WWE Fixed on Crushing Competition and Fueling Toxic Fandom

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W fans be like, I'm addicted to you. Don't you
know that you're toxic? And I love what you do?
Don't you know that you're toxic? WHOA isn't a name
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I really want to make sense of those that are
out here trying to justify and defend to the death
of de wre right now on how well things are
going and why they need to feel like they need
to do the same pettiness as they management at the
very top of creative and the day to day programming
is doing right. The wrestling portion of the contingency that

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runs w in the regular basis because it passes itself
down from Triple H, Paul Hayman and the others down
to the jugital delusional fandom out here behind your Twitch streams,
behind your podcasts and other places. Okay, and you feel
the need to take from their initiative, take the baton,

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run with it, and bash AW and go after AW
just like the company's doing. I mean, I don't know, man,
I mean corporations. I know they don't like competition. That's
been very obvious. And I know that with Vince McMahon,
the original idea was that he doesn't want to have
anybody to be his competition. That's understood. I know most

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companies don't want to have competition, but you will. And
the thing is by letting AW get under your skin
and by doing what you have to do. Ever since
they first formed, the idea is, well, we're gonna just
keep going after this company and we're gonna just keep
throwing land mines and mortars and all this other weaponry

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against them to try to keep stunting their growth. And
it doesn't do any good. This company does not deserve AW,
does not deserve to be recognized at such a high level.
You're letting it get to you and the fans. You're
letting it get to you as well. Why do you

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love having AW as a punching bag. I mean, it
doesn't make any sense to me, and I lived during WCW. Look,
we had a lot of competition before, and just because
vismcmahon was successful twice by being able to eliminate this competition. Okay,
that doesn't mean anybody else can do what Vince bick
Band's done. I'm sorry, and it cannot be replicated by

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anybody else but the Madman himself. Okay, the remaster of self.
Vinstrick Band was able to do it twice, taking his
father's company, Capital Wrestling, turning it national in the eighties
and basically wiping out any NWA territory possible, causing the
likes of the NWA itself to falter, to then be

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bought up by Jim Crockett. And then you had AWA
and UWF and Mid South and all these other organizations
that were around before that they got dried up, and
all the talent that was in these other organizations they
fled to go to WF, the World Rustling Federation. Then

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the nineties you get out of the corporation coming into play,
where Ted Turner enjoyed wrestling so much and Jim Crockett
couldn't hold onto the company anymore because they couldn't take
the heat of going up against the World Wrestling Federation.
Ted Turner takes it over and then he finds someone
who actually can operate it with. Eric Bischoff, finds something

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that works, and then WCW gives a good run for
the money and for a good five years. The bf
to W had to make significant changes to their own
livelihood in order to go ahead and counteract because it
wasn't like Vince doing it the first time, where he

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was just able to go ahead and expand before everybody
else did. It's because he also had to go and
change and evolutionize the model of sports entertainment. It had
to change overnight, and it did. But there is no
rebit out of the hat this time when it comes
to aw because at this point there's too much involvement here.

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It's a corporation now, a full fledged corporation with TKO
embedded with UFC and better with Professional Bull Riders Association
and Betted with on location and Bettle with ing and
better with boxing. This company, they're not gonna have to
deal so much with the competition aspect of it. But

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I mean, I guess with TKO. They have to see
that with W they have their own competition, and so
the corporation, I guess they're going to try to figure
out their own way to go ahead and eliminate it.
But they're not doing themselves from the corporate end, Okay,
are Immanuel march prit Now, they're not doing anything about that.
It's triple agent as people that are miffed because their

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initial attempts to take out AW failed. Why did you
even give them the time of day in the first place,
just because they're on television And that's the biggest problem
for them, is that they're on television in a different
area and cable. But meanwhile, that shouldn't deter with what
W has been doing themselves. You got Netflix, you got ESPN,

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you have Peacock and Universal. Just move along at your
own pace. You don't need to be looking in your
rear view mirror. No one needs to be looking behind you.
But this is because there is some inferiority within the
product and people don't want to go and recognize it.

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Among the toxic, juvenile, delusional fantom. You don't want to
recognize the fact that you're getting mid generic content. The
stars that we all enjoy. That's not the issue I
have with anything with w in the first place. The
stars are there, and I would not have a problem

(06:44):
with whoever they just shows to go ahead and put
on my television screen that I would probably have an
indifference to. Okay with leer of Vicaria, with Tivity Stratton,
with Brawn a breaker with Bronson Reid. I could care
less about how they were being booked and why they
will be put down my throat every week if they

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actually had storylines and they had characters developed. Because no
matter what the rest of the sports entities that TKO
Group Holdings has, they're all determined by sports that have
outcomes that are organic, not predetermined and fabricated finishes. That's

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a difference. I don't care how much of a sport
you want to make this unless you are legitimately running
this like Greco Roman wrestling and you actually have a
winner based on the actual skill set of the competitors
that you actually go to a winner. But that's not
how this is done, and that's the part where it's
still going to be sports entertainment. Whatever pro wrestling is

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out there, there is an aspect of sport to it, absolutely,
but in order for us to care about a predetermined
finish and a fabricated story a fabricated finish, you have
to have to create a story that gives us a
reason to watch, to make people watch on a regular

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basis wrestling just because it's wrestling. And then then there's
the narcissistic nature of the fandom out here that they
don't want to recognize the flaws of the company right
now with just showing wrestling, and I'm gonna show two
examples of that where I'm not gonna do this every
week if I wanted to. We can talk about Clash

(08:31):
in Paris, we can talk about Psycho stew and Rajah Jackson.
I mean, the only thing I'm gonna say about that
is why hasn't Roger Jackson been charged yet? Why isn't
that guy in jail right now facing aggravated assault charges.
I'm sorry that guy doesn't get to go ahead and
take that many shots in the ring and not get
charged for that. That's premeditated, Okay, it's near attempted murder.

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There's no excuse for that. As for Chris Jericho, doesn't
matter if he goes back to the company, back to
in the first place, no, but good for him if
he wants to go back for another page. I mean,
it's not gonna be for pay dight. It's gonna be
to go ahead in Sunset, back in the company that
really made him the big star that he is. Fine,
if that's what he wants to do, that's okay. I'm

(09:17):
gonna enjoy him over there anyway. But even when you
have stars that have been around with storylines and characters forever,
it gets a little bit tedious to hear Becky Lynch
out there trying to go and roll with nothing to
work off of in terms of promos, which is why
she put foot in mouth talk about Ozzy Osbourne and Birmingham,
England and Ozzie's daughter has to go ahead and say

(09:40):
something about it to where the company's embarrassed to buy
it and seth' wrong saying the same stuff over and over, Paul,
he was saying the same stuffs over and over, Like,
if we have storylines to go ahead and build off of,
that's fine, and then we have a storyline to work
off of. But the storylines are based off of the
history and the cricket of the stars they've had in there.

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But we can't just create something out of nothing. We
just can't create make believe. We can't live off of
make believe. That's not allowed. Is it just too cool
for school? Is that we base the fans here that
are watching now, the younger fans that I guess are
getting somewhat of a sway to the bosses right now

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and saying, oh, well, all these switch streamers, all these podcasters,
all these gamers, they all want to have something that's
more based on reality. I mean, god forbid, we were
all growing up as nerds, okay, and a lot of
wrestling fans are I guess there's something wrong with being said.
That's something to say that that's what you are now
you still are the other day, And that's fine. I

(10:45):
still hold with a badge of honor that I was
a nerd growing up in elementary and high school watching wrestling,
because that's how we were looked at. That's okay, And
now it's just the more acceptable and there being nerdy
it's like a little more much more acceptable than ever before,
because you know, it's the smarts, the technology. It kind
of give us a leverage, a little bit of a
bit of a break, and that's Okay, culture times have changed,

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but right now we're also seeing that the toxic, junile,
delusional fanom out there, they're projecting, they're doing stuff that's
very narcissistic. Okay, the fans in their delusion, they're never
gonna go ahead and point the finger and say, you
know what, I'm watching an inferior product, an inferior TV

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product that every week is out there with so many
hours of programming to fill. Okay, just I mean they
got to ask themselves, well, the crowd's enjoying themselves so much,
I have to be enjoying it too. Yeah, they're selling
out every show, and then when you see the crowd
getting into it, you don't realize you're watching a house
show loop. And then it's not cool if you talk

(11:51):
down about the product, if you talk down about what's
going on. Oh okay, But that's another thing that happens
here with the fan base because they don't want to
go ahead and take it out on their own company.
They might try to do it a little bit, but
then of course they can't do it because they don't
want to go, you know, push any buttons where the
company w will kind of look at them in bad

(12:14):
favor and not look at them to use them in
highlight reels for something that comes up. Okay, whatever kind
of things they're gonna benefit from by going and supporting
the company and saying nothing's wrong, everything is great. Instead
they take their frustrations out on AW like a punching bag.

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And it's not that AW has it doesn't have its
own faults. So listen, they have not figured out how
to get to the mainstream audience. I think they've righted
the ship. I think Tony Conn has kind of figured
things out where his booking has gotten better. But as
I said before, I like to have wrestling b with

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if you're gonna give me the fabricated finishes, because that's
what they are. Okay. I watch NFL football, I watch
college football, I watched basketball NBA, and I know there's
going to be a finish based on the performance of
the teams or the individuals participating, and wrestling I know
is predetermined. It's fake, and that's okay, but it's real

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to me, damn it. Just like everybody else, we wanted
to feel real because there's some reality towards the product,
therefore the name of the program. But then there's this projection,
this mental kind of aspect here where like fans are
out here unwilling to accept that while everything on the

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outside is perceived the optics look great, but when you
dig down into the details, things are not so great.
We're just seeing, as they always talk about with wrestling,
when you hear the highs and lows of a wrestling company.
We're now on the crest of the other side of
the success that this company's had. But this is based
on the success they had since Thunderdome, the Bloodline and

(14:08):
everything that came after that. There were a good three
years of enjoyment. The Netflix era comes in and it's
changed and now there are living off of that WHW
with the same thing with the nWo and then into
late ninety seven the starcade into ninety eight into ninety nine,
things were still doing well. There were still selling out shows,

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but the shows were inferior. We are on the other
side of that bell curve right now with the company,
which means they might be possibly reaching another loll if
they do not figure out that you need to build
stars coming up. And for the little complaints there are,
it's because, oh, well, why is Goldber coming back? Why

(14:52):
is brock Lester coming back. Those are the things that
everybody's all talking about. Remember, the basis of the main
event picture this year has been John's see his retirement tour,
and that's what's been carrying the company for the most part. Otherwise,
what else is there? You could try to go ahead
and boost up whatever other stars you have, and you
can say, well, if this somebody else from AW or

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somebody or else or from other company were to come
into Debrie, right. But the thing is too, is that
you're asking yourself, are they really doing a lot of
good for all the other brands that we're known without there?
I ask yourself that question, are they really helping out
at all? I don't know. I'm not sure. When you
look at what they've done so far for TNA or

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Triple A, Okay, yeah, combined six hundred thousand viewers after
all said and done for Triple Mania, that's okay, that's considerate,
but still not in the kind of ready zand before.
As far as I know, TNA has not been able
to generate any ratings according to their list to where
they announce them because they don't. We don't hear anything

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about it. But when I look at the ratings right
now for Raw SmackDown NXT. The start of the year
was a different story. Remember that we go in the
early part of January. Spackdown debuts over on USA now
on Friday nights one point four to one point five
million viewers up to one point seven leading up into

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Elimination Chamber, and then there's a drop off before we
get the WrestleMania time. But right around elimination chamber and
the heel turn, we had the highest numbers possible. So
the last week of February, let me give you to
you like this, while AW was in a big decline

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right under six hundred thousand viewers the week of February
twenty fourth through March first Collision two hundred eight thousand viewers,
I mean not good. Then you had spack Down at
one point seven three to one million viewers, one point
seven million viewers, two point six million viewers for Raw
on Netflix. But you already started seeing where there was

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a lull to the original audience that was five point
nine million viewers initially, and then it drops into the
three million viewers range, and that's where it kind of
sits around for the initial part. And of course they
were hot shop booking RAW during that whole point, especially
during the WrestleMania season. So at that point, two point
six million viewers gets the three point million viewers over
three million viewers leading up the rest of Mendia the

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last few weeks before and then that same week NXT
debut on CW, and they're pulling seven hundred fifty to
eight hundredousand viewers. Right now at that point, that's the
early part of the year. Let's go fast forward now
to current day into August. So RAW they're saying still

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pools about under three million viewers globally. And let me
put this to you as well. The ratings we look
at for RAW on a regular basis, that's based on
seven days live plus some days. And if you look
at wrestle Nomics, they show the breakdown of hours viewed
and you're sending yourself, okay, global views versus hours viewed,
it's roughly double the hours viewed means it's two hours

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or two and a half hours for the program, right,
average runtime between what one hundred and ten to one
hundred and twenty minutes, So roughly you begin just a
little bit less than two hours every week, right and
then when you're looking at this here, you're sitting yourself.

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All right, they're getting two point eight to three million
viewers roughly and maybe up to six million hours viewed,
which means in the seven days that they are having
that show available from live to people watching it on demand,

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that means half that audience is watching basically live. So
take that three million viewers, make it one point five.
And that goes back to the fact that the five
point nine million viewers and the initial run that's also
taken in half because in that initial run, okay, that
initial run raw on that first night, well, they don't

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show me how far back can go in the end
the previous night before, but I would imagine, okay, maybe
they got the ten million viewers, but still it's half
and half. There's like half of the audience roughly is
watching live and the rest of the audience is watching
after the facts. But hey, it counts anyway, right, doesn't matter.

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But then current day, right now, n XT, you don't
have so much of the main roster stars that you're
coming onto the main product here during the summertime. No,
so the ratings had dropped because one point the ratings
went under six hundred thousand, and we talked about that,
and now it's between six seventy seven and fifty th
right now. But the hundred thousand viewers who were getting before,

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they're not hitting that not like before. It's not happening.
And I don't think NXC really benefits in the whole
wrestle Ania thing. It's because the main roster talent was
over on CW and that's why. And then it stopped
a little bit after WrestleMania season. So the ratings have

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not gotten any better. I mean, for what they're doing
right now, it's not much different than once before. So
put it like this. The live audience who were watching
over on raw on USA network was also roughly around
the sub two million viewers range before, so that hasn't changed.
Going to Netflix, the extra subscriber count has not made

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a dentt. And consider the fact that, yeah, they're able
to go ahead and now promote the seven day numbers,
But then when you look at the fact that among
the programming that they're in, they're also not even the
top five programs available on Netflix. The global rink okay,
between fifth and ninth in the last couple of months,

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and in the United States, they're between the third and
the fifth most watched programs. And the kind of money
that Netflix is spending for a live program because as
far as I know, none of their other programs are
running live. They're not. It's those kind of details that

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might get lost in the shuffle a little bit here,
but we need to keep that in mind. Oh, so
the first night on Netflix seventeen point seven million hours viewed,
so that means the first edition night, I would probably
go ahead and say that it's more like if you
said five point nine million viewers, you probably had about

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four million viewers that are actually watching live globally, so
it's the normal crowd. You would get maybe what two
million viewers in the US because that was as high
as it was gonna get on USA network, and I
add an extra two million viewers out there. So the
audience globally has not grown like you would think the

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audience growing. The difference is is that people are able
to go and cash the show on Netflix. Now they
don't have to watch it all the nights. They have
it on these other networks that are out there everywhere
else around the world, as I said, would benefit from it.
But I guarantee you that US audience hasn't gotten any bigger.
It hasn't, so maybe overall you get maybe too Minyon

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viewers to watch. And no matter what, they can still
pull off some great numbers for themselves when it comes
to the gate, the attendance and going to events, they're
still selling out. But the TV numbers, as I said before,
you can't care about those social media numbers. That doesn't
make a difference. You're not making enough money on that.

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You have to give metrics to these broadcast partners for
them to go ahead and be able to generate revenue. Okay,
for Netflix, they get a live show at least the
one thing they're gonna get is they're gonna get advertising
dollars from it along with the subscription dollars they already get.
But the kind of money they're putting into this right now,
are they gonna get their return on investment? Fox didn't?

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Is Netflix gonna say the same thing? And it's not
as if Netflix and for money Night Raw they could
do better and put on a better product that could
bring in more viewers, but they're not. And that's the
point of contention I could see to have on a
regular basis, But where does the rest of the audience

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want to go and do instead. No, we don't want
to go and talk about that. We're gonna go after
AW and so AW has their event this weekend with
a Forbes fit Forbidden Door. Interesting enough, everybody's talking about it,
whether it's negative or positive. But you know what the

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buzz was on Forbidden Door this past weekend. We did
a post show about it and looked like I got
received pretty well. I did get some comments about what
happened from the event. I want to go and take
some of that and bring it into play real quick.
From specifically the social media commentary that I got about

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Forbidden Door and the poster that I put out, I
got comments like the following from Tom Roboti fifty four
to fifty seven rights. It is telling that a company
like WE that has been saying since day one the
AW is in competition to be counter programming. This's biggest
mistake was pretending that no other promotion existed until he

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had no choice. The loss if WCW allowed WWE to
get stale and boring. Having competition breeds greatness, and I
totally agree. Tom My point is that in the whole
spectrum that the whole time I've done this program, some
nine hundred and fifty four episodes, I've always talked to
about the fact that w is at its best when

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they have competition motivating them, pushing them to do better.
The Attitude Era does not become possible if not for
WCW finding something that was working and putting real pressure
on World Wrestling Federation. And they did, and it was

(25:24):
a great thing to have happened to the point we
still talk about it some twenty five years later, because
we do. People still can't stop talking about the Attitude
Are they still know it? And if you can talk
about any risk, any random wrestling fan, besides the fact
they know Hulk Hogan, they know who Stone Cold Steve
Austin is, they know the Rock, the only Undertaker. They
know it because he lived at it in that time

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and they knew how popular it was, to the point
that we had ten million viewers in the United States
alone watching wrestling on a Monday night. Those dates are
long gone and they'll tell me they're over on social
media because they're not next from William Andrew Zero. W

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doesn't care about ab at all. They didn't counter program,
They just worked their schedules and it happened to fall
on the same day. The ego of AW fans is
just as bec as the ego of AW wrestlers. Okay, well,
so that's the other side of the argument that WW
doesn't care about AW at all. Well, that's obviously a
fan of W that is gonna say that. But I've

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made the point that there's been a lot of decisions
have been made where AW already had an existing date
and an existing show, and we then decides to go
and put a show together. Remember Russell Beluza coming up
in September going on because all out Toronto. That's because
there was there's not even was it a planned show.
We were gonna have the show in Perth after Clash

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in Paris, and then Wressell Balooza all of a sudden
a month before gets booked the same night. We're not
even doing an NXT show. Okay. He might be playing
semantics here and saying, well, it's not W just trying
to care about AW because he's trying to say it's
NXT that does okay, maybe a good I can give
you that, but still comes out on that Ben worterhol

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thirty thirteen says, sounds like a whole lot of crying
from you lot to me. And there's more that was
put out there about this, and I can play all
that as well and give it to you like there
are just some people that just have personal animals with
this company, like the So here's more comments from Forbidden

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Door WINTERMW eight ninety eight wrote on my TikTok feed
AW is fine, there always needs to be more promotions. However,
the same logic could be said applied to any of
the criticisms of the company, to which there are many.
AW fans are also have very heavy bias in favor
of the company. They are only to accept some decisions
that Tony makes are rather bad. Some of the ringwork
is bad too, even from the supposed best wrestlers in

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the world. And I don't disagree with that either. Listen,
you can agree to disagree with Tony Conn's booking, and
you should. And you can also see that they are
flawed sometimes in the ring, with some of the works
that they do, especially when you see on colligion, you
can see that happen. Ring General four twenty nine writes,
I don't think it's that they can't accept circumstances. It's
that most of it is from people who don't watch

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the show, like a lot of their circumstances is no storylines,
which hasn't been the case in a very long time.
Also about their style of wrestling, but not everyone is
a risk taker, so that also shows they don't watch
the show. And there's some people who watch it just
to look for flaws to compare with w like a botch,
but every company show has, Every show has botches if

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you look for and not enjoy the match. I critique
aw and their fan base, and they never attack me
because you could tell if somebody actually has opinion or
is just there to basch ortrol. That's true. You can
also see there's a difference out there, and we're going
to point out a couple of those points coming up
in a minute. That says everything about bashing and trolling,

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which is the two of the best past times of
the juvenile delusional fandom out there anyway, And I don't
need to go and play lift service to those people.
That's just noise. I'd rather follow the signal and hear
people that are willing to go and have a debate
about it and talk about it. And be reasonable. Chris
On here, that's all by the name is, He says, quote,

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I can sort of explain that ten years of pushing
Room and Rings is the only world title contender and
twenty before that was SINA. It's repetitive and gets stale.
But because it was the only viable company for so long,
others hate any opposition. I have my hang ups with
w but that's for another discussion. And you know, I
mean there is that part where Vince, you know they

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have their headline stars and who they're going to keep
up at the very top as they always will. That's true.
Another person, Tony V eighty eight y z He writes,
I'd argue that they're the only the number one wresting
promotion to what they offer w because if AW didn't exist,
I wouldn't be watching three or any other wrestling company.
And see, that's what actually happened when I did stop

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watching wrestling between what like two thousand and one and
two thousand and four, because once WCW went out of business,
I stopped watching. I took a break, and I wasn't
until TNA started making themselves get a little bit more important.
They got on the Fox Sports Net and then eventually
Spiked TV that I started paying attention again the wrestling,

(30:29):
but that it was TNA making his return and being
on actual television that got me back in because even
for a little bit, MLW had come back on where
I used to watch ECW on Sunshine Network, but then
it just came and went and I was it. But
that was the difference at that time. More commentary when
it came to Forbidden Door, Buzzy rights, MGF is getting worse.

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He cheated match restarted, and he cheated ten other ways.
It's overkill. We know he's a heel, but he's really
devaluating himself. He hasn't been good since his Puck feud.
What's he done well, Buzzy. I think it's also where
he hasn't been to the very top on things right now,
and I think they're just kind of gone into a
where MGF also had the Happy Good More movie. He

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also had Iron Call he was in, so he had
projects he was a part of that were kind of
taking him away, but he still kept himself somewhat into
the full gamut of things. And I think another title
run comes in for him soon with him and Hangman
at a page. I think it's just a matter of
when they decide to go in and cash that contract then, which,
by the way, a lot of complaints about Tony Kahan
making that announcement in the post media scrum at Forbidden Door,

(31:37):
which leads me into our next argument. There are a
lot of comments being made about the fact that Tony
Khan chose to make an announcement and said this quote.
And by the way, I'm taking this from well, I
don't have the this is just actually what he says
in the post media scrum that he's changing the way

(32:00):
the aw Casino Gaunlet world Title match contract extensions are
being excused, you as to rehandled the whole of the
contract now having to at least give one week's notice
ahead of time, rather than being able to cash in
any time they want. Therefore, they don't want to do
the money in the bank cash in all of a sudden,
or the Feasture Fire contract at TNA, because that's another
version of the same contract. So the Casino Gauntlet world

(32:23):
title contracts are not going to be executed like feast
or fired, and they're not going to be replicated like
they would money the Bank con says he also doesn't
want to utilize the stipulation that is being used in
other places, quote unquote, which is what I'm saying. It's
not just W that does it, it's TNAA does it.
I don't know if they make a big deal about
faster fire anymore, but it was for years, you know,

(32:46):
going on before. Right. He wants to have the contract
decision made to allow for proper promotion to the title
matches ahead of time at the protect the integrity of
the championships themselves. Quote. I think that I want AW
to be different, and I've been listening to the feedback
and the voice of the fans, and this is, you know,
you need to deviate the fan base that wants to

(33:07):
bash control that really don't have Aw's you know, best interests,
because they're at the end of the day, W fans
that wouldn't mind throwing shade at AW when the opportunity
brings it himself. Okay. He goes on to say, we're
having the best here in the history of ADW and
I think a lot of that is we're listening to

(33:27):
the fans that we care about the sport. We want
to the fans to believe in what we're doing. But
I also think is very very important to promote championship matches.
I don't want to have a big ticket championship match
that we're unable to advertise. And I also don't really
want to necessarily utilize the stipulation here that is being
utilized in other places. I'm not trying to duplicate what
other people are doing. I really believe we are our
own promotion. And that's a telling sign right there, because yeah,

(33:49):
he's not trying to replicate anything else. And as far
as I know, I said this during the post show
for Forbidden Door, Tony Kaan's not trying to go ahead
and create conflict. He's not trying to pick a He
just wants to have this promotion run the way he
sees fit. And you can agree to disagree with the
way he does it. You're welcome to that, and you should.

(34:10):
But then the same time, I like the fact now
I'm actually warming myself to the idea that because WWE
is now just putting up their own content out there,
because aw, it doesn't make a difference. Remember, it's a
small subject to fans, a small subsect of fans that

(34:32):
are juvenile, delusial, toxic fans on social media, very vocal,
or they are those that are listening to the masses
of the leaders over here that are fanning the flames
to bash and troll. Okay, we're gonna have those vaices
come up in a moment, but that's a small group,
and AW doesn't really make a difference if they watch

(34:53):
or not. It's like when Howard Stern was on the air,
you know, in Trustal Radio, there would be a portion
of the audience that would be watching because they were
interested in what he had to say, and that was
a part of the audience that didn't like him, but
they were interested in listening to them to what he
had to say. The same thing goes that there will
be fans that will be hate watching AW. And of

(35:14):
course there might be fans that might be watching hate
watching W, but I don't think there's that many. I
don't think there's any people that are really going like that.
And if you are AW fans like that, you know
you're no better because it does go both ways. I'm
not ignorant to that point either. I know we have
some toxic, juvenile, delusional AW fans out there that they

(35:36):
abandoned W because they didn't like the way things were going,
and they're going to down the hill defending AW also
blindly the same way the other fans. It's just a bigger,
louder voice and much more manipulative than narcissistic than the
AW fans are. There's just more of the W side
of that toxic fan than there is AW. I'm pretty

(35:59):
sure about that. I'm almost positive. He closes out and says,
I think it's the best for us. I think it's
the best for our media partners and for theentignty of
the championship. And that's all that he says about that.
Let's step forward now into some of the transcripts I
have here. Because of the judil delusional fandom, I'm not
gonna go ahead play their voices out of respect, but

(36:21):
I will also not take their words out of context either.
I'm gonna take the transcripts that I've generated out of
this thank you AI, and I'm gonna let it go
ahead and say what it says is himself right, because
that's the way I'm gonna take it. So here is
one side of the judisial fandom, and I'm sure if
you hear me, read the words you'll probably know who
I'm talking about, and you might even hear the voice

(36:42):
there and you'll know who it is. That's okay too,
But I'm just gonna go and point out there's a
hypocrisy to it, and remember it's because there is some
kind of ulterior motive as to why some of these
fans are so dead set again saw even though initially

(37:03):
when the company first came out, they were probably being
supportive because they were hoping it was going to be
another version of w is gonna give the kind of
entertainment that the w has given us in the past
because of the stars they had over there, and that
any mark of a wrestling any billionaire wrestling promoter that's

(37:24):
going to go ahead and take over a company, they're
just going to go ahead and just take some of
the aspects of those we superstars and incorporate them into
their product to get the same kind of buzz. But
that's not been the case, and I prefer it that
way because that's how I like my wrestling promotions. I
don't want them to go and fall the same direction

(37:44):
or the same playbook that w does. Right now. I
don't want any promotion right now whatsoever to follow the
current playbook of the W right now, I don't I
want all the other wrestling promotions out there. I'm telling you,
I want MMLW, Major League Wrestling. NWA can't do anything
about TNA because they're in bed with W so there's
no choice for that. But all the other brands aw

(38:09):
ree Hunter, Yeah, do your own thing and do professional
wrestling as it's always meant to be, with storylines that
make us emotionally invested in the predetermined finishes, the fabricated
finishes that we get.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
See.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yes, you're creating things out of thin air, out of
make believe to create a storyline wonderful. That's what we expect. Okay,
So here's what one of the people that had started
talking about this. Okay. He goes off to say, this
is a clip I said from X where he starts
talking here, and I'm gonna take you know, I won't

(38:43):
take some of the X what does he drops in here,
I'm gonna just take some of those out. But here's
what he says. Quote. They want to steal the headlines.
They don't want no one talking about you. I don't
get to f what Tony Kahin's got planned for all Out.
No one's going to be talking about all Out. No
one's going to be talking about AW. They want to
close the door. Everyone talk about AW. He's about They
don't care. They don't care in the way you think

(39:04):
they care. C to the sickos. He calls them right,
calling names. They care about AW at all and the
way of all their competition, W is scared. W is
not scared. They're not afraid of AW. They don't get
an f about AW. They don't care about their attendants.
They don't care about that. They sold out the O
two for fidden Door, which is basically the equivalent of

(39:26):
a W Saudi show for you AW sickos. Nobody gives
an FS boring as this boring can be, is as
irrelevant as anything they've done. It's just a show that exists.
They sold it out, though. Good on you. You go
to a market that's thirsty for US based per wrestling
and you sold out the O two arena. Fantastic. My
favorite band sells off the O two every time they
go there. No big deal whatsoever. We move along, fall

(39:49):
a little bit further here, and so they sell out
eighteen thousand seeds in the two. The following Wednesday, they're
gonna be in front of fifteen hundred people. The arena
and the optics are just fing ridiculous. They want to
steal the headlines. They want to steal the headlines. They
don't care about ratings, demos, attendant story lines which are
non existing over there. They don't care. They know AW

(40:10):
is in the mud, they know AW shot themselves in
the foot, they know AW is on the decline. So
not only do they want to steal the headlines, but
we talked about the whole TEENA deal with the move
in the Wesley Knights. W is operating as a Jada
lover man. They're making this personal. Tony mccaon is manipulately
in the market for what he's paying a par wrestler.
He has power, he's in control. W used to have

(40:30):
that control. They don't anymore. They got to listen, They
got to buy by Tony Kahn's law. Now he's paying
all these wrestlers what he thinks they're worth, and it
actually hurts W. It doesn't make a difference how much
money Tony con throws on anybody. I mean, it's pretty
clear that you know, after everything that happened with Kazucio

(40:52):
Okada with will Os Spray. Right, you look at some
of the stars they brought on over that W thought
that would be able to go and get, and they
had a chance to go and get, but the money
wasn't there. That hasn't stopped de we right. They have
so many other ways to go ahead and bring in talent.
They got the NIL program. They have stars that have

(41:13):
been bringing in other companies, like there are some that
we've seen. The AW has featured a little bit here
and there on various cross promotional events and what's happened.
W's offered and offered because they're able to go and
take some of the stars from other promotions because they
don't have to go and pay the money. They don't
have to command the dollars for some of these folks

(41:36):
that are coming over right now to we they're not
going for a paycheck. They're going because of what the
letters stand for, of what who went through those doors before.
It's the exposure, Okay, the value is not in the contract. Okay.
These are not stars that are past their prime just
trying to get one more payday before they get out

(41:57):
of out of relevancy or they retire. Okay, and you
see some of the stars that are over in AW. Yeah,
there's some older stars that they are gonna be there
for pay day because they've already had their prime. Edgend Christian,
Chris Jericho, Claude Cassigioli, John Moxley. They might be a

(42:19):
little bit past their prime. That's okay. Chris Jericho was
here for a long time. Same thing goes But those
are stars that also came in because AW had to
go and have the star power to be able to
go ahead and be a credible number two competition, and
because they needed for the broadcast partners, they needed to

(42:40):
go and have some familiar faces on the roster until
they could wait for Darby Allen or Orange Cassidy or
mjf or Hangman Adam Page to get themselves to a
certain level that people would be paying attention to them. Right.

(43:03):
He goes on to say that bottom line is because
it is taking W to a point where they have
to match these offers, and to them, that's losing money.
That's not true. Okay, they're not losing money with the contracts. Again,
they don't have a problem getting rid of stars when
they need to. You know, when the erniest calls come in.
They have had not they have not had an issue

(43:24):
of making more than one time more at one time
in one period, of letting go of some NXC talent
of some W talent. And by the way, they don't
get picked up by AW they're going in the indies.
Let's talk about Bishop Dyer and Donovan de Jack and
Andy Hartwell, they all had to go somewhere else. I

(43:47):
mean Die Jack and Bishop Diary. There were our MLW
right now is Tag Team Champions right carry across Carla Bordeaux.
They're already taking bookkeeys right now. They're going to other
companies and they also want the GCW for a bit.
And how many times do we see that as well,
where certain stars they make their way into the GCW
because they have to. So it's not the matter that

(44:11):
means I'm not worried about them. Okay, that's a big corporation,
all right. And the broadcast is to come in. Like
I said, once the money starts coming in on the
u SC deal with Paramount Plus, once that deal starts
kicking in and the new ESPN deal, they're gonna find
a way to go and whittle down even more the
current debt that there was accrued from USC when they

(44:31):
bought it from the Fertida brothers. That's what happens. So
as a company, they're gonna probably be fluid sometime next year.
But the in the next year, we're not even gonna
hear about the three billion dollars in debt that's gonna
be gone because they leveraged themselves and got the most
out of all these intellectual properties of theirs, right, all
the IP they got. They are monetizing to the hilt,

(44:54):
and they are also monetizing their fans in the other part,
which we don't even talk about that as well, about
how much money's being made off these people off this
jubile visual fandom. If they're putting the money for this
to pay for ESPN, to pay for Netflix, that's a
big spend. And then you know, even if Peacock, if
you gonna have to hold on their library for a

(45:15):
little while, and then you have to worry about if
they're going to go to the shows, how much merch
is right now now that they have to go and
get attached to fanatics because they're not even their own
shop anymore. So now there's a cut there's a extra
surcharge on everything else in Finax is also notoriously bad
for you know, charging extra and charging extra fees on
top of everything else for their products. Let's just make

(45:37):
that clear too. They're making a lot of money right now,
and so they don't have to ask for extra money. Listen,
carry across that whole thing right there. Nobody's been talking
about that anymore. Oh two weeks ago, three weeks ago.
Carry Across is not even on the radar right now.

(45:58):
And I don't know if AW is going to pick
them U. I think those kind of days where we
have certain stars that would be commanded by other companies,
I don't think we have that so much right now.
So it's it is imperative on what these two wrestling
companies themselves by way of regal Wator hopefully being a

(46:20):
little bit of a developmental system or a way to
kind of also build up talent for AW are using
as such. And the same thing goes with the program
that right now the w has right now, with all
these other developmental systems they have in place, with the
ID program and the NIL and n XT and also
branching out some of their stars over to Triple A

(46:43):
or to Evolve or wherever else or TNA or Triple
A doesn't matter. They're just finding what they need to
go and do with all that in here, So it's
nothing about the contracts. The value of being in w
That's why Blake Rose there, that's why Ricky Saint's there,
and that's why Ethan Page is there, because in your

(47:06):
career you want to have that stint in WV. There's
still an amazing intrinsic value to that that no contract
can ever make a point, because then no matter what
happens when you're in WV, there's gonna be something to
be said about if you have to get yourself book anywhere,
the fact you came from that company gives you a

(47:26):
little bit more of a command on how much you make.
Maybe you're not gonna make as much as you did
before under contract or especially we're not gonna be in
a promotion with the television product, but at least you're
gonna get something. There's a reason why Matt Cardona has
been out there. Rolling is still pretty good, and he's
done a really good job of saying you know what,
he hasn't been Zach Redder for a long time. Right now,

(47:47):
he's been the Death Batch King, he's been everything else,
and he's worked a lot of different companies. He's doing
just fine. Meanwhile, his wife is working in W right
now and she's doing great too. But it is and
for some of the stars that have also taken a
little bit of a sacrifice by the fact that they're
not getting positioned or not even getting much of that

(48:08):
presence at all like they might have been an aw
I mean, look for the credit Ruster's mirror over there.
He did get some of a push and was being
recognized and used over there in that product. You did
have the House of Black with Alistair Black. And then
he comes back over and the same thing goes over

(48:29):
that a nice Malachi again. And you look at Penta
and Ray Phoenix, you know, David everywhere else. I don't
think the contract even made a difference. But they're not
even working on Triple A right now. They're working in
the main roster of the W right now. And pent
is taking Pens right now, and so it is Ray Phoenix.

(48:51):
But no matter what, I don't think they're gonna ever
second guess their decision to go to W because it
wasn't about the money, unlike my uh compadre here that
is totally into a hate mode. An aw, he'd you know,
just to admit that you are okay. But the thing

(49:11):
is that whole thought about it's all about the contracts,
and Tony KHNK controls the contracts. He can pay for
whatever he wants to anybody else right now. But there
are plenty of wrestlers out there that will not go
to Tony Khank just because he's got extra money. They're
gonna want to go where everybody else has been. All
the major stars that came before them, they all made
their bones and became famous in W. I mean, listen,

(49:34):
no matter what, all the stars that I've enjoyed, you know,
when it comes to WW or NWA or wherever else,
Dusty Roodseman is running there. Rick Flair had to make
us running there twice, Harley Race did. It's just that's
what we all. That's what they all did. And I'm
sure even those of the past. If Luthez had a

(49:55):
w to go to, he probably would have made a
running there too, because that's what you do. How Yes,
and then he goes on to talk about the fact
of how there's the new Wressell Paluza show that's coming
up in Indianapolis, and he goes on to say that
AW this point can do nothing to steal a single

(50:15):
headline away from Debris on that weekend, that All Out
is gonna be out up against Wressell Balooza, right, you
know it'll be on ESPN as well. It doesn't matter
if that you do. It doesn't matter. People are still
gonna talk about AW anyway after the fact. It's all
about what shows are gonna be doing. What's gonna happen

(50:37):
to those shows? At Wressell Palusa, we get another Pippyvilli
we're gonna get and we're gonna get five matches, and
there's no tunnel Chang's, no outcomes, nothing newsworthy. Oh, maybe
a couple of run ins or maybe some people that
are coming in down to the ringside and their surprises. Okay,
Aw's gonn probably give us a different show, and so
different things are gonna be happening on that show. That
might get a little bit more attention, but it's not

(50:59):
because they're gonna be counterprogrammer to saying, well, we got
to make sure we keep an eye on what W's
doing right now, Okay, Chris, remember aw, they're not WW. Okay,
they're not counterprogramming night Trow versus Raw, they're not counterprogramming
Thunder versus back Down. None of that's going on these companies.

(51:21):
Tony Kahn runs on the Knights that w's not trying
to run. He's not trying to step onto wd's territory
on the Knights. They're running. It's the other way around.
That's it. Now, the part about the change of the
contract deal. Okay, So the same person I'm talking about

(51:41):
before has another host of his and they did a
post show on for Bidden Door and they say this. Okay.
His co host goes on and says that the surprise
cash is one of I think and at least for me,
Seth Wrong's cashing against Brock and Roman at WrestleMania is
one of the most all time most memorable rememberable rustle
Menium moments.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Ever.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
No, not every cash goes in that smoothly. But the
point is, the surprise cash is the most fun thing
about that whole contract. And what I just read today
is that they just took the most exciting thing about
the contract out. It's gone. It doesn't mean that it
can't work, but it feels like it's just like the
fifty percent of the fun is gone right away, something
you have to announce ahead of time. There's no surprise

(52:24):
cash anymore, and I think that means we're starting right
now and with mjf's current contract. Now, let me make
this point too, of all the cashs we keep seeing,
how many times have we had somebody that was a
briefcase holder being booked badly? They weren't getting booked or
being positioned or pushed to a point that when they

(52:45):
and eventually got that briefcase that they cashed in, it
was more of the shock that they even got the
belt and that was time for them to win the
belt because what had they been doing. How many times
do we see someone that has a mid card title
or a briefcase and they kept taking losses? You know why, Oh,
they're protected because they have the briefcase. There's plenty of

(53:08):
times we had that. Yeah, Seth Brown's okay, and then
the first time with the edge of Valentine's Day Masacre. Yeah,
those are great moments of the cash ins. Absolutely, Dolf
ziglar over Alberta Rio absolutely not saying it's not but
it shouldn't make a difference. The thing is is that

(53:28):
if there's booking that leads up to the cash in surprise,
that's one thing. But when there's nothing, it's almost like
on purpose they're not even trying to do anything to
lead up to it. Well, that's a different story as well.
The host of is podcast or a video program. He
goes on to say, now, if you want to have
two gatlet matches, that should take place once a year

(53:51):
at your biggest show of the year at all in
for both men and women. The winners of that have
become the number one contender for the championships, Women's Championship
and the mship at the next show or a forbidden
door or all out or whatever is following all in.
So it's there's a clear indication that we know where
the matches are going to be, and then you, the
booker and the creative team can start writing a story

(54:12):
for the now champion and challenge for the next show.
Why do we need one week notice? I don't understand that, okay,
because these two gentlemen want w style booking and they
don't like the fact that somebody else is coming in
and doing it differently. That's it, and that's being asked

(54:36):
of because in some cases the money the bank briefcase,
we're seeing it being cashed in and people are not
necessarily liking it, right, That's what's going on. There are
the fans out there. They have not been satisfied with
the money bank money, the bank cashs so far most recently,

(54:57):
and that's an issue for them. So they're gonna say, well,
we're gonna do it some other way. You know, they're
just not happy with it, okay, And we could go
back and talk about previous money to bank castions and
the stars that were brought in that were not necessarily
too exciting or too eventful, and people were a little
bit upset about it. I got it, but then you

(55:21):
just think, well, I mean we don't get it to
where W does it right either, But AW needs to
do it anyway because that's just what we expect. Right.
It's like going to Burger King or McDonald's. You like
big Max, Well, BurgerKing doesn't like to make Big Max.

(55:43):
They gonna make whoppers. Well, then what you're telling them
is that you're trying to go and insist and bully
Burger King to say, well, no, what damn it. You
need to be able to make Big Max. You need
to be able to go and create big Max because
that's what we all expect. It's not the best sandwich
in the world. It's not too much bread, the sauces
and nes siwly that good. I don't think I've ever
had a Big Mac except like once in my life.

(56:04):
It's not I'm not a fan, but it's like you're
insisting even though it's not gonna make enough, it's not
gonna make that much money and people don't necessarily like it,
you still need to make them Big Max. You still
need to go and do it the way we say
it because they think they know what's your messengers. But
this is the same people that will regularly bash your

(56:24):
company on the regular basis. Remember, these are the same
people that want to start acting like, oh, they're gonna
be constructively criticized in the AW. At the same time,
they're also gonna be backhanded and slapping around and bashing
controlling AW at every given opportunity. You don't want to
listen to those people. You don't need that. Let's go
to the other side of the spectrum. I haven't written

(56:46):
from this particular writer, but I'm not gonna use his
name either, you know, play fairest fair. So he talked
about the fact that Vince mcman and his idiath birthday
party came together. Undertaker, John Cena, km Mishell, McCool, Shee McMahon,
Our Truth, Seamus Serge, Slaughter, Bruce Pritchrier TB were there

(57:07):
to celebrate with him. And also you have active performers, producers,
and some of the stars are still there today. No
W McMahon, no Trible h. At the eightieth birthday. Bruce
Pricher was part of the group that was there with

(57:27):
to see Vince McMahon at his ay person to celebrate
with him. They mentioned how the un Unreal documentary series
that Bruce Pritcher would appear sitting next to Trible H
always in Gorilla as seen and Undertaker were also there
and kind of define against t KO or w's wishes
that they want to see Vince mcmahn never existed and
want to ignore his existence. He says, what are you

(57:53):
currently seeing with W fans? Higher ticket price is more
expensive to the stream W stuff in the future, and
massive price gouging ond W merchandise and oh, bigger events
being sold to the highest bidder wrestling. He will be
in Saudi Ribia one year. Weren't my words, he says, quote,
and what do you see with wrestler's analytics are being
applied and measuring their salary against weekly output. Bronze Truman

(58:13):
found that out twice, as W deemed them overpaid for
his output versus merchandise revenue received our truth. He was
released because he was deemed to be overpaid as a
longtime veteran who wasn't wrestling as frequently as once did,
but he had electric few with John Cena. Was a
release for immediately after it ended, fans ended up war
and W decided to go and overpay the guy and

(58:33):
bring him back. He's trying to express, He says here
that there's some tension outside and inside the w right now.
I wasn't saying this suspicially against trible Ahri has created
a system, as I think the most likely environment that
Triple H is built, and it's healthier than the toxic
one that Evins built. That said, I think the ones
who weren't signed by Triple H as EVP of talent

(58:54):
Religious are not as low to him as you think.
All is against TKO and its corporate overlords. Ringing from
those Endeavor and Nick Kahn, much of the same criticisms
of the BEE going away from certain traditions and squashing
competition is exactly what USC had already performed. The spending
this competition like Bellator. In return, fighters are getting paid
less and things are getting pretty stale. Within that promotion,

(59:17):
you see more of the UFC brand being pushed versus
fighters as t That's where we are headed. Hence why
a conglomerate of wrestlers are being pushed as main events
and the w is no longer being extremely reliant on
one guy to do it at all, like Grumman Range
before twenty twenty four. So part of it is I've
always talked about I wanted a conglomeration of wrestlers being

(59:39):
pushed the main event. But there's no storylines with them
at all. Okay with seth Ron's, with Cody Rhodes, with
CM Punk, with your mcatire, there's not even to go
through in the conversation. Now you look over with Johnny
C and John C and Cody Rhodes and all the others,
it's not And then he brings up the antics up

(01:00:02):
towards AW by the W. That W is actively undercutting
aw's paper view events with alternative programming. We know all
about this. These what the W is doing right now
is clearly anti competitive, and AW could possibly allege this
in court. Oh wait, probably not. And he's trying to

(01:00:24):
say that. You know, w's in the pocket right now
of the current presidential administration. So the politics is a
reason for all this year. The constant donatings are the
same cause and what Endeavor already did for UFC. These
corporate sharks want to eliminate competition because in the end
they can further control of prices and salaries. If AW

(01:00:47):
gets squashed by the Endeavor tk O monster, then that
leads to the following. Without any true competition, prices, W
products will go up further, wrestlers will get paid less,
and t code W fan focus revenues on being competitors out.
So that's where he's all coming from it. All that, okay,
some of that I can take on certain black, But

(01:01:08):
I also think the fact is that if you can,
if you feel like there's a chance to get rid
of your competition, then you try to do it. I
understand that I can understand that mindset of corporate I
really do. But no matter what I mean, it doesn't

(01:01:28):
make them any better because of the fact they could
get rid of their competition, their product isn't getting any better.
Their focus is off the ball. I would prefer that
W not try to counter program with their programming. That's
not that good. I'd rather they do what AW is doing.
Focus on their own farm, okay, focus on their own house,

(01:01:51):
on their own talent, and get back to doing storylines
and doing professional wresting as it was where it is
based on some make believes something that you and make
up that gives us emotional, vested interest to watch the
storylines play out, and then we don't give a shit. Well,
then we'll enjoy the prefabricated, predetermined finish that you decide

(01:02:14):
to give us, whether we like it or not. Is
it that hard to go ahead and talk about that.
I don't think so, I really don't. And you know what,
the journalism folks, the dirt sheets, they're not afraid to
go ahead and take on to this as well. Right,

(01:02:35):
A couple more stories I want to bring up in here,
just to make the point AW is down under just
beginning their residency with the twenty three hundred Arena, the
former East of Arena in Philadelphia, and a story came
out which didn't even give that much play, but only
on local television. The Stage Hands Union was protesting outside

(01:03:00):
of twenty three hundred Arena ahead of the aw residenty
and the venue designs to pay claim. So yes, Dynamite
and collision and also Rigan Wander's staff reported sonor are
going to be held between now on September eleventh at
the twenty three hundred Arena in Philadelphia, nine hundred and
sixteen seats. Okay, it'll have got bad in there, but

(01:03:22):
I mean yeah, I've seen and the d shows over there.
I've seen MLW two shows over there. Yes, no, no
big deal. So the IAZZI the International Alliance of Theatrical
Stage Employees, so they handle all production of entertainment like Broadway,
all these different shows. It's a big union based on Hollywood.
They were protesting outside of twenty three hundred Arena and

(01:03:44):
Local eight of the iat SEAT was protesting. According to
the union, they represent stage hands, technicians, other workers in
the entertainment industry across the US and Canada, and Local
eight is the chapter in the Philadelphia Greater Philadelphia area.
Stage hands in this particular area get paid forty dollars
an hour. Add up health and wealthfare contributions, pension and

(01:04:05):
OD and training every hour they're getting paid fifty four
dollars forty cents. And the union said on the Facebook
page that that wages benefits working conditions maybe below the
prevailing area standard negotiated by the union. But then the

(01:04:25):
CEO of the twenty three hundred Arena reported to Post Wrestling,
who's reporting on this? The only people I have seen
that reported on it so far that they're disputing the claim.
Quote are workers are being paid the fair wage that
they claim is not being paid. And he did not
say whether stay of chand pay at the twenty three
hundred Arena meets the standards sided by IOLs, but added
that he has more details to share. After Wednesday, AW

(01:04:49):
issued a statement of Post Wrestling about their pay practices
and distincing the cells from the dispute. Yeah, they're not
part of this Philadelphia union dispute, but they said they
will continue to pay the prevailing wag just to all
locals use as part of the residency at the venue,
and they maintain a great relationship with IIC Local eight
for previous events held that other venues in Philadelphia. Any
current administrations being held between twenty three hundred Arena and

(01:05:11):
IIC Local eight, you know that's between them and that's
what it is. But hey, it's a story. I can
see where the angle is, but it's trying to go
and create some kind of a negative light towards what's
going on with AW Okay, then there's a part about
certain stars that they really don't even know what's going
on when it comes to the talent and why we

(01:05:33):
might not be seeing them on TV, but that they
might be benefiting from being in the company. Leanna Prazzo,
who I love the Virtuosa. Yeah, she's been over a
Ring of Honor. She's done some work what she was
working with Tya Valkyrie and at Tag Team kind of thing, right,
and she recently spoke with former teen eight announcer and

(01:05:58):
talent so Calval and talked about a couple of things
that she's benefiting from right now as she is working
in aw a tuition reimbursement program because she's recently earned
a Bachelor of Arts degree in history studying at Southern
New Yampshire University. We're remote but still looks good. And

(01:06:20):
she's now halfway through earning her master's degree. So great
for her, congratulations. I love to hear that. When it
came to the tuition reimbursement program, she says, quote, aw
is so great and encouraging us to go back to school.
They have a program where the reimburses for our tuition
up to a certain amount of every year. That's a
really big part of why I was happening to go there.

(01:06:40):
I just got my bachelor's degree in the summer twenty
three and I was like, maybe I want to get
back again a master's. But going somewhere that's going to
be supportive of that was huge for me and I'm
so very grateful that they made it so easily and
so seamless for me to go back to school. I'm
halfway through the master's degree. And then she talked about
being body shamed by those on social media. Quote I

(01:07:00):
had to realize that these people who comment I'm fat,
you're a pig, you're discussing lose weight, Maybe you'll get booked.
All these comments are not my actual supporters. And being
able to shit that in my brain that person is
not paying to come see me watch wrestle. They're not
buying a ticket to Dynamite, They're not buying tickets to
the Infendant show. I'm wrestling against Chicago. This is the people,
and I don't need to focus on those people. I
like to have fun with it now. But it's taken

(01:07:21):
me a lot of therapy to get to that point.
It's taking a lot of conversations with my friends, my husband,
and my family to get to that point to be
as strong. But I think if you're willing to put
that working for yourself, then no one can stop you.
No one on Access keeping me up anymore at night,
no one on Twitter is making me cry anymore at night.
I'm not giving them the power because they're not making
supportive of other aspects. They don't deserve it. Hey man,

(01:07:42):
she's a healthy girl and she's always worked great in
the ring. I mean, I will always defend it. The
fact that she was amazing on the knockouts division, Okay,
Deanna Prosso for my part, she was one of the
best knockouts they ever had in TNA. She's up there
with Gail Kim, Awesome, Kong, Madison rain I mean, she

(01:08:04):
just is. I mean, I enjoyed her work there, and
Jordan Grace I'll put her in that category as well,
of course, but I enjoyed her work in TNA, and yeah,
in aw we haven't seen as much of her, and
I hope we will, you know, maybe when she gets
through her master's degree, and I hope she gets it.
But uh, you know, it's okay, and it doesn't make

(01:08:29):
a difference to you guys. Listen, you're not gonna get
a piece of her. She's married to Steve Macklin. She's
doing okay. She's a gorgeous girl. She seems super nice
and I always love the wrestling, so I'll just say
it like that. You know, it's the pushback. Well, Steve
Macklin right now is international champion. Sure, I forgot. He's

(01:08:50):
still in TNA. He's doing just fine. And that's all.
It's be done with that. Do you want to go
and catch that. There's the Velvet Roast with so cal Val.
That's the program that she was featured on, and there
you go, Hey, it's all good. So I got to
take him minute to go talk about Clash in Paris,
which you know, hey, look we got the show coming

(01:09:11):
up this weekend. I'll talk about it. It's in Nante, France,
coming up at the Paris Lota Fence Arena. And so
far the card has five matches. It's sure being a
little paper here as we expect. John Logan, John Logan,
John sed Versus Logod Paul Sina will win. Probably a

(01:09:33):
good match though, I mean I think Logan Paul will
do pretty good going out there with us. Will have
yourweight Toddle match. Seth Th Wrongs will defend against Samp
Punk jus So at La and Night, No doubt about it.
Seth Wrongs will retain. Does this mean we'll have maybe
where seem Punk jus So. I mean the thing is
seeing Punk obviously we'll have his animosity with Seth Wrongs.
We made that point going back to when Sam Punk

(01:09:55):
returned several years ago and with jay Uso. He's part
of this mix too, but you know, I mean he's
part of the main event picture. But I don't ever
see him getting in the worldweight title again. I don't
see them they're gonna be doing that, Seamus and Russ
because they're both European. They are being booked in a
good old fashioned Donny Wick Mass. It's used to be
a raw match they would have in Europe. But we're

(01:10:17):
gonna get here tonight, or we're gonna get this coming
up this weekend, and Rouman Rings will take on Bronson
Reid in a singles match. Is that where we are
right now? Roman Rains and Bronson Reid. We'll see how
those two work with each other, how it works out.
And Becky Lynch will take on the Ghibella for the
enter Continental Women's Championship. So I'll take Seamous over Russe.

(01:10:43):
I'll take Ruman Rings for Bronson Reid. I mean, I
guess the only thing with Roman Rings is just him
with Paul Haymon and the animals with each other. I
guess if we're gonna have that, they're gonna work off of,
I guess. And we don't know where bron Breaker is
gonna be involved in the match as well. And I
expect Becky Lynch to beat Nicky Bella, no doubt about that.
Aspects that Throng's to win as well. I mean, it's fine,

(01:11:06):
we'll get to watch it. I don't have any big
animosity about it at all, So okay, whatever, and just
keep in mind five hour time difference when it comes
to Paris. So with that seven o'clock start time in Paris,
or it's two o'clock eastern in the US East coast
eleven am west coast, so keep that all of mine

(01:11:27):
there and I will be doing a post show for
Clash in Paris. You can go and catch me and
do an app that's coming up this Sunday. By the way,
it is Sunday night, and we'll keep the other or
Sunday afternoon, so I'll catch it. Let's go how it goes. Anyway,
enjoy Clash in Paris. We'll do a post show Sunday
night with another Rescuers Real podcast because wrestling needs something

(01:12:02):
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