September 1, 2025 • 31 mins
The Tribal Chief, Roman Reigns, secured a decisive victory over Bronson Reed. The Wyatt Sicks, with the eerie presence of Uncle Howdy, successfully defended their WWE Tag Team Championship against The Street Profits.
Becky Lynch, emerged victorious, retaining her WWE Women's Intercontinental Championship against Nikki Bella. Later in the evening, in a crucial Fatal four-way match for the World Heavyweight Championship, Seth Rollins retained his title.
The win came with a twist, in the true style of Bonnie and Clyde Becky helped Rollins defeat CM Punk to retain. The event also featured Rusev overpowering Sheamus in a Good Ol' Fashioned Donnybrook match, while John Cena triumphed over Logan Paul in a singles bout.
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Becky Lynch, emerged victorious, retaining her WWE Women's Intercontinental Championship against Nikki Bella. Later in the evening, in a crucial Fatal four-way match for the World Heavyweight Championship, Seth Rollins retained his title.
The win came with a twist, in the true style of Bonnie and Clyde Becky helped Rollins defeat CM Punk to retain. The event also featured Rusev overpowering Sheamus in a Good Ol' Fashioned Donnybrook match, while John Cena triumphed over Logan Paul in a singles bout.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M dude, Oh my goodness, who the somebody gets glow
blog say it punk?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Who the hell is this? What the hell?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Oh my job, Pucky? Lets set Rollins wife.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Just low blog.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Saying punk Punk of the oh say the Lotts won't
save the championship for Rollins Off the stop and the cover.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And that's the close of w Clash in Paris tonight.
And this is the risk of your podcast. We're gonna
recap it. I'm not getting you a proper intro for this.
We're just not gonna do it. I almost didn't want
to go and do this tonight because there's just a
lot of things I just felt that were just not
right about this. So now the Bonnie and Clyde kind
(01:09):
of deal now, and the fact that Becky Lynch has
now joined the vision, that's fine. Listen. The real talk
about this whole night, coming out of the show in
Pairs is the fact that a j Lee might actually
be coming back out of retirement to set up an
intergender match or a mixed tag with a j Lee
(01:30):
pairing up with se Him Punk after all this time
against Becky Lynch and Cethron's and somewhere we're going to
have the lead up to their continued feud for the
World Heavy we title. That's going to be it for
that Otherwise. The other newsworthy part of the show tonight,
Roman Reigns in a segment that took almost an hour
(01:54):
but fifty six minutes from the start of the show
till we had Adam Pierce backstage ejecting Bronson, Big Bronson
Reid and bron Breaker for the interference post match where
Roman Rains is being taken out for storyline purposes because
(02:17):
he's going to be out for a while. I guess
he's doing another feature movie or something like that. I forget.
Oh yeah, he's doing the Street Fighter right, so he's out.
But the introductions, it took fifteen minutes just to get
the match started with Roman Rains and Bronson read they
go twenty minutes, probably about ten minutes too long, a
(02:40):
big stop, big band style match, because you can't get
you can't get Bronston Reid to go and move that
fast around the ring. He doesn't have He's thirty seven
years old, and let me tell you he runs slow. Sure,
I mean, I'm surprised he can still get up on
the ropes. They say three hundred and thirty pounds is
said weight. I don't believe it. It's higher than that
for sure. And Roman Rains's booked like the baby face
(03:03):
that he has to keep kicking out, which is the
one thing he still has left. But otherwise nothing, I mean,
you've basically just taken away any of the mojo with
Roman Raines's character that has been invested over the last
four years, last five years. From that matter, Paul Himmel
was not much of a factor at all, you know,
(03:27):
And I really just felt this show was sluggish. It
went four hours basically about as close to four hours
as you want to get. Because when did we get
of the finish of the match? What five forty five
five fifty Eastern time? But I mean, for what is
it six matches of the card? I don't it wasn't
say it was six matches in the card. It felt
(03:49):
like forever. But everybody got a lot of time in
these matches. This felt a lot like a SmackDown tonight.
I mean, was so the match is that this Paris
crowd got Okay, you got thirty thousand plus in this
Paris Love Defense Arena. You got such a big crowd
(04:09):
for this. This is what you gave him, you sandwiched
Roman reigns and a very long match with Bronsrina meant nothing. Oh,
he gets his shoes back, and then when he gets
his shoes back, he signs him and gives them off
and then they start to generate the post batch angle.
This is all Paul Haymen written all over it. So
(04:30):
Paul Hayman gets the good book. Anything that has to
do with the Vision, which was the focus tonight, sandwich him,
Roman reigns stretchered out. I mean, how many times we
have to go and see somebody where bron Breaker or
brons Reeder able to go and get back in. Here's
another spear, here's another tsunami. Here's another spear, here's another tsunami.
Said Jay Luso or Jimmy usso come out. So it
(04:53):
was Jesusa right, comes out? So late after this, tyree,
it's going on. And then we move along to at
a Pierce and nobody's coming out here to go and help.
It's like, what's going on here? And the Vision continues
to go ahead and you know, make your tie rate
(05:13):
on and we're also supposed to expect. Okay, So the
good news is that seth Rol is going to be
all alone for his match later tonight in the Fiddle
four way, and ju So is hurt going into the
Fidle four way. So they're booking a little bit towards
the end of the night. Okay, I give them credit
for that. But then in between matches, so the important
(05:39):
part of the Street Profits YA six match is the
Borderlands video game Borderland's four, which, by the way, the
movie version iteration was horrible. Was the worst movie last year.
But the video game still goes on and the Street
Profits come out in that and they're playing up a
little bit of the Wyatt sixth thing that they brought up.
(06:00):
Was it a rare smack? Don I forget where Bo
Dallas came out as himself to start planting seas a
doubt in the camaraderie of the brotherhood that is the
Street Profits and the Y six take care of the
Street Profits in thirteen minutes done. Becky Lynch Nicky Bella,
(06:22):
Nicky Bella made a little bit of a trouble trying
to get you in Somersault earlier in the night, and
a part of the choreography that did not go well,
and Nicko Billa was panned. Listen, I'm glad that she said.
I mean, I like the fact that she came back
and decided to go and work in the company again.
I can appreciate that. That's fine. She looks great. I mean,
(06:45):
you know she has an age at all. It's amazing
she's got She's just still looks great. But was never
the best wrestler and the friend are going to come
back in after so much time off, I'd be a
bit rusty. I'm not surprised. So Becky Lynch Blick Gibella
didn't do it well. This crowd, by the way, I mean,
if we had to gon talk about Pavlovian dogs, this
(07:08):
was the crowd. This crowd felt like they were mind controlled. Okay,
they didn't necessarily cheer organically. They basically were just like
a chant fest. So they knew they had to go
and sing here, chant here, say this here, do this
phrase here. It's as if they had a script, as
(07:29):
somebody was just orchestrating them. Do this chant, do this chant.
It felt like it was stay controlled. I mean, it
didn't feel right, it felt contrived. But every crowd knows
to do it. And this is the point where the
company I guess they feel good with the fact they
(07:49):
got thirty thousand people to go and do the same
thing all at one time. This crowd was never going
to go and do anything that was going on in
this They don't care if the match was boring, they
didn't care if the matches were slow or sluggish, didn't care.
They were just going to go ahead and go along
with it regardless. I don't know what they did, what
(08:10):
they plant into this crowd to get them to go
ahead and just go along like that. But watching on television,
this pay per view, this premium leve event, was not
made for this audience, not for the television audience. What
they provide for us as a television product right now
is solely for the house show. It's solely for the
(08:31):
crowd that is paying top dollar at the gate to watch.
And by the way, they're complaining about the fact of
how much your pain I mean, do I have to
go and say that? A couple times in Paris while
this was going on, there were chants from the crowd,
upset about how much they're pain how about the chance
(08:52):
in French of we don't have money left? Breaking out
at clash in Paris here you go, we don't have
money left. That's embarrassing. But they got a full crowd
(09:12):
in here, and I can imagine how much money they
must have paid for all this to go in this
and spend like crazy. And they got yeah, the stars
they have there, but they necessarily booked great. But then
these matches between then you got Russov and Seamus. This
is a match we might have cared about ten years ago.
(09:33):
We're like twelve years ago. Russa wins. They give this
match twenty minutes, a good old fashioned Donniebrick match. It
would be a match that would do in Europe as
part of a roll SmackDown, just a time filler, and
this got twenty minutes. Seen you, loucle Paul? Is this expected?
(09:53):
Listen what they were able to go and do. The
most notable thing of this match was the fact that
MGF said buckshot Larry by Logan Paul and says that
MGF got me laughing today. Man boy, he got me good,
as he says, Russell talk tweets out look and Paul
(10:16):
hits his buckshot Larryot Maxwell, Jacob Friedman way better than
the Crooked Cowboys. Oh man, that was good. Oh my goodness.
That made me got that gave me a good laugh,
and then somebody actually asking when are you gonna go
and move to W and I and somebody then rode
(10:38):
back never in caps and I gave a heart to that. No,
but I gotta appreciate watching the opposing product. And just
this listen. If we're gonna get a premium live event
in Russell Palouza coming up in Indianapolis, and this is
what's going to go up against All Out, I hate
(11:01):
to break it to the toxic juveitial delusional fandom out there.
W is not drawing additional fans away from AW to
watch that event. Okay, if you get the dream match
of aj Lee, CM Punk partnering together against Becky Lynch
(11:24):
and seth Ron's doesn't matter. What I think people need
to understand is that there is such a thing as
two separate audiences for wrestling, the ones that will take
what the w gives them. You know, if that's your flavor,
that's fine, But trust me, there is a flavor of
(11:44):
wrestling fans that are okay, not watching w when there's
an alternative to it, and the fact that it will
be a premium live event of that caliber like a
wrestled Baluza with maybe that we might be main evented
with that match. Fine, I don't think it's going to
take eyeballs away from what AW is doing. Whatever AEW
(12:06):
is going to be doing, it's not going to make
a difference. And I think WWE doesn't really necessarily pay
attention to that fact. May they don't realize it, or
they don't care, whether they're just ignorant or just stubborn,
or just full of ventriol and hatred. As I said,
there are some people within that company, and there are
(12:28):
many of those fans that fall along with this company
loyalty to the Hill, that have a significant Tony Kahn
arrangement syndrome. So if you think a pay per V
like this tonight put up against any paper V is
going to make any dent, I mean sure the wrestling
dirties might talk more about it. I don't know if
there's a choice in between. I can go back and
(12:50):
watch the w pay per view back on demand. I'm
not missing anything to watch it live. I'll take the
AW pay per view first. It's because that's the way
I used to do it before. If I had Nitro
and Raw going on at the same time. I'm watching
Nitro first, and then I go back and watch Raw
(13:11):
on tape same night, and then if I have night,
if I have Thunder or spack Down on the same night,
I'm watching Thunder and then I will skip through and
watch SmackDown. That was the advantage of having a VCR
and just recording that and watching Nitro or Thunder live.
That's how I used to do it. Pretty simple, because
(13:34):
you could have watched this paper view in any time tonight.
Are you really missing anything? No, not really. I could
have totally missed this paper view tonight. I don't think
it would have made a difference. There was nothing that
really made me feel so excited about it. I just did.
There's a payer view coming up. That's it. The booking
is very simple and basic. Listen. I could just go
(13:56):
through Wikipedia right now and they can give me a
whole justify point of the storylines that led up to
all this, okay, which and explained why we are where
we are now. Anyway, the one match we didn't get
was supposed to be for the women's world title, and
that was Naomi, but she has her pregnancy so she
(14:18):
relinquished the belot and nothing's been said yet about what
was going to happen. But seven Who that Care was
supposed to get a match for the women's World title
after winning the Evolution in Battle Royal at Clash in
Pais But then things, you know, of course, cards something
to change, so it didn't happen. So the essential points
(14:42):
of all the matches we had today for Johnson Universal's
Loga Paul, if you had to go and kill us,
everything that was put into what was the build up
for this match. It's major celebrity versus ledgend matchup from
villain to hero Johnish and Johnson to huge challenge excepted
by Logan Paul, a new chapter for Sena as hero,
and significant segules match for Logan Paul. That's all the
(15:03):
match was based on. So Logan Paul is gonna have
his match to go ahead and go up against John Cena.
He's just one of those people that are gonna be
laid into the list of characters that are gonna take
him on in his retirement tour. And there you go.
There's the match for the Fatal four Way. It was
multiple intertwined rivalries, Seth Brawn's taking the knee and try
to win the money to bank briefcase cashing in and
(15:23):
defe didn't see him punk for the worl Heavway title,
So there's a storyline there that's a Paul Hayman thing.
I'm sure he was involved in the whole part of that.
And the faction of the Vision Rawls must have been
the statle against punk L a knight who's been feuding
with Rowlins since before his injury, and Jeeuz who has
a long history with Rowlins' group, so personal grudges a
(15:44):
chaotic battle in that. And for Ferusive and Seamless, it
was a long running rivalry built on a series of matches.
They've traded wins, had a match ending in a draw
which led to the good old fashion Donny Brick match
to settle the feud of all things. For Roman Rains
(16:05):
and Bronson Reid, it's based on shoes, so conflict between
Roman Reigns and the Vision. Rains and his cousin jay
Us are attacked by the Vision Rain seeking revenge on
a key member of the group also been disrespecting him
by selling his shoes. That's your storyline on that. That's
all you got on that, And if you want to
(16:25):
count Paul Hayman's involvement in all this okay, And with
Becky Lynch and Nikky Billa, it's on a personal insult,
Nicky Billa calling Becky Lynch a disappointment. That's all this page,
that's all this match was based on as well. And
they found themselves in a championship match, and for the
(16:45):
Y six, it was just a rematch. They feeded defeated
the Street Prophets to win the detag Team titles Retina
titles the Summer Slam Street Profits regained the titles. One
of the regained the titles getting another shot after winning
a Number one contenders match. And I said, I mean,
the storylines are based on very simple, basic generic feels.
(17:11):
I don't know if WWE right now, in the current
incarnation has to just dumb down the storylines so simple,
to make it very easy for the least common denominator
to go ahead and fallow along. But that's what I
felt like fans like myself, I felt my like my
intelligence was insulted tonight because the storylines are based on nothing.
(17:34):
And when you have them this simple, then why even
have the TV shows? Look, I get more intricate, complex
storylines from an MLW pay per view, and that's once
a month I see them on TV. I get more
storylines from a Triple A pay per view from Worlds
Collide going into Triple Mania. The booking they're doing right
(17:56):
now is so simple. It's based on the fact that
you could just be running the pay per views and
you don't need a television. But basically that is what
they're booking for right now. It doesn't even matter if
they have the television right now, they could just be
booking on social media leading up to the pay per views,
the payper real live events and that's it. But that's
(18:17):
all they need. That's the first part of the insult
to intelligence that I get right now off this company
on a regular basis. But that's my own personal animis.
I'm not gonna go ahead and go along and say, hey,
you know what, I'll give benefit of the doubt and say, hey,
you know, we are getting storylines. They're just very basic
and simple. But I mean, if the crowd likes it,
the loyal, juitile, delusional fandom likes it, I guess, well,
(18:39):
I guess I'm wrong. It's just not my kind of thing.
But the rest of the competition is not going to
be doing it this way. Even TNA when they have
their storylines, they're a little bit more intricate than this
for sure, But right now, what Debri does for NXC
does I mean for the sake of the television, it
should be more complex. It's an intricate but they're not.
(19:02):
They don't want to do it that way. But that
hurts the product because the TV product, you need something
for people to have a reason to watch, and you don't.
Because what I hear now more than anything else, and
what I ever catch on this program is you see
the same stuff over and over because we're only seeing
the house show loop. It's like Groundhog Day. Every week.
(19:24):
Ron's back down the same stuff over and over. You
could almost put the same word for word promos out
there because they're basically being less organic. To just leave
it to them, not even talking points, just go out there,
doesn't matter what you say. I don't want it to
be that way. It wasn't always like this. I mean,
(19:48):
I don't know is Bruce Pritchard and the others back
there are they booking for the eighties when they only
had an hour a week. You have a commitment of
what a half hours a week of your main roster
product of what you're making about a billion dollars a year,
(20:09):
and I don't know what you're doing. I don't get it.
You have capable people that can actually go ahead and
you know, perform the storylines. I even imagine some of
the people that I'm not necessarily big about either, if
you gave them the right stuff to work off of,
they could probably go and cut promos back there backstage.
They could probably take some storylines and run with it.
(20:31):
I would prefer that, But we're not getting that at all.
They don't want to give us that, and it is
becoming much more generic than ever before, is it? Because
I don't know when they have to go to TKO
headquarters and they have to go and explain to the
management in the corporate structure. Do do officials like Okay,
(20:54):
Triple H, Paul Hamm and Bruce Richard whoever else they
have to go and explain this stuff to Ari Emmanuel
and Mark Shapiro who else? Or Nick con like, do
you need to just like make it so simple that
they can even they can understand it, because they might
think to themselves, well, USC is not like this just
do like what UC does. They do something simple because
the storylines are like UFC, there's not much to it,
(21:16):
but they're not They don't want to make anything make believe.
They don't want to do anything make believe whatsoever? Do
you just want to go ahead and create a story
based on whatever they can kind of put together awful
what's been done before. They don't want to create anything new.
They don't want to be responsible for continentity for anything
(21:38):
they create. Extra. But right now, the Vision, that's a
full Paul haym and production right there. The fact that
he's bringing wives into it, that's an absolute hundred percent,
that's one hundred percent what Paul Ham would do. He
likes bringing the spouses into it, which is which is
(22:01):
why he did anything with Rusa v. Lana, which is
why in ECW had Billlia mcgilli, Kelly and Tommy Dreamer
up against a Sam and a woman because the same
thing or Samman's son coming out like all those kind
of things. He loves doing that crap man. That's the
ECW storyline right there. So that the Vision storyline. Now,
(22:25):
the fact that beckuing leg is part of that, Okay,
I could take that part Reverend Rings being taken out
the way he was. I could think that part too.
It just felt like it was Paul Hyman booking, which
is fine. I'm used to that. That's okay. I don't
necessarily care for the way they decided to go date
Reuben Rains out, but that's that's neither here in order.
(22:46):
There why Broston Reid has looked at I don't know.
I feel like with Broston Reid, I think Paul Hyman
sees him as a band band but type, and I
don't I'm sorry. Bamman Bigelow was much more agile, much
more athletic, and could do a hell of a lot more.
(23:08):
He could run circles for Bronson Reid. I'm sure Bronston
Reid would know that too. But it's pretty obvious that's
seth Wrong's Becky Lynch Now you're gonna have the point
of that and Becky Lynch interjecting her into this right now,
she's a title holder. You really can't do much with
her right now on the certain story lenses she has.
Right now, she's kind of exhausted with Becky Bailey or
(23:30):
Lyra and whoever else they got back there, So yeah,
give her something to go and do you tire in
right now on this that's fine, but the rest of
this show that they sandwich it in between poo. I
(23:51):
don't know, man, they just I mean, there's a lot
to be said about what they could have done and
no title changes of course, so they're basically booking like
a Scott. The more the B level pay per views,
the T and A plus paper views right the ones
(24:12):
that are not the major for and it feels like
that's what they're doing, is that the major poor pay
per views are what they're going to be doing. And
the only title change we got at all was for
the US title with the MFTs and Soulo SOAKA dropping
to belt the same hes ain't which you did that
on spack down. Now why didn't put on the pay
(24:33):
per view? You put it on spackdown, So a title
change doesn't happen on what's been paid for on peacock, No,
you put it on cable. I mean it's a little
bit out of sorts, but this is what this company's
going to choose to do. Like what am I supposed
to go and do? But just think my points about
(24:54):
it and just leave it alone. But I am definitely
of the opinion that AW has nothing to worry about.
They need to worry about their own ship. AW needs
to be concerned about what they needed to do to
get mainstream presents. They do not do. You not need
(25:17):
to be looking at wv's competition because what ww is
doing is nothing at all what AW is doing, and
AW obviously does not want to be doing what WV
is doing. Tony Kahan prefers a little more intricate, complex
storytelling with some make believe in there, stretching whatever has
(25:44):
to be done to create a storyline that will be
cohesive to put a match together. Now, you don't have
to like who he's being who he's booking for those matches.
You don't like the like the matchups he has for those,
You don't have to like the storylines for those. But
he's doing it that way, which is actually what sports
entertainment is based on. And I've already made my point
(26:06):
about what the w B is right now. It's very basic, generic,
It's easy for the audience to consume, easy for mass
audiences to consume. That's it. But for fans like me,
they're not booking. WE is not being booked for fans
like me anymore. It's not. But I also think they're
insulting the young fans intelligence out there that I think
they could take a little more, make believe, a little
(26:28):
more suspension of disbelief. We could do more with that,
but they don't want to do that here. And there
are other stars they have in their roster they could
be using, but they're not. For the fact that you're
fed a four way match, you have all forty year
olds in there for the world heavyweight title. Not a
(26:49):
lot of young players in this mix either. By the way,
keep that in mind. Everybody that you had in this
match was relatively except for Logan Paul, he might have
been the youngest star in the whole group. But everybody
else Wall into their forties or near it. That's it.
Brother Three's thirty seven, La Nine's forty one. I think
(27:10):
Seth Throngs is in his forties, right, seen Us in
his forties, see him Punk Wall in his forties, teetering
towards fifty. Gus already hit him in his forties, right,
They're just older, you see. They want to have up
there no new stars to think about or even to
be considered. I mean, if there are what bron Breaker,
(27:31):
who's just a just a player, a cog in the
wheel of the vision, but he's not being made important.
At one point he was Icy champion multiple times. What
has he done now? He just does spears and he can,
you know, get the crowd to go ahead and start
barking like dogs. That's it. You didn't put bron Breaker
(27:54):
in the storyline here with Roman Range, No, you had
to go and give Bronson read over shoe. Remember they
like trinkets and part of storylines. So bracelets, shoes, proving
you're wrong, raising my hand in victory. These are the
(28:14):
things of value more than the belts. I'm just repeating myself,
but it needs to be repeated again, all right, And
that's all I gotta say about this. I'm not going
any farther than this, but I was disappointed way too
long of this pay per view. By the way, this
(28:35):
could have been two and a half hours. It could
almost have been two hours. They did not need to
go ahead go this long. Four hours of this show unacceptable,
the intros for all this year, and I almost timed
it exactly. I had to go ahead and stop. I was,
you know, driving Ruber all day to day watching the
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pay per view because in the middle of the day
it's just tough to watch as supposed to watching it night.
And then look after five o'clock, I know they were
going right to the main event, and they were already
it was doing the promo right before they do the introductions,
and I needed to go to the restroom, and I
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needed about fifteen minutes to take that break. And by
the time I came back out of the bathroom, they
had just started introducing the participants of the ring. Alicia
Taylor had just started doing intros. Fifteen minutes of intros.
Saw almost times did exactly right. Seem Pump was gonna
take forever to get out there. His song sung Jayu's
so in the eat chance going on and Sethrong's coming
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out to his thing. Yeah, I knew it was gonna
take a while. Fifteen minutes for that fifteen minutes, Rumen
Rains and brons Arita come on out. There's no extra
pomp or circumstance necessary. Okay, I'm not necessarily impressed by it.
The drone shots don't care about that either, and the
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unnecessary amount of gratuitous advertising, like the French crowd there
in Paris. Yeah, what are they gonna know about Papa
John's and Reodd season and all this other stuff? Is
it gonna even matter? Is we're just here? Oh, don't
worry about this. Listen, we don't care what city we're in.
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Here's the Eiffel Tower. That's what we know about Paris.
So we'll put that right there to recognize what's the difference.
But let's picture Redd season right there in the front. Oh,
nothing about on the ropes or the apron Okay, re
Odd season, big huge logo in the middle of the
ring with all these other American sponsors that these French
people will not even care or even notice what that's
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all about. Probably won't even have money for it, because
of course we're all out of money. Yeah. Oh, and
by the way, it was a fatal four way match
with an ODQ and somebody asks, why did Becky need
to disguise herself? It's an o DQ match, So she
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disguised herself to give the low blow to see him
punk while she had while he had seth wrongs with
go to sleep. And yeah, she had to go ahead
and reveal herself in an o DQ match. Pretty good
point anyways, Okay, well that's how I'm gonna do this
show tonight. That's it. Thanks for listening in Finding Out
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And that's the close of w Clash in Paris tonight.
And this is the risk of your podcast. We're gonna
recap it. I'm not getting you a proper intro for this.
We're just not gonna do it. I almost didn't want
to go and do this tonight because there's just a
lot of things I just felt that were just not
right about this. So now the Bonnie and Clyde kind
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of deal now, and the fact that Becky Lynch has
now joined the vision, that's fine. Listen. The real talk
about this whole night, coming out of the show in
Pairs is the fact that a j Lee might actually
be coming back out of retirement to set up an
intergender match or a mixed tag with a j Lee
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pairing up with se Him Punk after all this time
against Becky Lynch and Cethron's and somewhere we're going to
have the lead up to their continued feud for the
World Heavy we title. That's going to be it for
that Otherwise. The other newsworthy part of the show tonight,
Roman Reigns in a segment that took almost an hour
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but fifty six minutes from the start of the show
till we had Adam Pierce backstage ejecting Bronson, Big Bronson
Reid and bron Breaker for the interference post match where
Roman Rains is being taken out for storyline purposes because
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he's going to be out for a while. I guess
he's doing another feature movie or something like that. I forget.
Oh yeah, he's doing the Street Fighter right, so he's out.
But the introductions, it took fifteen minutes just to get
the match started with Roman Rains and Bronson read they
go twenty minutes, probably about ten minutes too long, a
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big stop, big band style match, because you can't get
you can't get Bronston Reid to go and move that
fast around the ring. He doesn't have He's thirty seven
years old, and let me tell you he runs slow. Sure,
I mean, I'm surprised he can still get up on
the ropes. They say three hundred and thirty pounds is
said weight. I don't believe it. It's higher than that
for sure. And Roman Rains's booked like the baby face
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that he has to keep kicking out, which is the
one thing he still has left. But otherwise nothing, I mean,
you've basically just taken away any of the mojo with
Roman Raines's character that has been invested over the last
four years, last five years. From that matter, Paul Himmel
was not much of a factor at all, you know,
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And I really just felt this show was sluggish. It
went four hours basically about as close to four hours
as you want to get. Because when did we get
of the finish of the match? What five forty five
five fifty Eastern time? But I mean, for what is
it six matches of the card? I don't it wasn't
say it was six matches in the card. It felt
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like forever. But everybody got a lot of time in
these matches. This felt a lot like a SmackDown tonight.
I mean, was so the match is that this Paris
crowd got Okay, you got thirty thousand plus in this
Paris Love Defense Arena. You got such a big crowd
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for this. This is what you gave him, you sandwiched
Roman reigns and a very long match with Bronsrina meant nothing. Oh,
he gets his shoes back, and then when he gets
his shoes back, he signs him and gives them off
and then they start to generate the post batch angle.
This is all Paul Haymen written all over it. So
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Paul Hayman gets the good book. Anything that has to
do with the Vision, which was the focus tonight, sandwich him,
Roman reigns stretchered out. I mean, how many times we
have to go and see somebody where bron Breaker or
brons Reeder able to go and get back in. Here's
another spear, here's another tsunami. Here's another spear, here's another tsunami.
Said Jay Luso or Jimmy usso come out. So it
(04:53):
was Jesusa right, comes out? So late after this, tyree,
it's going on. And then we move along to at
a Pierce and nobody's coming out here to go and help.
It's like, what's going on here? And the Vision continues
to go ahead and you know, make your tie rate
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on and we're also supposed to expect. Okay, So the
good news is that seth Rol is going to be
all alone for his match later tonight in the Fiddle
four way, and ju So is hurt going into the
Fidle four way. So they're booking a little bit towards
the end of the night. Okay, I give them credit
for that. But then in between matches, so the important
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part of the Street Profits YA six match is the
Borderlands video game Borderland's four, which, by the way, the
movie version iteration was horrible. Was the worst movie last year.
But the video game still goes on and the Street
Profits come out in that and they're playing up a
little bit of the Wyatt sixth thing that they brought up.
(06:00):
Was it a rare smack? Don I forget where Bo
Dallas came out as himself to start planting seas a
doubt in the camaraderie of the brotherhood that is the
Street Profits and the Y six take care of the
Street Profits in thirteen minutes done. Becky Lynch Nicky Bella,
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Nicky Bella made a little bit of a trouble trying
to get you in Somersault earlier in the night, and
a part of the choreography that did not go well,
and Nicko Billa was panned. Listen, I'm glad that she said.
I mean, I like the fact that she came back
and decided to go and work in the company again.
I can appreciate that. That's fine. She looks great. I mean,
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you know she has an age at all. It's amazing
she's got She's just still looks great. But was never
the best wrestler and the friend are going to come
back in after so much time off, I'd be a
bit rusty. I'm not surprised. So Becky Lynch Blick Gibella
didn't do it well. This crowd, by the way, I mean,
if we had to gon talk about Pavlovian dogs, this
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was the crowd. This crowd felt like they were mind controlled. Okay,
they didn't necessarily cheer organically. They basically were just like
a chant fest. So they knew they had to go
and sing here, chant here, say this here, do this
phrase here. It's as if they had a script, as
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somebody was just orchestrating them. Do this chant, do this chant.
It felt like it was stay controlled. I mean, it
didn't feel right, it felt contrived. But every crowd knows
to do it. And this is the point where the
company I guess they feel good with the fact they
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got thirty thousand people to go and do the same
thing all at one time. This crowd was never going
to go and do anything that was going on in
this They don't care if the match was boring, they
didn't care if the matches were slow or sluggish, didn't care.
They were just going to go ahead and go along
with it regardless. I don't know what they did, what
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they plant into this crowd to get them to go
ahead and just go along like that. But watching on television,
this pay per view, this premium leve event, was not
made for this audience, not for the television audience. What
they provide for us as a television product right now
is solely for the house show. It's solely for the
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crowd that is paying top dollar at the gate to watch.
And by the way, they're complaining about the fact of
how much your pain I mean, do I have to
go and say that? A couple times in Paris while
this was going on, there were chants from the crowd,
upset about how much they're pain how about the chance
(08:52):
in French of we don't have money left? Breaking out
at clash in Paris here you go, we don't have
money left. That's embarrassing. But they got a full crowd
(09:12):
in here, and I can imagine how much money they
must have paid for all this to go in this
and spend like crazy. And they got yeah, the stars
they have there, but they necessarily booked great. But then
these matches between then you got Russov and Seamus. This
is a match we might have cared about ten years ago.
(09:33):
We're like twelve years ago. Russa wins. They give this
match twenty minutes, a good old fashioned Donniebrick match. It
would be a match that would do in Europe as
part of a roll SmackDown, just a time filler, and
this got twenty minutes. Seen you, loucle Paul? Is this expected?
(09:53):
Listen what they were able to go and do. The
most notable thing of this match was the fact that
MGF said buckshot Larry by Logan Paul and says that
MGF got me laughing today. Man boy, he got me good,
as he says, Russell talk tweets out look and Paul
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hits his buckshot Larryot Maxwell, Jacob Friedman way better than
the Crooked Cowboys. Oh man, that was good. Oh my goodness.
That made me got that gave me a good laugh,
and then somebody actually asking when are you gonna go
and move to W and I and somebody then rode
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back never in caps and I gave a heart to that. No,
but I gotta appreciate watching the opposing product. And just
this listen. If we're gonna get a premium live event
in Russell Palouza coming up in Indianapolis, and this is
what's going to go up against All Out, I hate
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to break it to the toxic juveitial delusional fandom out there.
W is not drawing additional fans away from AW to
watch that event. Okay, if you get the dream match
of aj Lee, CM Punk partnering together against Becky Lynch
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and seth Ron's doesn't matter. What I think people need
to understand is that there is such a thing as
two separate audiences for wrestling, the ones that will take
what the w gives them. You know, if that's your flavor,
that's fine, But trust me, there is a flavor of
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wrestling fans that are okay, not watching w when there's
an alternative to it, and the fact that it will
be a premium live event of that caliber like a
wrestled Baluza with maybe that we might be main evented
with that match. Fine, I don't think it's going to
take eyeballs away from what AW is doing. Whatever AEW
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is going to be doing, it's not going to make
a difference. And I think WWE doesn't really necessarily pay
attention to that fact. May they don't realize it, or
they don't care, whether they're just ignorant or just stubborn,
or just full of ventriol and hatred. As I said,
there are some people within that company, and there are
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many of those fans that fall along with this company
loyalty to the Hill, that have a significant Tony Kahn
arrangement syndrome. So if you think a pay per V
like this tonight put up against any paper V is
going to make any dent, I mean sure the wrestling
dirties might talk more about it. I don't know if
there's a choice in between. I can go back and
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watch the w pay per view back on demand. I'm
not missing anything to watch it live. I'll take the
AW pay per view first. It's because that's the way
I used to do it before. If I had Nitro
and Raw going on at the same time. I'm watching
Nitro first, and then I go back and watch Raw
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on tape same night, and then if I have night,
if I have Thunder or spack Down on the same night,
I'm watching Thunder and then I will skip through and
watch SmackDown. That was the advantage of having a VCR
and just recording that and watching Nitro or Thunder live.
That's how I used to do it. Pretty simple, because
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you could have watched this paper view in any time tonight.
Are you really missing anything? No, not really. I could
have totally missed this paper view tonight. I don't think
it would have made a difference. There was nothing that
really made me feel so excited about it. I just did.
There's a payer view coming up. That's it. The booking
is very simple and basic. Listen. I could just go
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through Wikipedia right now and they can give me a
whole justify point of the storylines that led up to
all this, okay, which and explained why we are where
we are now. Anyway, the one match we didn't get
was supposed to be for the women's world title, and
that was Naomi, but she has her pregnancy so she
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relinquished the belot and nothing's been said yet about what
was going to happen. But seven Who that Care was
supposed to get a match for the women's World title
after winning the Evolution in Battle Royal at Clash in
Pais But then things, you know, of course, cards something
to change, so it didn't happen. So the essential points
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of all the matches we had today for Johnson Universal's
Loga Paul, if you had to go and kill us,
everything that was put into what was the build up
for this match. It's major celebrity versus ledgend matchup from
villain to hero Johnish and Johnson to huge challenge excepted
by Logan Paul, a new chapter for Sena as hero,
and significant segules match for Logan Paul. That's all the
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match was based on. So Logan Paul is gonna have
his match to go ahead and go up against John Cena.
He's just one of those people that are gonna be
laid into the list of characters that are gonna take
him on in his retirement tour. And there you go.
There's the match for the Fatal four Way. It was
multiple intertwined rivalries, Seth Brawn's taking the knee and try
to win the money to bank briefcase cashing in and
(15:23):
defe didn't see him punk for the worl Heavway title,
So there's a storyline there that's a Paul Hayman thing.
I'm sure he was involved in the whole part of that.
And the faction of the Vision Rawls must have been
the statle against punk L a knight who's been feuding
with Rowlins since before his injury, and Jeeuz who has
a long history with Rowlins' group, so personal grudges a
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chaotic battle in that. And for Ferusive and Seamless, it
was a long running rivalry built on a series of matches.
They've traded wins, had a match ending in a draw
which led to the good old fashion Donny Brick match
to settle the feud of all things. For Roman Rains
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and Bronson Reid, it's based on shoes, so conflict between
Roman Reigns and the Vision. Rains and his cousin jay
Us are attacked by the Vision Rain seeking revenge on
a key member of the group also been disrespecting him
by selling his shoes. That's your storyline on that. That's
all you got on that, And if you want to
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count Paul Hayman's involvement in all this okay, And with
Becky Lynch and Nikky Billa, it's on a personal insult,
Nicky Billa calling Becky Lynch a disappointment. That's all this page,
that's all this match was based on as well. And
they found themselves in a championship match, and for the
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Y six, it was just a rematch. They feeded defeated
the Street Prophets to win the detag Team titles Retina
titles the Summer Slam Street Profits regained the titles. One
of the regained the titles getting another shot after winning
a Number one contenders match. And I said, I mean,
the storylines are based on very simple, basic generic feels.
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I don't know if WWE right now, in the current
incarnation has to just dumb down the storylines so simple,
to make it very easy for the least common denominator
to go ahead and fallow along. But that's what I
felt like fans like myself, I felt my like my
intelligence was insulted tonight because the storylines are based on nothing.
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And when you have them this simple, then why even
have the TV shows? Look, I get more intricate, complex
storylines from an MLW pay per view, and that's once
a month I see them on TV. I get more
storylines from a Triple A pay per view from Worlds
Collide going into Triple Mania. The booking they're doing right
(17:56):
now is so simple. It's based on the fact that
you could just be running the pay per views and
you don't need a television. But basically that is what
they're booking for right now. It doesn't even matter if
they have the television right now, they could just be
booking on social media leading up to the pay per views,
the payper real live events and that's it. But that's
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all they need. That's the first part of the insult
to intelligence that I get right now off this company
on a regular basis. But that's my own personal animis.
I'm not gonna go ahead and go along and say, hey,
you know what, I'll give benefit of the doubt and say, hey,
you know, we are getting storylines. They're just very basic
and simple. But I mean, if the crowd likes it,
the loyal, juitile, delusional fandom likes it, I guess, well,
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I guess I'm wrong. It's just not my kind of thing.
But the rest of the competition is not going to
be doing it this way. Even TNA when they have
their storylines, they're a little bit more intricate than this
for sure, But right now, what Debri does for NXC
does I mean for the sake of the television, it
should be more complex. It's an intricate but they're not.
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They don't want to do it that way. But that
hurts the product because the TV product, you need something
for people to have a reason to watch, and you don't.
Because what I hear now more than anything else, and
what I ever catch on this program is you see
the same stuff over and over because we're only seeing
the house show loop. It's like Groundhog Day. Every week.
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Ron's back down the same stuff over and over. You
could almost put the same word for word promos out
there because they're basically being less organic. To just leave
it to them, not even talking points, just go out there,
doesn't matter what you say. I don't want it to
be that way. It wasn't always like this. I mean,
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I don't know is Bruce Pritchard and the others back
there are they booking for the eighties when they only
had an hour a week. You have a commitment of
what a half hours a week of your main roster
product of what you're making about a billion dollars a year,
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and I don't know what you're doing. I don't get it.
You have capable people that can actually go ahead and
you know, perform the storylines. I even imagine some of
the people that I'm not necessarily big about either, if
you gave them the right stuff to work off of,
they could probably go and cut promos back there backstage.
They could probably take some storylines and run with it.
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I would prefer that, But we're not getting that at all.
They don't want to give us that, and it is
becoming much more generic than ever before, is it? Because
I don't know when they have to go to TKO
headquarters and they have to go and explain to the
management in the corporate structure. Do do officials like Okay,
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Triple H, Paul Hamm and Bruce Richard whoever else they
have to go and explain this stuff to Ari Emmanuel
and Mark Shapiro who else? Or Nick con like, do
you need to just like make it so simple that
they can even they can understand it, because they might
think to themselves, well, USC is not like this just
do like what UC does. They do something simple because
the storylines are like UFC, there's not much to it,
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but they're not They don't want to make anything make believe.
They don't want to do anything make believe whatsoever? Do
you just want to go ahead and create a story
based on whatever they can kind of put together awful
what's been done before. They don't want to create anything new.
They don't want to be responsible for continentity for anything
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they create. Extra. But right now, the Vision, that's a
full Paul haym and production right there. The fact that
he's bringing wives into it, that's an absolute hundred percent,
that's one hundred percent what Paul Ham would do. He
likes bringing the spouses into it, which is which is
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why he did anything with Rusa v. Lana, which is
why in ECW had Billlia mcgilli, Kelly and Tommy Dreamer
up against a Sam and a woman because the same
thing or Samman's son coming out like all those kind
of things. He loves doing that crap man. That's the
ECW storyline right there. So that the Vision storyline. Now,
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the fact that beckuing leg is part of that, Okay,
I could take that part Reverend Rings being taken out
the way he was. I could think that part too.
It just felt like it was Paul Hyman booking, which
is fine. I'm used to that. That's okay. I don't
necessarily care for the way they decided to go date
Reuben Rains out, but that's that's neither here in order.
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There why Broston Reid has looked at I don't know.
I feel like with Broston Reid, I think Paul Hyman
sees him as a band band but type, and I
don't I'm sorry. Bamman Bigelow was much more agile, much
more athletic, and could do a hell of a lot more.
(23:08):
He could run circles for Bronson Reid. I'm sure Bronston
Reid would know that too. But it's pretty obvious that's
seth Wrong's Becky Lynch Now you're gonna have the point
of that and Becky Lynch interjecting her into this right now,
she's a title holder. You really can't do much with
her right now on the certain story lenses she has.
Right now, she's kind of exhausted with Becky Bailey or
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Lyra and whoever else they got back there, So yeah,
give her something to go and do you tire in
right now on this that's fine, but the rest of
this show that they sandwich it in between poo. I
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don't know, man, they just I mean, there's a lot
to be said about what they could have done and
no title changes of course, so they're basically booking like
a Scott. The more the B level pay per views,
the T and A plus paper views right the ones
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that are not the major for and it feels like
that's what they're doing, is that the major poor pay
per views are what they're going to be doing. And
the only title change we got at all was for
the US title with the MFTs and Soulo SOAKA dropping
to belt the same hes ain't which you did that
on spack down. Now why didn't put on the pay
(24:33):
per view? You put it on spackdown, So a title
change doesn't happen on what's been paid for on peacock, No,
you put it on cable. I mean it's a little
bit out of sorts, but this is what this company's
going to choose to do. Like what am I supposed
to go and do? But just think my points about
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it and just leave it alone. But I am definitely
of the opinion that AW has nothing to worry about.
They need to worry about their own ship. AW needs
to be concerned about what they needed to do to
get mainstream presents. They do not do. You not need
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to be looking at wv's competition because what ww is
doing is nothing at all what AW is doing, and
AW obviously does not want to be doing what WV
is doing. Tony Kahan prefers a little more intricate, complex
storytelling with some make believe in there, stretching whatever has
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to be done to create a storyline that will be
cohesive to put a match together. Now, you don't have
to like who he's being who he's booking for those matches.
You don't like the like the matchups he has for those,
You don't have to like the storylines for those. But
he's doing it that way, which is actually what sports
entertainment is based on. And I've already made my point
(26:06):
about what the w B is right now. It's very basic, generic,
It's easy for the audience to consume, easy for mass
audiences to consume. That's it. But for fans like me,
they're not booking. WE is not being booked for fans
like me anymore. It's not. But I also think they're
insulting the young fans intelligence out there that I think
they could take a little more, make believe, a little
(26:28):
more suspension of disbelief. We could do more with that,
but they don't want to do that here. And there
are other stars they have in their roster they could
be using, but they're not. For the fact that you're
fed a four way match, you have all forty year
olds in there for the world heavyweight title. Not a
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lot of young players in this mix either. By the way,
keep that in mind. Everybody that you had in this
match was relatively except for Logan Paul, he might have
been the youngest star in the whole group. But everybody
else Wall into their forties or near it. That's it.
Brother Three's thirty seven, La Nine's forty one. I think
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Seth Throngs is in his forties, right, seen Us in
his forties, see him Punk Wall in his forties, teetering
towards fifty. Gus already hit him in his forties, right,
They're just older, you see. They want to have up
there no new stars to think about or even to
be considered. I mean, if there are what bron Breaker,
(27:31):
who's just a just a player, a cog in the
wheel of the vision, but he's not being made important.
At one point he was Icy champion multiple times. What
has he done now? He just does spears and he can,
you know, get the crowd to go ahead and start
barking like dogs. That's it. You didn't put bron Breaker
(27:54):
in the storyline here with Roman Range, No, you had
to go and give Bronson read over shoe. Remember they
like trinkets and part of storylines. So bracelets, shoes, proving
you're wrong, raising my hand in victory. These are the
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things of value more than the belts. I'm just repeating myself,
but it needs to be repeated again, all right, And
that's all I gotta say about this. I'm not going
any farther than this, but I was disappointed way too
long of this pay per view. By the way, this
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could have been two and a half hours. It could
almost have been two hours. They did not need to
go ahead go this long. Four hours of this show unacceptable,
the intros for all this year, and I almost timed
it exactly. I had to go ahead and stop. I was,
you know, driving Ruber all day to day watching the
(28:56):
pay per view because in the middle of the day
it's just tough to watch as supposed to watching it night.
And then look after five o'clock, I know they were
going right to the main event, and they were already
it was doing the promo right before they do the introductions,
and I needed to go to the restroom, and I
(29:16):
needed about fifteen minutes to take that break. And by
the time I came back out of the bathroom, they
had just started introducing the participants of the ring. Alicia
Taylor had just started doing intros. Fifteen minutes of intros.
Saw almost times did exactly right. Seem Pump was gonna
take forever to get out there. His song sung Jayu's
so in the eat chance going on and Sethrong's coming
(29:40):
out to his thing. Yeah, I knew it was gonna
take a while. Fifteen minutes for that fifteen minutes, Rumen
Rains and brons Arita come on out. There's no extra
pomp or circumstance necessary. Okay, I'm not necessarily impressed by it.
The drone shots don't care about that either, and the
(30:01):
unnecessary amount of gratuitous advertising, like the French crowd there
in Paris. Yeah, what are they gonna know about Papa
John's and Reodd season and all this other stuff? Is
it gonna even matter? Is we're just here? Oh, don't
worry about this. Listen, we don't care what city we're in.
(30:21):
Here's the Eiffel Tower. That's what we know about Paris.
So we'll put that right there to recognize what's the difference.
But let's picture Redd season right there in the front. Oh,
nothing about on the ropes or the apron Okay, re
Odd season, big huge logo in the middle of the
ring with all these other American sponsors that these French
people will not even care or even notice what that's
(30:41):
all about. Probably won't even have money for it, because
of course we're all out of money. Yeah. Oh, and
by the way, it was a fatal four way match
with an ODQ and somebody asks, why did Becky need
to disguise herself? It's an o DQ match, So she
(31:03):
disguised herself to give the low blow to see him
punk while she had while he had seth wrongs with
go to sleep. And yeah, she had to go ahead
and reveal herself in an o DQ match. Pretty good
point anyways, Okay, well that's how I'm gonna do this
show tonight. That's it. Thanks for listening in Finding Out
(31:24):
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