Triple H: Master Manipulator or AJ Lee: Agent of Fandom Healing (ep. 958)

In the face of historically low wrestling ratings and a strategic gamble with Raw's start time, WWE Chief Content Officer Triple H is being cast as a master manipulator, deftly using the "juvenile delusional fandom" as putty in his hands. 
Rather than a genuine philosophical shift toward transparency, his public defense of the WWE: Unreal docuseries is portrayed as a calculated mind trick. 
He cleverly called out the hypocrisy of podcasters and online critics who consume backstage gossip, while simultaneously giving them exactly what they crave: the illusion of having the curtain pulled back. By providing a sanctioned glimpse into the business, he both validates their obsessive interest and maintains control over the narrative, making them feel special and "in the know" without actually relinquishing any real power.
This sophisticated form of fan manipulation is further evidenced by the highly marketable WRESTLEPALOOZA 2025 card. The event is a perfect example of molding fan desires into reality, featuring a dream match that pits Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch against CM Punk and the returning AJ Lee.
The return of AJ Lee is framed as a key part of this grand deception, with her prancing around as their agent of healing. Her powerful and emotional quote about her mental health journey and turning "mental chaos into my superpower" is seen not as a genuine moment of vulnerability, but as a carefully curated narrative deployed to garner positive press and connect with a specific, emotionally invested segment of the fanbase. 
Her comeback provides the perfect feel-good story to distract from broader business challenges, proving that Triple H's genius lies not in his creative vision, but in his ability to give the fans the specific kind of "authenticity" they believe they want.

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Speaker 3 (00:44):
This is episode nine hundred and fifty eight of The
Wrestlers Are a Podcast. King of Podcasts here with you,
welcome you to the program. And as a record tonight,
of course, this Wednesday night. You know, I normally record
usually sometime after o'clock on Wednesday nights to put it
out on Thursday morning, early Thursday morning. And so today

(01:07):
point of mind right now has been the story has
been out in the news that has reached all through
social media and the internet all across the country, the
political assassination of Charlie Kirk. Look, I try my very
best to never bring politics into any of my programming
I am completely apolitical and politically I'm independent. But for

(01:31):
anybody that's out here, there is you know the side
of people that on social media to just have a
particular feeling of being a keyboard warrior, of not really
worrying about being responsible or accountable or worrying about consequences
of what you say and what you think and how
you react, especially online. And one of the things was

(01:56):
that regardless of what people think about what that young
man thirty one years old who was gunned down today
in cold blood in front of three thousand of his followers, fans,
supporters of his cause, for someone to go in and
go into that venue, open air, take that man's life,

(02:20):
leaving behind a beautiful wife and two beautiful daughters and
a future ahead of him. Who knows what he could
have been. You could have had political aspirations in terms
of being a leader, could have tried to run for
president someday. And a lot of people looked up to him,
and a lot of people said good about him. Man

(02:42):
of faith, good god fearing Christian man. Yeahd his beliefs,
but he was willing to debate, He was willing to
talk to anybody. Those are the kind of qualities I
can appreciate in somebody. So why did he deserve to die?
Why did he deserve to go ahead and be taken
away like that? And why is it there are people

(03:04):
so callous, heinous and cruel on social media the internet
they're willing to celebrate and find glee in this man's
passing because his political opinion was different than yours. I
want to tie this into wrestling because I feel like
with wrestling, it's like you have a political opinion, and

(03:29):
you know, wrestling fans also have their way of deciding
to go ahead and chastise somebody else's other political opinion
or their other opinion on wrestling. Okay, that if you're
not right or died w then there's something wrong or
you just got to be bullied to the point that
the company also likes to go ahead and subscribe to

(03:50):
that same kind of behaviors, that same kind of mentality.
I'm just saying, for those that can actually control this
and be good to each other, I really hope that
people just stick this point to say, you know, what,
what you put out here on social media, what you
put on the internet, when you put it on podcasting, streaming,
whatever you know, let's have a little bit of a

(04:19):
little bit of candor, let's have a little bit of mercy,
a little bit of respect for those that can live
their life the way they want. I'm not here to
go ahead and change somebody else's mind and make any
changes here. I'm here to go and offer an opinion
on wrestling on this particular program and in my other programs.
I don't talk politics. I have a few people talk

(04:41):
about politics with I want I want to talk about it.
And I said, but today, just deserve something because I
know a lot of people are gonna feeling this way
about this, about what They're gonna have their take on it.
And I'm just saying that whatever kind of rhetoric or
narratives that people put out there, it can be dangerous

(05:02):
and it can hurt people's lives, and people's lives can
be taken as a result of it. So I just
hope everybody out there just realizes, man, you know, be
better to each other. There are some people that just
don't deserve to be unlive that. It's just there's no reason.

(05:23):
There's absolutely there there are no honestly, anybody that's innocent
or just speaking their mind Okay, well, they haven't done
anything wrong with anybody else. Undeserved, unacceptable, uncalled for. That's
all I have to say about that. I couldn't get

(05:45):
started on this podcast without saying something about it. It
just has been on my mind all day. I've been
watching the news coverage about it. I'm online enough to
know who he is and what he's done and what
he's all about. And listen, I can't understand a lot
of people that agree, and that's fine, but man, it's
another thing just to go ahead and stomp on somebody's

(06:06):
grave and in the fashion that's happened to that's just evil,
pure evil. But anyways, so today's tonight's program, I'm going
to talk about the fact of there are two different
areas of manipulation going on in the w Okay, you
have Triple H and his team and what they're doing

(06:28):
right now setting up for Russell Baluzza coming up in
a week and a half to compete against aw all
out and some of the chess moves that were made.
We talked about that last week, and there's been a
lot going on in the world of w that has
been quite disturbing, quite concerning, because there are major changes

(06:52):
going on behind the scenes. Meanwhile, ag Lee's return has
been the focus of the entire product. I mean, it
just has been. No one else has been really excited
about anything else but the return of aj Lee. For
this match at Russell Paloza, it's overshadowing John seen at

(07:13):
brock Lester. It's overshadowing everything else. And the storyline there's
not much to it, but we're hearing a lot of
things that you know, of what how the storyline is
being used, and what's being done in the storyline that
just feels off. But what are you gonna do? I mean,

(07:35):
this company's making a lot of changes, and you're starting
to see that of all the bravado that this company
has to bully around a company like aw they have
their own weaknesses, they have their own flaws, and there's
a bunch of them pointing out right now today as
we speak. Now. I covered the aj Lee return on
SmackDown Saturday nights, we mean Friday night into Saturday because

(07:59):
they don't go to the movie and I had nothing
else to do, and I was like, ah, I will
do a comment about it. So I took some time
and I did some commentary or wrestling is real extra.
You can find that right now on the website King
of Podcasts dot com. You can get all my take
on that. Now we're gonna move ahead on that and
talk about her appearance on Raw and the setup for
the match to be held at wrestlll Bealuza. Now four
matches have been confirmed aw all out. They're moving on

(08:23):
with their own thing of what they're gonna be doing
going forward. And you know, it's a different taste for
certain people that you know, if you're again in the juvenile,
delusional fandom of then well, okay, fine, that's where you're
gonna be, and that's how you're gonna feel about it.
But it's like you are following this company and supporting

(08:52):
everything they're doing in a way that tells me, Okay,
you're fans of the product. You're fans just like the
fans of the arena every week that are solding out
the shows. But we're not seeing them selling out every time,
because that's not gonna start changing a little bit. Ressell
itself has not sold out yet ten days away. As
I record, they still got a couple thousand seats left
to sell. And this is as of last czechou Wrestletics

(09:16):
today they still have some a little hundred two thousand
tickets left to sell in Indianapolis. And the fact is
that we already had the announcement of ag Lee Sampunk
versus Seth Brawn's Becky Lynch that's already been announced, Sena
and Lesner has already been announced, and that has not
been sold out yet. And then there's some of the

(09:38):
things that you got to ask about, like what are
they doing with their their talent and especially in the
main event talent to close out NXT last night because
they're setting up for their homecoming show going back to
Full Silly University, having a segment of a Fatal Influence
is going to have to deal with returning to NXT
for the time being, stevity of care tivity, Stratton and

(10:01):
riar Ripley to take on Fatal Influence for the CW show,
the show that's getting six hundred fifty thousand viewers on
average on the CW regularly, so they have to try
to keep a certain level a quota of audience there.

(10:22):
As for SmackDown, which when you had Johnson appearing on
the show last week, one point one million viewers this
week one point five to eight five million viewers on SmackDown. Okay,
so they got a boost sold out Rosebot Chicagoinois for
the show of thirty eight percent from last week of

(10:46):
eighteen percent. For the four week average one point three
four eight million viewers. Meanwhile, the show is roughly twenty
nine percent lower than this time last year year when
it was on Fox, So I got a bumpet ratings

(11:06):
for that for the pop. Meanwhile, we're looking at what's
being done with Money Night Raw. It's not even going
to try to go up against Monny Night Football. The
plan is now as of next week, we're also moving

(11:28):
to seven pm Eastern. They want to try to stay
clear as much as they can of Monday Night Football.
So if you're trying to get them a little bit
at our early so you don't have to go deal
with that audience that will probably drop in for Mindy
Night Football roughly around eight twenty five, eight twenty six,
twenty eight pm Eastern and then catch that. At least
you're gonna catch It's part of the audience is going

(11:48):
to be there, and you know they're not gonna necessarily
switch over from Netflix to watch football. They'll think, well,
any viewers will probably stick around, try to watch Raw
seven pm and then stay and watch the show and
then not mine to miss the first quarter of Money
Night Football. Sometimes I thought like that. So there's that

(12:10):
one thing that's coming up right now, and the company
has quite a bit of criticism among other things. But
let me tell you like this as well, there are
people that were really really super excited about ag Le returning.

(12:31):
The Twitch streamers were all crazy for it. I'm gonna
pay a little bit back of what we were hearing
so far of people going crazy over ag Lee returning.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Yes, yes, loud, oh, shut up, shut up, buck up.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, those are the sounds of the fandom that the
w believes is their audience. That's their ride or die,
that's the audience they're going to be playing for to
get the pops to get the go and buy tickets
for everything and everything going on, and you know what, Okay,

(14:01):
they got them. But man, there are certain things that
are doing right now. The talent might be the audience
in the arenas might be happy somewhat. And then also
the same thing goes for what's going on with the
people that might be watching that are podcasters, streamers and
all that are also giddy and excited along with their

(14:24):
audience fanboy and fangirling out to the stars on a
regular basis. I bet I can find some other streamers
out there live when they watched Rear, Ripple, Tivity, Stratton,
and steific Care make their way onto NXT and again,
this is what they like to go and do. Here's
another one of these moments they decided to do this week.

(14:46):
This is what do you live off of. This is
what you watch W four now more than anything. Here
we go another clip, same thing. It's all this stuff.

(15:09):
This is what WWE is all about. This is everything
they basically stand for. Now. Now, there are a lot
of comments out there about what people thought about ag
Lee's return. We'll tell you play a little bit of
that as well. First of all, let's go ahead and

(15:29):
play up what ag Lee actually said on her way
out there. So let's go and talk about that real quick.
Here's what she said, because here's some things to go
ahead and point out from what she's talked about.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
I retired, I said, I was sorry, Oh my god.
I felt like I had accomplished all of my dreams
in wrestling, and I was content and I hung up
with Chuck Taylors, and I thought that was the end

(16:01):
of my story. There was no way I was going
to step back in a ring again wearing jean shorts.
There are two sizes too small. I was so sure,
And so I went on a journey to accomplish all

(16:24):
these other crazy dreams I had in life.

Speaker 7 (16:26):
And I did it.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
But most importantly, I went on a mental health journey.
I wasn't healthy. I needed to take care of myself
get right.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
I went.

Speaker 6 (16:59):
I went to therapy.

Speaker 8 (17:01):
I got treatment, therapy, cheer for therapy.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
She goes on to say that I found a way
to turn all this mental cast into a superpower. The
fight is not easy. It's every day is a fight.
But let me tell you, if you're going through the
same thing, the fight is worth it. You're worth it.
And I'm wondering how many people really knew about her
story coming out of leaving and coming back. I didn't

(17:37):
know that story because you know what I wasn't It
wasn't a story I saw I came across through the
news headlines throughout, but it was ever anything I brought
up on this program. Because you know, it's like, okay,
good for her is she got her found her way back.
But yes, back at twenty twenty one, she opened up
about what happened to her Maurice Bernard's State of Mind
YouTube channel, and that said that she attempted to suicide

(17:59):
back at twenty four, she was still with the company
and the experience led her to become the mental health
advocate that she is today. She said that it was
she was promoting a book that she had put out
about her story at that point, and she says, I
was on TV and I'm a champion, like and I
you know, dream career, got married like perfect wonderful year.

(18:20):
But a lot of times it was by polar disorder
because she was born with it and also her mother
also I think because of form as well. Big life
changes kind of threw you off, and you with the high,
you're gonna hit a little low talk about it. That
she was really sick. I was scared and I was
gonna have to have multiple surgeries and so all this
stuff is happening. That I got hurt in the ring,
that my husband got sued, and it was just all
of a sudden that I know, you know, there was

(18:41):
stuff in my family and so in the same year
careers like great and everything's going great and I have
my husband, but my polar disolder disorder didn't handle it,
couldn't handle it. It was was too much to meet for me.
I wasn't taking care of myself the way I should
have been. I wasn't in there because it's Lee. I
was playing fast and LOUPI for medication because I was
really vain, and because I gain weight when I'm on
my medication, and so I was like, you know, she goes,

(19:04):
I want to talk more. And I never knew the
whole story about what happened to her, but she did
call suicide prevention, got to help. She needed someone that
was very patient and kind to had talked to her
to help her not do anything drastic to take her
own life. And now again being the advocate that she is,

(19:25):
that's great stuff. Marie Bernard played Sony Crinthos in General Hospital. Yeah,
he probably saw her and probably thought it was Brenda
from that show. If you're an old fan of General Hospital,
you don't I'm talking about. This is just my age
speaking for me. Either. Which way to use the story

(19:48):
about her mental health advocacy as a way of putting
this in the storyline felt I don't know if it
was the right setting for it. I mean, the crowd
was all into what they ate it up, but you know,
from wrestling's point of view, I don't know if it
was really much that was going to be that that
took a lot that it's anyway, but either which way fine,

(20:11):
and the company was more than happy to be supportive
of her during this, says in this house, we cheer
for therapy had put that out there when they put
out a story on it. So I don't know, but
there have been a lot of things that were kind
of overshadowing what happened here with ag Lee and her setup.

(20:31):
So she's the agent for mental healing and listen, there's
probably some fans right now in the juvenile delusional fandom
that probably could hear her words, heed her advice, and
seek therapy. Listen. I'll tell you I have gone to
therapy twice, and I'm saying multiple times out of go

(20:54):
see therapists. I had two different ones, one that was
with for six months, another one I went for a
couple appointments, and trust me, it does work. It helps
the pray. The Debaucher series, I focus on that pretty extensively.
I've talked about that before, So if you want to
go and find out my story on that, go listen
to that series of course on Kingopodcasts dot com anyway.

(21:17):
But there's other things being said about certain stars and
why are we the direction of the show and the
main event storyline. Meanwhile, Seeing Punk Seth Wrongs now it
is taking a back seat because of Becky Lynch and
aj Lee. It's where we're at right now. But the
Seeing Punk Seth Wrongs storyline, we're not really going to that.

(21:39):
We're going to use a J Lee's as a buffer
into this with Becky Lynch being enjoined with a vision
and that's the plan of this, and who knows how
far to go with this, but that's their plan storyline. Meanwhile, Bloodline,
the MFT nowhere to be found, Jacob I too, no
where to be found. Ellie Knight who was in Clash

(21:59):
in Paris in the fil four way, and Kevin Nash
makes some comments about what happened with Ellie Knight, just
his thoughts. Normally don't go ahead and fall on with
what Kevin Ash says, but I saw this pop up
on my X feet so I'll play it real quick
from his click this podcast. He made some by Elle
Knight and maybe he should have done something to bring

(22:19):
the monotony at Clash in Paris.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Would it have hurt the fucking the absolute programming?

Speaker 3 (22:28):
If l A.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
Knight would have fucking went over.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Would it have hurt the programming? I mean the booking.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
I mean like he worked his ass off, he fucking
I mean he he had some great shine like he
does it you can always. I remember when Lex was
fucking red hot and we fucking went in and we
just told Eric, we said, like we were at Auburn
Hills and nobody was supposed to beat Hogan until still sting,

(22:57):
and it was just like Lex was read fucking hot.
It was it was time, like we couldn't fucking wait,
So we fucking talked them in to fucking turn it
turn in, uh, putting the belts on Lex for a
short little run to fucking just to break the monotony.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
And predictable, and you wouldn't have had a fuck finish
that you have. Every fucking week I've been watching on
my TikTok feed, there were somebody who was putting out
there all the WCW World Heavyweight title finishes. And I
do remember where there was a point in the middle
of the nWo that Lex Luger beat Hulk Hogan and

(23:39):
it was before the point that Sting would win the
world title. Believe the starcade or one of those times
where Hulk Hogan or Sting flipped the belts on each other.
But yeah, just to break things up, it didn't really
make a difference to have somebody just hold onto the
belt for a certain amount of time because of the moment.
It's not like the company has really been very cherishing
of time. After Rooman reigns, Cody got a year with

(24:02):
the belt and so far you had seen it with
the belt for so many months and then flips back
over to Cody and Cody's not even around. We're hearing
he's going to be back at Russell Balooza, according to
Trible Ah. He said on the Pat McAfee show. Then
there's talking about a g Styles because he did apparently

(24:23):
a pipe Mama's back down, which has been overshadowed by
a J Lee. But here's what he said.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
Dobinic Misterio got his little buddy, that coffee being Americano,
to get involved in by magic cost me. They in
a continental championship, and to be honest, would you it
could have been by Hall.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
See for the first time in.

Speaker 7 (24:58):
My career, I've got no one watching my back. Gallows Anderson,
they're not here. Yeah Meechin, she's on SmackDown. It's like
someone orchestrated away from me, not to win anymore, not

(25:22):
to have help.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
I'll make you.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
I'll let you make your own conclusions. By the way,
we are here right now and all over the world,
but arrest. Everybody is in a commercial break. I'm telling
you something that you're probably not supposed to hear. But
somebody doesn't want me here.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
And of course you just been talking about ag styles
Condra going up and I don't need to think I've
seen anything where it says that he is resigned. I
don't know if that's actually come up yet or not,
but I mean, for whatever reason, the fact that he's
still not being used, you know, especially in certain points,
that maybe there's certain talent that could be used for

(26:15):
development of purposes to help get some other people over,
but these not I mean Dominum Mysterio. I don't know
if he necessarily needs the what ag styles I think
what they did together was really good, but they could
keep that going in for whatever reason they're not, I
don't know. Ag Styles son also spoke out on Instagram

(26:38):
making the point about this stops, putting it on an
image of an hourglass with his logo slipping through it.
His son AJ, responding to the comments suggesting that Triple
CH was disrespecting Styles with his booking and upset him,
He says, you ain't the only one man on the
comma has since been deleted, so we don't know what's

(27:00):
going on there. And again that was a common and
a promo that was being done when Netflix was in commercial,
so only premium subscribers if they got a chance to
watch it, probably got to see that happen in live
only PEP in the arena as well. And also the
same to be said about certain stars they have had
in WREE and what they didn't do. And this is

(27:24):
not just while they were in the company and Vince
McMahon was still there. Same thing can go with the
fact of when Triple H was somewhat in control over
there and what they could have done, because Triple H
could have had some say while on NXT moving up
to that main roster and being influential on that main roster.
Tony start talking to MGF so we do MVP excuse me,

(27:48):
and I figure who else's on the Marking Out podcast?
Talk about her work in de Wree and what she
didn't get to do.

Speaker 9 (27:57):
W here's the thing where this is what I get
stuck on it in the WWW. I don't think. I
don't think I was told what to do enough. I
wasn't told to do anything. Actually, I wasn't told like
I mean, obviously you're told what to do in a
certain you know, in a certain circumstance, but overall, like

(28:24):
I don't feel like I was told what to do enough.
So you were, I was, yeah, I mean like there's
I mean, there's direction in things like you know, this
is how you do it, this is what you do,
this is what you do on televisions as cameras. But
then like as in regards to a character, now, I
was never like I mean promos, but like I was

(28:48):
just kind of just did it. I wasn't really told
like do this today. You're you're a cat and this
is your pre when your name is Bloody Tory, oh
Bloody Smith. No one told me anything, and I kept
my name the whole time, and it was like I
had complete creative freedom to be honest. I saw what

(29:08):
others didn't, and others would give him things I wish
they would. I would have done anything, to be honest.
That's the weird thing about this. If they had just
given me some mad offful wall thing, I would have
just won hundred percent gone with it.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Four years ago she left the company sore striggling around
the same time, also leaving the company. And look at
what happened with AW. They are shiny examples. They are
at the top of their game, both of them. Right now.
You can agree to disagree with that. That's okay. And
for some people, they think that AJ's gonna be getting

(29:45):
out of w and they're gonna put them over in
TNA for a while and do some things because obviously
he did go visit in TNA during Summiversary, okay, And
maybe there's something to be set up for Bound for Glory,
some kind of special surprise appearance. Who knows what they're
gonna do. So anyway, the rest of Blues a card
we got coming up seth Rawl and Specy Lynch versus

(30:07):
seeing Punk aj Eli Eo Sky verses stuffing of a
care for the woman's world title, but yet something of
a care was on NXT setting up for NXT homecoming.
But yet we're expecting her to go and beyond for
the world title match at Russell Pluza Ooh sols a
Brown Breaker in Broston Reid and Johnson Universus Brockluster. That's
the fore matches set for the card. Viewership members for

(30:30):
w RAW on Monday night two point four million viewers,
down from two point six million viewers. More commentary from
others feeling about how they did with w and where
they decided to go anyway. For certain stars that said, hey,
you know what about Josh Alexander, before he decided to
go and join the AW, he spoke with Justin Brosse.

(30:52):
He says, you know what, if you believe what you
read online, I just went with the highest bidder. The
truth is that the money, schedule and things like that
didn't play in on my decision as much as looking
at the pool talent I wanted to work with. There's
a specific reason I signed where I did. I chose
AW because I want to be here, As Josh Alexander
quoted now let's move along into Triple H. On the

(31:14):
Pat McAfee show that was on Tuesday, he was on
with him live accompanying Tyrus Haliburton to promote Russell Paluza
coming up next week. And here's some commons in Triple
H when it comes to Russell Paluza coming together and
potentially becaming part of the regular yearly calendar. Did you

(31:36):
guys think about Russell Fest?

Speaker 1 (31:39):
How there was a lot of thought, but it was
in a brief period of time, so we sort of
were under the gun of you know, you mentioned, you know,
coming here for any As soon as we heard that
Indy was on the table, like they got the date open,
we were in this place is phenomenal, so that that
was a no brainer for us.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
I mean, you didn't have anything scheduled. You had Clash
in Paris already set up, and nothing was actually scheduled
in September. But yet for what a reason that all
in weekend, they all out weekend in Toronto, we could
do something there. I mean, there wasn't any real reason
to go and do that. You already had two shows
in August, so to take a little bit of time

(32:18):
away from September to build things up for I don't
know Bad Blood or for Surviar series. No, we're gonna
put Resciples in No for any particular reason, but we
know why they did it more for trible H.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
But we moved quick on this whole thing. That the
whole thing came together very very quickly. ESPN asked for
the date they wanted to make an event. We said, yes,
we just had to pick a name and go.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
So you know, you could say that triple H but ESPN, yeah,
you could go and make the argument. Oh, this was
being scheduled just in time for the ESPN directed Summer
app was released and launched, which is now up and going. Okay,

(33:06):
but that doesn't explain how you were able to go
to your get your deal with Peacock out of the way,
and how things were maneuvered so that Peacock would no
longer be carrying pay per views and automatically for the
next three months. ESPN just gets to go in right
and right away. Now I don't have an explanation for that.
It's as if we're supposed to just put shove that

(33:26):
under the rug. No, that's too important, don't ask about that.
Don't ask about that. That's not important, more trible a
tol Pat McAfee.

Speaker 10 (33:34):
So Palosa shout out to ECW, I believe has.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out to ECW. You know, Lalla
Palooza was a big thing, but now we're.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Gonna take that.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
That title R is about to be a thing. Yeah,
I think it will be, probably depending on how this
one goes. We'll see.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Oh I like a Russell Paulosa shirt, okay, and the
thing is, yeah, it's an ECW. Trey mcderd already owned
because they had they attained that and they decided not
to make an NXT show specause of the fact that
NXT's stuff is not effective enough against AW. So now

(34:12):
we're gonna put the main roster up there. For at
the start of the year was a completely unplanned date
for a show. But here we are quickly put together.
I mean for them what they only do like five
matches per pay per view now on these b shows.
So like, there you go, but on purpose putting it here.

(34:33):
And as I said earlier, they have not sold this
show out yet under two thousand viewers. Now more content
about the deal with ESPN. Triple H is commenting about that.

Speaker 10 (34:47):
The King of King's Triple h going on, guys, great
to see you. Congratulations on the WWE and ESPN deal. Honestly,
that WWE network was ahead of its time. Started with subscribers,
then we sell the WWE network, I believe the peacock first,
and then the evolution of your guys's digital service and

(35:07):
subscription service and pay per view model has been trailblazing
I think for the entire entertainment world. And now teaming
up with ESPN, it feels like it makes sense. Whenever
this was presented to you as an option or an idea,
what were your immediate thoughts.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
The first time it was said to me, like, hey,
ESPN is in the mix here, and I was like,
oh my god, that could be a game changer for us.
Just a fact, like who does promotion of big events
better than ESPN?

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Right?

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Like college game, be all everything that surrounds big events
for them.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Quit chilling, Hunter, Quit schilling. We can talk about boxing
that does a really good job. I mean, look at
look at Jake Paul and the boxing Mattriges he has
out there, you know, commanding what eighty to ninety dollars
per ticket, and before Canelo Alvarez put his boxing match
coming up with Terrence Crawford over on Netflix. Could command

(35:58):
so without his own something like that. I mean, there
are a lot of there are places that can go
to can continue amplify the concept. I mean, the versus
Peacock versus ESPN. I see that point, but you know,
I mean to kind of put that out there and
say that I'm a little bit uh mythed by that part.

(36:20):
And Hunter is saying all this, It's almost as if
he is completely out of the whole conversation of this.
He's not involved in these conversations. He's not aware of
these negotiations. He's probably told something about it afterwards, but
he's not going to know about this. By the way,
he missed many night raw to be on the Kiltny podcast.
I don't know if Vinceman, we couldn't do something like

(36:40):
that for something like that, just saying so he's chilling
for ESPN has to speak, you know, well of it.
And Pat McAfee obviously is an ally and obviously he's
getting paid very handsomely bout ESPN, so he has no
problem putting over w because also been working there as well.
So yeah, there's that, And then there's a comment that

(37:02):
really got people miffed because of the comments about the
we unreal docu saries.

Speaker 10 (37:09):
On Netflix getting hit on the shins is what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
It sounds like yeah, yeah to a degree.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
But my point being that sometimes, you know, it's funny that,
like the Internet is all complaining that we're lifting the
curtain and showing you stuff. Meanwhile they're doing a podcast
that all it does is talk about the behind the
scenes shit that's going on. Like I don't understand that logic, right,
Like the world knows an eight year old kid picks
up his iPhone google stuff and it tells them all

(37:34):
the behind the scenes stuff right.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Right, So it's telling you that, you know, they're not
paying attention to the podcasters, the streamers and out there
you know that are amplifying w to a certain audience.
They'll care about the audience is actually catching on to
all this that are completely outside of the know. But
in a way, I mean, that's not too batter an
idea to go and go through younger audience. It's not

(37:58):
really in the know and kind of just you can
string along like puppets all the other people that have
been longtime fans of the product, and then if you
go for the lowest common denominator and the youngest common denominator,
then maybe you'll get audience that will continue to be
growing and be a part of this, but also to
a much more inferior product than we're used to being

(38:19):
part of. Because when you ask yourself, you know, if
you watch anything with the attitude era, look at the storylines,
look at the characters. Oh, we had the history of
the company looks nothing like that. Now it's a shelfst
former self. And of course Vince is not there and
tri Bleach is not gonna do what Vince did, nothing
like that at all. It doesn't care. So that particular

(38:42):
comment really used fruffles with feathers as well to a
lot of people. Then there's comments that are made this
week by Brian Danielson who has been with AW for
a while now, a couple of years, right, and he
spoke with John Bernardick.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
John Bernard Carews is a comedian that also has his
own setup and the BK Show, The JBK Show. Excuse me,
there we go. So he talks with this show and
he gives his take on counterprotagramming measures by W against

(39:24):
AW quote, I think of it, and I wonder, right like,
I'm just curious with the people who are making these
decisions what they're thinking in the sense of this, Oh okay,
this AW thing, it's real dangerous for a billion dollar business,
that can't be it. The one thing I think is
that AW existing of being this Challenger brand and being
as successful as we've been, has changed the landscape for

(39:44):
the rest for the restlers themselves, but we're still the
Challenger brand catching up on however many years W has had.
He's absolutely right, that's exactly the way to think about this.
How is it that W is so concerned and they're
billion dollar business by some billionaire that is playing booker

(40:05):
according to them, And why are they worried about the
height that's going on with the doing an illusional fandom
which is on both sides, by the way of W
ANDAW fans that will amplify their vocal minorities to pump
up with their brands. And he makes another good point.

(40:30):
It's interesting because we're not at the point of being
a threat. It's one of the things where people who
really create power and a lot of money play those
weird games that I don't understand. It's like, Okay, we're
gonna run all the competitors that might be competitive with
us out of this business. Why it's good for the
wrestlers both in AWW Right, it's been good for them. Like, Okay,
if AW wouldn't have started, would Coddy roseby where he

(40:51):
is right now? No, they have a BIGGA star because
AW exists, would see him puckever have come back? Probably not.
He's right on both counts. You don't get this. Ag
Lee returned without seeing Punk decided to go back to
the company because he wasn't going to go back to
the right away. But he did go to AW first.

(41:12):
Can't take that away. You can't dismiss that part of
his career coming back to AW, getting his mojo back
and wrestling, only for him to get a hero's welcome
coming back to the w in the first place. He
goes on to say that the people in the FED,
the people that I know, a lot of people I
know are great people. So I'll be interested to know
what the decision making process in this is. But you know,

(41:34):
it's not my monkey, it's not my circus. Whatever the
line is for that, you know what I mean? But
he makes a lot of good points right there, and
he goes on the same more. Oh, I forgot to
go and make a mention of MGF and Alicia two
getting married. Congratulations them. The wedding pictures are really cool,
so fortunately somebody actually decided to go ahead and leak
those out. That wasn't so cool, but neither which way.

(41:56):
He was asked about taking over a ring of honor
if that would interest in him, but he says that
he doesn't interested in that. That Tony has interested in that. Tony,
he says, he thinks does a really great job of
juggling all these plates. He does a really pretty great
job with it. I'm always wanted to doing whatever the
company needs, so yeah, I would love to do that.
Right now, he's doing commentary for Dynamite on a more
permanent basis. He says, ring and Water. I think it's

(42:18):
a really cool product, especially for a younger town to
be able to get them exposure. I don't know, if
you watch the latest paper views incredible. He goes on
about the talent and then he says, when you see
the talent, you got to work with. Everybody's perspective is
a little different everybody has. There a little bit of
difference where you see something and be like, oh, okay,
I would do something a little bit different here, But
I wouldn't say that my version of it would be
any better than Tony Conn's version. I'm not here angling

(42:40):
for a job to take over Ring of Honor. And
then also being asked about what AW does for the wrestlers,
he says the AW pays forty to fifty percent of
the revenue to the wrestlers and process forcing w to
also increase pay for the wrestlers. Quote ab existing of
being this challenger brand and means successful as we've been

(43:01):
hash cheasion landscape for wrestling for the wrestlers themselves, wrestler's
being paid more than ever from a sports rights perspective. So,
for example, in most major sports, US players get anywhere
between forty to fifty percent of the revenue was paying
the wrestlers. No, we're close to that. Now, keep in
mind they're still not paying anywhere close to that, but
they do have to pay more because they don't town's
going to leave and go to AW. AW does pay

(43:23):
that forty to fifty revenue for the wrestlers, you know,
despite making much less money. How can you look down
on aw when they are taking care of the wrestlers.
You might not like the way they're booked. Okay, you
might like the way those young books are booked, or
how Edging Christian are being booked, or Cajun Christian, you know,

(43:43):
cop and Christian. You might not like how FDR is
being booked. You might not like how has being booked
on all these other people death writers, I got it.
You could disagree with the booking, but they are booking,
and they're doing storylines and doing characters, and I like that.
I'm like a lot somehow about that. That's the kind
of resting I want to watch because that's how restling

(44:04):
has been for most of my Lifetime's just what it is. Meanwhile,
Bruce Richard talks with Cody Roads on something to talk about,
and he talks about, you know, character development, the creative process.
And here's what Bruce Pritchard says. So, of course has
been in the creative process going back to Vince's days

(44:27):
and now has a pretty integral role in the company
right now, probably still doing some executive producing kind of work.
What Triple ages out of the way when he goes
to kill Tony someone like him's in charge. So here's
what we got.

Speaker 11 (44:38):
Pitching stories and pitching creative.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
You have got to become the character that you are pitching.

Speaker 11 (44:43):
If we were pitching something for Paul bare I had
to do.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
That.

Speaker 11 (44:49):
I an undertaker's mama. You know, you have to become
the character, and you have to tell the story as
if and you have to believe. You have to become
and and that's how I tell stories. Just in general.
The beauty of being in creative and being on the
other side of it is.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
I have the opportunity. I get to be everybody I
can be.

Speaker 11 (45:11):
I can be Cody Rose.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
I love that outlook. I get to be Cody.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (45:15):
It's the same time I get to be John Cena. Yeah,
I gotta be Roman Reigns, I get to be Gunter.
So on this side of it, you have the opportunity
to be all of the characters.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
But the problem is that it's there are characters that
are being being watered down or being eliminated and taking
away all the characters that were built and all the
dimensions of the characters as well. Ria Ripley has gone
through a transformation right now. The leather, the chains, my
brutality that's been stripped away from her. It's like albart

(45:52):
of the real level, stripping away of the character that
she created. Why why? And you know, I don't know
if it's really made much for her at all, if
it made her much better in the process, But people
are starting to realize a little more altogether that something

(46:16):
is not all correct. Right now. Yeah, right now is
in a euphoria. Right now they are at a level
of like nothing could go wrong. They're impenetrable, They're successful
no matter what they do. Jimmy Van at five fo
dot Com says some may not agree with this take.

(46:39):
I've always believed that one of aw's problems is that
Tony Kanna has too much on his plate aside from booking,
and now I feel the same way about Triple H.
He's always doing appearances. Meanwhile, the quality of the w
shows has diminished. Triple H is not in charge and
starts he realizes. I think he enjoys being the person
that's just kind of like involved in here, and that's it.

(47:00):
I think he likes it. So let's go through some
of the other things that are going on under Tripley.
Just watch that and honestly for the fans that they
don't realize changes are coming and that the success of
this company is for the benefit of the corporate side
of TKL Group Holdings. But the fans are they going

(47:20):
to benefit from it? Not just from the main roster
product of we but what about the other ancillary projects
you're working as well that they own or that their
partner with. So Teenage Bound for Glory is coming up.
That's going to be in Lowell, Massachusetts, Boston University's arena

(47:43):
there October to twelfth, so it's coming up in a month.
We have four matches scheduled right now in a knockouts
World Championship will have ash by Elegance or Machia Stemmage
depending on who wins, and a come up World title
match versus Indie heart Well Harty's versus Team three D
for the TENA World Tag Team titles. Trick Williams is

(48:05):
still a teeny worldaweight champions going up against Mike Santana
and a ten person hardcore war with the System taking
on Order four. That's what we got so far, and
we'll see there's anything else that comes up. When it
comes to how TNA is allowed to be booked under

(48:28):
the authority of NXT slash w Okay. Now, keep in
mind that any of the NXT stars that have been
on TNA programming, they're not losing at all. But when
you look at the build up for Bound for Glory
coming up, so much of it has been involved in
NXT television. Remember Trick Williams won the World the World

(48:53):
Heavyweight title from Joe Henry and NXT Battleground, not on
a TNA pay per view, and Trick Williams is one
in subsequent matches after that, including Slimmiversary beating both Joe
Henry and Mike Santana in a three way match, and
then you had Santana appearing at NXT August nineteenth, which lost,

(49:16):
which caused Trick Williams to lose in a non title
match to Javon Evans, and then at Santana would take
on from the NSC Championship at NXT heat Waves. So
Santana and Williams have been at each other on their
respective shows. And they also have not had Williams defending

(49:36):
the belt every month, because there have been times where
he's been two months without defending the title. The fact
is they did have a thing where j C Jane
won the NXT She defended the nc Women's Championship and

(49:56):
also the Knockouts Championship and a Wares take All match
as Simmiversary. But jac Jane did not lose the NXT
Knockouts titles mean the A TENA Knockouts title at a
TNA show. She lost it at NXT heat Wave last month.

(50:17):
M just saying, where is the benefit for TNA out
of all this, because we're not seeing the NXT stars
winning on TNA television, or if they did, they are.
They're winning on TNA television but never losing. So the

(50:37):
TNA stars are never getting over on anybody on these shows.
Make that clear too. But that's what's happening as well.
But not for Bound for Glory. They're not worrying about
that because the Knighthouts world title are essentially as being
now handled by three TNA stars, So that's out of
the way there. But Trick Williams. Do you expect Trick

(50:58):
Williams to go and drop the bell at Bound for Glory?

Speaker 2 (51:01):
No?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
No, I dot it, I really dot it. So I
don't know what they're gonna do. But I mean Mike's
intended to keep looking at possibly being the world champion.
I remember people got upset that he did not win
at Slammiversary. They thought he was gonna be the guy. Well,
I guess not. I don't know if he's gonna be
set up to be that guy yet either. But then

(51:26):
are gonna happen to watch much as much of a
teenage programming anyway? Just has been It just hasn't been
there for me. I just you know, they some of
the set up for some of the matches they have
and what they've been doing.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
Eh.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
I'm a little bit miffed by the fact of seeing
so much nxtification of that product that it's not TNA
doing TNA. But hey, man, if all this means they
get their big broadcast deal, that they get to announce
that bound for glory, good on them. But they're will't
allow their programming be butchered by the NXT and W

(52:01):
because they can because deal with the devil Dad to
go and do something. How about your ble a. We're
hearing more about their creative structure. Conan is actually speaking
about that spoke with Denise al Sato. I busted open

(52:22):
the crew and it says for more than ten years
in Triple A. He did almost everything himself between twenty
ten and twenty twenty, barely missing TV taping, usually produced,
agented and wrote the finish for every match. He originally
skipped the show in Manterrey. If he had gone, he
would only been given one match to agent, and that

(52:44):
would have been with Undertaker and Jimmy Boreash. Now every
match is his own. Agent's taking a lot of work
off his plate. He says he feels good about this
because if people handling things are very skilled, he believes
W system is the best in the world. Interesting, but
you know, it's also interesting that Conan never really worked

(53:04):
that long for W in the first place. Just think
about that. He really wasn't there that long. But respects
the system nonetheless, much stronger on the aw and would
always keep them ahead. He says, they're toping mouch guys.
You know what they're doing. If they were dumbasses, it
would probably be mad. There's something worse than that. But

(53:24):
you know, but bro, they know what they're doing. That's
why they're the most popular and the most profitable for
a reason. And you've gone behind, You've seen that machine.
The magazine of the professionalism is nobody. You know, I've
been at aw and I'm not trying to bury them, bro,
But let me tell you this, Denise. If w wasn't around,
they'd still be number two. Anyways. I don't even know
why he's saying that, but okay, fine, also praising Jerman

(53:47):
boastress knowledge and Lucre libra and working time together and
Crash undertake your knowing a lot because he knows what
makes fans react, what can get a wrestler over it,
and how to create strong finishes. And he says that
you know, it comes about how much tripleligious change system
to be took over. Says that now Jemmy boresh and

(54:08):
undertake your help with booking so it's not one all
one person anymore, less pressure on him, and proof that
the w system is the most professional effective in wrestling today.
But the thing is is that you're gonna see and
he says there wasn't gonna be any changes, but you know,
there are already some things where there's some picking and

(54:31):
choosing what stars and what gimmicks they're gonna hold on
to and what others are going to change around. Because
right now Triple A is gonna be doing an another
show coming up right now, When World's Collide Worlds Clyde
Las Vegas. That's gonna be coming up September twelfth, So
that's coming up this weekend, and the features of the

(54:55):
stars are gonna have. There will be from Ross backed
down NXT brand divisions, so they're calling it a supercard
and obi last you're on YouTube current matches on the card.
You have elhil De Vikingo versus Masterial for the Triple
A MAKA Championship, but got all Psycle Conference's New Day
for the Triple A World Tag Team Championships. Watch out

(55:16):
for this, folks. You have W stars all vying for
all major championships in Triple A. So there's when World's
Collide Las Vegas. There's also when w takes over championships.
So I'm just telling you right now, we'll keep an
eye on this show. I'm gonna probably do a little
post show for this after anything else is going on.

(55:39):
It's coming up this Friday. But let's just keep this
in mind. Okay, Dominico Mysteria could very well be making
a champion by this going on. And you know what,
I'm gonna start booking right now. I'm gonna guess there's
gonna be some titles here that are gonna get changed, Okay,
So I expect Asteria to become Mega Champion at this

(56:02):
show in Vegas. I can see New Day becoming World
Tag Team Champions at Triple A Sami Apatri Versus Italia
is a singles match for the number one contendership for
the Triple A Reign of the Arena's Championship, currently being
held by Flamare, who's held it right now for seven
hundred and fifty six plus days so far. Judgment Days

(56:26):
Finn Band, Finn Balery and Rox and Perez versus Whole
Device and Mister Iguana. N MX Tag Team Match Triple
A Latin American Championship on theline, l Heel to Doctor
Wagner Junior taking on Dragon Lee, Ethan Page and Jenny
Gena McDonough. You got three NXT stars right there, they
could give that, and I'm gonna take Ethan Page winning

(56:47):
that title, and then it will be a Luca Showcase
a Man tag team match. La Parca Mascarita Sagara, Nino
Himbergessa Ottagon Junior versus Latinino World Olders, Cruis del Toro Joan,
Joaquin Waaldi's Andderrato and Mini Abiesmo Negative. Yeah, just saying
there could be a lot of NXT or W stars

(57:09):
that will get over on this Triple A show. And
you see who they also have in here that they
decide to go and put out, you know, Eliod, Vikingo,
Psycho Clam, Pagano, Fabi Apachi, Mister Iguana, Eliota, Doctor Wagner,
and then some of the other stars in the Lucra showcase.

(57:30):
And that's it. There's a lot of NXT. But again
this is supercard, so they didn't call it a Triple
A show. But still the fact that there could be
quite a few things that will change in the elecxicon
of Triple A after this show's done, and it can
very well happen. Keep an eye on that. We'll talk
about that. See if I do a pop post show
about this coming off the program. At the same time,

(57:52):
I think on Friday night, I'm watching Demon Slayer, the
new Demon Slayer anime at the theater, so we'll talk
about that. Mark Shapiro, the TKO President and COO, spoke
at the Goldman Saxs Community Communiccopia and Technology Conference speaking
about Russell Bluza. He says that hopefully Russell Bluza is
a winner and we could bring that back annually. That
could be a marketing bonanza for us when we do

(58:14):
that right. Triple A just spending night and day creatively
around making what that could be, which is another WrestleMania
or another Summer Slam. Those two stand out above the
rest Roller Remo is right beneath that, and we think
Russell Beluza could get right into that quadrant. So all
of a sudden, this is the show they're going to
go and put out there and make it bigger than
anything and put it up there in the level of
the other pay per views out there. But yet we're

(58:36):
still haven't sold the show out yet with four four
matches already announced, just saying and they're gonna price saw
it out, I know, but it does kind of peculiar
about that. More from Mark Shapiro. He says in Vince
mcgraham was primarily pricing tickets for families, wasn't focused on

(58:56):
maximizing the opportunity to decrease said prices like Tiko is
focused on doing. He set the quiet part out loud.
He goes on to also say that W is not
where the USC is yet on chicket yields. We have
our work to do there, but we've seen a medieval
increase as evidenced by the fifty nine percent margin second quarter.
Well that's counting WrestleMania and money in the bank and

(59:21):
some of the other European shows he had. Yeah, beer
making some real record gates out there. Don't get me wrong,
They're making a lot of money out there. Second quarter
includes summer swim as well. Right, No, actually that'll be
third quarter. But either which way, a lot happening right
now when it comes to W in the fact that

(59:42):
another big thing quietly said out loud that W is
not making enough money as an intellectual property for TKO,
not where the USC is yet on ticket yields. So
Vince McMahon might have price things down the advertimes. They
might have been priced down, you know, But TKO is
trying to go ahead and just they don't worry about

(01:00:05):
the quality of the product. TKO is not worried about
what Triple Ah is doing. They're leaving up the Triple
Hs to go ahead and figure it out. Pretty much
just saying, okay, tri relate, you're in charge. Go figure
it out. Meanwhile, we don't care what you're gonna make.
We're gonna go ahead and price like crazy this product
and charge as much as we can because ticket yels

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and site fees play a big part in driving that
we have. We know we have more room to grow.
Why don't we know that? Because USC is breaking records
everywhere they go. Oh so WDE is not the darling
right now in TKO Group Holdings. Which is that? Which
is why they are blood thirsty for money and blood

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sucking fans of every dollar possible, every dollar possible. If
you looked at what they're doing right now in terms
of the money being made, Let's talk about this real quick,
because this is also pretty interesting as well. Wrestle Tics
does a great job of always showing the pricing now

(01:01:13):
of the tickets for the shows. So, for instance, I
was just looking at tickets right now for aw Dynamite
coming to hard Rock Live for the sixth anniversary show
of Dynamite, and I saw tickets at like thirty five
forty five bucks, And there's like what five thousand seats
in that arena there. You know, it's all it's all

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concerts seating. It's not that bad. I think it's second row.
You're getting up there for thirty forty bucks, and I'll
probably go to that if I find somebody else to
go with. Meanwhile, wrestle Tics, they're going through and if
you look at the price of these shows, wrestle pollser
right now, this is as of this was earlier today

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that wrestle Tics put out here at wrestle Tics on
X just under nineteen hundred tickets available right now for Indianapolis, Indiana,
And as I said, you still have the Indiana Illinois
game coming up on September to twentieth, and also other
college football going up against ESPN. Whatever they're doing, and

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at the moment, I don't think they've even announced yet
what they're gonna be doing yet with college football and
what they're gonna have, particularly for that weekend, I don't
know what it is yet. We still don't have star
times yet for the prime time games coming up. We

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don't know that yet, but we know that Miami and
Florida is still said to be played that weekend. South
Carolina Missouri is also scheduled that weekend. They can all
be night games. They have not been announced with star
times yet. The kickoffs has not been announced yet. AW
is not gonna have to do with any of that,
except for what Michigan and Nebraska. That's the only game
that's gonna be really or Auburn, Oh go home, I guess,

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but those are the two games that they're not gonna
build such a big audience. Illinois Indiana is a seven
thirty star time that has been announced. Illinois Indiana is
in bluing to Indiana, an hour southeast of Indianapolis. That
game is prime time, so people in Indiana they're gonna

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try to be opting to go to that game, which
is sold out, by the way, It's been sold out
for months. Just down the street and Russell Blues is
not sold out yet. Just saying the tickets right now
available standard A mission is available. Cheapest ticket right now
is one hundred and ninety dollars. I wouldn't pay for that.

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I don't think there's anything I would pay maybe a
Miami Heat game to watch the team, but I mean,
that's a lot of money to ask for. And we're
talking about seats that are not near the ring one
ninety two. You're talking about Blue it's not even closed.
You're up. I'll per Deck Friday and I SmackDown coming
up this weekend on Friday. Cheapest ticket for a SmackDown

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show seventy one dollars. Wild one of that Raw coming
up to Dallas, Texas, one of their first shows are
gonna be doing at one of their early shows, are
gonna be doing at seven pm. Eighty nine dollars. Cheapest
ticket right now, And you're talking about tickets that are
way up there in the top cheapest ticket available all

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bleacher seats eighty nine dollars. And as I was saying,
I was just looking at tickets right now for aw
and their sixth anniversary show for Dynamite at hard Rock Live,
and I'm like, you are crazy. I'm looking at once

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again tober first hard Rock Live in Hollywood, about an
hour down the street from me, and I'm looking there
are tickets available at thirty six dollars right now in
the second section above the club level to be in.

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It's not a bad spot to watch in. All those
seats looking pretty good. It's all concert seating right now,
up to one hundred and fifty two dollars for the
best seats. It's wild. I'm just I'm baffled by that.
Now here's the biggest story we haven't talked about yet,

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and this honestly needs its own story as well. But
you know, we're gonna focus a little more on about
this when I do the post show for Wolves Colie
Las Vegas this weekend. Several stories coming out now and
confirming a press release that came out from Saudi Arabia.
Pet Me Insider obtained the fact that there was a

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press release in Arabic issued before was planned to go
out and pulled shortly afterwards. As a result, WrestleMania forty
three is reportedly said to be held in Saudi Arabia.
The wrestling experience will not even be here in North America.
It doesn't even go to Toronto or London or something
like that. No, Saudi Arabia twenty seven, a two night event,

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no doubt, will be in Saudi Arabia, and everybody picked
up on it. Sports Illustrated picked up on the story.
The news began to make the grounds on social media
was in the afternoon after Saudi Arabia advisor Touki Turkey
a la Ao Shekh made the announcement during a live

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Snapchat video, and the rough translation of his comments WrestleMania
has been announced for the first time outside of America,
WrestleMania and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia twenty twenty seven.
Mike Johnson, a Peta Bansidter has confirmed the announcements authenticity.
There was a press release of Positioned in Arabic earlier
in the day, then was pulled shortly and better being
sent out. W itself has yet the confirmed the location

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of Wrestling You in forty three, but although that's an event,
the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has long been after there
were previous rumblings that would do a WrestleMania style event
at Saudi Arabia, but it looks like they're gonna let
it go to Saudi Arabia. Tea Kyo Group Holdings not
worried about that, Sean rossat fifle Sech reaching out that
the company has not heard back in official capacity. One
higher up did get to him about the report and

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said where there smoke, there's fire, and that official announcement
could come as soon as his Friday when Tikia promotes
the Terence Crawford Canelo Alvarez fight on Netflix being sponsored
by Riad's season. So you're getting the move from TKO
Group Holdings that they moved out in New Orleans for
next year, taking a wrestle many forty two to Las

(01:08:04):
Vegas for two nights once again, and now highest bidder.
They're gotta think of the Saudi Arabia. So they're not
even gonna be worried about how much money they can
make on tickets for Las Vegas or somewhere else after
next year, because Saudi Arabia could just put down fifty

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million dollars or a hundredllion dollars whatever they want for
the event. We don't care about how manych the Saudi
Arabians are paying for it. The Crown Princess are flipping
the bill. They got the tab. It's one thing to
get money from Netflix and from Peacock and from ESPN,
but that's Saudi money. Ooh man, they love it. Tell

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you what, all right, We're gonna leave it there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
WrestleMania forty three bimsala bim YadA YadA, Mhi WrestleMania coming up.
We could see that very well happens, so you know,
enjoy that. But again, like I said, I'll be doing
a post show right here to cover world's collide laws.
I guess we'll figure it all out. It's on YouTube's
aready easy for when to go to catch. We'll talk
about that before I do a show about it, and

(01:09:12):
then we'll get things set up for next week were
Wrestled to Lose It and all out coming up with
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