September 27, 2024 • 31 mins
In Season 7 Episode 2 Holly and Gary talk about Mistaken Identity Murders. Garry kicks things off with the story of Martin Trayton Smith before Holly talks about Rishmeet Singh.
Shoutout to Emma Jo for this week’s topic suggestion! Thanks so much.
The co-hosts are riddled with plague and are very poor babies who need their beds, Holly’s OCD carries over into the swimming pool, the metric system strikes again, and the dying prowess of Rambo is reviewed. WE ARE THE LAST GENERATION TO UNDERSTAND THIS PHENOMENA.
Production, recording and postproduction completed by Holly who has licked a bunch of candy and posted it to Consulting Producer Craig so he too can be infected with plague as punishment for not doing her bidding.
Holly edited this week. All complaints should be sent directly to Garry while Consulting Producer Craig definitely doesn’t eat the soggy bag of candy.
www.whichmurderer.com – WE HAVE MERCH! Go check it out.
WARNING - Explicit language, content and themes (plus whatever else will cover us legally). All opinions stated are our own and case information was gathered from legitimate sources within the public realm.
Pre-recorded in Scotland
Shoutout to Emma Jo for this week’s topic suggestion! Thanks so much.
The co-hosts are riddled with plague and are very poor babies who need their beds, Holly’s OCD carries over into the swimming pool, the metric system strikes again, and the dying prowess of Rambo is reviewed. WE ARE THE LAST GENERATION TO UNDERSTAND THIS PHENOMENA.
Production, recording and postproduction completed by Holly who has licked a bunch of candy and posted it to Consulting Producer Craig so he too can be infected with plague as punishment for not doing her bidding.
Holly edited this week. All complaints should be sent directly to Garry while Consulting Producer Craig definitely doesn’t eat the soggy bag of candy.
www.whichmurderer.com – WE HAVE MERCH! Go check it out.
WARNING - Explicit language, content and themes (plus whatever else will cover us legally). All opinions stated are our own and case information was gathered from legitimate sources within the public realm.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
The gown if you like.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hi Gary, Hello Walley, How are you not good?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Why wisdom?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yes you are. We think we have COVID, but the
COVID tests say we do not have COVID.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
That's because COVID isn't real.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It is very real. Yeah, it's very real because I've
had it like seventeen times. Yes, we are coming to you,
not live from our sick beds. We are a pitiful pair.
I wind all at work today and my boss is,
one of my bosses, is going to Italy next week,
(01:04):
and he was considering isolating me. They didn't. Yeah, yeah,
last week that you you all noticed because I heard
from you that there was no episode. And that is
because I was traveling to London for my friends graduation
from university. My darling, Chelsea from high school has graduated
(01:26):
from some university which I won't disclose in London, and
she has gone right into her master so earned her
degree and is just taking zero time off and going
right in to her master's and then her doctorate and
then I'll be able to call her doctor Chelsea, see
(01:46):
what's up? What's Oh my god? Yes. The only downside
is she can't prescribe medications enough of it, you do.
You give the NHS a run for their money. Let's
see what it has been happenings. What has been happening.
I'm sick. I can't remember things. Did we do anything?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh, we went swimming.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We did go swimming. It wasn't just swimming, it was
bougie swimming.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah. It was ninety minute drive. We had to pull
with ourselves.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, run out of things to talk about in the
pool so many times. And all we did was kind
of sort of all the kind of swimming apparatus now,
like the mats and stuff and the balls. We did play.
We did play with a ball. Yeah, we threw it
to you.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So we didn't run out of stuff to say. It's
just you only wanted to talk about one subject.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But you said no, you said every time I started
in new conversation, you would go and do some lines
in the book.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah. I wanted to get my swimming. And it was
such a nice pool. Was we have the pool to ourselves.
It was so hot, it was like swimming in a
big bathtub. And it's out in the middle of nowhere.
It's just it's a gorgeous little hidden spot, which I'm
absolutely gate kipping because I want to keep it to
myself and it's really hard to get a spot in there.
But yeah, and I did organize all the pool apparatus
(03:19):
because I have OCD a little and I just felt
like it would be good for them. I have been organized.
We've got Canadian Thanksgiving coming up in a couple of weeks,
so it was organizing that while in London, and then
we got about fifty Amazon packages after that session.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, is that the thanks give them stuff that they can.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, the food, not all the food, just the dry goods. Yeah,
there's gonna be a lot, a lot to organize, but yeah,
otherwise we are just same old, same old. This week
we are talking about mistaken identity murders and this was
(04:01):
suggested by Emma Joe. Thank you, Emma Joe. It was
very kind of you to suggest that. Keep your suggestions
coming because we will eventually run out, although we've got
them going until season eight, so that's super cool. You're first.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
We'll got a goal.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Okay, he's going to be a bit snottery, but bless him.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I'll goot. Richard's twenty six year old Coleman sex foot
tall and made seventeen stone.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Okay, hold on, our North American friends don't know what
a stone is.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Right, okay, well the stone is roughly sex kill.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
All, so fourteen pounds.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And approximately fourteen pounds.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, yeah, thirteen or fourteen pounds.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh, yes, that is sex kill. Yeah a stone.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I think or six and a half or something like that.
So anyway, it's like roughly twelve to fourteen pounds per stone. Yeah,
I can't do that math. But heavy, right, seventeen stone?
Is it heavy or no?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yes, I mean it's.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Roughly okay, well it's not that big then.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
No, well yeah it's but it's not likely. The average
in the UK for some day is kind of five
nine the way, about thirteen or fourteen stone.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, but everybody in the UK is stunted because they
don't eat good vegetables.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But this guy was six foot Yeah, it was your height.
Do you want me to start this again?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
No, anyway, carry on, you're seventeen stone and was described
as a gentle giant.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
He and his wife Diane spent the evening of the
August Bank Holiday of nineteen eighty two socializing in pubs
in burry Port, car Marshshire, before going down to the
town's hard. But actually is it's Carl.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Marshare car Marthshire.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, Carl Marshire or carl Marthenshire is it? Yeah? Sorry, Carmarthenshire.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
All the people of Carmarthenshire are going to write in
and be outraged.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, I'm listening because of the the bug of the
virus I've got.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Before going down to the town's harbor for a walk
at around twelve thirty am, it was an area where
they were fond of visiting, the couple ended up having
set by the jetty wall. Oh Sandy, that's sex not
number six yeah, Scottish. Shortly afterwards, they had a growling
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noise and a man emerged from the darkness and jumped
on them, shouting that's my fucking girlfriend. The attacker then
ran off, saying words to the effect of I'm sorry,
I thought that was my girlfriend. It must have been
a bizarre and terrifying incident. But then thirty four year
(07:06):
old missus Richards realized that those few strange seconds her
husband had been stabbed. The women went to get help
from nearby houses, but mister Richards had been stabbed through
the heart and could not be saved. Just like Dexter
he died at the scene.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, that's what Dexter does, doesn't He right through the heart.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Police were alerting to the attack and that morning a
huge policing operation began, with dozens of officers descending on
the coastal town in search of the harbor and beach
area was started in the hopes of finding clues, and
house to house inquiries were launched in the town and
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in the nearby shoreline caravan park. As the officer setched
the beach that morning, a young man came jogging by
and stopped him to talk. He was local, twenty one
year old Martin Trading Smith, and he was the mother.
He told the officers that he was just out for
a morning run, but in reality, he had returned to
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the crime scene looking for the knife he had dropped
in the darkness and confusion of the previous night. He
was spoken to and his details were taken, and then
he was allowed to go on his way.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
How did he picture that going? Like he was just
going to casually walk up to the crime scene and
just casually pocket the knife. Yeah, I think the coups
might notice that.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Over the coming days, the police investigation continued and as
part of the probe. Officers visited the Burry Port pubs
the couple had been to and hours before the attack,
the hope An Anchor, the Cornish Arms, and the Portabello
to chat to customers who had hoped may having pulled information.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Right, so this was in Cornwall.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, yeah. Detectives also thought that as a sailing fled
the scene, he may have injured himself on the jagged
metal of the Second World War tank traps partially buried
in the sands around the harbor, so they began checking
the hospitals and doctor surgeries. One of really detectives was
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following reports of a young man seen running like hell
away from the harbor area and towards the house and
estate near the power station shortly after one am on
the night in question. Officers also took missus Richard's back
to the jetty, where they conducted a private reconstruction of events.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That's a bit weird, that doesn't seem right.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
No, it was a kind of small town maybe lack
of resources and stuff and the kind of I mean,
can I try to pint a picture of themselves?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And feels like something David Tennant would do in a
BBC series.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, definitely, definitely. In the early stages of the manhunt,
description of the assailant perhaps offered a little hope of
identifying him, who was described as a man of indeterminate
age with dark hair and a local accent. As the
investigation progressed, police said they had not been able to
find anyone who held a grudge against the general Giant,
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and the mistaken identity was the best hypothesis officers had
to work on. To that end, detectives appealed to anyone
who had information about any local young men and women
who had recently argued or split up to come forward,
as a Western Mail put at the time, village gossips
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could hold the key to finding the killer. The house
to house inquiries eventually see some five thousand people spoken
to and led to more than twelve hundred statements being
taken Wow, the detective leading the investigation die foed. Powys
Police Detective Superintendent Pat Molly or Malloy, said he was
(11:06):
confident that the killer was to be found within half
a mile radius. He said, we have a lot of
information coming in from the public because there is a
great deal of interest. Ave noticed beer mugs full of
pound notes in every bar counter in burry Port and
a collection for the breathed family. There's a great deal
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of outrage about what has been done to her husband.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah. They were just looking to have some sacks and
then they got killed.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
A major breakthrough came when the suspected mother weapon was
found near the pier, a vegetable knife with a three
inch long blade, which was described in South Wales Evening
Post at the time as a sort of knife a
housewife used to peel potatoes or apples. That's tiny in Wales.
(11:57):
I thought we were talking about cornro I.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Mean I thought we were. But that was best purely
on the name of a pub, which could have been
all right. Yeah, so I thought it was taking two
different stories.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Okay, okay, So anybody missed that. There it's you know,
mister Wheles. News pictures of the distinctive, distinctive looking kitchen knife,
which was missing one of the two rivets on the
wooden handle or posted around but report and hopes that
someone could identify where it came from. The knife, along
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with fibers, hair and items of clothing recovered during the
sales operation, we're send for friends testing to a crime
lab in Chepster or Chepstow, Cheapstow. I don't know how
it was saying I don't know either. These tests would
show that blood found on the knife was the same
group as deceased, and crucially, there was a fingerprint on
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the handle.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
A fucking he didn't even wear gloves.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Mm hmm seems yeah, I don't know he does they
watch the Dexter.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
He doesn't watch Dexter. Well he might because he stabbed
on Bright in the heart.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Some three weeks after the murther, twenty one year old Smith,
a native burry Port who had moved to Nath the
previous year to work in the town's Midland Bank, was
arresting in charge. The defendant pleaded not guilty to murther
claiming he had not been in burry Port on the
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night in question, and the matter went to trial at
Swansea Crown Court in April nineteen eighty three. That would
explain why he's not seen Dexter.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That would explain it. Maybe Dexter was sort of based
on him.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Possibly, and he's just kind of, you know, fixed to
kind of rough.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Parts part where he got caught. I loved a fingerprint
on a bloody knife.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, yeah, but where he had a motion for his girlfriend.
He doesn't really show a motion there, you.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Know, dexter No, but he would avenge.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, are really.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Spoiler.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Given her evidence to the jury of the six men
and six women, Missus Richards described how she and her
husband had gone down to the harbor for a walk
about twelve thirty am, where they kissed and cuddled and
had sex. She said, we had finished having intercourse and
there was a noise like a big grill behind me.
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It was a horrible sound. When the noise came, I
could send somebody coming from behind me. Albert threw me
against the wall and the attack had jumped on Albert.
She later described how the attack I had shouted that's
my fucking girlfriend, before running off ter the night. She
confirmed she did not know the assailant. By the time
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Smith came to give evidence, his story had changed from
the first account he gave to replace. He now accepted
he had been in burry Port on the night in question,
and said he went down to the beach late at
the night for bird watching mm hmmm. From the witness box,
he described how he had been on the harbor wall
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when he was attacked by mister Richards and was knocked
to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face. Smith
told jurors he tried to fend off the blows and
lashed out at his the sailing unaware he was holding
a knife in his hand. He said he always carried
a knife with him when he was out indulging in
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passion for ornithology, and used the blade primarily for removing
shellfish from rocks and for opening it.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I mean it, it doesn't hold.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Up, but I mean you could. You could get into
an optercation with something couln't you.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But for what reason? Why would somebody attack a bird watcher?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
But did they? Did they get them? It was three
weeks with it after it, I think they had enough
evidence and they got them. Yeah, so he wouldn't have
any bruising in it, and they kind of cleared up
with him.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And yeah, I probably would.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I'm just saying if they got my bit sooner, then
he could have used that possibly if it did, But then.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Why would you flee and why would you lie? And yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, I don't know. Because stabbed somebody.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I don't believe him.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, I don't believe man. But I'm just as possible,
I guess. Smith said he didn't realize he may have
injured the other man until he got home and saw
blood on his top. He said he panicked and dumped
his bud staying top in a bin on his way
to work in Nif. He admitted he had initially given
a false account of his whereabouts to place because he
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didn't think officers would believe his bud watching story, and
he said he knew that when he was fingerprinted, the
police would match his prints with those found those who
found a knife. Smith and I trying to mislead the
investigation by lying about the ending of our relationship. He
had claimed his relationship with local teenager Judith Davies had
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ended in January before the murther, when in reality Miss
Davis had ended it just three days before the bank holiday,
with the prosecution putting forward the mistaken identity theory before
the killing. At one stage during the trial, Missus Richards
stood side by side in the witness box with Smith's
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x Miss Davis, for the jury to compare the appearance
of the two women. After summing up the evidence in
the case, the judge, Mister Justice Michael Davies told the
jurors that one of the prime primary witnesses he had
heard from Missus Richard's and the defendant Smith was lying
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to run. He said, one or the other is lying.
You can't explain the difference in the stories by believing
one or the other has made a mistake. You have
to make up your mind where the truth wise. That's
a crucial issue in the case. After considering its verdict
for just inunder seven hours, the jury found Smith guilty
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of mother by a majority of ten to two. He
persentenced to life in prison, but given his age and
lack of previous convictions, the judge said that they would
not impose a minimum term. The defendant had to serve
right so he.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Could apply for parole day time.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Then, after what Missus Richard called the twelve years of
hell following the murder on trial, she began to train
with the charity Victim Support in order to help others
suffering as victims of crime. She also established the Campaign
for Justice, calling for murderers and the other violent offenders
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to have lifelong sentences. As part of the campaign, she
called for harsher conditions in prison, saying inmates love a
holiday camp existence where they are allowed to study for
university degrees and watch television and videos to the hearts
can tent right in the Western Mail in nineteen ninety five,
she said, why should they get it easy when the
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victims are left to serve their own sentences. It's believe
Smith was released from prison on license the same year
Missus Richards and article, having served twelve years behind bars
of the munder of the burry Port Coleman twelve years.
He only did twelve years.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I mean, I suppose there wasn't any premeditation in it.
He was just a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
In nineteen ninety eight he breached the conditions of his
license and the Home Office we called him back to prison,
but he absconded and fled the jurisdiction. In July two thousand,
The Irish Independent reported that Smith was convicted of raping
a young woman on the pier in Galway, in the
West of Ireland, and was sentenced to twelve years in prison.
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In two thousand and eight, he was extradited back to
the UK following a ruling from the High Court in Dublin. Wow,
so you get twelve year again in Dublin. In the
twelve year. Then yeah, the extra day and so he.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Will say back in prison. Then yeah, what a piece
of shit.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Wow, wow, I actually forgot that.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Well it's good when you forget your own story, because
he was surprised too.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
So the daily Post. Ah and Vicky.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Okay, good one and we're back okay. In twenty nineteen,
fourteen year old rish Meat Singh, a Sikh, had fled
his homeland of Afghanistan with his mother and grandmother after
his father was murdered by the Taliban. The family lived
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in London, and rish Meat was described as a good
person who wouldn't hurt a fly. He wanted to help people,
and in twenty twenty one was attending college taking a
public service course to help him become a police officer.
Rish Meat, as the only son of his mother, was
also her terror. I don't know what her condition was,
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but she had a condition that she needed to care for.
On November twenty fourth, twenty twenty one, he was at
a park with his friends and had been just leaving
to head home when he saw two males running at
him with a three foot long machete and a rambo knife.
Bad no boo. Rish Meat turned to his friends, telling
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them all to run so that they could get away.
As he tried to flee, rish Meat tripped and fell
to the ground, which is God, it's always your worst nightmare,
like in nightmares or whatever. You're running or in horror
movies and they always fall and you're like, could you
just not not fall? Not falling? So when he was
on the ground, he was repeatedly stabbed in a horrific attack,
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which was all caught on CCTV. I did not look
this up because I didn't want to see it. The
attackers were both seventeen Venusian Bala christianan'll Do and Ilias Suliman,
who were from Hillingdon, West London. That evening they had
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set out on bicycles, armed with their weapons and wearing
COVID masks with their hoods up to go into enemy
gang territory to target rivals.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Plants. What I'm Levett and you send those names?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
What we're levitating plants? The plants? Why you need to
take less cold.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Medication magic like sing?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
It does sound like something out of Arabian Nights.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, you know, I've had that.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Rock said that, having wrongly identified brish Meat as a
gang member, they sat upon him, stabbing and slashing him.
He had stab wounds to his head and chest, internally
injuring his brain, liver, and lungs. He also had devastating
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arm injuries from trying to defend himself, So I would
imagine maybe an artery was severed there.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, I mean lost fingers. M Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Awful. Despite police and paramedics arriving quickly on the scene,
Rishmeat died where he was attacked, which sounds like a
major blood loss situation. Although if he had a traumatic
brain injury as well, that could have that could have
done it.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, I mean it would have been terrifying. It would
have been pain for Oh yeah, I don't think it
would have been quick.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
No, it would be terrifying for sure. Venusian took his
bloodstained knife home into his bedroom, where he photographed it
and posted on social media. Because seventeen year olds are
dumb as fuck. You can you can't commit murder as
a seventeen year old and get away with what you
just can't. He then wrote song lyrics in his notebook,
recounting proudly the attack in detail. Again, don't keep a diary.
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The same notebook held notes from his Dangers of Knife
Crime course that he had been ordered to take after
being stopped by police in January of twenty twenty one
with a knife. So he the same notebook that he's
writing about this murder in he had used for a
course that the police had made him take on the
dangers of knives.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
In the police for them.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, like he just he yeah, the course maybe isn't working.
His referral order gave him a social worker who was
teaching him this course, so he had a social worker
try to teach him about the dangers of knife crime.
Between Venusian and Ilias, they stabbed rish meat fifteen times
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in March of twenty twenty three at the Old Bailey
in London. Both were found guilty and in May of
that year, the new should received a minimum of twenty
four years in prison and Ilias received a minimum of
twenty one years. While on remand, Venusian had also attacked
a fellow inmate at a young offenders institute, leaving them
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with severe brain damage. So he sounds like a fucking gem.
Did I tell you that I looked up my family
at the Old Bailey for I just want to look
at like the last name of my family just to
see if, like any of them had been in the
Old Bailey because you can look up the records online
on Old Bailey dot com or something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I think maybe on a jury or no.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
No, no, Like I was looking to see if any
of them had been convicted in jail. Yeah, And it
was like, not my immediate family, but way back in
the day, and there was, like I think in the
eighteenth century or nineteenth century, there was a twelve year
old with my family's last name who was and my
family doesn't have a super common last name, and he
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was put to death or was he sent away one
or the other. I can't remember. He was either sent
to the colonies or put to death for highway robbery.
But he was twelve. I'm like, you can't put twelve
year old in jail or kill them. That's the end.
I got this from a Metro article by Sam corbisly
corbishly corbishly or con bishly my writing has not been
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clear there from May tenth, twenty twenty three. And it
was super sad because this was the only child of
this poor woman with special needs whose husband had already
been murdered by the tallyman all because these idiotic gang
members thought that they were targeting someone from a rival gang.
It was just this college kid who wanted to be
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a cop.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, I mean nave came heels play bad. It is
in London, the law of it obviously Glasgow.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, Glasgow's quite bad for a knife crime. Anyway, that's
my tale, and we're back. We must conclude. How would
you rather die? Knife or knife? Knife or machete?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Definitely not machete. I think I don't know how you
pick one blow you're going to die anyway. Yeah, I
would rather to just take the one blow. I don't
want to view any anymore pain.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, it was like a tiny little knife as well. Yeah,
it just went right into his heart.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, not that it makes it any better.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
It doesn't. It doesn't. But I mean I think just
taking it once and known that you are okay, I'm
going to lose this fight here. Instead, they've been dropped
up to bits, you know, wondering if you're going to
live or die, you know, might not even known even known, yeah, yeah,
even though if you're going to live, a dying with
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a brain injury, with his so many cuts and stuff,
not Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
He had defensive wounds on his arms. So yeah, I
think I'm going to pick the same one as you.
I'm going to pick yours because I don't just the
idea of a machete just puts me off so much.
I don't like any knife crime. Well, I don't like
any crime, but the machete idea, like, it just gives
me the hebes?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And what was it? Was it all about Rambo knife?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
You said, the Rabo knife, which is like solid, solid
and it's got like a serrated edge and on the
sharp edge.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Right, Yeah, that's not nice.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Do you realize that when we say Rambo knife, we
know what that means. But those teenagers have probably never
seen Rambo. Probably that's depressing. I feel like Rambo is
a very specific point in time where we accepted bad acting. Yeah,
it was really bad acting in Rambo. No, that's Rocky.
(28:49):
Rocky had slightly better acting in it. I don't know
what happened with Rambo. It just all went downhill. All right, Well,
we are going to stop recording now because we're both sick.
We need to die.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Thank you for alive. Next week you get a podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Oh yeah, I'll keep you posted. It's it's fun. Isn't it.
You never know if you're going to get an episode.
But yeah, hopefully we can record next oh god, yeah,
and then we have to write some more so yeah, yeah,
we're gonna have to write on top of everything else.
I also have a UNI assignment due the weekend of Thanksgiving.
I want to die, God, please just take me.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Okay, that's just end of the podcast.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hi Gary, Hello Walley, How are you not good?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Why wisdom?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yes you are. We think we have COVID, but the
COVID tests say we do not have COVID.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
That's because COVID isn't real.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It is very real. Yeah, it's very real because I've
had it like seventeen times. Yes, we are coming to you,
not live from our sick beds. We are a pitiful pair.
I wind all at work today and my boss is,
one of my bosses, is going to Italy next week,
(01:04):
and he was considering isolating me. They didn't. Yeah, yeah,
last week that you you all noticed because I heard
from you that there was no episode. And that is
because I was traveling to London for my friends graduation
from university. My darling, Chelsea from high school has graduated
(01:26):
from some university which I won't disclose in London, and
she has gone right into her master so earned her
degree and is just taking zero time off and going
right in to her master's and then her doctorate and
then I'll be able to call her doctor Chelsea, see
(01:46):
what's up? What's Oh my god? Yes. The only downside
is she can't prescribe medications enough of it, you do.
You give the NHS a run for their money. Let's
see what it has been happenings. What has been happening.
I'm sick. I can't remember things. Did we do anything?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh, we went swimming.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We did go swimming. It wasn't just swimming, it was
bougie swimming.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah. It was ninety minute drive. We had to pull
with ourselves.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, run out of things to talk about in the
pool so many times. And all we did was kind
of sort of all the kind of swimming apparatus now,
like the mats and stuff and the balls. We did play.
We did play with a ball. Yeah, we threw it
to you.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So we didn't run out of stuff to say. It's
just you only wanted to talk about one subject.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But you said no, you said every time I started
in new conversation, you would go and do some lines
in the book.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah. I wanted to get my swimming. And it was
such a nice pool. Was we have the pool to ourselves.
It was so hot, it was like swimming in a
big bathtub. And it's out in the middle of nowhere.
It's just it's a gorgeous little hidden spot, which I'm
absolutely gate kipping because I want to keep it to
myself and it's really hard to get a spot in there.
But yeah, and I did organize all the pool apparatus
(03:19):
because I have OCD a little and I just felt
like it would be good for them. I have been organized.
We've got Canadian Thanksgiving coming up in a couple of weeks,
so it was organizing that while in London, and then
we got about fifty Amazon packages after that session.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, is that the thanks give them stuff that they can.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, the food, not all the food, just the dry goods. Yeah,
there's gonna be a lot, a lot to organize, but yeah,
otherwise we are just same old, same old. This week
we are talking about mistaken identity murders and this was
(04:01):
suggested by Emma Joe. Thank you, Emma Joe. It was
very kind of you to suggest that. Keep your suggestions
coming because we will eventually run out, although we've got
them going until season eight, so that's super cool. You're first.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
We'll got a goal.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Okay, he's going to be a bit snottery, but bless him.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I'll goot. Richard's twenty six year old Coleman sex foot
tall and made seventeen stone.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Okay, hold on, our North American friends don't know what
a stone is.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Right, okay, well the stone is roughly sex kill.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
All, so fourteen pounds.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And approximately fourteen pounds.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, yeah, thirteen or fourteen pounds.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh, yes, that is sex kill. Yeah a stone.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I think or six and a half or something like that.
So anyway, it's like roughly twelve to fourteen pounds per stone. Yeah,
I can't do that math. But heavy, right, seventeen stone?
Is it heavy or no?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yes, I mean it's.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Roughly okay, well it's not that big then.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
No, well yeah it's but it's not likely. The average
in the UK for some day is kind of five
nine the way, about thirteen or fourteen stone.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, but everybody in the UK is stunted because they
don't eat good vegetables.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But this guy was six foot Yeah, it was your height.
Do you want me to start this again?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
No, anyway, carry on, you're seventeen stone and was described
as a gentle giant.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
He and his wife Diane spent the evening of the
August Bank Holiday of nineteen eighty two socializing in pubs
in burry Port, car Marshshire, before going down to the
town's hard. But actually is it's Carl.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Marshare car Marthshire.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, Carl Marshire or carl Marthenshire is it? Yeah? Sorry, Carmarthenshire.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
All the people of Carmarthenshire are going to write in
and be outraged.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, I'm listening because of the the bug of the
virus I've got.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Before going down to the town's harbor for a walk
at around twelve thirty am, it was an area where
they were fond of visiting, the couple ended up having
set by the jetty wall. Oh Sandy, that's sex not
number six yeah, Scottish. Shortly afterwards, they had a growling
(06:44):
noise and a man emerged from the darkness and jumped
on them, shouting that's my fucking girlfriend. The attacker then
ran off, saying words to the effect of I'm sorry,
I thought that was my girlfriend. It must have been
a bizarre and terrifying incident. But then thirty four year
(07:06):
old missus Richards realized that those few strange seconds her
husband had been stabbed. The women went to get help
from nearby houses, but mister Richards had been stabbed through
the heart and could not be saved. Just like Dexter
he died at the scene.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, that's what Dexter does, doesn't He right through the heart.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Police were alerting to the attack and that morning a
huge policing operation began, with dozens of officers descending on
the coastal town in search of the harbor and beach
area was started in the hopes of finding clues, and
house to house inquiries were launched in the town and
(07:50):
in the nearby shoreline caravan park. As the officer setched
the beach that morning, a young man came jogging by
and stopped him to talk. He was local, twenty one
year old Martin Trading Smith, and he was the mother.
He told the officers that he was just out for
a morning run, but in reality, he had returned to
(08:12):
the crime scene looking for the knife he had dropped
in the darkness and confusion of the previous night. He
was spoken to and his details were taken, and then
he was allowed to go on his way.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
How did he picture that going? Like he was just
going to casually walk up to the crime scene and
just casually pocket the knife. Yeah, I think the coups
might notice that.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Over the coming days, the police investigation continued and as
part of the probe. Officers visited the Burry Port pubs
the couple had been to and hours before the attack,
the hope An Anchor, the Cornish Arms, and the Portabello
to chat to customers who had hoped may having pulled information.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Right, so this was in Cornwall.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, yeah. Detectives also thought that as a sailing fled
the scene, he may have injured himself on the jagged
metal of the Second World War tank traps partially buried
in the sands around the harbor, so they began checking
the hospitals and doctor surgeries. One of really detectives was
(09:24):
following reports of a young man seen running like hell
away from the harbor area and towards the house and
estate near the power station shortly after one am on
the night in question. Officers also took missus Richard's back
to the jetty, where they conducted a private reconstruction of events.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That's a bit weird, that doesn't seem right.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
No, it was a kind of small town maybe lack
of resources and stuff and the kind of I mean,
can I try to pint a picture of themselves?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And feels like something David Tennant would do in a
BBC series.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, definitely, definitely. In the early stages of the manhunt,
description of the assailant perhaps offered a little hope of
identifying him, who was described as a man of indeterminate
age with dark hair and a local accent. As the
investigation progressed, police said they had not been able to
find anyone who held a grudge against the general Giant,
(10:22):
and the mistaken identity was the best hypothesis officers had
to work on. To that end, detectives appealed to anyone
who had information about any local young men and women
who had recently argued or split up to come forward,
as a Western Mail put at the time, village gossips
(10:43):
could hold the key to finding the killer. The house
to house inquiries eventually see some five thousand people spoken
to and led to more than twelve hundred statements being
taken Wow, the detective leading the investigation die foed. Powys
Police Detective Superintendent Pat Molly or Malloy, said he was
(11:06):
confident that the killer was to be found within half
a mile radius. He said, we have a lot of
information coming in from the public because there is a
great deal of interest. Ave noticed beer mugs full of
pound notes in every bar counter in burry Port and
a collection for the breathed family. There's a great deal
(11:29):
of outrage about what has been done to her husband.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah. They were just looking to have some sacks and
then they got killed.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
A major breakthrough came when the suspected mother weapon was
found near the pier, a vegetable knife with a three
inch long blade, which was described in South Wales Evening
Post at the time as a sort of knife a
housewife used to peel potatoes or apples. That's tiny in Wales.
(11:57):
I thought we were talking about cornro I.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Mean I thought we were. But that was best purely
on the name of a pub, which could have been
all right. Yeah, so I thought it was taking two
different stories.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Okay, okay, So anybody missed that. There it's you know,
mister Wheles. News pictures of the distinctive, distinctive looking kitchen knife,
which was missing one of the two rivets on the
wooden handle or posted around but report and hopes that
someone could identify where it came from. The knife, along
(12:33):
with fibers, hair and items of clothing recovered during the
sales operation, we're send for friends testing to a crime
lab in Chepster or Chepstow, Cheapstow. I don't know how
it was saying I don't know either. These tests would
show that blood found on the knife was the same
group as deceased, and crucially, there was a fingerprint on
(12:55):
the handle.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
A fucking he didn't even wear gloves.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Mm hmm seems yeah, I don't know he does they
watch the Dexter.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
He doesn't watch Dexter. Well he might because he stabbed
on Bright in the heart.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Some three weeks after the murther, twenty one year old Smith,
a native burry Port who had moved to Nath the
previous year to work in the town's Midland Bank, was
arresting in charge. The defendant pleaded not guilty to murther
claiming he had not been in burry Port on the
(13:26):
night in question, and the matter went to trial at
Swansea Crown Court in April nineteen eighty three. That would
explain why he's not seen Dexter.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That would explain it. Maybe Dexter was sort of based
on him.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Possibly, and he's just kind of, you know, fixed to
kind of rough.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Parts part where he got caught. I loved a fingerprint
on a bloody knife.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, yeah, but where he had a motion for his girlfriend.
He doesn't really show a motion there, you.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Know, dexter No, but he would avenge.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, are really.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Spoiler.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Given her evidence to the jury of the six men
and six women, Missus Richards described how she and her
husband had gone down to the harbor for a walk
about twelve thirty am, where they kissed and cuddled and
had sex. She said, we had finished having intercourse and
there was a noise like a big grill behind me.
(14:27):
It was a horrible sound. When the noise came, I
could send somebody coming from behind me. Albert threw me
against the wall and the attack had jumped on Albert.
She later described how the attack I had shouted that's
my fucking girlfriend, before running off ter the night. She
confirmed she did not know the assailant. By the time
(14:51):
Smith came to give evidence, his story had changed from
the first account he gave to replace. He now accepted
he had been in burry Port on the night in question,
and said he went down to the beach late at
the night for bird watching mm hmmm. From the witness box,
he described how he had been on the harbor wall
(15:11):
when he was attacked by mister Richards and was knocked
to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face. Smith
told jurors he tried to fend off the blows and
lashed out at his the sailing unaware he was holding
a knife in his hand. He said he always carried
a knife with him when he was out indulging in
(15:32):
passion for ornithology, and used the blade primarily for removing
shellfish from rocks and for opening it.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I mean it, it doesn't hold.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Up, but I mean you could. You could get into
an optercation with something couln't you.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But for what reason? Why would somebody attack a bird watcher?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
But did they? Did they get them? It was three
weeks with it after it, I think they had enough
evidence and they got them. Yeah, so he wouldn't have
any bruising in it, and they kind of cleared up
with him.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And yeah, I probably would.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I'm just saying if they got my bit sooner, then
he could have used that possibly if it did, But then.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Why would you flee and why would you lie? And yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, I don't know. Because stabbed somebody.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I don't believe him.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, I don't believe man. But I'm just as possible,
I guess. Smith said he didn't realize he may have
injured the other man until he got home and saw
blood on his top. He said he panicked and dumped
his bud staying top in a bin on his way
to work in Nif. He admitted he had initially given
a false account of his whereabouts to place because he
(16:44):
didn't think officers would believe his bud watching story, and
he said he knew that when he was fingerprinted, the
police would match his prints with those found those who
found a knife. Smith and I trying to mislead the
investigation by lying about the ending of our relationship. He
had claimed his relationship with local teenager Judith Davies had
(17:07):
ended in January before the murther, when in reality Miss
Davis had ended it just three days before the bank holiday,
with the prosecution putting forward the mistaken identity theory before
the killing. At one stage during the trial, Missus Richards
stood side by side in the witness box with Smith's
(17:27):
x Miss Davis, for the jury to compare the appearance
of the two women. After summing up the evidence in
the case, the judge, Mister Justice Michael Davies told the
jurors that one of the prime primary witnesses he had
heard from Missus Richard's and the defendant Smith was lying
(17:48):
to run. He said, one or the other is lying.
You can't explain the difference in the stories by believing
one or the other has made a mistake. You have
to make up your mind where the truth wise. That's
a crucial issue in the case. After considering its verdict
for just inunder seven hours, the jury found Smith guilty
(18:08):
of mother by a majority of ten to two. He
persentenced to life in prison, but given his age and
lack of previous convictions, the judge said that they would
not impose a minimum term. The defendant had to serve
right so he.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Could apply for parole day time.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Then, after what Missus Richard called the twelve years of
hell following the murder on trial, she began to train
with the charity Victim Support in order to help others
suffering as victims of crime. She also established the Campaign
for Justice, calling for murderers and the other violent offenders
(18:43):
to have lifelong sentences. As part of the campaign, she
called for harsher conditions in prison, saying inmates love a
holiday camp existence where they are allowed to study for
university degrees and watch television and videos to the hearts
can tent right in the Western Mail in nineteen ninety five,
she said, why should they get it easy when the
(19:05):
victims are left to serve their own sentences. It's believe
Smith was released from prison on license the same year
Missus Richards and article, having served twelve years behind bars
of the munder of the burry Port Coleman twelve years.
He only did twelve years.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I mean, I suppose there wasn't any premeditation in it.
He was just a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
In nineteen ninety eight he breached the conditions of his
license and the Home Office we called him back to prison,
but he absconded and fled the jurisdiction. In July two thousand,
The Irish Independent reported that Smith was convicted of raping
a young woman on the pier in Galway, in the
West of Ireland, and was sentenced to twelve years in prison.
(19:51):
In two thousand and eight, he was extradited back to
the UK following a ruling from the High Court in Dublin. Wow,
so you get twelve year again in Dublin. In the
twelve year. Then yeah, the extra day and so he.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Will say back in prison. Then yeah, what a piece
of shit.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Wow, wow, I actually forgot that.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Well it's good when you forget your own story, because
he was surprised too.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
So the daily Post. Ah and Vicky.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Okay, good one and we're back okay. In twenty nineteen,
fourteen year old rish Meat Singh, a Sikh, had fled
his homeland of Afghanistan with his mother and grandmother after
his father was murdered by the Taliban. The family lived
(20:45):
in London, and rish Meat was described as a good
person who wouldn't hurt a fly. He wanted to help people,
and in twenty twenty one was attending college taking a
public service course to help him become a police officer.
Rish Meat, as the only son of his mother, was
also her terror. I don't know what her condition was,
(21:05):
but she had a condition that she needed to care for.
On November twenty fourth, twenty twenty one, he was at
a park with his friends and had been just leaving
to head home when he saw two males running at
him with a three foot long machete and a rambo knife.
Bad no boo. Rish Meat turned to his friends, telling
(21:28):
them all to run so that they could get away.
As he tried to flee, rish Meat tripped and fell
to the ground, which is God, it's always your worst nightmare,
like in nightmares or whatever. You're running or in horror
movies and they always fall and you're like, could you
just not not fall? Not falling? So when he was
on the ground, he was repeatedly stabbed in a horrific attack,
(21:52):
which was all caught on CCTV. I did not look
this up because I didn't want to see it. The
attackers were both seventeen Venusian Bala christianan'll Do and Ilias Suliman,
who were from Hillingdon, West London. That evening they had
(22:13):
set out on bicycles, armed with their weapons and wearing
COVID masks with their hoods up to go into enemy
gang territory to target rivals.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Plants. What I'm Levett and you send those names?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
What we're levitating plants? The plants? Why you need to
take less cold.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Medication magic like sing?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
It does sound like something out of Arabian Nights.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, you know, I've had that.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Rock said that, having wrongly identified brish Meat as a
gang member, they sat upon him, stabbing and slashing him.
He had stab wounds to his head and chest, internally
injuring his brain, liver, and lungs. He also had devastating
(23:14):
arm injuries from trying to defend himself, So I would
imagine maybe an artery was severed there.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, I mean lost fingers. M Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Awful. Despite police and paramedics arriving quickly on the scene,
Rishmeat died where he was attacked, which sounds like a
major blood loss situation. Although if he had a traumatic
brain injury as well, that could have that could have
done it.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, I mean it would have been terrifying. It would
have been pain for Oh yeah, I don't think it
would have been quick.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
No, it would be terrifying for sure. Venusian took his
bloodstained knife home into his bedroom, where he photographed it
and posted on social media. Because seventeen year olds are
dumb as fuck. You can you can't commit murder as
a seventeen year old and get away with what you
just can't. He then wrote song lyrics in his notebook,
recounting proudly the attack in detail. Again, don't keep a diary.
(24:12):
The same notebook held notes from his Dangers of Knife
Crime course that he had been ordered to take after
being stopped by police in January of twenty twenty one
with a knife. So he the same notebook that he's
writing about this murder in he had used for a
course that the police had made him take on the
dangers of knives.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
In the police for them.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, like he just he yeah, the course maybe isn't working.
His referral order gave him a social worker who was
teaching him this course, so he had a social worker
try to teach him about the dangers of knife crime.
Between Venusian and Ilias, they stabbed rish meat fifteen times
(24:52):
in March of twenty twenty three at the Old Bailey
in London. Both were found guilty and in May of
that year, the new should received a minimum of twenty
four years in prison and Ilias received a minimum of
twenty one years. While on remand, Venusian had also attacked
a fellow inmate at a young offenders institute, leaving them
(25:13):
with severe brain damage. So he sounds like a fucking gem.
Did I tell you that I looked up my family
at the Old Bailey for I just want to look
at like the last name of my family just to
see if, like any of them had been in the
Old Bailey because you can look up the records online
on Old Bailey dot com or something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I think maybe on a jury or no.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
No, no, Like I was looking to see if any
of them had been convicted in jail. Yeah, And it
was like, not my immediate family, but way back in
the day, and there was, like I think in the
eighteenth century or nineteenth century, there was a twelve year
old with my family's last name who was and my
family doesn't have a super common last name, and he
(25:57):
was put to death or was he sent away one
or the other. I can't remember. He was either sent
to the colonies or put to death for highway robbery.
But he was twelve. I'm like, you can't put twelve
year old in jail or kill them. That's the end.
I got this from a Metro article by Sam corbisly
corbishly corbishly or con bishly my writing has not been
(26:22):
clear there from May tenth, twenty twenty three. And it
was super sad because this was the only child of
this poor woman with special needs whose husband had already
been murdered by the tallyman all because these idiotic gang
members thought that they were targeting someone from a rival gang.
It was just this college kid who wanted to be
(26:42):
a cop.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, I mean nave came heels play bad. It is
in London, the law of it obviously Glasgow.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, Glasgow's quite bad for a knife crime. Anyway, that's
my tale, and we're back. We must conclude. How would
you rather die? Knife or knife? Knife or machete?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Definitely not machete. I think I don't know how you
pick one blow you're going to die anyway. Yeah, I
would rather to just take the one blow. I don't
want to view any anymore pain.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, it was like a tiny little knife as well. Yeah,
it just went right into his heart.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, not that it makes it any better.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
It doesn't. It doesn't. But I mean I think just
taking it once and known that you are okay, I'm
going to lose this fight here. Instead, they've been dropped
up to bits, you know, wondering if you're going to
live or die, you know, might not even known even known, yeah, yeah,
even though if you're going to live, a dying with
(27:48):
a brain injury, with his so many cuts and stuff,
not Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
He had defensive wounds on his arms. So yeah, I
think I'm going to pick the same one as you.
I'm going to pick yours because I don't just the
idea of a machete just puts me off so much.
I don't like any knife crime. Well, I don't like
any crime, but the machete idea, like, it just gives
me the hebes?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And what was it? Was it all about Rambo knife?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
You said, the Rabo knife, which is like solid, solid
and it's got like a serrated edge and on the
sharp edge.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Right, Yeah, that's not nice.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Do you realize that when we say Rambo knife, we
know what that means. But those teenagers have probably never
seen Rambo. Probably that's depressing. I feel like Rambo is
a very specific point in time where we accepted bad acting. Yeah,
it was really bad acting in Rambo. No, that's Rocky.
(28:49):
Rocky had slightly better acting in it. I don't know
what happened with Rambo. It just all went downhill. All right, Well,
we are going to stop recording now because we're both sick.
We need to die.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Thank you for alive. Next week you get a podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Oh yeah, I'll keep you posted. It's it's fun. Isn't it.
You never know if you're going to get an episode.
But yeah, hopefully we can record next oh god, yeah,
and then we have to write some more so yeah, yeah,
we're gonna have to write on top of everything else.
I also have a UNI assignment due the weekend of Thanksgiving.
I want to die, God, please just take me.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Okay, that's just end of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Goodbye, goodbye, Yes, thank you for listening. Please check out
the merchandise actually on the website because I've updated it
with some new items. There are some backpacks and shit
that came out, so go have a look at that.
Still no pens, Mel will be outraged. Stop in and
go to our chatty place and have a little chat chat.
I have had to moderate comments on the Facebook page
(29:55):
because we were getting so much spam from idiots on there,
not hate mail, just like people ask us to buy stuff,
So don't be offended if your comment gets moderated, I
will approve it if as long as youre trying to
sell ship and yeah, we will see you next week.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Bye bye.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
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