls out a fire extinguisher again.
Big thank you to all our listeners for subscribing, leaving fantastic reviews and sending in great theme suggestions.
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WARNING - Explicit language, content and themes (plus whatever else will cover us legally). All opinions stated are our own and case information was gathered from legitimate sources within the public realm.
Pre-recorded in Scotland.
In Which Murderer’s Episode 44 Season 5 the girls finally cover Witch Murders. Mel starts us off with Ama Hemmah from Ghana before Holly goes into the complicated case of Lawrence Harris.
Shoutout to Saraid for the suggestion!
In this episode the girls decide who the next James Bond will be and what TV Witches they want to drink some tea with, Mel is very clearly making up the name of her murderer entirely, Holly is queen of fire and the girls once again deliberate through worst fears. Not including the dentist.
Production, recording and post production completed by Holly who has build a giant effigy of Consulting Producer Craig in his front yard to show her devotion.
Holly edited this week. All complaints should be sent directly to Mel while Consulting Producer Craig questions his life choices as he pulls out a fire extinguisher again.
Big thank you to all our listeners for subscribing, leaving fantastic reviews and sending in great theme suggestions.
WE HAVE MERCH! www.whichmurderer.com - CLICK ON THE MERCHANDISE TAB FOR A LINK!
WARNING - Explicit language, content and themes (plus whatever else will cover us legally). All opinions stated are our own and case information was gathered from legitimate sources within the public realm.
Pre-recorded in Scotland.
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(00:12):
The girl if you like, Hellomel Hello Holly, and Witch Murderer.
Finally, in episode forty four ofseason five, covers which murders Witch murders?
Which I have to say every singletime somebody asked, We're like,
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oh, like, which is themurder? No? Which murderer? Like
which one? No? No?No? You know who's your favorite TV
witch? Oh? That was myface? The Witcher obviously, well know
is that Henry Cavill. Henry Cavill. That's the one you go on about,
isn't it. I don't go onabout it's about witches. Oh yeah,
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yeah, she does. Gaddy.I just appreciate his talents, Okay,
oh yeah, he's very talented.He's very talentedly talented. By the
way, Gary's got a massive crushon him too. He said he's the
only superman that should be allowed inthe future. It's Henry Cavill, and
he is. Actually Ragings been mentionedfor James Bond. I think he big
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good James Bond. I think we'llgo back to TV. Which is I
think our next Bond has to be. Oh, I decided this other day
and I've forgotten again. Well,I love you, Juselba. But they
won't be do that with probably maybeI think he should be. Like there's
a couple of young kind of Scottishactors around just now, okay, I
(01:40):
think they'll probably go down that roadrather than do a like a j Silba
jended Butler, I think with alsobig good bond. I don't think so.
I think Gerard Butler's rough as fuck. He's like, he's so ansome
a big great bond. Have youseen him lately? Now? Yeah?
Really? And he's from Paisley,I mean, which says all that says
at all? No, he's nothe's not aging? Well is he lovely
(02:02):
eyes? Though? I didn't fancyDaniel Craig. Oh, I don't know.
He's too chiseled. No, No, I didn't. I don't know,
no, No. But there's acouple of young actors where I think,
do you know what they would makea really good bond? I think
Chared Madden, that's one. He'sbeen a few things, right, Yeah,
I think who was? Who was? Who played the guy from?
(02:27):
Well? I am in brain fog? Oh my god, we're doing a
podcast galling a complete brain fog theguy from what was a TV show?
Film? No? From the SexBooks? What was those sex books?
Fifty Shades of Gray played the guyin Fifty Shades of Gray Jamie Dornan,
Jamie Dornan. I think he wouldmake a good bond. You are one
hundred percent correct, Yes, howyou could? I forget about him?
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Yes, I was thinking about himthe other day because he was I was
catching off in my old game Northand he was on. He's just so
bloody handsome, he is suave.We had an Irish bond. I don't
know, I don't I don't know. Jamie Downing would be a brilliant,
but would be so lovely handsome.I would just love to get him alone,
(03:14):
to have a cup of Tina cuddle. Hi, Dave if you're listening,
Sorry Dave, but Dave's got,you know, his crush. He's
also to chat about it. Okay. Your favorite TV witch? Oh it's
still the Witcher? Oh yeah,you said the teenage witch. And also
love Bewitched. Never watched Buffy?Did you watch Buffy a little bit?
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But not religiously? I never reallyI never really got onto the whole Buffy
thing. And also adon was shea witch? No, she wasn't a
witch? Was she not wit?She was Witchy and I liked Martitia.
But did you watch the I amgoing to probably go for Bewitch or she's
been in the teenage witch. Didyou watch Wednesday? Oh it's good.
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Both boys have watched it and absolutelyloved it. It was great. It
was really good. I never Inever watched it. I watch it.
Actually would I like it? Ithink you'd like it on TV. Sorry,
I have to take him on aTV so that I'm watching just now
again, I'm late to the party. Bad Sisters on Apple is phenomenal.
It is so bloody good. Okay, you need to give it a go.
Is it funny or is it scarior no, it's a bit funny.
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It's a but it's just about likeIrish sisters, I kind of what
they get up to and what thelens they go to for each other.
Okay, it's very very good.Okay, it's very well written, and
it's written and produced and did itNo, I don't think it's direct to
be written and produced by Sharon Horgan, who's behind most all some things.
Just now, I don't know.I don't know who she is. Now
you'll know, you'll know some ofthe stuff she's done. She's brilliant.
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Do you ever watch Catastrophe on Channelfour? That was awesome? But yes,
that's my TV tip this time?You anymore yourself? No, I've
been away so I haven't really watchedmuch TV. We finished Happy Valley or
you loved it, didn't he?It was amazing? So sad it's over.
So sad it's over. You bothlike it as much? Yeah?
Yeah? Good? Yeah? AndI think it's one that you can watch
(05:02):
together and both really enjoy. Andthen there's one called Apple is Wearing.
I'm at just now because there's loadsand loads of good things on Apple,
So I would definitely watch that.And ted Lasso is back this month,
which is awesome. I've never watched. And have you ever watched Succession?
No? Oh my god. That'sone of the best TV shows ever.
(05:23):
That's also back this month. Alsolove Succession is so good. You don't
need to watch it. You bothwatch that? Yeah? Why you can
both watch it together? Succession?Yeah? I don't don't want to.
Why. What's it about insane?No, it's about an American media firm,
American family media firm, and thewhole media business. Immediately now nine
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Cox is in It is amazing immediately. No, Lockwood and Company is what
I'm watching. It's it's a paranormalshow. Not really, no, no,
no, listen, it's these it'slike an alternate universe kind of thing.
But it's it's like modern day ghostshave re entered the human world.
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Something has happened and ghosts are nowIt's like ghostbusters and ghosts are now here,
but they're not nice and they comeout at night. So there's curfew
and the only ones who can fightthem and have the psychic abilities to detect
them and do whatever are children.Oh so the adults are useless in this
scenario, and there's this like butthere's still have anyway. It's really good.
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It's about this like these teenagers fromrough homes or whatever who go through
this training and then this teenager hashis own like agency for doing it.
It's quite good. Like they gofighting them. And the most important question
I'm going to ask you, whichwill totally say a TV show to me,
is that a good looking at adultand at mail Yes and no not
(06:56):
yet, Okay, I might ifone turns just like you know, if
there's a nice looking guy and I'llgo, oh hello, you know,
and there's one and bad sisters justsaying okay, and he's Irish anyhow,
I'm first you are when it comesto murders. This was jested by Zara
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again Love the Listenersanna, Okay,does she think her children are witches?
Possibly? Okay? And yes,she wants just to cover witches, which
I quite like. Yeah, SoI have found one that's very short and
sweet. Okay, So I'm goingto talk about Amma hammah. That's not
really think amma a m a ammaemma. What's the last time spelled like
(07:44):
hammah? Is h a double ma h? Okay, Well you're saying
it right, So it could bea mohamma or it could be ammahamma.
If it's Ama, she's got reallyalmahammah. But mc hammer it's hammer time.
Oh my god. It was therefor the taking to be fair.
(08:05):
Iket So Amma was born in nineteenforty seven in the village of Tema and
Ghana. Shut up, am IGamma Amahamma and Ghana. It's from Ghana.
This is real. How do Ialways go there? I mean,
life's not difficult, more difficult enough. I make it worse Amahamma is Gamma
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from Ghana. Okay, were withthe people, this could be tricky,
Okay, She's born in nineteen fortyseven. Couldn't find anything out about her
background, so I'm just jumping righton to most present day ish. So
around ten am on the twentieth ofNovember twenty ten in Accra, in Ghana,
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evangelical pastor Samuel Fletcher visited his sisterAmelia when he saw Amma sitting in
his sister's bedroom when he arrived whileall Amelia's children were at school. Okay,
so he wasn't very happy that thishad happened and immediately raised the alarm,
which attracts the attention of others inthe neighborhood. According to the Assistant
Commissioner of Police, it was widelybelieved that Ama was a witch. Oh,
(09:13):
and people were a bit where youoffered to say the least right Ama
or Amma, I'm going to say, do you think Ama? Oh?
I'm okay. Amma was then allegedlytortured into a confession of witchcraft by a
group of five people, at whichpoint they allegedly attempted to exercise the evil
spirit in her by dowsing her inkeroscene and setting her on fire. That
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is a very common practice in Africa. Is I've never heard of this,
but it does go on to explainwhat stuffs like in Africa. In Johannesburg
in a lot of the sort ofI don't want to say shanty towns,
but that's what they are. Theythe police don't go there, so they
have their own justice and if somelike steals or whatever, if the community
(10:03):
decides that this person is in thewrong with videos, they put tires over
them dlsman kerosene and set them onfire. Holy crap. Yeah, oh
that that is like running alive,is like horrible, Oh my god.
Yeah. Members of the group claimedthey poured oil on Amma, which accidentally
caught fire. You know, whoopsit with that? A student nurse came
(10:24):
to a rescue and sent Amma tothe community one police station. She was
then transferred to a hospital in Acra, which she died the following day.
Yeah. She was seventy two yearsold. Ah, so the suspects are
the pastor. The pastor was oneof the ones allegedly set it alight.
Mm hm. A fifty four oldphotographer called Samuel Gunny and three women Emilia,
(10:50):
Nancy and Mary, who were allsort of in the thirties and forties.
Although belief in witchcraft is relatively commonin Ghana, the public was shocked
and outraged at Amma's murder. Herson toil depoters and mother was never a
witch and had never suffered any mentaldisorder throughout her whole life, apart from
exhibiting signs of forgetfulness and other symptomsof our old age. And a statement
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issued by the Commission for Human Rights, they said they found the action of
the prepartators atrocious, the crimes verybarbaric and one that greatly dims the nation's
human rights record. It's very disheppeningthat some men of God, who responsibility
is to help save lives, couldrather orchestrate the killing of an innocent soul,
all in the name of God.The statement called in Algananians to refuse
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involvement in mob attacks on those accusedof witchcraft. In many areas of Africa,
black magic or witchcraft is blamed forillnesses, deaths, fires, or
other natural disasters. In the Northernregion, women who are suspected or accused
of witchcraft are often forcibly or violentlyexiled from their communities. They get sent
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to witch camps, where they facedeplorable conditions such as like very limited access
to food, good water, housingand healthcare, and many face like continued
abuse. Reasons vary for the accusationsthey're obviously the women are often elderly and
widows that incapable of bearing children orotherwise defy gender roles and norms. Some
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suffer from mental disorders or physical disabilities, or engage in eccentric behavior. Some
are simply victims of personal jealousies.A professor for the University Oppressor Sory of
the University of Ghana said that thewitch camps are a dramatic manifestation of the
status of women in Ghana. Olderwomen become a target because they're no longer
useful to society. That's seriphic.I did not know that allow. It's
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a burden because there's no social securitythere, so their families have to have
to care for the elderly. Thereis nothing else to care for them.
I did not know this about Ghana. I'm really quick to st Africa's other
African countries. In twenty fourteen,the Ministry of Gender Children and social Protection.
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The Gnadian government issued initiated a moveto shut down all witch camps and
read into I can't speak and reintegratethe women back into society. However,
these camps still remained due to thesuperstition around witchcraft and the complications that reintegration
poses to accuse women back into society, so they would always be tired with
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that, always, always. Yeah. The suspects were obviously the parstor the
photographer, and the three women deniedthe alegation in the statement to the police.
They were all arrested in connection forinstance, two of whom were charged
with murder and the other ones werereleased on bail and they all silouet trial.
But I've gone there because they've beenseen doing it. Yeah, I
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mean, And I got all thisfrom BBC News article of November twenty ten
and Wikipedia, and I found ithorrifying. It is so if you're albino
and Africa as well, they consideryou a witch. So babies, children
are often abandoned ostracized. If they'renot abandoned, i'l bino adults like in
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Tanzania or Tanzania. I never knowwhich way to say it. Burbindy Malawi,
South Africa. Even they're murdered becausethey're believed to be witches because they
have alb that's wrong with us.I don't know. Maybe we need an
mot well, I know I do, and my car's getting one soon.
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Deep joy, oh my god minethis month. But that is my witches.
Somebody was short and sweet, butI just find it quite entry.
That's all good, Okay, weare back. My witch murder is also
a recent one. I thought wemight go Aldie time with us, but
we have not. We haven't,surprising because I immediately thought that when I
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seen the topic, I want togo way back. Yeah. In two
thousand and six, thirty year oldresidential assistant Marla Stroman married twenty three year
old Lawrence Harris. Marla had ateenage son and two daughters, while Lawrence
had an infant son. So ifyou're doing some math, she is seven
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years older than him. Okay.They moved from Minnesota to Iowa as a
family. Okay. Larry had ahistory of self harm, social isolation,
and mental illness, which he tookprescription medication for before meeting Marla in two
thousand and five. Larry had alsobeen a meth and marijuana user, which
is not good for people who havepsychological issues. Yes, do not recommend.
(15:46):
No, So he bought a SatanicBible. Now, I've listened to
podcasts on Satanism. It's not it'snot I don't know how to put this.
It's not necessarily the worship of thedevil. It's a lot more to
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do with like anti establishment and stufflike that, modern day Satanists. Not
that I'm I'm not promoting anything.I'm like, I'm not saying they're bad
people or anything. But he tookit to a bad place. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying, Like,not all Satanists or people who really said
panic Bible or bad people. Hedid not take it with positivity. So
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he became heavily involved in witchcraft oncehe got this Satanic Bible, which Marla
said totally changed him and changed hispersonality. Yeah. She in two thousand
and seven, So they'd been marriedfor a while, a couple of years.
One year, Yeah, one yearthey've been married. So a year
later, Marla discovered Larry had notbeen taking his medication for months, and
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she gave him an ultimatum to takethem or she would leave. And she
also told him that he had totake anger management classes and go to marriage
counseling as part of that baggage.Like, if you want this to work,
these are the things you need todo. We all have to try.
Yep. She didn't want to divorcehim, but she wanted the kids
to be safe. Yeah, itwas basically yeah. On the sixth of
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January two thousand and eight, whileMarla was at work, Larry decided that
he needed to perform a spell toprotect Marla's teenage son. Using his ritual
knife, Larry stabbed ten year oldKendra an eight year old Alisha, as
well as strangling them. He claimedit was a sacrifice protection spell that had
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reversed itself and ended up killing them. Oh God. After killing the girls,
Larry placed the bloody knife inside thespell notebook and set fire to the
basement. Larry did dill nine toone one to report the fire, but
did not mention the dead children inside. Okay. Marla arrived home to emergency
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vehicles surrounding her house and found outher daughters were dead that way, So
she came home from work and foundout her children were dead. Following the
crimes, Marla filed for divorce asyou obviously would, yep. And she
cited on the forums because I thinkin I don't know if it's everywhere,
but in America, like they youcan look at other people's like reasons for
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divorce, I guess, like amatter of public record. And she stated
that the reason was that he hadkilled her two daughters and that's why she
wanted a divorce. At trial,prosecutors believed that Larry was acting out of
revenge as he believed Marla was havingan affair and he knew it was wrong,
as he tried to conceal the crimewith a fire. So the prosecutors
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are like, listen, there's motiveye had. The means like, this
is murder. The defense claimed hewas not responsible due to mental defect mesh
capacity, yeah, insanity, howeveryou want to put up. The jury
only took a couple hours to findhim guilty of two counts of first degree
murder. They were not buying themental illness thing, which I'm fifty to
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fifty on though. Yeah, Iknow what I mean, I know,
yeah. Yeah. Larry received twolife terms to be served consecutively and to
pay four hundred and fifty grand inrestitution, which I assume is just property
damage and they probably have to ruleon that. And how is he going
to be that Uh, probably notgoing to or he gives up his half
of the house. I don't know, you know how it works. Larry
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is in Iowa State Penitentiary in FortMadison, which is a maximum security present
and Marla has since remarried. AndI got all this from the Cinemaholic from
June of twenty twenty one. Butyeah, I'm torn on this one because
he had a history of mental illness, he was medicated for mental illness,
and he clearly believed that the stuffin this the spell book was right.
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Yeah. I don't know. Idon't know what to think about it.
I don't think he was in hisright mind personally. Hm hmm, Yeah,
I'm kind of Yeah. I don'tcan know what to think of that
one. I don't know either.I think he should have been held for
that same amount of time, possiblyin a mental hospital, maybe not a
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prison. I don't see how theprison is gonna's way to benefit not that
you wanted to benefit him from Ijust don't see the point in putting somebody
who's mentally ill in a prison.Yeah, who do you want thank you?
And we're back. We are backmm hmmmmmm. Yeah, I don't
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want to burnd a life, soI'm not back in mind, I'm gonna
have to pay yours, so you'restabbing and yeah, because I just can't
bunning alife, Yeah I yeah,No, I just can't. I just
couldn't do it. Yeah. Ijust got a full body shiver. Yeah.
I think I used to say thatdrowning was my biggest fear, but
I think it's actually bunning a life. Uh. I have been in tricky
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situations and water where I thought Imight drown huh. Not actually to the
point of like, yeah, drowning, but where I thought this could go
one way or the other. It'sterrifying and I don't like the I think
what I don't like is you don'thave control of yourself when you're drowning because
the situation is that you can't controlthat situation. You can't control the fucking
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water. It does what it wantspretty much sinkswim. It is very much
sink or swim or get tossed aboutin waves that you shouldn't have been in
the first place. But the burning, I feel like you have more of
a chance. So this is comingfrom someone who like was panicking in lighting
candles and a birsty cake when theywere younger. I used to panic,
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like, flames really disturb me forsome reason. I'm better now. You're
not better now, mouse, Stoplying to the people. Your husband bought
you an electric candle lighter, yes, because I get scared of matches.
Lie to the people, but I'venever used to be able to use a
(22:26):
lighter. I like candles, butI'm actually doing that now. You used
to be like pretty crazy about candles. When I get matches, I need
to get the extra long matches becausethe little tiny ones that when I light
them off the side of the boxand then then I go to light something
with them, I feel as Iwas going to burn my finger. It's
like going down the match right tomy finger. Yeah. Yeah, but
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it just freaks me out. Youdo know that you won't catch on fire,
that you'll just get a little blisterat the end of your finger.
Yeah, And I know that Iwould be I would live, but it
just scares me. Okay, Soyeah, so you did buy me an
elect candle light, to which isawesome. Yes, So yeah, that's
how I light my candles, butyeah, flames in general terrify me.
(23:07):
I like fire, you like fire. I love fire. Campfire is one
of the most comforting things in theworld to me. We have a fire
and I love it. Yeah,but you won't light it. No,
no, no, that's just notmy department. Yeah, we have different
departments in this house. And Daveis head of fires. He's had a
fire. Yeah, I'm head ofquite a lot of boring things like food,
(23:30):
shopping, whatever. But that's fine. Not take that any day of
the week over fire. I can't, and all my years in this earth,
which has been a lot, Icannot understand the mechanics behind lighting a
fire. I just can't do it, really, I guess, like obviously,
I grew up in the wilderness andduring the eighties when peer parents didn't
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care about their children, and Iremember setting the fire and lighting it when
I was like I don't know,seven eight, being taught how to set
the fire, lighting it, settingthe flu all that shit. I was
doing that chopping wood. You couldn'tset this fire in the summer because your
sofa is fucking weird. I triedso hard for so long, and I
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kept smoking out your house, andI'm like, what kind of Swedish goddamn
contraption have they installed in this house? I don't know, because it's it's
stays department. I don't know.I need to watch him one day and
see what the magic is because Itried to fire. Addition, yeah,
because you know, obviously the flu'sattached to it. I don't know.
I don't know what any of thatmeans. I don't know what you do,
but I know that's a thing thathe who she's in and out?
(24:40):
Yeah, well you need it.You need it open so that you can
get the oxygen to the fire tofeed the flames. And you close it
a little bit if you want itto die down. If you want to
completely die out, you just shutthe flu. I just don't get it.
I just oxygen feeds fire. I'mthe only time I've ever been able
to light a fire is when Ibought one of those things at supermarket,
like those logs that you buy justthrow it, and I'm like, yea,
(25:06):
I've got fire, but like aand then I go, oh,
oh my god, do you knowwhat I used to do? I should
buy one of those logs, becausein my first house, I bought.
I had a woodbury fireplace, whichis amazing because it was a new build.
I don't know how that happened,but the I would put in that
one and then I would surrounded byreal wood. Okay, so the whole
(25:27):
thing would catch fire, you justlike the one wrapper and the whole thing
goes. I never thought of that. But that's another thing about life these
days. It's so fucking expensive forfirewood. Oh, I know, so
fucking expensive. Even coals expensive.And I used to be the cheaper option
and now that's even expensive. Yeah, so it's like, okay, we've
(25:48):
got fire and we can use thatrather than putting on electricity for heating.
About evervideos and using what a videosare and now it's like, oh that's
expensive as well. Firewood is expenseif I know that from camping. Yeah,
it's like eight pounds a bag orsomething like that. That was nothing
cheap. I mean I'm cheap.Okay, you mean like you don't love
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you don't love the expensive things inlife? Is that what you mean?
I love the expensive things in life. It just means that I'm like,
you buy me one drink and I'mdone. Oh okay, that that cheap
yeah, I wouldn't really go aboutsaying you're cheap though, have a cheap
drunk by that way. Yeah,but no, I need to Maybe maybe
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in my twilight years, I surelylearned how to do a fire properly.
I'll teach you. Maybe I'll letme. Tried to teach me to sow,
and look what happened there? Yeah, I ended up doing it.
I spent hours trying to teach me. So yeah, yeah, we spent
a couple of lunch breaks, like, you're teaching me to sew a button
on my jacket and I was likehopeless, and I was a brownie.
(26:53):
I got my sowing bad. ProbablyI think that's my grant out. But
yeah, I don't know how tosew. I don't know how to light
fires, and what other? Whatother life lessons should I learn? Before?
I'm like, can you make bread? No? Okay? But in
most the point that I can buyit, well, what happens if there's
(27:14):
a shortage? Would it happens ifthere's a pandemic? No, I find
out? God No, I like, I'm okay with buying bread tire Nope,
No, I can't either. I'vealways said I would go in one
of those courses that teach you likewhat to do if you break down and
what this has and I've never doneit. I mean, I've got I've
got rescue service. I know whatI've never I've never never got it.
(27:38):
Of all the people in the worldwho should have it, you should have
it, Well, I have myfirst really, my first car was really
really old, and I had likerescue service then and I needed it.
But ever since then, I've boughtWell, my car I've got just now
is a good three years old.Probably I've just never had it. Do
you run have run out of andrun the risk of running out of gas
(28:00):
on a daily basis? Yes,yes, so you should probably have it.
But can I just say it's onlyhad once? I don't know how,
and it was it was in it'sin the town I live. Yeah,
and one of these other mums rescuedme, I know. And anytime
now that, like I'm picking upour child or we're going somewhere whatever,
(28:22):
I'll always say, don't worry,I'm not going to run it a petrol
and she'll just laugh at me.Yes, which is funny, but no,
you know, maybe one day allin all these things, I doubt
it. No, I doubt it. I'm just totally lazy. Now.
Yeah, oh we could do itfor festival. You're having a festival.
I'm having a festival in the summer. We can have a fire pit and
I'll show you. No, we'vegot fire pits, so we could do
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that. Yeah, yeah, youcould actually yeah, show me at the
start of the night rather than theend. Yeah, I will. Although
I think because I had a niceTI in July last year for a special
occasion, I'm just as nicely thinkingthat every July is now going to be
nice. I know it may notbe, but we're camping out at we're
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camping out. It's out and oneof our friends is very against that,
but even more funnier that we're doingit. Oh yeah, we can do
a proper little festival and suwhere itwill be lovely. Are we done?
I think we're done. Okay,we've covered all topics today. Thanks for
listening, everybody. I hope you'restill listening. It's episode four, So
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Finally, in episode forty four ofseason five, covers which murders Witch murders?
Which I have to say every singletime somebody asked, We're like,
(00:34):
oh, like, which is themurder? No? Which murderer? Like
which one? No? No?No? You know who's your favorite TV
witch? Oh? That was myface? The Witcher obviously, well know
is that Henry Cavill. Henry Cavill. That's the one you go on about,
isn't it. I don't go onabout it's about witches. Oh yeah,
(00:55):
yeah, she does. Gaddy.I just appreciate his talents, Okay,
oh yeah, he's very talented.He's very talentedly talented. By the
way, Gary's got a massive crushon him too. He said he's the
only superman that should be allowed inthe future. It's Henry Cavill, and
he is. Actually Ragings been mentionedfor James Bond. I think he big
(01:17):
good James Bond. I think we'llgo back to TV. Which is I
think our next Bond has to be. Oh, I decided this other day
and I've forgotten again. Well,I love you, Juselba. But they
won't be do that with probably maybeI think he should be. Like there's
a couple of young kind of Scottishactors around just now, okay, I
(01:40):
think they'll probably go down that roadrather than do a like a j Silba
jended Butler, I think with alsobig good bond. I don't think so.
I think Gerard Butler's rough as fuck. He's like, he's so ansome
a big great bond. Have youseen him lately? Now? Yeah?
Really? And he's from Paisley,I mean, which says all that says
at all? No, he's nothe's not aging? Well is he lovely
(02:02):
eyes? Though? I didn't fancyDaniel Craig. Oh, I don't know.
He's too chiseled. No, No, I didn't. I don't know,
no, No. But there's acouple of young actors where I think,
do you know what they would makea really good bond? I think
Chared Madden, that's one. He'sbeen a few things, right, Yeah,
I think who was? Who was? Who played the guy from?
(02:27):
Well? I am in brain fog? Oh my god, we're doing a
podcast galling a complete brain fog theguy from what was a TV show?
Film? No? From the SexBooks? What was those sex books?
Fifty Shades of Gray played the guyin Fifty Shades of Gray Jamie Dornan,
Jamie Dornan. I think he wouldmake a good bond. You are one
hundred percent correct, Yes, howyou could? I forget about him?
(02:49):
Yes, I was thinking about himthe other day because he was I was
catching off in my old game Northand he was on. He's just so
bloody handsome, he is suave.We had an Irish bond. I don't
know, I don't I don't know. Jamie Downing would be a brilliant,
but would be so lovely handsome.I would just love to get him alone,
(03:14):
to have a cup of Tina cuddle. Hi, Dave if you're listening,
Sorry Dave, but Dave's got,you know, his crush. He's
also to chat about it. Okay. Your favorite TV witch? Oh it's
still the Witcher? Oh yeah,you said the teenage witch. And also
love Bewitched. Never watched Buffy?Did you watch Buffy a little bit?
(03:38):
But not religiously? I never reallyI never really got onto the whole Buffy
thing. And also adon was shea witch? No, she wasn't a
witch? Was she not wit?She was Witchy and I liked Martitia.
But did you watch the I amgoing to probably go for Bewitch or she's
been in the teenage witch. Didyou watch Wednesday? Oh it's good.
(04:00):
Both boys have watched it and absolutelyloved it. It was great. It
was really good. I never Inever watched it. I watch it.
Actually would I like it? Ithink you'd like it on TV. Sorry,
I have to take him on aTV so that I'm watching just now
again, I'm late to the party. Bad Sisters on Apple is phenomenal.
It is so bloody good. Okay, you need to give it a go.
Is it funny or is it scarior no, it's a bit funny.
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It's a but it's just about likeIrish sisters, I kind of what
they get up to and what thelens they go to for each other.
Okay, it's very very good.Okay, it's very well written, and
it's written and produced and did itNo, I don't think it's direct to
be written and produced by Sharon Horgan, who's behind most all some things.
Just now, I don't know.I don't know who she is. Now
you'll know, you'll know some ofthe stuff she's done. She's brilliant.
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Do you ever watch Catastrophe on Channelfour? That was awesome? But yes,
that's my TV tip this time?You anymore yourself? No, I've
been away so I haven't really watchedmuch TV. We finished Happy Valley or
you loved it, didn't he?It was amazing? So sad it's over.
So sad it's over. You bothlike it as much? Yeah?
Yeah? Good? Yeah? AndI think it's one that you can watch
(05:02):
together and both really enjoy. Andthen there's one called Apple is Wearing.
I'm at just now because there's loadsand loads of good things on Apple,
So I would definitely watch that.And ted Lasso is back this month,
which is awesome. I've never watched. And have you ever watched Succession?
No? Oh my god. That'sone of the best TV shows ever.
(05:23):
That's also back this month. Alsolove Succession is so good. You don't
need to watch it. You bothwatch that? Yeah? Why you can
both watch it together? Succession?Yeah? I don't don't want to.
Why. What's it about insane?No, it's about an American media firm,
American family media firm, and thewhole media business. Immediately now nine
(05:48):
Cox is in It is amazing immediately. No, Lockwood and Company is what
I'm watching. It's it's a paranormalshow. Not really, no, no,
no, listen, it's these it'slike an alternate universe kind of thing.
But it's it's like modern day ghostshave re entered the human world.
(06:13):
Something has happened and ghosts are nowIt's like ghostbusters and ghosts are now here,
but they're not nice and they comeout at night. So there's curfew
and the only ones who can fightthem and have the psychic abilities to detect
them and do whatever are children.Oh so the adults are useless in this
scenario, and there's this like butthere's still have anyway. It's really good.
(06:34):
It's about this like these teenagers fromrough homes or whatever who go through
this training and then this teenager hashis own like agency for doing it.
It's quite good. Like they gofighting them. And the most important question
I'm going to ask you, whichwill totally say a TV show to me,
is that a good looking at adultand at mail Yes and no not
(06:56):
yet, Okay, I might ifone turns just like you know, if
there's a nice looking guy and I'llgo, oh hello, you know,
and there's one and bad sisters justsaying okay, and he's Irish anyhow,
I'm first you are when it comesto murders. This was jested by Zara
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again Love the Listenersanna, Okay,does she think her children are witches?
Possibly? Okay? And yes,she wants just to cover witches, which
I quite like. Yeah, SoI have found one that's very short and
sweet. Okay, So I'm goingto talk about Amma hammah. That's not
really think amma a m a ammaemma. What's the last time spelled like
(07:44):
hammah? Is h a double ma h? Okay, Well you're saying
it right, So it could bea mohamma or it could be ammahamma.
If it's Ama, she's got reallyalmahammah. But mc hammer it's hammer time.
Oh my god. It was therefor the taking to be fair.
(08:05):
Iket So Amma was born in nineteenforty seven in the village of Tema and
Ghana. Shut up, am IGamma Amahamma and Ghana. It's from Ghana.
This is real. How do Ialways go there? I mean,
life's not difficult, more difficult enough. I make it worse Amahamma is Gamma
(08:26):
from Ghana. Okay, were withthe people, this could be tricky,
Okay, She's born in nineteen fortyseven. Couldn't find anything out about her
background, so I'm just jumping righton to most present day ish. So
around ten am on the twentieth ofNovember twenty ten in Accra, in Ghana,
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evangelical pastor Samuel Fletcher visited his sisterAmelia when he saw Amma sitting in
his sister's bedroom when he arrived whileall Amelia's children were at school. Okay,
so he wasn't very happy that thishad happened and immediately raised the alarm,
which attracts the attention of others inthe neighborhood. According to the Assistant
Commissioner of Police, it was widelybelieved that Ama was a witch. Oh,
(09:13):
and people were a bit where youoffered to say the least right Ama
or Amma, I'm going to say, do you think Ama? Oh?
I'm okay. Amma was then allegedlytortured into a confession of witchcraft by a
group of five people, at whichpoint they allegedly attempted to exercise the evil
spirit in her by dowsing her inkeroscene and setting her on fire. That
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is a very common practice in Africa. Is I've never heard of this,
but it does go on to explainwhat stuffs like in Africa. In Johannesburg
in a lot of the sort ofI don't want to say shanty towns,
but that's what they are. Theythe police don't go there, so they
have their own justice and if somelike steals or whatever, if the community
(10:03):
decides that this person is in thewrong with videos, they put tires over
them dlsman kerosene and set them onfire. Holy crap. Yeah, oh
that that is like running alive,is like horrible, Oh my god.
Yeah. Members of the group claimedthey poured oil on Amma, which accidentally
caught fire. You know, whoopsit with that? A student nurse came
(10:24):
to a rescue and sent Amma tothe community one police station. She was
then transferred to a hospital in Acra, which she died the following day.
Yeah. She was seventy two yearsold. Ah, so the suspects are
the pastor. The pastor was oneof the ones allegedly set it alight.
Mm hm. A fifty four oldphotographer called Samuel Gunny and three women Emilia,
(10:50):
Nancy and Mary, who were allsort of in the thirties and forties.
Although belief in witchcraft is relatively commonin Ghana, the public was shocked
and outraged at Amma's murder. Herson toil depoters and mother was never a
witch and had never suffered any mentaldisorder throughout her whole life, apart from
exhibiting signs of forgetfulness and other symptomsof our old age. And a statement
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issued by the Commission for Human Rights, they said they found the action of
the prepartators atrocious, the crimes verybarbaric and one that greatly dims the nation's
human rights record. It's very disheppeningthat some men of God, who responsibility
is to help save lives, couldrather orchestrate the killing of an innocent soul,
all in the name of God.The statement called in Algananians to refuse
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involvement in mob attacks on those accusedof witchcraft. In many areas of Africa,
black magic or witchcraft is blamed forillnesses, deaths, fires, or
other natural disasters. In the Northernregion, women who are suspected or accused
of witchcraft are often forcibly or violentlyexiled from their communities. They get sent
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to witch camps, where they facedeplorable conditions such as like very limited access
to food, good water, housingand healthcare, and many face like continued
abuse. Reasons vary for the accusationsthey're obviously the women are often elderly and
widows that incapable of bearing children orotherwise defy gender roles and norms. Some
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suffer from mental disorders or physical disabilities, or engage in eccentric behavior. Some
are simply victims of personal jealousies.A professor for the University Oppressor Sory of
the University of Ghana said that thewitch camps are a dramatic manifestation of the
status of women in Ghana. Olderwomen become a target because they're no longer
useful to society. That's seriphic.I did not know that allow. It's
(12:37):
a burden because there's no social securitythere, so their families have to have
to care for the elderly. Thereis nothing else to care for them.
I did not know this about Ghana. I'm really quick to st Africa's other
African countries. In twenty fourteen,the Ministry of Gender Children and social Protection.
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The Gnadian government issued initiated a moveto shut down all witch camps and
read into I can't speak and reintegratethe women back into society. However,
these camps still remained due to thesuperstition around witchcraft and the complications that reintegration
poses to accuse women back into society, so they would always be tired with
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that, always, always. Yeah. The suspects were obviously the parstor the
photographer, and the three women deniedthe alegation in the statement to the police.
They were all arrested in connection forinstance, two of whom were charged
with murder and the other ones werereleased on bail and they all silouet trial.
But I've gone there because they've beenseen doing it. Yeah, I
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mean, And I got all thisfrom BBC News article of November twenty ten
and Wikipedia, and I found ithorrifying. It is so if you're albino
and Africa as well, they consideryou a witch. So babies, children
are often abandoned ostracized. If they'renot abandoned, i'l bino adults like in
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Tanzania or Tanzania. I never knowwhich way to say it. Burbindy Malawi,
South Africa. Even they're murdered becausethey're believed to be witches because they
have alb that's wrong with us.I don't know. Maybe we need an
mot well, I know I do, and my car's getting one soon.
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Deep joy, oh my god minethis month. But that is my witches.
Somebody was short and sweet, butI just find it quite entry.
That's all good, Okay, weare back. My witch murder is also
a recent one. I thought wemight go Aldie time with us, but
we have not. We haven't,surprising because I immediately thought that when I
(14:56):
seen the topic, I want togo way back. Yeah. In two
thousand and six, thirty year oldresidential assistant Marla Stroman married twenty three year
old Lawrence Harris. Marla had ateenage son and two daughters, while Lawrence
had an infant son. So ifyou're doing some math, she is seven
(15:20):
years older than him. Okay.They moved from Minnesota to Iowa as a
family. Okay. Larry had ahistory of self harm, social isolation,
and mental illness, which he tookprescription medication for before meeting Marla in two
thousand and five. Larry had alsobeen a meth and marijuana user, which
is not good for people who havepsychological issues. Yes, do not recommend.
(15:46):
No, So he bought a SatanicBible. Now, I've listened to
podcasts on Satanism. It's not it'snot I don't know how to put this.
It's not necessarily the worship of thedevil. It's a lot more to
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do with like anti establishment and stufflike that, modern day Satanists. Not
that I'm I'm not promoting anything.I'm like, I'm not saying they're bad
people or anything. But he tookit to a bad place. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying, Like,not all Satanists or people who really said
panic Bible or bad people. Hedid not take it with positivity. So
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he became heavily involved in witchcraft oncehe got this Satanic Bible, which Marla
said totally changed him and changed hispersonality. Yeah. She in two thousand
and seven, So they'd been marriedfor a while, a couple of years.
One year, Yeah, one yearthey've been married. So a year
later, Marla discovered Larry had notbeen taking his medication for months, and
(16:56):
she gave him an ultimatum to takethem or she would leave. And she
also told him that he had totake anger management classes and go to marriage
counseling as part of that baggage.Like, if you want this to work,
these are the things you need todo. We all have to try.
Yep. She didn't want to divorcehim, but she wanted the kids
to be safe. Yeah, itwas basically yeah. On the sixth of
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January two thousand and eight, whileMarla was at work, Larry decided that
he needed to perform a spell toprotect Marla's teenage son. Using his ritual
knife, Larry stabbed ten year oldKendra an eight year old Alisha, as
well as strangling them. He claimedit was a sacrifice protection spell that had
(17:41):
reversed itself and ended up killing them. Oh God. After killing the girls,
Larry placed the bloody knife inside thespell notebook and set fire to the
basement. Larry did dill nine toone one to report the fire, but
did not mention the dead children inside. Okay. Marla arrived home to emergency
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vehicles surrounding her house and found outher daughters were dead that way, So
she came home from work and foundout her children were dead. Following the
crimes, Marla filed for divorce asyou obviously would, yep. And she
cited on the forums because I thinkin I don't know if it's everywhere,
but in America, like they youcan look at other people's like reasons for
(18:29):
divorce, I guess, like amatter of public record. And she stated
that the reason was that he hadkilled her two daughters and that's why she
wanted a divorce. At trial,prosecutors believed that Larry was acting out of
revenge as he believed Marla was havingan affair and he knew it was wrong,
as he tried to conceal the crimewith a fire. So the prosecutors
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are like, listen, there's motiveye had. The means like, this
is murder. The defense claimed hewas not responsible due to mental defect mesh
capacity, yeah, insanity, howeveryou want to put up. The jury
only took a couple hours to findhim guilty of two counts of first degree
murder. They were not buying themental illness thing, which I'm fifty to
(19:12):
fifty on though. Yeah, Iknow what I mean, I know,
yeah. Yeah. Larry received twolife terms to be served consecutively and to
pay four hundred and fifty grand inrestitution, which I assume is just property
damage and they probably have to ruleon that. And how is he going
to be that Uh, probably notgoing to or he gives up his half
of the house. I don't know, you know how it works. Larry
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is in Iowa State Penitentiary in FortMadison, which is a maximum security present
and Marla has since remarried. AndI got all this from the Cinemaholic from
June of twenty twenty one. Butyeah, I'm torn on this one because
he had a history of mental illness, he was medicated for mental illness,
and he clearly believed that the stuffin this the spell book was right.
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Yeah. I don't know. Idon't know what to think about it.
I don't think he was in hisright mind personally. Hm hmm, Yeah,
I'm kind of Yeah. I don'tcan know what to think of that
one. I don't know either.I think he should have been held for
that same amount of time, possiblyin a mental hospital, maybe not a
(20:26):
prison. I don't see how theprison is gonna's way to benefit not that
you wanted to benefit him from Ijust don't see the point in putting somebody
who's mentally ill in a prison.Yeah, who do you want thank you?
And we're back. We are backmm hmmmmmm. Yeah, I don't
(20:52):
want to burnd a life, soI'm not back in mind, I'm gonna
have to pay yours, so you'restabbing and yeah, because I just can't
bunning alife, Yeah I yeah,No, I just can't. I just
couldn't do it. Yeah. Ijust got a full body shiver. Yeah.
I think I used to say thatdrowning was my biggest fear, but
I think it's actually bunning a life. Uh. I have been in tricky
(21:18):
situations and water where I thought Imight drown huh. Not actually to the
point of like, yeah, drowning, but where I thought this could go
one way or the other. It'sterrifying and I don't like the I think
what I don't like is you don'thave control of yourself when you're drowning because
the situation is that you can't controlthat situation. You can't control the fucking
(21:41):
water. It does what it wantspretty much sinkswim. It is very much
sink or swim or get tossed aboutin waves that you shouldn't have been in
the first place. But the burning, I feel like you have more of
a chance. So this is comingfrom someone who like was panicking in lighting
candles and a birsty cake when theywere younger. I used to panic,
(22:04):
like, flames really disturb me forsome reason. I'm better now. You're
not better now, mouse, Stoplying to the people. Your husband bought
you an electric candle lighter, yes, because I get scared of matches.
Lie to the people, but I'venever used to be able to use a
(22:26):
lighter. I like candles, butI'm actually doing that now. You used
to be like pretty crazy about candles. When I get matches, I need
to get the extra long matches becausethe little tiny ones that when I light
them off the side of the boxand then then I go to light something
with them, I feel as Iwas going to burn my finger. It's
like going down the match right tomy finger. Yeah. Yeah, but
(22:47):
it just freaks me out. Youdo know that you won't catch on fire,
that you'll just get a little blisterat the end of your finger.
Yeah, And I know that Iwould be I would live, but it
just scares me. Okay, Soyeah, so you did buy me an
elect candle light, to which isawesome. Yes, So yeah, that's
how I light my candles, butyeah, flames in general terrify me.
(23:07):
I like fire, you like fire. I love fire. Campfire is one
of the most comforting things in theworld to me. We have a fire
and I love it. Yeah,but you won't light it. No,
no, no, that's just notmy department. Yeah, we have different
departments in this house. And Daveis head of fires. He's had a
fire. Yeah, I'm head ofquite a lot of boring things like food,
(23:30):
shopping, whatever. But that's fine. Not take that any day of
the week over fire. I can't, and all my years in this earth,
which has been a lot, Icannot understand the mechanics behind lighting a
fire. I just can't do it, really, I guess, like obviously,
I grew up in the wilderness andduring the eighties when peer parents didn't
(23:55):
care about their children, and Iremember setting the fire and lighting it when
I was like I don't know,seven eight, being taught how to set
the fire, lighting it, settingthe flu all that shit. I was
doing that chopping wood. You couldn'tset this fire in the summer because your
sofa is fucking weird. I triedso hard for so long, and I
(24:17):
kept smoking out your house, andI'm like, what kind of Swedish goddamn
contraption have they installed in this house? I don't know, because it's it's
stays department. I don't know.I need to watch him one day and
see what the magic is because Itried to fire. Addition, yeah,
because you know, obviously the flu'sattached to it. I don't know.
I don't know what any of thatmeans. I don't know what you do,
but I know that's a thing thathe who she's in and out?
(24:40):
Yeah, well you need it.You need it open so that you can
get the oxygen to the fire tofeed the flames. And you close it
a little bit if you want itto die down. If you want to
completely die out, you just shutthe flu. I just don't get it.
I just oxygen feeds fire. I'mthe only time I've ever been able
to light a fire is when Ibought one of those things at supermarket,
like those logs that you buy justthrow it, and I'm like, yea,
(25:06):
I've got fire, but like aand then I go, oh,
oh my god, do you knowwhat I used to do? I should
buy one of those logs, becausein my first house, I bought.
I had a woodbury fireplace, whichis amazing because it was a new build.
I don't know how that happened,but the I would put in that
one and then I would surrounded byreal wood. Okay, so the whole
(25:27):
thing would catch fire, you justlike the one wrapper and the whole thing
goes. I never thought of that. But that's another thing about life these
days. It's so fucking expensive forfirewood. Oh, I know, so
fucking expensive. Even coals expensive.And I used to be the cheaper option
and now that's even expensive. Yeah, so it's like, okay, we've
(25:48):
got fire and we can use thatrather than putting on electricity for heating.
About evervideos and using what a videosare and now it's like, oh that's
expensive as well. Firewood is expenseif I know that from camping. Yeah,
it's like eight pounds a bag orsomething like that. That was nothing
cheap. I mean I'm cheap.Okay, you mean like you don't love
(26:12):
you don't love the expensive things inlife? Is that what you mean?
I love the expensive things in life. It just means that I'm like,
you buy me one drink and I'mdone. Oh okay, that that cheap
yeah, I wouldn't really go aboutsaying you're cheap though, have a cheap
drunk by that way. Yeah,but no, I need to Maybe maybe
(26:33):
in my twilight years, I surelylearned how to do a fire properly.
I'll teach you. Maybe I'll letme. Tried to teach me to sow,
and look what happened there? Yeah, I ended up doing it.
I spent hours trying to teach me. So yeah, yeah, we spent
a couple of lunch breaks, like, you're teaching me to sew a button
on my jacket and I was likehopeless, and I was a brownie.
(26:53):
I got my sowing bad. ProbablyI think that's my grant out. But
yeah, I don't know how tosew. I don't know how to light
fires, and what other? Whatother life lessons should I learn? Before?
I'm like, can you make bread? No? Okay? But in
most the point that I can buyit, well, what happens if there's
(27:14):
a shortage? Would it happens ifthere's a pandemic? No, I find
out? God No, I like, I'm okay with buying bread tire Nope,
No, I can't either. I'vealways said I would go in one
of those courses that teach you likewhat to do if you break down and
what this has and I've never doneit. I mean, I've got I've
got rescue service. I know whatI've never I've never never got it.
(27:38):
Of all the people in the worldwho should have it, you should have
it, Well, I have myfirst really, my first car was really
really old, and I had likerescue service then and I needed it.
But ever since then, I've boughtWell, my car I've got just now
is a good three years old.Probably I've just never had it. Do
you run have run out of andrun the risk of running out of gas
(28:00):
on a daily basis? Yes,yes, so you should probably have it.
But can I just say it's onlyhad once? I don't know how,
and it was it was in it'sin the town I live. Yeah,
and one of these other mums rescuedme, I know. And anytime
now that, like I'm picking upour child or we're going somewhere whatever,
(28:22):
I'll always say, don't worry,I'm not going to run it a petrol
and she'll just laugh at me.Yes, which is funny, but no,
you know, maybe one day allin all these things, I doubt
it. No, I doubt it. I'm just totally lazy. Now.
Yeah, oh we could do itfor festival. You're having a festival.
I'm having a festival in the summer. We can have a fire pit and
I'll show you. No, we'vegot fire pits, so we could do
(28:45):
that. Yeah, yeah, youcould actually yeah, show me at the
start of the night rather than theend. Yeah, I will. Although
I think because I had a niceTI in July last year for a special
occasion, I'm just as nicely thinkingthat every July is now going to be
nice. I know it may notbe, but we're camping out at we're
(29:08):
camping out. It's out and oneof our friends is very against that,
but even more funnier that we're doingit. Oh yeah, we can do
a proper little festival and suwhere itwill be lovely. Are we done?
I think we're done. Okay,we've covered all topics today. Thanks for
listening, everybody. I hope you'restill listening. It's episode four, So
(29:30):
it's episode four, and episode fouris always a bit bumpy, but everybody
knows that. You know, wehave a laughing episode four and everything's out
the window, laugh laugh time Oshout about stuff and nearly fall asleep.
But it's all good. We're stillhere and thanks anybody for listening or listening.
Figures recently have been really good andwe need to say thank you to
everybody for that. Come over toour socials for a chin wag anytime we
(29:56):
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do think. I think I mentionedeverybody, but have I forgotten you?
I'm sorry, my memory is terrible. We are in a fog right now,
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(30:18):
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