WWE Bound For Dropping Ratings or Down Under Creative

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Welcome to episode nine hundred and sixty four of the
Wrestlings Are Podcast King of Podcasts here with you. We're
on the heels of Crown Jewel Perth from we that's
this weekend. They're expecting us to go and wake up
eight am on Saturday morning to watch another five show
of pay per view for two and a half hours,
three hours total. That's the plan. That's what they're gonna do.

(01:09):
And it's amazing how little I've talked about the actual
in ring product because there hasn't been much to say.
It's amazing how little and how easy it is going
to follow the product now more than ever. If that's
something that WW wanted to do in the first place,
well they're doing a great job of it.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
This is like.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Color by numbers, thrown the blanks, connect the dots, so simple,
ridiculously simple. And now they're at the point where some
of their storylines don't really have much of anything. It's
whose line is it any way? At match mash Match.
But the other thing too is that even the simplest

(01:53):
of storylines that have gone bad, they're having to go
ahead and do damn control for So after Roman Rains
has his deal losing the Cody Rhodes drops the Universal Championship,
has his fight with the blood Line, that just goes badly,

(02:13):
and no plans for Rouman Rains no whatsoever. Now he's
back together with Jimmy and Jay and now there's more
of a bloodlined tussle trying to recreate and respark that
again as they are dealing with Seth Wrongs and the
Vision and that Paul Hayman wants to go ahead and

(02:34):
reconsider that Seth Wrongs if he loses to Cody Rhodes
at Crown Jewel, that Paul Hayman will have to reconsider
why did he join the Vision and why did he
put his all his marbles behind seth wrongs which never
made much sense anyway except for the favor. So the
favor is starting to run light. Meanwhile, no brock Lesser insight,

(02:57):
no ag of the insight. All that was done for
Russell Palooza is forgotten. So instead of seeing Punk dealing
with Ag and dealing with Seth Ron's Becky Lynch, he's
you know, having little tet of tests with La Knight,
aj Styles Domingo Mysterio. We're not gonna keep that storyline going. No,

(03:20):
we need John Cena to have something to do because
we already ruined that character. We already ruined everything in
Elimination Chamber, one of the best. I mean, what was
the start of a good He'll turn for John Cena.
It could have gone so well, but the execution all
throughout to the point that John Cena had to turn
himself back face. And the fact that you have this

(03:43):
this retirement tour for John Cena. He no longer has
a title belt, you got only a couple dats left.
You don't have a plan for him, and apparently what
we're gonna get at the end of this is aj
Styles gets a match with him and probably Gunther's gonna
be his last match, which is fine, but there was
no plan in place, nothing whatsoever. What a horrible way

(04:07):
to start this hal off. When you had that opportunity
with John Cena, everybody was all big about it. It's
gone flat in his face. The storyline that they really
want to care about is Eo Sky and the kabuki
workers Oscar Carrie Saying and Stefan have a care being
the Wine's World champion and the fact that he's a

(04:28):
Latina world champion and oh she doesn't speak a lot
of English, but she's not the first Latina world champion.
That would be Bailey, but never makes that point. Of course,
they don't say that on the storyline, And it feels
like the real storytelling that's going to be told at
all is it's invasion angle to have going on right

(04:51):
now with NXT and TNA, so it's not even more
about the main roster. Oh we'll just let them go
ahead and do their own thing. Meanwhile, NXT what was
called invasion but of course, remember it was October seventh,
they were going to do it, and they changed it.
The Showdown were smart to make that change a little damage control.
It's negligence. There's some stubbornness in that back room and

(05:15):
the writers room back there. Whatever the unreal series on
Netflix was supposed to be, that's just window dressing because
they on camera acted like they knew what they were doing,
when the fact is that writer's room, that creative area
is I mean, it's ghost town. They don't have anything

(05:35):
going on right at all. And the biggest problem they
have right now was something that yes, the wrestling community
did not know about. And I will say I think
I saw things about this back in January, but I
didn't pay attention too much to it because I mean,
it was a matter of with the ratings, the nails

(05:57):
are ratings, we're going to go through changes. I remember
reading about that because I knew that last year. You
have so much streaming content and so much live sports
on streaming now, but we don't have a really good
gathering of who's watching what because getting the numbers from

(06:19):
the platforms Nielsen's been the tried and true universal standard
by which television ratings matter. And still even though it's streaming,
it is still television. So all these sporting events. When
it comes to the NBA, now, college football, NFL all
on streaming, you're formerly ones. I mean, there's so much

(06:43):
sports now on streaming that you know you need to
have a good idea what's going on. So the format
of streaming now it caters to a different audience, So
the way that ratings would count before, there's a couple
of things that people don't really understand. And let's just
make this clear as well, that the ratings that we're

(07:04):
seeing dropping now so far we've seen from Dynamite, in Collision,
from spack Down. As of this recording right now, we
do not have the NXT ratings as yet, but we
know that the change of ratings has gone on. Where
Dynamite dropped to under four five hundred thousand, SmackDown barely
broke a million viewers. From one point one point four,

(07:26):
Dynamite was getting raw of sub six hundred thousand viewers,
Collision dropping to under three hundred thosand views of tw
hundred and eighty six thousand. I think it is so
Dynamite did get a drop, I mean from what it's
looking like, but the bigger drop is gonna be from
the shows that have more of an audience raw right

(07:47):
now currently is holding into the status of two point
three million viewers worldwide.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
That is.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
The bare minimum audience they can have for a worldwide audience.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
But that's the barrier. So when we talk about what
one point four one point five million viewers was the
basic audience that you would get for sure on money
Net raw when it was well on you say network,
Well in Netflix now you know two point three million viewers.
That's about as low as it gets. And I don't
know what's going to go and stay like that and
how it's going to work. But the thing is the
ratings right now for some of the broadcast partners if NXT,

(08:24):
for instance, if they've been getting seven hundred thousand of
their best six hundred thousand for the most part on
the regular setup, if it drops into the five hundredsand
five hundred and fifty thousand range, if it goes to
dynamite numbers, it's not good for CW. So what we
need to understand is what's going on with the ratings.
If it was anything that was going on that would

(08:46):
have affected what changed there was overall now in the
ratings of this past weekend when it comes to Freed
and Night's backdown game one of the WNB finals hit
the best almost two million viewers, and we're talking about
non news programming. That's it, because everything else is back

(09:09):
down beat. Neilson is doing this because of the live
sports component. Broadcasters need this information for making programming decisions,
purchasing sports rights, and gending the performance of advertising partnerships.
But there are people out there that say this methodology
right now before was outdated and did date into account

(09:31):
viewers of streaming platforms and for the sports industry. They
know that streamers require more rights and more traditional broadcasters
are launching direct to consumer services, so there's more people
online watching content and they need to be able to
go ahead and get the information from that. So when
you think about it, you're looking at the fact that okay,
you have USC no, we're just running the content also

(09:53):
running on Peacock. But I mean, there are not a
lot of people that are watching on Peacock as much
as the r USA network, and there's only a certain
amount that they are watching on USA network, And you're
getting to see a bigger audience as a result, more
from streaming than anything else. But part of it is too,
is that the ratings that are given out for raw

(10:15):
it was gonna be for spackdown and for Dynamite and Collision.
We already learn now that HBO MAX the numbers for
those streaming services are not included into the number that
goes in for aw programming now, so they're going to
be shown lower than it was before in the new system.
But if you're able to go ahead and incorporate the
streaming numbers, their numbers will probably get back to where

(10:37):
they were, and the same thing for respectdown as a
matter of fact, if they're able to show the peacock numbers.
So they also are determining the public viewing data for
businesses like bars and restaurants. So like, if there's places
that are showing programming where they are, those particular devices
are going to get counted to into the methodology. So
we have sporting events at a bar, you know, pick one,

(11:01):
they of course they're gonna have those sporting events on
and the audience that are gonna have for those it's
going to be bigger. There's not a lot of wrestling
shows are in sports bars or other places where people
are gonna watch locally, so you know that's part of
the deal here with this new data. So the data
they're gonna try to get here is a single sort
of truth, allowing for direct comparisons between broadcasters and programming,

(11:21):
aiding transparency. They want to show what the streaming audience
is for all this programming along with the cable and
network programming, what they're watching on a cable box or
watching on rabbit ears. That's what they're trying to get
to now. But what needs to happen now is all
this wrestling programming. They have to go ahead and change

(11:44):
how they program their shows if they want their ratings
to go up, because now they have to go and
figure out what is it that they're gonna do to
make themselves much more interesting out there. And that's the
thing they got to figure out now. In radio, we
had the same thing going several years ago. So Nielsen
is the ratings company that does radio ratings, and we

(12:07):
used to have diaries, so you would have a book
that somebody would go ahead and get and a sample
of so many people in a particular city or a market.
They would document, Okay, here's what I listened to at
this hour, at this hour, at this hour throughout the day,
and that would be the sampling of what's out there.
But then it changed because now we have the Personal

(12:27):
People Meter. We now have a measurement tool like a
little beeper that people carry along with them and it's
actually able to go ahead and hear the sound ways
of what they're listening to. So if they listen to
the radio, they have the radio on, then that device
is going to collect what stations are being picked up.
So the Personal People metering ratings, which goes back a
good fifteen years, that changed everything for all these stations

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because then stations that were running news and talk formats
they went down in numbers because we're not to so much.
And then music formats or other formats were out there
got better ratings. So it changed because it was identifying
what was a different audience out there when you had
more data to work from. That's what's going on now.

(13:14):
I hope that all makes sense and because of the
change they have now that we're seeing the difference. So
the NBA getting more viewers because you have a lot
of people streaming on it as well. Same thing goes
when you're looking at the ratings for number twov like
to say, on Thursdays, well, you're not gonna get too
much of what the audience is going to be of

(13:35):
television network TV right now because there's not a lot
of sports right now anyway. But once it comes up,
you're gonna find out. But like even now, we don't
have a lot of new shows that have come back
in yet. But right now, the particular viewership for all
these shows it's you know, no more than form million
viewers right now across the board. But if you look
at on cable, you know you have, for instance, Major

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League based as Wild Card Game with the Red Sox
and Yankees, which was on Thursday night last week almost
eight million viewers. And then anything else that would be
your regular scripted programming that you see across the board,
and you used to get bigger viewerships Real Housewives of
Orange County of Miami, the English Teacher on FX, they're

(14:20):
not getting the kind of ratings they used to, and
everything else on cable is all news programming that's getting
the ratings for the most part. But you're going to
see that the ratings across the board, they're all changing
now because of what's happening here. That the ratings are
changing because more sports is going to get more of
an audience period wrestle nomics to Brandon Thurston put a

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whole thing about this earlier in the week, And when
you look at the ratings now, all the programming has
gone down because you can see the difference in news
programming going up. It got a tick up for Sports
Live Sports for Coming it went up. You can see
there's some changes to that. But for instance, the first

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episode of All the Wrestling on the new format and
this new ratings methodology dropped thirteen percent on Wednesday nights
and dropped five percent on Saturday nights, and after an
Addict smack Down, also dropped a good what ten percent
or so on Friday nights. It's all the changes that

(15:29):
have been made now. Both networks have been reacting to
the changes that are going on right now with these
wrestling ratings. So this new method of ratings calculations have
shown a sharp drop of viewership for both the w
and AW over the past week. According to the new
report from Fiful, Select and wrestling companies are gonna be

(15:51):
the ones that are going to be losing the most
from it, which is already being aware. Tony Kahn, AW
president is aware of those changes and how they work
thanks to this past for stats, so he will be
adempt at what they mean and how to combat them,
he says, and AW is being some against the HBO
Max view figures are still kept under wraps. When asked

(16:13):
from a source from W from Warner Brothers Discovery, they
believe it's too early to suggest anything is disamble. Size
is too small and that both the AWNW were both
affected by many league baseball games that happen this week
and yeah, the playoffs you are all started up. Baseball
is one of the few sports right now is actually
benefit of this method college football NFL. But Warner Brothers Discovery,

(16:33):
they still believe that they need to see a stronger
pattern emerge before any real changes need to be made.
But now one benefit for AW is they've seen that
the fast national data, the overnight numbers are that they're
extinct now the initial numbers released now are giving an
indication the how the show performed. But the reason for

(16:55):
this was because it as an extra a day of
delay to get the Nielson numbers. So the we method
of providing aw's fast national data the members of the
media is the number one was low. Can no longer
be done because there's no longer that representation, and for
w's side, a contact at USN Network told five Fule
that change is being discussed. It could mean that wrestling

(17:16):
isn't as hot as what many people have originally believed.
They're against the idea that the panel data method overestimated
the viewing patterns of wrestling fans and the data they
have analyzed in recent years shows no real need to
be concerned right now. Usage contact also clarified that wrestling
has given them a returnal investment for very low costs
over the past few decades, which is why they still

(17:37):
do business with them, and it doesn't look like to
be changing anytime soon. They try to get fightful, try
to talk to the folks at CW, but they're happy
with how NXT is performing as their highest rated program.
Firefell also reported that there for the talent that's out
there for that they've experienced more adjustments to their schedules
than usual, but it has largely unaffected that. Now there

(18:00):
have been changes they're talking about right now with what
will happen with SmackDown because of the effect of the ratings,
they have to go and do something the kind of
bolster of the ratings back up and get them back
to where they were. So bodyslam dot Net says that
SmackDown's gonna be onboarding on an undisclosed amount of new
writers and the anticipation for more enticing storylines come twenty

(18:22):
twenty six. Roade Dog Jesse James will reportedly remain the
co captain of the smackdwn's create a Vessel alongside cohead
writer John Spacata, and the additions are supposed to be
making the show more enjoyable in their future, and there's
been a lot of people that have been going after
SmackDown because of audience criticism. W and TKO are where

(18:48):
they need to boost their show's quality heading up to
twenty twenty six despite record profits this year. So listen
with all this, it should tell people that you need
to be aware that all the wrestling shows need to
do something more to bring back compelling content and the

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live component that all these shows have need to be
utilized much stronger. So you just can't put matches out
there and expect people to watch. You have to have
something that's anticipation that is catching people off guard. Can't
just be pops anymore. You have to have cliffhangers. You
have to have storylines that keep people hooked and you

(19:31):
have them falling along and people have a way to
go ahead and follow those storylines if they kind of
miss something. You have to start paying attention to more
to the TV audience. You got to give them something
more than just a simple storyline and a match. They
want more, and so for the fans out there that
would watch wrestling, it's too simplified. It's time to start

(19:52):
creating more complexity to all these dimensions of characters and
to the storylines they're in, because you got to give
these people invested interest, and that's what has to happen.
You've got to make it appointment television again. Somehow make
it must see. It's not really possible to do so
much dCas, but you could probably do things right now

(20:13):
to get some of the audience back, because there's still
a wrestling fan base out there. If you put the
right product out there, and it goes for both of
those brands, and it will go for TNA once they
get themselves on a TV deal, onto an actual platform
that's not access and something a little bit more significant.
There is one notable story I want to bring up
when it comes to creative and what's going on right

(20:35):
now with the setup of what they're doing in w
right now with the stars that they have. Santos Escobar
his contract expired. Now there have been some conflicting reports
saying that he resigned, but know what we're hearing right
now is that Santa's Escobar is not returning to the
we Okay. According to Feifel, select I got all the

(20:59):
Fantasma member say to this. Cabar could be on his
way out. His contract is coming up soon and he
was discussed discussing would to be a new deal, but
not make confirmed in the suicide on any kind of discussion.
But apparently he was not going to be signing a
new deal because he's what was more involved, more because

(21:22):
here with creative dissatisfaction than it was about money. Because
of what his utilization has been as part of the Gatto,
the La Tasma and being kind of as a side
as almost like a manager character for Los Garza and
tabill At and what they've been doing on TV. There
has been much there, like you know that bulk of

(21:42):
that group of Legato is kind of like you know
already kind of split all up. All I'm gonna say
is this, I enjoyed King Querno and Lujah Underground. I
thought he was great, and I you know, that's one
of the things I remember of how good a character
he was. You took the mask off of him, and

(22:03):
you know, you had to go ahead and start over again,
like you had to go and do something really different. Yeah,
King Cornot, you're not gonna use that character, and America Wrestling,
for the most part, you're not gonna see it because
that's a Lutra Libri character through and through, and so
he absolutely works on Mexican wrestling, but they couldn't bring
him in here, and they were trying to do, you know,
something with a conflicting character with Tony DiAngelo, which, by

(22:25):
the way, do you ever see him at all? Is
he injured? I forget now. I don't remember what's going
on with him, but the whole struggling with him and
the whole you know, the family, I don't know. I
haven't seen much of them at all. Same thing with
like you know, there's there are all these interfactions they
had and characters they had around and you don't see anymore.
You don't see change University anything like that. There's a

(22:47):
lot of changes, So Santo Diisco are going away. I
don't know if you bring it back in into another
and it's another character without a mask. I would like
to think that Santo Zulka Bart will go back under
a mask again and go work wherever and just go
back into it. If you can go back to King
Querno bring that back, I'd love it. It would be great.

(23:08):
And person I already said out there, I hope he
gets to go to an MLW ring at some point
and brings that character back just to go join Caesars,
Duran and all that group over there, because that would
be really fun. That's my point about it. Comments that
came out this week for the program, I want to
take a couple of them real quick, because're gonna talk
about the nxt TNA showdown that happened this week, and
then we'll get into the Crown Jewel stuff and all

(23:30):
the matches are kind of leaning up to Perth, Australia
coming up on Saturday morning. I will not be awake
for that. That is way too early for me. I'll
catch you somewhere after the fact.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
I know that.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
So I got a comment from my program from C
Jay Jones, and he writes, it's obvious you don't know
or understand talent development. What has happened, though, is TNA
has volunteered itself to be my to be a monor
of league promotion, which is okay, but it's not a

(24:04):
top tier major in no shape or form now. But
I'm very excited about this recent move. It only makes
wrestling better. A drawback is the actual style of wrestling
will become common. I mean, I don't know where the
whole statement is saying that I obvious that I don't
know about talent development. That's not for me to go ahead.
Know my point is. And there's another comment that came

(24:27):
up on the TikTok feed saying that Trick Williams and
Javon Evans when I said, isn't he gonna anybody gonna
make that main roster? Because there's a ceiling right now
in the NXT and a dynamic that they have where
NXT is there supposedly as a developmental system, but it
hasn't been that way. It's been its own standalone because
it keeps going back to that because Triple H and
whoever is running down there doesn't want to make a

(24:49):
developmental system. It's just not And who would they being
brought up from developmental in NXT up to the main roster.
They struggled a lot because that I had much to
work with, and they might have characters they had down
in NXT. They're not being brought up to the main
roster with them. They're kind of getting stripped down. So

(25:10):
they're saying that Trick Williams, Javon Evans, those are two
guys that will probably make their way up. Well, I
mean they're already kind of being featured up there right now.
Javon Evans already gets matches wherever, just throw them on
TV just to get him out there. Because he is
quite the athlete. We know that, But how much of
a storyline does we have about him? I mean the
or of a character about him. So there's that part.
Then he talks about the fact that he says that

(25:31):
TENA has volunteered itself to be a mind of league promotion. No, no,
I don't understand what even means. TNA's not a minor
league promotion. They're not They're not a developmental system, because
I don't think that going to TNA is I mean,
you're taking a step down because of the pay and

(25:52):
the resources that they have, but I don't think it
will be anything more than that now Carlo Silva, I
guess because of the change in management over there for Anthem,
it's a different story as well. I mean, Scott the Moore,
I don't think I ever looked at TNA as being
minor league. I never thought about it like that either.
I mean, if you're gonna be intelligien to any of

(26:13):
these products, whether it's NWA or MLW, those are major leagues.
They're not minor leagues. GCW, I wouldn't even coount as
a minor league system. Like there are regional promotions, those
are minor leagues. But the ones I just mentioned right there, WWAW, MLW,

(26:40):
TNA and NWA are all national promotions. They all have
national prominence, so I don't see them as minor league.
I completely disagree with that. Carlo Silva, leading up to
Bound for Glory has been out there talking for a
little bit right now. Carlo Silva speaking with Off the

(27:01):
Ropes with Jonathan Coachman. He says that if young TNA
talent want to go to w W, will help them
get there, TNA's an interesting platform because we can bring
and provide a new platform for legends that have already
been in the game for ten to fifteen years plus.
But then we can also help them bring in on
the young talent and listen to what they're saying here. Okay,

(27:22):
So for CJ. Jones here to call this, you know,
a minor of dy promotion or talent development. The thing
is that Carloslova is saying they'll do talent development for
these stars that are not getting over in NX here
w okay, because here's what he says here. Look is
that talent at times gonna leave. Is that talent gonna

(27:46):
want to go to w if they're younger talent? They
are and I've said and I said it in our
Nick memothan those gifts this that I will be the
person that will help them as well. If that's the path,
that is great. I also know they're going to continue
to support in TNA and maybe come back to tena
some date to continue creating this engine. And that's how
we're going to get to operate. So it's a point

(28:08):
of saying that he will go ahead and work with
young talents so they can go to W if that's
what they want to do, he'll help them get there.
But it's not developmental, it's not matterly because they're taking
talent that's been around. They are in a system where
they are what's an old school promotion does veteran talent

(28:29):
with up and comers. It's what you do to bring
forward to the forefront stars that are gonna be brought up.
Because a far as I'm concerned, just because we will
take in TNA talent like they've done over the years
and not put them on the marine roster, that's just
because w has just done like that. Anyway, look at

(28:50):
how many WCW stars would not make it that that
main roster unless you are of a certain caliber, is
you were marketable right away, then they would put you up.
There only a few examples that would get to that point,
but for the most part they always put everyone else underneath.
The w B is inferior. So maybe you think that
anything that is not w talent is inferior because they're

(29:13):
not there. Okay, fine, there's a lot of people that
think that way, but I don't, and I never thought
of TNA is that way. He says it that this
reason move only makes wrestling better, but the actual style
of wrestling will be much much more common. So we
want to see w style being interjected into what TNA

(29:38):
and Tribal A are doing. No, but they're doing that anyway. Oh,
you think that was really good that during the Showdown event,
the Saviroers serious type event. Oh, that the men came
away with a win and the women didn't. And you
think because the Hardies are TNA stars, you know, TET

(30:00):
that they got to be the NXT Tag team champions
over dark Side. Okay, and now the tag team titnels
NXT and TNA will be defended in the ladder match
against the Dudley's at Bound for Glory. So they made
that match set up like that, But otherwise you still
got Killanny Jordan Trick Williams that are their respective champions

(30:22):
on the of the TNA brand. And I'm just saying
to myself, is that really what TNA wanted to do.
I don't think they wanted to make themselves a developmental
system for w because NXT already has that system. There
was never a need for NXT to be in place

(30:43):
as the third brand just because people feel like, well,
there's that we could give us an Indie field type promotion. Okay,
we didn't need a whole roster to go and do that.
I mean, has it really brought in any money? I
mean it's parting to bring in money because you know,
Nick con and the TKO folks had done a good

(31:05):
job of taking whatever is under the umbrella the auspices
of W and they've made it where like any programming
is gonna make a broadcaster salivate and say, oh I
need to have that programming. How much is gonna cost?
I mean for the NXDB on CW. Hey, they got

(31:25):
a bump it from what USA was paying for it.
And does it bring a decent audience? Yeah? But how
often did they have to bring in main roster town
to go ahead and bolster things up and Lisa some
former main roster talent down there? They basically do what
t and AN was doing for the longest time. And

(31:47):
that's been going on ever since the Tuesday Night Wars.
They've always had to go and introject some main of
it talent down there. It's never been regular like there
was a change after the Tuesday Wars. We went to
the Rainbow brand where Vince and Bruce were taking things over,
and they really did try to go and make that
more of a developmental system. But then when Vince went away,

(32:07):
the Rainbow Band went away too. But Triple H it's
apparent he doesn't want to do any kind of developmental system.
What he wants territories. What he's doing right now is
creating a territory system, a territory system that is not
where you have different territories with different styles and different

(32:29):
characters and a different promotion altogether. No, he's not doing
that at all. He's trying to go ahead and control
those promotions because you have W in those buildings. So
then W is going to dictate the terms of what's
going to happen. Oh, you were doing this partnership and
we're going to be in a TENA event, Well, then

(32:52):
our stars are going to be on top. Therefore, they
have let JC Jane and Colonnie Jordan be their women's
knockouts champion. Trick Williams has been for many months now.
The world haveweight champion in TNA. Do they plan they're
gonna do anything where those belts are gonna be swapped

(33:12):
over coming out? Probably not. Is there a chance that
the ex Division title will change hands from Leon Slator. Yes,
I said it. I believe all three belts will be
held by w or NXT contracted talent. So it's a
territory system where it's like the NWA, but it's like, okay,

(33:35):
so the NWA has their set champions and they're gonna
instill those champions onto those brands regardless what TNA wants.
So all the TENA stars that might be there, we
looked by the by the wayside, but they think, oh well,
Mike Santana is gonna get a chance to be in
there with Trick Williams, and that's gonna help bolster them up.

(33:56):
I mean, Mike Santana is not a rookie wrestler, Okay.
What he is is, you know, many years working in
a tag team and it's transitioning out into a solo star.
So it's not like he's starting over. The gay's got
years and years of experience out there and anybody else
holding on to him can make him a star. But
is it a story over here? The point is now

(34:20):
is that you're dealing with what w wants, what's best
for them, So it's a selfish point. What is going
into Bound for Glory coming up, So that's what they
care about over there. So for anyone to think that
they're getting a lot out of all this, listen, the
only reason that Teena's allowing themselves to go through this

(34:41):
because Triple A got bought out. So whatever happens to
Triple A is going to get changed. And I regardless
of what Conan has said, they're not going to change anything.
Yes they are. They will eventually do it because they
own it and they are able to do that. They're
entitled to do it because they bought the company right out,
or at least have the bulk of the ownership. However,

(35:03):
that deal is going down. I also saw this earlier
that today the Hardy Boys twenty four years ago today
won the WCW Tag team titles. Again. This is when
I left stopped watching anything ws W because you know,
it was after WCW folded and I was like, I
completely lost interest in wrestling. I didn't want to watch,

(35:26):
and they beat Harlem Heat by the way, the Hardies
would be Harlem Heat to be the new tag team
champs at that time. The most important thing right now
for Carlos Silva, teen A President is the TV deal,
and he was asked about this on Busting Open Radio
on the Off the Rope Show with Jonathan Coach Butt Nicknamath.

(35:46):
So now here is what he said when it comes
to the TV deal for TEENA, which is the only
reason that TEENA is allowing themselves to be subjected to
the kind of gross booking over the talent they have
being looked over. All their TEENA talent is kind of
being looked over in the process. I mean the fact

(36:07):
that you have Colinnie Jordan running the TNA team for
the showdown event that it had. I mean, it's the
thing is it's just that, I mean, TEENA might be there,
but it's not a teen It's not a TEENA that
we started with at the start of the year at Genesis,
where it's not like that kind of organization anymore. Like
the Bound for Glory event we saw last year compared

(36:29):
to this year is completely different, completely different altogether. So
here's Carlos Silva talking about what's going on with the
TV deal, which is the most important thing because all
that matters to Carlo Silva is if we're going through
all this, let's make sure we get the TV deal,
because that was all we're here for so where are
we at right now on a potential streaming deal or
a potential television deal.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
So yeah, I won in the same in today's world
for sure. It doesn't really matter, you know, it's it's
the same place we were last week. I sort of
made some statements on a couple of uh, you know
platforms that we are literally every single day. In fact,
I had a call on Monday and uh, we're working

(37:10):
with lawyers to get the deal together. So I feel
good about it. It's moving forward and we're gonna we're
gonna get a deal done and we're gonna be on
a new platform in twenty twenty six. And uh uh
it's you know, like everything. I can't really talk about
it yet un till the i's are dotted and the t'sercross.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
So they're probably not gonna have an announcement by Bound
for Glory, but without the wait. But there's no rush
for them Crely. It's just that while they're working with
W right now, the partnership, you know, they need to
make sure that partnership is still beneficial for the W
because that's what they care about. I mean, for Tema,

(37:50):
the fact that w's gonna get them out to broker
a deal. I mean some of the lawyers. He's talking
about CEA, which is Tony between Nick cons for Outfits,
of which he ran the sports portion of the agency,
you know for many years before joining we eventually to
be the president and CEO. So now in this whole setup,

(38:14):
Carlo Silva is going to go along with whatever WW
wants to do with TNA. It's like, basically, it's your playtoy.
WW can do whatever they want at Bound for Gloria
they want, They're going to have the run of the mill.
Carlo Silva will continue to go ahead and play along
because they need to make more money off of a

(38:35):
new television deal, because they don't want to go to
stick on their own platform access because their own properties
at Anthem Entertainment are not enough. They need to go
and outgrow. They're already outgrowing themselves now by finally getting
back to the level of attendance figures that they had
before where they can go on the road and do
TV tapings and do pay per views and get a

(38:55):
crowd because they even know they do that now, and
of course with Debrie that's done. But ultimately the crowds
and what they're doing that's not gonna be enough. They
need the weekly television revenue. So they're hoping that this
deal is going to be broken right now with the
folks that w is commissioned through CAAA to get the
broadcast deal done, streaming television, whatever it's going to be,

(39:20):
so that t ANDA can now finally get back to
weekly television revenue. But at the end of the day,
unlike the commentator that said before that I reference to
this is not amount of league promotion, their national promotion.
They're global promotion, to be a matter of fact, because
they have global deals all they have broadcast deals all
around the country, all around the world. They have a

(39:41):
big Canada deal that sports that they have deals to
broadcaster content worldwide with various countries. They've had that, but
this deal in America to get this done, that's what
they want to be able to get done with. For
the most part, however that can be. And so NXT,

(40:03):
you know, I mean for TNA, I'm just not very
excited for Bound for Glory coming up. And you could
tell that the we has done their own thing when
it comes to this show, because that's how they're going
to do it. For Bound for Glory coming up next week.
We'll do the post show here for it. Right, but
the show they have, it's not the major big card

(40:25):
they had before. You got a number of matches that
will probably not be going on during the main show.
They'll probably put in the post show or the pow
excuse me, but so far the oscillator Javon Evans for
the Exhibsion title. I can see Javon Evans with what
they've been doing with him right now booking on TV.
He's been so close to winning that Javon Evans could

(40:45):
take this title here and they'll do it. They can
pull the trigger for Javon Evans. I can see them happening.
The Inspiration which is a former talent. Of course, W
doesn't mind having the Inspiration being put in there over Elegance,
which is TNA talent, primarily because they never were on

(41:06):
any the W proct. Because we're not talking about Dennet Brook,
who's not out there. This is the other groups in
the Elegance brand. They have added gm Miller in Testablancher,
which is called Gmiller the the backstage Reporter now and
her feud with Testa Blancher culminating at Bound for Glory.

(41:27):
Is they're going to do that coming up. That shouldn't
be a long match, and who knows, Testablach will probably
take a loss there too. I'm sure that with w
they don't really care about this match. They're just gonna say, well,
you know, with everything that happened with Testablation in the past,
she's never really paid restitution for it publicly. You know,

(41:50):
social media is still going after for her comments and
she's never gonna be let theo and nobody's gonna ever
forgive her for that. So that's it. The energineter har
hard Care. That's all TNA talent, But that's their match.
If there's gonna be anything, that's truly all TENA talent overall.

(42:11):
Cloney Jordan, Indy Hartwell now Knockout's World title, Indy Hartwell
relatively new to the TNA brand, and Colonie Jordan you
know from NXT holding this title belt. Hardy and T
three D who have been in both promotions all over
the place. So for the Hardy's here now, the NXT
and the TNA World Tag Team titles all on the line.

(42:33):
One final table that will be a big match. The
half of the night, probably the match before the main event.
Who knows, I mean maybe you know. My question is
do you go with your Williams Mike Santana and at
the world title match at the end of the night,
can that be the main event? I don't think it can.
I think One Final Temple becomes that main event match,

(42:55):
mark my words. I expect One Final Table to probably
close out the night. Expect Trick Williams Mike Santana. That
will not be the end of the night, unless if
we're getting that match at the end of the night,
then Mike Santana. I don't know they're gonna do something big,
but I think Trick Williams will retain and someone else
will come in to face Trick Williams and they'll be
the next opponent. But I don't expect anything where Mike

(43:21):
Santanna becomes TNA World Haway Champion and it's not against him.
I just don't think that w's booking is going to
allow it. That's not in the plans. Like there's matches
in here that are put in here because TNA this
is their talent. Okay, Freaki Gazarian, Steve Macklin, Inter National
title that's just the full TEENA match probably won't be
looked at in high regard, especially from the supposed w

(43:44):
fans that'll be watching the Bound for Glory show doing
the streaming now like they did for Victory Road. Because
I have this new thing where all these Twitch streamers
are kind of getting incentivized to watch TNA and do
the same kind of stuff they do for w Right
that we're gonna see a lot of that coming up.
So for Bown for Glory, you know t and A,
you know long timers like myself watching this two thousand
and five, yeah, or watching this Fox Sports Net, then

(44:06):
you're guess se what's gonna happen with that? It's all
gonna get changed.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Watch.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
So now I should can finally go ahead talk about
Crown Jewel coming up this weekend and get to that part.
I'm also gonna about the Smashing Machine in Wayne Johnson
because I did watch that movie all the weekend. I'll
tell you about that in a moment before wrap things up.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
But we have.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
CHAMPI versus Champion Cody Ross and seth Rowns singles matched
with the Crown Jewel Championship. Again, it's a ring, right,
that's all matters, Stephany Faker, Timothy Stratton, Chami versus A Champion,
Johnson to HG Styles, re Ripplet, EO Sky versus Kabuki Warriors,
which we know there's a lot being said about that
match because of the fact that EO Sky Kabuki Warriors

(44:48):
have been the most compelling storyline there is. Yeah, and
that's it. And then Roman rains Bronson read Australian Street
Fight and I guess what comes up with the street
fighter movies coming up in Roman range will be off
and going. And also he's been playing I've been hurt
as well. But what they've been doing to lead up
the Crown Jewel Perth coming out, you know, I mean,

(45:10):
it's like I've not been impressed by it. It's just
kind of been there. By the way, a number of
things that people keep pointing out on social media, they're
always fascinating. Judgment Day are now w Tag Team Champions
for one hundred days. The only defended them once in
one hundred days. Shout out Wrestle Features for saying that.

(45:32):
Comments about Seth Wrongs and Paul Hayman, somebody says here,
this's talk between Paul Hayman and Seth Throngs, along with
those incredible video packages just sold me on Cody Ross
and Seth Browns four. They kept the story beautifully simple.
Seth Wrongs cannot be the best until he beats Cody Rhodes.
Everything is accomplished, means nothing unless he gets that win,
and if he doesn't, he risks losing the respect of

(45:54):
the locker room, the Vision Group be cultivated, and maybe
even Paul Hayman himself. That's how you build a match.
No one cares about a meaningless ring. People care about staks,
and these are high stakes. A lost of wrongs could
literally be the difference between a legendary career or a
mediocre one. So more than anything in the world that
he needs this win. It's all or nothing of Crown Jewel.
Fantastic struff from tonight. This episode really excelled in the

(46:16):
storytelling department. Right, No, I disagree completely with all that. Okay,
but we're still trying to say that it's the matter
of what does he really lose the Crown Jewel Championship
and the fact that he needs to go ahead and
worry about Cody Rhodes. No, it doesn't matter, He's a champion.

(46:42):
Himself right now, he has the vision. I thought Cody
Roses is you know, rearview mirror. They had the cage match,
Cody rose to the Torn Peck. We already had all that,
We already had their feud. You're doing this few because
of what? Because this Crown Jewels show has to have
all this talent on board. So all the champions at

(47:03):
the Guns show up and face each other, and you're
gonna make it where the vision, which is what not
even six months old? Not even that right? And by
the way, so Seth Wrongs is the one to accomplished
something because he had the cash and he's already done
what he wants. He's already on top. So Paul Hayman,

(47:25):
because Seth Wrongs might lose to Cody Rhodes, even though
he's not gonna lose his world heavily title, you're telling
me this is gonna upset Paul Hayman and say, oh,
I'm gonna, you know, suck and guess why I decide
to go and leave Roman reigns. I mean, no, that
does not make sense. Seth Wrongs really loses nothing. It's

(47:48):
he loses the announce of pride.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
You want to just call it that, fine, but don't
tell me this is really excelling in the storytelling department.
Fantastic stuff. Absolutely not, absolutely not.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
Oo.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
You know some people, man, I'm just surprised about that.
But okay. Also this week, Max Dupre ditching the Dupre
gimmick becoming l A Knight, and somebody's saying, what a
fantastic decision. I mean, look, fine, if Ella Knight wants
to go back to this original character, fine, he wants
to go back to an Eli Drake type character, which
is what he's creating now and debrief for the last

(48:26):
three years. Good for him. Yeah, I guess it's moved
on because as long as Triple Ah is there, he'll
use them like he wants to use them. And that's it.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Now.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
The other thing they're talking about is from Mony Night Raw,
where Roman Rains and the usso's are backstage. Another story
that's being brought up here where okay, they're not even
they're not even a Crown jewel. Roman Rains is taking
on Broxton Read in Australian Street Fight. Lusos don't have
a match on the pay per view, but now we

(48:58):
have to bring Jay, Jimmy and Roman together to restore
some kind of bloodline drama that we had the sibling
rivalry from before, so they were rekindling it here. This
is how they did it for no reasons.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
So start sweating that, Uples, what's up? What are you
doing here trying to fact? Why is you out there
with me? I'm trying to go in the playoffs, trying
to handle business. Hey hey, I'm trying to get this
world anyway championship. Now you got some tag match you
you're trying to protect Pulp. Are you protecting Punpo? You

(49:35):
better recognize what Sacho ow the Nightles.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
You better know what Sajo owned the Nightles.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
All right, Oh, there's not much that Jay had to
work with right there. Jesusa was already worldaweight champion for
a short time, so for him to try to get
that belt back. I get that part. And then we
get to Roman and Jimmy talking to each other.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
Okay, okay, on your side, Bright, I'm on your man.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
You know this, you know what got him all the time.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
Maybe, but you know what, man, you said, you seeing
here everything loose soda line, and I see what's going on.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
I see you over there pulling your strings. Man, messing.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
What is mental?

Speaker 3 (50:15):
You've got them think in a certain way that he
don't need to go down on.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
So I need you to accept this. I'm not like you.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Jay is nothing like you.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
Now.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
The thing is, is that Roman getting himself back more
into his hill persona more as a tribal chief, head
of the table. They should have done that. I mean
right now, he lacks any kind of bite as the face.
It doesn't work. So they're recconting things. They had to
go ahead and do a little spin to try to

(50:48):
get this kind of storyline back up and working again.
So I give him credit on that. They gotta do
something because it's just so flat right now. The blood line,
the new blood line flat. Okay, now, solo thing. He's
gonna come back at some point. But that whole NFT
thing done, MFT whatever it's called. I'm sorry, you gotta

(51:08):
be confused with NFT and MFT non flegible tokens and
you know, MS tribe whatever. So the thing is sols
and that whole crew that was, you know, death fell
flat with Tonga this Tonga that Toah, this TOA that done.

(51:31):
So now we're gonna go and focus back on Jay
and Jimmy back together working with each other against the
Vision and then putting Roman back into place doing what
he used to do with Juso back in twenty twenty
that main event. Jusa was the next in line, he

(51:53):
was supposed to be the next trivel chief, so putting
that back in doesn't make any sense either, because Roman
rings there's power right now that bloodline either, so why
are we doing that again?

Speaker 3 (52:04):
So?

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I mean, the thing is that Roman's saying, Okay, he
wants to get jay Uso to get back and focus
once again on the World Heavyweight title so we can
get back to things, and then probably there's some point
where jay Usso gets that belt back and then Roman
Reigns will find his way back to getting that belt
with himself, whatever it is. But Roman Reigns, you know,

(52:25):
that will a falla the deal with having a championship
once again and doing this with no wise man and
Paul Hammond who cares about that. The thing is, so
they're gonna put the blood Line up against the Vision.

(52:45):
I got that. Okay, that's fine. But Roman now going
back to jay Uso and manipulating him again, Fine, that's
going to do that. But I finally started hearing Roman
Reigns the way I want to hear him. Wanted to
hear him again, back in a form where you know
he's got stones.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
I know you're not hearing me right now, but you
should listen to this. When your brother won that World
Heavyweight championship, he became more like me and less like you.
And if you really want to help you brother, sometimes

(53:32):
you just need to get out of his way.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
I with me works, so Roman seeing power coming back
through j that's a fine storyline with me. I got
a problem with that. But who are we getting with this?
After all? This is Sun done. That's the whole point,
and the thing is with Jay. Okay, we're putting this
as a part of the focus of the program, but look,
De's not involved in any title matches coming up right now,

(54:01):
and as far as I know, I guess the Viders
was gonna be coming up and will have probably bloodline
envisions going up against each other as the main men
men's four four five on five match, and that's fine.
So that's when they got set up as well. Also,
the women's US title. Since it was introduced earlier this year,

(54:23):
it has not been defended on a single premium live event.
Now we know that the intercontinent inter continent hill thought
has been defended because you had Bailey and Becky Lynch
and they're making a big deal about Lary Vicaria. And
now they're talking about Lery Vicaria is gonna be made
a bigger main event star. Oh boy, good luck with that.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Man.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
They're gonna try to make her a main event star
next year. Boy, good luck with that. Another comment that
was out here the cost of City Front Road WrestleMania.
At WrestleMania thirty of the price of a front Road
ticket was two thousand do rest of Mandy thirty nine
sixteen thousand dollars and only three years later forty two thousand,

(55:07):
two hundred and nineteen dollars. And the person writes here
literally a down payment for a house. Amazing. So Saturday
night are probably going to do a post show going
up when it comes to Crown Jewel Perth. We'll talk
about it for a few minutes. I'll bring it a
back to the fact, but I'll wait till later on
the night, you know, when I get home. But I'm

(55:29):
not gonna be necessarily talking about it, you know immediately after. No,
I don't know how's good, I'm gonna do that. It's
like whatever. So keep in mind everything going on and
now in the current role of Raw, Roman Rain Is
coming out, accepting Get Talent for Big Bronze and Red
for Saturday, Seeing Punk coming back, and Ellie Knight and
ju So are all now sticking claim for the World

(55:51):
Heavyweight title. You have the continuation of Oscar Kyrie seeing
with El Sky and Ree Ripley, Billy and Leerovic Area
continuing on their whole deal with Billy turning into one
side to the other, and seth Rawlins and Paul Himan
dealing with the whole deal with Crown Jewel coming up
it and then when it came to NXT last night,

(56:15):
Matt Cardona is going to challenge Josh Briggs to a match.
Why that's gonna matter? Lexis King confronting Eli Hill the
Wagner Junior, So obviously the setup of Trivia A coming
up with the match between those two most likely. Blake Monroe,
after getting done with Jordan Grace, now is dealing with
Ruka Azaria and NXT Women's Championship Number one Contenders match.

(56:41):
Condador's Battle Royal includes a te and and a Lackhou's division.
They're gonna have set up coming up for next week
on X Team. That's the setup. But so far Crown
Jewel Bound for Glory is coming up Crown Jewel this weekend.
If I got to get you know, any predictions at all,
like it really matters. I expect That'th Wrongs to beat

(57:02):
Cody Rhodes. Doesn't matter, Steven if a care will beat
Tiffany Stratten because it doesn't matter. Johnson will be a
g styles. I expect Kubuki Warriors to beat Rhea Ripley
and Yo Sky, and I expect Roman Rings and Bronson Reid.
By the way, we're gonna get another Roman Raines Bronson refight.
Look who asked for this right here?

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
I am not impressed by that at all, but hey,
this is their their choice that is not going to
do it. I was like, okay, another Roman Raines Bronson rematch.
I didn't know anybody who was asking for that or
clamoring for it. But you know, they think big Bronson
reads like a big start is thinking almost forty years old.
But either which way, this is what they planned for.

(57:47):
So I will do a post show for Crown Joel
coming up this weekend. By the way, I'm in a
joint mlw FI. Atland was great, Slaughterhouse was great. Loved it,
bluve it, love it. That's where the wrestling is gonna
really act for me. Anyway, come back to another wrestling
her pocket this weekend, because wrestling needs us

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